@@marcelmaksel8814 he avenged both of his losses with no ambiguity. a goat isn't just "no losses", it's overall dominance and elite matchups. you are a casual.
@@marcelmaksel8814 26 wins 2 loses, once with Matt Hughes in his early career, Matt Hughes technique was maybe not best but he was fucking huge and strong. Serra was just lucky, GSP beated him in rematch. GSP cleared welterweight division and in his prime he was irresistible, the only thing that remains controversial is the quality of his opponents, but who else can be the goat? Jon Jones who was close to losing to Reyes and Gustafson and his best victory was 38 years old Daniel Cormier?
These picks are not unconventional. GSP is the pick for most "hardcore" MMA fans, who dont value Jones for his PED usage and aren't so desperate to show there "hardcoreness" that they pick DJ (undeservingly). And most hardcore boxing fans, espacially the many oldheads would pick SRR
Well theres also a lot of answers to it. Like the UFC has the Mt Rushmore of GSP, Jones, Silva and DJ. While boxing has been around for so long that theres multiple as well. Ali, SRR, Armstrong, Greb, Louis to name a few Although ofc, the most popular options being that of SRR and Ali, i implore yall to look into the others. Armstrong is the only man to hold three belts at the same time
@@Divinemakyrnobody who pays attention to all weightclasses would say ali. ali even said robinson is the goat. bros been the goat of the sport since he retired, reason why p4p is even a thing is because of him.
@@thomasmuller2233 let’s remember If it wasn’t for a rule change for one Olympic, the over under clinch that last Olympics may have gone differently so he would be at 4 and the fact he was undefeated for 13 years and didn’t gave up a point for six is unreal. if his pedigree happened before modern record keeping we would think it was a made up legend about a scary human bear hybrid myth made to scare Siberian children.
On Jon Jones, if you literally get banned from the sport you are competing in because you took banned performance enchanting substances you can't be the GOAT of said sport IMO. There is little doubt in my mind that GSP took PEDs, but he never got caught and not me nor you can ever make that claim with any substantial evidence. Jon Jones on the other hand...
To be fair this is what makes mixed combat sport better You know why You take every ped so it's like you get tested with max stats So I am not against peds athelete I think this make mixed combat more legit In real life you would do everything to gain edge
@@cXms-k8ywe are talking bout sports, not real life. Using your own logic, I would just bring guns or knife but I cant, cause it have its own rule cause its a freakin sport. Althelete was supposed to be the embodiment of health but you want them to endorse drugs??? I know how bad the reality of sports this days but you animals trying to normalizing it is even worse.
to be fair they didn't really test in gsp's time. i mean they did but it's the type of tests you fail only if you're a complete dummy and judging by gsp's body and stamina, i'm pretty sure he did juice. regardless, gsp was a great fighter and def a contender for the mma goat status, the others being dj and jones. when it comes to jones there is no doubt that he juiced cuz he got caught multiple times, dj on the other hand fought even when the usada came to the ufc, never popped and always gave dominant performances. dj was also not physically gifted like gsp and jones so instead of enjoying massive advantages he had to overcome hardships and still be more skilled than the other two imo. if you were to make those three fight and they all had the same weight and reach i bet my money on mighty mouse easily. purely skill-wise and resume-wise, jones is better than gsp too but since gsp never got caught, even though i still think he juiced, i got it 1 dj, 2 gps and 3 jones.
True but I’ll just say I read somewhere that he tested positive for a substance that was later banned but at the time ge competed it wasn’t banned yet. Do with that what you will. But I don’t disagree with the choice to call him the goat.
@@metalface_villainit’s not just about juicing it’s the best strength of schedule aswell as W/L ratio. Gsp takes the W in both those categories. However purely by skill of course it’d be mighty. He’s a small guy and skill for skill no one can compare to a smaller guy
I’d honestly argue the undefeated undisputed goat chael sonnen is the greatest ever in every respective martial art but ur opinion is somewhat valid so I’ll let this slide
sugar ray and samart are a given tbh so not much to argue there, the other sports i know little about so i can't speak but for mma it's debatable. i'd personally put dj there. never popped and fought after usada, still dominating, unlike gps who only had the washed, one eye bisping fight post usada or jones who got caught many a times. he didn't have the explosiveness and massive build of gsp or the enormous reach of jones, he is tiny, slim with small arms and he still dominated a division to the point that it nearly shut down. jones has better names on his record but most of them were old when he fought them and when he fought newer fighters post usada, he looked mediocre, plus lower classes have way more skilled fighters even though they are less popular than heavier classes. dj > gsp > jones, unless jones fights and beats aspinal, then he will be very hard to deny.
