alternative response to that: YES DO THINK OF THE CHILDREN, let them grow up seeing themselves represented in media, trans kids do exist, just like gay kids exist
Also we must shield them from the influences of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Surely this is the most heinous of influences on their poor impressionable minds.
The thing I hate about the “Trans people in prison” segment, these people didn’t care about prison rape UNTIL they could use it to further their agenda.
And that's the case with every one of their argument, too. They don't give a single shit about women's sports either, yet here they are, pretending that trans women are destroying women's competitions.
@@honkstheclown8631 After doing my own "research" my conclusion is quite close to what ContraPoints is stating currently about gender identity, gender. Though I would question what her Gender Feeling is about? I think the whole gender/gender identity theory as it is presented by "Your side" is absurd. Some preaching words: According to my observations I become easily frustrated and aggressive. But I don't like that trait about me. Feelings about my traits constitute what my identity is? Or maybe I just feel bad about the part of my identity, which is being easily frustrated and becoming aggressive? Or maybe both things - actual description of me and my feelings about it - constite my identity? So if I observe that I have a penis, my body is very muscular, I have tendency to become aggressive quite easily, I have a beard, I have a low voice, but I don't like those traits about me and I wish I had a female body parts and personality traits stereotypically called feminine? What is my identity then? Feelings over observations of my actual behaviour, my reactions? Let's say I don't like my skin tone and I wish I was born with a darker skin tone. Let's say I don't like my culture but I wish I was a part of a given distant culture. Do those things make me i.e. transracial? Or maybe one should think is there a good reason for having such feelings. Maybe there is nothing essential behind those feelings? Maybe brains don't inherit and don't create under an influence of hormones any circuits that are responsible tor feeling bad about own body observable sex traits or own skin tone?
See also people who want to ENCOURAGE prison rape to deter potential criminals, and people who use prison rape as justification for letting rapists off on minor sentences.
The bathroom thing is super weird to me, because JKR herself wrote an entire subplot about a bunch of cis-boys hanging around in a girl's bathroom with zero consequences
It's weird to me because I am not that fussed about the whole bathroom thing anyway. Personally I think our bathroom designs are completely outdated, and that there should be one bathroom for all genders, with one extra room at one side for the urinals and one extra room at the other side for changing diapers. That would solve a lot of problems at once. For one, women with male children would no longer have to make the difficult decision which bathroom they should used, two fathers could change their babies without having to worry if there is an extra-space for this, three it would most likely improve the flow of people going to the bathroom. And if someone peeks over the stalls, that person is a pervert, no matter what gender. I mean, who tells me that no other women is peeking at me in my supposedly save space?
Complete with a major element of Moaning Myrtle loving to spy on boys in the bathroom, thus being an exact inversion of the thing Rowling is so scared of.
@@swanpride the stalls should have floor to ceiling doors. There’s no reason for the gap, just put an ‘engaged’ thing on the outside of the lock. Two of my recent workplaces had gender neutral bathrooms and it wasn’t weird, but it was more convenient/faster (also cleaner). Also stalls should have their own sinks, and all should be sized for wheelchairs. Inclusiveness for all!
The reason it doesn't matter that the villian isn't a trans woman but a cis man who dresses as a woman for nefarious purposes, is because transphobic people believe the former *are* the latter.
@@AlexReynard It would be if it weren't for the fact that MOST depictions in media until fairly recently were all putting out a message that a certain kind of people can only be a certain kind of thing. The individual stories don't exist in a vacuum; they reinforce each other.
@@AlexReynard Elevating good art has nothing to do with an artist conflating trans people with the existing cultural notion that "men will put on a wig and stay they're a woman to do sex crimes"
@@AlexReynard Do you mean you haven't seen anything to convince you JK Rowling *isn't* a transphobe? Because you then went on to describe transphobia pretty solidly.
@@AlexReynard That's essentially the problem Johanne is a transphobe by ignorance, not malice, but the results of that are effectively the same. She doesn't understand that trans women aren't predatory guys in drag and she doesn't understand that trans men aren't victimized women. So when she writes a predatory man in drag into her story it is painfully obvious that that is a depiction of a trans person because that's what she thinks trans women are.
So I watched "Some Like it Hot" based largely on the positive recommendation here and wow, that movie is so gay. Like, gay in a way I never could have expected given the time period. And sure, I don't want to read too much into it, I know the gay elements are likely in there as gags and not meant to be taken seriously. But on the other hand, a man pretending to be a woman falls in love with a man overtly, like, under no uncertain terms, he is completely in love. Then when the other man realizes that the man in drag is actually a man, is left 100% unfazed by this and still wants to be with him. Hella gay in 1959.
That reminds me of my recollection of Ace Ventura. Because I watched it first when I was really young, I understood the plot as Finkle "being a man" to mean that he was disguised and was seeking a position of power in the police to get revenge, because I didn't even know what Trans people were. Then when I discovered trans people existed...I still never made the connection that Finkle was supposed to be a reference to Trans people. The plot still in my head was still basically a bad guy "going under cover" and taking advantage of the bullshit lack of accountability and huge amount of power police have over our society to use his new disguise and position for revenge.
"Trans-panic puke walked so attack helicopter could fly." Like you've had quite a few great one-liners in this video already, but holy fuck that killed me.
How does it feel to be overshadowed by Jenny Nicholson again? Kidding, your bit in this video was great too. Just not as iconic as Jenny’s fake British accent.
The only thing I remember from reading the Harry Potter books was the time she tried to show off using the word "gerrymander" in a way that didn't really make sense
@@skylarjohnson7779 exactly, if a CHILD’S (well young teen but still) greatest fear is one of their fucking teachers the teacher is EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC.
@Gabe Davis and how does joanne decide to make Snape Boggart funny (~because you defeat a boggart by laughing at it~) if not with the *timeless* "haha it's funny cause it's a man in a dress" gag
Trust me, if Chris Columbus's first choice for the role, Tim Roth, hadn't turned it down in favor of the villain in 2000's Planet of the Apes, we would not be having this morality quandary 15 years later.
1:55 I still cannot believe this argument still exists. From the moment it first cropped up I realized "hey, guys, you do realize gay people exist, right? You've been in restrooms with people attracted to your sex your whole lives and it hasn't been an issue."
It's been less than two decades since it was mainstream to fearmonger the same thing about gay people, yeah. They were saying it about them since the fifties but people want to pretend that transphobia is both unique and okay.
Whenever someone invokes “Think of the Children” they of course never mean the LGBTQA+ children who benefit from seeing themselves represented positively in the media.
I don't know if anyone that uses "think of the children" actually thinks of the children, I've only ever seen it used to try and justify why the things they don't approve of not be allowed .
Once upon a time, I knew a group of four, very large (shortest was 6'4") black transsexuals. They were called the Gay Mafia (ostensibly it would have been offensive, but they liked the nickname and kept it). They were good Catholic girls (MTF trans, in case this is unclear, I am using the correct pronouns and all). They were poor, they relied on prostitution to get by. They often had social diseases as a result. But they still went to Church, and they were still good and kind people. Those girls saved my mother's life once, at the Catholic Outreach, where they would go to get clothes and Church assistance (you had to have a referral from a social worker to get most things, but you could get clothes and some cheap food free, bread and fruits and whatnot). My mother, God rest her soul, was one of the only people who treated them like.. Y'know, people. She'd help them pick out dresses. She'd help them find matching shoes, in their sizes. She'd help them find nice hats. And sturdy purses. She was almost as much their mother as she was mine, because she didn't judge them (she did occasionally refer to them as 'wayward children of God' but that was because she disapproved of the prostitution, a proper New England middle class almost-blueblood like her saw it as terribly un-ladylike) she just helped them as was both Right and Godly. A gang banger came to the Outreach one day, mom had turned away his "bitch" because she did not have a referral to get all she wanted. He put a gun in my mother's face. Then the girls showed up, and I don't care how tough you think a gun makes you, when you're 5'6" surrounded by several well built people almost a foot taller than you, you get nervous. They disarmed the damned fool, cleared his gun and threw it away, then picked him up, carried him to the Rite Aid down the block, took off their pumps, and began doing their Sunday Church dance routines all over his skeleton. Poor bastard got literally stomped for almost twenty minutes before the cops finally broke it up. They were not jailed or prosecuted for doing this, since it's hard to argue that "four large black 'men' protecting a gaggle of mostly elderly white women from some shithead with a loaded gun" is a "bad" thing. They were good people. They should have gotten a commendation and a news article. But since this was Georgia, and the deep south no less, that didn't happen. It still angers me if I think about it. They were good people, and should have been given much deserved publicity for it.
@@tortis6342 Funniest part was how the cops just kinda.. Stood there and watched for, perhaps, a bit longer than they should have. "We should do something about this." "Yes, yes we should. Let me figure out what, first."
My sister pointed out that if a man wants to assault a woman in a bathroom, he doesn't need to pretend to be trans; he'll just walk in regardless. It's not like rapists can use the defence "it's not assault if I identify as a woman".
Something that has always bothered me about the bathroom argument is that we don't live in a world where there's some security guard checking IDs or certificates before you enter a bathroom. If a man wanted to enter a bathroom to do crimes against women, he could easily do so without even having to dress even remotely femininely.
Yup and they do, women get assaulted in women's bathrooms by men all the time. The bathroom argument is bogus. The people who make it are just trying to rationalize their own discomfort at being around trans people.
I swear conservatives are getting desperate. In Florida the conservatives passed a bill that would require a genital inspection for high school and college athletes. It's just another disgusting display of transphobia and policing people's bodies.
it's not about the rational possibility of something like this happening itself , and it's not even about trans people . i think it's about actual straight men abusing the bathroom law to do their ugly deed. sorry but i understand the fear . i just find it sad that trans people have to suffer the backlash of it that's all . but i don't feel like downplaying the concerns of others ( everyone deserves to be heard ), who am I to judge that said concern is legitimate or not ? but that's just me
@@liliks14 i understand the concern of being assaulted in a public space like that as well, but i think its absurd to think that a man would go so far as to dress trans to gain access to said space. Like i said, there are no guards deciding who can go into the bathroom or not. If a man wanted to assault a woman they could just walk right in. Theres no need for them to fake being trans to do it. That rhetoric is absurd and just an excuse to make sure trans people arent accepted into their true identity.
@@liliks14 Litterally no one is denying the fear of being assualted in a bathroom is legitmate? like I said it happens all the time but bathroom bills against trans people will do absolutely nothing to stop it.
The weirdest part of transphobia to me is the obsession with wigs, like, do terfs not realize we just grow our own hair out? Some of us have good hairlines
As a cis man with “quarantine hair” that I haven’t cut yet I don’t get it either, I mean they’re all about Jesus and he’s usually depicted with glorious hair, no?
And that lots of cis women don’t have all natural hair? Wigs, weaves, extensions, plenty of cis women have been supplementing their natural hair for decades to get the looks they want or feel are expected of them. It’s such a weird thing to fixate on
(i am cis) but it may just be an example of people thinking transness is just a costume?? Like that transwomen are making a choice to put on a wig to appear feminine, but have short masculine hair underneath. as if its a halloween costume for convenience.
@@burnbunnie That's exactly it. The characters can take it on and off for convenience. It's a character, not something they live. It's how TERFs see trans folk.
@@irrelevantweirdo6347 I'm not trans, but I wonder what a trans perspective of the idea of someone 'wrongfully thinking that they are trans' would be. To me it seems dismissive and transphobic, cause I have a hard time seeing how someone could be said to be wrong about their own gender identity. Not to say that people's gender identity can't evolve or that people themselves can't feel confused about their gender identity. But for others to say that someone else just 'thinks' that they are trans, seems like a damaging idea
@@SparklyDream Hello! Trans person speaking, and I can offer a brief opinion (which obviously is just mine, and not indicative of the community) of how I see this. In my opinion, the idea of "thinking you're trans but not being trans" is indeed a transphobic idea- except in the case where that person's perception of reality is already so skewed that their opinions on other things (like their own sanity) can't be trusted. In regards to Buffalo Bill, if he were portrayed as a remotely stable individual, it would seem as if Lecter and everyone else were just being asshats, but since we see how unhinged he is, we trust that he can't be relied upon to portray his mental state. Basically, this very specific instance is okay-ish, but it's not good to set as a standard. It's a bit like that question that gets thrown around, "Would it be ethical to have sex with a minor if their mind were that of someone X years older." Can you answer is in regards to the hypothetical? Certainly. Is it a question that really has any bearing on reality? Not really, no, and it probably indicates something less than good about the person who feels the need to ask it. In other words, it's probably accurate to say that Buffalo Bill isn't trans- but the real world doesn't exactly have many Buffalo Bills.
joanne rowling: predatory men *will* dress fem to enter the womens' bathroom! also joanne rowling: okay so harry and ron hang out in the girls' bathroom almost every day for like two months-
Also OK for Hermione disguise herself by switching genders and literally tricking people into believing shes a man (Happens at the begining of the 7th book)
Yes because lets just pretend the setup that the bathroom is not used by anyone in years/ and hermione is the one who suggests it in the first place just doesnt happen
I know this will likely just get lost (like a turd... in the wind...) and that there are assistants reading this message, but I wanted to express my appreciation for all of the good that Lindsay Ellis has put into the world. It is easy to criticize and name-call. It is difficult to research and present an intelligent opinion.
