Didn't watch the full vid yet MrHardcore but I read that article & I gotta say for the players who really want the feature of controlling multiple party members, the article was a pretty bad excuse lol Taking away agency in the name of combat being too fast paced, clearly signifies that Bioware is not targeting the crpg / tactical crowd anymore (at least in terms of gameplay mechanics). I think I woudl just prefer them admitting that rather than writing articles like this.
Man, that sucks for fans of that tactical style. Honestly I'd just rather hack and slash. I'm just not patient enough to plan a well thought out attack, taking into consideration flanking, enemy strengths/weaknesses and buffs/debuffs. And if I'm super honest i don't think I'm that smart. 😅 I think this change is to cater to more casual players like myself. If there's a new developer out there who wants to start a new RPG IP this could be a huge opporutunity for them. I know there are still lots of fans out there who love that tactical, turn based play loop. This could be a chance to capture that audience.
Funny that they tout catering for every type of player and play style, whilst limiting the main play style that brought in their core audience, decades ago.
The primary reason that being able to control multiple characters was good was that it allowed you to experiment with multiple builds and playstyles at the same time. You can have you main dps 2 handed warrior reaver but at the same time see how a ranged assassin or a rift mage felt to play as. It also allowed you to coordinate your part to create some insane combos. Pull the enemies together with your rift mage, freeze them with a frost mine, then shatter them with a heavy blow from your reaver. But no, I guess they will just be sitting in the back, doing whatever they want and quipping.
I would love to see Bush's reaction to BG3's combat/gameplay. She must have had a traumatic experience during the prologue, controlling 4 characters. Oh, the horror!
So you can't do anything your existing and the companions are the most important and are mandatory but you have zero impact for the battlefield but dont worry choices are forced in for "shippers" as they are more important as the intended market with cosplayers
Dragon Age 2 looks faster and way more in depth when it comes to combat based on the DAV trailer l guess these Devs never played as a Rouge in DA2 like seriously that game was cracked even made Inquisition look slow but we can’t handle DAV ? Seriously more high paced combat then previous installment’s ? We playing Guitar Hero Boys !
Yeah that kinda annoying to tell even new gamers and medium or old gamers it's to hard for you Can you imagined if Dark Soul's And Elden Said That to it's gamers 😂 they dismantle the devs for even saying that it's like telling gamers blood magic is to much for you to handle so we are taking it out of the game permanently because we think your slow and stupid
Honestly, I always thought DA2 combat looked very silly. Everything felt so exaggerated, it felt like a cartoon. Not to mention nothing felt like it had any weight at all. Also, waves of enemies kinda ruined planning aspects. And almost every fight had waves. I've played da2 several times, and on the hardest difficulty. I really don't see how it has more depth tha. DAV gameplay trailer.
We can't control companions, the companions are less than in previous games, we won't have an inventory, the gameplay sucks, we can't use blood magic any more, the abilities from 10 came down to 3. What kind of a shit game is this?
@@DGenHero Everybody knows thst by now..That Busch guy said it in one interview..Can't remember where but search about it and you'll see. That's why I'm so angry about all this situation as the DA is my fav trilogy...
I'll tell you exactly why. Because despite the game not being a "live service" game, it will 100% still have heavy live service implementations and they want you to stay playing the games to see the other classes rather than play as the companions that have it. This game started off as live service. Not a single part of my mind believes they truly took out all the live service implementation.
I'll wait until it's on sale I don't really want to support Veilguard.. doesn't feel like Dragon Age anymore. Veilguard is like a haircut you didn't want, asking the hairdresser for a bob haircut and end up with a Nick Carter haircut from the 90s back when Backstreet boys were young.
"Our mistake is your failure" Ahhh bullshit. I was fighting Reapers and flocks of mutated chargers and what not in real time while commanding my companions.
