Or it might be because you have been using a pozidriv screwdriver. The one he is using is not actually a phillips screwdriver. Pozidriv is likely to strip phillips screws.
Kind of going off topic but while you're ordering online, get one of those neji saurus pliers from Japan, or it's called vampliers in U.S. market. They're so useful
I work on older Sony computer equipment, JIS is a must, it is not a myth about destroying JIS screw-heads with a Phillips driver, I see the aftermath most days.
I bought a set of these when I rebuilt the carburetor on my motorcycle, it makes what would have been a very frustrating task, surprisingly easy. The Ninja 250 forums say that for the larger JIS screws, some people have gotten by using sheetrock screwdriver bits.
I went through this philips vs JIS differences few years back. Since I bought a JIS set and I have not striped any screws on electronics. You will be surprised how snug a JIS screw driver fit in a JIS screw. they are perfect match.
Even better if you get one with a magnetic tip - I have a JIS 00 screwdriver with a magnet in it and it has saved me so much hassle trying to align a screw with the threads, or to grab a screw that has fallen in the bowels of whatever electronic device I am working on.
That "phillips" screwdriver you showed sure looked like a Pozidriv screwdriver to me..... Another type of screwdriver many people don't realize exist. In the automotive industry, I still see quite a few Pozidriv screws holding things like taillights in, however most epople use a Phillips or JIS screwdriver in them not knowing there's a difference.
Taking note of these JIS screwdrivers! Thanks! I'm closer to the Hudson River.. Also in N.J.. Yeah yesterday was 63F.. Very Spring like! Today Winter is back but not bad at 44F.. Enjoy your videos as always!
Thanks for the info Kevin. I'm going to get myself a set.I always wondered why I just couldn't find the exact fitting screwdriver for some screws, now I know!
If you need some JIS drivers quickly and cheaply, Amazon sells those Chinese 56 bit driver sets for about $14 currently. Mine has J1 through J000. It also has Pentalobe, Torx, and small nut drivers. Perfect for noodling around your PC case.
It took me a minute to comprehend that the radio station's call letters are WRFM. I was hearing it as "WR-FM" and kept wondering what the other two letters were.
Ah very helpful. I've stripped many screws and never knew what I was doing wrong. Now I know. Thanks. Also, when I was a little kid I took things apart to see what was inside, including the family toaster. They were most displeased
I feel stupid for not knowing what the JIS drivers in my toolkit were for, and now I get it. Thanks for this, I already notice them being a lot easier on the screws in electronics stuff.
Who thought it would be a good idea to have 3 different standards that are similar but incompatible to one another? It's just nothing but trouble. For smaller fasteners such as in electronic devices, I much prefer Torx. Hard to strip and requires negligible downward force to prevent cam-out. Also like Robertson screws though you hardly see them used anywhere outside of the Canadian construction industry.
This may be the single most useful youtube video I've seen this year. I shudder to think of all the little screws I brute-forced out of plastic electronics cases over the years when I could have done it right... HAD I ONLY KNOWN! *Off To The Amazon!!!*
I bought some Japanese hand tools from ebay and it only took one week to arrive. Also, i think the JIS head is alternately described as 'cross head'. You can find many assortment sets of hex bits on ebay for around 6 dollars for a whole set. I bought some excellent apex brand cross head bits and they really do fit and drive much better.
Still love using my Pioneer DIGITAL ANALOG cassette deck. It makes my cheap recordings sound better then they where. Pioneer had some good tech back then. Too bad a Digital/Analog converter wasn't an optional add on device like BDX or Dolby.
Thanks for this video, didn't know about this. I have one of those little pen screwdriver things (probably the same one Big Clive has) and it uses JIS, but it's still marked Philips, so I guess not even the (cheapo) tool manufacturers know about it.
In a pinch, I find it works just fine to go up a size or two if you are using phillips to remove a JIS screw. Won't help to adjust azimuth or other small spaces tho.