I am a sumo fan that got into sumo at the tail end of Hakuho's career. It's a shame that most people are not aware of Hakuho, naturally as sumo is not really popular outside of Japan, but to illustrate how insanely good he is he holds the record for the following: - Most top division titles at 45, 2nd is 32 - Most undefeated tournaments at 16, 2nd has 8 - Most consecutive titles won, tied 1st - Most title playoffs, tied 1st - Most career wins - Most top division wins (by a huge margin) - Most wins in a calendar year, tied 1st with HIMSELF - Best win percentage at 84.6%, only 2 others are above 80% - Most tournaments ranked at Yokozuna by a huge margin Shame that sumo is kind of a meme outside of Japan, but once you get over the fact that you are looking at 2 big guys in diapers and start actually watching tournaments you realise how skilled and strong these guys are, specially the top division sanyaku wrestlers
I love Sumo, but I disagree with Hakuho being the greatest. Many Historians, and myself, believe Raiden was the greatest. According to multiple polls in Japan, Chiyonofuji is the greatest. Hakuho has a losing record against Asa, who was forced to retire early. Asa has losing records against two Yokozuna's himself. Raiden, still to this day, has the best winning percentage in the history of Sumo. Raiden won 28 of the 35 Basho's he entered. Keep in mind that there were only two Basho a year during his career. If there were six, no one would come close to his records.
@@asadabdullaev8804 Asa was adapting and turning it around. His performance was improving. Raiden is not a myth. You lost all credibility by suggesting that.
@@jasonwigginsName is not a myth, but stuff like win rate and other stats are not 100 percent correct. Also there is no way he had good opposition, at least half of the good sumo wrestlers he never met. You also mentioned Chiyonofuji as the Japanese people’s favorite, well of course he is! Half Ukrainian Taiho and Mongolian Hakuho can go f@ck themselves, despite being better.
@@connor3284 well yeah Amazumo and Ozumo are essentially 2 separate sports. That’s like you saying that your buddy who is good at golf would get smoked by Scottie scheffler, like duh
Very interesting list, I enjoyed it! For Greco-Roman wrestling, I might put Mijain Lopez as the greatest with five (5!) Olympic gold medals and five (another 5!) World Championships. Karelin has 3 Olympics (could have been 4, as you mentioned) plus 9 World Championships, so I can't be mad at ya. :)
@MakeFood-sc4of It's honestly hard to think of an athlete who has dominated their sport for as long as Lopez did. Michael Phelps, maybe? He's that good that you have to compare him to athletes in other sports. Also, as you say: to compete at that level at that age is incredible. Nobody is doing that and I doubt anyone will ever come close.
Great video ! I agree with most of your choices. I my opinion, the boxing goat is Joe Louis and the May Thaï goat is Saenchai. Also, I was expecting to see Gordon Ryan on this list, he's regarded as the goat in grappling competition.
Teddy Riner shouldn’t be the judo goat in my opinion Yamashita is the GOAT. Seriously 203 victories in an art where one mistake will cost a defeat is insane.
It would be a fun debate for people more knowledgeable in Judo than me. As a newby and after a lot of research Riner's strictly sporting achievements couldn't be passed.
@@thecombatchroniclerYou need to consider level of competition in the weight class. If a female strawweight was a reigning undefeated champion, it still wouldn’t be correct to have her over GSP or Jones considering the level of competition
heres another why gsp is the goat: he analyze frame-by-frame of his opponents fight videos, identifying their ticks and reflex responses for him to exploit it in the fight, essentially implementing fighting video game cheesing in real fight lmao
I would put Mijaín López over Karelin due to him being an Olympic greco roman gold winner for 5 olympics in a row in the heavyweight division which is way more impressive taking into account he didnt compete for over 2 years before he got this years gold.
@lechaatr193 Teddy Riners weight class is not nearly as competitive as the lower weights. By accolades alone he may be considered the best, but it's a bit disingenuous to have him as the GOAT.
Teddy Riner has more impressive accolades by far. I love Ono Shohei’s Judo though, the lighter weights are much more exciting, but Riner’s Paris olympic run is nothing but legendary. Compared to the only other ever 3 time olympic gold medalist’s third run it was astonishingly dominant. Not to mention the ridiculous fairytale story of the Team event in front of the home crowd.
They don’t like the guy, that’s why they’re so persistent on not crowning him as the best. Lance Armstrong passed hundreds of drug tests, and GSP quit right when they started more rigorously drug testing. But even disregarding all that, besides GSP or Jon there’d be others who could go for the title like Mighty Mouse or DC. The creator of the video is very obviously biased.
I have a fun story. I'm trained as a kickboxer and spent some time training in K-1 gyms in Japan. Well one time randomly Hajime Kazumi came into the gym I was training at and just did an impromptu seminar. I couldn't understand a word but after it was done everyone was throwing these blitzing karate style combinations with the low kick and absolutely destroying me. This pick may be the most personal but I think it shows to me just how important his contributions have been to not only Kyokushin but striking as a whole.
Mma: GSP Boxing: Sam Langford Kickboxing Giorgio Petrosyan Full contact (American kickboxing): Don Wilson Muay Thai: Samart Greco-roman: Mijain Lopez Judo: Teddy Riner Kyokushin: Kazumi Hajime Sport karate: Rafael Aghayev
@user-universalmaster. how many fighters do you know that fought the best people available from lightweight to heavyweight in boxing? Most hall of fame fights?
@@user-universalmaster. how many fought the best from lightweight to heavyweight and beat them? Who holds the record for the most hall of fame fights combined? You can look for the answer in my comment above
@@Lmao69 I am aware. He weighed about ~190lbs in the cage during his prime, more like ~205lbs when he moved up to middleweight, but was old then. He's outweighed by the others, but has a much larger skillset.
