Making a New Tool holder For The Vertical Shaper - Shop Made Tool - Manual Machining
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The Morey Vertical Shaper/Slotter is by far one of my favorite machines to run. Unfortunately, when I bought it there was no tooling to go with it. I have made all of the tooling for each application, but now I need to make the new tool holder.
The job i need to do, cannot be done with the current tool holder, so I need to make a whole new one. As this is for steady repeat work, it is something I seriously need to address. In fact, the customer for the parts, purchased the material to make this new holder. There is an extreme shortage of machinists and machines to handle long internal keyways.
Starting with a 6" Square block of 1045, watch as I whittle it down to what is needed. Starting on the Lion Lathe, moving to the Monarch lathe, then the Lucas Horizontal Boring Mill, and finishing it up on the Carlton Radial Arm Drill.
Stay tuned for part 2 of this built, and for future videos of cutting the keyways with the new holder.
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After cutting that big chamfer with the brutal interrupted cut - "that looks pretty nice". Pretty nice, my rosy pink keister! That is gorgeous!
I was so happy it came out like it did. Spend $1000 on a chunk of steel, it better come out perfect.
...a KEISTER is a suitcase that is used by street peddlers.
These peddlers were greatly resented by the established merchants, because these street peddlers didn't pay rent, or taxes, or utilities like the established merchants had to do- and that's where the expression: "getting thrown out on [their] keister" originated...
How good that you have your shop. You can make all tools you need , so we see. Greetings from Germany.
....it's nice to be self-sufficient...
Beautiful piece.
Yeah that anchor Lube is very good stuff you'll be thoroughly impressed with it
That looks fantastic Josh! The last bit of rounding the corners that didn't clean up really made the difference in that part. One mark of a professional is when your shop made tools look as good or better than ones you can purchase.
Thank you. I could have lived with the corners as they were, but it sure did improve the look. Since I have 25ish more years to use it, I better make it look good.
Nice tool. Love how quiet those Monarchs are. I wish my Sidney sounded like that.
Excellent project. Your machining and setups are well done with perfect camera angles and good lighting. I’ve used Anchor Lube for drilling and tapping 6M threaded holes in 3D printed Titanium so I can tell you it’s good stuff. Looking forward to seeing that big holder finished.
Very good looking tool older
Great video Josh
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26:50... what a wonderful sound.........great build, and threaded rod
sure save a lot of work turning and wasted material......
thanks for sharing with us Josh.....cheers, Paul
Been using Anchor Lube for a few years now, and very happy with it. Works really well on difficult metals like stainless and titanium. As others have mentioned, you just have to be mindful to keep containers closed when not in use, or it will dry out.
Jeff do you have any problem with the Anchor Lube building rust on the machine and parts. Due to it being water based . I had though of getting some but thats been the hold up on not getting it. I have found that chainsaw bar oil works great due to it being for high speed and heat resistance.
@@anthonycash4609 I've not had any issues with rust. It will make a light stain if you leave it there for prolonged periods of time. With it being as thick of a consistency, it can't really migrate under things like your vise, which is a plus to me. No smoke or smell either.
Iscar makes some great inserts for interrupted cuts.
For tapping my choise has always been rapid tap cutting fluid. Gives me the finish i like. Thanks for another good vid.
I usually use oil. Tap magic mostly. But I wanted to try Anchorlube.
Really nice work! Sounds like you were huffin' and puffin' a little putting that big scrapper in.
Been using Anchorlube for several years now....works great. The only thing different from oil based lubes is you can't leave it in an open container. It will dry to a green blob. I get the 1 gal container and use it with a Bruch in a no-spill container.
Certainly better than Whale Oil and Tallow to use, always difficult to get rid of the smell.
Nicely done as always Josh.
Thanks for sharing
I wish I could get some whale oil.
Thanks for sharing.
Man, you've got some damn excellent videos going on. The videography is SEAMLESS.
Be careful or you'll end up like Curtis and Karen from CEE one day...
I hope to surpass him. Sadly, there are many other channels out there that are just as good or far better machinists but never catch the algorithm.
Great channel. Paul Brodie uses Anchor lube and has been for years.
Appreciate your machining style. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
A vernier caliper is precision for a carpenter doing roofing and any builder !😄
Sandvik was my choice of inserts way back in the 80s when I was running tracer lathes.
