For some context on the Garen Viper vs V1per slide, Viper (from the LCK) recently said in an interview that he would like to play a 1 vs 1 against NA's V1per for the name "Viper". He stated that he would be willing to change his name should he lose. However, he followed up saying that he would only be willing to play the 1 vs 1 if both players were playing Garen. I have no idea if NA V1per replied, or even is aware of that KR Viper challenged him.
@@nostradamus4112 He wants to do it! I kinda want to see FlyQuest make it to MSI so they can make a big deal out of this on the broadcast and actually get it to happen. :P
The real question with c9: Would winning a split in NA again result in them leveling up their world's game even more and winning it all, or would it curse them to be just another NA team at worlds? Here's to finding out.
My real question is "was losing Jensen a blessing in disguise?" C9 never won a split with Jensen on their roster, now it looks like TL might not win the first split with him on their roster. I know he's a great player and all, but for me at least that seems pretty convincing that it isn't an org problem with Jensen....
I'm sorry. I just can't understand why people are sleeping on TL AGAIN this playoffs. Votes for C9 and TSM but not TL? No matter how bad TL looked during regular season, they always activated the play off buff and smashed playoffs. C9 has yet to take a single game off TL in playoffs since franchising. I'm not saying C9 and TSM aren't strong, because they are, but the recency bias really bothers me. TL obviously haven't been playing to their highest ability. I mean, if you were in their shoes, would you play your best knowing you locked in first and that none of the matches to come mean anything and you can instead just sit back? Plus, you wouldn't want to show all your tricks before playoffs. Idk. I just don't think TL can be disregarded that easily just because they lost 3 games when it didn't matter to them. No matter what though, playoffs will be fun to watch.
TL look worse and C9 and TSM look on par to what TL looked like when they were at their peak. I think you are underestimating how good C9 and TSM are right now.
@@kennethcaveny1552 no, I said they are really good, but I think people are UNDER estimating TL now for no reason. They lost 3 games that don't matter and people gave up on them? When they are the 2 time defenders? When they have never looked bad in playoffs and are upgraded this year. All the teams are on par with each other. But there should be more confidence in TL in my opinion.
Kenneth Caveny Given by how the matches are decided by the first place team... it’s clear that TL wins by default. The only scenario TL doesn’t win, is if they choose to play TSM in Semi’s (Assuming TSM make it that far), otherwise, TL wins by default. The matches might be good, might not, but in the end, TL wins.
All star team: Licorice Svenskeren Bjergsen this on is hard tbh because imo DL, Zven and Sneaky are all really good CoreJJ All star runner up team: Viper Xmithie Pob -||- Smoothie (Zeyzal is also really good)
Exibit A: Ardent Censer Meta.. Exibit B: Last year Summer Split, everyone was picking Rakkan, Braum, Kench, and Thresh. Alistar was there but really low and pales in comparison because of the Relic give. (everyone was picking Coin or Icedagger thing).
@@iSa_Ach Pretty sure people weren't picking Coin or Spellthief on Braum or Kench either though. Even on Thresh a lot of pros seem to favor Relic, only Rakan switched to spellthiefs at some point.
@@iSa_Ach In Proplay ardent meta hit far, faaar later as in Soloq. Like Ardent hit in Gauntlet/Worlds while before players just played Tanks. And even there Alistar had tiny counterplay as he also could go Ardent for his passive heals and was a strong engage to break threw it. But yea, Coinmeta and Braum Tahm beeign strong brought Alistar a bit down.
@@the_Haexler Buying Ardent for Alistar is hard, cuz he only heals when his passive hit 7 stacks either by skill or minions dying near him which is really unreliable unlike before in the Spring split - RiftRvals - preMSI, people were picking Karma, Lulu, Janna and Soraka. Multi heal were at the peak and tanks fell off cuz Tank support were being outhealed. This were the time when pros really protected support cuz of that broken Cencer. Then the nerfs happened, then Summer split - pros started taking their Mage - Midlane champs to bot lane which in turn supports started playing Braum, Kench, Rakkan, and Thresh cuz of protection and peel. Alistar last year was never meta. He was there but never an S tier or even A tier. It was a wierd split.
