John Adams On The Finer Arts
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That is an actual quote from Adams about the need to study war, etc in order for his children and grand children to be able to study finer arts.
EmmanuelGoldstein74 lol...i didnt know that. I said the same thing about myself to help my country develop. And I was just laughed at for being "a narrowminded workaholic".
And those that laughed are nothing but narrow-minded fools. No need to pay attention.
I figure that was so.
It's true that this is a real quote, it's just that the context is wrong. The original, is actually from a letter he wrote to his wife, but expressing the same sentiment, it almost the exact same words. I guess it just adds a lot more to the show to present it in the context of this scene here.
He was quoting Cato.
The point of this scene was that John Adams was not "playing the game" up until this point. Ben Franklin was begging him to stop being so aggressive. You have relax and "entertain" the French. That was the way to their hearts. This was the first time John Adams "played the game", that is why Ben Franklin nodded his head in approval......
SuperThunderlips That's the sense I got too. The movie "Ridicule" portrays wit as being the currency of Versailles, and necessary for the success of diplomatic endeavors. That's what's happening here.
+Viper ... clever response, but he's still as charming as a wooden post.
Matthew Kleid lol
+Viper Ah- does put things into perspective. Thanks.
Of course he's as charming as a wooden post, and he knows it. France was the wrong place for John Adams. He did much better among the pragmatic, economic-minded Dutch with their understated reserve, much closer to the New England culture. The Dutch sheltered the Puritans that went on to define New England and what its people would be, and that created a cultural tie. There was no such distant kinship in France
It's funny because his son became president
CosmicSkeptic Oh hi Alex! Didn’t expect seeing you here!
(Edit: used the wrong name, sorry,,,)
CosmicSkeptic His good son
John Quincy Adams
One did he disowned the other and he died while his father was president
Politics is an extension of economics
I feel as if the French are patronizing Adams yet I also feel they enjoy him at the same time. The French are a peculiar people but it seems to be despite the humor they display at Adams expense they also like him and desire to help
+Spencer Hill I think you get exactlty the scene. They don't mean to make a slight on his behalf; it's only humor for the sake of it, and if someone else told the same story, they would have make fun of him still (except if it was the king I guess)
+Spencer Hill spot on. In numerous dealings with them, i learned that my good french cousins always patronise or even despise the ones they more or less covertly enjoy or look up at. They bestow unbalanced admiration only on those which they don't care about.
If you don't speak French well enough to understand what they're saying to each other behind their hands, they are going to do that to you, whether they like you or not.
Dreadandcircuses John Adams never had the time or leisure to learn French. Plus he was speaking to aristocrats, not every day people.
They're all living in a bubble and the world is full of roses to them. Then came along this abrasive American with a serious attitude. Of course, they made Adam feel uncomfortable because he's like a party pooper to them.
This line from Adams -- along with "You may not be interested in politics and war, but politics and war are interested in YOU" -- no matter whomever said it or how -- should be posted over the door in every classroom in the country.
That's actually Leon Trotzky.
@@RossArlenTieken Is it? Fair enough. It should still be posted in every American classroom.
You may not be interested in politics but politics is interested in you, is origally a quote from Pericles.
a fine thing to remember for those pretending the recent aggression of Russia doesn't matter to them
lol, sounds like some imperialistic propaganda to make some a holes fight some rich mans war.
The commentors on here are so insane. Everyone's trying to use this scene to prove their political agenda. This clip isn't anti-liberal or anti republcan. The french were not liberals nor conservatives, John Adams did not hate the arts. He was trying to develop a country so he did not have time to study art, this is true. But the founding fathers did not start america to oppress art. The american poets that followed were some of the greatest in history. Mark Twain one of the greatest writer would follow. Art is beautiful and without it we would all be horribly off. This mini series would never have been made.
Adams. Jefferson isn't in that scene.
It was John Adams you dumb fuck
In English, proper nouns are capitalized. You should capitalize words like "the French", "America", or "American".
Well said sir.
Very true. The point of Adam's speech was to show the burden him and the other founding fathers had. The arts had to wait in order for work to get done. Like any good parent, they sacrificed so their children could enjoy themselves
Paul Giamatti always, always, always gives such a strong performance
He really was marvelous in that role, I agree. I’ve tried to recite his words in this scene several times, but it’s so well done. I listen to it in the car and appreciate it even more with just the audio.
a very thoughtful actor
John Adams was a brilliant man, we cannot forget that. He was extensively well-read in classic philosophy, religion, history and rhetoric. Adam's imperious nature often got the better of him, but if you could get him to relax and allow his mind to open, he could be astonishingly erudite and convincing when he needed to be. And he always fared better when Abigail was at his side.