GSP would beat the snot out of all the other guys. He would sub Robinson, Petroysian, Payarkoon, Kazumi and Lopez. All the other guys would get head or body kicked into oblivion. Alltough maybe Karelin could dump GSP on his head, alltough i think GSP is competent enough at wrestling to negate it in an MMA/street fight setting. Riner might also be able to get a takedown and hail mary sub. But i think Judo isnt dynamic enough to secure the takedown.
@@Jonnybois Karelin, Riner, Hasanov, and Gracie are his hardest fights. They have less tools in their bag, but they're much larger. I'm not entirely sure how it would go.
I know the impulse is to disregard Jon Jones because of failed drug tests, but I think it is still perfectly reasonable to have the likes of dj and gsp above Jones on their own merit and without making any exclusions. I think Jones is definitely top 5, but their seemingly stellar record does not hold up to scrutiny.
Facts, a microscopic look through Jones' record, especially looking at the point of the career his opponents were at is very relevant and not discussed enough.
It should be noted that in the UFC fighters weren’t required to get tested until June of 2015. It might be different for other organizations but the UFC is where gsp competed so I’m only talking about the UFC
To be fair, Hakuho's 63-win streak is not the all time record, but I doubt anyone is ever coming close to his 45 championships (for context, next best has 32 championships iirc).
He is the greatest tho lmao, he has a better resume than SRR, beat more HOFers, beat more ranked contenders, had more cultural impact (which is very important for goat status), undefeated in rematches (some goat stuff right there), defeated all odds against Foreman and Liston etc. And this was during the time where heavyweights weren't fat as shit like modern heavies (Ruiz,Fury,Miller etc and half of the ranked contenders are out of shape) and actually fought frequently, and the best American athletes came to boxing, nowadays they all go for NFL lmao.
GSP being the Mama Goat is what made me click. Truer words have not been spoken, Jon is a cheater and a scumbag, who used roids and blatant fouls inside the cage, including regular eye poles and other scummy tactics, not a Goat not even a Great, but merely a cheater and not someone to look up to...
Thats your personal opinion, this all just sounds like a massive cope if Im being honest…probably the best resume in the ufc, beat the most former/future champions, has the most title defenses, and never lost…you absolutely cannot say the same for gsp who was very clearly juicing at the time aswell
My the Kwon do coach competed in nationals in 2000, the 1st year tkd was in the Olympics. And the only person who could, and did beat him was Lopez. He ended up placing 3rd that year, and Lopez went on to take the 1st gold at the olympics
It's predetermined, so no actual competition. If you want to say who has the best-looking wrestling in the match not counting victories, then you can probably say who is the best at that. Some of the best wrestlers, lost a lot of matches simply because who they wanted to push regardless of actual skill.
The GOAT of Karate is named Hajime? I know it means 'beginning' in Japanese, but since it is used a lot for Karate bouts, it feels like a case of nominative determinism
petrosyan fought everybody and always won, only man to win k1 tournament back to back. He only has 3 losses, nobody is more technical than him, what are you on?
It might be unfair but K-1s golden era having so many legendary heavyweights actually makes it harder to sell, because they all traded wins and losses amongst themselves and you couldn't really single one out, maybe Hoost by a little bit. But I did really consider putting Aerts in there.
DJ was close to being the undeniable goat of MMA but him leaving the UFC was the worst thing that could happen. We didn't get to see him defend against better competiton and he wasn't even old, he was THIRTY TWO when he was traded to OneFC and now he's already retired at 38. Imo DJ not like it's his fault or anything had some of the weakest challengers there's been for a UFC belt and it wasn't a good look for him losing to a contender in a weaker promotion when he was 35 despite the good rematch win.
Out of all the "goats" in the mma goat debate, gsp has the best argument. Doesnt mean u cant think others are, but his argument is the hardest to break down in comparison to anyone without going full delusional
@thecombatchronicler True enough. I just for some reason have a hard time putting Rico up there considering his fights with Badr. Meanwhile Semmy did amazingly in the rematch against him. But it's definitely debatable.
Got to train with Suberbon a short bit after he KO’d petrosyan. Rly sweet guy but he did demo an elbow on me and my life may or may not have flashed before my eyes
@@Gfckin9 absolutely incorrect, your claim that Darrel Elkins, Chad Mendez, Jose Aldo, Holloway , Brian Ortega, zombie and Yair are NOT as impressive as Bisping, juiced jonny Hendricks, Diaz not so good but still a great name, Carlos condit, Jake shields, Thiago alvez, Matt Hughes, frank trigg. Plus only 2 losses which he aggressively avenged. That’s way more impressive than Volks resume
@@Scrumdumn what are you smoking? Sorry but aldo and max by themselves is already more impressive than gsps whole resume, anyone who actually watched the sport will disagree with you and probably laugh at your take…you’re saying carlos condit and jake shields like they hold a candle to anyone volks fought
You're going to have to square up with Dana white for not giving Jon Jones the nod
A guy who tapped like a bitch and lost to a short king ain't a 🐐 lol
Dana tha GOAT of American Yap Yitsu 😂
😂😂
@@A.J619lol
Jon Jones on top though
U are so real for picking gsp in mma
He lost to Matt sera come on I love GSP but he ain't goat
@@marcelmaksel8814and he avenged that loss in brutal fashion
@@marcelmaksel8814 he avenged both of his losses with no ambiguity. a goat isn't just "no losses", it's overall dominance and elite matchups. you are a casual.
