Ariel Helwani, Chael Sonnen Clash Over Francis Ngannou Pay | The MMA Hour
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2023
- Chael Sonnen discusses the Fury vs. Ngannou clash, how much Francis Ngannou really made, what could be next for Ngannou, and more.
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It's very sad and pathetic to watch Ariel tell a badass MMA fighter over the internet to "Grow a pair" and "Say it to my face." I cringed so hard.
Say it to my face is a little much yeah but usually most normal people resolve arguments and disputes with their mouthes not their fists and legs and wrestling skills. We aren’t lions, tigers, bears etc. We have the ability to discuss our problems and not use violence
@eaglewinnings8003 when you tell someone to have the balls to say it to your face, you're implying that they lack courage and feel a physical threat from you. Which is of course hilarious in this situation.
Can’t wait to see it
@@alexanderhayward8505 yeah, and I think Ariel backed off some after that but just because someone is a professional fighter and you’re a journalist doesn’t give the former the right to call you all kinds of names, insult you and just keep doing it non stop.
Ariel finally lost it for a second and said what he said but Chael definitely crossed multiple lines
Ariel needs a slap to put him in place but of course like the man he is will run with his big pair strait ti the police
Imagine telling "grow a pair" to a man who has fought Jon Jones, Fedor Emelianenko, Anderson Silva twice, Bisping, Shogun Rua, Wanderlei Silva, etc etc...
While on steroids bud
@@CoventryBrown-kw5iv u wouldn't fight any of them if you were juiced to the gills. bud
@@CoventryBrown-kw5ivAs if everyone isn't on something 😂 chael is just a g for admitting it
@@CoventryBrown-kw5iv how does that make any sense, do steroids miraculously make you grow balls and courage? Thought it shrank them. YOU wouldn’t have fought those men if you were fully juiced up on steroids and given a sword, so pipe down pipsqueak
@@CoventryBrown-kw5ivSuch a dumb comment 😂
The fact that Ariel planned this big "told you so" moment and still lost and got 10-7'd by Chael is hilarious 😂
I doubt you would say that to his face Ariel. Chael wouldn't let you get that close.
Swoon
Ariel is the type of guy who brings a supposed friend on his show, ambushes him within the first 5 minutes, and can't understand why he got upset...
Ariel is smarter than Chael with half his brain behind his back.
@@bnegs521 lol
*50 minutes
@@bnegs521 alien
@@bnegs521so smart even tho he reported 10-20 million. Didn’t know you get ten mill bonus for selling 50k ppvs lol
What’s funny about this whole thing is that Ariel NEVER admits he’s wrong and when Rick said he set the tone with the interview by making fun of Chael he denies it and says hmmm no you misinterpreted
Um, Chael never admits when he's wrong either... soooo.
@@RemmyRiffs yes but Ariel is the one projecting and asking people to “apologise” and in reality its just all a means to spite the ufc in any way he can
@@RemmyRiffsyeah he does, seen loads of videos where he admits he was lol
@@pierer91nope
That's because Ariel doesn't understand he's right fewer times a year than Democrats. Just a constant gaslighting liar.
I was yelling "STOP THE FIGHT!" this entire episode 😂 Complete domination and a 50-40 unanimous decision victory for the undisputed, undefeated world champion... Chael P. Sonnen!!!
News just broke.
Seems like Francis is going to be “Fumbling the bag” 2 fights in a row!
🤣
@@calvinmiguel4405I personally don’t wanna see him fight boxers. The Jon Jones MMA fight is the only fight I wanna see. Boxing is just too corrupt.
@@calvinmiguel4405Still don't know how he's in the wrong. Francis continues losing companies money. UFC was right to let him go. 👍
@@calvinmiguel4405 news just in francis is still snoring and chael was right both ppvs didnt perfrom and had low numbers like chael said
@@wavywookie3555How much did he make not factoring in PPVs for this fight alone? $20m, meanwhile Jones made $3m base his last fight…🤣.
Btw, I think Jones wins had Francis fought him. Meaning Francis wouldn’t have made championship money/got a PPV cut after that fight.
Well this backfired big time on Ariel 😂😂😂 Chael is the last guy to try and do a sneak attack on😂😂😂
Never mess with the bad guy.
you really think Chael won this? LMAO how did you type this with Danas dik ramming your throat. 😂
@TheTrueEmrys how did you type this with ariels bussy on your lips lol
@@TheTrueEmrys you think Ariel was winning when his only source for "reports say Ngannou got $10-20 million" was himself saying it a second ago? 🤣Also, Dana's got nothing to do with who did better in a debate between Ariel and Chael lmao.
@@TheTrueEmryschael 110% won this lmao only ariel fanboy NPCs and people with IQs of 15 think ariel won this 😂😂😂😂
"I've never had you be this kind of stupid before" 😂😂😂 Chael went full heel here
Full facts
Nah he went full pissed, playing heel is different imo. He embarrassed himself, not with his arguments but the childish way of getting it across. I’ve seen chael fight three rounds and sweat less than this 😂
Aged beautifully now that we know the actual ppv sales
@@Sesh422Are the under 100k number legit? Because that's sad.
@@mixedmartialoddest Chael was right, 67k PPV's sold. Which is horrible.
