Nice! Russian Mil-17 Heavy Lift Helicopters! These export variants are widely used across 70+ countries. However, extensive pilot training is very important because the steep angle-of-attack for this helicopter can lead to accidents. Novice pilots often underestimate the difficulty in this maneuver, see 4:35.
@@velkoz110 doesn't change the fact that Russia is getting sanctioned defense industry included. You've seen what happned with t129b from turkey right? That sanction is cute compared to what russian is experiencing now.
some things mi-17 haters missed ✓ it has a rear ramp which is crucial on many applications, so it's like having an NH-90 or Merlin w/out their political baggage, w/out the issues of NH90 as experienced by Australia ✓ it has more MTOW than NH90 ✓ no political baggage from the West ✓ used by numerous countries, so no issues on sustainment even w/ Ukraine War. ✓ if Ukraine War continues or intermittent, sustainment will be cheaper since Russia is willing to decrease prices just to sell ✓ if Russia can't fulfill sustainment, that will be an opportunity to source it from another mi-17 user & thus deepen defense relationship, notably India ✓ if Russia won't agree on sourcing it to another country, then it's a breach of contract, thus PH is legally free to do whatever w/ Mi-17 ✓ the West say that M-17 is not interoperable & incompatible w/ Western assets but that is only their roundabout way of saying "patronize Western assets only so that we can always control you" - only Western fantards are happy w/ that there are other reasons but too long to write
US uses Mi-17 too lol. PH can ask Vietnam, India, Belarus to overhaul the Mi-17s if the Russians are unreliable in terms of aftersales. Blackhawk > NH-90 (ask Australia)
@@johna3142 get a better context hoy. di sila kumuha ng Mi 17 for heavy lifting kundi for training. tsaka iilan lang kinuha nila. they still rely sa star 5, their much proven and reliable CH 53 super stallion, CH 47 Chinook, UH 60 black hawk and last but not the least huey for VTOL
@@robertanthonybermudez5545 yup tama. Kaso sa mga CIA ops/ special ops, Dissimilar training/ Evaluation ops, may mga Russian equipment ang US military.
@@johna3142 magkaiba po ang paggamitan ng AFP natin sa mga Helicopters na ito. they use this para nga sa mga nabanggit mo. for our AFP gagamitin ito nila for purely its raw lifting capacity. for disaster relief operations po. with that in mind sa TWG ung CH 47 lang talaga ang pasok 5 units of CH 47 is upto 3x na sa lifting capability ng 17 unit na Mi 17. ang CH 47 compatible pa for in-flight refueling (another advantage na nakita ng TWG) kaya pwedeng iluwas ang relief goods from Mindanao direct to Luzon non-stop flight (non-stop fligh also reduces accidents)
We can ask for spares from India, Ukraine (if war is over), ex Warsaw pact countries (NATO members now), Vietnam, China (BFF naman daw ngayon) etc. if we cannot directly source from the Orcs due to sanctions.
BEST HELICOPTER IN ITS CLASS CHEAP..$12 M(APPROX),MULTI PURPOSE,,CAN BE LOADED WITH ROCKETS, BOMBS,ETC.HEAVIER PAYLOAD,CAN BE USED FOR COMMANDO MISSION....DISASTER RELIEF,HEAVIER LIFT..
Bad move I think, because after all the sanctions slapped against Russia, we may find it difficult to maintain these helicopters in terms of parts and after sales service.
I think its not because when you purchase a military air assets such as helos and aircraft any where inthe world, US,Russia,UK, etc,etc,etc, there were included technical, and logistical support such as spare parts and others including ammmunition, technology transfer etc,etc. Its irony that even US, Nato European countries military troops used these helos in Afghanistan! But there were also irony in the narratives of many people including some Pilipinos that we should not used Russian made because they were enemy of US and the west and we are pro-american or pro-west! That was a bullshit irrelevant, narrow minded and non logical thinking double standards of views and reasons. NapakaBOBONG KAISIPAN NA NAKAKAINIS AT NAKAKAIRITA, INSIGNIFICANT AND INUTIL MINDSET1
Russia has an advanced aviation industry that is required by Russian military to be self sufficient on all parts of it's military aviation hardware. This self sufficiency extends not only to parts but also on avionics, electronics and semiconductor chips. So all this concern about lack of spare parts is just a result of ignorance.