@@marcelmaksel8814 26 wins 2 loses, once with Matt Hughes in his early career, Matt Hughes technique was maybe not best but he was fucking huge and strong. Serra was just lucky, GSP beated him in rematch. GSP cleared welterweight division and in his prime he was irresistible, the only thing that remains controversial is the quality of his opponents, but who else can be the goat? Jon Jones who was close to losing to Reyes and Gustafson and his best victory was 38 years old Daniel Cormier?
@Petrov_78dj, Jon jones or fedor are the goats
George Saint Pierre and Sugar Ray Robinson are great picks, though they may appear unconventional at first glance.
Nuance is key. As soon as I saw GSP I knew this vid was gonna be a banger
These picks are not unconventional. GSP is the pick for most "hardcore" MMA fans, who dont value Jones for his PED usage and aren't so desperate to show there "hardcoreness" that they pick DJ (undeservingly).
And most hardcore boxing fans, espacially the many oldheads would pick SRR
@@mavenmaven4513 unconventional because the common answers are Jon Jones and Muhammad Ali
Well theres also a lot of answers to it. Like the UFC has the Mt Rushmore of GSP, Jones, Silva and DJ. While boxing has been around for so long that theres multiple as well. Ali, SRR, Armstrong, Greb, Louis to name a few
Although ofc, the most popular options being that of SRR and Ali, i implore yall to look into the others. Armstrong is the only man to hold three belts at the same time
@@Divinemakyrnobody who pays attention to all weightclasses would say ali. ali even said robinson is the goat. bros been the goat of the sport since he retired, reason why p4p is even a thing is because of him.
Aleksander Karelin is the GOAT of Greco-Roman Wrestling without a doubt, no debate.
You should tell him that because he has said it's Lopez
I agree and was about to make that comment.
it's even more, i never see such a doinance in a combatsport
Lopez 5 gold medal
@@thomasmuller2233 let’s remember If it wasn’t for a rule change for one Olympic, the over under clinch that last Olympics may have gone differently so he would be at 4 and the fact he was undefeated for 13 years and didn’t gave up a point for six is unreal. if his pedigree happened before modern record keeping we would think it was a made up legend about a scary human bear hybrid myth made to scare Siberian children.
On Jon Jones, if you literally get banned from the sport you are competing in because you took banned performance enchanting substances you can't be the GOAT of said sport IMO.
There is little doubt in my mind that GSP took PEDs, but he never got caught and not me nor you can ever make that claim with any substantial evidence. Jon Jones on the other hand...
To be fair this is what makes mixed combat sport better
You know why
You take every ped so it's like you get tested with max stats
So I am not against peds athelete
I think this make mixed combat more legit
In real life you would do everything to gain edge
@cXms-k8y I'm against PEDs because if we allow them, you end up with bodybuilder type stuff, drug wars, and horrible long-term health.
if you take away records off jon's resume for the peds, he would still be the goat
@@bosshot0123its like barry bonds, everybody considers him the goat but he took peds
@@cXms-k8ywe are talking bout sports, not real life.
Using your own logic, I would just bring guns or knife but I cant, cause it have its own rule cause its a freakin sport.
Althelete was supposed to be the embodiment of health but you want them to endorse drugs??? I know how bad the reality of sports this days but you animals trying to normalizing it is even worse.
I am PLEASED you chose GSP as the GOAT. Dude never failed a drug test 🤷♂️
to be fair they didn't really test in gsp's time. i mean they did but it's the type of tests you fail only if you're a complete dummy and judging by gsp's body and stamina, i'm pretty sure he did juice. regardless, gsp was a great fighter and def a contender for the mma goat status, the others being dj and jones. when it comes to jones there is no doubt that he juiced cuz he got caught multiple times, dj on the other hand fought even when the usada came to the ufc, never popped and always gave dominant performances. dj was also not physically gifted like gsp and jones so instead of enjoying massive advantages he had to overcome hardships and still be more skilled than the other two imo. if you were to make those three fight and they all had the same weight and reach i bet my money on mighty mouse easily. purely skill-wise and resume-wise, jones is better than gsp too but since gsp never got caught, even though i still think he juiced, i got it 1 dj, 2 gps and 3 jones.
True but I’ll just say I read somewhere that he tested positive for a substance that was later banned but at the time ge competed it wasn’t banned yet. Do with that what you will. But I don’t disagree with the choice to call him the goat.
Neither did Mighty Mouse or DC……….
GSP quit when drug testing came around 🤡
@@metalface_villainit’s not just about juicing it’s the best strength of schedule aswell as W/L ratio. Gsp takes the W in both those categories. However purely by skill of course it’d be mighty. He’s a small guy and skill for skill no one can compare to a smaller guy
GSP pick is based
Lost to hendricks couldnt even finish jake shields, biggest win is against a guy with one funtional eye🤣🤣
@@Day1JoeMiltonBeliever it's cause he's white isn't it?
Casual @@Day1JoeMiltonBeliever
Iq of a monkey @@Day1JoeMiltonBeliever
@@Day1JoeMiltonBeliever considering bisping as tge biggest for GSP fighted show à lot about your little brain
The fact that uncle chael wasn’t the mma goat discredited this entire vid. Thanks
It wouldn't be fair, because he would be the pick for every sport. Had to exclude him.