It’s official. The downfall of Helwani has begun . To mock and try humiliate a friend like that is embarrassing
Chael embarrassed himself
@@jryder18chael made himself look foolish because ariel backed him into a corner that little rat and he didn’t want to bow down .
ariel wouldn’t talk like that if chael was there in person
id call out my friends when they were wrong. If they kept trying to lie to me though id carry on
@@gavindeanda809how hard is it to say that with hindsight he was obviously wrong...
Lol no
“It was reported by me” 🤡
Ariel never would’ve spoken so tough if Chael were in the room….he’s a little weasel!
But good to know ariel isn't a source to trust anymore since he's completely wrong about the ppv sales to begin with. They sold less than 70k ppv. If that ppv cost 140 dollars and francis got every ppv dollar there's he still wouldn't have made 10 million let alone get 20 lol
@@jonwifebeaterjones6389 I’m from the UK we have good pride fighting journalists here. The Independent said Francis is guaranteed £8.2m $10m. Fury made $50m! Saudis overpaid which is well known. Also when you quote PPV numbers maybe quote more than one market you sound like a hater.
@@devilinthedetails8350 we know francis base purse was 8-10 million im not denying that but that ppv bombed ans sold under 70k and most countries don't even have ppv to begin with lol there's barely any ppv market outside the US and I'm not even from there i live in Germany we never buy ppv for anything ever lol
@@jonwifebeaterjones6389 fair enough I know Germans don’t over pay any sport even football. In UK it was on PPV and on DAZN for a lot of countries.
@@devilinthedetails8350that is probably true but doesn’t change a single thing here.
Ariel took a massive L dude was gloating and just made a total ass of himself. Well played Chael. Undefeated and undisputed
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Gangster
I think Ariel was right
cause he was for the most part, annoyingly maybe because no one likes a know it all, but he had Chael in quite a few logic chokeholds and inconsistencies that Chael had to be outraged at completely irrelevant stuff as a distraction from his confidently bad takes...@@markof1303
News just broke.
You still think Chael was right? Seems like Francis is going to be “Fumbling the bag” 2 fights in a row!
Ariel calls him a weasel then gets upset when someone says it back 🤡
He tried to frame it as something anti-semetic as well which was even worse
you guys should have more annoyance with how chael delt with this situation....lol not ariel
@@samuraibirds917when? Time stamp plz
@@evantaylor1378 What about how Chael handled it was annoying? Everything that he said was true. Can you say the same for Ariel?
@@evantaylor1378 lol ok bud
Chael: "I planned on watching this fight. I thought it was coming on at 7pm PST - a regular time."
Ariel: "Why would a fight in Saudi Arabia happen at 7pm pacific time?"
Chael: "Do you know where Abu Dhabi is?"
Ariel: "Yes, I'm aware of where Abu Dhabi is."
Chael: "Did you watch Volk vs Islam a week before?"
Ariel: "Yes, it also happened in the middle of the day."
Chael: "Well, nobody knows. . . that's the problem."
😂😂☠☠
😂
Chaels an idiot lol, but he's still undefeated
Chael fangita who didn't listen to Ariel's response - just like Chael, lool.
@@dyfox3856the irony
I have to side with Ariel. Chael is in classic denial in a comedic way for all to see. Ariel just enjoying it all. Hilarious. Ariel 100% correct. And I’m a fellow wrestler. I just can’t side with Chael.
One of the only times when Chael broke character and made sensible logical points while Ariel kept trying to mock him as if he made the deal for Francis.
Honselty, rare to see chael like this
Sonnen still lies bout being at the fight when he twitted and on x like he was on xtc.. Mabey something wrong with he. Get it g? 😊
Maybe he got in an argument with Miss Britney right before the interview. I've never heard Chael curse
@@michaelmartin96 nah Ariel is that big of a loser
"You think I'm a be a coward behind your back but then almost come to blows with Francis face to face"😂😂😂😂, Chael destroyed Ariel.
When did Chael and Fracis almost got at it ?
@@crazypato3752I wanna say a year or two ago but there’s a good chance it’s exaggerated. Francis has never gotten wound up in public
@@noicemate9111 why?
@@crazypato3752 why what
@@noicemate9111 why they almost fought
When you get Chael to start doing the “excuse me!…..excuse me….” You know you got him pissed 😂
Chael cooked him
@@SolusT.V.
Chael got tore a new one.
I don’t know what you were watching.
@@SolusT.V. WTF were you watching?? 🤣🤣
@@oggyoggy1299he did lol. Wrecked him.
@@oggyoggy1299I think there are 2 Chael's fake UA-cam profiles commenting here. 😂
That was a dirty shot by ariel to start the interview off like that. Walking away shouting "WE shocked the world😣". He actually thinks he played a part in Francis shocking the world and thats why he's doing so much 😂.
Also Only reason exhibition happened cos Fury talked about being baddest man on planet.kudos to Francis but Ariel forgetting it was Fury idea happened
He started it your right shot's fired of the bat.
@@sahagunjjs7527called it from the start. Years prior, no one else did that, no one
I need to see Chael vs Ariel like the leadup to Sunday Kickoff every week 😅
@@Matt-pb5pt Ariel was a little extra on one thing. Calling chael a coward and he needs to grow a pair and wouldn't ever dare say these things to his face in person is crazy lol obviously i don't condone violence after losing an argument but gotta keep it within limits.
Who is here after Nganou got slept after getting knocked down 3 times all within 2 rounds?
