Even earlier testimony than Origen: "For He came to save all through means of Himself - all, I say, who through Him are *born again* to God - *infants, and children,* and boys, and youths, and old men." -Irenaeus (c. 189 AD) "The children shall be baptized first. All of the children who can answer for themselves, let them answer. If there are any children who cannot answer for themselves, let their parents answer for them, or someone else from their family." -Hippolytus (c. 215 AD)
Be sure to look into the infant baptism of one of the great saints in Orthodoxy, raised in a Christian home, John Chrysostom. There are quite a number of others like that as well. And then ask why....
though a rather strange format I thoroughly enjoyed that video and especially the words from some of the early church fathers. Every time I read or hear them it is so inspiring. I need to get some of these books this guy has and do some light reading. As a Baptist convert to Catholicism myself some of my conversations with my Protestant friends and coworkers inevitably touch on instant baptism. I need more of this tangible early church fathers support. Fascinating! Thanks.
Last night my friends and I were wondering what the church fathers said about infant baptism; this morning this video popped up on my friend’s UA-cam feed. Do you think God answered our question?
A quick browse of your other videos' thumbnails makes me think this is the only video in this style 😢 Please make more and your channel will grow. This video is like the patristic version of How to Be Christian.
12:39 - Is there a hole in Cyprian's argument here in paragraph 3.1? 2 Kings 4:18 shows that this child was old enough to be outside working on the farm. So when he died and Elisha revived him, he wasn't an infant anymore
Amazing stuff and accurate historical evidence. Glory to God for all discoveries. Hope that this opens some people's eyes to infant baptism and the practice of the early church.
Why not start with the church in Acts instead of Tertullian- no clear description of infant baptism in Acts? Households yes, but in all examples they understood and had faith. Infants can't understand the gospel message.
@@concrete3030 As far as infallible rule, yes, but certainly not the only authority established by the Apostles and Jesus (elders, teachers, parents, government, etc). But, I think every tradition recognizes that the new testament writings were uniquely inspired for our guidance.
@swilliams7850 So in the bible can you descbabe who were in the households and They're personal Professional faith for each of them in each of the households? You can not so you are assuming who, how many, their ages, and their believes. You can not do that. But as one of your requirements you do believe that a person must "believe" in the Lord to be baptized as said in Mark 16.16
@@concrete3030 I don't have names, but everyone who was baptized accepted the message (obedience to Christ and His forgiveness). I suspect some were quite young, but there is no example in the bible or in traditional writings that, say, an 8 day old infant has any understanding to the point where God will condemn them if they don't respond. As Paul puts it, the law came alive to him (understanding) and it condemned him. So, he needed to respond.
@swilliams7850 I'm glad you brought up 8 day old infants.. because according to early writing by Cyprian and 66 other Bishops the only argument that was put to rest was to baptize before 8 days old or wait. The judgement of the Church was not to wait.. As far as scripture.. Jesus even says little ones, which include infants, "believe".. Matthew 18.6. They do not believe like we do but Jesus says they believe. They should be baptized
So if there really _is_ a need in infants in the sense Tertullian references, why is it that so many early Christian saints raised in Christian homes, including John Chrysostom, were not baptized as infants?
@@Bible33AD If any infant has at least a Christian father who regards his new son or daughter as being in peril of eternal damnation outside of a faith-by-proxy baptism, and yet does not see to it done by hook or crook, then he must not be quite a Christian that the histories claim. That would render either the accounts or the Christians involved questionable.
Ted “Wells”, You put me in your time machine and sent me back what, 1600 to 1800 years? Then you drove the Morlocks (sp.) back in their tunnels and sealed the sites! Although a sprinkling would have sufficed I have to say I was thoroughly immersed. Thanks so much.
Tertullian then says “let them first learn how to ask for salvation” lol and come with haste is saying, hey, they are innocent and are not needing to be baptized as infants.
baptism should be reserved for those who first make a profession of faith in Jesus Christ. This view is known as believer’s baptism, or “credobaptism.” Jesus was baptized by John (Matthew 3:13-17; Luke 3:21) and taught His disciples to baptize those who repented of their sins, believed in Him, and received salvation in His name (Acts 2:4, 38; 9:17-18; Matthew 28:19). Those who hold to believer’s baptism see it as an important initial act of obedience that a person makes after accepting Jesus as Lord-baptism is a public testimony of faith. And baptism by immersion clearly shows one’s identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (see Acts 2:38-41; 16:29-34; and Romans 6:3-4). Pouring or sprinkling, the method used in infant baptism, fails to illustrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
@@Naturecraft645 he was talking about his desire that they should inherit the kingdom and be with God. So yes, that’s not only the core of baptism but it’s the very essence. Important how Christ says “Do not hinder”… perhaps then we should not take measures to disallow them the kingdom.