The JIS standard is dead for screwdrivers (not for the screws themselves). Most if not all of the JIS screwdrivers being sold new from Japan (such as the Hozan ones in this video), do not officially state they are compliant to the JIS B 4633 standard, because they are actually compliant to ISO 876-1/DIN 5260. This is a unifying standard meant to produce screwdrivers that are competently able to handle both JIS and Phillips screw heads. You may find it easier to find a reasonably priced screwdriver advertised under this standard from a locally sold brand. To be clear, JIS B 1012, which defines the screws themselves, is still in use, but manufacturers build screwdrivers to a ISO/DIN standard now (instead of the JIS B 4633 screwdriver standard for JIS 1012 screws), that is equally capable of handling JIS, Phillips and pozidrive heads. In fact, Hozan on their website advertise those same product number drivers seen on Amazon [www.amazon.com/Hozan-JIS-4-JIS-Screwdriver-3rd/dp/B00A7WAHTU ] as Phillips head drivers!! [www.hozan.co.jp/cycle_e/catalog/screwdriver/D-530.html ]. You may simply have older or cheaper screwdrivers which aren't using the ISO/DIN standard. But there's no reason to pay so much money to get drivers from Japan when if you go to your local hardware store you could likely find the same thing if you look carefully enough.
IIRC, the Philips driver got it's start in the auto industry in the 1930s (I believe Cadillac was an early adopter.) It makes the cam out feature logical for design intended for power driving, rather than hand driving.
Amazes me that there are OTA stations besides VOWR that play Beautiful music. Got in a cab the other day and the driver had VOWR on and they were playing this style of music. Great recording.
Yep, bought a set specifically to work on my motorcycles and scooters. Couldn't find any local at all, so bought a set from a website called ikas about 10 years ago.
That $18 for the set of Hozan screwdrivers translates to about $26 if you happen not to live in the US, and you have to be VERY careful: when sorting "best match" on eBay, there's both a listing with a $7 or so shipping cost, and one with free shipping, but the latter is for *flat blade* screwdrivers, not JIS as the listing says! There is a set of real JIS screwdrivers with free shipping, but one must sort by something other than "best match" to see it readily. It's interesting to note that it costs around $7 to ship from Japan, and yet shipping from the US is nearly the same $26 as the list price.
I've been using an iFixIt screwdriver set for as long as I remember, I've never had an issue with that regarding stripping screws, just as long I use the size. I do not think I would switch now but if this video came out a few years ago I would've definitely bought this. My old screwdrivers just couldn't stop ruining every screw I used them with! I ended up using a drill for most things because of how unreliable those were!
WOW! Thanks so much VWestlife. I never knew there was such such a thing as JIS screws. (I actually know the struggle of finding a proper screwdriver for azimuth alignment screws quite well)
JIS screws on Quantum drives used to be signified by a dimple on one edge of the head of the screw. it has been a long time since I've seen JIS screws used in modern electronics, and if they are, they're easy to miss since the dimple is apparently part of the identification standard for them, and most cheap stuff from china and the like usually negate this screw, such as on most laptop screws. Luckily, most driver + bit kits that are a knockoff of what you can get from ifixit off amazon or ebay for about 12-15 bucks (Oria comes to mind) almost always come with a set of at least 4 JIS bits ranging in size from J000 to J1.
Not a great idea, Plus ruining a good Philips driver for no real gain. decent JID drivers don't cost much more than good Phillips drivers. Better to just get the right tools.
Wow, informative video. I was actually never aware of JIS, how old of equipment do you think they used it in? I have a Kenwood receiver, my main amp in my Hi-Fi setup, from the late 60s-early 70s which I always have issues getting the tiny screws on the top of the case out of. Could these be JIS? I've only ever been aware of Pozidriv and Philips so that's what I have in my tools. Interestingly the large screws on the side seem to have no trouble with my size #2 philips drivers.
And then there is the Posidriv screw, which was also developed by the Philips screw company, and commonly used on HP/Agilent/Keysight test equipment. www.finehomebuilding.com/2015/09/16/what-is-the-difference-screw-bits-phillips-vs-pozidriv
I have learned so much by just trying. Fact is, I'm Still trying with little improvement in most everything. (what Not to do) =\ - It's All the Tools Fault, I'm sure! But, Not Now! =) Thanks! . . . one down - This is more fun than trying to find someone to build extended section on roof. No Trust!