41:50 is hilarious, Ariel acted like Chael was trying to dance around what he was saying, where in reality Chael had been saying it clearly for the whole show😂
💯 I love how Chael called him little weasel to his face when he didn’t get the clue about the other points
I hit you in the face with it like a frying pan😂
Nah
@@forgive.them. yeah
@@bradderzzcayford6929 I watch chaels show. The fact that you think he was clear about something is laughable
Best part about this interview is u can tell they’re both trying to make eachother mad 😂
Ariel definitely won the war Chael didn't come prepared at all
@@maltheri9833dude even said it himself that he had no idea the conversation was going to be a debate and thought they were going to celebrate the fight and recap fight news lol Ariel off the bat started roasting him
Chael has thin skin, he hates it when someone is more intellectual than him in a debate. Ariel destroyed him with facts, Chael was just yapping for daddy Dana.
@@Onlybadtakes2589 Does he think he won’t be roasted when he spent most his time roasting francis in the past ?
And Ariel was just yapping against Dana. Ariel just changes his tune whenever it benefits him. All of a sudden this was a win for HIM.
For months he said this was a genius move from Ngannou, before the fight was even announced. He said it was a good example for other fighters.Then all of a sudden he's admitting if he lost it would be bad... if he didn't get the Fury fight it would be bad. It would be bad for other fighters.@@SonGokuuuuuuu
Ariel denying that he gassed up francis this whole time bc he had a vendetta against the UFC brass is laughable
Exactly and sold only 50k ppvs. That 10-20 million Ariel was talking about it why I hate him. It was me I reported it. 2 seconds ago you made it sound like it was an official report that stated he made 20 million. Bros talking out his ass. Also PPV shares on 50 k is wild when you would’ve sold 1 million against jones bahah
you've hit the nail on thy head. also if the most perfectly successful event occurs in the middle east, Ariel will poo poo it.
Not really, it was the noble thing to do. Dana was trying to big dog francis and talk Francis down saying no one would watch it and Francis isn’t worth it basically. Ariel’s just telling the truth bro. Dana’s a pos for how he talked about Francis.
My enemy's enemy is my friend
@@GooseBeans1 it's not talking out of his ass if he knows Francis made more with the included ppv buys. He's got his own sources but not everything is public information if they don't want to be. 10-20 is accurate based on the ppv performance and percentage. I believe it's near the low end though because i think it had low ppv buys, maybe 11-12? lol.
I love how Chael never said Francis didn't do well financially and Ariel keeps making up that that is his point and that Chael disagrees with it
Ariel is that guy who needs to be right so badly that he starts fights and ruins relationships by purposefully misinterpreting his friends past statements.
The fact Ariel thought Chael was gonna apologize…
💀
Or admit he was wrong about something
Why would he have to apologise to Ariel though?
nah, he shouldnt, Jamal hill was right about weasel Helwani, the way he started the interview is so slimey and vile.
@@stoicsavage509 oh I know dude. I’m saying it’s funny he expected an apology
Ariel called Chael a coward. Wow. Chael would murder him. He needs be punched in the face for being so disrespectful.
Chael has copied trumps hand mannerisms to the T 😂
💯, dude in his 50s copying new mannerisms is cringe af
No wonder chael is amazing
Ha I just noticed 😄
I saw this 4x before I realized it was Beau. POG comment
He’s worse at painting a narrative too. Maybe just cuz I under stand mma math better than politics. How sad.
Ariel wanted the UFC to lose MONEY but Dana was wise when he let Ngannou go instead of giving in to what he demanded even though he wasnt really selling PPVs.
Chael was right.
The promotion lost a LOT of money.
Francis had his payday but he didn't really MAKE any money for the promotion.
Arirl was insisting that it didn't bombed because Francis got paid but promoters LOST money and nobody really watched that fight.
We watched, we just didn't pay 🤣
Well Ngannou got 10 million for a boxing fight compare that to 600k he made hes last title fight in UFC that's more then current UFC fighters besides maybe conor, so yes Ngannou made the right move lol. 10 million for a half fight that's smart bussines if you ask me, and he dont have to deal whit a promoter doing hes best to trash him.
The Saudis don't pay for high profile sporting events because they need (or even want) a profit from hosting them. They do it to draw attention away from their human rights abuses. They got exactly what they wanted from this, and it wasn't money.
Why should Francis care whether the promotion made money? Promotions don't care about him and it's every man for himself. Francis made retirement money in one night. Good for him.
this is not it my friend.
Having watched this and I must say.. Chael never lied. He stayed consistent.
He said it was a bad move in terms of risk.
Ariel said it was a good brave move and would pay off.
They were both right and talking past each other
Yes agreed. Chael didn’t want to admit that Francis bet on himself (ultimately even if stupidly) paid off.