Am I the only one bothered by the fact that the arrows on the "This team or That team" DON'T MATCH THE COLOURS/DIRECTIONS OF THE ARROW OF THE LOGOS OR SCREEN AT ALL?
I think you should look at the impact vs xmithe question differently. I viewed it as in game, who can you exploit as the weakness to helping your team win. If impact is behind he still seemed to be viable. If xmithe falls behind...they lose. Xmithe is the weakness in my eyes.
@@akiniran6573 I'm going to have to disagree. There's some kind of mental block going on with doublelift when it comes to international events. C9 made it to semis in the "death group", yet to couldn't make it out of groups? TL is good enough, but doublelift chokes.
@@MixItUpFitness Not a mental block at all. The teams that usually make it out of NA usually have the smallest communication issues and typically have solid talent for NA. At worlds, you aren't playing against people who have these communication issues nor do you have the skill advantage. Every C9 team has went through different roster variation while TSM and even TL(Immortals for the most part) have stuck with the same core. The best C9 did was when another major region fell flat. They took advantage and did well till they got exposed.
TL actually has the best chance at winning it still. They have the easiest semi final and if the Rock Paper Scissors played out as expected, TL would face C9 in the finals which is their winning matchup.
It will be the same as last year. TSM will win first series then Liquid wont pick them and let c9 handle them first.And then they will talk about how they dont care about LCS because their goal is world and yet they afraid to pick a mere TSM
Bruh it’s called strategic planning, if you have shown weakness to a team and you have the opportunity to let them be eliminated by someone else you are stupid to not take that chance.
For the MVP I think Bjergsen should win it. Don't get me wrong Corejj is a very good player and make a lot of play, Bjergsen from a team that is in 8 place to the top 3 is unbelievable. If Bjergsen doesn't get I hope Smoothie get it, the young man deserve it. It's my opinion please don't rage at me.
I respect that and corejj, forget Beargsen, how about smoothie? he have been a monster in this season. despite the hard work, motivation this young man have and he haven't even won anything in NA, I feel like NA doesn't even appreciate his work at all. other team will bench him and doesn't give him a chance except TSM pick him right off the back. How ever CoreJJ is a champion, i just feel like sad for smoothie that all.
Grear episode really love cap on the show, but please fix your camera work. Usually its fine but in this episode it was abysmal especially when kobe was referencing the team logos or during the team this or team that slide (number 4) where they showed the exact opposite slide kobe/cap were eaxh referencing
If TL don't win playoffs or struggle at MSI again they need to do something about Impact. Teams have been exploiting him in the top lane for so long now, and even when they win I feel like he's been behind most of the game. It does seem like he's being left on an island up in the top lane and dies to ganks while getting few himself, maybe jungle presence is the issue. IDK. Just feel like TL could be a lot better if they had a more dominant top laner.
Except that isn't true. S6 Impact carried C9 at worlds. S7 Impact was solid at worlds. S8 he couldn't do much because poobelter and olleh were heavy. The big difference is on TL impact gets left out to dry. On C9, he was given attention. Xmithie is just a garbage jungler. They should look to replace him since he gets outclassed at worlds.
I don’t understand this back end bias against tl. They were literally LOCKED at first place with 2 weeks to go. C9 was fighting to hold the 2 spot, Tsm were fighting to take the 2 spot, flyquest fighting for playoffs, etc. All the other teams in the lcs had huge stakes to play for where tl didn’t. Are we all going to just forget that a worse tl team last year just destroyed playoffs in both splits? TL are HEAVY favorites for a third straight championship
I love this show but it really feels like they just listen to the dive podcast and make their questions based on that... like it's literally a summary of the latest dive episode.
i feel the same, seems like they dont understand what most VALUABLE player means, the fact that tl had the same succes with olleh shows that core jj doesn bring that much value into the team
Disagree. Bjergsen has other competition as a midlaner in LCS, He has a value in tsm coz they built the team around him. Corejj has no competition in his role in LCS that is how good he is.
"Brought Alistar back into the NA meta" NA hasn't had a week yet this season where Alistar didn't have some presence! Why the eff is this a reason for MVP? Last split NA had crazy Alistar presence as well! We're a region that likes teamfights, of course we're gonna pick Alistar, that isn't a reason to vote someone MVP.