LOL... yup. I've been there. I started calling my data backup CDs "Stuff" and when I got tired of that I moved on to "Crap". Much after my "Crap 8" CD backup I just stopped naming them all together.
For those watching, in case you haven't seen the other comment mentioning it, that's a pozidriv in the example, not a philips ua-cam.com/video/cN6ytqSNzkI/v-deo.html
Hey, that's my set of 4... Though I even got the Hozan stubby too; sadly the marking all rubbed off, it's just the black stubby now. No more "Hozan D-69 'DUDE!'" jokes. EDIT: Also, get a "Pozi" set as well as a phillips/flat(standard) set. And hollow grind a second flat set to do gunsmithing... Okay, maybe not the hollow ground flats.
Japanese call these "plus" drivers. Vessel is probably the best brand. But as long at it is a JIS standard it will be good. I worked for Japanese companies for 30 years
You're comparing a JIS with a POZIDRIVE, not a Phillips. POZIDRIVE won't work in a Phillips screw. Phillips isn't great in a Pozidrive screw. Phillips doesn't really work in a JIS screw. JIS works just fine in a Phillips screw, but not so well in a Pozidrive screw. Don't you wish there was just one standard?
Whoa I had no idea JIS even existed, and that it's not actually compatible with Phillips! I just so happen to have some JIS screwdrivers that came with a set and I didn't know it. I just thought Phillips had a quadrillion different shapes and sizes and I always hated Phillips screws because of that. Personally, I'd like it if everyone used Robertson heads. There aren't trillions of sizes with billions of very similar but incompatible heads, they fit much better than anything else, and they don't strip (unless you're practically trying to make it strip).
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That’s why I stripped countless screws. Ordering a set immediately thanks!
Or it might be because you have been using a pozidriv screwdriver. The one he is using is not actually a phillips screwdriver. Pozidriv is likely to strip phillips screws.
Kind of going off topic but while you're ordering online, get one of those neji saurus pliers from Japan, or it's called vampliers in U.S. market. They're so useful
@@jort93z and vise versa
I work on older Sony computer equipment, JIS is a must, it is not a myth about destroying JIS screw-heads with a Phillips driver, I see the aftermath most days.
3:24 That tape recording name though
Well, it doesn't lie!
I would actually love to get a copy...
VWestlife put up a video of the whole tape: ua-cam.com/video/XlL6KJAnxP4/v-deo.html
Shit, it ain't up no more.
0:46 that is a Pozidrive PZ, not Phillips PH.
I bought a set of these when I rebuilt the carburetor on my motorcycle, it makes what would have been a very frustrating task, surprisingly easy. The Ninja 250 forums say that for the larger JIS screws, some people have gotten by using sheetrock screwdriver bits.
I went through this philips vs JIS differences few years back.
Since I bought a JIS set and I have not striped any screws on electronics.
You will be surprised how snug a JIS screw driver fit in a JIS screw. they are perfect match.
Even better if you get one with a magnetic tip - I have a JIS 00 screwdriver with a magnet in it and it has saved me so much hassle trying to align a screw with the threads, or to grab a screw that has fallen in the bowels of whatever electronic device I am working on.
That "phillips" screwdriver you showed sure looked like a Pozidriv screwdriver to me..... Another type of screwdriver many people don't realize exist. In the automotive industry, I still see quite a few Pozidriv screws holding things like taillights in, however most epople use a Phillips or JIS screwdriver in them not knowing there's a difference.
Taking note of these JIS screwdrivers! Thanks! I'm closer to the Hudson River.. Also in N.J.. Yeah yesterday was 63F.. Very Spring like! Today Winter is back but not bad at 44F.. Enjoy your videos as always!
Thanks for the info Kevin. I'm going to get myself a set.I always wondered why I just couldn't find the exact fitting screwdriver for some screws, now I know!
Shimano bike parts such as derailleurs also use jis for adjustment screws, so useful there too.
As always: I Learn something new with every clip you upload... Just ordered a set of screws JIS000; JIS00; JIS0; JIS1..
These screwdrivers are much nicer to screws. I use them to repair Tamagotchis and have never stripped a screw with them.
i thinking that the torx screw is better.
