omg when I saw the tear down and saw the SSD was swappable, I literally said "I wonder how long 'til dosdude upgrades one" and wow. This is record time! BRAVO!
I don’t care if the ram can’t be upgraded. But, the fact that he can replace the chips and upgrade the memory should be a slap in the face to Apple. You would think that they would just make this something that a user could do.
This might actually one of the best YT videos I have seen in a while: -Extremely well explained -You actually show every single step -You admit when things are not working -You also talk about prices for the chips Your skills are really, really useful and helping people out not getting exploited by shady greedy Apple corp.
Thanks! I try to explain and show the processes done in these videos in enough detail so that anyone with the tools and skills can replicate what I do.
@@dosdude1 You one issue with the nands may be a speed OS issue. I seen it 30 years ago in several custom systems, where dianogs ran OK, but when OS booted the system crashed. It was why we had for one system a can't use together list for a phone system
@@OdinReactor Yeah that $200 price tag from Apple to upgrade each double space spec isn’t so bad. You’d have to have all the tools and love doing this to justify trying it on your own.
@@OdinReactor Well, now he knows that, and will never make that mistake again. We can assume that in a commercial solution, such mistakes would not be made in manufacturing.
UA-cam algorithm is incredible, just watched tear down video of mini few hours back, wondered how long I have to wait till someone releases SSD upgrade video and here I go!!!
dude literally ran to his door.. got the package.. ripped it open... .brought it to his desk... started his camera and started recording 2TB... that musta cost you AT LEAST $700+ that's so much storage! i can't even IMAGINE
just finished the video... 160$ for 2TB... someone tell apple they're overcharging just a little bit. i hope someone sells those modules so ppl can easily upgrade the storage.. that would be awesome to not have to pay $1000 for storage upgrades
@ 😯 i feel a future video! 8TB is mad impressive. One day when I scrounge some cash together, I would like to hire you for a 7448 to a 17" powerbook 1.67ghz upgrade! My heart and mind are stuck in the powerpc world. Maybe we can make my 12" 1.5ghz powerbook a 7448 as well. I bought 6 of them when they last popped up on ebay hahaha. There are still some affordable network switches and other processing cards on eBay with 7448s in them.
DosDude1 is one of a kind..Apple knows there's only just a few people out there in the world that have the skills to do this upgrade and DosDude1 is one of them!! Bravo and hats off!!
Dosdude you’ve got skills. Very impressive man. Your passion is infectious. Thanks for being at the forefront of the upgradeability/repairability community - you’re flying the flag high.
it would be cool to see you or someone start selling the 'cards' or NVME drives with new NAND on it cause that's a lot of work. I'd love a 8TB drive for the price of a 512GB plus NAND😂. I'm just not skilled like that.
@@fujinshu Yeah but Polysoft is asking "premium" prices. Basically not affordable. Agree though! Only a matter of time. Will Apple try to block this though?
Well, thank you for being in the community and doing such awesome things. I’ve been following you since I needed to upgrade a 2009 white MacBook and I stumbled on your Sierra Patcher. Since then I’ve made it to a hobby to buy old Macs dirt cheap and install new software with your tools. Most of the other solutions are buggy but yours work very well.
@@photonganglol2413 You could if it was a regular m.2 card. It's actually not, it's Apple proprietary, and no third-party is selling these (yet), so that's the only solution for now. But won't be for long, so if you're not in a hurry, I suggest that you wait for a few months until someone just releases those.
@@hadi8348 Yah that's a good idea. I'm not the best at soldering and de-soldering literally gives me nightmares so i would for sure mess this up. Thanks though this helps a lot.
wow, didn't think it was possible to reball by hand. I meddled a bit with some chips with 4x4 and "messed till it worked", but never even considered this to be plausible on this level... Using the stencils to squeeze the solder in, and then just heat it up while still in the stencil is just brilliant, thanks for showing this technique!
No Mac mini video will ever compete looool man unboxed broke down and upgraded the SSD within a week on the product being out videoed edited and uploaded. This is some crazy work
Well this was quick!! LOL I thought about you as soon as I saw the teardowns on other channels today. I said next week we will see dosdude get his hands on a Mac Mini. Well I was off by a WEEK and here we are!! AWESOME! Cheers!
Really great video! Watching the reconstruction of the NAND portion, I just said "I'm not worthy" - definitely not an upgrade I could do, but it's nice that it -is- upgradeable! Bravo!
ppl just receiving mac minis today, just today the swappable ssd news broke out then i recalled you already swapped a mac studio ssd, so i was rewatching that, and in recommended there's already your video swapping a m4 mini ssd lmao, you're insane dude kudos
Just like that all the new balls are seated and ready to go...I tried this and all I've got to say is this man is a PROFESSIONAL. I love all your videos and I knew you were going to be the first to do this to the new Mac Mini. Thank you
Where do you get the reballing kit and templates? I guess my question is by the time you have the specific kit to change that M4 chip, you would not to be far off of a bought and guaranteed Mac?
northwestrepair regularly replaces all the VRAM chips on a graphics card, plus RnR's GPU, ie, the PCBs are garbage and usually pulls pads, or the balls just detach/crack. I don't know, maybe 4000s balls just on one card.