I believe Franklin said the following about Adams, "I am persuaded however that he [John Adams] means well for his Country, is always an honest Man, often a Wise One, but sometimes and in some things, absolutely out of his Senses."
Poignant in this scene is a dining hall full of French aristocrats and royals all too soon to lose their heads in the guillotine. As they eat they have it "all worked out". But John Adams was about the only person in that room still alive after 1797. For further inquiry read David McCullough's compelling bio of John Adams.
I read that many aristocrats actually fled France to different countries especially England.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 only some did, a large majority were killed
That's really, really interesting....I had not thought of this so clearly as you explained it, thank you for the insight.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 According to I believe Schama's landmark book on the French Revolution, something close to 17,000 people met their fate at the guillotine.
@@kirkhenry2652 Not so fun fact. About fifteen years ago a family historian documented that my wife was descended from French royalty. We have their names. Dukes, marquises, comtes, etc.
When I read the report I noticed that too many of these folks all died around 1797. I told my wife: "You're lucky to even be here now".
Fascinating contrast between the opulent, detached decadence of the French with the churchy stiltedness of the Dutch later on.
I thought that at first too, but if you read the comment section it's full of Dutch commenters explaining the scene to Americans. The joke is that the Dutch are incredibly straight forward in business. At that time, they were filthy rich and pretty happy to help. Aesthetically, the scene is supposed to look like paintings of that time which also darkens them a bit.
The Dutch are also famously frugal. Compared to the French who treat spending money like it was endless.
Also reflects _how_ the French and the Dutch made their money. The French took out loans and taxed their way back from risky get-rich-quick ventures. A French financier at the time would have excelled at conning and glad-handling the French nobility out of their money. Hence the need for fancy dinners, court politics, dining etiquette, etc. This was _how_ they borrowed money. The Dutch had a more sophisticated banking and shares system and made their money from careful investments. less taxing, smaller sums, and less need for fancy dinners.
@@thuglifebear5256 Capital accumulation
The one thing I really enjoyed about the series while watching it was you realize the Americans are on unknown ground in regards to politics.Like teenagers allowed to eat at the adult table for the first time. Who to make treaties with, how to run the country, etc. There was no "this is the way we have always done it" to fall back on. Even the country wasn't a done deal.
That’s why America is awesome. It was made great in a few years and became a world super power. Most countries had hundreds of years to do it an never reached our level. The dividends of hard work and a vision.
@@Smokealotofblunts Hundreds? Try thousands. 😆 The rapid success of America is unparalleled.
@@AlbertAlbertB. Well if America's on the decline and you're the master, that's on you then.
@@johns.8220 ?
@@AlbertAlbertB. ?
“I regret to say I have no ear for la music”
“Awww....”
That shit made me laugh so hard
There's a lot more subtle humor in the miniseries than I remembered. I watched it again not too long ago and it was cracking me up. Especially the way John Adams was with his kids. Just treating them like servants. John Quincy is a little boy running around playing loudly and Adams just screams at him, "REMOVE YOURSELF, SIR!". Killed me.
@@EvanFowler To your point, isn't it hilarious that he, Benjamin Franklin, AND Thomas Jefferson are in that one scene reading a copy of our national Declaration of Independence, yet what do the Franklin and Jefferson marvel at? The swivel chair....🇵🇷🇺🇸😎🤣
It isn’t meant to be funny.
I have an ear for land..... Lots of land. That land has gold, silver, ore, coal.
@@EvanFowler While I don't know much about the series and that I know it's not perfectly accurate, this is surprisingly accurate for the time period ! Until pretty recently, children were considered to be mini-adults (hence why they often just look like smaller version of the adults in paintings of the time) and would be treated as such.
the French and their arts. I've learned that during my trips to Europe, you have to learn art and appreciate it.
I find that art is easy to learn once you have convictions to hold art to. Without standards, art is meaningless. This is because all art is, at its core, an argument; a claim by the artist who tells the world through his work that this thing he is showing you is not sufficiently known and it should be. When Greek sculptors created the most noble depictions of man during the Helenistic era, they were telling people to recognize the greatness and beauty of mankind. When rock and roll became popular it was artists telling the world to see how free and openly, honestly, and vulnerably passionate we are. When post modern art was being sanctioned by government offices and corporate banks, those artists were telling us how meaningless everything is.
