I wanted to watch the condensed version as well as the long form. Reverend Reality has the best synthesis of the predicament and how to find the goodness in the grief.
I watched your Daniel Dancer video you recommended. You read Daniel's emails. I loved what you read near the end that Daniel wrote: "taking a big picture long view of it all, that will rise in 1, 10, 100 million years out into the future, the detritus of the human project might just be a very good thing..." I love this! When I was "alone" in my knowledge in 2006 after I learned about methane hydrates ( I am a Chemist so I understood this literally as a punch in the gut), I would imagine the deep time of the past and "the greater thou" 's future. In 20 million years, new species will flourish in new, vacated niches (hopefully). In 500 million years, the Sun will start parching the Earth. That leaves 480 million years for unchallenged biodiversity perhaps.
@@thegreatstory Thanks, Rev! I watched the Q&A with Guy and Kevin where you had asked ?s about coping. You mentioned 4 drivers and I concur. I'll summarize as overshoot and green overshoot. Even this Iron salt aerosols (reverse heating) is a type of overshoot and I don't think it will be adopted in time. I know you discuss many scientific drivers as well. 3 such drivers that I am thinking now will outpace mitigation efforts (although I am all for mitigation efforts) are methane hydrates&permafrost, the latent heat sticky wicket vis-a-vis loss of cryoshpere and wet bulb temps (including El Nino.)
this is a topic that is coming up more in conversation i hope you don't mind but when people ask me what i think i'm going to refer them to your channel you explain it much better then i do and in much more detail so thanks
The most informed and polite doomer on the air. GM lost all his buddies. Your path has increased yours. Funny how that is. The next 10 years will be off the charts crazy. ❤️❤️🌎❤️
And we are waiting for the next video clip. It feels like something really bad is about to happen, and that we had a good long breath before the ugly one...
"Something really bad" has been happening to primal and indigenous folk for quite a long time, as best I can tell. Thanks for taking time to watch this "cliff notes" version. Since you mentioned finding the written word more to your liking than videos... if you're interested, here are two relatively short texts that will give you a sense of where I'm coming from: (1) Overshoot: Where We Stand Now - guest post written by me for Dave Pollard's blog: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/ (2) Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723
After my mother drinking herself to death when I was 10, my father going bad on drugs and having the police take me away from him when I was 11, then ending up in a foster home run by a prescription drug addicted parent, I can't wait for this civilization to collapse. I got to learn the hard way at a young age how our society (or civilization, or whatever you want to call it) really functions (I.e. having an excellent Reserve Military career, but not allowing myself to be used as cannon fodder during the recent wars). I've been prepping for it most of my adult life, so when it gets really bad, I can't wait.
I'm afraid that the 1st sentence in your first slide may be in need of revision. It says that "No one needs convincing..." Remember your own hindsight bias, and remember that the 1st step in the grieving process is denial. Millions upon millions still need convincing... I work with a handful of them.
One thing that helps me today is not taking for granted all the things our clever use of fossil fuels have given us. Clean hot and cold water piped right to our homes and nicely flushed right back out. Cars running on well maintained roads. Time for people to study science. Mechanical labor to replace slavery. More civil equality. On and on and on. But still I can get angry about what's going away soon. And sad.
Hi Reverend Reality: if your LESS (less energy, stuff, stimulation) idea takes off, any thoughts on how to minimize a financial meltdown? (due to reduced tax revenue and increasing government debt from the decision to purposely consume less and reproduce less)
I know your comment is from a few months ago, but if you're not aware of the concepts of degrowth and doughnut economics, I would highly recommend reading up on them. Both of them deal with the required change in our economic system if we are to minimise the harm caused by a contracting economic system. A planned reduction of economic activity and resource use can be done, but only if the economy is run on a needs basis, instead of a profit basis. Jason Hickel is the guru of degrowth and Kate Raworth created the doughnut economics principle.