@@RealMrStoofusM4 Pro mini RAM has double the bandwidth according to Apple. funny thing is the 24 → 48 GB upgrade on the Pro is at $12.50/GB while the upgrade on base model mac minis say 16 → 32 GB is $25/GB. predatory pricing from Apple once again!
One question, would you be willing to do the SSD upgrade service if I buy a 256GB Mac Mini and increase the storage to 1TB? If you are willing please tell me how we would do it, I am really interested in making a good deal..!
This is the first time I've seen one of these. The layout is just...I mean, what were they thinking? Power button on the underneath? No audio output at the back, where a normal person would want to plug in their desktop speakers?
I would argue that bit about the tools is not actually true. A hot air station is pretty basic tool (and there are affordable ones out there). The solder paste and mask is likely to be the least familiar task for anyone who has not done this kind of rework. But certainly not for the faint of heart if you are not comfortable with those tools.
@@gtcdma probably 1 in 1 million people would have this Equipment laying around or the skills to do the upgrade. i think the upgrades cool and all but its hardly a life saver for the average joe. once you pay for the extra storage chips and pay someone to install it without destroying the board you could have just paid the BS apple tax and bought the 2tb version.
Soooooo, for those of us without a) the tools or b) the skill to do this, are after-market SSD modules available? Or is it an Apple propriety module/connector?
This is absolute madness, wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. A computer is meant to be easily upgradable, they might as well seal it in a glob of resin. lol
@@przemoziolkowski not quite like that. It’s need to be erased on a programmer (what Chinese technicians do before sell) In some devices as i remember the part (or partition) from old nand need to be programmed into new chip so it’s gonna show up as a dfu so you can restore it
Seeing you use that heat gun made me shiver. I usually would have thrown some kind of shielding tape over those capacitors just to be on the safe side. But I'm being paranoid. Awesome vid :)
I wasn’t expecting the new M4 Mini to be so modifiable so i opted for 512, looks to be definitely worth upgrading in the future. Thanks for the video buddy.
I'm guessing for the Base Model M4 the k5A5 NANDs have to be used and those are 512gb each. For the M4 Pro Model you can probably use the k6b2 NANDs that are 1tb each... That's my guess. Can you confirm which NANDs were used for the final 1tb configuration here?
@@dosdude1 That good to know. Thanks for the quick response! I'm going to try this out on the M4 Pro. My brother Custom PC just died after 10 years and this will replace that for Music and Video Production... Now off to find the NAND Programmer and BGS Reballing Stencil you're using.
@@v3zMedia The M4 Pro is going to be a bit different, for 2TB on that, you'll need 4x K5A5s. 4TB and 8TB require using 8 NANDs (either 8x K5A5 for 4TB or 8x K6B2 for 8TB), though it is likely that adding extra passive components will be needed to use the second set of 4 NANDs.
Finally a teardown video of this bloody thing. And it sucks so much. I remember the good old days when that the bottom would just released by giving it a small twist and you could upgrade the ram and hard drive. I demand those days back.
@ You give it a rest. Like most people would even notice that their desktop will be a couple of seconds slower with editing a video. If it’s not user upgradable, when you need more you are forced to buy a complete new computer. Not exactly friendly for the environment now is it like apple claims they are.
@@UA-camr-ku4nk Simpleton, I prefer to keep my computer for many years. My 2012 3rd Gen i5 lasted me for over a decade because both storage and RAM were upgradable. And RAM modules and SSDs cost considerably less than buying a new computer
@@theshadowman1398 you prove his point by saying that old computers are still usable. Some people like their stuff upgradable, some don't know or care. 🤷♂️
Could you give us a later update on whether the K6B2 chips worked with the Mac mini? Or if they were indeed the 512Gb model as well, which we know worked. Thank you and I appreciate the hard work you put into these videos :))
You're a legend for just saying you need a Sequoia machine and swapped your MacBook air for an iMac g4. I won't see anything better on the internet today.
You're my diversion from post-election misery. I'm not an owner of any M series Mac, but simply enjoy watching you tweak these machines. The most astonishing bits here, as always, is reballing the chip. I just know I'd blunder at that stage. You do it so deftly.
I think that will be really helpful in the future as the original SSD can burn out and you won't be able to boot the Machine any further. However, another solution is to get a high end USB C flash drive and boot the entire computer from that. Not only can you find specific sizes of USB C storage devices that can suit your need, you can also get a larger virtual memory block along with that. Then swap out the old flash drive when the cells no longer hold in years terms.
@11:20 What will happen when those two giant electrolytic capacitors decide to start leaking in a number of years? I have to wonder whether or not that's an example of 'planned obsolescence' on the part of Apple.
How did you manage to connect the M4 to a cinema display? I thought it was not even possible to establish communication from M4 to an old Thunderbolt Display even with the TB3 to TB4 adapter.