Dash put his whole heart into it though thank you cap for giving him credit
I just wanna take a moment to say how good Captain Flower is doing in this show. Kobe and Cap is becoming my favorite duo. Keep Going guys!
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@@chowchow4642 Didn't ask for your didn't ask
@@railar3797 didn't ask for your didn't ask for your didn't ask
@@railar3797 deal with it
Best casting duos:
1. Kobe & Cap
2. T90 & Dave
3. MediVedi
For some context on the Garen Viper vs V1per slide, Viper (from the LCK) recently said in an interview that he would like to play a 1 vs 1 against NA's V1per for the name "Viper". He stated that he would be willing to change his name should he lose. However, he followed up saying that he would only be willing to play the 1 vs 1 if both players were playing Garen. I have no idea if NA V1per replied, or even is aware of that KR Viper challenged him.
na viper responded in an interview work olivee
@@archoflife5910 Way to leave us hanging....he responded with what answer?
@@nostradamus4112 He wants to do it! I kinda want to see FlyQuest make it to MSI so they can make a big deal out of this on the broadcast and actually get it to happen. :P
Cap stop calling That Slide This Slide!!
every single episode! he does it
that's how he rolls!
HAHAHA "i'm gonna go with this" pointing that, instantly went down the comment section to look up if someone noticed
Kobe does it a lot too the other way around
Hey Kobe, gotta remember that C9 put a tear in your eye when they made it to the world semi-finals! Believe!
cloud9 always been the best NA world championship team, but for playoffs they haven't won in like 5 years...
Hmm i wonder what will happen
AND THE FAITHFUL SHALL BE REWARDED!!
"Since 2014" - "That was 5 years ago"... I´m getting old
"CoreJJ brought alistar back into the North American meta"
*C9 supports crying in the corner*
C9 supports, LUL
@@chrishaugh1655 chris haugh LUL
Dash killed it. More respect needed.
I still miss Jatt, but this combo is a great one
Wickerrman where is jatt?
@@streetplayerist He's part of the balance and game design team now
Viper gonna clap Viper, in the words of Viper "That's it"
Or, in the words of another Viper: "Your journey ends here, Pilot. The skies belong to me. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide."
i have a man crush on kobe and his sophisticated glasses
Cap: I gotta be TSM Cap
*Next Slide*
-Better MVP Candidate? Bjergsen or CoreJJ
TSM Cap: CoreJJ
WTFFFFFFFFF
*cries in Jatt*
Yeah but he was saying TSM would do better in playoffs and that CoreJJ will get MVP of regular split. It makes sense
Dash’s dance moves were too swift for Kobie’s small peasant brain 😂 jk love you kobz
I love the rock/paper/sissor system with C9, TSM and TL.
C9>TSM>TL>C9
@MadMax TL said they're getting revenge on TSM
Jensen chokes in playoffs,
GL for TL then lmao.
@MadMax this time TL wont win
I bet on C9 or TSM
Scripted
i swear one of the hats in the song is the sounds that plays when u get a message on league. if not its similar. always have to go check hahahah
impact getting paid 1 million dollars a year to be a weakness to the team lmao
Hes played no where close to that
@@kingwrongs paid* and it was reported, like late 2017, that he indeed is on a million dollar salary.
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Chow Chow no life. Look how many times u commented
@@masterfist7148 took my 4 mins
I love C9, but TSM seems to be the strongest NA team right now ，BB akaadian duo is amazing
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^😂😂
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But who is better among the three? Chan Jack? TL or TSM or C9?
Dash killed it, ups for him for sure.
You guys are the best ! Love from France
5:43 just barely noticing they do this show inside the LCS arena
Yes huge synergy between meteors and crown. Kap
TSM
is
going
to
MSI
Are they going to be TL in playoffs?
Maybe next year
The real question with c9: Would winning a split in NA again result in them leveling up their world's game even more and winning it all, or would it curse them to be just another NA team at worlds?
Here's to finding out.
My real question is "was losing Jensen a blessing in disguise?" C9 never won a split with Jensen on their roster, now it looks like TL might not win the first split with him on their roster. I know he's a great player and all, but for me at least that seems pretty convincing that it isn't an org problem with Jensen....
