Lets be honest here. Hot In The Shade was a song of 15 tunes, They could of cut at least 7 of those songs and used Eric Carr's songs. Eyes Of Love, Somebody's Waiting, and Can You Feel It. Those songs are better than most of the tunes on Hot In The Shade.
This was the time when KISS hired Larry Mazer as manager. He said in interviews he didn't want Eric's drum solos. Most likely he didn't favorize Eric's songs either.
IMHO, Eric Carr had every right to feel any way he wanted to. If he felt that his song was ruined, he had every right to feel that way. However, IMHO, I felt that Gene and Paul enhanced the song. They actually made it a better song by easing off the Led Zeppelin influence and make it sound more like KISS. Although both Gene and Paul humbly admitted many times that they were influenced by other rock songs for their songs, they simply wanted to try and make this song sound as original, fresh and new as possible. IMHO, it was a great thing that Gene and Paul did and it fit the Lick It Up album appropriately. This only shows how multi-talented Eric Carr really was. He was much more talented than Peter Criss was. He was THE best drummer KISS ever had. KISS became a heavier band thanks to Eric Carr. He also co-wrote "Under the Rose",and, Escape From the Island", both of which appeared on their 1981 concept album "(Music From) The Elder". He did contribute a lot more to KISS than Peter Criss ever did. All of the albums that Eric played on shows this in more ways than one. May Eric Carr foever rest in peace. He is still sadly missed.
To be fair, Eric isn't around to give his side. I bet he wouldn't be smiling at the thought. As Paul says this, it would be interesting to of maybe put that demo on the box set so the fans could compare the tracks. Ir is Paul smiling because he cut into Eric's song writing royalties. I sometimes really take what Paul says now with a grain of salt.
@@HappyMachorino-bd8no Because Paul said he did it. Did you not watch the video or read his book of fiction? Stay with the rest of us with this video. As for Vinnie. Who gives a rats butt what he did. I could care less about Vinnie
@@karlshuler1011 Of course, Paul said he did it. He made the decision. Still you don't know how much song-writing Vinnie did. In his Expo interview Vinnie began his sentences always: "I wrote the song..." Then he added: "With Paul". Or: "With Gene". "All Hell's Breakin' Loose" is such a fantastic song. I'm sure, Vinnie has a lot to do with it.
Music from the elder was the first album that Eric Carr appeared on. He was The best drummer KISS ever had as well as one of the best of all time! Actually it is true about his guilt over Beth. Peter gave him his blessing over the phone.
Eric Carr deserved so much more! Than he got out of that band its totaly off the wall! That ego and dollar signs and fights between band members still rule after all these years while at the same time its proven over and over again that these behaviors are the main reason bands break up! Im all for getting recognition of beeing a good selling band song and performance wise! But what honest deecent person wants to see, hear bands beeing liars and dysfunctional!? Or does that come with the territory? I hope not
Paul & Gene would always interfere with anything Eric wrote to get a co-write credit because they are so greedy for royalties. Paul ruined this song with the corny rap for sure, but it's still a great riff from Eric & features possibly my favourite Vinnie Vincent guitar solo with Kiss. I thought the video clip was more fun than 'Lick It Up' too, even if they cut out Vinnie during the solo section.
What they did with Eric's song (Paul, Gene and Vinnie) is great team-work. For the band. This talking-singing is a "new sensation". KISS really rocked the nation💥 And Eric (RIP) was one of them. We don't know what caused his depression (maybe the beginning tumor?), but he could be proud. His "Under The Rose"🌹(with Gene) on The ELDER is one of the greatest KISS songs ever.
What caused his depression you ask? Well analyze the pattern here. Eric Carr was the 3rd band member in a row that was unhappy in KISS apparently as he was treated as an employee not a member and anything he wrote for the band was sabotaged and taken over by Paul or Gene so they would get song writing credits and the royalties in sales and broadcasting that went along with that! Peter, Ace and Eric C. Oh also Vinnie Vincent, Mark St.John...which makes 5 band members that didn't get along well in KISS and got screwed over! That only leaves 2 original members that have always been there. See the consistent pattern? It's not rocket science!