I appreciate and agree with much of this message, but I don’t know if I’ll every get to a place where I don’t blame conspicuous consumers. This message seems geared towards the privileged who have generally refused to change their consumptive lifestyles to the detriment of life on earth as we know it, and not the poor who will bear the brunt.
No, Adriana, it's actually geared to people like you. I suggest watching it again, without multi-tasking and at normal speed. Note, especially the two slides toward the beginning AND at the end re "Feelings associated with Acceptance" and "Feelings associated with not-acceptance." We're all toast. Your judgments are, of course, valid. AND they're worse than useless. They just disempower and make you miserable. Yes?
@@thegreatstory no I'm not miserable, but thanks for your projection. I'm planting trees in the spring and fall and working in my community to build resiliency strategies through permaculture design. Humans have a general problem that they can't wrap their heads around this slow destruction (sometimes it's fast!), and so the grasshoppers continue to make like it will always be spring in our fragile consumer world where everything is available nearly instantaneously. Most of the press reinforces this consumption and people, especially the wealthy, continue to shop, and consume more than their fair share of the earth's resources to keep themselves in the lifestyles they believe they deserve, without ever considering the ecosystems and communities that are mined and enslaved to make their life possible. It's what happens when the consequences of our lifestyles are offshored and easy to ignore. Capitalism sees no limits to growth just like the cancer it is, and how apropos that here we are on the 50th anniversary of Donella Meadows' groundbreaking book, Limits to Growth. Squandering our inheritance and true health and wealth is cool! Conservation be damned.
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Hey Mike, I would recommend checking Peter Joseph's podcast : Revolution Now! He explains the possibilities and the trends we should follow as well as a full analysis of the current system behavior. He doesn't waste any time, no doubt one of the most brilliant mind of our times.
Feel free to recommend this video (or better yet, the more complete one) to Peter and see if he wants to interview me. ua-cam.com/video/IeDcreVILTE/v-deo.html I would LOVE to discuss our overlaps and divergences! (I agree he's brilliant.)
Thank you! All these years of prepping will finally pay off. I live in a very rural area and have a reinforced bunker with multiple redundant power generating systems enough food and water medical equipment for a few years and enough weapons and ammo to equip a small army. I'll watch the collapse from afar and end my time on my terms. So long suckers.
My hobby is researching climate change, related problems of overshoot of the human endeavor including the apparent reaching of peak oil extraction. Our modern civilization is in trouble. The fossil fuel limits lead to a gradual slow down of economic activity. The economy runs on energy, not money. Check out the video by Art Berman - The Real Energy Paradigm.
Yeah all this is good but I just can't forgive Christians or anyone who says they believe in a god. In it that belief without proof is what got us here. That we could do whatever we want and have no consequences simply because we believed without evidence, though later there was plenty, and continued on trashing the planet. Humans are at the root cause of all of this mess.
Nope. Hardly. It goes way deeper than that. Belief-based religions pretty much only come in after written language, some 5,000 years ago. Cultures bent on ecocide existed for millennia before that. The issue is anthropocentrism (human-centeredness), as I briefly discuss in this video and go into in much more depth in others. Still...thanks for your comment, Regan!
@@thegreatstory I have already accepted these things and intuit each course title but thank you for the work. I shared this vid with many. I would suggest replacing G🌍D with Ta🌍.
@@rainmanjr2007 No replacement, but, YES, I love both! One, as you know, speaks more to a Western heart-mind and the other more to an Eastern heart-mind. Thanks for the wonderful addition to my life and vocabulary!
The sooner the collapse, the sooner the recovery - the end is not yet in sight, and won't be for centuries...or more.... Humans are simply too good at survival.