@@thecombatchronicler Fair point
Cheal fans are so cringey
This is a certified hood classic 🙏
For the streets always
Any disagreements with my picks must be settled by squaring up 😡😤
I’d honestly argue the undefeated undisputed goat chael sonnen is the greatest ever in every respective martial art but ur opinion is somewhat valid so I’ll let this slide
@@agahuseynov7608 49-0
31 wins
17 murders
1 civilisation destroyed (Atlantis)
If you cannot overpower me you cannot tell me your opinion
@@AS-bc8fg and 18 more wins
sugar ray and samart are a given tbh so not much to argue there, the other sports i know little about so i can't speak but for mma it's debatable. i'd personally put dj there. never popped and fought after usada, still dominating, unlike gps who only had the washed, one eye bisping fight post usada or jones who got caught many a times. he didn't have the explosiveness and massive build of gsp or the enormous reach of jones, he is tiny, slim with small arms and he still dominated a division to the point that it nearly shut down. jones has better names on his record but most of them were old when he fought them and when he fought newer fighters post usada, he looked mediocre, plus lower classes have way more skilled fighters even though they are less popular than heavier classes. dj > gsp > jones, unless jones fights and beats aspinal, then he will be very hard to deny.
I am a sumo fan that got into sumo at the tail end of Hakuho's career. It's a shame that most people are not aware of Hakuho, naturally as sumo is not really popular outside of Japan, but to illustrate how insanely good he is he holds the record for the following:
- Most top division titles at 45, 2nd is 32
- Most undefeated tournaments at 16, 2nd has 8
- Most consecutive titles won, tied 1st
- Most title playoffs, tied 1st
- Most career wins
- Most top division wins (by a huge margin)
- Most wins in a calendar year, tied 1st with HIMSELF
- Best win percentage at 84.6%, only 2 others are above 80%
- Most tournaments ranked at Yokozuna by a huge margin
Shame that sumo is kind of a meme outside of Japan, but once you get over the fact that you are looking at 2 big guys in diapers and start actually watching tournaments you realise how skilled and strong these guys are, specially the top division sanyaku wrestlers
100% agree!! I can’t even put into words how incredible his career was
I love Sumo, but I disagree with Hakuho being the greatest. Many Historians, and myself, believe Raiden was the greatest. According to multiple polls in Japan, Chiyonofuji is the greatest. Hakuho has a losing record against Asa, who was forced to retire early. Asa has losing records against two Yokozuna's himself. Raiden, still to this day, has the best winning percentage in the history of Sumo. Raiden won 28 of the 35 Basho's he entered. Keep in mind that there were only two Basho a year during his career. If there were six, no one would come close to his records.
@@jasonwiggins Raiden is a myth. Look at the reault of last 10 bouts against Asashoryu, Hakuho got his number by then
@@asadabdullaev8804 Asa was adapting and turning it around. His performance was improving. Raiden is not a myth. You lost all credibility by suggesting that.
@@jasonwigginsName is not a myth, but stuff like win rate and other stats are not 100 percent correct. Also there is no way he had good opposition, at least half of the good sumo wrestlers he never met. You also mentioned Chiyonofuji as the Japanese people’s favorite, well of course he is! Half Ukrainian Taiho and Mongolian Hakuho can go f@ck themselves, despite being better.
No bullshit, straight to the point
Respect for picking Giorgio Petrosyan, he isn't too flashy and famous but he's skills prove greatness
I feel like the competition is too deep for mma and boxing for just one goat
This is probably what people agree the most
Nah, there's only one goat, i would have said sugar ray leonard though
@treoui8739 Lewis
It's so hard to pick. GSP is a based choice though, but I personally have Pacquiao as boxing's GOAT.
@treoui8739Leonard might have been the best or most skilled fighter ever but just didn’t fight enough to be considered the gost
Sensei Seth is the sumo GOAT trust💀
😊😅
Never has a UA-cam comment been more correct
At least the GOAT of the light heavyweight division in USA amateur sumo
I'm sorry, but he'd get demolished in actual sumo.
@@connor3284 well yeah Amazumo and Ozumo are essentially 2 separate sports. That’s like you saying that your buddy who is good at golf would get smoked by Scottie scheffler, like duh
This better go viral bro
Great video bro!
Appreciate the support 👊
I can’t believe this video doesn’t have more views! Well spoken and entertaining. Great video.
Bro’s the goat for actually putting time and searching information for these guys not just making a trendy list
Picking gsp is a massive W
why
@iamapokerface8992 cuz Peds aren't cool
@@iamapokerface8992why is it not
What about someone like Mighty Mouse he had the most title defenses for mma
I want to agree so bad but the depth of his weight class keeps him off
This is a great premise and video - deserves a lot more views.
Very interesting list, I enjoyed it! For Greco-Roman wrestling, I might put Mijain Lopez as the greatest with five (5!) Olympic gold medals and five (another 5!) World Championships. Karelin has 3 Olympics (could have been 4, as you mentioned) plus 9 World Championships, so I can't be mad at ya. :)
lopez is amazing but 887-2 with both losses being somewhat controversial is just insane
@@nomansland5670 Oh, Karelin is deservedly a beast! That record plus 13 years undefeated in international competition, just incredible.