Perfect even the American pilots of NATO REQUESTED THIS TYPE OF HELICOPTER BECAUSE IT CAN WITH STAND WITH ALL TYPES OF WEATHERS PARTICULARLY TH WAR DURING SYRIAN WAR.
its not the about budget or the cost of equipment. Its the ego of the current administration. They want to commit close ties with Putin thats why they also cannot cancel the purchase even there are sanctions against them.
Oo expensive but vastly reliable kumpara dito. Ang russia nga may difficulty na ngayon sa pagkuha ng parts, pano pa ngayon sa AFP kapag gumamit ng russian air assets. Given pa na corrupt to the core ang AFP
Just wait until the Philippines needs parts for these helicopters and just who is going to be able to work on these Russian helicopters.? Not enough of the right questions being asked here.
Sanction works only if they are sold in US dollars or settled through SWIFT bank. It's not about sanctions towards Russia it's about sanctions that might effected to Philippines by US.
Russia has an advanced aviation industry that is required by Russian military to be self sufficient on all parts of it's military aviation hardware. This self sufficiency extends not only to parts but also on avionics, electronics and semiconductor chips. So all this concern about lack of spare parts is just a result of ignorance.
so advanced but notorious in aftersales? No wonder why MiG, Sukhoi operators send their fulcrums, flankers to Ukraine or Belarus for overhaul. Even hip helicopters too, being sent to ex-Warsaw pact countries for overhaul.
@@johna3142 the old migs and Soviet era planes were made in Ukraine since Ukraine was the center of Soviet aerospace so they have the necessary tools to fix old Soviet planes. So it makes more sense to fix the planes where they are made and that's why countries send their aircraft to be fixed in these countries.
@@dionium5462 I see. But even newly built SU-30s too. Either at India or Belarus the customers will choose to overhaul, they may have an advanced industry but their aftersales is bad. Now they are allowing MRO centers in India (Su-30) and Egypt, South Africa (Mi-8/17) and now selling maintenance sets to existing customers because of that reputation in aftersales.
Remember: 🤔🤔who was willing to sell weapons to the philippines during marawi siege which was 1 of the most critical battle since the administration was fighting terrorist.. we are talking about terrorist armed with hightech guns not just some ordinary group...🙂🙂
we needed them for relief operations, not just war, this will greatly boost our ability to bring relief goods to hard accessed islands and mountainious towns
Here comes the slippery slope of the AFP. Kahit ano2 at saan2 na lang galing ang binibili. Walang pagpapahalaga sa logistics ng parts at parts commonality.
@@gargarmikejaphett.3840 bumili pero wag sa Russia. Do you know what i meant with logistics sa parts and parts commonality given the fact na under sanctions ang russia ngayon?
@@robertanthonybermudez5545 Kung parts pag uusapan mas magmumura ang parts pag mas lalong lumaki sanctions ng Russia at marami rin na bansa nagbebenta ng parts niyan. Research before posting.
@@gargarmikejaphett.3840 kaya nga slippery slope dahil sa mindset na sayang na kasi nagdownpayment na. kung less than 50% lang ang downpayment mo. mas less parin ang lugi mo kesa ibuhos mo lahat knowing na wala naman talagang long term benefit sa iprocure na item
@@johnericramos7136 lol Hindi yan gagawin nang US lalo na at Helicopter lang naman yan bro. Ang babala nang US sa ibang country e yung mga Pandigma talaga like Attack Helicopter and S-400 dyan ka mag kaka sanction sa Palagay ko naman di yan gagawin nang US kasi gagamitin din nang air force yan pang Humanitarian Response at Pang Evacuated nang Civil tsaka mas Capable talaga yan kesa sa Black in terms of Multipurpose missions.
Hindi siguro gagawin nang US sa atin Yan remember Yung atak t129 NG turkey ,Hindi nila nabentahan Ang Pakistan dahil pinagbawal NG US na gamitin Ang engine nila pero sa atin pinayagan Tayo ng US na makakuha
Naku, batikos kaliwa't - kanan nnaman toh. Kung ako nag back out nlng ako kahit pre-Ukraine invasion ung deal. Pag kumalat toh meron konting possibility n ma sanction din tayo at ma cancel ung mga foreign European deals natin.
