Charlie Alder facts. I loved his story. I loved getting the pieces of the Templar and everything growing my members lmao then I switched to Conor got super sad
@@TehThxsis connor was ok to, but his story was just: where is Charles lee. The only part where connor feeled human was in the liberation missions, templar hunt missions, the homestead missions and the sequence with haytham kenway
Sub-Zero still killed Scorpion though, even if he didn't kill his clan (which was Quan Chi in disguise yes). Sub-Zero and Hanzo (Scorpion) clashed in the Himalayas looking for a scroll that Quan Chi had sent them after...due to the fact Hanzo had no powers when he was human (no fire or anything) he was easily killed by the naturally gifted Sub Zero. When Scorpion returned from the Netherealm he thought Sub-Zero n the Lin Kuei had killed his people so he vowed to kill Sub-Zero and his people....he mortally wounded a close friend of Sub-Zero's called Hydro and then in the first tournament he killed Sub-Zero. The incident with Hydro though has never been made canon in the games...only in the comics...Hydro was a close friend of Sub-Zero (Bi Han) and after Scorpino mortally wounded him he was placed in stasis by the Lin Kuei and later used for the Cyber Initiative...becoming the first ninja of four.
Not trying to get attention. Just stating how it is. Don't get me wrong, i love how stupid it is, and i wouldn't want it any other way. Netherrealm has clearly kinda embraced the stupidity with 9 and x, and that's a reason why those story modes are so great.
what is stupid is games that look so good but you can't play them because they are designed poorly (cough star wars battlefront 2 cough) or (cough SF V cough) oh I have another one...what is stupid is games that are purely online...yeah and they don't even tell you that until AFTER u buy them...like seriously...have u ever looked on Amazon...games like destiny are 100% online yet there is no warnings...or even if there was the very idea is stupid "oh thanks u for the $50 how about another 10 a month just to play it online now...yeah fu£$ off. that is stupid...what u call stupid is just having a laugh at something u just like...kind of pointless.
You know Andrew Ryan from BioShok? The biggest twist to me is that Andrew Ryan isn't the psycho he seems to be. He makes it clear that he is trying to kill you only because you are there to kill him and steal his city which of course is crazy until later you discover that in fact is 100% of the reason you are there. So that delusional bastard who has been trying to kill you the entire game under the paranoid belief that it was just self defence was right all along. Secondly the idea that Ryan just went mad with power is based on the word of the guy who lies to you non stop through the course of the game. 99% of the time Ryan, only took extreme measures because he was at war. However he still did occasionally cross the line. Such as having some woman murdered because she did some sort of anti Ryan song or something at a point quite late in the story where Ryan just didn't have any patients left in him. I suppose the equivalent of that Stephen Fry, bit from V for Vendetta.
Elephants Are Cool bioshock is the man among children. If you look at all these games they are child play, bioshock is so much more. The only complaint I've heard is from idiots who didn't understand it
yeah and he sure didnt want it to turn that way. but he didnt realize the life quality difference between the successful and the workers who build the place. but it always backfires when someone is trying to create an utopia.
The problem is, Ryan turned his back on all the principles Rapture was founded on the moment his power was threatened. Free speech, freedom of expression, free market enterprise, all of that disappeared once he realized he'd been out- maneuvered by Fontaine. He only wanted a capitalist's paradise so long as he was in charge of it. In the end, he was no better than any two-bit banana republic despot.
Whether or not Loghain did the right thing at Ostagar is a debate that will last until the end of time. It's the OTHER stuff he did over the course of the game (taking up with Arl Howe, framing and outlawing the Grey Wardens, poisoning Arl Eamon, selling a bunch of alienage elves into slavery, backing Uldred's revolt at the Circle tower, throwing the entire country into civil war) that cement him as a bad guy.
William Edward absolutely, he's even admitted that he was really trying to stop an imaginary invasion from Orlais, and believed the darkspawn to be a lesser issue, convinced that the Grey Wardens were Orlesian spies attempting the grasp power and destabilize Ferelden. At best he accidentally saved Ferelden from his ridiculously "brave" son-in-law's suicidal "blaze of glory" plan. soo....... nobody wins
You good sir, are right on the money! It didn't help he turned away the Orlesian Grey Wardens, due to being paranoid and having a massive grudge against Orlais and believe the fifth blight wasn't happening
SerjianDragonrain However, if you play "Return to Ostagar" with him in the party, it turns out he was partially correct (Orlesians WERE planing on taking over, just through marriage and not war), he didn't have knowledge of deep grey warden rituals and so Duncan telling him "he felt the Archdemon" felt like a crappy excuse to him. Plus Ostagar was lost anyway. Look at the battle's cut-scene: troops standing OUTSIDE the fortifications? Archers firing only twice before being orders to CHARGE!? A zerg-rush plan for an enemy that has only numbers and no other tactic? Calian's play was a fuck-up start to finish.
khosrow zare This is true, however i have already acknowledged that Cailans plan was at best suicidal. The outlawing of the Grey Wardens however, was the thing that got me. Literally ages past have proven that the Grey Wardens are an absolute necessity when dealing with a blight, yet when it comes down to it, he'd rather give in to his paranoia of the Orlesians, than to admit that it'd be safer to keep them around. (So much for erring on the side of caution.) In the end the man would rather doom the world and destroy all civilization, rather than even think of sacrificing his ideals. Really, would being conquered by the Orlesians really be worse than the end of the world? Selfish
Handsome Jack. Man begins by finding out about the vaults, and when he goes for one, the Dahl corporation attacks and (pun intended) jacks everything up. Jack then sends his Vault Hunters to the moon to stop them before Dahl uses the Hyperion superlaser to destroy the moon. When he succeeds with that, three of his allies betray him, marking his "times betrayed this month" count up to five. When he managed to get to the vault despite this, he learns that Pandora has another vault that can unleash a giant monster to eradicate as he would see fit. As Pandora is mostly bandits and ways to get eaten by monsters, he goes for it, but more than a little insane due to all the things he knows about the vaults that were projected directly into his brain, interrupted by a sucker punch for the ages, and being extremely pissed at the people he trusted who tried to suck him into a back hole.
How to create your stereotypical WatchMojo/WhatCulture Top 10 video: Step 1: Choose a promising and interesting video title. Step 2: After that, create a list with entries that completely miss the promised topic most of the time. Step 3: Profit.
How about Kesler, from Infamous. Sure he pulled some classic bad guy moves. But he did all of it to forge you into the hero he refused to be and stop the monster that he couldn't.
I want Cole back! I didn't like Delsin Rowe all that much. Don't even get me started on how non-sensical Evil Delsin was.......Cole was great in all aspects and I even remember how badass and creepy evil Cole was.
I think Director Augustine from the DUP in Second Son will also turn out to be right. I don't think conduits and regular people can live together properly, because it only takes one bad conduit to go out and destroy something before the mobs and militias break out, other conduits fight those mobs or abuse their powers, people get scared, the military comes in and commits conduit genocide, and things go to heck again. To be honest, if there is ever another infamous game... it means Augustine was right😂 Sure she was a bit harsh, but in the end the idea of a separate sanctuary for conduits which keeps them safe from normals and normals safe from them is probably the best plan. Was Kurden Kay that sanctuary... not really, but we still don't know what Augustine intended to do to change it in the future, since she seemed to have bigger plans than a prison. I felt kind of wrong destroying the DUP in the game. After Augustine explained what her end goal was, he back story, and what she's trying to do, and if gotten her powers, I just wanted to take her up on her offer to join and help out... releasing hundreds of unpredictable conduits and creating anarchy is a terrible plan for keeping people safe and ending the fear of conduits.
Because segregation worked out so well for early America. It's one thing to want to keep people safe, it's quite another to make "Bio-Terrorists" the new "N" word. People can't control the fact that they were a conduit any more that you can control the color of your skin. The DUP had a good idea but Augustine basically turned it into Nazi Germany, with her as Hitler. I'm not just saying that, they share a lot of similarities, to many to be a coincidence. They both took control and lead there people out of squalor and obscurity, and made them into one of the most successful organizations in the world. They both did a lot of good for the people before going nuts on minorities. And they were both members of the race that they shunned. As I stated earlier the DUP had best of intentions, but when dealing with racial segregation it becomes WAY to easy to let things get out of hand. That is the situation that we saw in Infamous Second Son.the world that Augustine created forced people to look at conduits as just there powers. This caused people to loose site of the fact that most of them just want to live a normal life. Almost all of these people didn't even know that they were Conduits until they were taken by the DUP, and probably never would have awakened there powers. Only now they have to live there lives in fear of persecution, abuse, and quite possibly killings, by the "Normal" people. All because of one tinny gene that they had no choice over. I'm sure at least one real life race group can relate to that. "Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it."-George Santayana-
Honestly, whether or not you choose "D-D-D" like the Western pronunciation, or "Day-Day-Day" like the Eastern is completely up to you, I don't care. But who the F****** IS DAYADI!
Handsome Jack from borderlands only became what he was because of the actions of the 'heros' and therefore wanted to kill them, which is fair enough if you ask me.
+YaBoi ToasterVivid actually, if you play BL 2, you learn that he orchestrated BOTH games, by using Angel/the voice in their heads..his daughter that he imprisoned...all so he could remake the world as HE wanted...hell he even (after her usefulness was done) tried to kill his own daughter.
Dutch out of Red dead redemption is a good one sure he was evil but to the end he says when I'm gone they will just find another monster.. then they kill you so he was kinda right in a way
Sub-Zero did not kill Scorpion or his clan, that was Quan Chi, also how was Scorpion right all along? Your list started close to the title and then just fucked it all up by the end.
Terrance S Scorpion believed that it was Bi Han who killed his family, so in his head he was right, Quan Chi just lied to control him. His actions were not correct indeed but they were for him.
Augusto Gama the guy in the video did not specify any of that. in fact he said "scorpion had a change of heart and helped the younger brother of his families murder after he killed him" yet he failed to put any why in any if this. its like he read half the story and thought that was it
The elder Sub Zero, Bi Han/Noob Saibot, killed Scorpion in the events of Mortal Kombat Mythologies, which is still canon even in the new timeline as referenced by Raiden in MK9. That said, within the actual playthrough you can choose to spare Scorpion.
Mordred86 that the main character was being manipulated and actually had no choice in what he was doing. (He wasn’t so right about how to lead an underwater city though)
donkey kong? he was being a asshole to Mario because mario tortured him and his son, pretty dark for hardcore Mario fans edit: and sal marcano from mafia 3, he killed sammy, ellis and danny and made his family the most dangerous in bordeaux because he thought that if everyone feared his family, his son will not get killed
The way the Fireflies acted kind of made them look like the enemy in the end. All of the unwarranted assault on Joel, such as when he tries to resuscitate Ellie, and when Joel wants to see her before the operation, perhaps to say goodbye to her. But of course because of being pushed by that one firefly with a gun pointed at you, doesn't really make you think they are the true saviors.