NO WAY. Crumbz was fantastic in that vid, that dude is smooth af
I'm sorry. I just can't understand why people are sleeping on TL AGAIN this playoffs. Votes for C9 and TSM but not TL? No matter how bad TL looked during regular season, they always activated the play off buff and smashed playoffs. C9 has yet to take a single game off TL in playoffs since franchising. I'm not saying C9 and TSM aren't strong, because they are, but the recency bias really bothers me. TL obviously haven't been playing to their highest ability. I mean, if you were in their shoes, would you play your best knowing you locked in first and that none of the matches to come mean anything and you can instead just sit back? Plus, you wouldn't want to show all your tricks before playoffs. Idk. I just don't think TL can be disregarded that easily just because they lost 3 games when it didn't matter to them. No matter what though, playoffs will be fun to watch.
word.
TL look worse and C9 and TSM look on par to what TL looked like when they were at their peak. I think you are underestimating how good C9 and TSM are right now.
@@kennethcaveny1552 no, I said they are really good, but I think people are UNDER estimating TL now for no reason. They lost 3 games that don't matter and people gave up on them? When they are the 2 time defenders? When they have never looked bad in playoffs and are upgraded this year. All the teams are on par with each other. But there should be more confidence in TL in my opinion.
@@WorldinJeopardy yea, I think that any of the three have a good chance of winning
Kenneth Caveny Given by how the matches are decided by the first place team... it’s clear that TL wins by default. The only scenario TL doesn’t win, is if they choose to play TSM in Semi’s (Assuming TSM make it that far), otherwise, TL wins by default. The matches might be good, might not, but in the end, TL wins.
TSM takin the spring split
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7:52 if viper take the glasses out, the nose will get out too
Bjerg for MVP! What a beast.
I see TSM I click Like.
You see TSM lose and rant on Reddit
@@dr.strange5419 Is that you?
Ejay Mallari 😂😂😂😂
THE MAJOR DISRESPECT TO LICORICE With the slide of MVP candidate
Indeed Licorice deserves it way more then Bjergsen tbh, even though core is still my MVP
Kobe always going for the C9 slide. That's my boy
DASH KILLED THE KDA DANCE
this is a summary of the dive :)
Cptnflowers and Ted Danson, same energy.
"I like this guy" *Points at that guy*
Team This was 2018 echo fox with twice the SKT. Lineup would be lethal.
TSM BJERGSEN MVP.
this show is so fuckinbg good
In case any of you didn't know already, Chow Chow didn't ask.
Dash has the Sass and the Finesse. He deserves it.
TSM clap!
We're coming for that lcs title!
@@MadCowDiseased You know literally every fan of teams from every sport around the world do this. Do you think you were being clever?
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Idea for a future slide in ToT... Who is more lovesick? Kobe over Jatt or Quickshot over Deficio?
All star team:
Licorice
Svenskeren
Bjergsen
this on is hard tbh because imo DL, Zven and Sneaky are all really good
CoreJJ
All star runner up team:
Viper
Xmithie
Pob
-||-
Smoothie (Zeyzal is also really good)
It's like TSM Jatt never left
"brought Alistair back to the north american meta." Did i miss something, when wasn't Ali meta?!
Exibit A: Ardent Censer Meta..
Exibit B: Last year Summer Split, everyone was picking Rakkan, Braum, Kench, and Thresh. Alistar was there but really low and pales in comparison because of the Relic give. (everyone was picking Coin or Icedagger thing).
@@iSa_Ach Pretty sure people weren't picking Coin or Spellthief on Braum or Kench either though. Even on Thresh a lot of pros seem to favor Relic, only Rakan switched to spellthiefs at some point.
@@iSa_Ach In Proplay ardent meta hit far, faaar later as in Soloq. Like Ardent hit in Gauntlet/Worlds while before players just played Tanks. And even there Alistar had tiny counterplay as he also could go Ardent for his passive heals and was a strong engage to break threw it.
But yea, Coinmeta and Braum Tahm beeign strong brought Alistar a bit down.
