Intriguing to say the least.! I really want to believe it’s him- the resemblance is there. The only bothersome point to me, is why Billy would carry such an elaborately encased photo of himself…? In that regard it makes more sense that it would be a photo of his brother he was carrying around. I’m really hoping that can be overruled though.
I really appreciate the work you Coalition guys do. So many years of yawning and rolling my eyes as someone shuffles onto the scene with another photo of Billy the Kid, dollar signs blazing in their eyes…..but this one here is the first time I’ve been really excited. I figured that if anyone knew even the smallest chance that a photo was real it would be you guys. Thanks for all of your hard work curating all of this history.
While I scoff at all the photos purportedly showing the kid when it’s obviously not him, I’m mesmerized by the possibilities of this one. And I’m very much open minded! What an incredible find this would be!
CK, do you know if there is something written on the back of the photo? Maybe a date, or the name of the photographer, so things could be ruled out (or in, of course😄). Further on, the ink used for the printing on the envelope, could be examined perhaps? And are there any other hand written letters by this sheriff to compare? Although the things written on the envelope doesn't particularly had to be written by him... Anyway, absolutely thrilled by this picture!!!
I was reading a book on Billy and came across a mention of the famous interview he did with the Las Vegas Gazette on December 27th 1880, the one where he says “I wasn’t the leader of any gang, I was for Billy all the time.” I’m trying to find the original newspaper publication of that quote and the interview as a whole but I am at a loss after pouring through numerous databases. Any idea where I can find it?
A library collection may have it. It may be online somewhere, but a search of the papers that day doesn't bring it up, because I believe it was printed as an "extra" for that day. I'll look into it further.
@@chasingbilly oh my god that makes sense no wonder I haven’t been able to find it. I’m gonna do some more digging but please let me know if you find it and thank you for your help!
@laurelsheart, that's the first comparison I thought of when I saw this. The provenance claimed for the school teacher photo is certainly plausible. To my eye, this looks very much like the same young man. I think this is genuine and it reinforces the likelihood that the teacher's photo is also the real thing. Not sure why that one is so rarely talked about, to be honest.
@@danielvandenbroek2275 It's in a private collection. A copy is on display at the BTK Museum in Fort Sumner, with a letter giving the provenance claimed. It is said to have been passed down through the family of a school teacher from Silver City who had young Henry McCarty as a student. The story is that he had a crush on the teacher and gave her the tintype photo. It's plausible, not necessarily proof. But to my eye it looks to be the same young man as in the photo James presents here. Just my opinion. I've not seen it online, but I have a photo I took of the copy at the museum. He is standing with a long gun (perhaps a prop) and is well dressed. The young man is a bit younger than this new one, but I think it is now worth a deeper look, given the likeness.
I've watched it a couple times now and I'm still dumbfounded. The resemblance is haunting. The documentation envelop seems too good to be true, but if the Coalition is throwing its weight behind this find, then it deserves serious consideration. Congrats, James. Absolutely stunning.
If you take the tintype hat, and the tintype mouth and superimpose it on the pic, it's very revealing...It looks just like him. And as Rollin mentioned below, this is the closest pic so far...
Absolutely amazing. I did hear the rumor that a photograph from the Silver City jail was found and possibly Billy, but that was all. I didn’t put much stock into it until now. I believe we have our second picture. Hello Billy, nice to finally have a good look at you.
@@JoyCelebrating The sheriffs department did not take the photo of him, it was taken from him with his possessions. His possessions were not returned because he escaped. I’m very aware that he and Josie were separated, but I don’t believe it’s a photo of his brother. For one thing Billy is just a boy here, and photos were a novelty then, a curiosity for a young boy, something I would imagine was exciting to have. Not something snapped at whim like today and carried by the hundreds in our pockets on our phones. It’s perfectly logical that a young boy would carry a photo of himself. We can’t look at how things were over a 140 years ago and see them as we do today.
@@JoyCelebrating You have also discovered the birth year of Joseph? People have been debating for decades if he was the older or younger sibling of Billy.
@@JoyCelebrating Oh, Wikipedia! Here I’ve been wasting time reading books by historians. You should have said from the beginning you’re well read on Wikipedia. Stop wasting valuable time with me, get on with your mission of educating the masses. Please don’t let me stand in your way a minute longer, you clearly have important work to do. You know someone who could potentially use someone of your knowledge, a fellow named Dan Edwards, you should introduce yourself.