What the hell are you talking about?? He only wants her to live because A: the inseparable bond they have. B: Joel lost his daughter and Ellie reminds him of her. He wants to protect her. The only person who was as you say, "a pedo in love" was the character known as David, who acts just like one. He starts off as friendly, he then kidnaps her, makes his intentions known by saying to her that she's "special", tries to kill her several times because she refuses and he of course takes a lot of pleasure in kicking her and suffocating her. Have you actually played the game? If you did, you wouldn't be saying such crap.
Hat Man I think the point was that no matter how beautiful their relationship was, Ellie should have died to save mankind, and Joel was being understandingly selfish
inseperable bond?? bro ellie was tired of joel by the end and just wanted to fulfill her purpose. joel was the only one imagining some unbreakable bond and forgetting the whole reason they were together.
Why not Daud from Dishonored? In the DLC you see that he actually saved emily at the last, and in the base game you can see him facing massive regret for killing the Empress.
Loghain was definitely not right. His actions are purely treacherous, motivated by his fear of Orlais reconquering Ferelden, and his misguided notion that the Grey Wardens are not necessary to end the blight. Ironically, if he had succeeded in assassinating Alistair and the Warden, Ferelden would have been destroyed by the Blight, and Orlais would have been forced to intervene in order to save themselves. If anything, Loghain is still fighting the war he and Maric already won, not the war in front of him.
That's what I can't stand about Loghain fanboys. "Hey, he had a couple of good points, so lets just ignore the dozen or so atrocities he commited in his power play for the throne, including the ones that had nothing to do with fighting the Orlecians"
In Return to Ostragar, you get a glimpse of him believing that Cailan was going to turf his daughter for the Orlesian Queen and she would take over Ferelden through marriage. In a later book which is about said Queen, it is outright mentioned that this was her plan. So his paranoia wasn't entirely unjustified - he just incorrectly conflated the Ferelden Grey Wardens (which were, initially, led by Orlesians) as part of that conspiracy even though they were led by Fereldens by the time of the game. I'm not saying that makes him right - a lot of his actions were completely unnecessary and more than a little evil for not really obvious reasons - but his paranoia about Orlais was not entirely unjustified.
Loghain was evil, pure and simple. You tried to make him sound like Logan from Fable 3, which is incredibly wrong. Loghain fucking SMILED as the king and the Grey Wardens were being SLAUGHTERED. All Loghain cared about was being in charge, he never thought the Darkspawn were a real threat (hint hint THEY ARE). All he wanted to do was get rid of all the dissidants that didn't want him in power. Logan in Fable 3 really was being the 'bad guy' because it was the only way to save as many people as possible. He was actually happy when the player kicks him out, because it meant he didn't have to be the one making the tough decisions anymore. At least, I think that's what it was, I haven't played it in years xD Well, you got Logan right, but not Loghain, lol. I felt so bad for Saren, actually, as well.
You lost it at 'being in charge'. There is a far more informed and interesting discussion on Loghain up at the top - yours, by comparison, is nonsensical hate.
no Ethan Cha and augustfire are right he was an asshat who didnt sliek someone and so not only caused a civil war, but nearly the destruction of the place he SAID he was protecting, not to mention the entire world
I always think Pagan as a good guy. The brother and sister who you do missions for, are both actually worse than Pagan. One is war hungry, and the other is a fanatic.
@@SomeGuyWithABlueMask Yeah, Pagan Min has always been my favourite Far Cry "villain" because he isn't that much of a villain. Throughout the game, he doesn't try to harm you, since you're like his step-son. He is also better than any of the Golden Path members.
There's a bit in Inquisition that really explains how that looked from Loghain's perspective. The Warden was late lighting the beacon, the battle was already lost. He withdrew to save his men. Even looking at the timing of it all in the cutscenes, it really really looks like that even if Loghain had charged in as planned, Cailan would have been dead by the time his forces got there. The only thing he would have accomplished was getting himself and his men killed alongside their king.
Sacrifice is a strong word. Loghain gets a bad rap, mostly because circumstances pit the two of you on different sides and your side is incredibly biased (and not altogether intelligent). What people tend to forget is Loghain repeatedly tried to keep the king from participating in the battle, that it was a major source of contention prior to the battle, and that the signal fire to launch the reinforcements came extremely late, when the battle had been all but decided.
Loghain blamed the wardens for killing the king (he even tortured a warden who came to help), he is also best friends with the asshole who kills the human noble's family.
Loghain was a war hero that felt paranoid about letting the french back in the land (forgot the name). so he decided to kill the king and let Ferelden fix the problem.
Actually Logan from Fable 3 wasn't right because there was no need to become evil in order to save everyone. I saved everyone by buying every house, renting them out for the lowest possible rent, waiting for the rent, putting the money in the castle's treasure room after I became king and not rushing through the story. Oh, and I also kept all my promises. There's no real time limit even though they tell you that there is one. I still let him live because he's my brother and he had good intentions for what he did even though he did everything wrong. And he telling me that I'm the better king at the end was the best reward he could give me.
Jack lost all his hero cred when he "Shot unarmed women and children like it was going out of style". Saying that Handsome Jack is a hero is like saying Superman from Injustice was justified for melting a 10 year olds brains for speaking his mind
I am not saying he is a HERO. He was right all along about Pandora, about people there. In my eyes he was right all along, was he a good person? God no, never.
Vault hunters and bandits murdered innocents, and unarmed people left and right as well. As far as I'm concerned either the only guy with a plan to fix pandora is the hero, or no one is
I've actually thought the Templars in general make more sense than the Assassins and would probably side with them in reality. The whole "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted." bit is nonsense. Even in a world not crafted by a deity, there is still such a thing as objective truth. There is rightness and there is wrongness. Templars do what they do to try to save lives, stop people from destroying themselves, and try to give the human race some longevity. The Assassins on the other hand, I'm not sure they even have a plan beyond kill Templars and tear down anything they build.
You can certainly come to conclusions through observation and experimentation however and get a pretty strong inclination towards what is beneficial to society in the long term
You dont have to know everything to know if something is objectively true. E.g I exist, Whether in a simulation, dream world, e.t.c I know for a fact and objectively that I exist because I am thinking right now, "I think therefore I am". For me to be able to have thoughts means I must exist in some way, maybe not how I think i do but i do regardless.
I agree, the Templars have always been the better side to be with, yes they do quite try to rule as if they're a monarchy and should always be highly praised. But, atleast they're achieving order and peace. Whilest it feels like the Assassins are just an annoying group of rebels trying to prevent that all from happening to do it their way and still never achieve anything.
Actually more often than not, it's the Assassins who side with Monarchy. AC sources indicate WWI was for instance fought to destabilize the European imperial system and make way for change in government.
The list is pretty much people who were intentionally presented as morally debateable (Marlene in TLoU)or doing obviously wrong things under delusions (Saren in ME). Yep, it's another WhatCulture video that fails to even remotely match the title. I mean, seriously, how was Saren at all "right all along?" The whole alternate boss fight is about convincing him that he was really WRONG the whole time. Yes, he was "indoctrinated" to some extent, but being tricked isn't the same as being "right."
If we needed a Mass Effect villain on the list the Illusive man would've been the better choice. For all I am concerned, the ending where you do what he wants (controlling the Reapers) is the best ending of them all.
I think their point with Saren was that even when Indoctrinated, he was trying to save lives. basically Saren was the original games version the the Synthesis option in 3. and frankly, when you play the series, he WAS right. there was pretty much no way in hell to beat the Reapers. even the Catalyst couldn't actually do anything to them without Shepard, and only becuase he's like 50% machine through the last 2 games.
I think their point was the one they tried to make in the video. Yours is better, but I still disagree. Bioware writing themselves into a corner with the Reapers doesn't validate Saren's actions, it merely apologizes for them. Honestly, the whole "indoctrination" brainwashing thing really clouds the issue of how much of Saren's behavior was Saren himself and how much was Sovereign. Regardless, whatever free will Saren did have was still spent traveling the galaxy murdering those he'd sworn to protect to get in good with the genocidal conquerors, just because they scared him. And he not only told no one, he took steps to hide the evidence of the Reapers. He was arrogant enough to believe that the Reapers cared enough about what HE did that they would spare some if he played along, but if he didn't they'd kill everyone. That is mind-blowing hubris. And sure enough, Shepard and friends found a way to resolve the Reaper scenario in the end (albeit with a trademark sci fi/ fantasy story-ending deus ex machina). In summary, he was mind-controlled, he betrayed those that put their trust in him, he fought side by side with the enemies of the galaxy, he himself realized he had been a fool and killed himself for it, and the series ending proved that the Reapers could be stopped. Any way you slice it, Saren was wrong.
jroggs85 Its a bad list. Anyone intelligent for example knows Joel is obviously a hero for example (if a dark one like Batman and Mad Max) not a villain at all and Rider White was just a delusional idiot definitely wrong in every way.
Logan from Dragon Age too, that Guy was thinking that the Gray Wardens arent neccessary. He thought all can be resolved with him as a leader and a normal army behind him. Would thay didnt loose the first fight, they could have protected countless people and after the big group of them is defeated the gray wardens could go an hunt the leader of the enemy maybe they would have send someone to bring all groups to the army and send them to the other front basically Logan was an idiot who only thought he is better as all others and it would be a wise decision to kill all gray wardens because he didnt believe the existenz of the archdemon (who can only be slain through a gray warden) if not the player survived all would be dead .... he wasnt right he was an idiot
Magus from Chrono Trigger. You spend most of the game thinking his goal was to summon Lavos only to find out he wanted to do so in order to fight and destroy it.
HJWalker true, Sam could have just helped Rafe get the treasure and get his share. Could have even persuaded Rafe to bring in Nate, sayin that he needed help
Nah, Rafe may have been played by Sam on the grander scheme of things but considering all the shit he did throughout the narrative in U4 he clearly have a superiority complex. Rafe was rather unstable even in his re-introduction at the auction house while he conversed with Sully. He would have hurt everyone just to claim the treasure as his own far as how he was written and Nadine Ross was brilliantly written as his "co-opposite". Rafe went through the extremes he did to get to the treasure compared to Nadine who was willing to admit her "limits". Sam may have been the catalyst in Rafe's madness/ continued obsession on Avery's treasure but as Rafe said; "I'm not going to be able to enjoy... one of these coins... knowing that you and your worthless brother are still sucking air.". All before continuing to throw a rant about how Drake's exploit overshadow his own achievement going as far as shooting a man who remarked Drake as a Legend for the aforementioned exploits. That and how he pretty much looked down on every single character in the Drake family before the sword fight ensued. Sure we can pin the blame at Sam as well but do note on how Rafe treats Nadine throughout the game, it's clear that he sees it as Nadine works for him instead of with him despite his claims as it being the latter at the auction house. Won't be so far fetched to assume the same treatment is why Sam bailed out after bidding his time for 2 years working "with" Rafe before he skedaddled and found his little brother. I.e. Rafe's as much to blame for all the chaos he created as he would have without the Drakes' involvement far as the narrative direction portrayed him. Sam only further established Rafe's status as a(n incredibly well written) villain and he sure as hell ain't no "anti-hero".