Ariel don’t want to admit that Francis made a dumb business move without much forethought but it miraculously worked…
The more I type the more I think Chael lost this lol. Chael made many brilliant points but it’s not about those arguments. Ariel wanted Chael to admit he got it wrong about Ngannou’s bid for success and Chael won’t do that 😂 and I love Chael and never watch Ariel
@@klassicjammer7322 One correction - Francis's bet on himself -paid off- is to pay off yet, as he would make around the same figure (10kk) in the UFC, granted he would have fought around 3 times a year. So yes, Francis did a big bet on himself, probably earned a little bit more than he would get in his previous company, but he has no future deal thats sustainable - no MMA until (at best) end of 2024, no boxing promotion being signed to = signing to another one-off deal? You can argue, but even the best one-offs are not sustainable, it's pretty much always a loss, flip that 20D dice (with 19 faces saying LOSS) a few times, and I'm sure you will understand my point. 20D is generous for real life metaphor, tho :D
@@klassicjammer7322wrong, Ariel did admit that it was a risky business move, and he wouldn’t recommend any other fighters do it
Which is why Chael said in a subsequent post that there's a difference between being wrong like he was and lying like Ariel did.
but you’re missing the point ariel made, that saudis are putting the money, and dont play by the norm rules so francis doesnt need a promoter. the saudis will put up the money even if the event bombs.
on the flip side, apart from wilder, there are no fights in the hw division as one off events, so money wise its on a par with ufc for francis. he makes the same money albeit in lesser fights, but his legacy in the ufc suffers. not to mention if he loses to a ruiz, he has a problem. RISK vs reward taking everything into account. that’s chaels point but he hasn’t articulated that properly.@@pawegrzanka5494
“I talk about you behind your back, but almost come to blows with Francis Nganou. You think those two stories go together you little weasel” . 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I had only chuckled once or twice up to that point, but that line had me on the floor 😂😂
This had me laughing so hard i watched it again and again lol😂😂
timestamp …
@@jalen______7466lmk when u get it😂
@@jalen______7466 45:55
“I could be wrong.” That’s the closest Chael will come to admitting he was wrong. 😂 EDIT: If he HAD been wrong. Turns out, he wasn’t. Still undefeated, undisputed.
It's the closest Chael will ever be to being wrong. Never lost a round
I love chael guys straight out of the Simpsons or something lol
Uncle Chael is pretty damn amazing on both sides of the Octagon. Something that rat fink Ariel will never be. 🫠🐸😝
@@zane4575 The P stands for undefeated.
He has said that a heel never apologizes, took a heel stance and kept with it
I’ve stuck with Ariel through pretty much everything but I lost a ton of respect for him after this. Truly despicable behavior from him.
He is right though
@@benschmelzer7748 about what? Calling his friend anti-semitic for absolutely no reason?
Being pretty patient with someone telling and insulting him for half an hour?? Sure thing man
@@JTBCP it wasn’t exactly no reason
so conclusion:
PPV came out, and chael was right... Ariel was actually lying and shouldn't "report" when the report was fake and false
Can you direct me to where I can find the official numbers. Was able to find nothing but Ariel's month old predictions online.
Only 3 reports say there was around 100.000-150.000 buys
so conclusion: you just lied about all this and ignored the person who asked for proof
I love watching these ariel vs chael segments 😂 its like danas biggest fan vs danas biggest hater
Chael is A G. Dont mess with the G
Yea 80% of what Chael says online is just nonsense..
Chael isnt a dana fan, hes a realist
Really bro, he's a UFC mouthpiece@@4nt3lol90
@@4nt3lol90no he’s a Dana fan boy
Ariel telling Chael that he's a coward is crazy 🤣. A man that stepped into the ring with all the greats. Bit of a joke.
You meant into a cage,or octogone.....he can be a coward intellectually,and he is actually
There’s many ways to be a coward
He's not a coward in fighting. He's a coward because he can't admit when he's wrong. Eventually he'll get old and he'll still be a coward; except he won't be able to fight anymore.
@@sabihd1388 I feel like he’s doing a bit. I don’t think he actually believes all the nonsense😂
What the smooth brains in this thread don't get is Chaels not a coward where it matters most.
They can have him beat intellectually and think he's a coward, but they would never tell him that face to face. Neither would Ariel. They're a coward where it matters most.
Chael sonnen should have been a politician. Answers no questions, talks in circles and never loses an argument. Is truly impressive.
What are you talking about? He answered every question asked of him. He would make a great politician tho
@antuanperez426 he did at first your right. But as the interview went on Chael was wack. Going on nonsensical rants leading nowhere. Down one route than another and another and keeps repeating himself.
And when ariel says something misleading he's a "liar"
But when chael does it he's just "mistaken"
@@filthynumber1 Dude, Ariel lied to everyone and tried to go back on it basically saying he's allowed to lie because he's a reporter 🤣🤣 Chael's rants were definitely making a point though, even when Ariel tried to piggyback off of them. Ariel was the one who messed up the whole premise by literally asking if something happened after it had happened 🤣
@antuanperez426 the way ariel started that show with chael was definitely not cool. He pissed chael off and chael let him know. Bet you he won't do that again.
ARIEL talking short term opportunity.
CHAEL talking pure sustainability.
I don't know that most fighters don't want sustainability, at least not as a top priority. If they can get a bag from boxing big enough to not have to fight in the cage again (unless they want to), they'll take it.
"dont be a coward"...says Ariel to the guy with almost 60 fights.
That's true, but I laughed a little because having 60 fights also can make your brain not working at its best 😅
@@piotrmusk6358ok, but Chael could destroy him finger by finger
You can be an intellectual coward 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
and he won them all..
@@mikehansen7610Nah if you call someone a coward you're calling them a coward. Stop defending this guy who loves talking crazy behind a screen
Chael finally shows a glimpse of the real bad guy.
Almost came to blows with Francis, what a gangster.
Or bad girl…..sorry, just wanted to be Tito for a second.
More like a child 😂
And Ariel shows a glimpse of the weasel he is.