Kakarampot na budget tas nagdownpayment pa, and you want to back out? Sayang ang pera. The country that imposed the sanctions should exempt ph. Especially maraming ganap sa Asia. I think US would make exemptions for it, dahil king hindi papait nanamm ang stamd ng PH sa US. Remember the sanctions on Turkey, diba naexempt tayo. Kaya dapat ipush yan, its beyond the pre invasion timeline.
@@Ishikawa745 those US allies you refer to were ex- Warsaw pact countries. Now they are NATO countries, they used Soviet/ Russian equipment before Soviet Union collapsed and joined NATO.
Nice! Russian Mil-17 Heavy Lift Helicopters! These export variants are widely used across 70+ countries. However, extensive pilot training is very important because the steep angle-of-attack for this helicopter can lead to accidents. Novice pilots often underestimate the difficulty in this maneuver, see 4:35.
Hopefully including training and spare parts
Well every contract that Philippine army signs have that conditions so you don't have to worry
Yes the training is included.russia will send them to ukraine!
@@wakangmakulet674 lol Russia have so many factories for that so stop talking nonsense
@@unknown-bv2bl absolutely yes and i agree!
You're hoping for that? Lmao it won't happen.
Russia-Ukraine war is not our problem. The Ph should move to whats best for its interests.
Yeah. It should acquire assets from a country not being hammered by sanctions.
@@tropanghayop1728 the russian helicopter acquisition is signed before the war and the sanctions
@@velkoz110 doesn't change the fact that Russia is getting sanctioned defense industry included. You've seen what happned with t129b from turkey right? That sanction is cute compared to what russian is experiencing now.
@@tropanghayop1728 yes there's going to be alot of delay but the downpayment is already paid there's nothing we can do about it
@@velkoz110 that much is obvious. Canceling it is what can be done. Cut your losses early
If there is only an island lifting helicopter then we could've bought it already. This is an excellent addition for humanitarian purposes.
Hope the government will still comtinue this deal. At least this are brand new and not 2nd hand or decades old used helicopters of other countries
some things mi-17 haters missed
✓ it has a rear ramp which is crucial on many applications, so it's like having an NH-90 or Merlin w/out their political baggage, w/out the issues of NH90 as experienced by Australia
✓ it has more MTOW than NH90
✓ no political baggage from the West
✓ used by numerous countries, so no issues on sustainment even w/ Ukraine War.
✓ if Ukraine War continues or intermittent, sustainment will be cheaper since Russia is willing to decrease prices just to sell
✓ if Russia can't fulfill sustainment, that will be an opportunity to source it from another mi-17 user & thus deepen defense relationship, notably India
✓ if Russia won't agree on sourcing it to another country, then it's a breach of contract, thus PH is legally free to do whatever w/ Mi-17
✓ the West say that M-17 is not interoperable & incompatible w/ Western assets but that is only their roundabout way of saying "patronize Western assets only so that we can always control you" - only Western fantards are happy w/ that
there are other reasons but too long to write
That’s correct, the AFP can source of form another Mi-17 user such as India or Turkey, if they cannot procure it directly through Russia.
US uses Mi-17 too lol. PH can ask Vietnam, India, Belarus to overhaul the Mi-17s if the Russians are unreliable in terms of aftersales.
Blackhawk > NH-90 (ask Australia)
@@johna3142 get a better context hoy. di sila kumuha ng Mi 17 for heavy lifting kundi for training. tsaka iilan lang kinuha nila. they still rely sa star 5, their much proven and reliable CH 53 super stallion, CH 47 Chinook, UH 60 black hawk and last but not the least huey for VTOL
@@robertanthonybermudez5545 yup tama. Kaso sa mga CIA ops/ special ops, Dissimilar training/ Evaluation ops, may mga Russian equipment ang US military.
@@johna3142 magkaiba po ang paggamitan ng AFP natin sa mga Helicopters na ito. they use this para nga sa mga nabanggit mo. for our AFP gagamitin ito nila for purely its raw lifting capacity. for disaster relief operations po. with that in mind sa TWG ung CH 47 lang talaga ang pasok 5 units of CH 47 is upto 3x na sa lifting capability ng 17 unit na Mi 17. ang CH 47 compatible pa for in-flight refueling (another advantage na nakita ng TWG) kaya pwedeng iluwas ang relief goods from Mindanao direct to Luzon non-stop flight (non-stop fligh also reduces accidents)
Update: Former Secretary of Defense Lorenzana cancelled the deal
Malaking tulong yan during calamities
Thanks for the update.