"So The Illusive Man was right after all." - Commander Shepard, Mass Effect 3. The Illusive Man wanted to control the reapers to stop the slaughter. He had the right idea, but he, like Saren was indoctrinated.
A good description of Revolver Ocelot: "By the time you've completed MGS4, you'll realize that the Metal Gear series is the story of two competing chessmasters, both of whom are Ocelot."
Every villain can be the hero of their own story from their P.O.V. and those are the best kind imo. An antagonist arguably justified in their actions makes for a deeper, more relatable character that leads us to reflect upon the tale and ourselves. Would we think, say, or do the same in their position, after experiencing their life, struggles, loss? Would we be so different from our enemies if the roles were reversed? This provocative "two sides of the coin" concept benefits quality storytelling. The majority of readers, gamers, and movie-goers are fatigued of stereotypical "good vs evil". It's grown far too predictable and limits creative freedom. Even kids' shows are steadily evolving, regularly treating viewers to more mature themes. Classic good & bad may never die and, to an extent, that's okay. Simplistic marketing is harmless so long as it doesn't set the standard. Nonetheless, as society changes, entertainment must eventually change with it to maintain lasting success. Just remember, it's most often the morally gray that ironically provides the most colorful impacts on our perceptions of the world. That's been true since the conception of ancient constructs like "right" and "wrong" and will continue to be true. *#SubjectivityIsADenseWilderness* 🤔
Thank you for this comment, I stopped when he said Loghain was part of a special group and he allowed himself to lose a 'little' battle in order to win the war...
Whoever this guy is he doesn't know what he's talking about. He said that Sub-Zero killed Scorpions family when Sub-Zero had nothing to do with Scorpions families death. What a moron.
Thats actually true! Bi-Han(The elder sub-zero) was part of the Lin Kuei Clan that had been at war with the Shirai Ryu Clan(Scorpions Clan), Scorpion's family was slaughtered by the Lin Kuei during some sort of invasion which decimated the Shirai Ryu, Sub-Zero(Bi-Han) was part of the Lin Kuei and although he might've not been directly responsible for killing Scorpions family, its surely possible and his anger is definitely justified. The new Sub-Zero Kuai Liang is the younger Sub-Zero who was seeking revenge for his brothers death(Who at this point is now Noob Saibot) had found out that the Lin Kuei's Grandmaster had conceived of a plan to decimate the Shirai-Ryu in exchange for the "Cyber Initiative" from Quan Chi, which basically meant the death of the Shirai-Ryu would equal the "Cybering" of the Lin Kuei in turn putting Quan Chi to blame for the death of Scorpion's family, when Kuai Liang found out about this, he sought out Scorpion and successfully made amends, leading Scorpion on a death march against Quan Chi.
It's the title clickbait, very misleading. "villains who were right all along" does not make sense in over half the examples. Also, what defines being right? lol
Okay, this is interesting. I like that you mentioned Loghain Mac Tir, and I think the issue with him is far more complex than most people think at first glance. If we go to the novels, he witnessed the Orlesians rape his mother, had his own pet mabari forcibly taken to be used to breed and then came back in such poor condidition she died of injuries in his lap the day she was literally dropped out of a wagon. He, a farmer, then led a group of people and befriended the exile king in hiding. His strategies and tactics were largely what won the day in early battles and Maric's lineage and personality won people over. In The Calling, Loghain doesn't join Maric, Duncan or Fiona and the other Wardens to face the Architect, and Maric kind of just ran off and forced Loghain to run the kingdom in his absence. At the end of the book he rides in to save Duncan's, Fiona's and Maric's life and he witnesses Grey Wardens outright assisting the Architect in a plot to infect all the living people with the blight. He wasn't part of the adventure into the Deep Roads so he lacks context but he has personally witnessed Grey Wardens helping darkspawn. Then we get to Ostagar. One thing that I think is near ALWAYS overlooked is one aspect of Loghain's plan that King Cailan flat out ignored. Loghain had been arguing with Cailan for days on where to be in the battle and whether or not to invite the Orlesians into the battle. Loghain outright says on multiple occasions, even at the war council the king invites us the player to, that the front lines was too dangerous for Cailan to be and constantly advised him not to be there. Cailan insisted on being on the front lines despite his best general telling him not to. Another thing about the Battle of Ostagar that is vastly overlooked is a comment Alistair makes. The thing is, the Tower of Ishal was supposed to be an easy job. We sit there, wait for a signal and light the beacon. Only it had been taken because the darkspawn tunneled underneath and took it at the start of the battle. So we have to fight our way up to the top of the tower and fight an ogre at the top. Alistair flat out tells us that we missed the signal. So, when the darkspawn horde marches, Loghain's forces have to make a choice. Either charge in now that the signal is on and support a line that is already breaking, or make a tactical retreat and try to unite the banns and arls to help out, and then head back south to fight the darkspawn again. Considering Loghain saw Grey Wardens help darkspawn in the past, in the novel the calling, has seen Orlais try to retake Ferelden overtly and covertly since driving them out, it's not that far a stretch for him to think that Celene, a woman who's entire reputation is political maneuvering for her own advantage, wouldn't use the blight to try and put forces in to help, and when the crises ends simply not bring them back home. In Return to Ostagar, it is revealed that Cailan was going to put Loghains' daughter aside and marry Celene. If that happened, that Orlesian army on its way to "help" would suddenly be making itself quite cozy in a new home, protecting the royal couple. Granted, Loghain did not know this, and he is VERY heavy handed in how he deals with skeptics at the Landsmeet and ends up fighting a civil war. I'm honestly not going to blame that war on him though. The codexes in Origin actually talks about how the Banns have gone to war with each other over trees and disputes on who own them. Is he a complex and amazing character. Absolutely. Is he right all the time? Of course not. Is he justified in all he does throughout the game......sometimes yes and more often than not no. Overall, great video.
Paxton Fettel, FEAR and Alma for that matter. Both were horribly tortured mantally and physically and you are forced to kill them both even thou you are part of the family, they just wanted revenge. Also Sephiroth from FF7, Big Boss and of course Darth Vadder.
the last of us ending was to point out that if humans were going to act like garbage it would probably be better for them to die out at least that's what I got from it.
Ramza Beoulves fireflies we're not good guys they killed innocent children and none of them knew if they could actually get the cure from Ellie and the humans were acting like garbage, instead of working together and fighting off the disease the government killed innocent people and people formed groups to raid others. I mean there was that gang of guys that wanted to kill a little girl.
ninja of fire agreed. The Fireflies and Marlene were evil from the beginning and Davids Cult and The Hunters as well. I was in Joel and Ellies corner for the entire game, will always be and everybody should be. Joel did the right thing and Marlene and The Fireflies werr doing the wrong and evil thing.
Sure, Joel, Ellie, Bill, Tommy, Sarah, Tess, Sam, Henry and Maria are good people but not Anti Military Terrorists who sacrifice the lives of innocent people who have no chance of providing the cure and are willing to (like deciding to sacrifice Ellie which I am convinced anyway would never have led to a cure, just be another needless sacrifice). There have to be other ways to get a cure (and better ways because The Fireflies failed miserably). If they could find/have found the cure it means the only cure to the infections obviously needless sacrificial death and the extinction of humanity. I do not exactly concider needless death and human extinction a cure though except in the bleakest sence. Thus far I would say no cure was ever possible and none will be possible in the world of TLOU. It will be interesting to see where The Last Of Us Part II takes things. Based on The games trailer Ellie resolves to kill all the Fireflies realizing they were just actively killing people while falsely believing they could find a cure. They were delusional and irrational and insane (as they were doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result) terrorists as the audiofiles Joel finds proove. The Fireflies were Fanatical Zealots who could not ever save humanity, they only thought they could overlooking the fact their lack of progress prooved they could not.
Amazing how you completely missed revolver ocelots actual story. Looks like you quit playing after the second game. Or TLOU, where if you really played the game you would know there is an audio clip where a firefly doctor says their past experiments on survivors have given zero results and there was no chance that they would find one, but they needed to keep the group hoping, so they would continue killing survivors.
In my opinion, the fireflies were kinda grasping at straws when they wanted to kill Ellie so quickly without conducting other tests, especially since if I recall correctly, they had already done the same thing to other people that had her immunity without yielding that miracle cure they preached about.
Billy Grey from The Lost and Damned GTA IV DLC. Billy was the old leader of the Lost MC who wanted the Lost to continue their war against the Angels of Death, a rival motorcycle club. His logic was "the harder we hit them, the more we brothers pull closer together." He was a bit of an out of control maniac, and ultimately this is why the more calculated Johnny Klebitz killed him and took over the game. All fine and dandy until GTAV set 5 years or so later and it turns out Johnny Klebitz became a big meth head who is easily stomped to death by Trevor and the rest of the Lost including Terry and Clay are easily wiped out. Maybe Billy Grey was right, and the Lost needed to be ruthless against enemies. Maybe Johnny wasn't the best guy to lead the Lost as he couldn't even control himself. Just a thought.
Alinea Euros think about it. Billy Grey always called Johnny Klebitz soft, and how did Johnny die? Johnny died going in for a hug, with a guy (Trevor) who literally just moments before was fucking his girl. Now not saying Trevor couldn't have killed Billy too, but I highly doubt Billy would've went out like that, and he certainly wouldn't have went for a hug of all things. Again just my two cents. I loved Johnny Klebitz, but in the end, things certainly are questionable.
Many of these bad guys are good only from a utilitarian perspective, and personally I don't think they were "right all along". And besides antagonists who believe the ends justify the means, 10 and Seren were corrupted by villains, and as such they weren't "right", they still needed to be stopped one way or another. Rider was much the same. And just because you seem to agree with Darth Traya's philosophy doesn't make her good, nor does seeing value in the light and dark side automatically make her good. In the end, her goals and methods are very questionable.
Love you guys for mentioning Loghain. Not approving of his methods but he's definitely one of the best-written characters in Dragon Age, especially if you include The Stolen Throne.
Hugh Darrow from Deus Ex Human Revolution is the best representation of "Choosing the lesser evil". At first, when Adam was wrecked. At the beginning i wanted to tear the main villain apart, but when i met him and understood his motives, i agreed with him.
Its a bit convoluted. Before Quan Chi was introduced, it was believed Sub Zero had done this, so Scorpion killed him in MK1 (he then went on to become Noob Saibot). When the younger brother took the name of Sub Zero in memory of his brother, hearing that "Sub Zero" was alive, Scorpion pursued revenge again, only to find it wasn't the Sub Zero he thought it was. Then, it turns out Quan Chi manipulated all of this then used Scorpion from the beginning as an enforcer. Both Scorpion and Sub Zero were pawns in Quan Chi's game to free Shinnok.