So let me get this straight, you take a squad based rpg w it's own character creator and remove all of it? How do these people get jobs? Whoever idea this was needs to own it and be fired once this fails which it obviously will. I hate "rpgs" that give me to use a premade character, especially frigging rook! EPIC FAIL
So, they did implement party control at one point. I wonder how difficult it will be to add party control with mods since that stuff is already built just hidden.
why? well simply put the current devs at bioware have zero skill or talent, lets not forget that if the game was called anything other than dragon age nobody would pay any attention to it. No swapping to party members, no party hud/hp/mana, limited to 3 abilities and 2 ''companions'' who are literal braindead meathshields at best.... all that for generic and boring hack and slash action gameplay, bioware bros its over.
Them basically telling me, the PLAYER, I don't get to decide how this fight goes. The game is gonna play itself how it wants to because fake characters have choices or some shit🙄.
Jesus, bro - I was sure that Bioware had finished actively trying to fail after ... ...i honestly can't remember the name of the freaking game... The people who are working there very-clearly don't like the old games, but they can't admit that the new IP (trash) that they make doesn't sell anything. I'm sorry, but these are cowards who are changing something to fit their personal preferences while nakedly lying about why. I'm so sick of all the dishonesty.
DA2 has pretty fast paced combat and the player has the choice to control other party members. There are people who play it on nightmare without pausing or controlling party members. They are clearly full of manure and don't understand the older games. Just as you say having the choice doesn't mean the player has to do that.
Remember, this game is for modern audience. They barely handle one character let alone three. Imagine four like in previous games, that would be disaster. God bless for Larian, its our last hope.
sounds like they made a game for no one. excuse me? I can't handle controlling a full party? I could before with past titles and other games. sounds more and more like this is a mobile game they are pushing out on platforms. silly button mashing combat with no pattern. they made the combat so easy anyone can handle it. no death? ok. why limit me to who I can control during battle? limited selection of skills? this really seems like the worst dumbed down version of Dragon Age so far. who's this game for if you took away all the fun? btw love the music playing in the background of the video.
I Hope there just trolling if not this is pretty bad if they have a Team new team making a RPG game that knows Zero about RPG games is kinda bad coming from a Bioware game is crazy Hopefully they can fix some stuff taking some core gameplay away from what a Bioware game is Not good Hopefully they can make a comeback kinda like Bethesda
I think they're under the impression that their audience are "bioware" fans. I'm not a fan of mass effect at all. I felt out of place in the first ME game when it felt like one of those arcade shooters where enemies poke their head out
Next, they are going to say your character has too much going in. The new game mechanic is to smash X or A the entire time and the game AI will do everything for you. What a great experience
Their test persons where probably tourists; what I've seen in the previews is not so fast that most players couldn't place a companion in between and give him an order; ...and in addition there are true and tried methods like slow-motion or time-out or pre-combat tactical settings.
I have the feeling that the gameplay was designed for MP and they just ad an ability wheel for your comoanian like the ME Trilogy. Andromeda even dropped that.
This's very predictable, 99 % of players don't control the companion in all previous dragon age games, They only controls the protagonist all times. This franchise supposed to be Tactical taking control of all companion during combats, 1 Tanking or two, 1 Damager or 2 & 1 controller ( mostly mages).
Bruh i cant stand this mentality of "I cant do this so i dont want to let anyone else try" that's so popular nowadays. So what if someone sucks at a game? Not every game is for everyone and when you try to cater and pander to eighty different crowds, they all just look on in disgust. Smh.
@@MrHardcoreModeI do not see that as a bad thing because if they say it is good it is hope because they actually know what they are talking about that could not be said if they choose a lot of the people talking badly about dragon age the veilguard because a lot of them do not know any about the dragon age series or its lore so picking people who actually know what they are talking about and they will call out any bad shit
This game is all about the less the more I hear about it the less features they seem to offer no companion control no blood mage class to many red flags for me to pre order it
The ai combat of the companions didn't really look that good in the gameplay trailer either. You'll be fighting everything in order to safeguard your useless companions.