He's just calling out Chael for saying Francis fumbled the bag, Chael completely avoids and paints a different point
This is closest Ariel has gotten to actual fight . Guy is whole entire square
Ariel : attempts to hug Chael
Chael : I can't let you get close
Helwani a week ago: I didnt do anything! I didnt tell him what to do! I just made an interview!
Helwani a week later: WE did it! WE did it Francis! Everyone apologize to me!
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that there is NO contradiction between those two statements.
@@truth1844 He literally said “We shocked the world” lol wtf did ariel do? it was all francis
@@jojo11254 ...Bro, it really isn't that hard to understand. Just like saying "we won the Superbowl" when you were home on the couch or "We won a gold medal" when you were home watching the game. Try using your brain. He just sympathizes with Francis' fight.🤦♂
@@truth1844Anyone who uses manipulative fallacies such as "anyone intelligent knows" has a room temperature that is apparently too far too low, buddy. Yes, there is a comical contradiction between the two statements: one signals that hes neither invested nor participating whatsoever and is just being an observer, statement B pretends that he was in fact an active player all along who had a clear opinion on the situation and clearly supported Ngannou in his steps. If you dont see the almost infantile fallacy in it, perhaps dont bother arguing with people non the internet.
@@truth1844🤡
Chael’s hands were having a conversation of their own, I couldn’t stop watching 😂😂
I’m glad I’m not the only one who couldn’t stop watching them lol
Simply basing on that, he'd make a good president.
Ikr! Well said, his hands were outta hand
I hate when people use trained hand gestures
Very trumpy
I finally realized Ariel’s problem. He acts like a know it all. He could ask tough questions without stating things as facts, like a journalist. I think he forgets his lane. It’s not a matter of who’s right or wrong. Maybe he’s right but he’s gotta just move on the other questions
When Chael tells him Shut Up it had me dying lmao hilarious
Chael is never wrong. When he's not right, he's left.
Apparently he leaves when he's wrong
Literally left. Left the interview
" with your big balls and all your courage" Chael the goat🤣🤣🤣
Ariel calling Chael a coward was crazy and framing him as a antisemite when he left the calls. Wtf
@@callenMMAWhat I missed this really?? What a weasel!!!
@@callenMMA ya I couldn’t believe ariel went that far. I’ve loved him ever since I started watching ufc too, but lately he’s been acting way different then he has his entire career. He’s gotta stick too reporting real journalism, without making a spectacle of himself all the time.
His whole argument from this like chael said and most his arguments usually have a overhanging point he’s trying to get across and its that he wants everyone to see he’s fine without Dana. Any fighter that leaves ufc or talks bad about fighter pay in ufc (it is bad) Ariel is 100% on their side and trying to push that information to everyone to pretty much j get back at Dana. I’m sure it has to do more with his feud with Dana and getting clicks rather than he’s j obsessed with fighters getting paid what they deserve.
What chael is saying is right. Francis is a big fight. The problem is without having a contract promoters wont put francis in a position to win a belt. So logically theres no reason to do it unless theres a cash grab with no belts, but most boxing promotions historically havent made money. So how can there be a cash grab while losing money. Chael is going back to the who, what, why, where and when. Who is obviously a champion which wont happen unless the belts not on the line. What is which sport. Why, well it obviously cant be for a belt without a contract. Where is easy, anywhere. When definitely matters because they just tried to sell a fight during (free telecast) college football season.
The ending is quality hahhahaha chael is a legend
Gotta respect Chael for doing sign language for the people that can’t hear 🤞🏽
Lmao 🤣
😂
I'm dead 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Calls him a coward and a liar, tells him to grow some balls, calls him a bit ch and then proceeds to play the victim. Where have I seen this before?
oy vey
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Land of Zion
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Chael was right. the ppv sold 75,000 at $80 a peice which is a total of 6 mil. Francis got paid 10 mil Fury got paid 50 mil, and the Saudis lost an ungodly amount of money. The rematch may do well except that francis is under contract with pfl and has already said his next fight will be mma. I honestly have no clue why Ariel is taking this position.
Can you show me the source, I couldn't find this anywhere but I think it's definitely closer to this than 400,000.
@@anb8946 there are a bunch of reports that claim the actual buys were lower than 75,000. Ariel Is the only one claiming that it did 400,000 and he's only doing it because he wants to create the narrative that Dana missed out on good business. But even at 400,000 buys, they still wouldn't have made enough to cover fury"s paycheck, let alone give him and Francis bonus money.
@@sawyerphillips9493 I don't doubt Chael is right, but I've seen several people say the official numbers came out and I could not find any source that was anything more than an estimate. Are the official numbers out and if not will they ever be released?
Who hopping back in after Joshua KO?
Turns out the fight did 67k PPV buys LMFAO Chael was right
You missed the point!
You totally missed the point of the argument mate 😂
Regardless of ppv buys, Francis made more in boxing than his entire MMA career mate, You Missed the Point!!!!!
@@POOPonYOUall - He didn't 'make' anything. He was paid $10mil to show up. It's literal show money - EVERY fighter gets this at a professional level. He MADE nothing off of PPV because there was ZERO promotion. You have no idea what you're talking about.
@@WardenOfTerra they’re a little slow mate, we tried…
It's a shame Ariel got so caught up in having to get Chael to say he was wrong when he would never do that. They should have been speaking about how amazing Francis did. It's so obvious that Francis exceeded all expectations and shocked everyone, everyone knows that. Why did Ariel have to get into this ugly back and forth with a friend just to get him to say you were right. This was ugly.