I didn't expect to see you in a random comment but since I did, I'll just say your channel is a breath of fresh air! It's way more fun to like things instead of look for things to dislike, and the world could use more positivity and optimism. Your videos are like comfort-food. So thank you, and keep doing what you're doing (for as long as you want to, of course)!
The bathroom part of Joanne's essay was essentially "I need therapy due to my internalization of my traumatic abuse, but instead of bothering with that self-reflection sh*t let's blame trans people for my feelings and call them predators." People just wanna p*ss, Joanne.
And with all this fearmongering about men dressing up as women to prey upon women in the bathroom, couldn't they just do that now? I've never understood the logic behind that. "A man was gonna sexually assault a woman in the women's bathroom, but it wasn't legal for him to enter the restroom as a man. Now that there's a loophole he can exploit, he can do the illegal thing by legally getting his literal foot in the door." ??? We have a park in my city with a sign that says it's illegal to sell or use drugs in the park. The people doing so late at night aren't really the types to be deterred by a sign.
@@TheYakusoku @ContraPoints partly answers this in her most recent video where she quotes one of Rowling's TERF squad as saying that cis women need to be constantly on guard against men but can let that guard down around other cis women. It's such a bizarre essentialist argument in its willful ignorance of women's abuse of other women that I never would have worked it out on my own. (Next time I rewatch the vid, I'll come back with a citation.)
@@TheYakusoku UA-cam deleted my reply even though there was literally nothing wrong with it, so I will state it in a less auto-censor-bot way. 1. I agree with what you said. 2. Transphobia of today is exactly the same sort of language used to justify homophobia of the past. 3. We're all just trying to exist and we need to treat each other better for our differences.
@@begemotowa It's not even like there aren't stalls in the urinal bathrooms. Just have one bathroom with both, or just one with stalls, because urinals are kind of weird and awkward anyway, aren't they? There's a whole etiquette for how close you can stand to somebody because your bits are just out in front of each other, and it's never any less unpleasant even if you do follow the rules.
"What the fuck-. When you asked me to read these...I didn't think they would be this bad." killed me. I feel the horrified/exasperated disbelief in my soul.
Holy shit, I blocked that ace ventura scene out of my mind years ago. Seeing it again was actually really hard. I hate that I was exposed to this level of transphobia at a young age. It absolutely had an effect on how long I hid in the closet.
I'm realizing how much I've blocked out too. Giving people a pass for behaving in ways that we can't agree with... it's just a movie... it's just a joke... it's just a racist relative... Ignore Them! Right?? Keep peace, don't rock the boat, dont respond you aren't the idiot whisperer, block, unlike, click, cancel. Conversation over. It's actually sad what most discourse has become, and still is a problematic part of what keeps the hierarchical power structures in place. We do. With our language, actions, statements, choices. I'm practicing something new! Evertime I feel or act defensive about something, I'm pausing to take a moment to look at what I'm defending, what specific belief is being challenged. It has so far been illuminating!
oof same! I vaguely remember watching the movie, and my total non-memory of her being trans indicates how painfully naturalized that view was presented to me
One trans character portrayal that really surprised me was in Twin Peaks when Cooper realized that his buddy from the FBI had transitioned and is surprised at first but then immediately smiles and corrects himself and calls her by her new name and pronouns. Just a really sweet moment that caught me off guard in an episode from 1991.
I say similar things when reading comics written by Christ Claremont though with him I think it’s because he probably is excited in the misguided belief that he’s genuinely getting the dialects right.
Memories of reading "Career of Evil" , in which Cormaran Strike visited my working class hometown and Rowling did the phonetic accent thing plus really outdated dialect words, some of them from the wrong region.... 🙃
it shocks me how Rowling goes on tirades about how “our daughters are being tricked into being trans!!!!!” and not once do we see a trans man in any of these transphobic pieces of media. it’s almost as though we’re completely invisible
Yah, the media just acts like trans men don't exist, expect the occasional, we are losing are fellow women/lesbian's to the trans. Cuz it's not like ppl can't take time to figure themselves out, or reach a stage whew they feel ready to transition. I was 25 when I finally confronted my repressed feelings and finally understood them again, for the first time since I was 5 secretly putting on my aunt's old clothes wanting to be a girl.
@@craigpoer lol the office room my project is in has 4 trans ppl out of 70. And 3 non-binary that I know of. Others will I can't know all 70 individuals that well. Oh and hello I'm a Transwoman lesbian. I do in fact exist and we aren't that hard to find. My list job has 8 ppl on my shit me Transwoman and a non binary individual as well.
And we're always like. Assumed to be tomboy lesbians who just...got tricked somehow. Who's gonna tell them I like boys and love fem clothes, they just make me feel dysphoric? Or about my knitting and embroidery? It's almost like there's not a connection between these at all! /extreme sarcasm
@@craigpoer Intersex people are more common than red hair. So. Yknow. Gender representation different from assigned sex (like left handedness used to be) is on the rise as it's less repressed and hated.
I mean, when did she say it was a social construct? Last time I hear she was reducing women to their reproductive organs and throwing a literary fit over anyone who wasn't being a woman in the "right" way.
@@teaartist6455 -I don’t know if she did, but TERFS typically co-opt the 2nd wave feminist talking point that gender is a social construct and say, “See? Gender is bullshit. Stop looking good in dresses!” So when Enbies come along and say the same thing, different from other trans people in that they don’t “reinforce” traditional gender roles (as if trans people are somehow a conservative concept), TERFs suddenly change their tune.
@@cthulhutheendless1587 No, us "TERFs" just recognize that no one is a perfect implementation of the gender binary, therefore in a way we have been fighting since second wave for most things to be considered free from the false personality binary. But we still want sex segregated spaces.
@@MilwaukeeWoman the new bird acronym is F.A.R.T.s out of respect we can refer to your political alignment by this term since it has less negative connotations. If you are up for it, I'd like to know what brought you to proclaim this was the hill you were to die on? What made you decide to be a deafening FART?
Holy shit, Joanne writes about obesity as obsessively as a male writer writes about women's chests. I'm starting to think she had it in for fat kids when she wrote Dudley.
I never realized how much she does this in her writing until recently and it makes me uncomfortable. I would say HP is a product of its time but I feel like it's still behind that.
"Think of the children!" Well I do... And I don't want any queer children to think that something is wrong with them anymore, so I fight for LGBTQ rights
@@MrBruh-yb9qi I remember growing up and thinking I was weird and strange and "not normal". I remember breaking down in my room crying because I realized I can't love guys. I remember having panick attacks because I found out I was a lesbian. There was no representation in media that would have shown me that it's ok and that I'm a normal human being. I know A LOT of young people commit suicide because of their gender and sexuality. But if you saying that what I and so many other people fight for is "poison", than I don't think you really care about children. The only thing you care about is yourself. Having happy children is less important to you, than yout believes. And I know, you will be making homophobic comments to me now. And I know I can't change your mind. But I don't really care. I just want you to know, that the real "poison" that's been given to children is from people like you
@@aryanpatel4682 yeah, we sure are different. Nothing says 'love' like denying trans youth their identity and insisting they conform to your expectations of them, you sad sad pathetic loser
I will never show a child any of these films oh my gosh. Unforgivable. I can imagine how much that would hurt to experience, it feels like being bullied, it feels like being assaulted, and I am an adult with context and thicker armour, not a growing child with no armour at all. The constant and consistently unpleasant parade of the same vomit "gag", heartbreaking history. I'm almost grateful their One Joke evolved into the Attack Helicopter if it meant dropping that emetophobic train wreck.
@@monicaenglish2566 she made a comment about the story structure of Raya the last dragon being similar to avatar the last air bender and people somehow took that as anti-asian hatespeech.
Yeah..... and I really liked some of those moments at the time.... looks like I’m succeeding at being better than past me, but it’s still weird looking back at who I was not too long ago.
It's also in at least one Leisure Suit Larry game. You know, the games about the sleazeball who lies, wears costumes and tricks women into sleeping with him.
I enjoy these self reflective moments of times. We all have stories of growing up in where we played "cowboys and Indians" or slang terms we used in highschool. Understanding other peoples view points and trauma don't make you a snowflake it makes you a decent human being. We can still look at these old movies with the glasses of the times but with a understanding of the present. I like the disclaimers put on shows/movies they are doing now.
"if the mere sight of a penis upsets you THAT MUCH how do you live with yourselves" i really needed that after all the psychic damage i had taken thanks
@@MsDudette21 why are you bringing up sexual assault ??? that has nothing to do with my comment . my comment was about ragging on overused transphobic jokes 😭😭 anyways, no men are going into women's bathrooms... and do you want to ban all children from public restrooms forever? that's what it sounds like. what do children accidentally seeing genitalia because they went into a public bathroom have to do with any of this . do you plan to sort people by genitals? you can't tell what sort of junk a person's got unless you strip them naked... what, do you want to enforce mandatory genital checks for EVERYBODY before someone uses the bathroom???? 😭 that would be so unnecessary and violating! and if you DON'T wanna use genital checks, that means you want to judge people by how masculine/feminine they are.... which singles out masculine cis women and feminine cis men too, not just trans people! there have been cis women who have been mistaken for trans women and harassed for using the women's restroom because somebody thought they "weren't feminine enough". trying to exclude trans women from women-only spaces hurts cis women too, and the people who do the hurting are people like you.
@@MsDudette21 anyways, don't bother responding after this. i'm going to block you now, because this is the maximum amount of my time and energy i'm willing to spend on arguing with a person who probably won't listen to anything i say.
@@MsDudette21 wait i think i get what you were trying to say. the youtuber says "how can you live with yourselves" after a montage of jokes about cis men being disgusted by the sight of trans women's penises. by this, the youtuber means "how are these cis men coping with being alive if they can't stand the sight of another person's dick", the joke being that cis men also have dicks. the montage of jokes was transphobic and pretty mentally draining to watch, so the youtuber's snark was a very welcome respite from it. k that's all, bye bye 👋
@@GREATESTALLY I understand that, I'm not trying to say there can't be gendered bathrooms. The point I'm trying to make is that peeping on someone and sexual assault isn't any less illegal regardless of it's a man, woman, or someone who's transgender. If someone did a sexual assault crime in the bathroom and then tried to say "Well I'm transgender." It wouldn't make it any less illegal and they wouldn't be any less in trouble.
@@GREATESTALLY Um, do people not realize how weird it is to care so much about what's inside the pants of strangers taking a piss in a public restroom?
@@GREATESTALLY You know, maybe every person would love the whole bathroom just for themselves and with no people of same and other gender in there, but sometimes a small inconvenience to yourself to the benefit of others at large isn't so bad? The advantage would be shorter paths to bathrooms. Because fuck looking for a loo, finding just the men's ones, and then circling all the way around the building to find the "correct" one. And you know maybe men have it super extra urgent sometimes too? IDK. I think there should be at the very least a rule, that in the case of urgent emergency, you can go to any bathroom that you happen to find... and i mean in case of public bathrooms, odds are, you're not going there super voluntarily anyway.
Can we address the whole “someone legit thought ‘death of the author’ meant people literally wanted to kill Joanne” thing? Because I’m not done laughing about that
That's not what the message said though. They thought Ellis misconstrued what JKR said, and asked how she'd feel if they misconstrued her "death of the author" video the same way. That point is moot, because Lindsay Ellis quite accurately interpreted what JKR said... But I think we need to address that, what they actually said, or we'll come off as wilfully misunderstanding them.
@@olly123451 Read in Jenny’s voice: “I was viciously, perniciously, and maliciously impersonated by an anonymous patreon impostor in the credits of a video by the slanderous Lindsay Ellis, and my legal team is fully prepared to fight this in court!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
all I've ever seen come out of this discussion from the reactionaries is "but because there is a 0.0001% chance someone could abuse this we need to prevent it from happening at all"
That's kind of the irony isn't it? As a person who works with young people, I care about trans rights specifically because I "care about the children". Watching people I care about suffer is why this is such a big issue to me. I hope everything has worked out for you.
