How Erdoğan came to power
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2022
- Turkey has acquired a central power role in the global arena, favored especially by the changing international environment and the not always far-sighted choices of the current President of the Republic Tayyip Recep Erdoğan. Since the birth of the Republic of Turkey in 1923, the country has tried to reconcile typically Western democratic values with the precepts of Sunni Islam, with results that haven't always lived up to expectations. Let's talk about it in this short documentary.
Sources used for this video (most of them in italian unfortunately):
- V. Gay, "La Turchia: Opportunità e Sfide di una Potenza Geopolitica", Luiss, 2016;
- C. Decaro Bonella, "Itineari costituzionali a confronto", 2013;
- A. Biagini, "Storia della Turchia contemporanea", 2005;
- A. Stein, "The Fallout of the Failed Coup", The American Interest, 2016;
- S. E. Cornell, "A Botched Coup and Turkey's Descent into Madness", Wilfred Martens Center for
European Studies, 2016;
- V. Talbot, "Erdogan in cerca di rivalutazione", ISPI, 2022.
1:30 Arabic was never the official language of Turkey rather it was Ottoman Turkish, it was just the Arabic script that got replaced by Latin
ya know considering all the sources he used you'd think he'd avoid such a mistake
@@Juanguar no he's right actually
@@skan8494 elaborate
@@Juanguar before, turks used arabic alphabet because they were muslims, so it's easy to read the Quran and not study a whole new language. Actually you'll find in the "new" Turkish language lots of arabic words. But when Kemal Atatürk came, he switched to latin as the standard alphabet for turkish. If you can read arabic (such as me) you'll probably don't understand ancien turk letters (if you find some on internet) even though it's arabic script
@@skan8494 well yeah thats exactly what OP said
so the video is still wrong despite having so many sources
it is indeed arabic script but not arabic language
Uhm, Arabic wasn't the national language of the Ottoman Empire. The script was based on the Arabic script.
@Frayzer Still not fully arabic.
Its name comes from the Qur'an. Not because there are Arabic letters in Ottoman Turkish. The best example of this is the Karakhanid ruler Sultan Satuk Buğra Han, who took the name "Abdulkerim" after accepting Islam. In the approximately 1250-year Turkish-Islamic history, it is quite natural that beautiful names mentioned in the Qur'an are given to people. Let's come to the language revolution. If you compare Arabic and Turkish, you will see incredible philological differences. Very simply, pronouns in Turkish are the same for male and female, whereas in Arabic, like English, pronouns for male and female are separate. Yes, there was a language revolution in the Republican era. It is true that many Arabic words have been deleted from our language due to Atatürk's hostility towards Arabs. But in a country with close to 12 million people at that time, it is really stupid to believe that an incredibly deep-rooted language like Arabic was translated into a completely different language overnight. It has been 100 years since the foundation of the Republic and we can communicate with our grandfathers very easily. Moreover, these people do not know anything about Arabic.
Efe is a Turkish name
@Frayzer Yeah but, he has a Turkish name too.
@Frayzer The rate of foreign words in Turkish is 14 percent. Arabic, Persian, French and English are included in 14 percent.(as a Turk)
0:29 rip nakhchivan
EDIT: Great video that mistake aside! I wasn't expecting it to be this well researched and in depth.
@Tigran Hakobyan sir, this is a wendy's
Just so you know: the p in "coup" is silent. It's pronounced "coo".
pesky french words
Yep.
Man's Italian, cut him some slack. It probably takes all his concentration stopping himself from gesticulating wildly.
@@organicmonkfish he's from Tuscany, and Tuscans aren't these great gesticulators in comparison with Romans and Southerners. They are famous for their profuse swearing, though. 🤣
@@stefanodadamo6809 0
Your English is improving greatly. You doing an awesome job
I would just like to say Ive recently come across this channel and enjoy it very much, thank you for the work and effort you put into the videos.