@@HappyMachorino-bd8no Don't get me wrong I'm not making fun of depression...it is a very real thing! But it is often a spiritual matter. Demonic in many cases. It is also caused by other external or outside forces like people that use, abuse in any way or put one down! Sometimes, it occurs when someone cannot accept bad things that they've done or have seen and told to keep quiet. Which of course goes back back to spiritual troubles from within...or without!
@@Dale-wb9lz My English is not good. But I'm going to try to explain my thought. Experts of neurology assume the source of our resiliance in the brain. Some new born babies (healthy) are born as "cry babies". Others can cope with frustration. The "Cry babies" are even years later more frustrated about little stuff. My employer offered resiliance-schoolings at work. Therapists teach the employees: There are problems always and everywhere at work. But how can you deal with it? That's why Paul was right to ask for therapeutical support. Probably Eric would have been unhappy in another band too.
@@CatStanleySpaceDemon exactly , creatures did not tank had a couple airplay songs the Elder was the album which tanked, but give it a try a few good songs just bad choices and final mixing
mimmickry of something else hey paul well look at Read my body lol thats total mimmickry of that tacky pour some sugar on me song and the WORST song KISS EVER did lol
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. You're massacring this story yourself. You talk as if you never listen to all hell is breaking loose.
1st off, Eric Carr joined KISS, not the other way around. He was basically a hired gun, To be "miserable" as a hired gun in the biggest band in the world shows how small minded Eric was. Dude, do the gig, build your name, leave and do a solo album with whatever you want. So small minded.
@@venomagent76 No one denied Eric's talent. But when you think he was more talented than Paul and Gene, then you agree with @sergiomichelmusic: Eric could have consequently said "Goodbye. I'm going to do my own thing". I don't think, that his frustration makes him a "better" person. Paul mentioned a few times: "Mysery needs company". Not good for the band! Not good for Paul, who had depressions too. But at least he tried to get therapeutical help.
How do you figure kiss' new drummer to be a hired gun?? He's not Vinnie Vincent. He's not Mark st John. He was in the band longer than Peter was. When you're in a band and your creativity is suppressed and you're not valued and not allowed to fully shine its a big fucking disappointment. I mean just listen to the shit Paul talks about Peter wanting more input. Paul was scared of more piranhas in the tank. It was his ball and his court. I tell you this, that attitude is what held kiss down creatively. Never realizing that we is better than just I. Kiss treated songwriting like a competition you don't get Led Zeppelin that way
@@ForkFace2112 Eric was not allowed to "fully shine"?. What's the difference between his working place and my? It's always the boss and the team-leader who decide when they need someone to "shine" or not. And the drummer can not shine more than the lead-guitarist. It's Paul's and Gene's band and they decide about the character and the balance in the band. And Eric was free to shine with his own band.
They done Eric Carr shitty
Why didn't he leave then?
Lets be honest here. Hot In The Shade was a song of 15 tunes, They could of cut at least 7 of those songs and used Eric Carr's songs. Eyes Of Love, Somebody's Waiting, and Can You Feel It. Those songs are better than most of the tunes on Hot In The Shade.
Horrible.
This was the time when KISS hired Larry Mazer as manager. He said in interviews he didn't want Eric's drum solos. Most likely he didn't favorize Eric's songs either.
They started out wanting to be The Beatles but eventually Paul and Gene turned it into John and Yoko.
Loved Eric Carr. RIP.
IMHO, Eric Carr had every right to feel any way he wanted to. If he felt that his song was ruined, he had every right to feel that way. However, IMHO, I felt that Gene and Paul enhanced the song. They actually made it a better song by easing off the Led Zeppelin influence and make it sound more like KISS. Although both Gene and Paul humbly admitted many times that they were influenced by other rock songs for their songs, they simply wanted to try and make this song sound as original, fresh and new as possible. IMHO, it was a great thing that Gene and Paul did and it fit the Lick It Up album appropriately.