@@Naturecraft645 so Jesus was just blowing smoke when he said, “Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” ???? I don’t know Christ to blow smoke, ya know…
Wow, Potential is the most knowledgeable Baptist ever in regard to church history. You gotta give him credit where credit is due.
Yeah that is the reason why I never in 1000 years believe that guy would actually be a Baptist 😂😂😂
This channel deserves far more attention then what it has.
Great stuff.
Amen
Even earlier testimony than Origen:
"For He came to save all through means of Himself - all, I say, who through Him are *born again* to God - *infants, and children,* and boys, and youths, and old men." -Irenaeus (c. 189 AD)
"The children shall be baptized first. All of the children who can answer for themselves, let them answer. If there are any children who cannot answer for themselves, let their parents answer for them, or someone else from their family." -Hippolytus (c. 215 AD)
I can't believe that Infant Baptism is true. This is so sad, Alexa play "Oceans" by Hillsong to celebrate.
I’m an Orthodox inquirer and I find this immensely informative and funny! Great content, thank you. Glory to God in all things.
Be sure to look into the infant baptism of one of the great saints in Orthodoxy, raised in a Christian home, John Chrysostom. There are quite a number of others like that as well. And then ask why....
Glad to see youve uploaded another video. Please! keep up the good work.
though a rather strange format I thoroughly enjoyed that video and especially the words from some of the early church fathers. Every time I read or hear them it is so inspiring. I need to get some of these books this guy has and do some light reading. As a Baptist convert to Catholicism myself some of my conversations with my Protestant friends and coworkers inevitably touch on instant baptism. I need more of this tangible early church fathers support. Fascinating! Thanks.
You should do one on predestination.
Im already starving for more! Wishing I lived in Rochester.. LOL
Seeking Baptist here.
Great video!
#Based phone drop
Last night my friends and I were wondering what the church fathers said about infant baptism; this morning this video popped up on my friend’s UA-cam feed. Do you think God answered our question?
Great video!
LOL, new favorite channel!! It's like looking in a mirror. So much "potential" ( pun intended)! Keep up the great work! Will browse your other videos.
Is he a professor, or why is he so funny. Anyway, the content is offered in such an incredibly interesting way
You have 2 house phones?
What year was this video made? 1999?
Anyone else see Gavin Ortlund in this Mr. Spam?
I love this Ted 😂😂😂😂😂. Miss you all in Rochester tho
This video is awesome!
A quick browse of your other videos' thumbnails makes me think this is the only video in this style 😢 Please make more and your channel will grow. This video is like the patristic version of How to Be Christian.
How am I just finding this channel? Great stuff and Potential... what a sport huh?
Thanks brother.
12:39 - Is there a hole in Cyprian's argument here in paragraph 3.1?
2 Kings 4:18 shows that this child was old enough to be outside working on the farm. So when he died and Elisha revived him, he wasn't an infant anymore
Romans 10:9; Ephesians 2:8-10; Romans 1:20
I love that his name is "Potential" ❤ He really does have so much of it.
using tertullian as argument against infant baptism blows up in their face
because he also says unmarried people should not be baptized 🤣
Amazing stuff and accurate historical evidence. Glory to God for all discoveries. Hope that this opens some people's eyes to infant baptism and the practice of the early church.
KEEP PREACHING
Entertaining and informing. Reminds me of the dialog with trypho the Jew. This is a piece of art.
This was phenomenal. Thank you!
I have that same green lamp on my desk
This is awesome!
lol
I enjoyed this ngl
Based Origen.
Love your work. Keep it coming.
Why not start with the church in Acts instead of Tertullian- no clear description of infant baptism in Acts? Households yes, but in all examples they understood and had faith. Infants can't understand the gospel message.
Do you believe in "Bible Only?"