That is how we become patrons of the arts. By knowing the purpose of art, and what an artist is telling us through his music, paintings, and carvings, we know the value of art.
Maybe along the higher « society » of the French system. I assure you we « regular » French people don’t really care lol
@@sequorroxx Wow, wonderfully said. Your observation is an art itself!
@@sequorroxx nc
@@sequorroxx Art like beauty can mean different things to different people.
Too bad they ended up watching cat videos on UA-cam.
worse they become SJW and have crying fits when they don't get their way.
worse they become nothing complaining about SJWs and have crying fits about others having crying fits.
no you are wrong most normal people laugh when the stupid SJW are crying . i know i did .
It is sadly the logical progression.
They ended up becoming brainwashed by the liberal media, once again shackled by a big government that's become authoritarian and quickly becoming omnipresent with vids and online fingerprints.
“He’s worked it all out” still funny
“That’s a very sharp blade - why are you pulling that lever?” - the same guy, few years later
John Adam’s really wanted his children to become academically disciplined, just like him. He really depicted his children’s future!!
Yeah, but his son (one of them) became a lawyer.
He made his son such an unhappy stick in the mud that he couldn’t win a national election without bargaining with the electorate. I like both John and John Quincy BTW.
Unfortunately he pushed his sons to become lawyers and 2 out of 3 couldn't handle the pressure and became drunkards. It only worked on John Quincy who followed in his footsteps and became president. The other two he should have let do something else.
This is what the American ethos used to be about. We work hard, and cared more about our future, we sacrificed at our personal expense in order to pass along the prosperity and privilege that came with such burdens.
+John Montes And you don't think that others did?
This is a movie. And American movie makers ain't exactly well known for portraying others all that well.
It kinda seems as if a lot of Americans like to take credit for what their ancestors did too, or other Americans.
In the end of the day, SOME of our ancestors ( in all countries ) worked hard for the future. But in reality, most sat on their asses and did nothing or lived very non productive lives when it came to the big pictures. All countries had their own John Adams, including France. It's not as if John Adams was the standard American.
And it's not as if America is the only country with a history of civil wars and revolutions, lol.
All countries do.
It's the same today. Most Americans ( and people in other countries ), sit on their asses and do very little that is productive in the great scheme of things. But then you have a tiny group of people pulling most of the big weights. Nothing has really changed.
I mean. Eh... It's kinda bothersome, to see and hear Americans so often act as if liberty and independence is some '' American '' thing.
No? It's not? Lol....
It's pretty funny too when people point out that countries like Sweden still have a monarchy. When in reality, they hold no political power at all.
And instead of one President holding most of the power, Sweden has 8 parties collaborating together that all represents the people together. And Sweden also has a LONG history of struggling and fighting for the countries independence.
I just kinda wish that Americans in general would be a bit more humble and get off their high horses, lol.
It's cool to be proud of your country, even tho I think it's silly. Considering that it's just randomized by birth, it's not as if you accomplished anything by being lucky. But still...
So many seem to forget that there is an entire world out there too. With a much longer and bloodier history than America.
+Kolsyrad Mcluvin Liberty and independence isn't some "American thing." However, Americans wanted it, and they fought for it, and achieved those pursuits. We never said it's exclusively ours. We just celebrate our success in winning this. Just as the French celebrate their art and wine. Here's a question: when was the last time you pondered freedom and independence of citizens in the Congo?
And now Sweden is only fucked, when is the last time any of you pondered what liberty meant?!? What and where authority comes from? What was the reasoning of the structure of our republic and of our constitution? What is freedom?
Sweden is fucked? Looks pretty much the same as always outside my window.
cqtaylor I don't think Americans should be speaking too loudly about liberty and independence considering they overthrew many secular democracies and install puppet dictators like Batista and the Shah.
America pays lip service to freedom, but tosses it away with the patriot act to fight "terrorists" who are often funded from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who in turn get free money and weapons from the US. I got to admit, I find it funny that America supported Saddam for years only to stomp him and pretend they were always enemies.
America has become the very monster that they originally fought, but instead of a monarchy, they are led by economic oligarchs, which btw, also sell arms to multiple sides in the Congo, who often use children(an act Hillary Clinton approved of).
Most pre modern tyrant kings would blush at the expert level atrocities America does with the most hilarious of hypocritical justifications.