They are patetic new Bioware, old Bioware people left long ago, so new devs hired from diverse quota dont know how code complex skils and companions .What they do copypaste from mass effect andromeda fight system ,what they know dating sims,diverse woke cringe so they do that diverse dating sim with coped mass effect andromeda fighting system and plaster on that Dragon Age name .
In the first two I barely ever controlled other party members, I got more comfortable by 3 but still focused on my main. That being said, this is lame, everyone.
![[HARD RANT] Companions of dragon Age Veilguard](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bM90m15_zEc/mqdefault.jpg)
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![[HARD RANT] Dragon Age Veilguard? Why I feel nothing....](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/573iri-OlCQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Didn't watch the full vid yet MrHardcore but I read that article & I gotta say for the players who really want the feature of controlling multiple party members, the article was a pretty bad excuse lol Taking away agency in the name of combat being too fast paced, clearly signifies that Bioware is not targeting the crpg / tactical crowd anymore (at least in terms of gameplay mechanics). I think I woudl just prefer them admitting that rather than writing articles like this.
Bioware did not make the article and the literally said this months ago...
Man, that sucks for fans of that tactical style. Honestly I'd just rather hack and slash. I'm just not patient enough to plan a well thought out attack, taking into consideration flanking, enemy strengths/weaknesses and buffs/debuffs. And if I'm super honest i don't think I'm that smart. 😅 I think this change is to cater to more casual players like myself.
If there's a new developer out there who wants to start a new RPG IP this could be a huge opporutunity for them. I know there are still lots of fans out there who love that tactical, turn based play loop. This could be a chance to capture that audience.
Leaving everything to target a new audience is a weird move @@captainbuzzkill4658
@@captainbuzzkill4658 remember hack n slash with no inventory management...
Funny that they tout catering for every type of player and play style, whilst limiting the main play style that brought in their core audience, decades ago.
EXACTLY
"My money. My choice." I wont touch it, even free.
The primary reason that being able to control multiple characters was good was that it allowed you to experiment with multiple builds and playstyles at the same time. You can have you main dps 2 handed warrior reaver but at the same time see how a ranged assassin or a rift mage felt to play as. It also allowed you to coordinate your part to create some insane combos. Pull the enemies together with your rift mage, freeze them with a frost mine, then shatter them with a heavy blow from your reaver. But no, I guess they will just be sitting in the back, doing whatever they want and quipping.
I would love to see Bush's reaction to BG3's combat/gameplay. She must have had a traumatic experience during the prologue, controlling 4 characters. Oh, the horror!
Do you actually think these people actively play video games?
Let's assume they do, and, given her last work engagement at EA was Sims 4 - no more than 1 sim per family
So you can't do anything your existing and the companions are the most important and are mandatory but you have zero impact for the battlefield but dont worry choices are forced in for "shippers" as they are more important as the intended market with cosplayers
Dragon Age 2 looks faster and way more in depth when it comes to combat based on the DAV trailer l guess these Devs never played as a Rouge in DA2 like seriously that game was cracked even made Inquisition look slow but we can’t handle DAV ? Seriously more high paced combat then previous installment’s ? We playing Guitar Hero Boys !
Yeah that kinda annoying to tell even new gamers and medium or old gamers it's to hard for you
Can you imagined if Dark Soul's And Elden Said That to it's gamers 😂 they dismantle the devs for even saying that it's like telling gamers blood magic is to much for you to handle so we are taking it out of the game permanently because we think your slow and stupid
Honestly, I always thought DA2 combat looked very silly. Everything felt so exaggerated, it felt like a cartoon. Not to mention nothing felt like it had any weight at all. Also, waves of enemies kinda ruined planning aspects. And almost every fight had waves. I've played da2 several times, and on the hardest difficulty. I really don't see how it has more depth tha. DAV gameplay trailer.
@@theelderworm913410 years no innovation to the combat system based on the gameplay trailer.