@@concrete3030 As far as infallible rule, yes, but certainly not the only authority established by the Apostles and Jesus (elders, teachers, parents, government, etc). But, I think every tradition recognizes that the new testament writings were uniquely inspired for our guidance.
@swilliams7850 So in the bible can you descbabe who were in the households and They're personal Professional faith for each of them in each of the households? You can not so you are assuming who, how many, their ages, and their believes. You can not do that.
But as one of your requirements you do believe that a person must "believe" in the Lord to be baptized as said in Mark 16.16
@@concrete3030 I don't have names, but everyone who was baptized accepted the message (obedience to Christ and His forgiveness). I suspect some were quite young, but there is no example in the bible or in traditional writings that, say, an 8 day old infant has any understanding to the point where God will condemn them if they don't respond. As Paul puts it, the law came alive to him (understanding) and it condemned him. So, he needed to respond.
@swilliams7850 I'm glad you brought up 8 day old infants.. because according to early writing by Cyprian and 66 other Bishops the only argument that was put to rest was to baptize before 8 days old or wait. The judgement of the Church was not to wait..
As far as scripture.. Jesus even says little ones, which include infants, "believe".. Matthew 18.6. They do not believe like we do but Jesus says they believe. They should be baptized
So if there really _is_ a need in infants in the sense Tertullian references, why is it that so many early Christian saints raised in Christian homes, including John Chrysostom, were not baptized as infants?
Coz they came to Christ later. As adults
@@Bible33AD If any infant has at least a Christian father who regards his new son or daughter as being in peril of eternal damnation outside of a faith-by-proxy baptism, and yet does not see to it done by hook or crook, then he must not be quite a Christian that the histories claim. That would render either the accounts or the Christians involved questionable.
This was comedy gold
This was quite entertaining and informative. That Baptist fellow sounded hauntingly familiar.
If you showed up in 200 AD with that theory, they wouldn’t recognize you as a Christian.
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Ted “Wells”, You put me in your time machine and sent me back what, 1600 to 1800 years? Then you drove the Morlocks (sp.) back in their tunnels and sealed the sites! Although a sprinkling would have sufficed I have to say I was thoroughly immersed. Thanks so much.
Favorite new channel! Thanks @Veritas.
7:50 are you sure those 14 months mean months after birth or does it mean months after baptism as it is traditional among many Christians?
Tertullian then says “let them first learn how to ask for salvation” lol and come with haste is saying, hey, they are innocent and are not needing to be baptized as infants.
From where can i get some of those gorgeous looking books you have behind you in other videos?
Amazing video man, took notes on all of it. God bless you.
Thank you for this video it really does help.
This may be funny but it's not an honest handling of the fathers or history.
Another excellent video!
I love it, god bless ✝️
This channel is fantastic.
Brilliant and funny 😂
😂❤😂❤😂❤
baptism should be reserved for those who first make a profession of faith in Jesus Christ. This view is known as believer’s baptism, or “credobaptism.”
Jesus was baptized by John (Matthew 3:13-17; Luke 3:21) and taught His disciples to baptize those who repented of their sins, believed in Him, and received salvation in His name (Acts 2:4, 38; 9:17-18; Matthew 28:19). Those who hold to believer’s baptism see it as an important initial act of obedience that a person makes after accepting Jesus as Lord-baptism is a public testimony of faith. And baptism by immersion clearly shows one’s identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (see Acts 2:38-41; 16:29-34; and Romans 6:3-4). Pouring or sprinkling, the method used in infant baptism, fails to illustrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Superb as always
More please 😊
Wow oh wow ❤️
Jesus was using the “let the little children come to me” as a parable about having christlike faith, and it has nothing to do with infant baptism.
According to who’s interpretation? What authority does that interpretation have?
@@perryellison5255 Does Jesus use the word or imply baptism when he is talking about the children?
@@Naturecraft645 he was talking about his desire that they should inherit the kingdom and be with God. So yes, that’s not only the core of baptism but it’s the very essence. Important how Christ says “Do not hinder”… perhaps then we should not take measures to disallow them the kingdom.
@@perryellison5255 That is based on another assumption, that baptism provides salvation. Believing in Jesus is the only way to salvation
@@Naturecraft645 so Jesus was just blowing smoke when he said, “Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” ???? I don’t know Christ to blow smoke, ya know…
Derived from German
The guy doing these videos has incredible charisma. Wish there was more content, been learning a lot.