"Think of the children" people are only thinking about themselves. Probably they don't even see children as people who can understand concepts but as props or even wrost, extensions of themselves. Anyway... it's a tough world from day 1 for those of us who are wrong for just existing (wrong for some people's perspectives I mean LOL)
after having saw various mens faces after having told them I'm trans...its obviously greatly exagerated...but the whole vomiting thing is pretty apt to most reactions. I understand it, some people just don't like the sausage. But for someone to seem super into you then suddenly disgusted because of something you have little control over...its a literal kick in the nuts, pardon the pun
Does JK not remember when she had harry hanging out in the girls toilets. he got in there just fine without "pretending to be a woman" Like sinister men can already go into the bathroom the only barrier is social.
Also, women can threaten women, too. In fact, now that this is becoming a thing, I’m more worried about a woman trying to break down my stall door demanding to see proof that I’m a woman.
Yes this is what I have been wondering (in general not the HP so much.) There is nothing stopping anyone now, and I have not yet been asked for any 'gender certificates' - in my country you can also change your ID gender by asking as well, no 'proof' needed. But what does that have to do with going to the toilet??
@@TulilaSalome It’s this idea that women’s bathrooms are sacred and perverts want to get in and leer at their privates. Never mind that gender-neutral bathrooms exist without issue and that there’s stalls offering more privacy and it’s inappropriate to barge into a stall someone is using regardless of gender.
"Think of the children" and "protect the children" roughly translates to "how can we maintain the status quo if children know that (insert marginalized category here) people are people?!"
When they talk about that, I think what they fear most is people they care about - their children in particular - being outcast from straight, cis, society. However, instead of managing to realise that the society itself is the problem for trying to pretend these people don't exist, or are 'mislead', or are 'evil', they are more willing to blame those brave enough to stand out for causing the social divisions that were once apparently implicit to become explicit. Of course, they were never implicit in the first place, such movements were just so thoroughly under the boot of hetero and cis normativity that you could ignore them if you tried hard enough. They fear the 'change', of gay and trans activists propagating a culture war against straight cis people as retaliation for the one carried out against them for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Through this lens, they see things like pride marches and media representation as challenges to be met against, hence the straight pride parades, or the accusations of over-representation. They seem to be under the impression that these are efforts to force straight, cis people out of the streets and off television, and the aforementioned responses are often carried out with the explicit aim of doing the same to LGBTQ+ people. This is also why they accuse institutions of 'special treatment' and hypocriscy when they get into trouble for spewing hateful bile, because their victim complexes are such that LGBTQ+ people existing in public is a threat to their own existence. Most of all they, fear that these changes could estrange them from their children, who they see as their legacy. Never once do they realise that if they have the misfortune of bearing any closeted LGBTQ+ children, or even just children who are better, kinder souls than them, then they have already estranged them through their own bigotry.
Which is why I'm utterly ecstatic about there being so much positive LGBT representation in children's and family media these days, let's keep it coming and hope for more!
@@strategghost1270 except the foster system has a direct effect on kids, which could be detrimental, whereas gender and sexual education and representation won't hurt anyone ??? those two things don't even correlate. _where is the point?_
"Think of the children" Yes, think of the children like mine who never see any representation of our family in children's books or shows. Who will be teased and discriminated against because they have two mom's, one of whom is trans. So yes, please think of the children who just want to see their family represented in the books and shows they love.
Yes, thank you! Those "think of the children" people seem to really say "think about a group of fictitious children that I believe are the most important".
@@edwardmcmanus in shows for older children, it is definitely becoming more and more common, but in shows for young children and toddlers it is still almost unheard of.
I love how in all of this, there's a nonstop undercurrent of humor, this undying, eye-rolling satire that continually begs the audience to question 'why it's even necessary to have these discussions, I mean what is this, the 1950's?' It's great.
Having to hide the charity you will be donating to because of a Fanfic Author's vengeance and litigious nature. This scenario seems like a fever dream.
@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 I was just about to write that!!! That's a great story to write about. The hero who has to hide their charity because evil corporate writer Madis... I mean, random baddie wants to sue everything you love
Yep. Apparently, Joanne also hates fat people. I used to LOVE Harry Potter, but it's apparent that J.K. Rowling only likes thin, cis-het, white people.
Which leaves some real unpleasant implications behind two-thirds of the protagonists being pro-slavery and mocking abolition. How much in that book wasn't a coincidence?
@@h00pla434 It gets even worse when you realize that Hermione's anti-slavery stance is effectively her only trait that isn't related to helping Harry in some way.
rewatching this and: thank you for keeping in so many of hbomb's incredulous comments because when he said "WE GET IT JOANNE YOU HATE POOR PEOPLE" i Really Felt That
Is it me or did the BBC panel who awarded Rowling for her 'essay' just went on name recognition? Swear this is the longest shit post I've seen and if they actually read all 900 pages surely they'd get the memo
In Britain at least, long ago, 'think of the mixed race children being bullied in the playground,' was used as an argument against mixed race marriage.
That is literally what my mother told me when I asked her about dating black guys when I was a young, impressionable Millennial child. At least I could smell the bullsh*t even then, I knew first hand that kids don't need a reason to bully other kids.
Isn't that just tragic martyr conservative Christian style shit? It's so obvious they're death cultists. They think being dead is better than being mixed race or poor or trans or autistic or anything other than """normal""".
@@FelisImpurrator -- SIIIIIIIIGH, yeaaaaah. A Quaker friend of mine has a lovely rant about that. It boils down to the fact there is a huge element among conservative Evangelicals who are just *aching* to be persecuted and they're just... *not.* What's happening is that said conservative Evangelicals act like a-holes and are *shocked,* *shocked* when they get pushback -- which they then perceive as persecution. So they double-down. And then we sane Christians say, "You're not being persecuted, you're acting like an a-hole and being treated like one. Stop being a Bad Witness."
@@jen4k2 I was evangelical-curious in high school and looking back I realize that being like Jesus and focusing on how Jesus and the apostles were persecuted was a big part of it. I don't remember anyone explicitly saying "we are being persecuted," but the desire to be the underdog was there.
This was such a small thing but in one of the other Strike books (I can’t remember which one) I was really thrown off by a comment about a character who was deemed unhygienic because they had a bit of a mascara gloop in their eye. It was just really judgemental and totally took me out of the story. It reminded me of some of the things my abusive ex used to say when pointing out my many flaws. Sometimes your eyes water, or you get something stuck in them, or a bit of sleep gets dislodged, doesn’t mean you’re unhygienic. It was very small but it’s stuck with me.
@@Corbomite_Meatballs maybe shes so preoccupied with it cuz shes the pervert (sips tea) jk jk thats a real stretch but no less than shes stretched to make her "points"
Yikesily ironic for the manufactured feud with Contrapoints to begin just a month before the surprisingly effective & bad-faith vitriolic canceling of Lindsay. Much love to both of you ladies & I hope to consume content from both of you soon & long into the future.
I had to look up what cancelling you were talking about because i missed that whole thing and wtf....that's the dumbest reason ive ever seen anyone get cancelled for. whats wrong with people sheesh
Lindsay you did nothing wrong by comparing ATLA to Raya. Honest trailers did the exact same thing in their trailer. Making such an obvious comparison does not make you racist and if anyone was seriously offended by your post, they are part of the problem, not you. Do not apologize. Do not bow down to the twitter mob.
I can totally see how Asian-Pacific Islander folks were reminded of the "all Asians are the same" stigma, but so much of the drama feels like people were just waiting for the chance to attack regardless of context.
@@mikoaj5002 You do kinda have a point there, but I think that has more to do with the ubiquity of Atla in how it was many peoples first in this sort of, growing Chinese aesthetic animation. Unless you're really looking into animation produced from Chinese sources, it makes sense that the first thing you think of is, well, the cartoon that still gets fawned over 14 years later. In your own example, if a kid who was rather apathetic to learning about jazz thought that Benjamin Franklyn slapped, and then had that door open to them, that will color their perception, right?
I love the notion of “think of the children” because yeah dude, that’s literally why I want to normalize talking to kids about LGBT+ people. Because I think its good for them.
Thats basically what Iv done with my little sister. Im straight and for a few years now have given small nudges to her on the topic of gay and trans people. Yeah you could walk up and say "they are regular people just like you and me" but Idk if that actually resonates with them so instead we'll be watching cartoons and if a character was queer Id nonchalantly point it out such as the teacher Mr Simmons on Hey Arnold and its now to the point where to her it is normal
I hate the concept of think of the children. As if there aren't LGBT+ kids. As if I weren't one of them. As if we should keep kids feeling confused and dirty for who they are.
as a kid i didnt care that one of my friends had two moms, and honestly i thought it was pretty cool، what people seem to forget is that kids don't really care about stuff like this, the concept of boys liking girls us just as weird to them as boys liking boys or girls liking girls lmao. As long as your parents say its nornal you just nod and keep playing with your friends :)
Exactly! I went to school shortly after Section 28 (made it illegal to talk about LGBT+ positively in schools) was repealed so didn't get that education as it wasn't part of the curriculum. When I realised I was bi, I did my absolute best to make sure my brother and sister were properly educated on this stuff, even if they did also learn about it in schools as we're well past the time that was repealed and it's now been worked into the curriculum
Just here to voice my support, Lindsay makes great content, and flourishes when she gets the time and space to be nuanced and explore a topic in full. I hope you are able to take care of yourself!
They think of the children exactly for that period, that the children don't act in a way they do not approve... I could scream every time I hear this phrase
@@MrTravisCS What does that have to do with wether or not I hate the term "think of the children". You could ask the people using this term. Like you could ask "what children specificly?"
"Silence of the Lambs, like Psycho before it, has the problem of being one of the best movies ever made..." is the most painfully true thing I've heard in a while
Hitch at least was born in 1899, and lambs even was a product of it's time. It's hard to defend the vomit scenes in ace ventura, and even later in family guy.
@@claytonberg721 Family Guy is also just a generally awful and derivative show, while Psycho and Lambs are both masterful thrillers that, for all their problems, still deserve recognition as hugely important to film history. That same influence can't be found in Family Guy.
@@claytonberg721 It's sooo hard to defend the scenes in Ace Ventura, yet I sooo laughed at the cinema. It was a joke aimed at cis men before we knew what that even meant. Don't judge us too harshly.
@@claytonberg721 I learnt of the song "Crying Game" from Ace Ventura, and it is still on my playlist. Really sad they used it the way they did - as a questionable homage - to the movie it was from. I've never seen it, but Lindsey seemed to give it an "A for effort", despite creating the vomiting schtick. And still...the Ace Ventura and the Naked Gun scenes made me laugh, which makes me feel a little uneasy and guilty.
The discussion of how Buffy Bill’s behaviour has been folded into the popular understanding of trans people- despite the fact that it is pointed out that he is not a trans woman- reminds me of how Megan Fox’s Transformers character is remembered as fan service, even though on paper she is an intelligent brave mechanic who pretty much solves the movie for LeBouef. (This is from Lindsay’s video on the male gaze in transformers)
@@Eviltwin531 me neither, but I'm pretty much desensitized to these sorts of stuff thanks to edgy friends showing me stuff from liveleak from like 14 and I really don't know what I should be thinking about it
@@lulucanpy3513 Objectively, they're not too horrible (I mean, it looks like a piece of old leather in the shape of a face. Think of the Michael Myers Halloween mask,) I think it's mostly knowing *where* they came from that make it really unsettling.
The "black Hermione" thing has been taken out of context tbh. She never said Hermione was meant to be black, just that she supports a black actress playing her on stage,
@@junjunjamore7735 nah, she explicitly said that "white skin was never specified" (spoilers, she did). Like I'm not defending the racists who got mad over the existence of a black woman, but to claim that was always her intention is disingenuous af, specially considering every other black character is very specifically described as being black
@@cariander 1) I’m pretty sure there was one line in the entire series that said she was pale 2) the point the other person made was that JKR supported the casting, not that JKR always pictured Hermione as black
Lindsay told that it wasn't long time ago when people used children as argument in the issue of the same-gender marriage. I live in Russia and people still use this argument here.
I find it fascinating that the woman who is so concerned with “female erasure” wrote her novel under a male pen name. Hell the pseudonym she’s so well known for writing under that’s its practically become her name is essentially gender neutral. And she made it that way so her book would appeal to more audiences. Its just mind boggling really.
The gender neutral name J.K. Rowling was originally her publisher's idea. I think that we should then blame the publishers for pushing this idea that "oh, yeah, I'll publish you, but no boy would buy a book by a woman so please use your initials." I wouldn't blame any other female writer if they were pushed to do the same thing.