I think the one he is using is the 23" which is 1920X1200 and uses a standard DVI, so all you'd need is a standard DVI->USB-c or DVI->HDMI adapter. The original 30" apple cinema display uses dual link DVI so if you have an "active"(powered) adapter you can run it at 2560×1600. I used one on my 4,1 Mac Pro at one point but finding the adapters are hit and miss
@@ConnectSacred Thanks! What about the 2011-2016 Thunderbolt Display? Seems to be only supported up to M3‘s with the TB3 to TB2 official adapter, but not longer M4’s seemingly.
is it or will it be possible to simply by the module with higher capacity storage already installed? Then you could just swap the modules making the entire process much simpler.
Awesome work as always. With these removable daughterboards for storage, am I wrong in assuming that producing replacement boards (and thus replacement "drives" with pre-soldered NAND) would be a pretty reasonable undertaking for someone with the necessary skills and resources?
The Apple jail. Want more storage? sorry, it's a proprietary module, that'll be £800 please. If you want an easier life, use technology built around standards and interoperability.
If I was purchasing one, I'd have gotten the base spec and put the fast USB to good use. 1 TB SSDs are like $60 nowadays. 4 TB HDDs are $85 apparently.
the only thing I want out of a new mac is changeable storage, so just want to know if you would be able to just change the module later down the line? its just crap when a mac, messes up because nands go bad, making a machine really difficult to fix.
Gotta love the clean, black, sleek design of the INTERIOR of the Mac. Something 99.999% of owners will never see. But nevertheless Apple sweats the details and makes it look good. That’s the Jobs legacy still carrying on.
it mostly just makes it harder to repair since nothing is labeled. You could do this whole upgrade process that involves soldering, specialized tools, and voiding your warranty. or.. you could buy a non-apple mini-PC, open it up with the easily accessible screws, unplug the standard SSD inside, and plug in a higher capacity one from any brand. But I guess some black paint is worth more than being consumer friendly.
@@owen-trombone With rolex you pay for the brand, but at least the quality is the same, if not better than Timex. With Apple, you get straight up worse products (with a few exceptions, airpods are pretty dang good even if slightly overpriced) while also paying for the brand. And Apple isn't even all that exclusive anyways, someone has a rolex I'm like "This guy is rich", someone has a brand new IPhone I'm like "This guy is stupid."
@@owen-trombone I like my tech products to actually work well and be worth what I paid for them. I can't play most games on macOS, nor can I use the softwares my work requires. Maybe some day you'll realize computers can do more than browse the internet and edit photos, although I would be lying if I said I believe in you, seeing how brain dead all the Apple propaganda made you.
It would be great to check the Mini M4 Pro as it allows up to 8TB storage configuration. I am wondering if they used two separate slots as in Studio or some other solution.
Watching the power of the M4 Mac mini transform with this upgrade is amazing! It's like unleashing a whole new level of potential in an already impressive machine. Who else is thinking about upgrading theirs now
Great! Thanks for showing how to do it. The whole process is so simple, now I can buy the cheapest Mac mini and upgrade it myself. Lots of money saved.
You Help me back in the Day with a 2012 macbook pro getting a up to date system on it i was watching this and recognised your voice only you can do this. thanks for all you do for this space. some time must pass before i try this. ha ha all he best
Once there is the software support for it, though then again, if Macs became dominant then the software support would follow, I wish Apple used the LPCAMM2 RAM modules rather than the LPDDR soldered modules, they have to my knowledge essentially the same performance and efficiency, it’s just that Apple would be able to focus on manufacturing the main unit with all the non changeable stuff and the throw in the proper RAM module when people select that RAM amount, you know that is what they are doing with the storage (along with the fact that it makes it so that if storage fails it can just be replaced) so why not the RAM as well, does it really save that much space to solder it
That’s why I was able to keep my 2012 MBP for 10 years, upgrading as needed But Apple wants you to upgrade more often than that. So they don’t let you upgrade anymore So I don’t want to buy them anymore. But are users foolish/trapped enough to change?
@@babybloc no they don’t they want you to upgrade when they stop supporting the device, otherwise they would have give you a higher amount off of the new device when you trade in your old one, they stop supporting the model of Mac they release after like 10 years
omg when I saw the tear down and saw the SSD was swappable, I literally said "I wonder how long 'til dosdude upgrades one" and wow. This is record time! BRAVO!
Literally same!😂 It only took 44 minutes and this is the same guy who upgraded his m1 mac studio too
Definitely amazing i thought it might take few weeks
“SSD” doesn’t even have to be swappable for dosdude to upgrade it.
apple users when a computer lets you upgrade something that should've always been upgradable: OMG!!1111 AMAZING!11
I don’t care if the ram can’t be upgraded. But, the fact that he can replace the chips and upgrade the memory should be a slap in the face to Apple. You would think that they would just make this something that a user could do.
This might actually one of the best YT videos I have seen in a while:
-Extremely well explained
-You actually show every single step
-You admit when things are not working
-You also talk about prices for the chips
Your skills are really, really useful and helping people out not getting exploited by shady greedy Apple corp.
Thanks! I try to explain and show the processes done in these videos in enough detail so that anyone with the tools and skills can replicate what I do.