This only shows how multi-talented Eric Carr really was. He was much more talented than Peter Criss was. He was THE best drummer KISS ever had. KISS became a heavier band thanks to Eric Carr. He also co-wrote "Under the Rose",and, Escape From the Island", both of which appeared on their 1981 concept album "(Music From) The Elder". He did contribute a lot more to KISS than Peter Criss ever did. All of the albums that Eric played on shows this in more ways than one.
May Eric Carr foever rest in peace. He is still sadly missed.
The rap is still so cringe to this day
On music from the Elder, I think Eric should have sang that song (Under the Rose). His voice would have fit that song so much better than Gene's.
All Hells breaking loose was ahead of it's time. The first rap rock rap metal song??
Not quite. Cold Crush Brothers was first
"would have turned into a mimicry of something else"
Read My Body has entered the chat...
I would love to hear the original by Eric Carr
Eric wasn't handled properly,he could sing well,as well as drumming that was stellar.i believe to say that's trials and tribulations of a fast life
To be fair, Eric isn't around to give his side. I bet he wouldn't be smiling at the thought. As Paul says this, it would be interesting to of maybe put that demo on the box set so the fans could compare the tracks. Ir is Paul smiling because he cut into Eric's song writing royalties. I sometimes really take what Paul says now with a grain of salt.
How do you know that it wasn't Vinnie's idea to improve the song?
Vinnie is co-songwriter.
He for sure (with Paul) improved Eric's song.
@@HappyMachorino-bd8no Because Paul said he did it. Did you not watch the video or read his book of fiction? Stay with the rest of us with this video. As for Vinnie. Who gives a rats butt what he did. I could care less about Vinnie
@@karlshuler1011
Of course, Paul said he did it. He made the decision.
Still you don't know how much song-writing Vinnie did. In his Expo interview Vinnie began his sentences always:
"I wrote the song..." Then he added: "With Paul". Or: "With Gene". "All Hell's Breakin' Loose" is such a fantastic song. I'm sure, Vinnie has a lot to do with it.
@HappyMachorino-bd8no At least in Vinnie's head, he does.
Eric rules! PERIOD!!! If you think otherwise, you dont know the history!
Music from the elder was the first album that Eric Carr appeared on. He was The best drummer KISS ever had as well as one of the best of all time! Actually it is true about his guilt over Beth. Peter gave him his blessing over the phone.
If there music was more like zeppelin maybe it would be bearable.
Lick it up album is not better than Creatures of the night.
Eric Carr deserved so much more! Than he got out of that band its totaly off the wall! That ego and dollar signs and fights between band members still rule after all these years while at the same time its proven over and over again that these behaviors are the main reason bands break up! Im all for getting recognition of beeing a good selling band song and performance wise! But what honest deecent person wants to see, hear bands beeing liars and dysfunctional!? Or does that come with the territory? I hope not
Creatures is one of my favorite Kiss albums. I Love it Loud, War Machine and I Still Love You are Kiss classics.
But this was on 'Lick It Up', the follow-up record
no need to yell tho.
Paul & Gene would always interfere with anything Eric wrote to get a co-write credit because they are so greedy for royalties. Paul ruined this song with the corny rap for sure, but it's still a great riff from Eric & features possibly my favourite Vinnie Vincent guitar solo with Kiss. I thought the video clip was more fun than 'Lick It Up' too, even if they cut out Vinnie during the solo section.
After Unmasked came The Elder, not Creatures...
@@MosheAlvarez Yeah, I skipped over it. My bad!
Fanon discontinuity.
What they did with Eric's song (Paul, Gene and Vinnie) is great team-work.
For the band. This talking-singing is a "new sensation". KISS really rocked the nation💥 And Eric (RIP) was one of them. We don't know what caused his depression
(maybe the beginning tumor?), but he could be proud. His "Under The Rose"🌹(with Gene) on The ELDER is one of the greatest KISS songs ever.