Arabic was never an official language of Ottoman Empire. You’re wrong with that. People spoke Ottoman Turkish and used mixture of Arabic and Persian alphabet. Very less people which is around 10 percent were able to write and read in Ottoman Empire because Ottoman alphabet did not fit with Turkish language.
persian alphabet. nothing like that ever. persians didnt even develop a written language
@@soheil527 ottoman turkish was written in the persoarabic script. I think it was the persians that added the harakats in the arabic script. Anyway, before the arabic script they used the pahlavi script. Don't forget that your ancestors adopted persian culture. Even the state's official language was Persian at some point.
tamam arap alfabesi kötüde latin alfabesi ne !biz latinmiyiz?? göktürk alfabesi ne güne duruyordu
Ataturk did what he had to do to prevent other extremist movements from rising to power and wanted to stay away from idealogies such as fascism and communism. In order to do this he had to introduce what is now known as the 6 arrows and ruled with a more authoritarian stance in the government. Although he did this, the country still managed to benefit from it and he still managed to gain respect from the west such as Jfk in the future and even Churchill in the past. Hitl3r would also go on to later idolise him although this isn`t such a good thing.
kudos to you! this english channel of yours is top notch!
great video as always
Turkey's official language was always Turkish but with arabic script and Atatürk removed arabic script as it was incompatible with Turkish language.
Always quality !
Nice vid my guy
I like your videos sooo much.. you should upload more of these videos.
Nice video
good video, thank you for your work
nice video
No one will get rid of Islam no matter how hard you try
It was gotten rid of in Spain during the crusade it was gotten rid of in Albania when it was under communism
@@Redkodiak1994 And now there’s 1.3 million Muslims in Spain and Islam in Albania is thriving :) you can never eject our deen
wrong, recent studies in turkiye show a decline in the amount of practicing muslims in Turkiye. More people are slowly switching over to atheism in a bid to become more westernised
Congratulations to Turkiye 🇹🇷 100 years as a nation-state!!
10/29/1923-10/29/2023
From an American
🇺🇲 🤝 🇹🇷
I highly recommend the UA-cam series "The Turkish Century" by Kraut.
Thanks!
good video
Exellent job,Young Men.
No wtf?reported the video
*Nice research pal!* 👍
is this this guys only channel? this and Nova Lectio? does he write/ make videos on another channel?
I make videos in italian on another channel, it’s called “Flashpoint”
- Jacopo -
1:30 Arabic was never the official language. It was Turkish but written in alphabet of the Quran. It is called Ottoman Turkish nowadays. Turks used this alphabet since they converted to Islam.
In portuguese language is Turquia, the name of the country .
Turkey , the bird is Peru, like Peru the latin american country in sout america
Why?
@@Killinemkid no idea, but it's true
In Turkey we call the animal Hindi. which is what we call India
by the way secular and banning religion is not the same thing
Silly question what’s ur accent
You didn’t get into it in your video but I would like to clarify Erdoğan’s absence from political scene until 2003; Together with AKP the only other party that had seats in parliament CHP changed the constitution that formed the basis of Erdoğan’s political ban that he recieved in 90’s, through mid term local election that happened in 2003 Erdoğan taken his place as representative and later on after Abdullah Gül’s resignation as Prime Minister.
there are lots of misinformations exist in this video. Timelines, causes-reactions, relations between party members and such is messed up. From a general perspective its not that bad and some of them are irrevelant but it damages videos creditibility and channels quality severely.
the first minute was a sign tbh. saying Arabic was the Ottoman Empire's official Language
And the whole "Islam and democracy cannot coexist" implication
I think you mixed up Karabakh and Nakhchivan
3:25 Mark of chaos
IS THIS A MOTHERFUCKING WARHAMMER REFERENCE
Edits, images, etc. very good but you need to do more research, you have 2 videos about Turkey and believe me they are both full of mistakes and a big BS.
Also why does Erdogan have a North Caucasus traditional hat on in the thumbnail?
You do realize that isn't a hat people in Turkey wear right?
are you israli that will explain many things gl dude
Interessante, ma dovete rivedere la pronuncia (maccheronica), no offense, Ave Legionari
what is that music? it's like horror music
Normally I love the italian accent but the pronunciation of the 'p' in coup is so wrong. Even in english its the french enunciation.
Is he Turkmen or Dagestani? Whats with the telpek?