@MakeFood-sc4of It's honestly hard to think of an athlete who has dominated their sport for as long as Lopez did. Michael Phelps, maybe? He's that good that you have to compare him to athletes in other sports. Also, as you say: to compete at that level at that age is incredible. Nobody is doing that and I doubt anyone will ever come close.
Going to use this vid to inform my own training for sure, got some film to watch :)
Great video
goat video bro 💪
BJJ goes to Gordon Ryan but I totally understand and respect the Roger pick
Yeah Roger for Gi. Ryan for No-Gi
@ agreed
I think the differing leagues in some combat sports make the goat convo more nuance than other sports
You're going to need to remake this video when Shamil Gaziev is done with his career
Sugar Ray Robinson es el dios del boxeo. En su prime llegó a tener un impresionante récord de 133-2 antes de retirarse por 2 años.
Great video ! I agree with most of your choices. I my opinion, the boxing goat is Joe Louis and the May Thaï goat is Saenchai. Also, I was expecting to see Gordon Ryan on this list, he's regarded as the goat in grappling competition.
You are so goated for recognizing gsp bro he is so underappreciated
Great vid
Teddy Riner shouldn’t be the judo goat in my opinion Yamashita is the GOAT. Seriously 203 victories in an art where one mistake will cost a defeat is insane.
It would be a fun debate for people more knowledgeable in Judo than me. As a newby and after a lot of research Riner's strictly sporting achievements couldn't be passed.
@@thecombatchroniclerYou need to consider level of competition in the weight class. If a female strawweight was a reigning undefeated champion, it still wouldn’t be correct to have her over GSP or Jones considering the level of competition
The GOAT Hakuho mentioned, Asahoryu was another favourite of mine
Even though he never got Yokozuna, Tochinoshin is always my fav
heres another why gsp is the goat:
he analyze frame-by-frame of his opponents fight videos, identifying their ticks and reflex responses for him to exploit it in the fight, essentially implementing fighting video game cheesing in real fight lmao
Imagine the ultimate tournament between all goats
Having seen hakuho when it was at the top was really something. The guy really just seemed unbeatable
@@alexsenseisclassroom6859 that must of been crazy, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the video, THE COMBAT CHRONICLER
You bet 👊
W for the Sugar Ray Robinson pick
I would put Mijaín López over Karelin due to him being an Olympic greco roman gold winner for 5 olympics in a row in the heavyweight division which is way more impressive taking into account he didnt compete for over 2 years before he got this years gold.
Who carea
Well when you are discussing goat status you have to take stuff like this into account unless you are completely biased
Shohei Ono not being the Judo goat is criminal
Teddy Riner is by far the judo goat , lmao japan have schools only to beat him since 10 years and it dont work , not even close
@lechaatr193 Teddy Riners weight class is not nearly as competitive as the lower weights. By accolades alone he may be considered the best, but it's a bit disingenuous to have him as the GOAT.
Teddy Riner has more impressive accolades by far. I love Ono Shohei’s Judo though, the lighter weights are much more exciting, but Riner’s Paris olympic run is nothing but legendary. Compared to the only other ever 3 time olympic gold medalist’s third run it was astonishingly dominant. Not to mention the ridiculous fairytale story of the Team event in front of the home crowd.
Yamashita is the real goat 203-0
Regardless or if you like Jones or not, don’t kid yourself he was the best
And I love Sugar Ray but you’re on booger sugar if you think he’s better than any prolific champion forward of the 80s
They don’t like the guy, that’s why they’re so persistent on not crowning him as the best. Lance Armstrong passed hundreds of drug tests, and GSP quit right when they started more rigorously drug testing. But even disregarding all that, besides GSP or Jon there’d be others who could go for the title like Mighty Mouse or DC. The creator of the video is very obviously biased.
Kazumi Hajime is indeed a formidable Kyokushin Karateka, but why we leaving out Judd Reid and Matsui Shokei?
Or Kenji Yamaki
@ truly a master
I have a fun story. I'm trained as a kickboxer and spent some time training in K-1 gyms in Japan. Well one time randomly Hajime Kazumi came into the gym I was training at and just did an impromptu seminar. I couldn't understand a word but after it was done everyone was throwing these blitzing karate style combinations with the low kick and absolutely destroying me. This pick may be the most personal but I think it shows to me just how important his contributions have been to not only Kyokushin but striking as a whole.
@ I am also a Shodan in Kyokushin Kai, completely changed how I fight! I was big on Point Fighting (which has its time and place)
You are a real one for picking Gsp as the mma goat man these Jon glazers aren’t shit
Mma: GSP
Boxing: Sam Langford
Kickboxing Giorgio Petrosyan
Full contact (American kickboxing): Don Wilson
Muay Thai: Samart
Greco-roman: Mijain Lopez
Judo: Teddy Riner
Kyokushin: Kazumi Hajime
Sport karate: Rafael Aghayev
Sam langford pfffff, he was good but not the goat
@user-universalmaster. how many fighters do you know that fought the best people available from lightweight to heavyweight in boxing? Most hall of fame fights?
@@user-universalmaster. how many fought the best from lightweight to heavyweight and beat them? Who holds the record for the most hall of fame fights combined? You can look for the answer in my comment above
@@jacopo.dainottoAre you being serious? Genuine question
Gordon Ryan BJJ
Anderson Silva has the record for most title defences. He had moore ways to finish a fight and he moved up a weight class a couple of times.