While it smacks of hypocrisy, it’s hard to fault her or any individual author for doing this. It sucks, but one author alone cannot hope to overturn this cultural issue, so her using her real name would serve only to hurt the exposure of her work without benefitting anyone in any measurable way. She could get street cred for keeping it real with her name, but in the words/lyrics of Boston’s infamous Kings of Nuthin’: no one hands out medals for keeping it real, they don’t know what it means and they don’t care how you feel”
Love you Lindsay, your videos have helped me critically analyze films n shows. And find a passion for films in general that I couldn’t articulate a few years back!!! That’s a super valuable thing imo.
I'm very thankful for Lindsay Ellis (and Angelina, hi!), her videos have been eye-opening in many opportunities and also very entertaining, they have been of great helo during the dark times of my life and have made me very happy.
I love JK Rowling's bit about "if i had fallen in with the wrong crowd, i could have been persuaded to transition." It reminds me of when i was a homeschooled teenager and used to say, "If it wasn't for Jesus, i would be gay." Turns out, it wasn't Jesus, i was just repressing the hell out of my sexuality.
Ugh, sorry to hear you had to go through that bullcrap. Glad you're here now. In J.K.'s case it reminds me of that age-old scare "We can't let young impressionable kids hang out with gay people because then they'll turn them gay", like being gay or being trans is something you can be talked into like a cult or a pyramid scheme.
Basically Rowling using her own self-loathing for being a woman as an excuse for promoting anti-trans legislation. Kinda interesting in this regard that she used to leave her gender vague by just using J.K. in her first series of novels and afterwards posing as a man for her second series of novels.
@@JazzStation95 Okay I'm lowkey getting kinkshame vibes here which is uncool IMO. Engagement with futanari content varies quite a lot, I've talked to guys who said futanari porn was gay unless it was 1 futa and 1 chick of the non-dick variety. Like, if a guy did the "trans panic puking" thing, responding with, "But you fap to futa porn!" seems super unproductive to me. All that said, "trans panic puke" is a million times worse than the attack helicopter joke and the world is much better without it, just wish it had happened sooner so I wasn't exposed to it as a kid so much.
@@Thutil idk anything about hentai so i won’t comment on that but both “jokes” suck really hard and diminish trans identities as just that: jokes. i wouldn’t necessarily say that one is worse than the other because they are both super harmful
Lindsay I just wanted to say, your videos and you have always been an inspiration to me. Your humor and your intelligence gave me hope and guidance, and you and the people on here like Contra gave me the courage to finally come out to my parents and confront them. Stay strong and stay proud, Lindsay.
You know what would make me feel safer in bathrooms? Stall walls and doors that go all the way to the floor and don't have inch wide gaps where they "meet".
PREACH it! The walls of the stalls at the movie theater near me are _so_ short, I won't go to the bathroom there. The one time I did, I felt like people could see my thighs on the toilet--they're THAT high. I'd rather hold it 'til I get home!
Thank you! It’s weird that bathrooms and locker rooms arnt private at all. People have a problem with trans people even being in the same room as them but are fine butt-naked in a locker room full of cispeople or peeing in a urinal next to another cisman.
I've seen a bathroom designed by someone who was desperately hoping that tall people would never use it, and that people of average height would just see the top of someone's head in the stall and decide not to stand closer. Someone should've told them that making eye contact with someone currently taking a dump while waiting for a stall doesn't make using the stall more appealing to use.
This was a rough one to sit through, not because of you but because of the movie clips and such. I put it off for a while, knowing it would be so - but it's good to know the minds and tactics of the transphobic (and clearly just disgustingly sexist) freaks out there like rowling. Thank you for both being an ally, Lindsay, and for the informative video.
I'd like to add Candis Cayne, who plays Mrs Hudson on Elementary. Trans woman, playing a trans woman. It's brought up a couple times and then she's just a character. Also, when they say "think of the children" I ask if they ever think of the trans kids who face a significantly higher victim and suicide rate than cis. Yeah, they need to think of the children.
Raise your hand if you have ever been personally victimized by Lindsay Ellis
oh my GOD lmfao!
**raises hand**
Lindsay Ellis MUST BE STOPPED!
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Also hi I love your midnight streams they help to alleviate my moon-fueled zoomies
I mean, she is a menace.
"Think of the children" I did! I don't care ❤
the fact nobody has seen this 😂
King.
the king has landed
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“[passive aggressive message] ❤️” is so funny; why?
I agree with the "think of the children" argument- kids should be shielded from adults who teach them to fear and hate people for arbitrary reasons.
alternative response to that: YES DO THINK OF THE CHILDREN, let them grow up seeing themselves represented in media, trans kids do exist, just like gay kids exist
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
Also we must shield them from the influences of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Surely this is the most heinous of influences on their poor impressionable minds.
@@keikei2942 oh really, why is that? Is it simply because you don't actually care about the women in suppossive danger and are simply transphobic?
Sometimes I think kids should be shielded from adults in general.
The thing I hate about the “Trans people in prison” segment, these people didn’t care about prison rape UNTIL they could use it to further their agenda.
And that's the case with every one of their argument, too. They don't give a single shit about women's sports either, yet here they are, pretending that trans women are destroying women's competitions.
@@honkstheclown8631 It is Hyacinth :)
@@honkstheclown8631 After doing my own "research" my conclusion is quite close to what ContraPoints is stating currently about gender identity, gender. Though I would question what her Gender Feeling is about?
I think the whole gender/gender identity theory as it is presented by "Your side" is absurd. Some preaching words:
According to my observations I become easily frustrated and aggressive. But I don't like that trait about me. Feelings about my traits constitute what my identity is? Or maybe I just feel bad about the part of my identity, which is being easily frustrated and becoming aggressive? Or maybe both things - actual description of me and my feelings about it - constite my identity?
So if I observe that I have a penis, my body is very muscular, I have tendency to become aggressive quite easily, I have a beard, I have a low voice, but I don't like those traits about me and I wish I had a female body parts and personality traits stereotypically called feminine? What is my identity then? Feelings over observations of my actual behaviour, my reactions?
Let's say I don't like my skin tone and I wish I was born with a darker skin tone. Let's say I don't like my culture but I wish I was a part of a given distant culture. Do those things make me i.e. transracial?
Or maybe one should think is there a good reason for having such feelings.
Maybe there is nothing essential behind those feelings? Maybe brains don't inherit and don't create under an influence of hormones any circuits that are responsible tor feeling bad about own body observable sex traits or own skin tone?
See also people who want to ENCOURAGE prison rape to deter potential criminals, and people who use prison rape as justification for letting rapists off on minor sentences.
Exactly.
The bathroom thing is super weird to me, because JKR herself wrote an entire subplot about a bunch of cis-boys hanging around in a girl's bathroom with zero consequences
not zero consequences: both harry and cedric profit mightily from their encounters with myrtle
It's weird to me because I am not that fussed about the whole bathroom thing anyway. Personally I think our bathroom designs are completely outdated, and that there should be one bathroom for all genders, with one extra room at one side for the urinals and one extra room at the other side for changing diapers. That would solve a lot of problems at once. For one, women with male children would no longer have to make the difficult decision which bathroom they should used, two fathers could change their babies without having to worry if there is an extra-space for this, three it would most likely improve the flow of people going to the bathroom. And if someone peeks over the stalls, that person is a pervert, no matter what gender. I mean, who tells me that no other women is peeking at me in my supposedly save space?
@@swanpride I completely agree with this. Gendered bathrooms are so outdated.
Complete with a major element of Moaning Myrtle loving to spy on boys in the bathroom, thus being an exact inversion of the thing Rowling is so scared of.
@@swanpride the stalls should have floor to ceiling doors. There’s no reason for the gap, just put an ‘engaged’ thing on the outside of the lock.
Two of my recent workplaces had gender neutral bathrooms and it wasn’t weird, but it was more convenient/faster (also cleaner). Also stalls should have their own sinks, and all should be sized for wheelchairs. Inclusiveness for all!
The reason it doesn't matter that the villian isn't a trans woman but a cis man who dresses as a woman for nefarious purposes, is because transphobic people believe the former *are* the latter.
@@AlexReynard when the artist is a transphobe, though, you get quite the curveball
@@AlexReynard It would be if it weren't for the fact that MOST depictions in media until fairly recently were all putting out a message that a certain kind of people can only be a certain kind of thing. The individual stories don't exist in a vacuum; they reinforce each other.
@@AlexReynard Elevating good art has nothing to do with an artist conflating trans people with the existing cultural notion that "men will put on a wig and stay they're a woman to do sex crimes"
@@AlexReynard Do you mean you haven't seen anything to convince you JK Rowling *isn't* a transphobe? Because you then went on to describe transphobia pretty solidly.
@@AlexReynard That's essentially the problem Johanne is a transphobe by ignorance, not malice, but the results of that are effectively the same. She doesn't understand that trans women aren't predatory guys in drag and she doesn't understand that trans men aren't victimized women. So when she writes a predatory man in drag into her story it is painfully obvious that that is a depiction of a trans person because that's what she thinks trans women are.
So I watched "Some Like it Hot" based largely on the positive recommendation here and wow, that movie is so gay. Like, gay in a way I never could have expected given the time period. And sure, I don't want to read too much into it, I know the gay elements are likely in there as gags and not meant to be taken seriously. But on the other hand, a man pretending to be a woman falls in love with a man overtly, like, under no uncertain terms, he is completely in love. Then when the other man realizes that the man in drag is actually a man, is left 100% unfazed by this and still wants to be with him. Hella gay in 1959.
Right? I rewatched it after this video (it's just a classic), and it's really gay in a surprisingly lovely way.
I recommend looking into pre-code films. Shit's super gay as well.
And the fact that the other man is only initially confused before deciding to accept it is also nice.
That reminds me of my recollection of Ace Ventura. Because I watched it first when I was really young, I understood the plot as Finkle "being a man" to mean that he was disguised and was seeking a position of power in the police to get revenge, because I didn't even know what Trans people were. Then when I discovered trans people existed...I still never made the connection that Finkle was supposed to be a reference to Trans people. The plot still in my head was still basically a bad guy "going under cover" and taking advantage of the bullshit lack of accountability and huge amount of power police have over our society to use his new disguise and position for revenge.
It's unbelievably progressive considering the time period it was made. And the comedy actually holds up.
"Trans-panic puke walked so attack helicopter could fly." Like you've had quite a few great one-liners in this video already, but holy fuck that killed me.
The culmination of centuries of language development led to this joke.
I'm hungry
How does it feel to be overshadowed by Jenny Nicholson again?
Kidding, your bit in this video was great too. Just not as iconic as Jenny’s fake British accent.
FOR DONUTS?
Hi Hungry! Its me, Dad.
Would you like a delicious egg?
@@realsonofmars dad jokes intensifies
"You don't have to write the accent in Joanne, we get that you hate poor people" is the greatest thing that will be said this year.
God and its so true I love it
Harry's reactions are priceless.
I like to think of it as, JKR still thinks she's as important as Dickens.
The only thing I remember from reading the Harry Potter books was the time she tried to show off using the word "gerrymander" in a way that didn't really make sense
@@CosmosCompletion PO
Harry's boggart is a dementor, Neville's is professor Snape and Rowlings boggart is without a doubt an overweight transwoman.
@Gabe Davis and that is why Snape is a bad guy and is not redeemable because Lily dumped him for calling her a racial slur. Fight me, Joanne.
@@skylarjohnson7779 exactly, if a CHILD’S (well young teen but still) greatest fear is one of their fucking teachers the teacher is EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC.
@Gabe Davis and how does joanne decide to make Snape Boggart funny (~because you defeat a boggart by laughing at it~) if not with the *timeless* "haha it's funny cause it's a man in a dress" gag
Trust me, if Chris Columbus's first choice for the role, Tim Roth, hadn't turned it down in favor of the villain in 2000's Planet of the Apes, we would not be having this morality quandary 15 years later.
@oh darn, it’s me bRaVEsT mAN Harry ever kneww11!!!11
1:55 I still cannot believe this argument still exists. From the moment it first cropped up I realized "hey, guys, you do realize gay people exist, right? You've been in restrooms with people attracted to your sex your whole lives and it hasn't been an issue."
TERFs and other reactionaries will chase lesbians out of the bathrooms too, especially if they look “too androgynous”.
It's been less than two decades since it was mainstream to fearmonger the same thing about gay people, yeah. They were saying it about them since the fifties but people want to pretend that transphobia is both unique and okay.
I try to avoid using Public restrooms, but for reasons not related to bigotry.
You say that like most transphobes happily accept gay people.
Whenever someone invokes “Think of the Children” they of course never mean the LGBTQA+ children who benefit from seeing themselves represented positively in the media.
right?! and the LGBT+ children's friends who could be better allies if they understood and empathized with LGBT+ characters
Usually they mean "Think of the children I won't be able to turn into reactionary bigots because they know better."