I think it was from Erdoğan's visitation of Dagestan
hes ethnically Georgian
the conflict between islam and atheist views not islam and democracy. also mustafa kemal was atheist and instead of respecting nation islamic culture he proposed his anti islamic reforms and i wouldnt call it secularism because he had the choice persue the same secularist constitution as france or the uk and us, which doesnt intervene in peoples way of dressing or religious activities but his so called version of secularism where the opposite of that laws that prevents wering of hejab and preventing the call of prayer in its original language which is arabic. all of this led to a very negative and misunderstanding to the real meaning of term "secularism" in all of the muslim countries later.
Can't wait to see video about East Turkistan uyghurs
To what extent were these coups in Iran, Turkey & Pakistan based of legitimate contradictions & culture? To what extent were they US backed cynical involvement? When it comes to the role of islam they greatly affect these respective countries.
It can be seen in Turkey with Adnan Menderes to Erdogan. We see it also in Iran with the Persian constitutional revolution leading to the Iran revolution. It can be seen in Pakistan in the late 19th/early 20th century leading to Bhutto & the rise of fundamentalism.
Every time a third world country collapses they blame American involvement in their civil war. Is that to say without America's involvement these would be perfect countries? Give me an example please.
@@genderbender6958 What I am trying to articulate is the result that we see in thse countries down to mostly internal factors or has external involvement induced these outcomes. Zbigniew Brzezinski induced the soviet union to intervene in afghanistan, by providing weapons to the mujahadeen before the soviets got involved.
@@genderbender6958 u dont think THE most powerful country in the world doesnt get involved in geopolitical gains? is that what u are implying?
Lol just recently Imran Khan was sacked from Pakistan despite the whole country rallying behind him coz he stood up to the USA lol so....
@@theunbeatable6598 yup. Whoever stands Up against US will get sorted out. Anyone Still not seeing this in 2022 is either blind or purposely Accept this narrative
You are looking in a such orientalist vision i can say it from turkey. I am a person who supports other political parties than erdogan's but, erdogan has rights and he must do for the future of turkiye, most of the things he done today. Like purging terrorist gulenist organization backed by united states.
arabic was never an official language what are you talking about?? our mother tongue is turkish and no one knows arabic in Türkiye if they did not learn specifically, if they have not relative with arabs.
why everyone thinks we talk arabic because most of us are muslim? all christians knows latin language and is this their mother tongue? I really bored from this mistakes.. you made a video but starting with wrong, a very important wrong.
It's Arabic. Like how English is Latin. If you don't see it, study an outside opinion.
Because of course a nationalist is going to think they're unique and special.
You have my respect for having the longest running empire in history, but you've gotten a bunch wrong in that time.
@@hobinrood710 go study yourself sorry but you have so flawed logic.. Turks came from deep Asia, very close with China and Mongolia, after accept islam of course we got lot of words from them but pure Turkish has nothing same with Arabic, when an Arab is talking we dont understand anything what are you talking about? if Chinese language is Arabic you can say that and you are tragically funny.
@@hobinrood710 even if you search a bit you can find out that Turkish langue from ural-altai group. Arabic is a sami languge, sorry for you.
@@B13.B13 Then why, when I learned Arabic to impress my wife's family, did Turkish advertising make sense?
Why could I read it all of a sudden if there isn't some sort of base connection? I'm an outsider, you should hear me out. I'm from California. There's no Turks here. Bunch of Armenians though. I have no connection to the language or country or culture other than a layover in Istanbul.
Why did it make sense?
Why could I break it down into small parts, and read it and actually know what was on the street signs?
Cause the connection, waaaaaaaaaaaay the fuck back in the day, to the base words of the Arabic and Aramaic languages spoken in that area.
I'm going further in time than the ottomans or any recognition of Turkey.
It's the same connection between English and German. It's a Latin base. There's too many similarities between them, that they're practically the same when it comes to learning and comprehension from an outsider.
There's no politics involved in my opinion. I'm an anarchist in every way. So applying some sort of side, to me opinion, is pretty fucked up.
I apologize for the nationalism comment, but damn that mentality isn't the way. Nobody is that special that their language has spontaneously combusted into existence.