Great video Josh, I like the anchor lube but you need to clean up after use it will stain your tooling..
I figured that out right away.
I am a machinist and fabricator, we use anchorlube for a lot of drilling. The viscosity is handy for that. I would not recommend it for tapping, we use tap magic for cutting threads and that does a magical job.
gee thanks for that, I did a search for anchor lube on ebay... some things you can't unsee....
Lol. Who knew.
The anchorlube works great and since it's water based you can thin it if you want which I've done and works well you just have to keep it in an air tight container or the water will evaporate especially here in az when summer is routinely over 110 lol cool weather here is probably what y'all consider hot as hell 😵
You sure needed a four jaw chuck for that 123 pound block of steel.
Love to see how your new lathe handles the intermittent cut. Also wonderful to see the Monarch still earning it's keep. You have some beautiful machines in your shop.
Great video thanks for sharing
Here's a tip for you. Try wiping the Morse taper shank dry and spray a coating of dye penetrant developer onto it then drive it home! A light coat.
Thanks. I'll give it a try.
Fun watching you make a round part from square stock. You started out with about 120 pounds of square stock.
I was about to ask the approx weight of the original piece. Thanks!
Approximately 432 cubic inches of steel @ 0.2833 pounds per cubic inch = 122.3856 pounds@@The_DuMont_Network
...is that what's known as "cutting corners"-(?)
Nice job well done I'm retired now but I still got my own machine shop in my garage just wondering if you know where I can get a small shaper Rockwell atlas or Cincinnati something made in usa that is in good shape I have looked at a couple that were supposed to be good but you know how that is and mostly overpriced as is everything thanks love to see more of your work
I rarely hear of any in my region.
You know Josh, sometimes I really hate watching your videos because they just point out to me how long I've been putting off maintenance on some of my machines. Every time you go to a random machine in your shop I just think, "dang, that thing sounds smooth". I really don't appreciate you intentionally and maliciously pointing out my irresponsible laziness, good day sir.
Give Josh a break , he's doin the best he can. Keep at it Josh,
Lol. Thanks. Although, I have been putting off a major teardown of the boring mill. It desperately needs the feed box gone through. I just am afraid to start on it and be down for a while.
Now I don’t know all the parameters, but wouldn’t a shield of some sort be beneficial to keep the chips from bouncing onto the feed mechanism below the cutter? I know that in some cases it may interfere….but it seems like a piece of rubber or aluminum to form a slideway would protect the swirling bits being assaulted by swarf. Thoughts?
Anchorlube is FANTASTIC for tapping and drilling. Best stuff I've ever used, of course, keeping in mind I'm just a guy in his garage doing silly stuff, nothing professional. :) The only problem I've had with it is that it seems that it can freeze? And when it freezes, seems like it gets clumps in it?
After intermittent cuts ... if you can, without disrupting your finish dimensions, it is always a good idea to re-tighten the chuck when you get to round size. The impact loading forces tend to set the teeth deeper into the workpiece than you can with the chuck key and if you then need to do work without the tail stock, you may find that the workpiece is loose. I'm betting he did this and just didn't have it in the final video edit.
Some footage and secrets get cut. Never trust a chuck. I've roughed out parts and got the material hot, let it cool and the chuck slips
A thing of beauty! 👍👍 Would it have been more material and time efficient to weld on a stub rather than making lots of chips? Very smart to use a threaded rod.
Single piece is always going to be stronger.
Your comment on how that is a new machine so it should not have vibration got to me. You know machines of old won't have vibration despite being 100 years old. Machines of today will get vibration less than a year.
Assuming that's steam and not smoke from the Anchor lube since it's water based?
Yes, it was steam. Very impressive stuff. I'm looking forward to more uses for it.
MR TOPPLER,
THANK YOU FOR NICE VIDEO AS USUALL. ENJOYED SEEING MONARK, KINDA LIKE ATOM FROM ABOM79 USED TO HAVE ONE BEFORE HE SOLD SOUL TO DEVIL FOR CMC MACHINES.
MAY I OFFER SUGGESTIONS. WHEN PLAYING THE WAITING MUSIC LIKE WHEN YOU WERE INITAL TURNING SQUARE DOWN, COULD WE MAYBE GET SOME SOUTHERN GOSPEL ROCK INSTEAD OF CARNIVAL MUSIC???