It seems like they don't believe that LGBTQA+ children exist. Dunces.
I don't know if anyone that uses "think of the children" actually thinks of the children, I've only ever seen it used to try and justify why the things they don't approve of not be allowed .
100%!!!!
i can't get over that she wrote "deafening fart" in her "serious" "adult" book
It’s driving me mad actually
THIS OMG I THOUGHT THAT WAS HBOMB TROLLING AT FIRST
Andrzej Sapkowski did it in The Witcher books too and it's absolutely wild
@@syddomann3054 Wait who farted?
You forgot the quotation marks over "book"
“I’m a man.”
“Nobody’s perfect.”
At this precise moment, my soul left my body
Lol I know
Now I legit need to watch this movie
@@draconicfeline6177 it's such a good film. Big recommend
"Some Like it Hot" is fantastic, the jokes have aged so well and it's just generally very warm and sweet
This entire film is just brilliant. Love it so much
Once upon a time, I knew a group of four, very large (shortest was 6'4") black transsexuals. They were called the Gay Mafia (ostensibly it would have been offensive, but they liked the nickname and kept it). They were good Catholic girls (MTF trans, in case this is unclear, I am using the correct pronouns and all). They were poor, they relied on prostitution to get by. They often had social diseases as a result. But they still went to Church, and they were still good and kind people.
Those girls saved my mother's life once, at the Catholic Outreach, where they would go to get clothes and Church assistance (you had to have a referral from a social worker to get most things, but you could get clothes and some cheap food free, bread and fruits and whatnot). My mother, God rest her soul, was one of the only people who treated them like.. Y'know, people. She'd help them pick out dresses. She'd help them find matching shoes, in their sizes. She'd help them find nice hats. And sturdy purses. She was almost as much their mother as she was mine, because she didn't judge them (she did occasionally refer to them as 'wayward children of God' but that was because she disapproved of the prostitution, a proper New England middle class almost-blueblood like her saw it as terribly un-ladylike) she just helped them as was both Right and Godly.
A gang banger came to the Outreach one day, mom had turned away his "bitch" because she did not have a referral to get all she wanted. He put a gun in my mother's face. Then the girls showed up, and I don't care how tough you think a gun makes you, when you're 5'6" surrounded by several well built people almost a foot taller than you, you get nervous. They disarmed the damned fool, cleared his gun and threw it away, then picked him up, carried him to the Rite Aid down the block, took off their pumps, and began doing their Sunday Church dance routines all over his skeleton. Poor bastard got literally stomped for almost twenty minutes before the cops finally broke it up.
They were not jailed or prosecuted for doing this, since it's hard to argue that "four large black 'men' protecting a gaggle of mostly elderly white women from some shithead with a loaded gun" is a "bad" thing. They were good people. They should have gotten a commendation and a news article. But since this was Georgia, and the deep south no less, that didn't happen. It still angers me if I think about it.
They were good people, and should have been given much deserved publicity for it.
Thank you for telling this story. This way it lives on and I can tell it to other people.
What an interesting story.
@@tortis6342 Funniest part was how the cops just kinda.. Stood there and watched for, perhaps, a bit longer than they should have. "We should do something about this." "Yes, yes we should. Let me figure out what, first."
@@rhorybader4054 rare cop w
Violence is ok when the right people do it.
Harry and Ron managed to get into the girls bathroom without much trouble. Really makes you think.
Joanne.... I have bad news for you...
@@frozenweevil4022 Harry was short for Harriet
That there was a ghost in the bathroom scaring everyone away?
lmao how the fuck did I forget about that 🤣
Ignoring that boys can´t go to the girl´s Dormitory but Girls can go to the boys.
My sister pointed out that if a man wants to assault a woman in a bathroom, he doesn't need to pretend to be trans; he'll just walk in regardless.
It's not like rapists can use the defence "it's not assault if I identify as a woman".
@@howdydoo9148 no, there usually too busy taking a shit to give a shit
THANK YOU BAHHA
On the other hand, in some jurisdictions murderers can use the defense "I found out -she- he was a trans 'woman'." I am not exaggerating.
@@timothymclean what????
@@howdydoo9148 But then he can just claim to be a passing trans man and that he doesn't have access to the mens room.
Check mate JK
Something that has always bothered me about the bathroom argument is that we don't live in a world where there's some security guard checking IDs or certificates before you enter a bathroom. If a man wanted to enter a bathroom to do crimes against women, he could easily do so without even having to dress even remotely femininely.
Yup and they do, women get assaulted in women's bathrooms by men all the time. The bathroom argument is bogus.
The people who make it are just trying to rationalize their own discomfort at being around trans people.
I swear conservatives are getting desperate. In Florida the conservatives passed a bill that would require a genital inspection for high school and college athletes. It's just another disgusting display of transphobia and policing people's bodies.
it's not about the rational possibility of something like this happening itself , and it's not even about trans people . i think it's about actual straight men abusing the bathroom law to do their ugly deed. sorry but i understand the fear . i just find it sad that trans people have to suffer the backlash of it that's all . but i don't feel like downplaying the concerns of others ( everyone deserves to be heard ), who am I to judge that said concern is legitimate or not ? but that's just me
@@liliks14 i understand the concern of being assaulted in a public space like that as well, but i think its absurd to think that a man would go so far as to dress trans to gain access to said space. Like i said, there are no guards deciding who can go into the bathroom or not. If a man wanted to assault a woman they could just walk right in. Theres no need for them to fake being trans to do it. That rhetoric is absurd and just an excuse to make sure trans people arent accepted into their true identity.
@@liliks14 Litterally no one is denying the fear of being assualted in a bathroom is legitmate? like I said it happens all the time but bathroom bills against trans people will do absolutely nothing to stop it.
3:29 I love how Lindsay's response is just "this is an interesting perspective -- are you familiar with the theory of ligma?"
Response of a queen
The weirdest part of transphobia to me is the obsession with wigs, like, do terfs not realize we just grow our own hair out? Some of us have good hairlines
As a cis man with “quarantine hair” that I haven’t cut yet I don’t get it either, I mean they’re all about Jesus and he’s usually depicted with glorious hair, no?
And that lots of cis women don’t have all natural hair? Wigs, weaves, extensions, plenty of cis women have been supplementing their natural hair for decades to get the looks they want or feel are expected of them.
It’s such a weird thing to fixate on
(i am cis) but it may just be an example of people thinking transness is just a costume?? Like that transwomen are making a choice to put on a wig to appear feminine, but have short masculine hair underneath. as if its a halloween costume for convenience.
@@burnbunnie That's exactly it. The characters can take it on and off for convenience. It's a character, not something they live. It's how TERFs see trans folk.
For real, my hair is amazing and the envy of all individuals, gendered or no, in a hundred miles radius
"Transexuals are very passive"
I DONT NEED THE CALLOUT Clarice.
I’ll be sure to remember how passive I’m supposed to be on my next trip to the gun store.
It's passive aggressive for me.
@@irrelevantweirdo6347 I'm not trans, but I wonder what a trans perspective of the idea of someone 'wrongfully thinking that they are trans' would be. To me it seems dismissive and transphobic, cause I have a hard time seeing how someone could be said to be wrong about their own gender identity. Not to say that people's gender identity can't evolve or that people themselves can't feel confused about their gender identity. But for others to say that someone else just 'thinks' that they are trans, seems like a damaging idea
@@SparklyDream Hello! Trans person speaking, and I can offer a brief opinion (which obviously is just mine, and not indicative of the community) of how I see this.
In my opinion, the idea of "thinking you're trans but not being trans" is indeed a transphobic idea- except in the case where that person's perception of reality is already so skewed that their opinions on other things (like their own sanity) can't be trusted. In regards to Buffalo Bill, if he were portrayed as a remotely stable individual, it would seem as if Lecter and everyone else were just being asshats, but since we see how unhinged he is, we trust that he can't be relied upon to portray his mental state.
Basically, this very specific instance is okay-ish, but it's not good to set as a standard. It's a bit like that question that gets thrown around, "Would it be ethical to have sex with a minor if their mind were that of someone X years older." Can you answer is in regards to the hypothetical? Certainly. Is it a question that really has any bearing on reality? Not really, no, and it probably indicates something less than good about the person who feels the need to ask it.
In other words, it's probably accurate to say that Buffalo Bill isn't trans- but the real world doesn't exactly have many Buffalo Bills.
@@heatherrockwell9012 i, another transgender person, couldn’t have said it better myself. beautifully worded
I love Hbomberguy slowly breaking down the more he reads quotes from the book.
It’s a Hbomb tradition
Taking either Lindsay's and Natalie's side in the feud is like choosing between one of your parents when they have a fight.
right??
in other words, which of my hot moms from the internet do I love more?
@@butterflymackay7768 oh my GOD GO TO YOUR ROOM 🤣
@@internetexplorer6304 theyre both 30something they count as milfs
@@voidify3 STOP! You've violated the law! 🤣
Jenny Nicholson: I Don't Do British Accents
Also Jenny Nicholson:
I mean it was proof that she doesn't 🤣
Her Rarity voice was so great, though. I'm super glad she's doing it again!
As a British person..... it’s fine. She’s great. But it’s just fine 😅
that was her? it was very funny
It wouldn't be anywhere _near_ as funny if she was _good_ at British accents!
joanne rowling: predatory men *will* dress fem to enter the womens' bathroom!
also joanne rowling: okay so harry and ron hang out in the girls' bathroom almost every day for like two months-
Also OK for Hermione disguise herself by switching genders and literally tricking people into believing shes a man
(Happens at the begining of the 7th book)
@@emiliobustamante2401 obviously because she's not a naïve gender confused autistic *according to JK*
@@emiliobustamante2401 seriously though Fleur as Harry is chill too
Yes because lets just pretend the setup that the bathroom is not used by anyone in years/ and hermione is the one who suggests it in the first place just doesnt happen
@@JJ-ge7rv dude it's a *joke* ?
Lindsay, I don't know if I can support you anymore after finding out you supplied Bashar Al-Assad with Chemical Weapons in 2018.
This made me LOL
This a reference to something?
What?
I hated it when she Donated those white phosphorous bombs.
I'm upset she is the cause of all human suffering from dawn of writing onwards.
I know this will likely just get lost (like a turd... in the wind...) and that there are assistants reading this message, but I wanted to express my appreciation for all of the good that Lindsay Ellis has put into the world. It is easy to criticize and name-call. It is difficult to research and present an intelligent opinion.
The Venom reference is wonderful
"like a turd... in the wind"
"All movies are bad." I...you have a point.
I didn't expect to see you in a random comment but since I did, I'll just say your channel is a breath of fresh air! It's way more fun to like things instead of look for things to dislike, and the world could use more positivity and optimism. Your videos are like comfort-food. So thank you, and keep doing what you're doing (for as long as you want to, of course)!
“I don’t... I don’t really like movies.”
All Movies Are Bastards
Except Tarkovsky's version of Solaris. That is a piece of beautiful art.
You make good videos :)
Love what you do ❤️
The bathroom part of Joanne's essay was essentially "I need therapy due to my internalization of my traumatic abuse, but instead of bothering with that self-reflection sh*t let's blame trans people for my feelings and call them predators."
People just wanna p*ss, Joanne.
And with all this fearmongering about men dressing up as women to prey upon women in the bathroom, couldn't they just do that now? I've never understood the logic behind that. "A man was gonna sexually assault a woman in the women's bathroom, but it wasn't legal for him to enter the restroom as a man. Now that there's a loophole he can exploit, he can do the illegal thing by legally getting his literal foot in the door." ???
We have a park in my city with a sign that says it's illegal to sell or use drugs in the park. The people doing so late at night aren't really the types to be deterred by a sign.
Why gendered bathrooms even a thing? Can't it be just two separate rooms: one with stalls and other with urinals?
@@TheYakusoku @ContraPoints partly answers this in her most recent video where she quotes one of Rowling's TERF squad as saying that cis women need to be constantly on guard against men but can let that guard down around other cis women. It's such a bizarre essentialist argument in its willful ignorance of women's abuse of other women that I never would have worked it out on my own. (Next time I rewatch the vid, I'll come back with a citation.)
@@TheYakusoku UA-cam deleted my reply even though there was literally nothing wrong with it, so I will state it in a less auto-censor-bot way.
1. I agree with what you said.
2. Transphobia of today is exactly the same sort of language used to justify homophobia of the past.
3. We're all just trying to exist and we need to treat each other better for our differences.
@@begemotowa It's not even like there aren't stalls in the urinal bathrooms. Just have one bathroom with both, or just one with stalls, because urinals are kind of weird and awkward anyway, aren't they? There's a whole etiquette for how close you can stand to somebody because your bits are just out in front of each other, and it's never any less unpleasant even if you do follow the rules.