@@hobinrood710 shortly you are Armenian or Armenian sympatizer and doing that, now it makes sense 🤗 I am telling you that we came here( the Anatolia, between the place of Europe and the middle east) from far far away, Siberia, Ural, Altai Mountains our homeland. Search Göktürks because no offense but you just show your ignorancy with your every word.. If you think you hear Turkish and it sounds Arabic, probably Arabs or Kurds talking in their accent. Even they are really Arab or Kurd maybe. In Türkiye at least 30.000.000 Kurds are living and with refugees 10.000.000 Arabs living and they are going abroad with their Turkish citizen passports, because they are Turkish citizens but they are not originally Turks. What can I do? Me, language specialists and whole world know the truth, except you.
what a video! it was like a highlight of modern turkish state. we couldnt see objective videos (maybe rarely) on Turkish media cause it's manupulated by goverment. Military had very important value for keeping save secularizm. After 2018 when Turkey except presidental system, presidency of general staff losed power. No obstacle in front of securing division of powers. Proffesional job, thanks.
lmao military that brought secularism called THE kurds mountain turks. this military coup was orchastrated by THE cia. in 1980. btw u should look more into fethullah Gulen. dude is literally living in exile in Pennsylvania. another cia asset with His loverboy Enes "freedom" kanter
the cost for secularism was that the country was a piece of unstable shit with no one wanting to have anything to do with it.
Turkey 🇹🇷 also borders Azerbaijan’s 🇦🇿 exclave of Nakhchivan. 0:28
Lady having no chair was never the issue for not letting Turkey enter the EU and you should know it since you made extensive research on Turkey.
1971 was not a coup. Change my mind
What was it then?
@@geoffreycharles6330 threat of a coup
Gulenism dies hard.
Yes, now T or E have fallen out of grace bashing is welcomed.
Bro you had me until your cover of the coup.
So erdogan might be good or bad but he should've let Turkey run by a cia backed military yeah? Uhhhh no thanks, didn't work out well in Iran lol. I like your content but I recommend either educating yourself about the whole Turkey thing or refrain. Kinda seems like you got an effy for Turkey lol
Edit: How exactly is Turkey no longer secular? Coz they talked about Israel apartheid? I mean they still trade with them lol but just because Turkey accepts their religion doesn't mean secularism is done for lmao 🤦🏻♂️
I mean he is an average westerner. These guys were deepthroating Erdogan 10 years ago. Westerners have political dementia.
@@fusionreactor7179 Lol ikr? But I'm mad coz I like this dudes coverage. But his turkish videos are a bit sus.
I think turning of Hagia Sophia into a place of worship is pointing into that line
@@sirthomasfishnchips2477 Not really coz no revolt really occurred and it was pretty much a transition where majority of the Turks were ok except for the anti turkish folks around the globe lol
@@theunbeatable6598 nope it was not ok most of the people were thinking like "was it necessary while our economy is bad?"
8:50 / 19:17
10:36 despite all the errors in the video, I will only say a few things: EU always knew what things Islamism in a secular country would cause and they supported Erdoğan from the start for this very reason. No, Turkey would never be accepted into EU, opening negotiations has always been just a political play. Now, after decades of propaganda and support for Erdoğan and using AKP for their own gain (the refugees deal, for instance) they act as if they’ve never liked dictator erdoğan. In other words, the tone of EU’s approval of Turkey is more like “good dog” than an actual measurement of bad and good of the path Turkey was heading into.
“There are many disputes over who made the coup” there are no disputes, really, it’s just that foreigner analysts thinking they understand Turkey when they don’t and keep making the shittiest analyses imaginable or understanding things very well but diverting the point on purpose. For instance, 15:53 Kemalists cooperating with FETÖids? Kemalists were already gotten rid of by that point through the Ergenekon Trials, remember? Many of them died dishonorable cells in their cells, one took his own life because he couldn’t stand the accusations of being a traitor to his nation. FETÖ (CIA backed Islamist group who is now hiding in US) had been infiltrating the army since the 1980 coup, the infiltration accelerated immensely after the Ergenekon Trials removed the obstacle that was Kemalists. Prior to that, they always pretended to be Kemalists because at the time where Kemalists still had control of the army, there was no other way to infiltrate.