@@dosdude1 Where do we get to buy the K6 B2 nand?
@@chrisloydchristie4991 They are available from AliExpress.
@@dosdude1 You one issue with the nands may be a speed OS issue. I seen it 30 years ago in several custom systems, where dianogs ran OK, but when OS booted the system crashed. It was why we had for one system a can't use together list for a phone system
I look forward to the day they will answer for their cheating of the public.
90 dollars and a lot of soldering skill and some special gear.
Respect. This is beyond my skill level.
That’s what I said too
Don't forget the $160 memory he bought that didn't work. That is also part of the expense.
This is beyond 99,9999% of the people interested skill level and it is absolutely pointless.
@@OdinReactor Yeah that $200 price tag from Apple to upgrade each double space spec isn’t so bad. You’d have to have all the tools and love doing this to justify trying it on your own.
@@OdinReactor Well, now he knows that, and will never make that mistake again. We can assume that in a commercial solution, such mistakes would not be made in manufacturing.
You are a mad man tearing it down just minutes after powering it on for the first time. I could never
UA-cam algorithm is incredible, just watched tear down video of mini few hours back, wondered how long I have to wait till someone releases SSD upgrade video and here I go!!!
Great idea to use the new Mac mini upside down. No issue accessing the power button now!
and now it has a nice pedestal for your coffee cup too!
And it keeps the cofee warm@@__Lento__
@@__Lento__ :shudder:
Better airflow too
u mean right way up
"i gotta go get a mac running sequoia"
cut to an imac g4 lmao
That was so funny 😂
opencore legacy patcher really does wonders! /s
What about using the other mac with pre-sequoia and using the right (middle) port?
Thats what I thought too 🤣🤣
M4 mini swap with G4 cube!
dude literally ran to his door.. got the package.. ripped it open... .brought it to his desk... started his camera and started recording
2TB... that musta cost you AT LEAST $700+ that's so much storage! i can't even IMAGINE
That is literally exactly what I did.
just finished the video... 160$ for 2TB... someone tell apple they're overcharging just a little bit.
i hope someone sells those modules so ppl can easily upgrade the storage.. that would be awesome to not have to pay $1000 for storage upgrades
Laughs in 6tb, but not apple
@@goclunker Up to 8TB is possible on the M4 Pro model, which supports 8 NAND chips.
@ 😯 i feel a future video! 8TB is mad impressive. One day when I scrounge some cash together, I would like to hire you for a 7448 to a 17" powerbook 1.67ghz upgrade!
My heart and mind are stuck in the powerpc world. Maybe we can make my 12" 1.5ghz powerbook a 7448 as well. I bought 6 of them when they last popped up on ebay hahaha.
There are still some affordable network switches and other processing cards on eBay with 7448s in them.
DosDude1 is one of a kind..Apple knows there's only just a few people out there in the world that have the skills to do this upgrade and DosDude1 is one of them!! Bravo and hats off!!
Thanks!
Dosdude you’ve got skills. Very impressive man. Your passion is infectious. Thanks for being at the forefront of the upgradeability/repairability community - you’re flying the flag high.
My man has skills. Great video and content!
I was blown away by this video.
In before 1 million views.
Jeff no Pi's here
How is gpu on raspberry pi project goes so far? Is there any news that wasn't in newest videos?
@@rem_0a lot actually! Got the 6000 series AMD cards working well, and now working on 7000 series!
A teardown and storage upgrade on the MBP will probably have a ton of views too
Hdy Jeff
it would be cool to see you or someone start selling the 'cards' or NVME drives with new NAND on it cause that's a lot of work. I'd love a 8TB drive for the price of a 512GB plus NAND😂. I'm just not skilled like that.
Already is happening with the Mac Studio over at Polysoft, but will probably take a while for new Mac Mini compatible NAND modules to be made.
@@fujinshu Yeah but Polysoft is asking "premium" prices. Basically not affordable. Agree though! Only a matter of time. Will Apple try to block this though?
@ awesome thanks! I’ll be on the look out. Figured someone was doing it.
Someone's going to make a killing when mini drives are for sale. Anything is better than what apple charges in house.
@@chinito77 It's probably going to be Polysoft, if they can find a way to retool their Mac Studio PCBs for the Mac Mini.
Well, thank you for being in the community and doing such awesome things. I’ve been following you since I needed to upgrade a 2009 white MacBook and I stumbled on your Sierra Patcher. Since then I’ve made it to a hobby to buy old Macs dirt cheap and install new software with your tools. Most of the other solutions are buggy but yours work very well.
One of the less frustrating videos out there. You talk about basically everything that I would have had to ask in other videos. Awesome job man !
do you nerds know why he has to solder the storage chips? Are you allowed to just swap the whole m.2 card?
@@photonganglol2413 You could if it was a regular m.2 card. It's actually not, it's Apple proprietary, and no third-party is selling these (yet), so that's the only solution for now. But won't be for long, so if you're not in a hurry, I suggest that you wait for a few months until someone just releases those.