What caused his depression you ask? Well analyze the pattern here. Eric Carr was the 3rd band member in a row that was unhappy in KISS apparently as he was treated as an employee not a member and anything he wrote for the band was sabotaged and taken over by Paul or Gene so they would get song writing credits and the royalties in sales and broadcasting that went along with that! Peter, Ace and Eric C. Oh also Vinnie Vincent, Mark St.John...which makes 5 band members that didn't get along well in KISS and got screwed over! That only leaves 2 original members that have always been there. See the consistent pattern? It's not rocket science!
@Dale-wb9lz
But depression is often natural born. Paul went to a therapist. Eric could have done the same too.
@@HappyMachorino-bd8no Gee, I've never heard of a newborn being depressed? Lol
@@HappyMachorino-bd8no Don't get me wrong I'm not making fun of depression...it is a very real thing! But it is often a spiritual matter. Demonic in many cases. It is also caused by other external or outside forces like people that use, abuse in any way or put one down! Sometimes, it occurs when someone cannot accept bad things that they've done or have seen and told to keep quiet. Which of course goes back back to spiritual troubles from within...or without!
@@Dale-wb9lz
My English is not good. But I'm going to try to explain my thought.
Experts of neurology assume the source of our resiliance in the brain.
Some new born babies (healthy) are born as "cry babies". Others can cope with frustration. The "Cry babies" are even years later more frustrated about little stuff.
My employer offered resiliance-schoolings at work. Therapists teach the employees: There are problems always and everywhere at work.
But how can you deal with it? That's why Paul was right to ask for therapeutical support.
Probably Eric would have been unhappy in another band too.
Elder came after Unmasked.
@@berserker7140 You're right. I totally forgot about it.
@@CatStanleySpaceDemon exactly , creatures did not tank had a couple airplay songs the Elder was the album which tanked, but give it a try a few good songs just bad choices and final mixing
They were producing the albums (some) and so putting to much input to thumb to see past their own precautions
I love creatures of the night album
mimmickry of something else hey paul well look at Read my body lol thats total mimmickry of that tacky pour some sugar on me song and the WORST song KISS EVER did lol
Was there a Eric Carr Demo original version before Paul f'd it up?
young and wasted is the best song they ever made
This song sucks
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. You're massacring this story yourself. You talk as if you never listen to all hell is breaking loose.
1st off, Eric Carr joined KISS, not the other way around. He was basically a hired gun, To be "miserable" as a hired gun in the biggest band in the world shows how small minded Eric was. Dude, do the gig, build your name, leave and do a solo album with whatever you want. So small minded.
Eric Carr was more talented and a better person than both Paul and Gene!
@@venomagent76
No one denied Eric's talent.
But when you think he was more talented than Paul and Gene, then you agree with @sergiomichelmusic:
Eric could have consequently said "Goodbye. I'm going to do my own thing".
I don't think, that his frustration makes him a "better" person. Paul mentioned a few times: "Mysery needs company".
Not good for the band!
Not good for Paul, who had depressions too.
But at least he tried to get therapeutical help.
How do you figure kiss' new drummer to be a hired gun?? He's not Vinnie Vincent. He's not Mark st John. He was in the band longer than Peter was. When you're in a band and your creativity is suppressed and you're not valued and not allowed to fully shine its a big fucking disappointment. I mean just listen to the shit Paul talks about Peter wanting more input. Paul was scared of more piranhas in the tank. It was his ball and his court. I tell you this, that attitude is what held kiss down creatively. Never realizing that we is better than just I. Kiss treated songwriting like a competition you don't get Led Zeppelin that way
@@ForkFace2112
Eric was not allowed to
"fully shine"?. What's the difference between his working place and my?
It's always the boss and the team-leader who decide when they need someone to "shine" or not. And the drummer can not shine more than the lead-guitarist.
It's Paul's and Gene's band and they decide about the character and the balance in the band.
And Eric was free to shine with his own band.
@ForkFace2112 you have no idea what you are talijng about. Everyone but Gene and Paul are hired guns in KISS since Ace and Peter first left.
The song sucks
And then Turkey Tonsils went on to "write" Radar for love.
Turkey tonsils ? I'm stealing that one.