"What the fuck-. When you asked me to read these...I didn't think they would be this bad." killed me. I feel the horrified/exasperated disbelief in my soul.
Holy shit, I blocked that ace ventura scene out of my mind years ago. Seeing it again was actually really hard. I hate that I was exposed to this level of transphobia at a young age. It absolutely had an effect on how long I hid in the closet.
I'm realizing how much I've blocked out too. Giving people a pass for behaving in ways that we can't agree with... it's just a movie... it's just a joke... it's just a racist relative... Ignore Them! Right?? Keep peace, don't rock the boat, dont respond you aren't the idiot whisperer, block, unlike, click, cancel. Conversation over.
It's actually sad what most discourse has become, and still is a problematic part of what keeps the hierarchical power structures in place. We do. With our language, actions, statements, choices.
I'm practicing something new! Evertime I feel or act defensive about something, I'm pausing to take a moment to look at what I'm defending, what specific belief is being challenged. It has so far been illuminating!
Yeah, that scene... it kind of ruined the entire stupid movie for me. It was just so awful.
The thing is I only recently got to watch it and I was shocked at it, it's cringy and to think people actually laughed at that is embarrassing
I can remember that when I saw it as a child my reaction was along the lines of "she still smoking hot tho 🤔"
oof same! I vaguely remember watching the movie, and my total non-memory of her being trans indicates how painfully naturalized that view was presented to me
One trans character portrayal that really surprised me was in Twin Peaks when Cooper realized that his buddy from the FBI had transitioned and is surprised at first but then immediately smiles and corrects himself and calls her by her new name and pronouns. Just a really sweet moment that caught me off guard in an episode from 1991.
teh way they handled that character in the new series was also great
If I recall correctly, David Lynch pretty much said transphobes should die in season 3 too lol.
@@gothgrrl8711 I'm watching through the series for the first time rn with my sister. I'm excited to hear she's in the new series!! 🖤
david lynch is a king
@@Kermthefrog lmao what a king of redemption arc.
is this true tho? I actually been meaning to watch the show for years.
"you don't have to write the accent in, joanne. we get that you hate poor people" HARRIS-
41:35 for my own future reference
He's so right, though. It's like when Americans write the character with the southern accent as the penniless moron.
@@vesperfromtheinternet5588 me too thanks
I say similar things when reading comics written by Christ Claremont though with him I think it’s because he probably is excited in the misguided belief that he’s genuinely getting the dialects right.
Memories of reading "Career of Evil" , in which Cormaran Strike visited my working class hometown and Rowling did the phonetic accent thing plus really outdated dialect words, some of them from the wrong region.... 🙃
it shocks me how Rowling goes on tirades about how “our daughters are being tricked into being trans!!!!!” and not once do we see a trans man in any of these transphobic pieces of media. it’s almost as though we’re completely invisible
Yah, the media just acts like trans men don't exist, expect the occasional, we are losing are fellow women/lesbian's to the trans.
Cuz it's not like ppl can't take time to figure themselves out, or reach a stage whew they feel ready to transition.
I was 25 when I finally confronted my repressed feelings and finally understood them again, for the first time since I was 5 secretly putting on my aunt's old clothes wanting to be a girl.
@@craigpoer lol the office room my project is in has 4 trans ppl out of 70.
And 3 non-binary that I know of. Others will I can't know all 70 individuals that well.
Oh and hello I'm a Transwoman lesbian. I do in fact exist and we aren't that hard to find.
My list job has 8 ppl on my shit me Transwoman and a non binary individual as well.
And we're always like. Assumed to be tomboy lesbians who just...got tricked somehow.
Who's gonna tell them I like boys and love fem clothes, they just make me feel dysphoric? Or about my knitting and embroidery? It's almost like there's not a connection between these at all! /extreme sarcasm
@@craigpoer Intersex people are more common than red hair. So. Yknow. Gender representation different from assigned sex (like left handedness used to be) is on the rise as it's less repressed and hated.
@@craigpoer There are very little statistics about this, but Ive seen statistics ranging from 0.5% to 2% of the population
Joanne: “Gender is a social construct”
Enbys exist
Joanne: “no.”
I mean, when did she say it was a social construct?
Last time I hear she was reducing women to their reproductive organs and throwing a literary fit over anyone who wasn't being a woman in the "right" way.
@@teaartist6455 -I don’t know if she did, but TERFS typically co-opt the 2nd wave feminist talking point that gender is a social construct and say, “See? Gender is bullshit. Stop looking good in dresses!”
So when Enbies come along and say the same thing, different from other trans people in that they don’t “reinforce” traditional gender roles (as if trans people are somehow a conservative concept), TERFs suddenly change their tune.
@@cthulhutheendless1587 No, us "TERFs" just recognize that no one is a perfect implementation of the gender binary, therefore in a way we have been fighting since second wave for most things to be considered free from the false personality binary. But we still want sex segregated spaces.
@@MilwaukeeWoman the new bird acronym is F.A.R.T.s
out of respect we can refer to your political alignment by this term since it has less negative connotations. If you are up for it, I'd like to know what brought you to proclaim this was the hill you were to die on?
What made you decide to be a deafening FART?
@@MilwaukeeWoman Gender critical is pink alt-right.
Holy shit, Joanne writes about obesity as obsessively as a male writer writes about women's chests. I'm starting to think she had it in for fat kids when she wrote Dudley.
So much for being a "feminist" concerned about women's well-being lol what's not clicking Joannneee?
She’s like EL James’ obsession with skinny girls but in the other direction
@@FluffyBunniesOnFire link?
She also wrote Umbridge to be fat and ugly and "toad-like."
@@FluffyBunniesOnFire same!
Joanne: the fat man was fat and gross. Publisher: brilliant writing.
That's some Billy Bunter shit right there...
I never realized how much she does this in her writing until recently and it makes me uncomfortable. I would say HP is a product of its time but I feel like it's still behind that.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the fat shaming in the terf book
The parody of this kind of writing that shows up in “Wizard People, Dear Reader” is barely an exaggeration.
Can we get some details, Joanne? Exactly HOW fat and gross was he?
"Think of the children!" Well I do... And I don't want any queer children to think that something is wrong with them anymore, so I fight for LGBTQ rights
@@MrBruh-yb9qi I remember growing up and thinking I was weird and strange and "not normal". I remember breaking down in my room crying because I realized I can't love guys. I remember having panick attacks because I found out I was a lesbian. There was no representation in media that would have shown me that it's ok and that I'm a normal human being. I know A LOT of young people commit suicide because of their gender and sexuality. But if you saying that what I and so many other people fight for is "poison", than I don't think you really care about children. The only thing you care about is yourself. Having happy children is less important to you, than yout believes.
And I know, you will be making homophobic comments to me now. And I know I can't change your mind. But I don't really care. I just want you to know, that the real "poison" that's been given to children is from people like you
Don't listen to Ivan, he's been spamming comments like yours with that crap because he's a troll.
@@aryanpatel4682 A trans kid would still beat you in a fight
@@aryanpatel4682 yeah, we sure are different. Nothing says 'love' like denying trans youth their identity and insisting they conform to your expectations of them, you sad sad pathetic loser
I will never show a child any of these films oh my gosh. Unforgivable. I can imagine how much that would hurt to experience, it feels like being bullied, it feels like being assaulted, and I am an adult with context and thicker armour, not a growing child with no armour at all. The constant and consistently unpleasant parade of the same vomit "gag", heartbreaking history. I'm almost grateful their One Joke evolved into the Attack Helicopter if it meant dropping that emetophobic train wreck.
Hey Lindsey, just wanna give you some support. Sorry the Twitter mob attacked you. Hope you can keep making videos and making commentary.
what happened?
Yes what happened?
@@monicaenglish2566 she made a comment about the story structure of Raya the last dragon being similar to avatar the last air bender and people somehow took that as anti-asian hatespeech.
@@queenrayne1338 Wild, other people have made that connection before her.
I think your decision to "cancel" twitter and get off that platform is a good one!!!!!
I never noticed how much they reused the trans panick puking joke. Jesus it's ridiculous.
Yeah..... and I really liked some of those moments at the time.... looks like I’m succeeding at being better than past me, but it’s still weird looking back at who I was not too long ago.
I remember seeing these when I was little and just being, confused
It's also in at least one Leisure Suit Larry game. You know, the games about the sleazeball who lies, wears costumes and tricks women into sleeping with him.
I enjoy these self reflective moments of times. We all have stories of growing up in where we played "cowboys and Indians" or slang terms we used in highschool. Understanding other peoples view points and trauma don't make you a snowflake it makes you a decent human being. We can still look at these old movies with the glasses of the times but with a understanding of the present. I like the disclaimers put on shows/movies they are doing now.
I watched Ace Ventura a dozen times when I was a kid and I just thought that was some legit fruit in her underwear. None of it made sense.
"Huh, she's gone the whole video withou-"
"LIKE THE PHANTOM"
"Ah. There it is."
I always thought Disney was Lindsey's trend... Apparently I need to dig a little deeper into her back catalogue
She obviously mentioned it as a quick joke but it made me happy all the same. 😁
"if the mere sight of a penis upsets you THAT MUCH how do you live with yourselves" i really needed that after all the psychic damage i had taken thanks
Considering the number of freakishly stupid men that think touching your own rear end makes you gay...I'd imagine, "That's the neat part; they don't."
@@MsDudette21 why are you bringing up sexual assault ??? that has nothing to do with my comment . my comment was about ragging on overused transphobic jokes 😭😭 anyways, no men are going into women's bathrooms... and do you want to ban all children from public restrooms forever? that's what it sounds like. what do children accidentally seeing genitalia because they went into a public bathroom have to do with any of this . do you plan to sort people by genitals? you can't tell what sort of junk a person's got unless you strip them naked... what, do you want to enforce mandatory genital checks for EVERYBODY before someone uses the bathroom???? 😭 that would be so unnecessary and violating! and if you DON'T wanna use genital checks, that means you want to judge people by how masculine/feminine they are.... which singles out masculine cis women and feminine cis men too, not just trans people! there have been cis women who have been mistaken for trans women and harassed for using the women's restroom because somebody thought they "weren't feminine enough". trying to exclude trans women from women-only spaces hurts cis women too, and the people who do the hurting are people like you.
@@MsDudette21 anyways, don't bother responding after this. i'm going to block you now, because this is the maximum amount of my time and energy i'm willing to spend on arguing with a person who probably won't listen to anything i say.
@@MsDudette21 wait i think i get what you were trying to say. the youtuber says "how can you live with yourselves" after a montage of jokes about cis men being disgusted by the sight of trans women's penises. by this, the youtuber means "how are these cis men coping with being alive if they can't stand the sight of another person's dick", the joke being that cis men also have dicks. the montage of jokes was transphobic and pretty mentally draining to watch, so the youtuber's snark was a very welcome respite from it. k that's all, bye bye 👋
I love how The Daily Mail is given a content warning. And it totally deserves it.
The Daily Hell
Um, do people not realize sexual assault in a bathroom is illegal regardless of the gender of the people involved?
right??? also, ~90% of sexual assault victims are assaulted by an intimate partner or an acquaintance
@@GREATESTALLY I understand that, I'm not trying to say there can't be gendered bathrooms. The point I'm trying to make is that peeping on someone and sexual assault isn't any less illegal regardless of it's a man, woman, or someone who's transgender.
If someone did a sexual assault crime in the bathroom and then tried to say "Well I'm transgender." It wouldn't make it any less illegal and they wouldn't be any less in trouble.
@Cory Muro Haha right!? I see a woman with her son in the woman's restroom the majority of times I'm using public restrooms.
@@GREATESTALLY Um, do people not realize how weird it is to care so much about what's inside the pants of strangers taking a piss in a public restroom?
@@GREATESTALLY You know, maybe every person would love the whole bathroom just for themselves and with no people of same and other gender in there, but sometimes a small inconvenience to yourself to the benefit of others at large isn't so bad?
The advantage would be shorter paths to bathrooms. Because fuck looking for a loo, finding just the men's ones, and then circling all the way around the building to find the "correct" one. And you know maybe men have it super extra urgent sometimes too? IDK.
I think there should be at the very least a rule, that in the case of urgent emergency, you can go to any bathroom that you happen to find... and i mean in case of public bathrooms, odds are, you're not going there super voluntarily anyway.
"trans panic puke walked so attack helicopter could fly" Amazing line
Your profile picture is absolutely amazing
@@Theracooninyourbasement Since you pointed it out, I have to give you and the Op a like.
Steamed hams?
@@amazingabby25 Yes, its a regional dialect.