THANKS BORTHER
GOD BLESS
KEEP UP GRATE VIDEOS!!
❤❤ but why is your horizontal mill so dang loud????? 😮😮😮😮
Bad bearing in the feed box. Major job to tear down, so I've been keeping a close eye on it. Looks like I may be tearing into it this winter.
So you didn’t make the claperbox that you say that don’t have , but actually you have 🤣🤣 did you use carbide for slotting ?
That clapper box is stuck tight. Haven't seen a need for it, but will eventually free it up. With these big Keyways I'm doing, I want it as rigid as possible. I run HSS and M42
@@TopperMachineLLC my is spring loaded, and is a pretty hard spring to press. I have a carbide tip sloting knife for like cnc. But I need to make a holder for it and hope I don’t break the expensive carbide on the first slut.
Love the machine work, not a real fan of the slow-mo stuff.
Machinists…..making square pegs fit in round holes. Whenever I watch machinists videos I am always amazed at how many machines you need to make the other machines more usable
First time I've seen someone indicate a square block in a lathe! Fascinating! [I'm a newbie]
Great to watch ! Josh is "da man"
...there was a first time for ALL of us...
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Abom and Keith Rucker use the Anchorlube.
Back in my day(yes, I'm old), I would have gone through quite a few tools with that intermittent cutting. The tips these days are magnificent
Nice job
hello josh it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks friends randy
Thanks for the video Josh well done with the new tool ❤❤it 👍. Take care of yourself and family and friends and be Blessed ❤️.
Films I enjoy MOST ! Watching the Toolmaker make tools that make tools to make tools. Poured a BIG mug of English tea for this one Watching from 32N64W.
Nice work! You will like anchor lube i use it alot. Blondie got me started on it. She GREAT.
Your video production quality is definitely going up. Nice project. Thanks
Glad you think so!
I enjoyed that video
always great stuff Josh......cheers on your 50K Subs.....Paul in Florida
Morning Josh,
Looks good !!! Gotta say my pucker factor was working overtime when you did the low speed interrupted big cuts...YI YI YI......I could feel those vibrations even over here. Those Sandvik inserts are impressive, I like em too but have recently switched to try some Palbit inserts, just as good so far and a tad less expensive. Hope you're not getting as much rain as we are here, albeit the woods sure can use it.
All the best,
Don
I wish we would get some rain. Everything is so dry. Lawn is dead again, pond is down almost 2 feet. Too dry. I just hope we don't get all that needed moisture this winter. I hate snow.
Speaking of Monarch, I live not too far south of their plant in Sydney Ohio. Went up there last fall to see if they are still in business. They're still making lathes as far as I know. We've got a couple of their lathes in the model shop where I work. Great machines. BTW, how are the new cameras working out for you? You ditch the GoPro all together?
Last time I talked to Monarch, they were buying back the old 10EE and doing full rebuilds. Last I heard, $120,000 each. They are a good machine, but I'd never pay that for such a small machine.
I am giving all of the gopros to a friend who is starting his channel. He does dirt track racing. I'm one of his sponsors. The gopros should work good for that. The DJI has been by far superior, and I'm considering their newest camera.
"LIKE" button has been torqued to the manufacturer's recommended specification. "CLICK".
God forbid you should be running around with a loose "LIKE" button !
Nice work. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎
When you milled the square portion, how did you reference the square faces to the round rotary spindle portion? Is it just relying on the setup of the square on the 4 jaw on the lathe?
I got that AnchorLube for tapping Brass/Bronze... Works great on SS too.
There are a lot of u tubers using anchor lube and all like it. Abom, Keith Rucker, Steve Summers, Joe Pie, Stan Z, and all who attend the bar Z bash.
You never say what insert you’re using. That would be helpful for us hobbyists. Nice job
19:47...does that mean, "you're getting it squared away"-(?)
That HAS to be murder on the cutting surface. I am astounded that the inserts take this pounding. I thought perhaps bandsawing the corners might help with time and the physical violence, but I guess that could lead to a dynamic imbalance.
You need a tapping head for your boring mil !
Interesting that the original had clearance issues
Not so much a clearance problem, as a stroke limiting problem.
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Anchor Lube works great for broaching too. Either key way broaching or rotary. Been using it for 5 years and I think your going to like it.