It really really was, turned ugly pretty damn fast. I liked watching them “debate” but the insulting and yelling over each other was a bit ridiculous. All cause Chael has a skull thicker than cement and Ariel wouldn’t let off
Chael highlighted this at the very end, said why did Ariel turned the conversation to a debate when they should celebrate Ngannou, not do a victory lap to the doubters
Spot on, ariel is such a petty little man
ariel is a narcissist
I've been watching Chael for a long time. His biggest fault is that he always tows the company line. Makes it hard to watch sometimes. He's happy to make excuses for fighter pay or support the UFC/MacGregor over USADA. You will never see him disagree with Dana. So it's good to see him called out for it.
Chael knew his job here. He was the heel. And he’s a master at it!
Then why are chaels numbers so bad
Y’all love to act like he’s a expert promoter while he gets 30k views a vid
Ariel doesn’t understand that although Francis was paid his guarantee, the company that paid him lost money and the ppv bombed.
This means Francis got nowhere near $10 million in ppv and the company will be hesitant to lose money on another event like this.
Knowing this, other promoters (the real promoters in the sport) will also be hesitant to spend money promoting Francis knowing the previous promoters lost money.
He wants to say, “Francis stuck it to the man, he made a bunch of money” and ignore all the facts.
They're not hesitant to lose money on another event. They have spent billions of dollars (yes, billions) on the Saudi football league and no one cares about that either.
The Saudis don’t care about money. They are sportswashing to improve the image of their country. Ngannou was paid what he was offered regardless of the ppv numbers.
Why do you assume that pay per view is the only way an event makes money? Sponsors don't care how many people bought the event they care about how many watched the event. The sponsors don't pay hundreds of thousands for a tiny spot on the canvas of the ring out of charity.
@@Tippet76 It is a huge part. However, of course it is not the only way to make money. My comment about pay-per-view is in regards to Ariel’s statement that Francis could have made $10 million in pay-per-view buys.
@@cahassassin2222 A whole football league is a huge difference from one fighter who is near 40 and didn’t generate a profit for them.
Let’s take a min and realize how good Chael would’ve been in the WWE especially when he attitude era lol. Chael on the mic is pure gold
wtf is a attitude era
@jiangjun1781 you're not a wrestling fan I see , it was the era where wwe was very grunge and serious
L😂L at Thin skinned Chael
Nah, he's more like a JBL character and would've worked best from 2004 onwards.
Not in the attitude Era more the ruthless aggression
Feel like Ariel was asking for it the way he started the interview. I would have reacted same way Chael did
exactly. It was a setup from the get go. dirty Ariel
Bingo
Chael handled it perfectly and 10-7'd the little weasel
He definitely went full "get outta my room MOM!!" a few times too, that would have set me off
@@mehdiboudj5044Chael was a hypocrite and threw loads of personal insults. Chael then started projecting and started accusing Ariel of the same thing he was doing.
Chael’s message about the business standards of fighting is super valid whereas Ariel is championing Nganou’s manifest as an individual operating outside of the business standard. Two opposing truths can co-exist in the same space but the script flipped when it became about who’s more righteous.
Uncle Chael has some narcissistic tendencies and Ariel is a tough guy now?!?!- who knew 🤷🏽♂️
Narcissistic tendancies?? Ariel weaseled Chael into a corner and lied.
Thank you for showing how they both were acting like kids lma😊
The way Ariel talks to chael is astonishing. For a dude whose 160 lbs soaking wet, he smug look should be getting him slapped upside the head.
Chael's proof that the pay-per-view bombed....he ran a poll on his channel asking if we bought the event....and went with those numbers 😂
More than Ariel did to prove otherwise
@@FuntClaps101 the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. chael is the one who brought up ppv like he knew
😂😂😂
I would bet my balls it bombed, i didnt hear a single person talk about this fight because no one cared besides a small pocket of fight fans
@@noctiuagus1369 burden of proof of 10 to 20million is on ariel then he started it
Chael saying what kind of friend calls a friend a liar after he called ariel a liar 500 times is amazing 😂😂 then he goes on to say I’m leaving I know it’s a punk move but your a punk and a little weasel. 😂 The forever legend chael.
Because helwani did lie
@@sumisumi-by8xv "it was reported" 😂
@@sumisumi-by8xv no he didnt
@@matthewfors114 yes , he did
@@sumisumi-by8xv but he didnt soo i dunno what to tell u
Anyone else just honestly don't like when friends fight like this? Its not worth it.
Ariel's biggest mistake was that he went against the best to ever touch a mic
“I’m gonna be a coward behind your back but almost come to blows with Francis f2f? you think those two stories go together you little weasel?” 😂😂😂😂😂
LMAO
Lmao i laughed too when Chael said this 😂 Ariel tries to grapple but Uncle Chael is always playing 4D chess with him
Chael the 🐐
Some rich folks gave Nganou cash to fight to see him fight. Its not the same as creating a ppv and having him sell the points to make that same amount of cash. So, they are both right but Chael is way more right.
its interesting how Chael sounds like a rambling old man on his own channel but everywhere else, specially here, he makes a lot of sense and is completely articulate
"Boring topic! Back to the news" This is why Chael is amazing😂
Ariel trying to pretend like the reason he supported Francis isn't because he hates Dana is absolutely wild.