No one talks about how loghain was a man who was haunted by the horrors of his past his life experience left him very mistrusting of Orlesians, he also found out that his son in law the son of his best friend was going to leave his daughter for the queen of orlais, not to mention that Cailan was more blinded by heroic tales of gallantry and was wholly unprepared for the reality of war, and because of the Grey wardens policy of absolute secrecy they could not tell Cailan and Loghain how exactly they knew that this was in fact a true blight and not just a large raid didn’t help either
He was taking about Assassin's creed 3 but he showed no footage of the game...but footage from rouge and AC 1......not even connor.......thats not like it
Fahad Parvez thank you. I was wondering where the hell that footage came from. I knew about AC1, but never played Rogue, so I was wondering where that footage came from. Ok on a side note, I do love the story in AC. In all the games I've played.
AC Rogue showed the ultimate achievement of Heathem Kenway ,i.e, getting the apple. Templar are the evils, if you look into their ultimate aim, that is to control the mind of Humans.
Dedede tends to be out for himself, so even though he crosses hammers with Kirby a lot, he has no problem helping the little puffball when something dangerous pops up.
If we had played the entire game as Haytham Kenway in AC3 I would have probably enjoyed it and in fact actually finished the game because screw his shirt son who is a terrible assassin. Guess I'll just enjoy playing AC:Rogue to get my playing as a Templar fix.
Hajduk I don't know if it was them trying to make another Ezio with zero charm but he's got that emo streak that I just didn't enjoy. Haythem was just a far more interesting character.
LISTEN SUB-ZERO DIDNT KILL ANYONE IN SCORPIONS CLAN QUAN-CHI DID HE USED HIS BODY CHANGE POWER THINGY TO TURN INTO SUB-ZERO AND KILLED HIS PARENTS AND EVEEYONE IN HIS CLAN IT WASNT SUB-ZERO YOU WOULD KNOW THIS IF YOU BEAT EVERY MORTAL KOMBAT STORY MODE or just mortal kombat 9
Kain, from Legacy of Kain (okay, granted, half of it at any rate), he was given a choice at the end of the first game to sacrifice himself to save the world, or refuse and doom Nosgoth! In the canon, he refuses, not happy with the choices he's been left with and heads out looking for a third option, involving his birthright and his real destiny, both of which had been denied him!
Tanner Crowson well yeh they do bad things but they will save thousands of people and saving the future generations by killing a few hundred people. The person we play in fallout is stoping the world from going forward
sina faeahbakhsh A few hundred? They plan on killing everyone who ISN'T a Vault Dweller. Everyone has been mutated to some degree from constant radiation exposure. The ending of Fallout 3 can show that, depending on your choices.
Um, excuse me. Where the hell is Scolar Visari? He is literally one of the most passionately defended anti-villains in video games. He's made out to be the bad guy. But in reality, he was just uniting and liberating his people from the imperialism of the ISA. He fought hard to lead Helghan into protecting the society they suffered greatly to create. And the "good guys" were a bunch of jingoistic barbarians in uniform who devastated and murdered billions of innocents on Helghan just because they militantly and rightfully resisted their enslavement.
Hugh Darrow from Deus Ex Human Revolution is the best representation of "Choosing the lesser evil". At first, when Adam was wrecked, i wanted to tear the main villain apart, but when i met him and understood his motives, i agreed with him.
Darth Treya: We're never suppose to think Kreia/Darth Treya is pure evil. That's the genius of her character. Also, she wasn't exiled because her apprentice followed Revan to war; her apprentice was Revan. She did later take on as an informal apprentice someone who did follow Revan to war. Kreia, I grant you was probably right all along; however she wasn't the villain all along (she admits she was Darth Treya very early in the game, and does so as a lesson), so she doesn't really count. Seren: He wasn't the villain we thought he was; he was doing what he thought was right, to a point. But was he right all along? Obviously not. Teyrn Loghain: Again, doing what he thought was right. Was he right all along? Used past enmities cloud his judgement so he betrays his King, and puts in peril not only his country, but the entire world? No, he was not right all along. I'm not sure what this 'special group' that was suppose to protect the land of Ferelden is. I assume you mean the Grey Wardens? They were not there to protect Ferelden, and Loghain was not one of them (in fact he betrayed them too).
I'm just commenting everywhere lol. One baddie who had a generally good idea is Van from Tales Of The Abyss. Van wanted to free the world from what was known as "The Score", which was what people used to look into the future. It was bad for some people, as some used it to find out what to do for dinner that night. He had planned to remake everyone in the world into "Replicas", which is essentially new humans. It's best to read up on him and his goal, while also looking up the game. It's a fantastic game, and is my number 1 of all time.
I don't think you understood the ending. the fireflies had failed every attempt at making a cure with kids who were immune just like Ellie. Joel knew this and decided that killing Ellie for something that had a 0% success rate, and that even the fireflies where only 1% sure would work, was wrong. also eve if they got a cure made, how would they test it? willingly infect people? the fireflies had good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
How about every cop in GTA
Jacob Johnson so true
Chad Vermillion Tenpenny was the rest were losers who yelled "did your daddy hug you"
Nah, they always make jokes about how police are corrupt in GTA. They're also dicks that come after you for looking at them the wrong way. That's a no
Never payed attention to GTA story, I see.
In GTA you play as criminal. I'm pretty sure that makes you the bad guy.
Haytham kenway is one of the best characters in ac. Should've had his own game.
Charlie Alder facts. I loved his story. I loved getting the pieces of the Templar and everything growing my members lmao then I switched to Conor got super sad
I agree. He is mainly the reason why I side with the Templars when talking about Assassin’s Creed lore.
@@TehThxsis connor was ok to, but his story was just: where is Charles lee. The only part where connor feeled human was in the liberation missions, templar hunt missions, the homestead missions and the sequence with haytham kenway
Agreed. As I've became older, I soon realized that some villains do make justifiable points in their actions. I respect Darth Treya viewpoints.
But Sub-Zero is innocent. Quan Chi took his form so that he could manipulate Scorpion
Sub-Zero still killed Scorpion though, even if he didn't kill his clan (which was Quan Chi in disguise yes). Sub-Zero and Hanzo (Scorpion) clashed in the Himalayas looking for a scroll that Quan Chi had sent them after...due to the fact Hanzo had no powers when he was human (no fire or anything) he was easily killed by the naturally gifted Sub Zero. When Scorpion returned from the Netherealm he thought Sub-Zero n the Lin Kuei had killed his people so he vowed to kill Sub-Zero and his people....he mortally wounded a close friend of Sub-Zero's called Hydro and then in the first tournament he killed Sub-Zero. The incident with Hydro though has never been made canon in the games...only in the comics...Hydro was a close friend of Sub-Zero (Bi Han) and after Scorpino mortally wounded him he was placed in stasis by the Lin Kuei and later used for the Cyber Initiative...becoming the first ninja of four.
God, MK is so stupid
way to try and get attention, applause for effort
Not trying to get attention. Just stating how it is. Don't get me wrong, i love how stupid it is, and i wouldn't want it any other way. Netherrealm has clearly kinda embraced the stupidity with 9 and x, and that's a reason why those story modes are so great.
what is stupid is games that look so good but you can't play them because they are designed poorly (cough star wars battlefront 2 cough) or (cough SF V cough) oh I have another one...what is stupid is games that are purely online...yeah and they don't even tell you that until AFTER u buy them...like seriously...have u ever looked on Amazon...games like destiny are 100% online yet there is no warnings...or even if there was the very idea is stupid "oh thanks u for the $50 how about another 10 a month just to play it online now...yeah fu£$ off. that is stupid...what u call stupid is just having a laugh at something u just like...kind of pointless.
"Every videogame needs a good villain otherwise, what the hell are you doing?"
"Playing Minecraft."
Stamatis Zygas lel
Stamatis Zygas dude, what about Herobrine?
Gotta take out those bla... I mean Endermen.
Stamatis Zygas enderdragon lol
Stamatis Zygas Jesus, you 12 year olds still playing that game?
How to piss off AC fans:
1. Diss Ezio
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You gotta talk bad about Desmond to get AC fans triggered.
2. Defend a newer entry in the series, other than Black Flag
who's ezio
Ezio Audittore was AC's best character, nobody comes close to him.
Ezio was the main character of AC2, Brotherhood, Revelations, and some other smaller things
The ender dragon was right all along
Brandon C LMAO
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when he said *opens his mouth closes his mouth opens his mouth closes his mouth* i felt that
What the fuck is a "King Deity"? It's King DE-DE-DE
There's a lot of mispronunciations in these videos but this one triggered the fuck out of me.
Spudawg thats...really pathetic
Matthew .Williams I was going to mention this too. They even had a Kirby show where they said it Dee Dee Dee every time
You know Andrew Ryan from BioShok? The biggest twist to me is that Andrew Ryan isn't the psycho he seems to be. He makes it clear that he is trying to kill you only because you are there to kill him and steal his city which of course is crazy until later you discover that in fact is 100% of the reason you are there. So that delusional bastard who has been trying to kill you the entire game under the paranoid belief that it was just self defence was right all along. Secondly the idea that Ryan just went mad with power is based on the word of the guy who lies to you non stop through the course of the game. 99% of the time Ryan, only took extreme measures because he was at war. However he still did occasionally cross the line. Such as having some woman murdered because she did some sort of anti Ryan song or something at a point quite late in the story where Ryan just didn't have any patients left in him. I suppose the equivalent of that Stephen Fry, bit from V for Vendetta.
Elephants Are Cool bioshock is the man among children. If you look at all these games they are child play, bioshock is so much more. The only complaint I've heard is from idiots who didn't understand it
yeah and he sure didnt want it to turn that way. but he didnt realize the life quality difference between the successful and the workers who build the place. but it always backfires when someone is trying to create an utopia.
Ryan started out with good intentions... However his ego and pride consumed him completely... he wasnt right.. he was blind
The problem is, Ryan turned his back on all the principles Rapture was founded on the moment his power was threatened. Free speech, freedom of expression, free market enterprise, all of that disappeared once he realized he'd been out- maneuvered by Fontaine. He only wanted a capitalist's paradise so long as he was in charge of it. In the end, he was no better than any two-bit banana republic despot.
King De-De-De somehow Day-uh-de
Just one of many mispronunciations. WhatCulture doesn't like to do retakes.
This triggered me every time he said it
Whether or not Loghain did the right thing at Ostagar is a debate that will last until the end of time. It's the OTHER stuff he did over the course of the game (taking up with Arl Howe, framing and outlawing the Grey Wardens, poisoning Arl Eamon, selling a bunch of alienage elves into slavery, backing Uldred's revolt at the Circle tower, throwing the entire country into civil war) that cement him as a bad guy.
William Edward absolutely, he's even admitted that he was really trying to stop an imaginary invasion from Orlais, and believed the darkspawn to be a lesser issue, convinced that the Grey Wardens were Orlesian spies attempting the grasp power and destabilize Ferelden. At best he accidentally saved Ferelden from his ridiculously "brave" son-in-law's suicidal "blaze of glory" plan.
soo....... nobody wins
You good sir, are right on the money! It didn't help he turned away the Orlesian Grey Wardens, due to being paranoid and having a massive grudge against Orlais and believe the fifth blight wasn't happening
Yup, pretty much everything he did made the Darkspawn invasion worse and led it right into the heart of the capital.