If you need some JIS drivers quickly and cheaply, Amazon sells those Chinese 56 bit driver sets for about $14 currently. Mine has J1 through J000. It also has Pentalobe, Torx, and small nut drivers. Perfect for noodling around your PC case.
It took me a minute to comprehend that the radio station's call letters are WRFM. I was hearing it as "WR-FM" and kept wondering what the other two letters were.
It's worth buying a set if you're a cyclist who likes to maintain your own bike. The adjustment screws on your derailleurs are probably JIS.
Ah very helpful. I've stripped many screws and never knew what I was doing wrong. Now I know. Thanks.
Also, when I was a little kid I took things apart to see what was inside, including the family toaster. They were most displeased
I feel stupid for not knowing what the JIS drivers in my toolkit were for, and now I get it. Thanks for this, I already notice them being a lot easier on the screws in electronics stuff.
Who thought it would be a good idea to have 3 different standards that are similar but incompatible to one another? It's just nothing but trouble.
For smaller fasteners such as in electronic devices, I much prefer Torx. Hard to strip and requires negligible downward force to prevent cam-out. Also like Robertson screws though you hardly see them used anywhere outside of the Canadian construction industry.
This may be the single most useful youtube video I've seen this year. I shudder to think of all the little screws I brute-forced out of plastic electronics cases over the years when I could have done it right... HAD I ONLY KNOWN! *Off To The Amazon!!!*
Thanks for this video, VWestlife. I easily get confused between the two types.
@ 0:56 , this is definitly NOT a Philips driver! This is a Pozidrive, and these are made for wood-screws in carpentry.
I will probably never put this information to any use, but it's still good to know :D Thank you!
like the tape name vwestlife
Shieeeeet :)
"Mixed Easy Shit" lol
This explains so much... Thank you for this information!
who else has been watching vwestlife's back catalog lately for old time's sake?
Nice tip on how to improve my screwing technique .... Thanks.
I saw a video mentioning these literally 2 hours ago and now I see this video too
WHY didn't I find this video until now? I've stripped countless screws and this whole time I just needed different screwdrivers?
I bought some Japanese hand tools from ebay and it only took one week to arrive. Also, i think the JIS head is alternately described as 'cross head'. You can find many assortment sets of hex bits on ebay for around 6 dollars for a whole set. I bought some excellent apex brand cross head bits and they really do fit and drive much better.
Still love using my Pioneer DIGITAL ANALOG cassette deck. It makes my cheap recordings sound better then they where. Pioneer had some good tech back then. Too bad a Digital/Analog converter wasn't an optional add on device like BDX or Dolby.
Thanks for this video, didn't know about this. I have one of those little pen screwdriver things (probably the same one Big Clive has) and it uses JIS, but it's still marked Philips, so I guess not even the (cheapo) tool manufacturers know about it.
Ohh... and there was me thinking that the screws were bad quality when I was using the wrong screwdriver!
Well now I know the type of screws they are that was very informative. Wonder what the red stuff they lock screw is
Thread locker? ? I'm guessing
In a pinch, I find it works just fine to go up a size or two if you are using phillips to remove a JIS screw. Won't help to adjust azimuth or other small spaces tho.
thank you for the very important information.
The JIS standard is dead for screwdrivers (not for the screws themselves). Most if not all of the JIS screwdrivers being sold new from Japan (such as the Hozan ones in this video), do not officially state they are compliant to the JIS B 4633 standard, because they are actually compliant to ISO 876-1/DIN 5260. This is a unifying standard meant to produce screwdrivers that are competently able to handle both JIS and Phillips screw heads. You may find it easier to find a reasonably priced screwdriver advertised under this standard from a locally sold brand. To be clear, JIS B 1012, which defines the screws themselves, is still in use, but manufacturers build screwdrivers to a ISO/DIN standard now (instead of the JIS B 4633 screwdriver standard for JIS 1012 screws), that is equally capable of handling JIS, Phillips and pozidrive heads.
In fact, Hozan on their website advertise those same product number drivers seen on Amazon [www.amazon.com/Hozan-JIS-4-JIS-Screwdriver-3rd/dp/B00A7WAHTU ] as Phillips head drivers!! [www.hozan.co.jp/cycle_e/catalog/screwdriver/D-530.html ].