@@JoyCelebrating Statements from people who knew Billy in New Mexico suggest strongly that he was a bit younger than Pat Garrett and Ash Upson claim. It is solely from their book that we get the 1859 year of birth. It's not a factual claim, more likely agenda driven. The day and month claimed are Upson's birth figures, all too convenient. From statements by fellow children in Silver City to fellow Regulators in Lincoln, it is quite possible- likely in my personal opinion- that Billy was born no earlier than 1860. Could even be 1861. If the former, he may well have been short of his 21st birthday at his July 14, 1881 death. That makes him 14-15 in the year 1875, and he is always described as looking very young. Billy's brother consistently stated he was born in 1863 on census records, in NYC, so that is the best evidence that Joseph was the younger. Joseph would be 11 turning 12 in 1875, and I don't think this picture shows someone that young.
Well Done Sir. I know you would have liked to have kept this information for a later time. However now it is out there and maybe more information on it may come about. Again, Sir the Coalition has a lot to be proud of. Matt Kedd
This is awesome!!! It could very well be him. You know, if you feel it is definitely him, we have the year on paper (1875) and we have AI that can detect ages from facial features in photographs. Don't know how accurate it is, but it's probably in the ballpark. If you could apply that, we could finally know Billy the Kid's age.
James ...sent your video here to Denis Gaubert who has two videos on his picture of Billie....I know your picture here is authentic as is Denis's... and my grandfather as a child has same cardigan sweater as pictured in ...I am hoping providence for both thankyou 🌹 RIP Billie ....we called him Bonnie
Looks like his eyes are looking at different directions and is this guy already going gray . It could have been retouched back when it was taken . What year did his mother die ? Maybe it was taken at that time . To me the face seems fat or swelled maybe from crying if it was taken at her death and funeral . Didn’t he get caught stealing a shirt from a laundry at about that time ? All these questions have to be asked . A silver German coin and a one dollar bill . I don’t know let’s let the experts do their thing and then we decide . 😮😅
That is the same Kid that is in the other Silver City photo from Dan , not sure how you can say this is legit but that one isn’t , it’s clearly the same person in both photos
This isn’t about increasing membership. Making the video private would mean that anyone who wanted to see it would have to pay and that would put us in the same category as Dan Edwards, who was the charging people to see a photo he claimed to be BTK last year. Keeping this one accessible to everyone is important.
This from the guy that’s “authenticated” dozens of BTK photos from his computer in his mom’s basement. It just might be a fake Jim, but you’re the most unqualified person I know to make that statement.
Josh Slatten actually challenged me to fight since his bullying and character attacks on social media didn't have the intended effect. Watching James Townsend explain how he thinks this is Billy The Kid in this video is very funny.
Intriguing for sure. The envelope should be able to be auhenticated beyond any reasonable doubt. The problem will be the photo itself due to the fact that any photo could have been put with the envelope at a more recent time. I do believe it could be him and looking forward to seeing what happens.
Excellent work as always. It certainly would be wonderful if it is Billy in the photo. Looking forward to how this mystery unfolds...Thank you for all your work!
That's definitely exciting in its possibilities!! I would be interested in a survey of respected authors and historians, as to their perspectives on the potential of this being a legitimate photo of Billy the Kid.
Let's say that's him. Can any of the other pictures allegedly portraying the kid be confirmed? Does any of them bear resemblance to the guy in this picture?
I'd say that this is the most important moment for this channel to date. Regardless of the absolute proof of provenance and authentication effort to be done still, this is without a doubt the most compelling "Billy" picture to come to light, and by the longest of long shots. No other is close. The picture aside, think of the effort it would take to have "faked" the envelope, or the faded Silver City photographer's info on the card opposite in the case. I'm seeing that as a solid element pushing towards authenticity. Sorry that this had to be pushed out before it was ideally ready, but I have faith that you guys will get that job done, one way or the other.
Don’t you think he looks older in this picture than the other one . He sure does not look like a 14 or 15 year old boy to me . Of course we all want this to be a new picture of him . If so he must of been proud of his mug to take all those pictures back then . Hell iv only had about 6 pictures of myself to date .
I'm wondering how many of the comments would be so enthusiastic in agreeing that this is a dead ringer for the Kid seen in the famous tintype if this photo had been presented as just another purported BTK pic making its rounds on the web. There is, I believe, a very real possibility that the viewer could be unconsciously influenced by the photo's background information. I am neither implying nor accusing anyone of deceitful intentions here; rather, I'm merely suggesting that this well-known phenomenon is an element to consider when forming an educated opinion. Personally, I find the photo in question no more intriguing than some of the others claiming to be Billy the Kid. Unlike several of the comments I've read here, I see a big difference between the thick eyebrows seen in the well-known tintype and the well-groomed (thinning as they arch toward the cheekbones) eyebrows witnessed in this video. I'm hopeful that the question of authenticity will be answered sooner than later.