SerjianDragonrain However, if you play "Return to Ostagar" with him in the party, it turns out he was partially correct (Orlesians WERE planing on taking over, just through marriage and not war), he didn't have knowledge of deep grey warden rituals and so Duncan telling him "he felt the Archdemon" felt like a crappy excuse to him.
Plus Ostagar was lost anyway. Look at the battle's cut-scene: troops standing OUTSIDE the fortifications? Archers firing only twice before being orders to CHARGE!? A zerg-rush plan for an enemy that has only numbers and no other tactic? Calian's play was a fuck-up start to finish.
khosrow zare This is true, however i have already acknowledged that Cailans plan was at best suicidal. The outlawing of the Grey Wardens however, was the thing that got me. Literally ages past have proven that the Grey Wardens are an absolute necessity when dealing with a blight, yet when it comes down to it, he'd rather give in to his paranoia of the Orlesians, than to admit that it'd be safer to keep them around. (So much for erring on the side of caution.) In the end the man would rather doom the world and destroy all civilization, rather than even think of sacrificing his ideals. Really, would being conquered by the Orlesians really be worse than the end of the world? Selfish
What about Hitler in the Sniper Elite series?
Zyklon Ben Garrison that username makes the comment even funnier
Wow didn't even notice the subtle Nazi reference, good eye.
I know right , the fucking call of duty camping fuck.
Zyklon Ben Garrison dunno... he's ok i guess lol
Handsome Jack. Man begins by finding out about the vaults, and when he goes for one, the Dahl corporation attacks and (pun intended) jacks everything up. Jack then sends his Vault Hunters to the moon to stop them before Dahl uses the Hyperion superlaser to destroy the moon. When he succeeds with that, three of his allies betray him, marking his "times betrayed this month" count up to five. When he managed to get to the vault despite this, he learns that Pandora has another vault that can unleash a giant monster to eradicate as he would see fit. As Pandora is mostly bandits and ways to get eaten by monsters, he goes for it, but more than a little insane due to all the things he knows about the vaults that were projected directly into his brain, interrupted by a sucker punch for the ages, and being extremely pissed at the people he trusted who tried to suck him into a back hole.
How to create your stereotypical WatchMojo/WhatCulture Top 10 video:
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stupid
How about Kesler, from Infamous. Sure he pulled some classic bad guy moves. But he did all of it to forge you into the hero he refused to be and stop the monster that he couldn't.
I want Cole back! I didn't like Delsin Rowe all that much. Don't even get me started on how non-sensical Evil Delsin was.......Cole was great in all aspects and I even remember how badass and creepy evil Cole was.
Savage_Wisdom Oh yeah...ol' kill his wife's past self Kessler.
Andrew1990R and the reapers were much cooler than the DUP
I think Director Augustine from the DUP in Second Son will also turn out to be right. I don't think conduits and regular people can live together properly, because it only takes one bad conduit to go out and destroy something before the mobs and militias break out, other conduits fight those mobs or abuse their powers, people get scared, the military comes in and commits conduit genocide, and things go to heck again. To be honest, if there is ever another infamous game... it means Augustine was right😂
Sure she was a bit harsh, but in the end the idea of a separate sanctuary for conduits which keeps them safe from normals and normals safe from them is probably the best plan. Was Kurden Kay that sanctuary... not really, but we still don't know what Augustine intended to do to change it in the future, since she seemed to have bigger plans than a prison. I felt kind of wrong destroying the DUP in the game. After Augustine explained what her end goal was, he back story, and what she's trying to do, and if gotten her powers, I just wanted to take her up on her offer to join and help out... releasing hundreds of unpredictable conduits and creating anarchy is a terrible plan for keeping people safe and ending the fear of conduits.
Because segregation worked out so well for early America.
It's one thing to want to keep people safe, it's quite another to make "Bio-Terrorists" the new "N" word. People can't control the fact that they were a conduit any more that you can control the color of your skin. The DUP had a good idea but Augustine basically turned it into Nazi Germany, with her as Hitler. I'm not just saying that, they share a lot of similarities, to many to be a coincidence. They both took control and lead there people out of squalor and obscurity, and made them into one of the most successful organizations in the world. They both did a lot of good for the people before going nuts on minorities. And they were both members of the race that they shunned.
As I stated earlier the DUP had best of intentions, but when dealing with racial segregation it becomes WAY to easy to let things get out of hand. That is the situation that we saw in Infamous Second Son.the world that Augustine created forced people to look at conduits as just there powers. This caused people to loose site of the fact that most of them just want to live a normal life. Almost all of these people didn't even know that they were Conduits until they were taken by the DUP, and probably never would have awakened there powers. Only now they have to live there lives in fear of persecution, abuse, and quite possibly killings, by the "Normal" people. All because of one tinny gene that they had no choice over. I'm sure at least one real life race group can relate to that.
"Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it."-George Santayana-
The Heretic from Halo 2 tho
Djthegamer988 he was a good guy he was just trying to tell the other species the prophets were lying but instead you have kill him.
It was his own fault he died, Arbiter lowers his gun and is willing to listen but the Heretic shoots at him
Strawberrywafers exactly, the heretic fucked up
too bad arbiter killed him before he could realize the prophets true intention of halo's use,
Wait a minute are you guys going against the Great Journey???
I liked haytham more than Connor just saying
He was a lot cooler and charismatic. He was like an Assassin Sherlock Holmes, with Charles Lee as his Watson.
that whole game should have been from the templar perspective honestly
Andrew1990R that's what rogue is for, and we all know how that turned out
It turned out quite well actually.
Andrew1990R that's amazing
uh who the fuck is king deyadi. I think you mean d-d-d
Benito Mussolini I have no idea who the fuck he is either way
Honestly, whether or not you choose "D-D-D" like the Western pronunciation, or "Day-Day-Day" like the Eastern is completely up to you, I don't care.
But who the F****** IS DAYADI!
He's some kind of penguin god. A Deyadi deity, if you will.
It's spelled, "Dedede."
Almighty Yin-Yang I know I was typing how they sound not how you actually spelling
Handsome Jack from borderlands only became what he was because of the actions of the 'heros' and therefore wanted to kill them, which is fair enough if you ask me.
+YaBoi ToasterVivid actually, if you play BL 2, you learn that he orchestrated BOTH games, by using Angel/the voice in their heads..his daughter that he imprisoned...all so he could remake the world as HE wanted...hell he even (after her usefulness was done) tried to kill his own daughter.
Enzo Matrix But like YaBoi said he did it because the so called “Heroes” betrayed him in the end of BL The Pre Sequel.
Chris Madrid No. Jack was unstable even before the events of Borderlands 1.
You do realize angel was the voice in their heads in BL 1 right? And she was TOLD to lead them on by dear old dad, Jack
Enzo Matrix Of course I know that.
Pagan Min?
Yh defiantly should have been on this list
i haven't remember much playing of farcry 4 but what was his intentions again? (that he was right)
ThisGuyHasNoNuts He didn't do anything wrong to the main character and it is more of the player ruining everything 😂
dragonborn2709 Yh after you complete the game its either a drug haven or home to religious zealots
Was thinking the same thing
I thought "King Dedede" was pronounced "King Dee-dee-dee", not "Day-yah-dee".
Stone Bull 0728 it is
It's "King Dee-dee-dee" in West, "Day-day-day" in Japan. They literally don't say King in JP.
ForrestAnthony1 yes, however this "pronouncer" says neither. He says something like Day-yuh-dee or like deity, which is just wrong.
He read it as Deaede Instead of Dedede
The scorpion one is completely wrong he's literally the most popular character in the game someone else should've been in that spot
And when does being popular means that you are not a villain?
You know, if you are not sure on how to pronounce "Dedede" just look up the cartoon or look at Smash Brothers. Saves a lot of nerds being mad.
Fugg Uuugh or just actually read his name. it's fairly straightforward
Dee-Dee-Dee is how i always pronounced it.
The usual What Culture mispronounced word/name. As seen in every video.
It's intentional
pious83 bullshit know need to make up excuses
I think it's mainly their accents. Maybe.
Dutch out of Red dead redemption is a good one sure he was evil but to the end he says when I'm gone they will just find another monster.. then they kill you so he was kinda right in a way
Olli K I agree yo Dutch I love and I also love Micah
Did you play Rdr2 all these years later? Do you feel the same, I changed my mind I felt like you lol.
The first Infamous had a sort of good guy as a villain. I feel like the ending of that game should be talked about more.
It should also the villain of the second one but yeah
I love how the Last of Us ended with nothing more than a simple "Okay" It felt fitting considering the state of the world
chainer8686 Ellie lived, so the ending was shit
BZgA Ellie's death would have been too much for Joel. He would probably turn insane.
BZgA what you got against Ellie
Sub-Zero did not kill Scorpion or his clan, that was Quan Chi, also how was Scorpion right all along? Your list started close to the title and then just fucked it all up by the end.
Terrance S Scorpion believed that it was Bi Han who killed his family, so in his head he was right, Quan Chi just lied to control him.
His actions were not correct indeed but they were for him.
Augusto Gama the guy in the video did not specify any of that. in fact he said "scorpion had a change of heart and helped the younger brother of his families murder after he killed him" yet he failed to put any why in any if this. its like he read half the story and thought that was it
Sub zero did kill scorpion, just not his family.
The elder Sub Zero, Bi Han/Noob Saibot, killed Scorpion in the events of Mortal Kombat Mythologies, which is still canon even in the new timeline as referenced by Raiden in MK9.
That said, within the actual playthrough you can choose to spare Scorpion.
Spare me!!
Where is Andrew Ryan from Bioshock?
I was gonna say the same..or even Atlas/ Fontaine...both of them were right
That's a good one!
remind me what was andrew ryan right about? can't remember but society seemed to go to ***t under his rule
Mordred86 that the main character was being manipulated and actually had no choice in what he was doing. (He wasn’t so right about how to lead an underwater city though)
IDyce88 Fontaine was right?
It's confirmed multiple times in game that the Fireflies have tried and failed multiple times to do their brain hackery.
MechaMercDraws indeed.
also wasn't there a note that said they were planning on killing Joel when they hired him?
donkey kong? he was being a asshole to Mario because mario tortured him and his son, pretty dark for hardcore Mario fans
edit: and sal marcano from mafia 3, he killed sammy, ellis and danny and made his family the most dangerous in bordeaux because he thought that if everyone feared his family, his son will not get killed
WHAT? Where do they say this?
+TheBlues32 Wow, that's dark.
GhidoFan023 I think there's a Game and Watch type game where you play as Donkey Kong, forced to perform by Mario.
BO27 Mario is evil. From being an ass to hia brother to murdering innocent people.