He mentioned people who did peds don’t get considered
I’d give the nod to Ernesto Hoost and JBJ personally but that’s me.
Not using Marcelo Garcia for BJJ is a fair opinion even if I disagree with it.
It's really the gi and no gi achievements combined for Roger that does it for me.
@@thecombatchronicler Marcelo isn't even the no gi GOAT, it's Gordon by a mile.
Ernesto Hoost exists...
Out of all 12 of these guys who would win in a fight? At first glance, the best answers are Saint Pierre, Karelin, Riner, maybe Hasanov and Gracie.
Dude , Gsp was a welterweight.
@@Lmao69 I am aware. He weighed about ~190lbs in the cage during his prime, more like ~205lbs when he moved up to middleweight, but was old then. He's outweighed by the others, but has a much larger skillset.
GSP would beat the snot out of all the other guys. He would sub Robinson, Petroysian, Payarkoon, Kazumi and Lopez. All the other guys would get head or body kicked into oblivion. Alltough maybe Karelin could dump GSP on his head, alltough i think GSP is competent enough at wrestling to negate it in an MMA/street fight setting. Riner might also be able to get a takedown and hail mary sub. But i think Judo isnt dynamic enough to secure the takedown.
@@Jonnybois Karelin, Riner, Hasanov, and Gracie are his hardest fights. They have less tools in their bag, but they're much larger. I'm not entirely sure how it would go.
Karelin
Macho Man Randy Savage for Pro Wrestling
Snap into a SlimJim ooooooohYeaaaaaah
I know the impulse is to disregard Jon Jones because of failed drug tests, but I think it is still perfectly reasonable to have the likes of dj and gsp above Jones on their own merit and without making any exclusions. I think Jones is definitely top 5, but their seemingly stellar record does not hold up to scrutiny.
Facts, a microscopic look through Jones' record, especially looking at the point of the career his opponents were at is very relevant and not discussed enough.
Petrosyan is a good pick, but for my money I get Rico Verhoeven
Wut ?? Bro are u dutch
You’re tweaking
Rico: 65W - 10L, 1 major organisation champ
Giorgio: 107W - 3L - 2D, 3 major organisation champ 🏆
Hahah Rico either gets severely underrated or severely overrated, no inbetween
@@thecombatchronicler based
John Brzenk- Armwrestling
Clicked immediately when I saw the same people on my list featured on the thumbnail 😭
Boxing - Duran
MMA - Jon Jones
Muai Thai - Saenchai
Wrestling - Mihain Lopez
Kickboxing - Ernesto Hoost
Bro GSP has NOTHING on Demetrious. There u go, i said it
It should be noted that in the UFC fighters weren’t required to get tested until June of 2015. It might be different for other organizations but the UFC is where gsp competed so I’m only talking about the UFC
To be fair, Hakuho's 63-win streak is not the all time record, but I doubt anyone is ever coming close to his 45 championships (for context, next best has 32 championships iirc).
I think Miajin Lopez surpassed Karelin in the all time great Greco wrestlers list
I’ll always pick DJ as my MMA goat, but if you bring up legacy, GSP is a solid choice
Finally, someone who didn’t say “Ali” as the boxing GOAT.
He is
I think Ali is the greatest in terms of cultural impact which in the greater scheme of things means more than anything in the ring.
In a fight Ali would win because of his size advantage on top of his skill, but I admit in a pound for pound scenario Robinson would won
He is the greatest tho lmao, he has a better resume than SRR, beat more HOFers, beat more ranked contenders, had more cultural impact (which is very important for goat status), undefeated in rematches (some goat stuff right there), defeated all odds against Foreman and Liston etc. And this was during the time where heavyweights weren't fat as shit like modern heavies (Ruiz,Fury,Miller etc and half of the ranked contenders are out of shape) and actually fought frequently, and the best American athletes came to boxing, nowadays they all go for NFL lmao.
p4p means if he was in the same weight class as anyone he would beat them, guess who is number 1 p4p?
I agree with them all besides boxing and Mma. Great video nonetheless. I always support more samart payakaroon and buvasiar coverage
Jones and Ali ? 💀💀
@lechaatr193facts their the real goats
Aleksandr Karelin might be the most dominant athlete of all Time. Never has a man been so much on top of his art for so long …
Always great seeing Samart apprecitiation
He’s one of the best to ever do it!
Kinda sad to see petrosyan get head kick ko'd by superbon
GSP being the Mama Goat is what made me click. Truer words have not been spoken, Jon is a cheater and a scumbag, who used roids and blatant fouls inside the cage, including regular eye poles and other scummy tactics, not a Goat not even a Great, but merely a cheater and not someone to look up to...
Mighty mouse tf
Thats your personal opinion, this all just sounds like a massive cope if Im being honest…probably the best resume in the ufc, beat the most former/future champions, has the most title defenses, and never lost…you absolutely cannot say the same for gsp who was very clearly juicing at the time aswell
My the Kwon do coach competed in nationals in 2000, the 1st year tkd was in the Olympics. And the only person who could, and did beat him was Lopez. He ended up placing 3rd that year, and Lopez went on to take the 1st gold at the olympics
Professional Wrestling is a combat sport right??