@@amazingabby25 Old family recipe
i guess England truly *is* TERF island if the BBC can award JoJo's Bizarre Bigotry acclaim for her essays
“Jojo’s Bizarre Bigotry” Lmao
this made me snort
I come from the future: it IS TERF island and BBC it's just transphobic af
We're the conservative bible belt of western europe essentially. Pray for us.
@@Rynewulf At least you’re not as bad as America… I guess?
To quote Natalie in her video on cancelling, "Stay strong sister, don't let the bastards get you down!"
@Anti-Woke God
You seriously don’t know who Natalie is?
Can we address the whole “someone legit thought ‘death of the author’ meant people literally wanted to kill Joanne” thing? Because I’m not done laughing about that
Ten flies went in my mouth cuz it was open so long in disbelief at that. Eventually a horrified half laugh popped out.
People be dumb
That's not what the message said though. They thought Ellis misconstrued what JKR said, and asked how she'd feel if they misconstrued her "death of the author" video the same way.
That point is moot, because Lindsay Ellis quite accurately interpreted what JKR said... But I think we need to address that, what they actually said, or we'll come off as wilfully misunderstanding them.
@@geckovonparsley8200 Fair. It was a good laugh, though.
Shoutout to the patron who listed themselves as "Addison Cain"
I hope they're prepared for a DCMA claim for the use of their name!
@@olly123451 Read in Jenny’s voice: “I was viciously, perniciously, and maliciously impersonated by an anonymous patreon impostor in the credits of a video by the slanderous Lindsay Ellis, and my legal team is fully prepared to fight this in court!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
“To WHom It MAy cOnCErn” lol XD
YESSS OMG
@@olly123451 With PREJUDICE!
all I've ever seen come out of this discussion from the reactionaries is "but because there is a 0.0001% chance someone could abuse this we need to prevent it from happening at all"
Which honestly if we went by that rule we'd never do a lot of things.
The use of singular tran is seriously underrated. It is very fun
"Think of the children"
When I was a child I was terrified my dad would AT BEST never talk to me again if I came out.
I'm going through that very situation right now except it's me being bi :'D. I get so happy when any LGBTQ+ rep happens inside media
That's kind of the irony isn't it? As a person who works with young people, I care about trans rights specifically because I "care about the children". Watching people I care about suffer is why this is such a big issue to me. I hope everything has worked out for you.
@@SamSullyV It really is, everytime I hear that argument I automatically think of the trans children honestly lol. And yeah everything worked out. :)
@@alianar.d.8724 Sorry to hear you're in a bad spot, I've been there too. I wish you the best.
"Think of the children" people are only thinking about themselves. Probably they don't even see children as people who can understand concepts but as props or even wrost, extensions of themselves.
Anyway... it's a tough world from day 1 for those of us who are wrong for just existing (wrong for some people's perspectives I mean LOL)
I love how we have Jenny Nicholson doing more voice acting
Agreed!
Back to her Friendship is Witchcraft roots
Her "Billionaire British Karen" is spot on
I'm ten minutes in and it just clicked for me that Jenny is Joanne and I was like she's back!!! her Karen impressions really are unmatched
It's the superhero teamup we need.
I am honestly SHOCKED by the amount of "guy vomits violently after learning ex lover is trans" that exists... what the actual fuck
What should the reaction be?
@@artistfloor9 Not into what?
I agree. It starts to look manufactured/done intentionally... The question is WHY. I have a few ideas.
He doesn't vomit because someone is trans but because he does not like penises.
after having saw various mens faces after having told them I'm trans...its obviously greatly exagerated...but the whole vomiting thing is pretty apt to most reactions. I understand it, some people just don't like the sausage. But for someone to seem super into you then suddenly disgusted because of something you have little control over...its a literal kick in the nuts, pardon the pun
As a trans person who hadn’t seen any of those movies … wow. I liked it better under the rock I was living under
Does JK not remember when she had harry hanging out in the girls toilets. he got in there just fine without "pretending to be a woman" Like sinister men can already go into the bathroom the only barrier is social.
If I recall correctly, it was a disused girls toilet due to it being haunted. This is why Hermione suggested hiding their potion-making there.
Yeah, but that was also the same bathroom where 50 years a boy entered and murdered a little girl.
Also, women can threaten women, too. In fact, now that this is becoming a thing, I’m more worried about a woman trying to break down my stall door demanding to see proof that I’m a woman.
Yes this is what I have been wondering (in general not the HP so much.) There is nothing stopping anyone now, and I have not yet been asked for any 'gender certificates' - in my country you can also change your ID gender by asking as well, no 'proof' needed. But what does that have to do with going to the toilet??
@@TulilaSalome It’s this idea that women’s bathrooms are sacred and perverts want to get in and leer at their privates. Never mind that gender-neutral bathrooms exist without issue and that there’s stalls offering more privacy and it’s inappropriate to barge into a stall someone is using regardless of gender.
"Think of the children" and "protect the children" roughly translates to "how can we maintain the status quo if children know that (insert marginalized category here) people are people?!"
those damn babies
When they talk about that, I think what they fear most is people they care about - their children in particular - being outcast from straight, cis, society. However, instead of managing to realise that the society itself is the problem for trying to pretend these people don't exist, or are 'mislead', or are 'evil', they are more willing to blame those brave enough to stand out for causing the social divisions that were once apparently implicit to become explicit. Of course, they were never implicit in the first place, such movements were just so thoroughly under the boot of hetero and cis normativity that you could ignore them if you tried hard enough.
They fear the 'change', of gay and trans activists propagating a culture war against straight cis people as retaliation for the one carried out against them for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Through this lens, they see things like pride marches and media representation as challenges to be met against, hence the straight pride parades, or the accusations of over-representation. They seem to be under the impression that these are efforts to force straight, cis people out of the streets and off television, and the aforementioned responses are often carried out with the explicit aim of doing the same to LGBTQ+ people. This is also why they accuse institutions of 'special treatment' and hypocriscy when they get into trouble for spewing hateful bile, because their victim complexes are such that LGBTQ+ people existing in public is a threat to their own existence.
Most of all they, fear that these changes could estrange them from their children, who they see as their legacy. Never once do they realise that if they have the misfortune of bearing any closeted LGBTQ+ children, or even just children who are better, kinder souls than them, then they have already estranged them through their own bigotry.
Which is why I'm utterly ecstatic about there being so much positive LGBT representation in children's and family media these days, let's keep it coming and hope for more!
this is the best way i’ve ever seen it put!
@@strategghost1270 except the foster system has a direct effect on kids, which could be detrimental, whereas gender and sexual education and representation won't hurt anyone ??? those two things don't even correlate. _where is the point?_
"Think of the children."
Me, a trans kid: "..."
*"THINK OF THE WHITE CIS HET CHILDREN!!"*
Ps: love your pfp
absolutely obsessed with jenny's completely insane british accent
"Trans panic puked walked, so attack helicopter could fly." I would wear that one a shirt.
Same
And then Apache attack Helicopter flew so 'it's ma'am" could plummet into the ground
new feud merch when?
She puts the "Me" in "Meme"!!!
Now I'm imagining a vomit-soaked Apache flying around messily like a drunk mosquito.
"Think of the children"
Yes, think of the children like mine who never see any representation of our family in children's books or shows. Who will be teased and discriminated against because they have two mom's, one of whom is trans. So yes, please think of the children who just want to see their family represented in the books and shows they love.
Yes, thank you!
Those "think of the children" people seem to really say "think about a group of fictitious children that I believe are the most important".
@@edwardmcmanus I believe they mean with one of those mums/moms being trans. That’s much less common.
No, not _those_ children. Think of the children who would be traumatized by your children being accepted, somehow! I'm sure they exist!
@@edwardmcmanus in shows for older children, it is definitely becoming more and more common, but in shows for young children and toddlers it is still almost unheard of.
Or me as a child already questioning my gender identity because I didn't feel like other girls
This is a Lindsay Ellis appreciation post ☺
Here to be part of the fanclub.
Fuck yeah
I love how in all of this, there's a nonstop undercurrent of humor, this undying, eye-rolling satire that continually begs the audience to question 'why it's even necessary to have these discussions, I mean what is this, the 1950's?' It's great.
Having to hide the charity you will be donating to because of a Fanfic Author's vengeance and litigious nature. This scenario seems like a fever dream.
God 2020 was /wild/.
That sounds like a good fanfic
@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 I was just about to write that!!! That's a great story to write about. The hero who has to hide their charity because evil corporate writer Madis... I mean, random baddie wants to sue everything you love
The fan fiction deep state is thick.
@@dleopardxlswondrousmusings9053 Thick with 3 Qs
Y'know, in hindsight, I don't think it was a coincidence she decided to make the Dursely clan obese
Yep. Apparently, Joanne also hates fat people. I used to LOVE Harry Potter, but it's apparent that J.K. Rowling only likes thin, cis-het, white people.
Dudley didn’t become “good” until he’d leaned out a bit in the last book and apologized to Harry.
Which leaves some real unpleasant implications behind two-thirds of the protagonists being pro-slavery and mocking abolition. How much in that book wasn't a coincidence?
@@h00pla434 It gets even worse when you realize that Hermione's anti-slavery stance is effectively her only trait that isn't related to helping Harry in some way.
@@verdantbasilisk7561 not to mention the house elves didn’t want to be saved and were happy to continue being servants.
rewatching this and: thank you for keeping in so many of hbomb's incredulous comments because when he said "WE GET IT JOANNE YOU HATE POOR PEOPLE" i Really Felt That
Is it me or did the BBC panel who awarded Rowling for her 'essay' just went on name recognition? Swear this is the longest shit post I've seen and if they actually read all 900 pages surely they'd get the memo
"We can't be together because I'm a man!"
"Nobody's perfect."
Love that movie!
That still makes me laugh.
It’s kinda sweet? I love it?
... I think I have to see that film now.
Woke AF
In Britain at least, long ago, 'think of the mixed race children being bullied in the playground,' was used as an argument against mixed race marriage.
We are a stupid species
That is literally what my mother told me when I asked her about dating black guys when I was a young, impressionable Millennial child. At least I could smell the bullsh*t even then, I knew first hand that kids don't need a reason to bully other kids.
Isn't that just tragic martyr conservative Christian style shit? It's so obvious they're death cultists. They think being dead is better than being mixed race or poor or trans or autistic or anything other than """normal""".
@@FelisImpurrator -- SIIIIIIIIGH, yeaaaaah.
A Quaker friend of mine has a lovely rant about that. It boils down to the fact there is a huge element among conservative Evangelicals who are just *aching* to be persecuted and they're just... *not.*
What's happening is that said conservative Evangelicals act like a-holes and are *shocked,* *shocked* when they get pushback -- which they then perceive as persecution. So they double-down. And then we sane Christians say, "You're not being persecuted, you're acting like an a-hole and being treated like one. Stop being a Bad Witness."
@@jen4k2 I was evangelical-curious in high school and looking back I realize that being like Jesus and focusing on how Jesus and the apostles were persecuted was a big part of it. I don't remember anyone explicitly saying "we are being persecuted," but the desire to be the underdog was there.
This was such a small thing but in one of the other Strike books (I can’t remember which one) I was really thrown off by a comment about a character who was deemed unhygienic because they had a bit of a mascara gloop in their eye. It was just really judgemental and totally took me out of the story. It reminded me of some of the things my abusive ex used to say when pointing out my many flaws. Sometimes your eyes water, or you get something stuck in them, or a bit of sleep gets dislodged, doesn’t mean you’re unhygienic. It was very small but it’s stuck with me.
Hell, sometimes you only have the lumpy mascara in your makeup bag and you're making sure.
Hearing hbomb say "scarlet" and "Irene" gave me flashbacks to the Sherlock video.
That's the first hbomb video I've ever seen, and by now I have watched it disgustingly often. Like, a genuinely unhealthy amount of times.
And Irene discovers that...a fucking BOOMERANG did it.
Jenny Nicholson as every author.
Convinced me
She has the perfect voice
HBomb as "French Narrator"
Only the evil ones
Yes please
Joanne is so obsessed with girls getting attacked in public bathrooms she recycled it for both Hermione and Myrtle.
Some people really have a thing for public terlets. For some reason. Like it's a...fetish, or something.
now that you say it.... damn
@@Corbomite_Meatballs maybe shes so preoccupied with it cuz shes the pervert (sips tea) jk jk thats a real stretch but no less than shes stretched to make her "points"
spot on 😰
It's sad if t was her that had that bad experience and is trying to resolve it
Yikesily ironic for the manufactured feud with Contrapoints to begin just a month before the surprisingly effective & bad-faith vitriolic canceling of Lindsay.
Much love to both of you ladies & I hope to consume content from both of you soon & long into the future.