N0VA racist mario
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The way the Fireflies acted kind of made them look like the enemy in the end. All of the unwarranted assault on Joel, such as when he tries to resuscitate Ellie, and when Joel wants to see her before the operation, perhaps to say goodbye to her. But of course because of being pushed by that one firefly with a gun pointed at you, doesn't really make you think they are the true saviors.
Hat Man, true.
What the hell are you talking about?? He only wants her to live because A: the inseparable bond they have. B: Joel lost his daughter and Ellie reminds him of her. He wants to protect her. The only person who was as you say, "a pedo in love" was the character known as David, who acts just like one. He starts off as friendly, he then kidnaps her, makes his intentions known by saying to her that she's "special", tries to kill her several times because she refuses and he of course takes a lot of pleasure in kicking her and suffocating her. Have you actually played the game? If you did, you wouldn't be saying such crap.
Hat Man I think the point was that no matter how beautiful their relationship was, Ellie should have died to save mankind, and Joel was being understandingly selfish
Hat Man agreed.
inseperable bond?? bro ellie was tired of joel by the end and just wanted to fulfill her purpose. joel was the only one imagining some unbreakable bond and forgetting the whole reason they were together.
Why not Daud from Dishonored? In the DLC you see that he actually saved emily at the last, and in the base game you can see him facing massive regret for killing the Empress.
These aren't "villains who were right all along" they are "villains who weren't actually bad"
Loghain was definitely not right. His actions are purely treacherous, motivated by his fear of Orlais reconquering Ferelden, and his misguided notion that the Grey Wardens are not necessary to end the blight. Ironically, if he had succeeded in assassinating Alistair and the Warden, Ferelden would have been destroyed by the Blight, and Orlais would have been forced to intervene in order to save themselves. If anything, Loghain is still fighting the war he and Maric already won, not the war in front of him.
That's what I can't stand about Loghain fanboys. "Hey, he had a couple of good points, so lets just ignore the dozen or so atrocities he commited in his power play for the throne, including the ones that had nothing to do with fighting the Orlecians"
In Return to Ostragar, you get a glimpse of him believing that Cailan was going to turf his daughter for the Orlesian Queen and she would take over Ferelden through marriage. In a later book which is about said Queen, it is outright mentioned that this was her plan. So his paranoia wasn't entirely unjustified - he just incorrectly conflated the Ferelden Grey Wardens (which were, initially, led by Orlesians) as part of that conspiracy even though they were led by Fereldens by the time of the game.
I'm not saying that makes him right - a lot of his actions were completely unnecessary and more than a little evil for not really obvious reasons - but his paranoia about Orlais was not entirely unjustified.
Loghain was evil, pure and simple. You tried to make him sound like Logan from Fable 3, which is incredibly wrong. Loghain fucking SMILED as the king and the Grey Wardens were being SLAUGHTERED. All Loghain cared about was being in charge, he never thought the Darkspawn were a real threat (hint hint THEY ARE). All he wanted to do was get rid of all the dissidants that didn't want him in power.
Logan in Fable 3 really was being the 'bad guy' because it was the only way to save as many people as possible. He was actually happy when the player kicks him out, because it meant he didn't have to be the one making the tough decisions anymore. At least, I think that's what it was, I haven't played it in years xD
Well, you got Logan right, but not Loghain, lol. I felt so bad for Saren, actually, as well.
True, I understood Logan at the end of Fable 3, but Loghain on the other hand, the dudes a total lunatic.
You lost it at 'being in charge'. There is a far more informed and interesting discussion on Loghain up at the top - yours, by comparison, is nonsensical hate.
no Ethan Cha and augustfire are right he was an asshat who didnt sliek someone and so not only caused a civil war, but nearly the destruction of the place he SAID he was protecting, not to mention the entire world
Pagan off far cry four
I always think Pagan as a good guy. The brother and sister who you do missions for, are both actually worse than Pagan. One is war hungry, and the other is a fanatic.
But pagan is so mean he killed a guy just for accidentally scared people inside the bus by Shooting
@@WIEIRDO That soldier killed innocent people, and didn't follow orders.
@@link5025 that makes sense he was very specific about stopping and shooting
@@SomeGuyWithABlueMask Yeah, Pagan Min has always been my favourite Far Cry "villain" because he isn't that much of a villain. Throughout the game, he doesn't try to harm you, since you're like his step-son. He is also better than any of the Golden Path members.
5:58 It's De-De-De not whatever you say
"King Deity"
Except Loghain sacrificed the King. So really, was it such a good thing to plunge the kingdom in turmoil when darkspawn are about to attack?
There's a bit in Inquisition that really explains how that looked from Loghain's perspective. The Warden was late lighting the beacon, the battle was already lost. He withdrew to save his men. Even looking at the timing of it all in the cutscenes, it really really looks like that even if Loghain had charged in as planned, Cailan would have been dead by the time his forces got there. The only thing he would have accomplished was getting himself and his men killed alongside their king.
Oh? Didn't know that cause I didn't give Loghain a chance. Guess I'm the real villain, after all. :(
Sacrifice is a strong word. Loghain gets a bad rap, mostly because circumstances pit the two of you on different sides and your side is incredibly biased (and not altogether intelligent). What people tend to forget is Loghain repeatedly tried to keep the king from participating in the battle, that it was a major source of contention prior to the battle, and that the signal fire to launch the reinforcements came extremely late, when the battle had been all but decided.
Loghain blamed the wardens for killing the king (he even tortured a warden who came to help), he is also best friends with the asshole who kills the human noble's family.
Loghain was a war hero that felt paranoid about letting the french back in the land (forgot the name). so he decided to kill the king and let Ferelden fix the problem.
Actually Logan from Fable 3 wasn't right because there was no need to become evil in order to save everyone. I saved everyone by buying every house, renting them out for the lowest possible rent, waiting for the rent, putting the money in the castle's treasure room after I became king and not rushing through the story. Oh, and I also kept all my promises. There's no real time limit even though they tell you that there is one. I still let him live because he's my brother and he had good intentions for what he did even though he did everything wrong. And he telling me that I'm the better king at the end was the best reward he could give me.
Handsome Jack.
Jack lost all his hero cred when he "Shot unarmed women and children like it was going out of style". Saying that Handsome Jack is a hero is like saying Superman from Injustice was justified for melting a 10 year olds brains for speaking his mind
I am not saying he is a HERO. He was right all along about Pandora, about people there. In my eyes he was right all along, was he a good person? God no, never.
Vault hunters and bandits murdered innocents, and unarmed people left and right as well. As far as I'm concerned either the only guy with a plan to fix pandora is the hero, or no one is
"was justified for melting a 10 year olds brains for speaking his mind"
i think in the INjustice Universe Captain Marvel is actually an adult already
Handsome Jack is the hero in the Pre-Sequel, so we see that he sees himself as a hero stopping people from opening the vault.
I've actually thought the Templars in general make more sense than the Assassins and would probably side with them in reality. The whole "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted." bit is nonsense. Even in a world not crafted by a deity, there is still such a thing as objective truth. There is rightness and there is wrongness. Templars do what they do to try to save lives, stop people from destroying themselves, and try to give the human race some longevity. The Assassins on the other hand, I'm not sure they even have a plan beyond kill Templars and tear down anything they build.
You can certainly come to conclusions through observation and experimentation however and get a pretty strong inclination towards what is beneficial to society in the long term
Hyjinki I always thought that the assassins represented the fight for the right to have free will, that's just me though
You dont have to know everything to know if something is objectively true. E.g I exist, Whether in a simulation, dream world, e.t.c I know for a fact and objectively that I exist because I am thinking right now, "I think therefore I am". For me to be able to have thoughts means I must exist in some way, maybe not how I think i do but i do regardless.
I agree, the Templars have always been the better side to be with, yes they do quite try to rule as if they're a monarchy and should always be highly praised. But, atleast they're achieving order and peace. Whilest it feels like the Assassins are just an annoying group of rebels trying to prevent that all from happening to do it their way and still never achieve anything.
Actually more often than not, it's the Assassins who side with Monarchy. AC sources indicate WWI was for instance fought to destabilize the European imperial system and make way for change in government.
Illusive man was right.
(MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE)
Even in WhatCulture Gaming we can't escape from Simon..
TailsPrower07 He's better than King Ross
Alex LeBlanc HE'S WORSE THAN BIN LADEN, HITLER AND STALIN COMBINED
No to liberals that's Trump, for smart people it's Hitlery Clinton
The list is pretty much people who were intentionally presented as morally debateable (Marlene in TLoU)or doing obviously wrong things under delusions (Saren in ME). Yep, it's another WhatCulture video that fails to even remotely match the title.
I mean, seriously, how was Saren at all "right all along?" The whole alternate boss fight is about convincing him that he was really WRONG the whole time. Yes, he was "indoctrinated" to some extent, but being tricked isn't the same as being "right."
If we needed a Mass Effect villain on the list the Illusive man would've been the better choice. For all I am concerned, the ending where you do what he wants (controlling the Reapers) is the best ending of them all.
I think their point with Saren was that even when Indoctrinated, he was trying to save lives. basically Saren was the original games version the the Synthesis option in 3. and frankly, when you play the series, he WAS right. there was pretty much no way in hell to beat the Reapers. even the Catalyst couldn't actually do anything to them without Shepard, and only becuase he's like 50% machine through the last 2 games.
I think their point was the one they tried to make in the video. Yours is better, but I still disagree. Bioware writing themselves into a corner with the Reapers doesn't validate Saren's actions, it merely apologizes for them. Honestly, the whole "indoctrination" brainwashing thing really clouds the issue of how much of Saren's behavior was Saren himself and how much was Sovereign. Regardless, whatever free will Saren did have was still spent traveling the galaxy murdering those he'd sworn to protect to get in good with the genocidal conquerors, just because they scared him. And he not only told no one, he took steps to hide the evidence of the Reapers. He was arrogant enough to believe that the Reapers cared enough about what HE did that they would spare some if he played along, but if he didn't they'd kill everyone. That is mind-blowing hubris. And sure enough, Shepard and friends found a way to resolve the Reaper scenario in the end (albeit with a trademark sci fi/ fantasy story-ending deus ex machina).
In summary, he was mind-controlled, he betrayed those that put their trust in him, he fought side by side with the enemies of the galaxy, he himself realized he had been a fool and killed himself for it, and the series ending proved that the Reapers could be stopped. Any way you slice it, Saren was wrong.
jroggs85 Its a bad list. Anyone intelligent for example knows Joel is obviously a hero for example (if a dark one like Batman and Mad Max) not a villain at all and Rider White was just a delusional idiot definitely wrong in every way.
Logan from Dragon Age too, that Guy was thinking that the Gray Wardens arent neccessary.
He thought all can be resolved with him as a leader and a normal army behind him.
Would thay didnt loose the first fight, they could have protected countless people and after the big group of them is defeated the gray wardens could go an hunt the leader of the enemy
maybe they would have send someone to bring all groups to the army and send them to the other front
basically Logan was an idiot who only thought he is better as all others and it would be a wise decision to kill all gray wardens because he didnt believe the existenz of the archdemon (who can only be slain through a gray warden)
if not the player survived all would be dead .... he wasnt right he was an idiot
Magus from Chrono Trigger. You spend most of the game thinking his goal was to summon Lavos only to find out he wanted to do so in order to fight and destroy it.