You may be right, but I doubt it. Have you seen or listened to this? TEXT: web.archive.org/web/20201109040648/collapsosaurus-rex.com/2018/06/the-myth-of-the-human-cockroach/ AUDIO: soundcloud.com/michael-dowd-grace-limits/collapsosaurus-rex-the-myth-of-the-human-cockroach
@@thegreatstory Of course I've looked at such opinions. While they are true for the vast majority of humans, the situation turns around for the true survivors. While 90% of survivors might fall to such problem, the remaining ones will be just the opposite - empowered and motivated by the challenges. They will THRIVE under conditions that would be deadly to the average soft, "civilized" human of today.
I love your videos, but I really wish you had more diversity in your guest speakers on your channel. Lots and lots of white faces when scrolling videos. Are there post doom discussions with indigenous folk that I’m missing?
There are LOTS of Indigenous folk who are worth watching, reading, and listening to. I've mentioned or featured their voices in several of my videos, but, alas, none of my post-doom conversations to-date.
@@andrewshotathompson5116 Good for you! Here are my top two recommendations... (1) "Overshoot: Where We Stand Now" - guest post written by me for Dave Pollard's blog: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/ (2) "Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It" - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues, including Guy): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723
I wanted to watch the condensed version as well as the long form. Reverend Reality has the best synthesis of the predicament and how to find the goodness in the grief.
Thanks, Jed!
I watched your Daniel Dancer video you recommended. You read Daniel's emails. I loved what you read near the end that Daniel wrote: "taking a big picture long view of it all, that will rise in 1, 10, 100 million years out into the future, the detritus of the human project might just be a very good thing..." I love this! When I was "alone" in my knowledge in 2006 after I learned about methane hydrates ( I am a Chemist so I understood this literally as a punch in the gut), I would imagine the deep time of the past and "the greater thou" 's future. In 20 million years, new species will flourish in new, vacated niches (hopefully). In 500 million years, the Sun will start parching the Earth. That leaves 480 million years for unchallenged biodiversity perhaps.
Yes, I love that perspective, too. Daniel is a long-time friend and colleague.
@@thegreatstory Thanks, Rev! I watched the Q&A with Guy and Kevin where you had asked ?s about coping. You mentioned 4 drivers and I concur. I'll summarize as overshoot and green overshoot. Even this Iron salt aerosols (reverse heating) is a type of overshoot and I don't think it will be adopted in time. I know you discuss many scientific drivers as well. 3 such drivers that I am thinking now will outpace mitigation efforts (although I am all for mitigation efforts) are methane hydrates&permafrost, the latent heat sticky wicket vis-a-vis loss of cryoshpere and wet bulb temps (including El Nino.)
this is a topic that is coming up more in conversation i hope you don't mind but when people ask me what i think i'm going to refer them to your channel you explain it much better then i do and in much more detail so thanks
Thank you... Please do! 🙂
"Reality has eyes" - nice.
Indeed! Moreover...it's true. 🙂
Fantastic 😍
Thank you!
Potent, direct and loving as always Michael.
Thanks, Michael! If you take time to watch the "basic training" longer video, let's schedule a time to catch up. Love you, bro!
Great! that would be awesome Michael. Overdue. 😊I’ll def watch the longer version . I’m still away interstate i’ll be in touch in about a week.
@@thegreatstory have you had William E. Rees on? That would be fantastic!
@@aum82 Yes. And, yes, it is! 🙂 ua-cam.com/video/j__AW5pycaA/v-deo.html
@@thegreatstory gracious amigo 🙏🙂
Thank you; enjoy the day!
You, too, Lisa!
The most informed and polite doomer on the air. GM lost all his buddies. Your path has increased yours. Funny how that is. The next 10 years will be off the charts crazy. ❤️❤️🌎❤️
Thanks! Just so you know, however, I still think the world of GM. Will be interesting to see if most of us even have ten years. I doubt it.
And we are waiting for the next video clip. It feels like something really bad is about to happen, and that we had a good long breath before the ugly one...