18:18 Turkish state isn’t nationalist. No nationalist state opens its borders to chaos and take in 14 millions of refugees. Secularism is also still within motion, European states use Christian values all the time in their politics, it’s not an abolition of secularism but just propaganda. Secularism is constitutional.
Should have closed the video when he said Arabic was the official language if I’m being honest.
Yeah, the errors you mention here frustrated me to no end. If a foreigner wants to talk about Turkey, they should educate themselves thoroughly, and not spout the neoliberal talking points pushed in the west. The Arabic language moment almost made me stop watching too.
Prnounce it correctly please: Turkeyieueieueieie. Missing some dots ontop but good enough
So underrated
The language was not arabic in the ottoman empire it was ottoman turkish
18:12 Why do you not consider Erdogan to be populist? i like him, but c’mon. Peak populist president.
6:44
little mistake
nationalist movement party(mhp) (or known as nationalist working(?) party at that time(mçp)) didnt participate in elections
it was the nationalist democracy party which was the militarist party:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist_Democracy_Party
tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliyet%C3%A7i_Demokrasi_Partisi
leaving both turkish and english pages
there are still some missing parts in the video but its great and i like the fact you can spell turkish words well
Milliyetci Halk Partisi literally translates to Nationalistic People's Party. Not nationalist working party
@@no-nx3ip there is nothing called "Milliyetçi Halk Partisi"
it is "Milliyetçi hareket partisi"(nationalist movement party) which was called "Milliyetçi Çalışma Partisi"(nationalist working party my translation, nationalist labour party google translation) at 1983
Wikipedia is not a fucking source.
I can change it. Right now. I've been trolling them for decades.
He looks like Dhruv Rathi
Who the fuck is that
@@nickarvas9566Indian feetlicker of the West
Can you tell me again how many percent the vote of our President has fallen?
Comment
My husband?
@@veryunusual126 you are a girl?
Your great mistake is to analyze the happenings isolated from nation to nation in globalized world.
türkçe alt yazı olsaydı daha iyi olurdu
Deymez bir sürü hata vardı bu videoda
Not worth it there are alot of mistakes in this video
It’s sad what happened to Turkey.
It's good what happened to turkey
@@omarmk.9627 mid
In terms of society, it is great what happend to this country.
Economical it is... questionable
they seem to not care, so why should we meddle in their affairs lol
It's a habit and a routine hate that remain of alll dirty works you was doing all those years
Wait him in Rome he will gonna take it
Erdogan , I command you to stop the Wars and start making love to Alpakas
Lol, official language was never Arabic :D
You somehow missed that modern turkey began with a genocide and all around ethnic cleansing, let alone a pogrom.
0:29 Nahcivan part of Azerbaijan not Armenia
Turkish President with Dagestani head wear 🤦🤦🤦
Your knowledge is exposed on poster no need to watch the video 😂😂😂
The great transformation in Turkey is disturbing you. You seem to be looking at it with hostility, but one of the reasons why Turkey has become this way today is the wrong policies of the west, and make your own analysis, whoever sows, reaps, you are not innocent.
And I thought people learnt from the Iranian Revolution
But some countries are making the same mistake again
Iran after revolution is better than before
Honestly Iran 👑👑 is doing quite well nationally 🏛.
Mostly because *literal* theocracies tend to be much more truly secular than figurative theocracies, because the actual problem with figurative theocracies is the warped incentives of an institution that does not face the consequences on its bad decisions.
They changed their name in December to Turkiye.
Turkey，yea！
@@MilanILoveU LOL
primo!!!
He seems to be a dictator who consolidated power and crushes opposition. Is this valid?
He is not a dictator per se but authoritarian, the thing is he can't crush his main opposition which is the turkish people and this was seen when a stronghold city of his party was taken over by the opposition so eventually he will be elected out of office the only issue is there isn't a person that has a large enough following and is also competent at their job
@@no-nx3ip Interesting, thank you. Are you from Turkey?