David Busch this should have more likes.
Magus should’ve been on this list
Rafe from uncharted 4 because if sam didn't lie rafe would of just found the treasure hurting no one
Yeah Sam is pretty much directly responsible for everything that happened in Uncharted 4.
HJWalker true, Sam could have just helped Rafe get the treasure and get his share. Could have even persuaded Rafe to bring in Nate, sayin that he needed help
HJWalker ya, I've been playing through it a bunch and it dawned on me that Sam screwed things over while he was threatening to shoot Nadine
HJWalker yeah but if rafe had not killed Vargas , Sam wouldn't have been in prison for 15years
Nah, Rafe may have been played by Sam on the grander scheme of things but considering all the shit he did throughout the narrative in U4 he clearly have a superiority complex. Rafe was rather unstable even in his re-introduction at the auction house while he conversed with Sully.
He would have hurt everyone just to claim the treasure as his own far as how he was written and Nadine Ross was brilliantly written as his "co-opposite". Rafe went through the extremes he did to get to the treasure compared to Nadine who was willing to admit her "limits".
Sam may have been the catalyst in Rafe's madness/ continued obsession on Avery's treasure but as Rafe said; "I'm not going to be able to enjoy... one of these coins... knowing that you and your worthless brother are still sucking air.".
All before continuing to throw a rant about how Drake's exploit overshadow his own achievement going as far as shooting a man who remarked Drake as a Legend for the aforementioned exploits. That and how he pretty much looked down on every single character in the Drake family before the sword fight ensued.
Sure we can pin the blame at Sam as well but do note on how Rafe treats Nadine throughout the game, it's clear that he sees it as Nadine works for him instead of with him despite his claims as it being the latter at the auction house. Won't be so far fetched to assume the same treatment is why Sam bailed out after bidding his time for 2 years working "with" Rafe before he skedaddled and found his little brother.
I.e. Rafe's as much to blame for all the chaos he created as he would have without the Drakes' involvement far as the narrative direction portrayed him. Sam only further established Rafe's status as a(n incredibly well written) villain and he sure as hell ain't no "anti-hero".
King...Deity? who the hell is that? Wait maybe he meant king Dedede.
Every video game needs a good bad guy........
🅱 do u know what minectaft is
You ARE the bad guy in minecraft
Sub-Zero didn't kill Scorpion's clan. He only killed Scorpion and Quan Chi killed Scorpion's clan as payment to the Lin Kuai.
"So The Illusive Man was right after all." - Commander Shepard, Mass Effect 3. The Illusive Man wanted to control the reapers to stop the slaughter. He had the right idea, but he, like Saren was indoctrinated.
A good description of Revolver Ocelot:
"By the time you've completed MGS4, you'll realize that the Metal Gear series is the story of two competing chessmasters, both of whom are Ocelot."
Every villain can be the hero of their own story from their P.O.V. and those are the best kind imo. An antagonist arguably justified in their actions makes for a deeper, more relatable character that leads us to reflect upon the tale and ourselves.
Would we think, say, or do the same in their position, after experiencing their life, struggles, loss? Would we be so different from our enemies if the roles were reversed? This provocative "two sides of the coin" concept benefits quality storytelling.
The majority of readers, gamers, and movie-goers are fatigued of stereotypical "good vs evil". It's grown far too predictable and limits creative freedom. Even kids' shows are steadily evolving, regularly treating viewers to more mature themes.
Classic good & bad may never die and, to an extent, that's okay. Simplistic marketing is harmless so long as it doesn't set the standard. Nonetheless, as society changes, entertainment must eventually change with it to maintain lasting success.
Just remember, it's most often the morally gray that ironically provides the most colorful impacts on our perceptions of the world. That's been true since the conception of ancient constructs like "right" and "wrong" and will continue to be true.
*#SubjectivityIsADenseWilderness* 🤔
Someone definitely hasn't played Mass Effect or Dragon Age: Origins... or any game for that matter #GetSimonOffWCGaming
Thank you for this comment, I stopped when he said Loghain was part of a special group and he allowed himself to lose a 'little' battle in order to win the war...
yes absolutely for the love of god yes.
Whoever this guy is he doesn't know what he's talking about. He said that Sub-Zero killed Scorpions family when Sub-Zero had nothing to do with Scorpions families death. What a moron.
Thats actually true! Bi-Han(The elder sub-zero) was part of the Lin Kuei Clan that had been at war with the Shirai Ryu Clan(Scorpions Clan), Scorpion's family was slaughtered by the Lin Kuei during some sort of invasion which decimated the Shirai Ryu, Sub-Zero(Bi-Han) was part of the Lin Kuei and although he might've not been directly responsible for killing Scorpions family, its surely possible and his anger is definitely justified. The new Sub-Zero Kuai Liang is the younger Sub-Zero who was seeking revenge for his brothers death(Who at this point is now Noob Saibot) had found out that the Lin Kuei's Grandmaster had conceived of a plan to decimate the Shirai-Ryu in exchange for the "Cyber Initiative" from Quan Chi, which basically meant the death of the Shirai-Ryu would equal the "Cybering" of the Lin Kuei in turn putting Quan Chi to blame for the death of Scorpion's family, when Kuai Liang found out about this, he sought out Scorpion and successfully made amends, leading Scorpion on a death march against Quan Chi.
It's the title clickbait, very misleading. "villains who were right all along" does not make sense in over half the examples. Also, what defines being right? lol
Okay, this is interesting. I like that you mentioned Loghain Mac Tir, and I think the issue with him is far more complex than most people think at first glance.
If we go to the novels, he witnessed the Orlesians rape his mother, had his own pet mabari forcibly taken to be used to breed and then came back in such poor condidition she died of injuries in his lap the day she was literally dropped out of a wagon. He, a farmer, then led a group of people and befriended the exile king in hiding.
His strategies and tactics were largely what won the day in early battles and Maric's lineage and personality won people over.
In The Calling, Loghain doesn't join Maric, Duncan or Fiona and the other Wardens to face the Architect, and Maric kind of just ran off and forced Loghain to run the kingdom in his absence. At the end of the book he rides in to save Duncan's, Fiona's and Maric's life and he witnesses Grey Wardens outright assisting the Architect in a plot to infect all the living people with the blight. He wasn't part of the adventure into the Deep Roads so he lacks context but he has personally witnessed Grey Wardens helping darkspawn.
Then we get to Ostagar. One thing that I think is near ALWAYS overlooked is one aspect of Loghain's plan that King Cailan flat out ignored. Loghain had been arguing with Cailan for days on where to be in the battle and whether or not to invite the Orlesians into the battle.
Loghain outright says on multiple occasions, even at the war council the king invites us the player to, that the front lines was too dangerous for Cailan to be and constantly advised him not to be there.
Cailan insisted on being on the front lines despite his best general telling him not to.
Another thing about the Battle of Ostagar that is vastly overlooked is a comment Alistair makes. The thing is, the Tower of Ishal was supposed to be an easy job. We sit there, wait for a signal and light the beacon. Only it had been taken because the darkspawn tunneled underneath and took it at the start of the battle. So we have to fight our way up to the top of the tower and fight an ogre at the top.
Alistair flat out tells us that we missed the signal.
So, when the darkspawn horde marches, Loghain's forces have to make a choice. Either charge in now that the signal is on and support a line that is already breaking, or make a tactical retreat and try to unite the banns and arls to help out, and then head back south to fight the darkspawn again.
Considering Loghain saw Grey Wardens help darkspawn in the past, in the novel the calling, has seen Orlais try to retake Ferelden overtly and covertly since driving them out, it's not that far a stretch for him to think that Celene, a woman who's entire reputation is political maneuvering for her own advantage, wouldn't use the blight to try and put forces in to help, and when the crises ends simply not bring them back home.
In Return to Ostagar, it is revealed that Cailan was going to put Loghains' daughter aside and marry Celene. If that happened, that Orlesian army on its way to "help" would suddenly be making itself quite cozy in a new home, protecting the royal couple.
Granted, Loghain did not know this, and he is VERY heavy handed in how he deals with skeptics at the Landsmeet and ends up fighting a civil war.
I'm honestly not going to blame that war on him though. The codexes in Origin actually talks about how the Banns have gone to war with each other over trees and disputes on who own them.
Is he a complex and amazing character. Absolutely. Is he right all the time? Of course not. Is he justified in all he does throughout the game......sometimes yes and more often than not no.
Overall, great video.
Wow that adds so much context and just shows how deep that game really is.
What? No Handsome Jack? Wtf.
Paxton Fettel, FEAR and Alma for that matter. Both were horribly tortured mantally and physically and you are forced to kill them both even thou you are part of the family, they just wanted revenge. Also Sephiroth from FF7, Big Boss and of course Darth Vadder.
I'm pretty sure someone said this already, Handsome Jack from the Borderlands games. He's crazy, but ultimately he wants to protect Pandora.
the last of us ending was to point out that if humans were going to act like garbage it would probably be better for them to die out at least that's what I got from it.
By acting like garbage you mean being a mass murderer preventing good guys from potentially saving the human race?
Ramza Beoulves fireflies we're not good guys they killed innocent children and none of them knew if they could actually get the cure from Ellie and the humans were acting like garbage, instead of working together and fighting off the disease the government killed innocent people and people formed groups to raid others. I mean there was that gang of guys that wanted to kill a little girl.
ninja of fire agreed. The Fireflies and Marlene were evil from the beginning and Davids Cult and The Hunters as well. I was in Joel and Ellies corner for the entire game, will always be and everybody should be. Joel did the right thing and Marlene and The Fireflies werr doing the wrong and evil thing.
no no how are the people who are actively looking for a cure "bad people." yes, there are bad people in that world, but also good people.
Sure, Joel, Ellie, Bill, Tommy, Sarah, Tess, Sam, Henry and Maria are good people but not Anti Military Terrorists who sacrifice the lives of innocent people who have no chance of providing the cure and are willing to (like deciding to sacrifice Ellie which I am convinced anyway would never have led to a cure, just be another needless sacrifice). There have to be other ways to get a cure (and better ways because The Fireflies failed miserably). If they could find/have found the cure it means the only cure to the infections obviously needless sacrificial death and the extinction of humanity.
I do not exactly concider needless death and human extinction a cure though except in the bleakest sence. Thus far I would say no cure was ever possible and none will be possible in the world of TLOU. It will be interesting to see where The Last Of Us Part II takes things. Based on The games trailer Ellie resolves to kill all the Fireflies realizing they were just actively killing people while falsely believing they could find a cure. They were delusional and irrational and insane (as they were doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result) terrorists as the audiofiles Joel finds proove. The Fireflies were Fanatical Zealots who could not ever save humanity, they only thought they could overlooking the fact their lack of progress prooved they could not.