"Something really bad" has been happening to primal and indigenous folk for quite a long time, as best I can tell. Thanks for taking time to watch this "cliff notes" version. Since you mentioned finding the written word more to your liking than videos... if you're interested, here are two relatively short texts that will give you a sense of where I'm coming from: (1) Overshoot: Where We Stand Now - guest post written by me for Dave Pollard's blog: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/ (2) Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723
Oops! I Just noticed that you are "Millennial Eng" not "Millennial Egg". If you're not Darren, you can ignore the articles.
After my mother drinking herself to death when I was 10, my father going bad on drugs and having the police take me away from him when I was 11, then ending up in a foster home run by a prescription drug addicted parent, I can't wait for this civilization to collapse. I got to learn the hard way at a young age how our society (or civilization, or whatever you want to call it) really functions (I.e. having an excellent Reserve Military career, but not allowing myself to be used as cannon fodder during the recent wars). I've been prepping for it most of my adult life, so when it gets really bad, I can't wait.
I can understand how you feel, Jerry, and many feel similarly for similar reasons. Thanks for your comment.
Likewise but without the early life trauma.
I'm afraid that the 1st sentence in your first slide may be in need of revision. It says that "No one needs convincing..."
Remember your own hindsight bias, and remember that the 1st step in the grieving process is denial. Millions upon millions still need convincing... I work with a handful of them.
One thing that helps me today is not taking for granted all the things our clever use of fossil fuels have given us. Clean hot and cold water piped right to our homes and nicely flushed right back out. Cars running on well maintained roads. Time for people to study science. Mechanical labor to replace slavery. More civil equality. On and on and on.
But still I can get angry about what's going away soon. And sad.
Hi Reverend Reality: if your LESS (less energy, stuff, stimulation) idea takes off, any thoughts on how to minimize a financial meltdown? (due to reduced tax revenue and increasing government debt from the decision to purposely consume less and reproduce less)
I know your comment is from a few months ago, but if you're not aware of the concepts of degrowth and doughnut economics, I would highly recommend reading up on them. Both of them deal with the required change in our economic system if we are to minimise the harm caused by a contracting economic system. A planned reduction of economic activity and resource use can be done, but only if the economy is run on a needs basis, instead of a profit basis. Jason Hickel is the guru of degrowth and Kate Raworth created the doughnut economics principle.
I appreciate and agree with much of this message, but I don’t know if I’ll every get to a place where I don’t blame conspicuous consumers. This message seems geared towards the privileged who have generally refused to change their consumptive lifestyles to the detriment of life on earth as we know it, and not the poor who will bear the brunt.
No, Adriana, it's actually geared to people like you. I suggest watching it again, without multi-tasking and at normal speed. Note, especially the two slides toward the beginning AND at the end re "Feelings associated with Acceptance" and "Feelings associated with not-acceptance." We're all toast. Your judgments are, of course, valid. AND they're worse than useless. They just disempower and make you miserable. Yes?
@@thegreatstory no I'm not miserable, but thanks for your projection. I'm planting trees in the spring and fall and working in my community to build resiliency strategies through permaculture design. Humans have a general problem that they can't wrap their heads around this slow destruction (sometimes it's fast!), and so the grasshoppers continue to make like it will always be spring in our fragile consumer world where everything is available nearly instantaneously. Most of the press reinforces this consumption and people, especially the wealthy, continue to shop, and consume more than their fair share of the earth's resources to keep themselves in the lifestyles they believe they deserve, without ever considering the ecosystems and communities that are mined and enslaved to make their life possible. It's what happens when the consequences of our lifestyles are offshored and easy to ignore. Capitalism sees no limits to growth just like the cancer it is, and how apropos that here we are on the 50th anniversary of Donella Meadows' groundbreaking book, Limits to Growth. Squandering our inheritance and true health and wealth is cool! Conservation be damned.
Hey Mike, I would recommend checking Peter Joseph's podcast : Revolution Now! He explains the possibilities and the trends we should follow as well as a full analysis of the current system behavior. He doesn't waste any time, no doubt one of the most brilliant mind of our times.