@@hadi8348 Yah that's a good idea. I'm not the best at soldering and de-soldering literally gives me nightmares so i would for sure mess this up. Thanks though this helps a lot.
26:22 it’s not only flashing, it morses SOS, which is phenomenal
that was a thing since basically the beginning of MacBooks
@mewity I know, they used to beep. That reminiscence is what makes it phenomenal 😉
Have you looked up the definition of “phenomenal” or do you just use words to sound wordy?
@@billgates3699 chill out billiam
Apple being apple
Bob Dos: Today we are going to paint some happy little NAND clouds...
Awesome comment man 😂
I knew it was coming, but I didn’t expect this quick! Great work man. Insane.
You know I had to!
me too😂.
It’s such a good price on these but they’re neutered by the small storage
Man, your work worth lots more than the upgrade for humans like men using it online to Mac. Awesome work.
wow, didn't think it was possible to reball by hand. I meddled a bit with some chips with 4x4 and "messed till it worked", but never even considered this to be plausible on this level... Using the stencils to squeeze the solder in, and then just heat it up while still in the stencil is just brilliant, thanks for showing this technique!
steady hands required 😂
@@fullofnuts yeah, I won't be trying _that_ anytime soon... still, to know that it's possible at all is... wow...
Linus LTT just gave you a shoutout less than ten minutes ago on WAN show livestream! Your timing is unintenionally perfect! :D
Yeah for time stamp it is around 1 hour and 32 minutes into the livestream
I think he did it last week too. Or at least brought it up
@@jessiethedude he didn't remember the name of any specific channel last week.
I think he talked about iboff RCCs channel not Dosdude
I guess that's why YT recommended this video to me. I watched that WAN show
No Mac mini video will ever compete looool man unboxed broke down and upgraded the SSD within a week on the product being out videoed edited and uploaded. This is some crazy work
waiting for a casual commentary by jerrtrigeverything.
Well this was quick!! LOL I thought about you as soon as I saw the teardowns on other channels today. I said next week we will see dosdude get his hands on a Mac Mini. Well I was off by a WEEK and here we are!! AWESOME! Cheers!
Apple should offer this type of storage upgrading on all of their Macs, including selling of different storage options. Thx for making this vid!👍
Don’t hold your breath. You see how much they charge to upgrade the storage from new.
@@swooshdave A lot and much more than on the PC, however at least it will be modular and easier for the repairers to solder replacement NAND chips.
They will never do it.
Really great video! Watching the reconstruction of the NAND portion, I just said "I'm not worthy" - definitely not an upgrade I could do, but it's nice that it -is- upgradeable! Bravo!
ppl just receiving mac minis today, just today the swappable ssd news broke out
then i recalled you already swapped a mac studio ssd, so i was rewatching that, and in recommended there's already your video swapping a m4 mini ssd lmao, you're insane dude kudos
wow, ur sch a smrt n' cnning flla!
Just like that all the new balls are seated and ready to go...I tried this and all I've got to say is this man is a PROFESSIONAL. I love all your videos and I knew you were going to be the first to do this to the new Mac Mini. Thank you
Where do you get the reballing kit and templates?
I guess my question is by the time you have the specific kit to change that M4 chip, you would not to be far off of a bought and guaranteed Mac?
I was so anticipating this video the moment I saw that the SSD was not soldered. Thanks for making it!
You got brass balls desoldering the NAND and placing new ones so precisely. -Former ACMT
Hard task to master @mikelikeschannel
@@StudentRadioITromso❤
Word!
northwestrepair regularly replaces all the VRAM chips on a graphics card, plus RnR's GPU, ie, the PCBs are garbage and usually pulls pads, or the balls just detach/crack. I don't know, maybe 4000s balls just on one card.
How do you align it correctly ? seems like he is eyeballing it but probably not
Me clicking on the video: OMG I’m gonna get a Mini and do this too!
Me at 19:31: 😱 I’m never gonna do this
lemmie tell you!!!! That re-balling HUMBLED ME SO FAST!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
you need balls to reball-it! 🤣🤣
This should be the top comment 😂 same here!
Grow some b...s :)
I'm like "re-NOPE."
Damn. For a hot second I thought I’d be able to just buy and install a new part. Thanks Apple
Also you’re doing gods work
Not yet, but if the Mac Studio is anything to go by, there CAN probably be a new carrier board for these chips.
There WILL be third-party modules that just drop in
@@LoganDark4357 you still need an extra mac to install the os though.
@@sadiporter2966you can buy another mini, it will still probably be cheaper than the storage upgrade 😂
@@sadiporter2966actually the part where the mac is needed is to reprogramm the Nands
Got mine today too. Just for reference, the factory 1 TB config runs about 3 GB/s too.
No whining, just the helpful info... That's a gentleman, thank you.
Bro sacrificed his money to give us info
M4 Pro with 2TB runs ~6.8GB/s Read, ~5GB/s write
@@RealMrStoofusM4 Pro mini RAM has double the bandwidth according to Apple. funny thing is the 24 → 48 GB upgrade on the Pro is at $12.50/GB while the upgrade on base model mac minis say 16 → 32 GB is $25/GB. predatory pricing from Apple once again!