Sana ma tuloy tuloy to at di ma tigil...
Perfect pi perd forever amen alleluia
Nung Yolanda nakita ito sa mga relief missions kaya nag take interest ang military natin. More personnel and cargo per sortie.
The problems now are parts/ components supplied by others to Russia's MIL 17 heavy lift helicopters as Russia is currently under sanctioned
Sanctioned on papers, but in actual, still continue trade.
We can ask for spares from India, Ukraine (if war is over), ex Warsaw pact countries (NATO members now), Vietnam, China (BFF naman daw ngayon) etc. if we cannot directly source from the Orcs due to sanctions.
Russia's not the only nation that has parts to maintain MI-17s
The best cargo workHorse helicopter on the world... even the UN and the americans use this Helicopter.
BEST HELICOPTER IN ITS CLASS CHEAP..$12 M(APPROX),MULTI PURPOSE,,CAN BE LOADED WITH ROCKETS, BOMBS,ETC.HEAVIER PAYLOAD,CAN BE USED FOR COMMANDO MISSION....DISASTER RELIEF,HEAVIER LIFT..
idk i don't trust our pilots considering they've crashed other western helicopters. but hey if they crashed these atleast we aren't losing to much
Is this still on the go Admin? I thought they canceled it and went to acquire more Blackhawks instead? Any updated sir?
Glad to see this hardware is destined for long, productive service in the Philippines. And not be sent to get blown up for nothing in Ukraine.
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IF THATS TRUE, THEN ITS GREAT FOR PAF
i have my doubts about this for many reasons…
Yay new vid
Ura 🇷🇺🤝 🇵🇭
❤✌💚👊 Will this be a Duterte acquisition or a Marcos?
Duterte
Pati opv Kay Duterte din mapermahan n un ngayong buwan bago bumaba sa pwesto
Ang Kay Marcos ung mrf at submarine Kung susupurtahan niya afp Ang tanung..
Bad move I think, because after all the sanctions slapped against Russia, we may find it difficult to maintain these helicopters in terms of parts and after sales service.
I think its not because when you purchase a military air assets such as helos and aircraft any where inthe world, US,Russia,UK, etc,etc,etc, there were included technical, and logistical support such as spare parts and others including ammmunition, technology transfer etc,etc. Its irony that even US, Nato European countries military troops used these helos in Afghanistan! But there were also irony in the narratives of many people including some Pilipinos that we should not used Russian made because they were enemy of US and the west and we are pro-american or pro-west! That was a bullshit irrelevant, narrow minded and non logical thinking double standards of views and reasons. NapakaBOBONG KAISIPAN NA NAKAKAINIS AT NAKAKAIRITA, INSIGNIFICANT AND INUTIL MINDSET1
Parts is not a problem 70+ countries are using this type of Choppers. Not to mentiom even USA is using this kind of utility choppers.
*Laughs in Warsaw Pact*
Russia has an advanced aviation industry that is required by Russian military to be self sufficient on all parts of it's military aviation hardware. This self sufficiency extends not only to parts but also on avionics, electronics and semiconductor chips. So all this concern about lack of spare parts is just a result of ignorance.
@@wilardabestano6794 I think the US ones in the Taliban's hands now
Link?
www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1169414
I hope we also aquire Chinooks or even better Osprey V22
Lets focus on chinooks first. Ospreys are harder to operate in a training and logistics standpoint
V22 are so fucking expensive
We are so wealthy. Yeah!
Better if we buy cheap first we need weapon to other sectors like navy
Perfect even the American pilots of NATO REQUESTED THIS TYPE OF HELICOPTER BECAUSE IT CAN WITH STAND WITH ALL TYPES OF WEATHERS PARTICULARLY TH WAR DURING SYRIAN WAR.
the problem of this one today in 2022 the invasion of Ukraine they mate not be able to deliver it because of sanction
I think this deal had already been canceled by former Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana
Not anymore usa told lil doggie filipino you no buy filipino or else!
ch-47 still reliable and very suitable for PAF
Yes but very expensive. With their cost the Air Force would not acquire a sufficient number.