Looks like a very clear video
And now music !! 🎉
If i am not confused this is Bulgarian C11MT made for another company. Wonderful machine i have SU585 which is similar to this one, but older
Yes it is.
Good Stuff
How does the lube compare to cutting oil though? An entire pail of cutting oil is a couple hundred bucks.
So far in my testing it is better. Less cast off, no smoke, minimal smell. Probably safer to breathe
Good job.
I winced when you rounded square stock, PERFECT! Ray Stormont
Imagine how I felt. Lol
I’m not a machinist but I am puzzled about 1 thing, why do you clean up, face, from the outside in especially on square material, why not touch in the centre and then cut to the outside.
Facing from the center in is for amateurs. Outside it allows for bigger cuts and the chip goes away from the operator.
Anchor Lube will freeze and separate. Heated shop no problem
No problem with that here. I have to have heat.
This is another project where you could save time and material with a trepanning/boring tool.
I still see no need for it. Spend a ton of money on a tool that will only be good for a specific size and rarely get used. Then you save a chunk of something you may never use or would just be the wrong size for what you need. So that junk would go to recycling anyway.
What do you find is "normal" for backlash in the table of a 'Bridgeport' ?
I've seen as much as 0.135. It's still usable.
when I turn squares as a machinist I prefer to turn fast to minimize the time between cuts which allows the machine to bounce back and fourth and interact in that manner during the cutting process.
Depending on the size of the square. I don't see many jobs like this. Usually offset round shafts more than squares. Those are way easier.
I’ve been using anchor lube for a while it works great and is cheap
I tap on it all the time, I just wanted a faster option.
very nice, l have to ask, why not make a bar for the horizontal mill.
if all you can fin are bent ones.
Not worth my time to make one.
This was a cool project and it was good to see the machining steps in building the part, thanks
And as others have said ,the art of tool making is becoming a lost thong these days.
Yes it is. It is what I always enjoyed.
Joe Pie did a test on several lubes a year or two ago, Anchor seemed to do pretty well.
I like anchor lube, I also like KoolMist and tapmagic. The anchor is my go to for SS. It seems to prevent work hardening , or puts it off , you still have to push hard on the tooling to avoid rubbing.
Will it not turn?
No it doesn't. The other one never did and it wasn't attached.
Hi Josh in 1978 in High school i got a work permit and the time i worked they took out SS out of my check cant kids these days get work permits and possibly go toward his diploma . Man that's a big square chunk to round off. JM
That is basically what the Wisconsin Youth Apprenticeship is.
I should of asked why your Apprenticeship couldn't appear on you tube. JM
Making the complex look easy. Takes much hard work to do that.
Great content, love seeing the old tech being still used to do machine work. If you can't buy it, you will make it.
Always interesting seeing what you are doing with the variety of different videos on different jobs. Making your own tools or tool holders is definitely a cost saving measure, not to mention making custom tools that just aren't available to buy or making tools for old machines that are no longer stocked.
Interrupted cuts are hard on the machine and the tool bits!
It is a necessary evil.
Yes it is!@@TopperMachineLLC
How’s the camera working out? I’m digging the shots btw.
Loving the DJI camera. Light years better than the GoPro. Actually considering buying another.
Loving the DJI camera. Light years better than the GoPro. Actually considering buying another.
@@TopperMachineLLC Oh sweet!
Great Job JT!
I enjoy watching your channel and your work. Much better since you have your audio problems solved!
That was a battle
I’ve been using Anchor Lube for a while. I really like it’s performance 23:35
I am impressed so far with it.
Looks great Josh, thank you for uploading! 👍👍
I have a feeling you're going to like that Anchorlube, it's some good stuff.
So far I'm impressed
Hello Josh. I just wondered if you heat treat parts like you made here or will it be an overkill? Enjoying your content. Thank you.
No need to heat treat this. The cutter bars are always made from 4140 Prehard, and hold up beautifully
Great project Josh, fun to watch the progress and use the different tools in the shop. Q. Why not bolt the gear down? It appears the object of the pair of these gears is to add rigidity and adjustment but with the bottom one loose and free to rotate allow for unwanted movement? Just curious.
Thanks for sharing.
I haven't seen it move yet, so I wasn't worried. Eventually I will make another gear and bolt them both down.