@@Loooam yes however i dont currently live there so circumstances might have changed
@@no-nx3ip >erdogan
>Competent
Yeah no
@@gangsteryengec873 Erdoğan isnt competent but i dont want mr swordson as president either
Azerbaijan
"Let's begin with Erdogan, that watermelon seller"
- That guy from Memri TV
Long live Erdoğan
based
You are talking about democracy about Turkey's modernisation in 1923, since then to Erdogan's leadership, and from a country full of Christian religious schools yet you think Erdogan taking back the country. That means all the European countries have been backward and anti-democratic all this time. You should follow Turkey's democracy from 1923 until Erdogan's time which some of them are close down all the religious schools, banning anything relating to religion except religious celebrations, ban any type of teaching religion in public or private schools....In democracies, people should be allowed freedom of religion as practicing it, which Erdogan brought to Turkey again. By the way, I don't have any religion but Agnostic. Forcing everyone to be like me is undemocratic.
This vid is not just about turkey, it really is a template for how middle east politics works, why there is terrorism, and what the middle east is struggling with..
Authoritarian military backed secularists..
Persistent political islamism..
And endless coup/ terrorism drama, over a culture that just can't figure itself out yet.
Don't forget the USA 🦅 subsidising the weak states, warping them into unnatural forms, for no good reason. That is a core issue.
Islam really does destroy everything it touches.
talk this to british
@@Iskatel.Priklyucheniy the British? The people responsible for almost everything good in the modern world?
Do you like your toilet mafarka? Running water and electricity? The rule of law?
Of course you do, so be a bit more grateful.
Algebra
@@falconmclenny7284 british didnt invent all this. the vast majority of inventions of the western world are german and if you count greman americans patents, it is 67%.
As a Gülenist i wish for no more Erd*gan
go to usa and stya there
@@soheil527 only if you will fund it westoid
He came in power by force he is a dictator and at the end ataturk was Albanian by blood
Albânia blood is very good.
Albânia people very badass Brave beautiful .
He was a turkmen kid. He was only born in thessaloniki when it was ottoman land (before the population axhange between turks and greeks). You people like to think every warrior on this world was albanian. You do it to greek historical personas too.
@@rvrv7021 Yes albanians are beautiful but how the fuck is albanian blood very good, badass and brave? I didn't know even blood is being metaphorized. That's some dramatic shit. What is the difference between your blood and a japanese samurai's or a turkic alp's? Are they genetically less brave?
@@Seyma0816 lol 😂 I know the truth hurts but it’s ok my friend when you start realizing that your living inside of a lie things will normalize for you and you’ll feel better it’s ok to have Albanians fighting for you we have to many legends not just to Turks and Greeks but Serbs Italians Macedonia Montenegro Bosnia Croatia and more and more we were giving by Zeus to help everyone that’s why we are called skipetarians which means golden eagle like almighty Zeus I remember a historian from turkey once said albanian woman gives birth to legends which is true we modernize turkey we modernize Egypt we created rome we created Morea we created emathia we created dardania we created troje and more
@@Seyma0816 starting from Athen or A thën means it’s been said or they said it first for some reason the name Athens it’s in Albanian language and you can only translate in Albanian language the meanin of Moreas today capital city or let’s talk about Shpatan people that traveled from dardania to Morea to help protect the border of Iliria from the Persians which today some of them controll Moreas parliament.. now if you wanna talk history I can go even deeper with facts but again let’s talk about ataturk the Albanian man his father was Albanian and his mother was Albanian he came from Albanian land called selaniku
Osmanli Devleti 2.0 InshaAllah, to the Red Apple ☝️☪️🤘🐺🇹🇷
halk ekmek istiyor osmanlı devleti değil
Lol ottoman empire lost like every war
@@straw_hat1579 So I guess that's how it got to the gates of Vienna mostly fighting coalitions. Pathetic.
Hello from Venice, your secular enemy🤚🤝
@@straw_hat1579 Not every war
ataturk was no better then Erdogan its just to polar opiates either extremely secular or extremely islamist can we not just have a center
Center wouldn't function only secularism and progress will keep Turkey alive
how come the european rights dont let you insult homosexuals but let you insult muslim president