This show really shaped my mental image of the Founders, especially Tom Wilkinson as Franklin. It bears such an uncanny resemblance to how I always imagined him.
I wonder how this explains Franklin doubling as Charles Cornwallis in the South fighting the war.
@@Agent1W The Patriot lol?
@@parduetheholyman If John Adams knew about that, he would have had Franklin tarred, feathered, and run out on a rail like that one customs agent in Boston. That would have helped his foreign diplomatic career.
The actor portraying Franklin was fantastic in this scene as was the camera between Adams and Franklin. So much said without a word being uttered.
The legendary Tom Wilkinson.
I had the blu ray of this. I borrowed it to my coworker whos a Lithuanian immigrant. Captain Ramius I used to call him. He knew a lot more about US history than i did. MFer moved to florida and never returned it. I miss him. Im glad my blu ray has a good.home.
Hahaha
Find him now. Lol. 😂😂😂😂😂.
You ‘lent’ it to him. You did not ‘borrow’ it to him.
I love how in the next scene the French aristocracy is singing songs about revolution. Man that's ironic.
To be fair, the french revolution was very different to the american one.
What amazing irony. A lot like 2021 America.
@@stephennicholas1590 well it's almost like socialism doesn't benefit poor people after all
Not that ironic. First, the support for USA's independance was all to bloody England's nose after the Seven Years War. Also, many in the French aristocracy wanted change and would have been quite happy to see the power of the King diminished. Mirabeau (count), Lafayette (marquis) and Louis-Philippe d'Orléans (Duke, a King's relative through King Louis XIII, father of the future King of the French Louis-Phillippe and who even voted for the death of Louis XVI) were nobles who supported the Revolution. At least in the begining, when it was not about founding a Republic.
@@Xerxes2005 And never mind that nobody nobleman from Corsica.
It's like him saying "You guys are just the grandchildren of better generations, I am the better generation of who will raise the ones just like you"
meanwhile Ben Franklin could school anyone on politics, war, mathematics, philosophy, navigation, commerce, as well as painting, poetry, music and more
LOL. Franklin was a writer, a diplomat, and a scientist, but certainly none of those other things.
@@jeffreykalb9752 people were a little dumber 3 years ago than today...
Indeed. Adams was no slouch. He was well read enough to win a scholarship to Harvard University at age 15. That is no small feat for a boy from a family of semi-illiterate Massachusetts farmers. He devoured every book he could get his hands on. His taste in knowledge was more practical than Franklin's. Franklin loved learning for the pure joy of discovery, while Adams viewed knowledge as a tool to be used to further his political ambitions, and to foster the prosperity of his state and country.
@@jeffreykalb9752 Franklin was a polymath.
@@rcreynolds6186 Franklin discovered electricity and invented glasses
Lol the dude at 0:20 that just goes "Awww..."
& in the background ~ a minute later (at 1:18) "Très ennuyeux ..."
I barely speak any French and haven't seen the series. Do they mean "What a pity" or "This guy is obnoxious"?
Very boring is what it means
America has lost its way. This is one of my all time favorite quotes because Adams perfectly expounds the point of life. If you’re children are working as hard you, you have failed.
You gravely misinterpret the words of Adams.
These are absolutely essential foundations of development, both individually and at the level of culture. You never throw away those foundations.
Yes but if you're children do not struggle they will become weak and corrupted.
It's our adversity and our struggle to overcome them that defines our character. If someone does not struggle they will not grow.
Bullseye 🎯💯
@@gerardjagroo
With your clarification I see that I misunderstood your comment. I apologize.
What a fantastic quote, makes me really appreciate the things I am able to do because of great men like this.
Ben Franklin is so fascinating to me. He wasn’t a politician but he was just a man who loved to learn about everything , and people from everywhere respected him
Thank you to all of my forefathers who fought for the cause of our nation's independence and foundation so that their children would have the chance to work hard to become successful so that I could live the wonderful life that I do today in the USA. May I always be grateful and my children after me.
Notice how he first says his sons, then his son’s children. So far ahead of his time.
1:29 The image Ben Franklin in a rose garland will never leave my mind
"Bravo Mr. Adams"
Greatest speech of all times by John Adams. A couple of words, billions of wise meaning.
I would like to add that the reason we can enjoy UA-cam and TV Shows is because of the men who came before us.
A smile and nod of approval from Ben Franklin - priceless.
brings tears to my eyes every time
1:30 Old Ben is happy for him.