@@the_Haexler Buying Ardent for Alistar is hard, cuz he only heals when his passive hit 7 stacks either by skill or minions dying near him which is really unreliable unlike before in the Spring split - RiftRvals - preMSI, people were picking Karma, Lulu, Janna and Soraka. Multi heal were at the peak and tanks fell off cuz Tank support were being outhealed. This were the time when pros really protected support cuz of that broken Cencer. Then the nerfs happened, then Summer split - pros started taking their Mage - Midlane champs to bot lane which in turn supports started playing Braum, Kench, Rakkan, and Thresh cuz of protection and peel. Alistar last year was never meta. He was there but never an S tier or even A tier. It was a wierd split.
MVP votes are a joke. Some years recency bias takes hold, some years people focus only on the first half. It's so sad to see.
Tsm forever
Imagine if TL got SSumday from 100T
impact and ssumday almost equal so idk
Am I the only one bothered by the fact that the arrows on the "This team or That team" DON'T MATCH THE COLOURS/DIRECTIONS OF THE ARROW OF THE LOGOS OR SCREEN AT ALL?
So much so I had to come and see if I'd be the first to comment about it or not
Rip Flyquest during quarters. The curse is real.
harry le this didn’t age well
5:08
"Oh you're going to try to smash my *_Sister!"_* Uhhhh…. we good here kobe? You making moves on Cap's sister or something?
wtf
LMAO That's gold xD
Sci... scissors... fam
quality
@@izzes nah I like sister more lol
I think you should look at the impact vs xmithe question differently. I viewed it as in game, who can you exploit as the weakness to helping your team win. If impact is behind he still seemed to be viable. If xmithe falls behind...they lose. Xmithe is the weakness in my eyes.
i always think xmithie and pob is tl weakness in 2018
@@akiniran6573 and it isn't to say they aren't good players! It's just addressing the team and finding a weakness to ensure a win.
@@MixItUpFitness they are good enough when they playing in na but their kill lvl are not enough to compete with other major region
@@akiniran6573 I'm going to have to disagree. There's some kind of mental block going on with doublelift when it comes to international events. C9 made it to semis in the "death group", yet to couldn't make it out of groups? TL is good enough, but doublelift chokes.
@@MixItUpFitness Not a mental block at all. The teams that usually make it out of NA usually have the smallest communication issues and typically have solid talent for NA. At worlds, you aren't playing against people who have these communication issues nor do you have the skill advantage. Every C9 team has went through different roster variation while TSM and even TL(Immortals for the most part) have stuck with the same core. The best C9 did was when another major region fell flat. They took advantage and did well till they got exposed.
TL actually has the best chance at winning it still. They have the easiest semi final and if the Rock Paper Scissors played out as expected, TL would face C9 in the finals which is their winning matchup.
Imagine TL losing to FLY in semis 😂 would be fun
Cap's looking good 😍
PLS MAKE THIS OR THAT LEC EDITION
Where is my "Hide and Seek with Kobe and Phreak" Show?
Like for finals Tsm vs Flyquest
?
I would love that actually.
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Aw yes my fathers return
Cap really stepping into jatts shoes
TL's top jungle will get absolutely smashed at MSI and Worlds if they make it
yup by asian teams
@@ItsRawrTopia and by European teams
Even Cap and Kobe couldnt lie and say grf viper wont win that 1v1. They slightly undersold how insane he is.
And I present you the Hanma Janken Style
In the C9A roster shot, the middle dude's face looks off, like sumthing out of We Happy Few.
It will be the same as last year. TSM will win first series then Liquid wont pick them and let c9 handle them first.And then they will talk about how they dont care about LCS because their goal is world and yet they afraid to pick a mere TSM
Bruh it’s called strategic planning, if you have shown weakness to a team and you have the opportunity to let them be eliminated by someone else you are stupid to not take that chance.
TL will still get smashed at worlds and MSI (if they make first in NA) tbh 😂 like every year DL is bad outside of NA - in NA he is still good
I think , if both vipers are at all-star viper vs v1per will happen.
Dash really practised lmao
Zeyzal is so underrated. I'll take him over CoreJJ all day!
Garen is the only champion that has never been played in the LCK so I give the edge to V1per
I am a scissors man myself 👀
Wow 2014 was 5 years ago
TSM!!
ssumday,lira,crown,bang,corejj
C9 are geniuses. Now c9 can sell their main or academy roster next split
their*
@@Blingii_LoL didn't ask
Aint winning shit tho. You do get paid way too much in sponserships if you win something
Why do they keep having to do it to em?