@@RealMrStoofusmore like 3 gb 🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop lying
We all expected this, I just didn't expect it to be this soon lol
Yeah lol
Can u say u why u expected this, apple being anti repair I least expected this
Same module with Mac Studio btw
One question, would you be willing to do the SSD upgrade service if I buy a 256GB Mac Mini and increase the storage to 1TB? If you are willing please tell me how we would do it, I am really interested in making a good deal..!
I love how you use the word "just", then proceed to do some prestidigitation followed by black magic.
protect this man at all costs!
This isn’t Boeing 😂
bro acting like as if he's being hunted by FBI
With your keyboards!
😂ffs
Whooo! Yeah baby! Thats what we’ve all been waiting for, that’s what it’s all about! Whooo!
So glad you don't have to preprogram those NANDs any more. Nice one, especially doing this to your very first new mac even before really using it
This is the first time I've seen one of these. The layout is just...I mean, what were they thinking? Power button on the underneath? No audio output at the back, where a normal person would want to plug in their desktop speakers?
1M views!!!!!! I’m sure one of those views is Tim Cook, with a big smile on his face.
How could Tim not respect the ingenuity of Dosdude!
Dosdude makes this look about 100x easier than it actually is. Not only that, but you need very expensive equipment. This guy is a fuckin pro.
I would argue that bit about the tools is not actually true. A hot air station is pretty basic tool (and there are affordable ones out there). The solder paste and mask is likely to be the least familiar task for anyone who has not done this kind of rework. But certainly not for the faint of heart if you are not comfortable with those tools.
All he's using is a hot air machine, which is not expensive at all.
@@rars0n I would net let my own fat fingers near the internals of a Mac Mini, a Macbook Pro or an iMac but it makes for great viewing.
Equipment is not that expensive. You can get a decent soldering hot air gun for, like, $200.
@@gtcdma probably 1 in 1 million people would have this Equipment laying around or the skills to do the upgrade. i think the upgrades cool and all but its hardly a life saver for the average joe. once you pay for the extra storage chips and pay someone to install it without destroying the board you could have just paid the BS apple tax and bought the 2tb version.
Little note, the amber light in DFU mode is flashing S.O.S. in Morse code
Nice thinking of developers
that solder paste is a massive improvement over the old method of the individual solder balls...
What exact NAND chips did you use? And where do you usually get them? Would help a lot!
Soooooo, for those of us without a) the tools or b) the skill to do this, are after-market SSD modules available? Or is it an Apple propriety module/connector?
$90 to upgrade to 1tb, Apple could never
90$ Is absurd
It’s the price for used chips, that’s been grabbed most of the times from icloud locked ipads and macs
@@therealuzr But I think it needs to be brand new empty chip. Not sure :)
This is absolute madness, wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. A computer is meant to be easily upgradable, they might as well seal it in a glob of resin. lol
@@przemoziolkowski not quite like that. It’s need to be erased on a programmer (what Chinese technicians do before sell)
In some devices as i remember the part (or partition) from old nand need to be programmed into new chip so it’s gonna show up as a dfu so you can restore it
Seeing you use that heat gun made me shiver. I usually would have thrown some kind of shielding tape over those capacitors just to be on the safe side.
But I'm being paranoid. Awesome vid :)
I wasn’t expecting the new M4 Mini to be so modifiable so i opted for 512, looks to be definitely worth upgrading in the future. Thanks for the video buddy.
I'm guessing for the Base Model M4 the k5A5 NANDs have to be used and those are 512gb each. For the M4 Pro Model you can probably use the k6b2 NANDs that are 1tb each... That's my guess. Can you confirm which NANDs were used for the final 1tb configuration here?
2x K5A5 were used, yes. It does support 2x K6B2 as well for 2TB.
@@dosdude1 K5A8-1TB will also work? they are half the price of 6
@@igorxcpl No, K5A8 is NOT compatible with this machine.
@@dosdude1 That good to know. Thanks for the quick response! I'm going to try this out on the M4 Pro. My brother Custom PC just died after 10 years and this will replace that for Music and Video Production... Now off to find the NAND Programmer and BGS Reballing Stencil you're using.
@@v3zMedia The M4 Pro is going to be a bit different, for 2TB on that, you'll need 4x K5A5s. 4TB and 8TB require using 8 NANDs (either 8x K5A5 for 4TB or 8x K6B2 for 8TB), though it is likely that adding extra passive components will be needed to use the second set of 4 NANDs.
Apple still making it ever harder to upgrade and restore. Finally a proper upgrade. New sub here.
dosdude is the GOAT as always
f4mi :D
Eyyyy it's f4mi
Good to see you in action, as always. The all mighty dosdude!
Finally a teardown video of this bloody thing. And it sucks so much. I remember the good old days when that the bottom would just released by giving it a small twist and you could upgrade the ram and hard drive. I demand those days back.