In 2023 its time for us men to study politics and war...
🥱 you can’t have it both ways. conservatives want “america first” and to abandon all our allies. Yet at the same time you obsess over war? well that’s republicans for you, they’ve only got the one brain cell to work with.
I don't give a damn what most Americans say. I love the French. And they have been our friends before any other. We owe them greatly and they owe us. Via America and via France. And via liberty!!!!
Ah, the rigid Massachusetts son of iconoclast puritan stock mingling among the èlectron libre culture of the popish French aristocracy. What a fine clashing. I'm sure Giamatti's portrayal of Adams in Paris was probably spot-on!
he certainly pissed a lot of them off.
he's got a point you know. First you see to your freedom, then you see to your livelihood, then you see to your entertainment, it can't be done in any other order.
I've been to Versailles.
Let's just say it's insane. Hard to imagine anyone thinking that they should have the right to live in a palace like that. It's no wonder there was a revolution.
I've also been to Buckingham Palace in London. Versailles makes Buckingham Palace look like a garden shed. Mind you, the lady who occupies Buckingham Palace these days has managed to run a pretty tight ship and no mob is going to storm the place and take all the furniture.
One of my most favorite scenes. Understanding that the acts necessary to bring freedom which the founding fathers intended to guarantee the US citizens was necessary to develop the foundational and hierarchical virtues that express a culture in its fullest way. The philosophical precedes the psychological which precedes the practical. This isn't to say that US history has worked out according to this, but the principle seems sound.
+TINutrition I think it has. American arts and culture dominate the world.
At our best, our culture is the equal of any other and indeed superior, as we tend to take a good sample of the best (and at times the worst) from other cultures and make them our own. The Japanese also do this to some degree, but much of what they've adopted isn't a good sample from both ends of the spectrum, at least in my observation.
SC98 we’re the country who introduced Jazz to the world, created a hip-hop revolution, produced stars who changed music forever...but lately (past 10-20yrs) it’s all garbage, I agree.
I agree TN. It is in fact, kind of a German approach. You have to "build" a culture. In German, "culture" = "Bildung." Hard to fault such a practical approach to building a thriving society. The film depicts Adams and the French being in concord here, because it certainly is ... tres organize?
@@MrWhite-pn7ui much to the detriment of Art and Music.
A pile of polished deodorized dog shit is what passes for Art and Music in the U.S these days.
Unfortunately the contagion has spreading and keeps spreading.
Of course there are the exceptions but these are few and far in between.
As is the responsibility of men, to assure that our children, and their children after them can have the luxury we lack.
brilliant scene..."he has it all worked out"
The splendor of Versailles, or was it decadence? This series does such a great job of showing the excesses of the French nobility without dwelling on it.
I love how different all the europeans dress and look in this film. It expresses their character and culture. The french look so funny and ridiculous.
They looked similar to others, minus the heavily powdered faces. However, france set much of the style at the time. France was the cultural hub for aristocracy, and set many trends.
Granted the makeup is a little coarse here
I think the best depiction is, perhaps unexpectedly, Madonna’s 1990 Vogue concert
Several of the guests are wearing flowered wreaths. This goes back to the ancient Greeks and Romans when wreaths of flowers or grape leaves were worn when there was a celebration of some kind. In this case, it was basically it was a symbolic tribute to the God Dionysus, also called Bacchus, who was the God of wine, merry-making and pleasure, and who wore a grape leaf wreath. In many ways, the French saw themselves as the inheritors of classical greco-roman culture.
00:53-00:56 What a sublime performance. Almost brought me to tears.
tallaser
It was a sublime performance.
It’s a sublime performance.
This show was great at showing how Dr. Franklin played the French egos.
Louis XVI seems like a nice man. I heard he was quite intellectual and knowledgeable about the world, and he did the best he could to make the people's lives better.
Those revolutionaries were sick to kill him.
Perhaps they were tired of eating cake.
@@jeffreyjeziorski341 The cake line is totally untrue. Very few french monarchs had done as much for the poor. It was seen as weakness. You know, you give a hand, they take an arm. Or a head.
@@Rudolph1722 you made a point there. I will start to read up on this monarch.
His only fault was trying to flee France. The bloodthirsty jacobins then had grounds to accuse him of trying to collude with foreign governments to topple the French government. People/revolutionaries were not personally angry with him. As the revolution broke out, he was made the figurehead. If he had accepted that and played it safe, he would have lived a full life.
This was one of the finest scenes of this series.