You may simply have older or cheaper screwdrivers which aren't using the ISO/DIN standard. But there's no reason to pay so much money to get drivers from Japan when if you go to your local hardware store you could likely find the same thing if you look carefully enough.
$18 is nothing for a set of screws
IIRC, the Philips driver got it's start in the auto industry in the 1930s (I believe Cadillac was an early adopter.) It makes the cam out feature logical for design intended for power driving, rather than hand driving.
I never knew this. Thanks for the info!
Amazes me that there are OTA stations besides VOWR that play Beautiful music. Got in a cab the other day and the driver had VOWR on and they were playing this style of music. Great recording.
Not anymore. That recording of WRFM is from the early 1980s.
Yep, bought a set specifically to work on my motorcycles and scooters. Couldn't find any local at all, so bought a set from a website called ikas about 10 years ago.
That $18 for the set of Hozan screwdrivers translates to about $26 if you happen not to live in the US, and you have to be VERY careful: when sorting "best match" on eBay, there's both a listing with a $7 or so shipping cost, and one with free shipping, but the latter is for *flat blade* screwdrivers, not JIS as the listing says! There is a set of real JIS screwdrivers with free shipping, but one must sort by something other than "best match" to see it readily.
It's interesting to note that it costs around $7 to ship from Japan, and yet shipping from the US is nearly the same $26 as the list price.
+1 for Hozan. They make excellent tweezers as well.
looks like the jis is almost like pozidrive angle but without the extra 'wings' as a pozi has, sort of 'in between'
Another day lived, another lesson learnt.
this is why we should all use Frearson, or "Reed and Prince". every size driver fits every size screw.
I've been using an iFixIt screwdriver set for as long as I remember, I've never had an issue with that regarding stripping screws, just as long I use the size. I do not think I would switch now but if this video came out a few years ago I would've definitely bought this. My old screwdrivers just couldn't stop ruining every screw I used them with! I ended up using a drill for most things because of how unreliable those were!
OMG, that tape name is hilarious!
WOW! Thanks so much VWestlife. I never knew there was such such a thing as JIS screws. (I actually know the struggle of finding a proper screwdriver for azimuth alignment screws quite well)
So, we all need some JIS in our toolbox, right?
JIS screws on Quantum drives used to be signified by a dimple on one edge of the head of the screw. it has been a long time since I've seen JIS screws used in modern electronics, and if they are, they're easy to miss since the dimple is apparently part of the identification standard for them, and most cheap stuff from china and the like usually negate this screw, such as on most laptop screws. Luckily, most driver + bit kits that are a knockoff of what you can get from ifixit off amazon or ebay for about 12-15 bucks (Oria comes to mind) almost always come with a set of at least 4 JIS bits ranging in size from J000 to J1.
Learned something new today. Thanks!
JIS - Japanese Industrial Standard.
Our normal Phillips will most of the time destroy the crew heads, shred those simply.
"Mixed easy SHIT"... what a great name for a tape
Good to know. Thanks.
Since most electronics is now made in PRC, do they have own screw standard?
Can't you just grind down the tip of a Phillips driver?
The shape is still not exactly the same even if you do.
look closely at the diagram @2:29 and you will see one has straight sides down to the point and the other is curved.
Not a great idea, Plus ruining a good Philips driver for no real gain. decent JID drivers don't cost much more than good Phillips drivers. Better to just get the right tools.
WRFM stereo 105 went out in the mid 1980s . Bet you all miss it.
Sound advice. Expensive but worth it. Pay once and save by not wrecking expensive gear countless times after.
Hey, waiting for your reaction to Westlifes new song "Hello My Love" 😁😁😁
I just learnt something new! I’ve been working on stuff for 40 years and this JIS screw driver thing never came up.
Can’t you just file the tip down on the philips screwdriver?
The shape is still slightly different even if you do.
Wow, informative video. I was actually never aware of JIS, how old of equipment do you think they used it in? I have a Kenwood receiver, my main amp in my Hi-Fi setup, from the late 60s-early 70s which I always have issues getting the tiny screws on the top of the case out of. Could these be JIS? I've only ever been aware of Pozidriv and Philips so that's what I have in my tools. Interestingly the large screws on the side seem to have no trouble with my size #2 philips drivers.