No
If youre talking about wwe than no
Nah
It's predetermined, so no actual competition. If you want to say who has the best-looking wrestling in the match not counting victories, then you can probably say who is the best at that. Some of the best wrestlers, lost a lot of matches simply because who they wanted to push regardless of actual skill.
Miljan Lopez > Karelin > the entire world
No gi submission grappling - Gordon Ryan
No debate
where is david deluc for lethwai and are you going do one for armed combat sports like kali Archery, Shooting and fencing
Amateur boxing is Teofilo Stevenson and amateur wrestling is Alexandre Karelin !
The GOAT of Karate is named Hajime?
I know it means 'beginning' in Japanese, but since it is used a lot for Karate bouts, it feels like a case of nominative determinism
Not picking a heavyweight from the golden years of K1 as the kickboxing goat is super wrong.
petrosyan fought everybody and always won, only man to win k1 tournament back to back. He only has 3 losses, nobody is more technical than him, what are you on?
@federicobarroccu9341 Ernesto Hoost
It might be unfair but K-1s golden era having so many legendary heavyweights actually makes it harder to sell, because they all traded wins and losses amongst themselves and you couldn't really single one out, maybe Hoost by a little bit. But I did really consider putting Aerts in there.
DJ was close to being the undeniable goat of MMA but him leaving the UFC was the worst thing that could happen. We didn't get to see him defend against better competiton and he wasn't even old, he was THIRTY TWO when he was traded to OneFC and now he's already retired at 38. Imo DJ not like it's his fault or anything had some of the weakest challengers there's been for a UFC belt and it wasn't a good look for him losing to a contender in a weaker promotion when he was 35 despite the good rematch win.
You should've included Best Eyepokes and Ducking, and put Jon Jones in it lol
Out of all the "goats" in the mma goat debate, gsp has the best argument. Doesnt mean u cant think others are, but his argument is the hardest to break down in comparison to anyone without going full delusional
Bro were u struggling picking between GSP and Khabib? Or it was straight GSP?
khabib isnt even top 5. he wasnt in the conversation
@ dude I understand it is mostly personal preferences, but u can’t deny that Khabib is among goats.
Semmy Schilt should be the kickboxing GOAT 🐐
Hakuho Sho in Sumo Wrestling is a Goat of Goats. His records are nuts. He was a true outlier. A statistical anomaly.
Cael Sanderson is the GOAT of folk style wrestling
The best form of wrestling
The muay thai pick is diabolical
Kickboxing GOAT must be either Tyrone Spong or Ramon Dekkers
For kickboxing, I would have gone with Semmy Schilt.
Any of the big Dutch 3 could easily be considered the GOAT
@thecombatchronicler True enough. I just for some reason have a hard time putting Rico up there considering his fights with Badr. Meanwhile Semmy did amazingly in the rematch against him. But it's definitely debatable.
Saitiev is Chechen. My man, next time just ask me if you got any questions about Russia-Caucasus related combat sports athletes.
real shit for not taking a casual pick like khabib or anderson or even jon jones
How is Badr Hari not the kickboxing goat?
Hari lost alot should be hoost tho.
@@Matoi_ryuukoKLK Should be Buakaw, he is the reason modern K1 rules exist.
Got to train with Suberbon a short bit after he KO’d petrosyan. Rly sweet guy but he did demo an elbow on me and my life may or may not have flashed before my eyes
Boxing should be either Sam Langford or Harry Greb
GSP and Sugar Ray are based picks
I wish you had Dieselnoi, but I guess it’s just because he wasn’t as well known or recorded!
Volkanovski is the GOAT
His resume is not as good as gsp plus less title defenses
Id say he’s better than gsp but still not the goat
@@Scrumdumnwrong sir he has a significantly better resume its the title defenses that he lacks
@@Gfckin9 absolutely incorrect, your claim that Darrel Elkins, Chad Mendez, Jose Aldo, Holloway , Brian Ortega, zombie and Yair are NOT as impressive as Bisping, juiced jonny Hendricks, Diaz not so good but still a great name, Carlos condit, Jake shields, Thiago alvez, Matt Hughes, frank trigg. Plus only 2 losses which he aggressively avenged. That’s way more impressive than Volks resume
@@Scrumdumn what are you smoking? Sorry but aldo and max by themselves is already more impressive than gsps whole resume, anyone who actually watched the sport will disagree with you and probably laugh at your take…you’re saying carlos condit and jake shields like they hold a candle to anyone volks fought
folkstyle wrestling?
Jordan Burroughs
Clicked on this solely because you had GSP as goat and not Jones. Hell yeah
Gsp's Goat is Fedor emelianenko
Personally, Andy Hug is the kickboxing goat.
No because he lost too Ernesto hoost but rip Andy
@EdwardSmith-gs1xg i know, but you *can not* have a conversation about kickboxing GOATs without mentioning Hug, Aerts, Hoost, Smith and Cro Cop
@@alekslic3385 I agree
I love the pick, I actually think Hug would be a stronger contender for Karate than kickboxing.
its maruyama for judo, prime maruyama was a beast
You forgot Steven Seagal... GOAT of everything
GSP is the GOAT. Thank you
Aleksandr Karelin looks like Christian Bale