I like Dana, but you can't ignore the fact Francis had a better deal elsewhere and deserved support.
I doubt that’s the only reason but ain’t nothing wrong with that being one of them
Ariel is the worst baised so called journalist in this entire sport. His hatred of Dana and the UFC is a stain on him calling himself a journalist.
@@keithmma7750paddy or Dana’s burner. Lol what was Ariel wrong about?
So anyone who supports fighter pay hates Dana. Ok
Basically if a promotion is willing to loose money, Anyone can do anything. Chael is correct speaking of good business.
Ayo Ariel was begging Chael to legit strangle him 🤣
"Danced around it? I called you flat the F out on it!" Chael is a gentleman even when angry.
He never uses 4 letter words now or when he was a fighter. Ok he may have said one or two but absolutely very few.
Chael was not calling him out on "it". He was floored by the "Danced around it" line, and he came back with an empty but pretty good defence of "I called you the F out on it!"
Hell yeah!!
No he danced around it , he only said blatantly by mentioning ufc and dana after the fact
Chael is everything but a gentleman.
Chael's really good at sounding like he knows what he's talking about, it's his biggest skill.
not if you listen carefully
He does, but he also trolls and likes to say things he may not even believe. It is a skill though!
@@googootubtubwell ya that’s why he phrased it that way he sounds like he knows but he’s talking out of his ass
its a fugazzi
He does know but what he knows and what he says are two different things
Ariel had to deal with the man of steel
We saw him react to Chael's attack
But what's he gonna do, now that he knows who?
Forged in the mean streets of West Linn, Oregon, the American gangster remains undefeated. 💪🏻
37:45 undefeated, undisputed uncle Chael 😂
The dinosaurs line made me lol. And then, "Secondly. Mr Liar.." 😂 Ariel and Chael go great together
Ariel trying to play a tough guy character is the most pathetic thing ever
13 trophies because there are not many in the field, and you have brainwashed all the casuals social media fans that don't even truly understand or respect the sport.
80% of this show is just about Ariel’s spite towards Dana
or Chael being Dana's little helper
Don't forget Bloody Elbow and Reddit, too
Ngl Ariel is a weasel, but I'd still support him over bald juiceman anyday.
and although ariel can be irritating sometimes, he's one of the very few journalists who's got the balls to go against the fighters even if its just verbally (also anyone saying "he wouldn't do it irl), ofc he wouldn't because he's not a professional fighter, if he was he would've never done journalism like hes done now, thats some cavemen logic.
Also, he might've lied some bit or overestimated about how much Francis has really made, but it doesn't change the fact that francis has "won" his battle against dana and that should be rubbed as hard as possible.
dana was talking all crap about francis up until he got his money fight with fury, now he got the money fight, succesfully made the fight and money. So almost like karma, its should be rubbed into public as hard as possible.
@@cyrisz4300let me guess, you hate Dana White?
Exactly.
You can't beat Chael in an argument. Chael being right is a universal constant and you can't defy the fundamental laws of the universe. There is gravity and there is Chael.
taxes, death and losing to Chael... the only guarentees
Gravity isn't real.
F#%k defying the fundamental laws of our universe - The universe literally cannot defy the laws of Chael.. and that's just an objective fact‼😤🙄🤷🏻♂️
usually Chael talks complete nonsense..
@@ignacedhont9816why talk on things you have no idea about. It's a long running Joke, Chael is never wrong you, clearly have no idea.
All that Ngannou nut hugging. Congrats Ariel, you helped Ngannou shave years off his life!
The conclusion here is that although Francis won financially here it’s doesn’t mean Dana made a mistake. Francis only won because someone was prepared to pay him to fight and lose money doing it, Dana was not.
So basically both Dana and Francis made the right choice.
Very intelligent, underrated comment.
How sustainable is that? How many suckers are lining up to pay Francis to fight and lose them money? Francis made a big mistake if he thinks there are a ton of fights out there for him to lose money on. Ariel is very disliked in MMA he cannot be trusted and he is burning through the small number of people who will deal with him.
If Chael was there in person Ariel would not be talking like that, not a chance😂
Stay mad
Why not? We live in somewhat civilized times. Good old days of attacking someone because of words are over. If Chael touched a hair, he would nr.1 catch a case and nr.2 be sued.
Why because chael gonna physically assualt him?
Idk about that.
Chael is an UFC shill
You can actually see Chael's blood pressure rising over the course of the interview. lol
He's ready to have a heart attack between roid rages
Ariel.great job keeping your cool, i.never could have
Chael threatening Ariel with physical violence was the real Chael here .we all like Chael because he's intelligent but make no mistakes, real life Charl is an absolute POS who is brought up on Charges for being a POS and doesn't have the balls to talk about it. What kind of guy tweets he was at the event when he wasn't? For real thats a psychotic type of narcissism right there.
@@BENCHIPED No, the real Chael is a stand up dude. The real Chael stood by Ariel and had his back when nobody else did. Ariel crossed a line in this argument that friends don’t cross. 43:50.
Seems like Mr. Sonnen is a little salty that Nganou made $10 million dollars!
He didn't make 10 million dollars,he was given(i.e. gifted)10 million dollars.That was Chael's point all along.
Was Chael in debate in school? This man got got points and counters. I’d lean towards him but Ariel made some good points as well.