@@paleoph6168 ikr. Are there other alternatives that has similar specs that could be a potential fallback.
If the US wants countries to buy their equipment, then they should make it as competitive in price like the Russians.
its not the about budget or the cost of equipment. Its the ego of the current administration. They want to commit close ties with Putin thats why they also cannot cancel the purchase even there are sanctions against them.
Oo expensive but vastly reliable kumpara dito. Ang russia nga may difficulty na ngayon sa pagkuha ng parts, pano pa ngayon sa AFP kapag gumamit ng russian air assets. Given pa na corrupt to the core ang AFP
even the US have those Mil-17
yeah for the afghan military until the us left and decided it would be a good idea to leave 7 billion dollars worth of equipment
What we need is hyper missiles with tactical nuclear warheads at syempre yung pagkakabitan nun😂
..this better not be funded partially or wholly by US FMS..and way to go PI tell us where you support the rest of the free world..
It used the operating budget, not US annual aid.
Waste of money. With that kind of money baka naka bili na tayo ng several chinooks which a whole lot better than this crap.
I'm glad I really like those Russian helis
Looks like its time for us to learn the russian language
Tatanga ng ibang pinoy dito puro ngak ngak. Gusto chinook at osprey mga hindi nag iisip 🤣🤣 wala tyong budget pambili ng mga american made weapons!
Impluwensya rin kasi ng video games, hindi sila nagreresearch
@@rodeanalfanteforcadela7645 Mga call of duty bois yan. Feeling mura lahat.
@@czaczaczar Totoo 🤣
Pers
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Just wait until the Philippines needs parts for these helicopters and just who is going to be able to work on these Russian helicopters.?
Not enough of the right questions being asked here.
Sanction works only if they are sold in US dollars or settled through SWIFT bank.
It's not about sanctions towards Russia it's about sanctions that might effected to Philippines by US.
PH can bring those Russkie choppers to Vietnam? India? Belarus? Ukraine (If war is ended and back to normal) for overhaul
There are many countries using this chopper so what's your point? Did you do some research?
Russia has an advanced aviation industry that is required by Russian military to be self sufficient on all parts of it's military aviation hardware. This self sufficiency extends not only to parts but also on avionics, electronics and semiconductor chips. So all this concern about lack of spare parts is just a result of ignorance.
so advanced but notorious in aftersales? No wonder why MiG, Sukhoi operators send their fulcrums, flankers to Ukraine or Belarus for overhaul. Even hip helicopters too, being sent to ex-Warsaw pact countries for overhaul.
@@johna3142 the old migs and Soviet era planes were made in Ukraine since Ukraine was the center of Soviet aerospace so they have the necessary tools to fix old Soviet planes. So it makes more sense to fix the planes where they are made and that's why countries send their aircraft to be fixed in these countries.
@@dionium5462 I see. But even newly built SU-30s too. Either at India or Belarus the customers will choose to overhaul, they may have an advanced industry but their aftersales is bad. Now they are allowing MRO centers in India (Su-30) and Egypt, South Africa (Mi-8/17) and now selling maintenance sets to existing customers because of that reputation in aftersales.
Russian weaponry are so damn sexy specially their copters
Remember: 🤔🤔who was willing to sell weapons to the philippines during marawi siege which was 1 of the most critical battle since the administration was fighting terrorist.. we are talking about terrorist armed with hightech guns not just some ordinary group...🙂🙂
The Americans literally had boots on the ground here hell rumours they literally disguised as Philippine troops to fight the terrorist
These have proven to be easy targets for ground launched anti-tank weapons and UAV. No MANPAD needed.
Then again, do our current enemies - rebels and insurgents - have the said weapons?
@@paleoph6168 We have our own indigenous LUTHANG, PINTIK, and Bala Tansan.
@@ktheslasher true lmao
we needed them for relief operations, not just war, this will greatly boost our ability to bring relief goods to hard accessed islands and mountainious towns
@@ktheslasher 😂😂😂😂😂
Not helping the cause
Here comes the slippery slope of the AFP. Kahit ano2 at saan2 na lang galing ang binibili. Walang pagpapahalaga sa logistics ng parts at parts commonality.