@@AdmiralElite To be honest, Dav looked like more interesting gameplay than da2. But da2 is a very low bar, so that's not saying too much I suppose
We can't control companions, the companions are less than in previous games, we won't have an inventory, the gameplay sucks, we can't use blood magic any more, the abilities from 10 came down to 3. What kind of a shit game is this?
We won't have an inventory? Where have you heard that?
@@DGenHero Everybody knows thst by now..That Busch guy said it in one interview..Can't remember where but search about it and you'll see. That's why I'm so angry about all this situation as the DA is my fav trilogy...
@@aspavazoura5523 You can collect resources though to upgrade your equipment. So I have no idea where you're getting we have no inventory.
I'll tell you exactly why. Because despite the game not being a "live service" game, it will 100% still have heavy live service implementations and they want you to stay playing the games to see the other classes rather than play as the companions that have it.
This game started off as live service. Not a single part of my mind believes they truly took out all the live service implementation.
On a scale from 1 to Donald Duck, how useless will these NPCs be?
I'm guessin it'll be Dolan Duck
I'll wait until it's on sale I don't really want to support Veilguard.. doesn't feel like Dragon Age anymore.
Veilguard is like a haircut you didn't want, asking the hairdresser for a bob haircut and end up with a Nick Carter haircut from the 90s back when Backstreet boys were young.
"Our mistake is your failure" Ahhh bullshit.
I was fighting Reapers and flocks of mutated chargers and what not in real time while commanding my companions.
GreedFall 2 plays more like Dragon age than Dragon age Veilguard lol
So let me get this straight, you take a squad based rpg w it's own character creator and remove all of it? How do these people get jobs? Whoever idea this was needs to own it and be fired once this fails which it obviously will. I hate "rpgs" that give me to use a premade character, especially frigging rook! EPIC FAIL
So, they did implement party control at one point. I wonder how difficult it will be to add party control with mods since that stuff is already built just hidden.
Thought the same thing.
BG music 30% lower or set your mic on the side you are reading from. No hate, pure "accessibility" observation.
yeah i noticed. i was like omg thats the last time i do that lmao! thanks
why? well simply put the current devs at bioware have zero skill or talent, lets not forget that if the game was called anything other than dragon age nobody would pay any attention to it. No swapping to party members, no party hud/hp/mana, limited to 3 abilities and 2 ''companions'' who are literal braindead meathshields at best.... all that for generic and boring hack and slash action gameplay, bioware bros its over.
yeah like just admit that you suck and TRY to make a good game. and if you cant well you wont be working at bioware for long
Them basically telling me, the PLAYER, I don't get to decide how this fight goes. The game is gonna play itself how it wants to because fake characters have choices or some shit🙄.
Jesus, bro - I was sure that Bioware had finished actively trying to fail after ...
...i honestly can't remember the name of the freaking game...
The people who are working there very-clearly don't like the old games, but they can't admit that the new IP (trash) that they make doesn't sell anything.
I'm sorry, but these are cowards who are changing something to fit their personal preferences while nakedly lying about why.
I'm so sick of all the dishonesty.
DA2 has pretty fast paced combat and the player has the choice to control other party members.
There are people who play it on nightmare without pausing or controlling party members.
They are clearly full of manure and don't understand the older games.
Just as you say having the choice doesn't mean the player has to do that.
Remember, this game is for modern audience. They barely handle one character let alone three. Imagine four like in previous games, that would be disaster. God bless for Larian, its our last hope.
28:14 🤣 Atill better than the trailer and gameplay reveal
sounds like they made a game for no one. excuse me? I can't handle controlling a full party? I could before with past titles and other games.
sounds more and more like this is a mobile game they are pushing out on platforms. silly button mashing combat with no pattern. they made the combat so easy anyone can handle it. no death? ok. why limit me to who I can control during battle? limited selection of skills? this really seems like the worst dumbed down version of Dragon Age so far. who's this game for if you took away all the fun?
btw love the music playing in the background of the video.