I don't know if I'd call some of these characters "right all along", more justified in there actions.
I’m so happy Fable 3 was on this list, it made my day
You're damn right about Dragon Age 😂 greatest game ever
Amazing how you completely missed revolver ocelots actual story. Looks like you quit playing after the second game.
Or TLOU, where if you really played the game you would know there is an audio clip where a firefly doctor says their past experiments on survivors have given zero results and there was no chance that they would find one, but they needed to keep the group hoping, so they would continue killing survivors.
In my opinion, the fireflies were kinda grasping at straws when they wanted to kill Ellie so quickly without conducting other tests, especially since if I recall correctly, they had already done the same thing to other people that had her immunity without yielding that miracle cure they preached about.
indeed. I can't believe anyone thinks their mad science is justified.
The title of the video is a little off.
Raúl menendez?
He was kinda right
"I'm Simon from WhatCulture, and I can't pronounce King Dedede."
Billy Grey from The Lost and Damned GTA IV DLC. Billy was the old leader of the Lost MC who wanted the Lost to continue their war against the Angels of Death, a rival motorcycle club. His logic was "the harder we hit them, the more we brothers pull closer together." He was a bit of an out of control maniac, and ultimately this is why the more calculated Johnny Klebitz killed him and took over the game. All fine and dandy until GTAV set 5 years or so later and it turns out Johnny Klebitz became a big meth head who is easily stomped to death by Trevor and the rest of the Lost including Terry and Clay are easily wiped out. Maybe Billy Grey was right, and the Lost needed to be ruthless against enemies. Maybe Johnny wasn't the best guy to lead the Lost as he couldn't even control himself. Just a thought.
thats a better way to look at it
Alinea Euros think about it. Billy Grey always called Johnny Klebitz soft, and how did Johnny die? Johnny died going in for a hug, with a guy (Trevor) who literally just moments before was fucking his girl. Now not saying Trevor couldn't have killed Billy too, but I highly doubt Billy would've went out like that, and he certainly wouldn't have went for a hug of all things. Again just my two cents. I loved Johnny Klebitz, but in the end, things certainly are questionable.
Why do I feel like they kinda stole this idea from outsidexbox?
You would not believe your eyes if 10 million fireflies lit up the world as I fell asleep
Handsome Jack? Anyone?
Many of these bad guys are good only from a utilitarian perspective, and personally I don't think they were "right all along". And besides antagonists who believe the ends justify the means, 10 and Seren were corrupted by villains, and as such they weren't "right", they still needed to be stopped one way or another. Rider was much the same. And just because you seem to agree with Darth Traya's philosophy doesn't make her good, nor does seeing value in the light and dark side automatically make her good. In the end, her goals and methods are very questionable.
Love you guys for mentioning Loghain. Not approving of his methods but he's definitely one of the best-written characters in Dragon Age, especially if you include The Stolen Throne.
is this a joke?
Nope, its a video.
Her apprentice WAS Darth Revan.
Con Mars as a jedi?
Trey Holland yes. And after, according to her in-game comments.
The way Simon pronounces Dedede is messing with my head
I don't like this list
Hugh Darrow from Deus Ex Human Revolution is the best representation of "Choosing the lesser evil". At first, when Adam was wrecked. At the beginning i wanted to tear the main villain apart, but when i met him and understood his motives, i agreed with him.
Jake Murakashi same here.
Too fucking bad :D
Havent you seen Mortal Kombat X. Sub-Zero didnt kill Scorpions clan and family Quan Chi did.
So it wasn't noob saibot who killed them?
HipnosXpress no lol Quan Chi killed them and blamed Sub Zero for it. Scorpion kills the first Sub Zero because of this and he becomes Noob Saibot
Technically it was in mk9
Its a bit convoluted. Before Quan Chi was introduced, it was believed Sub Zero had done this, so Scorpion killed him in MK1 (he then went on to become Noob Saibot). When the younger brother took the name of Sub Zero in memory of his brother, hearing that "Sub Zero" was alive, Scorpion pursued revenge again, only to find it wasn't the Sub Zero he thought it was. Then, it turns out Quan Chi manipulated all of this then used Scorpion from the beginning as an enforcer. Both Scorpion and Sub Zero were pawns in Quan Chi's game to free Shinnok.
that happens in mortal kombat 9 not x
No one talks about how loghain was a man who was haunted by the horrors of his past his life experience left him very mistrusting of Orlesians, he also found out that his son in law the son of his best friend was going to leave his daughter for the queen of orlais, not to mention that Cailan was more blinded by heroic tales of gallantry and was wholly unprepared for the reality of war, and because of the Grey wardens policy of absolute secrecy they could not tell Cailan and Loghain how exactly they knew that this was in fact a true blight and not just a large raid didn’t help either
It's king D e d e d e, not king day-eddy.
He was taking about Assassin's creed 3 but he showed no footage of the game...but footage from rouge and AC 1......not even connor.......thats not like it
Fahad Parvez thank you. I was wondering where the hell that footage came from. I knew about AC1, but never played Rogue, so I was wondering where that footage came from. Ok on a side note, I do love the story in AC. In all the games I've played.
AC Rogue showed the ultimate achievement of Heathem Kenway ,i.e, getting the apple. Templar are the evils, if you look into their ultimate aim, that is to control the mind of Humans.
Dedede tends to be out for himself, so even though he crosses hammers with Kirby a lot, he has no problem helping the little puffball when something dangerous pops up.
king daiadee?
If we had played the entire game as Haytham Kenway in AC3 I would have probably enjoyed it and in fact actually finished the game because screw his shirt son who is a terrible assassin. Guess I'll just enjoy playing AC:Rogue to get my playing as a Templar fix.
Connor is one of the best assassins... What are you on about?
Hajduk I don't know if it was them trying to make another Ezio with zero charm but he's got that emo streak that I just didn't enjoy. Haythem was just a far more interesting character.
Ken Reels I don't think you will be happy either, if your holy family is dead and seeing your mother die in front of you now would you?
Conner literally was the only playable assassin who took his job seriously
I agree, Connor was boring. One of my least favourite characters in the entire series.
I actually beat Fable 3 without increasing taxes and saved everyone in all of Albion with no hatred toward my character. He was totally loved.
LISTEN SUB-ZERO DIDNT KILL ANYONE IN SCORPIONS CLAN QUAN-CHI DID
HE USED HIS BODY CHANGE POWER THINGY TO TURN INTO SUB-ZERO
AND KILLED HIS PARENTS AND EVEEYONE IN HIS CLAN
IT WASNT SUB-ZERO
YOU WOULD KNOW THIS IF YOU BEAT EVERY MORTAL KOMBAT STORY MODE
or just mortal kombat 9
mortal kombat x scropin killed quanchi
You would not believe your eyes if 10 million 2:49
Kain, from Legacy of Kain (okay, granted, half of it at any rate), he was given a choice at the end of the first game to sacrifice himself to save the world, or refuse and doom Nosgoth! In the canon, he refuses, not happy with the choices he's been left with and heads out looking for a third option, involving his birthright and his real destiny, both of which had been denied him!
How about the enclave in fallout . Arent they trying to restore order to the world ?
Tanner Crowson some people will be killed but more people will be saved from death
Tanner Crowson well yeh they do bad things but they will save thousands of people and saving the future generations by killing a few hundred people. The person we play in fallout is stoping the world from going forward
sina faeahbakhsh A few hundred? They plan on killing everyone who ISN'T a Vault Dweller. Everyone has been mutated to some degree from constant radiation exposure. The ending of Fallout 3 can show that, depending on your choices.
TheBlues32 at least the world will be saved think about people in other countries all of em can be saved
sina faeahbakhsh You're aware they had global domination in mind, yes? Rebuilding America was just the start. The whole world is ripe for take over.
they mean Traya right?
maybe
Its spelt Traya not Treya
Um, excuse me. Where the hell is Scolar Visari? He is literally one of the most passionately defended anti-villains in video games. He's made out to be the bad guy. But in reality, he was just uniting and liberating his people from the imperialism of the ISA. He fought hard to lead Helghan into protecting the society they suffered greatly to create. And the "good guys" were a bunch of jingoistic barbarians in uniform who devastated and murdered billions of innocents on Helghan just because they militantly and rightfully resisted their enslavement.
10/10 I would do exactly what Joel did.
Senator Armstrong?
Zach T dude what? He tried to kill Bladewolf
For me, that was more than enough justification to cut him into small pieces
Nanomachines son!
Hugh Darrow from Deus Ex Human Revolution is the best representation of "Choosing the lesser evil". At first, when Adam was wrecked, i wanted to tear the main villain apart, but when i met him and understood his motives, i agreed with him.
King Deity? How does an accent/dialect change Dedede to Deity? Seems lazy more than anything.
No Pagan Min? Shit list.
Desto C What Good did pagan min do? He was kinda fun listening to but No faction in far cry 4 was actually "Good".
he was harmless towards aj, the golden path in the end enslaved people, but there was no "good" side but min was not really a bad guy it was his men
Darth Treya: We're never suppose to think Kreia/Darth Treya is pure evil. That's the genius of her character. Also, she wasn't exiled because her apprentice followed Revan to war; her apprentice was Revan. She did later take on as an informal apprentice someone who did follow Revan to war. Kreia, I grant you was probably right all along; however she wasn't the villain all along (she admits she was Darth Treya very early in the game, and does so as a lesson), so she doesn't really count.
Seren: He wasn't the villain we thought he was; he was doing what he thought was right, to a point. But was he right all along? Obviously not.
Teyrn Loghain: Again, doing what he thought was right. Was he right all along? Used past enmities cloud his judgement so he betrays his King, and puts in peril not only his country, but the entire world? No, he was not right all along. I'm not sure what this 'special group' that was suppose to protect the land of Ferelden is. I assume you mean the Grey Wardens? They were not there to protect Ferelden, and Loghain was not one of them (in fact he betrayed them too).
Video games of course
Way too much Simon in WhatCulture videos now.
I'm just commenting everywhere lol. One baddie who had a generally good idea is Van from Tales Of The Abyss. Van wanted to free the world from what was known as "The Score", which was what people used to look into the future. It was bad for some people, as some used it to find out what to do for dinner that night. He had planned to remake everyone in the world into "Replicas", which is essentially new humans. It's best to read up on him and his goal, while also looking up the game. It's a fantastic game, and is my number 1 of all time.
Ofc the fireflies are the good. Thats y I wanted to sacrifice Ellie so badly in the end of the game. Thats y the Game sucks.
I don't think you understood the ending. the fireflies had failed every attempt at making a cure with kids who were immune just like Ellie. Joel knew this and decided that killing Ellie for something that had a 0% success rate, and that even the fireflies where only 1% sure would work, was wrong. also eve if they got a cure made, how would they test it? willingly infect people? the fireflies had good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Joel lied to Ellie about there being other kids and the Fireflies giving up on a cure.. He just didn't want to lose another daughter.
@@AliAcidz I don't think you understand the ending but I don't blame Joel for doing what he did. I would've done the same