"...so that their children will have the RIGHT to study..."
It's often forgotten that education was not only unaffordable to the common person, it was restricted to class - that was actually an extremely aggressive and antagonistic political point to make to the very people who regarded the non-elite as a basket full of deplorables.
Franklin is so shocked Adams finally said something crowd pleasing
Franklin expresses approval not shock
French: Poor guy has to work..
Adams: You should be thanking your grandparents..
Their grand grand grand grand grand and more parents.
Some of them were in nobles families since a millennial.
Beautiful. I wish I would of met him
My favorite scene
I am glad I wasn't Adams, because I would have nailed that little frenchie next to him.
He would have been expected to. This was a late stage aristocracy with no sense of morality. Great men were expected to prove their greatness by taking many lovers. Adams problem amongst the French is that he was loyal to his wife.
A love that Adams here details the entire birth of a civilization in what would be mere generations. This is how humans living in 1st world countries became what they became in a matter of a millenium. And the American pursuit, though its obvious advantages, was starting from relative scratch given their dependence on a colonizer. Such a dexterous approach to diplomacy here.
Haha i cant imagine how they all must have laughed about this after the scene xD this is great. I loved this scene too
Wow 5 years ago I made this comment xD crazy to think how times were like back then.
@@TeamKuukiFoodGames you comment on your own comment?
@@JohnnyDeur Sometimes xD especially if theyre years old
@@TeamKuukiFoodGames 🤣
Actually people, this was a quote from a letter he wrote to his wife in 1780.
If it was a dinner table conversation, it never would have been recorded.
The point is to stay faithful to the spirit of President Adams. Also you can’t cram an entire lifetime in a mini-series. The point is to convey who the man was as deeply and fully as possible.
wow they look really creepy
you spelled "French" wrong
+Bernard Montgomery The dress of the English court was not so different, just slightly less stylish.
Charles Burkman We naturally excel when it comes to fashion.
And the more one excels at fashion the sooner everyone laughs at that generation style in just 10 years ago on how ridiculous they looked.
Good job.
Yeah, and they even managed to make Madame Defarge look sweet n' kindly.
You couldn't have chosen a better actor for this role.
I wish Americans still kept lessons such as those to heart...and followed them. These days, they've become that powdered and wigged French aristocracy about to be rudely awakened to the fact that they've fallen soo far...
Your observation was so correct. Now it’s February 2021 and America is crashing into the abyss.
We Americans do, however a great many millions among us do not keep the great lessons alive, and they threaten the exquisite freedoms it took oceans of time to finally have.
@@stephennicholas1590 I hope you Americans get yourselves together and deal with those who are threatening to destroy what you've built. I sincerely hope for an American Renaissance. Without you the rest of us will sink. People naively think that (at least) some form of the Dark Ages can't return... Not many seem to realize how fragile Western civilization and culture are.
@@stephennicholas1590 Well, it's 2024...thank you...but I most definitely wish I was wrong...
Such good actor... All of them.
Most of the French nobles in the time of Louis XVI had very little political power. They had wealth from their large estates, but they spent much of their time at Versailles doing little else but wait on the king and attend social functions. This was done to keep them under control, even as most of the political power in the absolute monarchy was already in the hands of the king and his bureaucrats.
Gone were days of the powerful Robber Barons that could hold the king in check.
If the nobility was a potent force as it was in the past, the revolution might have failed.
Louis XIV had also moved the court to Versailles, some distance from Paris, to make it impossible for Parisian upheavals to put pressure on the king. Before he lost power entirely, Louis XVI was forced by French revolutionaries to transfer back to Paris.
Love that after the translator says Adams has got it all worked out, somebody says “très ennuyeux” - “very boring” 🤣
The blonde girl next to him didn't receive a credit. Anyone know who she is?
She's quite the cutie though.
My favorite part of the whole series.
Love this scene too - and if you watch this miniseries and find yourself thinking, 'Uggh those French fops! They oughta get what they deserve!" just remember - they absolutely get their poetic justice a few years later with the French Revolution.
I am not so sure if i agree with ya Amelia. Nobody deserved the Reign of Terror. It was horrible. Millions of commoners were killed. Read about the Rape of the Vendee, but make sure you have not eaten.
I have a feeling that if your comment had sound, it would be like Charlie Brown's teacher.
Amelia Doubleyou
Just remember Amelia, history was not as it is presented on this show atleast where Louis XIV and Marie Antoinette were concerned. They were actually humble and austere, and adopted kids while establishing hospitals for the sick and homes for the homeless....