Upgradable ram would make it slower since they would have to be off the soc
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You give it a rest. Like most people would even notice that their desktop will be a couple of seconds slower with editing a video. If it’s not user upgradable, when you need more you are forced to buy a complete new computer. Not exactly friendly for the environment now is it like apple claims they are.
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It’s not like you would through it away. You would sell it and someone would buy it instead of a new one.
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Simpleton, I prefer to keep my computer for many years. My 2012 3rd Gen i5 lasted me for over a decade because both storage and RAM were upgradable. And RAM modules and SSDs cost considerably less than buying a new computer
@@theshadowman1398 you prove his point by saying that old computers are still usable. Some people like their stuff upgradable, some don't know or care. 🤷♂️
Could you give us a later update on whether the K6B2 chips worked with the Mac mini? Or if they were indeed the 512Gb model as well, which we know worked. Thank you and I appreciate the hard work you put into these videos :))
My god ! Your old monitor is just perfect with this new Mac mini 😍
You're a legend for just saying you need a Sequoia machine and swapped your MacBook air for an iMac g4. I won't see anything better on the internet today.
You're my diversion from post-election misery. I'm not an owner of any M series Mac, but simply enjoy watching you tweak these machines. The most astonishing bits here, as always, is reballing the chip. I just know I'd blunder at that stage. You do it so deftly.
I think that will be really helpful in the future as the original SSD can burn out and you won't be able to boot the Machine any further. However, another solution is to get a high end USB C flash drive and boot the entire computer from that. Not only can you find specific sizes of USB C storage devices that can suit your need, you can also get a larger virtual memory block along with that. Then swap out the old flash drive when the cells no longer hold in years terms.
The crazy part is manufacturing these things on an industrial scale is remarkable.
@11:20 What will happen when those two giant electrolytic capacitors decide to start leaking in a number of years? I have to wonder whether or not that's an example of 'planned obsolescence' on the part of Apple.
Mr dosdude you are a legend. Thank you for your efforts
How did you manage to connect the M4 to a cinema display? I thought it was not even possible to establish communication from M4 to an old Thunderbolt Display even with the TB3 to TB4 adapter.
I think the one he is using is the 23" which is 1920X1200 and uses a standard DVI, so all you'd need is a standard DVI->USB-c or DVI->HDMI adapter. The original 30" apple cinema display uses dual link DVI so if you have an "active"(powered) adapter you can run it at 2560×1600. I used one on my 4,1 Mac Pro at one point but finding the adapters are hit and miss
@@ConnectSacred Thanks! What about the 2011-2016 Thunderbolt Display? Seems to be only supported up to M3‘s with the TB3 to TB2 official adapter, but not longer M4’s seemingly.
@@paco3447 the apple cinema display 2011 use mini displayport(not thunderbolt) so I know those will work, not sure about the thunderbolt displays
اضن ان آبل لن تكون سعيدة بما فعلت .... انت شجاع و متمكن احسنت يا رجل 🎉
i really love every video of dosdude :D hopefully you can sucessfully upgrade this mac mini to 2 or 8tb soon ;) greetings from switzerland
We need to protect this man. Also teach us the learning path so hardware enthusiasts can follow in your shoes
Your expertise is in another level, thank you for sharing!
OWC would come with 2TB NAND board in a week or two for 300USD. This base M4 MacMini is GOAT.
I am probably able to replace the entire board, but no way I will attempt to replace the NAND chips on the board.
The unbinned M4 Pro is the real GOAT
In another word, I don’t have to solder? Like just swap it and it’s ready to go?
@@DistinctiveMusic you need to replace both modules though (because it's not NVMe, it's raw NAND modules configured as a stripe array)
@ I meant replacing the entire PCB.
You're a legend! I wish this process was easier for the average person, but its still really cool that it's possible!
Really impressive! There is a zero percent chance of me doing this myself, but it was really interesting to watch and learn about.
This is unintentional ASMR. Compelling to watch and listen to. Nice job 👍
Not a mac user, and my first time here. Your dedication made me stay! Subbed!
What a quick and easy upgrade than anybody at home can do!
Thanks god apple made it so easy for anybody to upgrade storage 😂
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Thank you for showing the performance test for the base M4 every reviewer got the Pro version.
Wow, I was expectling at least 6 weeks befre somone had a pop at this! Well done and thanks.
That already awesome video got ten times cooler when plugging the brand new 2024 Mac mini to a 22 years old iMac G4 😍
Best m4 Mac mini review until now 🎉
You may only be a DOS dude, but you are a Mac god.
Incredible job! I thank you for buying a mini and sharing this with us. I appreciate this!
is it or will it be possible to simply by the module with higher capacity storage already installed? Then you could just swap the modules making the entire process much simpler.
base Mac mini with ssd swap is great value for money 🥳
FrankenMac Lives Great Work Doctor!!!
Forever thankful I can just plunk an new m.2 drive in my Windows laptop or PC.
Awesome work as always. With these removable daughterboards for storage, am I wrong in assuming that producing replacement boards (and thus replacement "drives" with pre-soldered NAND) would be a pretty reasonable undertaking for someone with the necessary skills and resources?