Every This or That, they do it to em and nobody has picked up on it.
hide and seek with kobe and phreak pls
Why don't they just number the slides? Like, just put a little number in a top corner.
For the MVP I think Bjergsen should win it. Don't get me wrong Corejj is a very good player and make a lot of play, Bjergsen from a team that is in 8 place to the top 3 is unbelievable. If Bjergsen doesn't get I hope Smoothie get it, the young man deserve it. It's my opinion please don't rage at me.
I respect your opinion, but even I don't see a world why they deserve it over CoreJJ.
I respect that and corejj, forget Beargsen, how about smoothie? he have been a monster in this season. despite the hard work, motivation this young man have and he haven't even won anything in NA, I feel like NA doesn't even appreciate his work at all. other team will bench him and doesn't give him a chance except TSM pick him right off the back. How ever CoreJJ is a champion, i just feel like sad for smoothie that all.
Spring 2018, Smoothie was playing godlike, and Aphromoo got it, because he had some great games near the end of the split.
What happened to jatt?
i'll give the KDA Dance to my boy Dash.. cuz i literally spit my coffee when i saw him dancing :3
TL to purchase Licorice next split.....
Bjerg MVP all day.
im a simple spanish man, they say numero uno i press like.
No cap
Grear episode really love cap on the show, but please fix your camera work. Usually its fine but in this episode it was abysmal especially when kobe was referencing the team logos or during the team this or team that slide (number 4) where they showed the exact opposite slide kobe/cap were eaxh referencing
team THAT would win for sure. Only Bang is better than Stixxay
7:10 xpeke.
If TL don't win playoffs or struggle at MSI again they need to do something about Impact. Teams have been exploiting him in the top lane for so long now, and even when they win I feel like he's been behind most of the game. It does seem like he's being left on an island up in the top lane and dies to ganks while getting few himself, maybe jungle presence is the issue. IDK. Just feel like TL could be a lot better if they had a more dominant top laner.
Except that isn't true. S6 Impact carried C9 at worlds. S7 Impact was solid at worlds. S8 he couldn't do much because poobelter and olleh were heavy. The big difference is on TL impact gets left out to dry. On C9, he was given attention. Xmithie is just a garbage jungler. They should look to replace him since he gets outclassed at worlds.
Cloud9 fans Scared at slide 2
Bjergsen is the best in NA, mvp bjergsen
I don’t understand this back end bias against tl. They were literally LOCKED at first place with 2 weeks to go. C9 was fighting to hold the 2 spot, Tsm were fighting to take the 2 spot, flyquest fighting for playoffs, etc. All the other teams in the lcs had huge stakes to play for where tl didn’t. Are we all going to just forget that a worse tl team last year just destroyed playoffs in both splits? TL are HEAVY favorites for a third straight championship
7.5 seconds of invulnerability or .75 seconds? XD
its 7.5 with ult zhonyas and a eventual extra stopwatch
Is it me or does cap sound like phreak
I love this show but it really feels like they just listen to the dive podcast and make their questions based on that... like it's literally a summary of the latest dive episode.
Can't wait for TSM to destroy C9 and TL
Regarding MVP literally, CoreJJ isn't even close to Bjergs VALUE.
i feel the same, seems like they dont understand what most VALUABLE player means, the fact that tl had the same succes with olleh shows that core jj doesn bring that much value into the team
Disagree. Bjergsen has other competition as a midlaner in LCS, He has a value in tsm coz they built the team around him. Corejj has no competition in his role in LCS that is how good he is.
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he is much closer than people let on imo, but not better obvs
@@ru2225 the closest support to corejj at LCS would probably be Zeyzal and thats just because of his synergy with sneaky and good shotcalling.
9:11
6:19 shouldn't he be called 'that' guy
9:11 hmmm
"Brought Alistar back into the NA meta" NA hasn't had a week yet this season where Alistar didn't have some presence! Why the eff is this a reason for MVP? Last split NA had crazy Alistar presence as well! We're a region that likes teamfights, of course we're gonna pick Alistar, that isn't a reason to vote someone MVP.
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