Chael actually started sweating he was so mad LOL
Cos he was wrong and was put on blast publicly for being wrong. 😂
@@tmidoable are you really wrong if 99.99% of the people didnt think Francis would do any good.... Do you know boxing rules? Chaels was right actually, did you for get, FRANCIS LOST THE BOXING MATCH... say that 5 times and see if you dont get mad...
@@eimmaar6937 Exposed? Chaels been in the game as a fighter for decades, Ariel has never fought anywhere ever....Francis lost to Fury, how is that big time? He made $$ on a loss, thats awesome. but I dont want to see anything like that again... Francis vs Wilder? sure, but then what..... If you know boxing the only reason Francis was sooo welcomed is cause there are NO African boxers holding any belt in the HW devision anymore since Joshua lose, the fist time since 1956, do your boxing history research, I dont think the $$ is there for Wilder vs Francis.... this was the last hope, hence the BLM type invites all over the stadium last weekend.
@@junipersnow1 honestly Chael's more of a promoter than a fighter. Never had a belt but still got paid more by the UFC than any other fighter
@@junipersnow1 From what I saw.... the whole match.... Francis won that fight.
Why is Ariel acting like Chael would be in anyway scared of him?
Because he's a snake. Even if he was right about anything in that argument, that alone makes him look really bad.
Because, just because you’re a fighter don’t mean you can talk to people anyway.
ariel is the one acting out tho, little nerd @@maad2
@@maad2 chael didn't say anything confrontational to him until after Ariel decided to display fake toughness
@@EduardO-gm7hx sure.
This was amazing lmfao 😂
Areil's been trying to act like a tough guy ever since his little stint with ESPN. It's definitely not who he really is, but it's entertaining 😆
Ariel acting all tough but we know he’s the type of guy to say try it and see what happens then run and sue… dude was running when bottles got thrown
Cmon they have been friend for years, and yeah a professional fighter against a reporter......any reporter with any intelligence is gonna run like hell
Yah let’s stand and get hit by bottles
45:17 didn’t look like these guys are pals
@@donaldseigel4101go watch 45:17 again these guys are not friends after saying these things no way
@@jman9806 they're arguing but its not at all malicious. They've been cordial with each other for years
Chael had me in tears 🤣🤣🤣 Still has his undefeated fastball
hes so funny. even in a room of professional comedians chael still stands out. one of a kind.
Chael is nothing but sycophant for Dana White. I think he is looking for Dana’s job when he leaves the company.
@@yaniyuhara8165 bro really needs to look at the definition of sycophant a few more times, read it closely.
Ariel owned him in this interview all chael could do was insult him
@@yaniyuhara8165and you wouldn’t love this?
PPV was 67,500 PPV purchases in the United States- figures from Sportskeeda, The Dialy Mail etc. etc.
Best example that the internet has made everyone real comfortable. Everyone's a tough guy now.😏
Chael is brilliant.. he knew he was wrong after 10mins, he just wanted the verbal sparring session 😂
idk how you could think a guy who says “i’m my own source” is right 💀 ariel made himself sound like an idiot
That’s your opinion, I think chael won
If he was wrong he didn’t say anything wrong, the sparring session came from Ariel playing into his own fantasy version of Francis’s success rather than the reality of Francis’s success
If Chael.was right, they'd have moved onto the next topic lol... im no Ariel fan at all, but I think I give the decision to Ariel on this one - Chael is one hell of a politician though; he's smarter than he comes off
@mrsexy1231000 true.. but isn't he rendered a journalist of mma? The other guys are more like privileged ex fighters with no journalistic background..meaning, Ariel is technically a source for many ... but I do agree, he looked kinda dumb posing his point like that
Chael has Trumps hand gestures down PERFECTLY! Tremendous.
Its been Scientifically proven that people that use any form of sign language while talking are more engaging to watch
@@aquamegalodon45 yes idk if you know that but it’s been scientifically proven to be honest.
it was a yuge fight, you know the saudis, they put on the biggest fight. wasn't it fantastic, folks?
hes got MAGA energy written all over his hands!!!!
@@aquamegalodon45duh….
41:50 ariel annihilated chael and made valid points. chael just danced around with semantics. dork
Chaels point was that ariel shouldnt be encouraging this type of business because it was a big gamble and ariel was saying it was a good move because it worked out which is bad because he shouldnt be putting that in other fighters minds
Chaels point was that ariel shouldnt be encouraging this type of business because it was a big gamble and ariel was saying it was a good move because it worked out which is bad because he shouldnt be putting that in other fighters minds
Ariel was 100. Chael is a BS artist.
Chael was right on this one, Ariel cared more about him being right than on celebrating how good Francis performed. Ariel is a completely different person than what he was, his ego is through the roof.
Exactly! He loves the drama so he has more opportunities to point the camera back on himself
Chael was wrong and deflected, lied and twisted everything that was said.
@@truth1844yet the ppv totally flopped…..
Disagree. Why couldn't Chael admit he got it wrong?
He’s wasn’t right at all you smooth brain
Chael is the last person I want to debate with, can’t admit when he wrong and loves to hear himself speak
He’s one of the quickest, most articulate debaters I’ve ever seen. It’s beautiful
😂🤣😂😂🤣
He’s only annoying to argue against cause he’s undefeated, undisputed goat of the sport
And he will beat you up when he gets aggravated enough. He made it pretty clear
Chael = a clown, he got butt hurt … Ariel win that debate ..