Neat video, thanks! There's no way I'm going to try this, but I just wondered.... is it pretty much impossible to re-ball the chip without a stencil?
I always love it when people do work arounds for the Apple tax
The Apple jail. Want more storage? sorry, it's a proprietary module, that'll be £800 please. If you want an easier life, use technology built around standards and interoperability.
If I was purchasing one, I'd have gotten the base spec and put the fast USB to good use. 1 TB SSDs are like $60 nowadays. 4 TB HDDs are $85 apparently.
@@6581punk That is not an easier life. Just a cheaper one.
@@masterkamen371 eh i saw 1 on sale for 60$ but i think it was there for more then a year so... ye apple tax is crazy
@@masterkamen371 true since it's not a MacBook external storage is less of an issue and still pretty fast.
Your business is going to skyrocket
32:40 gigabytes is technically correct
May I ask if you use a pre heater.
280 to 300 C usually works just for underfill cleaning, for nand removal usually 400 C does the job
the only thing I want out of a new mac is changeable storage, so just want to know if you would be able to just change the module later down the line? its just crap when a mac, messes up because nands go bad, making a machine really difficult to fix.
Yeah, the module itself can be replaced with another no issue.
Gotta love the clean, black, sleek design of the INTERIOR of the Mac. Something 99.999% of owners will never see. But nevertheless Apple sweats the details and makes it look good. That’s the Jobs legacy still carrying on.
it mostly just makes it harder to repair since nothing is labeled.
You could do this whole upgrade process that involves soldering, specialized tools, and voiding your warranty. or.. you could buy a non-apple mini-PC, open it up with the easily accessible screws, unplug the standard SSD inside, and plug in a higher capacity one from any brand.
But I guess some black paint is worth more than being consumer friendly.
@ Some people like Rolex, some people like Timex 🤷
@@owen-trombone With rolex you pay for the brand, but at least the quality is the same, if not better than Timex.
With Apple, you get straight up worse products (with a few exceptions, airpods are pretty dang good even if slightly overpriced) while also paying for the brand.
And Apple isn't even all that exclusive anyways, someone has a rolex I'm like "This guy is rich", someone has a brand new IPhone I'm like "This guy is stupid."
@ some people just have better taste, it’s ok. One day you might get there too. I believe in you!
@@owen-trombone I like my tech products to actually work well and be worth what I paid for them.
I can't play most games on macOS, nor can I use the softwares my work requires.
Maybe some day you'll realize computers can do more than browse the internet and edit photos, although I would be lying if I said I believe in you, seeing how brain dead all the Apple propaganda made you.
What about M4 pro model? 8TB DIY possible? Thanks
If the pro using two NAND board ala mac studio, that's very possible
Apple has billions.
Dosdude has tools.
Dosdude makes UA-cam better. Those who agree will like this comment (and yes, I am seeking attention lol).
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@@costincalit7737many thanks!!
Apple is now a TRILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS. IT HAS BEEN IN THE TRILLION $$ for a while now
Congrats on successful upgrade! Very impressive. Sorry about the bad 1TB nands
It would be great to check the Mini M4 Pro as it allows up to 8TB storage configuration. I am wondering if they used two separate slots as in Studio or some other solution.
Watching the power of the M4 Mac mini transform with this upgrade is amazing! It's like unleashing a whole new level of potential in an already impressive machine. Who else is thinking about upgrading theirs now
Definitively worthy of Upgrade @stabironabb
Don't know what power you mean. It's literally less stress to just buy the 256gig model which also has two nands and just plug in an external ssd.
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You sir are a legend.
Great video, and nice upgrade! But what did you do about the copper foil layer?
I left it omitted. It's only RF shielding for FCC compliance, not a big deal to omit in normal use.
Great! Thanks for showing how to do it. The whole process is so simple, now I can buy the cheapest Mac mini and upgrade it myself. Lots of money saved.
You Help me back in the Day with a 2012 macbook pro getting a up to date system on it i was watching this and recognised your voice only you can do this. thanks for all you do for this space. some time must pass before i try this. ha ha all he best
Man, if Apple had sane prices and swappable components, all Macs would become a defacto standard and often a no-brainer...
Once there is the software support for it, though then again, if Macs became dominant then the software support would follow, I wish Apple used the LPCAMM2 RAM modules rather than the LPDDR soldered modules, they have to my knowledge essentially the same performance and efficiency, it’s just that Apple would be able to focus on manufacturing the main unit with all the non changeable stuff and the throw in the proper RAM module when people select that RAM amount, you know that is what they are doing with the storage (along with the fact that it makes it so that if storage fails it can just be replaced) so why not the RAM as well, does it really save that much space to solder it
That’s why I was able to keep my 2012 MBP for 10 years, upgrading as needed
But Apple wants you to upgrade more often than that. So they don’t let you upgrade anymore
So I don’t want to buy them anymore. But are users foolish/trapped enough to change?
@@babybloc no they don’t they want you to upgrade when they stop supporting the device, otherwise they would have give you a higher amount off of the new device when you trade in your old one, they stop supporting the model of Mac they release after like 10 years