Feel free to recommend this video (or better yet, the more complete one) to Peter and see if he wants to interview me. ua-cam.com/video/IeDcreVILTE/v-deo.html I would LOVE to discuss our overlaps and divergences! (I agree he's brilliant.)
I totally agree. There are only 2 people that get me genuinely excited when I see a new post. Michael Dowd and Peter Joseph
Thank you! All these years of prepping will finally pay off. I live in a very rural area and have a reinforced bunker with multiple redundant power generating systems enough food and water medical equipment for a few years and enough weapons and ammo to equip a small army. I'll watch the collapse from afar and end my time on my terms. So long suckers.
hey i need to barrow a cup of sugar , can you send me your address so i can stop over for a Minuit
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I hope you made friends with your neighbors too, that to me feels as much or more important than “prepping”.
My hobby is researching climate change, related problems of overshoot of the human endeavor including the apparent reaching of peak oil extraction. Our modern civilization is in trouble. The fossil fuel limits lead to a gradual slow down of economic activity. The economy runs on energy, not money. Check out the video by Art Berman - The Real Energy Paradigm.
Yeah all this is good but I just can't forgive Christians or anyone who says they believe in a god. In it that belief without proof is what got us here. That we could do whatever we want and have no consequences simply because we believed without evidence, though later there was plenty, and continued on trashing the planet. Humans are at the root cause of all of this mess.
Nope. Hardly. It goes way deeper than that. Belief-based religions pretty much only come in after written language, some 5,000 years ago. Cultures bent on ecocide existed for millennia before that. The issue is anthropocentrism (human-centeredness), as I briefly discuss in this video and go into in much more depth in others. Still...thanks for your comment, Regan!
@@thegreatstory I have already accepted these things and intuit each course title but thank you for the work. I shared this vid with many. I would suggest replacing G🌍D with Ta🌍.
@@rainmanjr2007 No replacement, but, YES, I love both! One, as you know, speaks more to a Western heart-mind and the other more to an Eastern heart-mind. Thanks for the wonderful addition to my life and vocabulary!
When u speak of decline do u mean extinction of the human race?
Not necessarily, but, yes, quite likely.
The sooner the collapse, the sooner the recovery - the end is not yet in sight, and won't be for centuries...or more....
Humans are simply too good at survival.
You may be right, but I doubt it. Have you seen or listened to this? TEXT: web.archive.org/web/20201109040648/collapsosaurus-rex.com/2018/06/the-myth-of-the-human-cockroach/ AUDIO: soundcloud.com/michael-dowd-grace-limits/collapsosaurus-rex-the-myth-of-the-human-cockroach
@@thegreatstory Of course I've looked at such opinions. While they are true for the vast majority of humans, the situation turns around for the true survivors. While 90% of survivors might fall to such problem, the remaining ones will be just the opposite - empowered and motivated by the challenges. They will THRIVE under conditions that would be deadly to the average soft, "civilized" human of today.
I love your videos, but I really wish you had more diversity in your guest speakers on your channel. Lots and lots of white faces when scrolling videos. Are there post doom discussions with indigenous folk that I’m missing?
There are LOTS of Indigenous folk who are worth watching, reading, and listening to. I've mentioned or featured their voices in several of my videos, but, alas, none of my post-doom conversations to-date.
I recommend an interview on the Nick Breeze ClimateGenn channel with Dr Tero Mustonen who lives within the Arctic circle.
Neo-Animist blessings!
Donate to Guy McPherson at NATURE BATS LAST.
Already have, and will continue to do so in 2023; more so, in fact.
@@thegreatstory all the more reason to not take anything you say seriously
@@andrewshotathompson5116 Good for you!
Here are my top two recommendations... (1) "Overshoot: Where We Stand Now" - guest post written by me for Dave Pollard's blog: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/
(2) "Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It" - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues, including Guy): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723