Dude, limited ang budget. Eto na yung cheaper option kumpara sa CH-47, in terms of costs and parts availability.
@@gargarmikejaphett.3840 bumili pero wag sa Russia. Do you know what i meant with logistics sa parts and parts commonality given the fact na under sanctions ang russia ngayon?
@@robertanthonybermudez5545
May downpayment na, sayang pera pag nag-back out na.
@@robertanthonybermudez5545 Kung parts pag uusapan mas magmumura ang parts pag mas lalong lumaki sanctions ng Russia at marami rin na bansa nagbebenta ng parts niyan. Research before posting.
@@gargarmikejaphett.3840 kaya nga slippery slope dahil sa mindset na sayang na kasi nagdownpayment na. kung less than 50% lang ang downpayment mo. mas less parin ang lugi mo kesa ibuhos mo lahat knowing na wala naman talagang long term benefit sa iprocure na item
1st☺️
Very Rugged Helicipter!
medyo nakakatakot yung deal right now since we could get sanctions from US if they want to
Kung isanction nila tayo DFA WILL BE CANCEL
I find it unlikely, worst case scenario is the helicopters will be delivered very late...or not at all.
@@johnericramos7136 lol Hindi yan gagawin nang US lalo na at Helicopter lang naman yan bro. Ang babala nang US sa ibang country e yung mga Pandigma talaga like Attack Helicopter and S-400 dyan ka mag kaka sanction sa Palagay ko naman di yan gagawin nang US kasi gagamitin din nang air force yan pang Humanitarian Response at Pang Evacuated nang Civil tsaka mas Capable talaga yan kesa sa Black in terms of Multipurpose missions.
Hindi siguro gagawin nang US sa atin Yan remember Yung atak t129 NG turkey ,Hindi nila nabentahan Ang Pakistan dahil pinagbawal NG US na gamitin Ang engine nila pero sa atin pinayagan Tayo ng US na makakuha
@@lighttv5546 Tama ka dyan bro. Tsaka yung Russia nangako kay digong mag dadag sila nang isang Mi-17 na brand new for VIP Configuration. ♥️
Bad move when you’re only concerned about your well being.
kamusta naman pag tinamaan ng CAATSA tulad na lang ng T129, and daming complications
first
Philippine Air Force wanted to buy Chinooks but Mang Kanor intervened and ordered them to buy Russian helicopters due to political reasons
Dahil sobrahang mahal ng ch chinook
Chinooks are expensive brother
budget my friend
17 vs 5 chinook
San ka pa?
mil mi 17 multi porpose mapa atake transport o rescue all around yan Isa ka sigurong tanga mag budget
typical pinklawan. research ka muna ka bago mgcomment.
Naku, batikos kaliwa't - kanan nnaman toh. Kung ako nag back out nlng ako kahit pre-Ukraine invasion ung deal. Pag kumalat toh meron konting possibility n ma sanction din tayo at ma cancel ung mga foreign European deals natin.
Kakarampot na budget tas nagdownpayment pa, and you want to back out? Sayang ang pera. The country that imposed the sanctions should exempt ph. Especially maraming ganap sa Asia. I think US would make exemptions for it, dahil king hindi papait nanamm ang stamd ng PH sa US. Remember the sanctions on Turkey, diba naexempt tayo. Kaya dapat ipush yan, its beyond the pre invasion timeline.
Di naman Sophisticated yan... Di tayo masasanction ng US. May ibang US allies rin na gumagamit nyan
Colonial mentally ka pa din
Bobo hindi papansinin ng us yan 😂😂 utility lang yan
@@Ishikawa745 those US allies you refer to were ex- Warsaw pact countries. Now they are NATO countries, they used Soviet/ Russian equipment before Soviet Union collapsed and joined NATO.
If this heli requires parts from west. This might not end well...
Madaming bansa ang gumagamit nito, maraming possible sources for spare parts.
@@gargarmikejaphett.3840 Turns out they need alot of stuff from ither countries. They're barely producing anything now because of the sanctions
russian chopper look like siopao. flying coffin
2nd weeeeee
don't do it!!! this will be a bad move!
Very Rugged Helicipter!