Actually, I have a degree in European History. I neither value nor care for your after-school-special style commentary.
Amelia Doubleyou
mmmmm hmmmm.....riiight.
This was the greatest tv show I have ever seen. Period.
The French are still like this today if you go there now.
*Parisians
true. i powder the shit out of my face and attend banquets every morning, and after that I attend the opera while downing barrels of red wine.
@@ferikk92 lol, you have made my day
I thought all the French were black people now.
@@marieteach2376 that's why it's hard to call it France anymore.
A lot of diplomacy is about making your hosts feel good and entertained, especially if you're the ambassador to another nation. Of course, there are power politics to consider--the beggar nation needs to be the entertainer while the rich nation with the money will be the one wooed and entertained. The ambassadors to poor African and Latin American nations nowadays are playing this very game in the salons of Washington, D.C., wooing and flattering the people in Congress who have power over the purse-strings. But in the late 1700s the U.S. was the beggar nation, and Ben Franklin understood that role so he had to entertain. John Adams did not, and resisted this "jester" role until he realized how very important it was to the success of the war of independence.
Notice how he stressed the necessity of studying certain topics which would exactly fit into the day to day mindset of an excessively pampered leisure class which the Bourbons and the rest of Europe's aristocrats couldn't seem to shed until it was too late. When you take care of learning how to create a workable society and a society that's properly defended, then you can say you've earned the right to sit back a little and take in some of the, "cushier" topics that don't require a lot of deep thinking. This is what so many of our wealthiest fellow "citizens" who'd have no problem turning their very own local neighbors into economic and social subjects if given the opportunities which excessive and unearned cash flow, versus hard earned income, allows the wealthy. It was long believed in upper class British households than gentlemen and ladies did not work at at a job, but rather they exercised administrative advantages and duties which they often received through inheritance. Adams represented a mortal threat to everything those well-coif'd and supposedly "more educated" and "socially refined" could ever come close to replicating no matter how much time they had remaining, or more importantly, the inner courage to leave their wealth and privileged lifestyles to become more self-sufficient. That's what Adams represented because unlike the snobs he was facing down, he had to earn his position in life. Yes, he came from a well-known farming family which also produced lawyers and preachers and school teachers (his first job) for the less well-off and non-aristocratic families in far less comfortable surroundings and homes . . . but he earned the right to say what he did, whether or not Hollywood decided to include Ben Franklin for dramatic purposes.
Despite his short-tempered outbursts, his mistake in signing the Alien and Sedition laws (which to his credit, he later openly regretted doing so, something his most ardent critics of our times conveniently prefer to overlook) he stand in my book as The Greatest representative of our country's truly Greatest Generation.
Tempting! But he was married and that kind of loyalty to ones wife is amazing!
He was at the most important task, building a nation.
I pointed out this quote when my dad complained about people getting liberal arts degrees. He softened to the subject.
Fascinating how the French Aristocracy are just so completely disconnected from the reality of their world and the significance of what John is saying.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Adams has basically described the relationship between the generation that arrived at Ellis Island at the beginning of the 20th Century, the Greatest Generation and their abominable offspring, the Baby Boomers. It has always been this way; one to two generations of people struggle, the next one builds and finally the third one enjoys the fruits of the previous two just to ruin it all in the end, deluded by the belief that they somehow “deserved” something.
I'm sorry that you are a bigot. I'm also sorry that you are an idiot. Baby boomers did not come of age to be in charge of much until the 1980's, when things were already decadent and wasteful. Their parents did not come of age to be in charge until the 1960's, when much of the rot was already set in motion. The Greatest Generation really didn't build anything worthwhile. They were the first to buy up the ugly ass homes of the suburbs and take boring office jobs with their long highway commutes
@@flintfredstone228 🤣🤣🤣.
In today's glorious vernacular:
OK, BOOMER!!
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@@DoroteoVilla I'm 25 my guy
@@flintfredstone228 Explains the hot take.
@@DoroteoVilla It's not a "take", it's fact
" A rude Frenchman? Well, I never!" - Ned Flanders.
0:28, Franklin's look says it all, the look of "Stop being a dork!".
hard times make strong men,
strong men make good times,
good times make weak men,
weak men make hard times.
This is epic. How did we get so far from this USA ?
airplanes probably
Two world wars, international finance and a disrespect of the founding stock of America.