I Hope there just trolling if not this is pretty bad if they have a Team new team making a RPG game that knows Zero about RPG games is kinda bad coming from a Bioware game is crazy Hopefully they can fix some stuff taking some core gameplay away from what a Bioware game is Not good Hopefully they can make a comeback kinda like Bethesda
I think they're under the impression that their audience are "bioware" fans. I'm not a fan of mass effect at all. I felt out of place in the first ME game when it felt like one of those arcade shooters where enemies poke their head out
Next, they are going to say your character has too much going in. The new game mechanic is to smash X or A the entire time and the game AI will do everything for you. What a great experience
Their test persons where probably tourists; what I've seen in the previews is not so fast that most players couldn't place a companion in between and give him an order; ...and in addition there are true and tried methods like slow-motion or time-out or pre-combat tactical settings.
I have the feeling that the gameplay was designed for MP and they just ad an ability wheel for your comoanian like the ME Trilogy. Andromeda even dropped that.
An example of games de-evolving, and not in a good way.
Thankfully Larian didn't think this way.
They pooped in its pants
This's very predictable, 99 % of players don't control the companion in all previous dragon age games, They only controls the protagonist all times.
This franchise supposed to be Tactical taking control of all companion during combats, 1 Tanking or two, 1 Damager or 2 & 1 controller ( mostly mages).
I don't understand why everyone is mad about this now when we knew this months ago.
Going final fantasy route to try get action adventure with rpg elements crowd over rpg ones . I hope it works out
Bruh i cant stand this mentality of "I cant do this so i dont want to let anyone else try" that's so popular nowadays. So what if someone sucks at a game? Not every game is for everyone and when you try to cater and pander to eighty different crowds, they all just look on in disgust. Smh.
the play testers are some of the dragon age fans who were randomly chosen but only fans the people who have been a fan of dragon age for a long time
so loyalist? great
@@MrHardcoreModeI do not see that as a bad thing because if they say it is good it is hope because they actually know what they are talking about that could not be said if they choose a lot of the people talking badly about dragon age the veilguard because a lot of them do not know any about the dragon age series or its lore so picking people who actually know what they are talking about and they will call out any bad shit
@@legomaster6201 you got a point
Cause it's going in a more mass effect 2 direction which was a amazing game so wait and see how the game turns out
Playing BG3 music whenever you talk about DAVG is nasty work. 😂
Soo... its will be something like Dragons Dogma? When it comes to companions.
Not quite. the amount of times the AL has saved me in Dogma 2 is very high and there weird antics just make them better
This game is all about the less the more I hear about it the less features they seem to offer no companion control no blood mage class to many red flags for me to pre order it
The ai combat of the companions didn't really look that good in the gameplay trailer either.
You'll be fighting everything in order to safeguard your useless companions.
Hi. So it`s 100% certain at this point?
unfortunately yes.
I sincerely hope they cancel veilguard and give it to a new team. I hate literally everything about it
Corn and Bush needs to go play Animal Crossing. And be fired, and replaced by someone who cares ☝️
The whole vibe of this game is off to me, and I hate the demon redesign they look awful
Dragon Age The Kangiskhanzses
They are patetic new Bioware, old Bioware people left long ago, so new devs hired from diverse quota dont know how code complex skils and companions .What they do copypaste from mass effect andromeda fight system ,what they know dating sims,diverse woke cringe so they do that diverse dating sim with coped mass effect andromeda fighting system and plaster on that Dragon Age name .
I think the music could be turned down to 50% volume. It's as loud as your voice.
New Bioware Devs flopped on this game, it's a pass for me.
Bro
In the first two I barely ever controlled other party members, I got more comfortable by 3 but still focused on my main. That being said, this is lame, everyone.
So this is 100% a pile of shit in dragon age clothing. Sounds like none of the old mechanics are even going to exist.
The background music is terrible
I like Mass effect and I like Dragon Age. I don't need either franchise to be more like the other
Because console players have 1 brain cell for 1 button and pressing more buttons requires more than 1
choice matters you are right