I had to look up what cancelling you were talking about because i missed that whole thing and wtf....that's the dumbest reason ive ever seen anyone get cancelled for. whats wrong with people sheesh
@@bookXbat I suspect her detractors came about from a combination of poor reading comprehension, & small toxic spheres of socialization. 😆
Lindsay you did nothing wrong by comparing ATLA to Raya. Honest trailers did the exact same thing in their trailer. Making such an obvious comparison does not make you racist and if anyone was seriously offended by your post, they are part of the problem, not you. Do not apologize. Do not bow down to the twitter mob.
Wokescolds will do anything to be crabs in a bucket.
I can totally see how Asian-Pacific Islander folks were reminded of the "all Asians are the same" stigma, but so much of the drama feels like people were just waiting for the chance to attack regardless of context.
@@pinkcupcake4717 Yep. That and "all Asians are the same" is not at all what Lindsay said and you would have to be a moron to think otherwise.
@@mikoaj5002 You do kinda have a point there, but I think that has more to do with the ubiquity of Atla in how it was many peoples first in this sort of, growing Chinese aesthetic animation. Unless you're really looking into animation produced from Chinese sources, it makes sense that the first thing you think of is, well, the cartoon that still gets fawned over 14 years later. In your own example, if a kid who was rather apathetic to learning about jazz thought that Benjamin Franklyn slapped, and then had that door open to them, that will color their perception, right?
Came for the education, stayed for Jenny’s impersonation of Joanne
exactly
Jenny’s pretty good at impersonating unhinged authors. It’s...it’s a pattern.
(Laughs in Addison Cain, gets sued while laughing)
@@theocean1973 You might say that she is very good at delivering lines ... with prejudice.
She really needs to do voice work or read audiobooks or something. She's really good at it.
@@Eviltwin531 She did do some voice work before, although in a less than official manner (cough cough friendship is witchcraft cough cough)
I love the notion of “think of the children” because yeah dude, that’s literally why I want to normalize talking to kids about LGBT+ people. Because I think its good for them.
Thats basically what Iv done with my little sister. Im straight and for a few years now have given small nudges to her on the topic of gay and trans people. Yeah you could walk up and say "they are regular people just like you and me" but Idk if that actually resonates with them so instead we'll be watching cartoons and if a character was queer Id nonchalantly point it out such as the teacher Mr Simmons on Hey Arnold and its now to the point where to her it is normal
I hate the concept of think of the children. As if there aren't LGBT+ kids. As if I weren't one of them. As if we should keep kids feeling confused and dirty for who they are.
as a kid i didnt care that one of my friends had two moms, and honestly i thought it was pretty cool، what people seem to forget is that kids don't really care about stuff like this, the concept of boys liking girls us just as weird to them as boys liking boys or girls liking girls lmao. As long as your parents say its nornal you just nod and keep playing with your friends :)
Amen basically
Exactly! I went to school shortly after Section 28 (made it illegal to talk about LGBT+ positively in schools) was repealed so didn't get that education as it wasn't part of the curriculum. When I realised I was bi, I did my absolute best to make sure my brother and sister were properly educated on this stuff, even if they did also learn about it in schools as we're well past the time that was repealed and it's now been worked into the curriculum
Is it just me, or does JK Rowling really glorify the Not Like Other Girls concept?
Yup, she's misogynistic as fuck.
Just here to voice my support, Lindsay makes great content, and flourishes when she gets the time and space to be nuanced and explore a topic in full. I hope you are able to take care of yourself!
"Think of the Children"
The Children: If I come out to my family they will at best kick me out
Oof
That's fucking well put that! Nothing get's me as furious as that fucking "think of the children"
They think of the children exactly for that period, that the children don't act in a way they do not approve... I could scream every time I hear this phrase
Do any of you have children?
@@MrTravisCS What does that have to do with wether or not I hate the term "think of the children". You could ask the people using this term. Like you could ask "what children specificly?"
"Silence of the Lambs, like Psycho before it, has the problem of being one of the best movies ever made..." is the most painfully true thing I've heard in a while
Hitch at least was born in 1899, and lambs even was a product of it's time. It's hard to defend the vomit scenes in ace ventura, and even later in family guy.
@@claytonberg721 Family Guy is also just a generally awful and derivative show, while Psycho and Lambs are both masterful thrillers that, for all their problems, still deserve recognition as hugely important to film history. That same influence can't be found in Family Guy.
@@rangerkasdorf4476 Oh but you can find the influence in Family Guy, in the heaps of shitty, even more derivative animated sitcoms.
@@claytonberg721 It's sooo hard to defend the scenes in Ace Ventura, yet I sooo laughed at the cinema. It was a joke aimed at cis men before we knew what that even meant. Don't judge us too harshly.
@@claytonberg721 I learnt of the song "Crying Game" from Ace Ventura, and it is still on my playlist. Really sad they used it the way they did - as a questionable homage - to the movie it was from. I've never seen it, but Lindsey seemed to give it an "A for effort", despite creating the vomiting schtick. And still...the Ace Ventura and the Naked Gun scenes made me laugh, which makes me feel a little uneasy and guilty.
The discussion of how Buffy Bill’s behaviour has been folded into the popular understanding of trans people- despite the fact that it is pointed out that he is not a trans woman- reminds me of how Megan Fox’s Transformers character is remembered as fan service, even though on paper she is an intelligent brave mechanic who pretty much solves the movie for LeBouef. (This is from Lindsay’s video on the male gaze in transformers)
As an actual, real life, non-predatory trans woman: I approve of this video.
This is the first time i see “do not google” on screen and actually heed it.
I did.
*I'm Boo Boo The Fool*
@@Eviltwin531 me neither, but I'm pretty much desensitized to these sorts of stuff thanks to edgy friends showing me stuff from liveleak from like 14 and I really don't know what I should be thinking about it
I have a morbid curiosity
@@lulucanpy3513 Objectively, they're not too horrible (I mean, it looks like a piece of old leather in the shape of a face. Think of the Michael Myers Halloween mask,) I think it's mostly knowing *where* they came from that make it really unsettling.
@@Eviltwin531 I haven't actually done it yet so thanks for the head's up :)
"Scoop up the woke cookies" hasn't she been doing that for years, with the whole gay Dumbledore and black Hermione?
That's the magic of *~fake allies~*
It looks like an obvious case of projection lmao 😂
The "black Hermione" thing has been taken out of context tbh. She never said Hermione was meant to be black, just that she supports a black actress playing her on stage,
@@junjunjamore7735 nah, she explicitly said that "white skin was never specified" (spoilers, she did). Like I'm not defending the racists who got mad over the existence of a black woman, but to claim that was always her intention is disingenuous af, specially considering every other black character is very specifically described as being black
@@cariander 1) I’m pretty sure there was one line in the entire series that said she was pale 2) the point the other person made was that JKR supported the casting, not that JKR always pictured Hermione as black
Absolutely shocked that family guys trans joke was derivative and outdated, unlike every other joke they tell.
Lindsay told that it wasn't long time ago when people used children as argument in the issue of the same-gender marriage.
I live in Russia and people still use this argument here.
No doubt it's used in Hungary, Poland, Uganda, China, Florida too.
I find it fascinating that the woman who is so concerned with “female erasure” wrote her novel under a male pen name. Hell the pseudonym she’s so well known for writing under that’s its practically become her name is essentially gender neutral. And she made it that way so her book would appeal to more audiences. Its just mind boggling really.
She's literally a misogynist 😂
Another self....loathing?
So it's not an unnatural fear of hydrogenated oil food products?
The gender neutral name J.K. Rowling was originally her publisher's idea. I think that we should then blame the publishers for pushing this idea that "oh, yeah, I'll publish you, but no boy would buy a book by a woman so please use your initials."
I wouldn't blame any other female writer if they were pushed to do the same thing.
Contrapoints made this exact observation
While it smacks of hypocrisy, it’s hard to fault her or any individual author for doing this. It sucks, but one author alone cannot hope to overturn this cultural issue, so her using her real name would serve only to hurt the exposure of her work without benefitting anyone in any measurable way.
She could get street cred for keeping it real with her name, but in the words/lyrics of Boston’s infamous Kings of Nuthin’: no one hands out medals for keeping it real, they don’t know what it means and they don’t care how you feel”
I love Hbomberguy's little introjections of disgust. He's really voicing what we're all thinking
his passionate "whAT the FUCK" cracks me up
HE TELLS IT LIKE IT IS
HBomberguy, Everyman. ... and... every not-man. Not EVERY man but still every man.
Love you Lindsay, your videos have helped me critically analyze films n shows. And find a passion for films in general that I couldn’t articulate a few years back!!! That’s a super valuable thing imo.
Yes, this! Same here!! 😁
I'm very thankful for Lindsay Ellis (and Angelina, hi!), her videos have been eye-opening in many opportunities and also very entertaining, they have been of great helo during the dark times of my life and have made me very happy.
I love JK Rowling's bit about "if i had fallen in with the wrong crowd, i could have been persuaded to transition."
It reminds me of when i was a homeschooled teenager and used to say, "If it wasn't for Jesus, i would be gay."
Turns out, it wasn't Jesus, i was just repressing the hell out of my sexuality.
Ugh, sorry to hear you had to go through that bullcrap. Glad you're here now.
In J.K.'s case it reminds me of that age-old scare "We can't let young impressionable kids hang out with gay people because then they'll turn them gay", like being gay or being trans is something you can be talked into like a cult or a pyramid scheme.
I'm sorry buddy! That sucks🥺😔
Thankfully I wasn't with the wrong crowd, I never went to church
That always makes me think that she's saying she'd like to transition.
Basically Rowling using her own self-loathing for being a woman as an excuse for promoting anti-trans legislation. Kinda interesting in this regard that she used to leave her gender vague by just using J.K. in her first series of novels and afterwards posing as a man for her second series of novels.
“trans panic puke walked so attack helicopter could run”
@@JazzStation95 To be fair it's not exactly a well regarded fetish outside of that sphere, in my experience.
@@JazzStation95 Okay I'm lowkey getting kinkshame vibes here which is uncool IMO. Engagement with futanari content varies quite a lot, I've talked to guys who said futanari porn was gay unless it was 1 futa and 1 chick of the non-dick variety. Like, if a guy did the "trans panic puking" thing, responding with, "But you fap to futa porn!" seems super unproductive to me.
All that said, "trans panic puke" is a million times worse than the attack helicopter joke and the world is much better without it, just wish it had happened sooner so I wasn't exposed to it as a kid so much.
@@JazzStation95 Pretty sure it was the writers' way of establishing for the audience how totally-not-gay-in-any-way they were.
@@Thutil idk anything about hentai so i won’t comment on that but both “jokes” suck really hard and diminish trans identities as just that: jokes. i wouldn’t necessarily say that one is worse than the other because they are both super harmful
@@Thutil man, get over yourself lol
well now at least you and contrapoints can have a feud about cancel culture videos?
Lindsay I just wanted to say, your videos and you have always been an inspiration to me. Your humor and your intelligence gave me hope and guidance, and you and the people on here like Contra gave me the courage to finally come out to my parents and confront them. Stay strong and stay proud, Lindsay.
You know what would make me feel safer in bathrooms? Stall walls and doors that go all the way to the floor and don't have inch wide gaps where they "meet".
Restrooms are already like that in Europe. :/
PREACH it! The walls of the stalls at the movie theater near me are _so_ short, I won't go to the bathroom there. The one time I did, I felt like people could see my thighs on the toilet--they're THAT high. I'd rather hold it 'til I get home!
@@neurosin Well lucky Europe.
Thank you! It’s weird that bathrooms and locker rooms arnt private at all. People have a problem with trans people even being in the same room as them but are fine butt-naked in a locker room full of cispeople or peeing in a urinal next to another cisman.
I've seen a bathroom designed by someone who was desperately hoping that tall people would never use it, and that people of average height would just see the top of someone's head in the stall and decide not to stand closer.
Someone should've told them that making eye contact with someone currently taking a dump while waiting for a stall doesn't make using the stall more appealing to use.
Lindsay: I've got no skin in the game...
Ed Gein has left the chat
This joke is underrated!
This was a rough one to sit through, not because of you but because of the movie clips and such. I put it off for a while, knowing it would be so - but it's good to know the minds and tactics of the transphobic (and clearly just disgustingly sexist) freaks out there like rowling. Thank you for both being an ally, Lindsay, and for the informative video.
I'd like to add Candis Cayne, who plays Mrs Hudson on Elementary. Trans woman, playing a trans woman. It's brought up a couple times and then she's just a character.
Also, when they say "think of the children" I ask if they ever think of the trans kids who face a significantly higher victim and suicide rate than cis. Yeah, they need to think of the children.