And this is why the rich stay rich, and the "self made man" has failures for children, the "self made man" thinks the only way to build character is to start at the bottom like he did, but what he doesn't understand, is his life had continuous progress, and if his kids have to start at the bottom, they have to first move backwards. Making their lives even more difficult than his own. Self made men dont build legacies, they dont want their children to be better than they were.
So how does that theory work with the kennedys, rockefellers and jp morgans? All started by self made men....
dang whos that cute blonde next to him ? she stole the scene
I know right
The best part about this scene is with the exceptions of Adams and Franklin all these ppl lost their heads within a decade.
Ah the French...the arrogantly enlightened
Or at least thought to be enlightened.
well you gotta be arrogant to think oneself enlightened. they remind me of a group of friends laughing at an inside joke, satisfied that no one else is in on it
It took centuries and a lot of war to arrive at that perspective.
Supposedly, when learning to speak French. Franklin learned through a female companion, whereas Adam, by reciting old French funeral sermons
Haha, they didn't give a subtitle after the King said "c'est tres organise" (it's very organised, translation given as he's got it all worked out) to the man who replied "it's very boring!", "c'est tres ennuyeux". Maybe the editors in the cutting room wanted the scene to end on a high, keeping things positive. Still, not very accurate, missing out a line of subtitles just because it's negative!
+Lydia Ellis It's not the king, it's Marquis de la Luzerne, the first french ambassador to America.
+Zuber Commodore Ah, really? Thanks for clarifying. We don't have this programme in the UK so I wrongly assumed he was at the French court after watching the clip.
Lydia Ellis In fact there's a scene before this one where he introduces himself, and since I just watch this episode yesterday, I remember it well.
Good traduction anyway!
Who is the white-faced, blonde woman in back of Giamatti??
First off this was a HBO mini series. Secondly I'm sure what I've termed the American ethos is simply the "old school work ethic" we know from our grandparents and thier ancestors, regardless of there point of origin. But I can only speak of my own families experience in America.
That last part so that their children can study the finer arts was key. Otherwise its like hes talking down to them
If I were Adams and I had that blonde lady sitting to my right, I would be like "Abigail who?"
"He's worked it all out." Super funny.
Inner thoughts: "So many moles in this one room"
Those aren't moles. Those were painted on or were stickers as was the style of the time. They sometimes were there to cover up imperfections.
Benjamin Franklin is spinning and turning over his grave so fast from what is happening in this nation today that you could fucking generate electricity from it.
Yes.
What happened to the other video where he met Louis? Like wtf did it got taken down by UA-cam? Ffs
I miss the video too. Now we can just hope that someone will upload it back.
@@lukasmannlein3675 I'm not sure if its UA-cam or the UA-camr but I'm fed up with historical videos being taken down.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 I already wrote to the youtuber who uploaded the video but the last video on his channel is seven years old so I am afraid that he is not active on youtube anymore. It is certain that I am rather going to download all my favourite historical videos before I lose them all.
@@lukasmannlein3675 don't bother UA-camr show hasn't been active for 7 months will not reply at all
I love this scene.
...and 200 years from now, my family's sons will need to study law, so that their sons can study gender studies
svenmega10022 it’s good to see that not all the people of the West approve of all that bs
XKT035 nice punch line. would be less amusing if it wasn't true.
hol up
@Brian Schall
"Glad that people are starting to see "gender studies" for what it is. One way to help stay this madness is through encouraging your representatives to defund the humanities departments of these indoctrination centers."
Nice plan. Seeing your country slide even further into an Idiocracy amuses those of us overseas.
Only the stupendously ignorant are so educationally impoverished that they would perceive having to change their views based on evidence, as some sort of horror.
Honestly. Your ancestors fought for the right to receive the same educational opportunities as the aristocracy. And here you are spitting on any such opportunities, all because you disagree with certain subject choices.
To think that you would show such mortal fear to something as benign and useful as gender studies. What's wrong? Are you afraid you might discover the limits of your knowledge and understanding? That you might have to admit you were/are wrong about some things?
@svenmega10022 and then the whole DMV clapped
Little do they know most of them will line up to meet Madame Guillotine.
Is it wrong that I want to go all Maximilien de Robespierre on these people?
+Markus Schoening Nope. I wanna do the same xD
Yes, it most certainly is.
François Royal Dude, chill. Take a joke =_=
Ciara Majesty Hmph.
No, that's the right thing to do. As they wine and dine the peons starve.