The JIS B 1012 screw design was introduced in 1985.
A cassette deck with digital processing? Sort of defeats the object of using cassettes :)
And then there is the Posidriv screw, which was also developed by the Philips screw company, and commonly used on HP/Agilent/Keysight test equipment. www.finehomebuilding.com/2015/09/16/what-is-the-difference-screw-bits-phillips-vs-pozidriv
Good information! Amazon link?
Just search for JIS screwdrivers.
I didn't know , but now I know.
I keep meaning to get a set of JIS screwdrivers, I just keep forgetting and buying other stuff off ebay to take to bits... :P
I have never in my life ever heard of JIS, I always thought philips was philips and thats what I always used with no issues? so thats new.
I have exactly that set of JIS!
I have learned so much by just trying. Fact is, I'm Still trying with little improvement in most everything. (what Not to do) =\
- It's All the Tools Fault, I'm sure! But, Not Now! =) Thanks! . . . one down -
This is more fun than trying to find someone to build extended section on roof. No Trust!
Well thanks alot for that info, i had no idea 👍
Any recommendations for removing a JIS screw you accidentally stripped?
A JIS screwdriver of the proper size will have the best chance of removing it without needing to drill it out.
LOL... yup. I've been there. I started calling my data backup CDs "Stuff" and when I got tired of that I moved on to "Crap". Much after my "Crap 8" CD backup I just stopped naming them all together.
Nice to know, thanks!
I use them all the time at work.
For those watching, in case you haven't seen the other comment mentioning it, that's a pozidriv in the example, not a philips ua-cam.com/video/cN6ytqSNzkI/v-deo.html
*This* *Does* *Not* *Compute* brought me to this video.
Hey, that's my set of 4... Though I even got the Hozan stubby too; sadly the marking all rubbed off, it's just the black stubby now. No more "Hozan D-69 'DUDE!'" jokes.
EDIT: Also, get a "Pozi" set as well as a phillips/flat(standard) set. And hollow grind a second flat set to do gunsmithing... Okay, maybe not the hollow ground flats.
Japanese call these "plus" drivers. Vessel is probably the best brand. But as long at it is a JIS standard it will be good. I worked for Japanese companies for 30 years
Hey I have some really nice fisher speakers
I bought these driver only 4 31.00 and change like them work like you said
very informative
#InTheMoodToRelax
And lets just throw pozidrive in the mix too :).
Sorry but ima stick with my ifixit screw driver set since it does the job perfectly without any issues tape decks or projectors
3:23 "Warning: DREADFUL Muzak crap version of La Vie En Rose".
why not torx scraws?
Because that's not what I'm talking about.
Don't need any screwdrivers to adjust the music streaming service. :->
I'm just glad you didn't pronounce it Jizz
Or even worst, Jazz..
The Japanese pronunciation is "jisu", but the "u" is generally devoiced so it ends up more like "jiss"
You're comparing a JIS with a POZIDRIVE, not a Phillips. POZIDRIVE won't work in a Phillips screw. Phillips isn't great in a Pozidrive screw. Phillips doesn't really work in a JIS screw. JIS works just fine in a Phillips screw, but not so well in a Pozidrive screw. Don't you wish there was just one standard?
Never heard of JIS. I know PH and PZ, but JIS? Interesting...
The announcer sounds like MacOS Ken Ray
Rarely not the second person on videos, but here am!
I do mine the MEXICAN way
Just use a normal screw drive and a medication organizer
TheTexasOOF Gamer That medication organizer idea sounds like a good one!
Whoa I had no idea JIS even existed, and that it's not actually compatible with Phillips! I just so happen to have some JIS screwdrivers that came with a set and I didn't know it. I just thought Phillips had a quadrillion different shapes and sizes and I always hated Phillips screws because of that. Personally, I'd like it if everyone used Robertson heads. There aren't trillions of sizes with billions of very similar but incompatible heads, they fit much better than anything else, and they don't strip (unless you're practically trying to make it strip).
Screw Phillips!!! :-)
Tfw you're first and have no idea what to comment so ...
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