Very moving video, James. This photo is remarkable. What came to my mind when you finally revealed the photo was the only other photo we've known to represent the Kid, taken at Fort Sumner. Two very different portraits: The one you've shown here from Silver City is of a young man who was raised as best as could be by his mother. A face of promise, hope, and a future. Looking at the Fort Sumner photo, we see that the young face has become more rugged. A man who has seen so much violence. Finally, I'd like to add this very succinct seven-minute video was incredibly moving by all of us who continue to follow the stories of the Kid. Thank you!
I was sceptical right up until I saw the image and within seconds was convinced it’s him. It’s so clearly the same person in the tintype. Such a huge breakthrough and this needs to be handled with care in proving it to the world.
More than this, young Henry’s property of a coin and a dollar, 1 year after his mom died. Had to make decisions, had to survive in rough times. So much to the making of this Kid.
I have no doubt thats the same person in the tintype of Billy! Same eyes, nose, eyebrows, chin, bottom lip and jaw line... and strangely sloped shoulders!
That hope that we’ve all had, that somewhere there existed another photo of him with provenance, finally shows promise. This gets me excited and my imagination running full speed. I’ve often wondered if there may be a photo of him while jailed in Mesilla for his trial and this certainly leaves hope. I’m looking forward to seeing more research and maybe opinions from Ben and Josh as well. Awesome!
This is better than any other claims , and looks more like Billy , it’s hard to see on the mouth because one pic being slightly open and one closed it looks totally differnt . But I think the features all match. Specially the eyebrows
This kind of a "feather" is unfortunate and not what we wanted at this time, sadly. What we wanted was to do justice to this photo by presenting it to the public with the research it deserves behind it. We were saddened by the turn of events that forced our hand to go ahead and publish this while we are still in the process of vetting it. But, on a positive note, perhaps opening up the issue to everyone will expand our knowledge base and resources. We all get to find out if this is legit together.
We will take any route the owner of the photo wants to take regarding the authentication of the photo. We just want to do justice to real history. TV shows aren't really on our radar.
Hmm, that is very interesting. Even a very slight protrusion of the upper lip from the front teeth. Proportions of the facial features look like he could have matured into the Billy of the famous tintype. BTW, Billy's shoulders aren't quite as sloped as they appear in the tintype. Stand in front of a mirror completely relaxed and look at your shoulder slope, width, and hips. Memorize their width and slope. Now, look at Billy's feet in the tintype and place your feet identically to his. Bend your left knee slightly and lean forward on a rifle with your left hand (or a broom if you don't have a rifle). Now put your right forearm all the way back behind your holster. Look at your sloped right shoulder and protruding right hip. For further proof, mirror the right side (Billy's left - rifle side) of the tintype mapped over to the left half of the tin type (Billy's right - holster side) and Billy's shoulders are square and proportional for a wiry 5 foot 6, 130 lb outlaw wearing cold weather layered pants. I hope some of you try standing in the exact pose. The actor in The Kid (2019) had the stance almost correct, except for the foot placement and weight distribution with the left knee slightly bent and right hip kicked out a bit. Dane DeHaan played Billy very close to what I think it he was like - charming, loyal, extremely dangerous when cornered.
Djeez! Seen a lot of acclaimed Billy photographs, but i got the shivers this time... The only thing that seems odd to me, is the logo and font on the envelope. Doesn't look like 1875, but hey... Who am i! But the photo got me thrilled! Damn!
your delivery of these videos brings a gravity wholly apposite to the occasion, while not overbearing. good stuff :) this certainly looks like the (supposed) photo of him said to have been taken after the funeral of john tunstall, where he is wearing the black frock coat that garrett said he used to wear. standing along with brewer, sally chisum, susan mcsween, juan patron et al... aylmer houston carson
It’s two faces put together . Even the clothes are off and he has a double chin with bumps at the chin . His shoulders look 3 inches wide and were are the buttons that should be center were are they at . It’s almost as if he has a towel over the front and the black square around neck . What’s that supposed to be . Also this man can grow a beard .😮
I think this is going to start a whole new obsession for what us and what us not a legitimate photo of Billy the Kid. The reason I say that is in this picture Billy looks a lot more like the guy in some of the alleged photos than he does in the authenticated tintype of Billy.
Lol cardigan kid james ty woooohooooo.....grgrand and grand....family resemblance.... some called Billie we called Bonnie... wish gale get off high horse of done and continue doing forensics
It’s two faces put together . Even the clothes are off and he has a double chin with bumps at the chin . His shoulders look 3 inches wide and were are the buttons that should be center were are they at . It’s almost as if he has a towel over the front and the black square around neck . What’s that supposed to be . Also this man can grow a beard .😮
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Thank you for showing this picture I believe that it is Billy. Excellent work. Thank you all.
Intriguing to say the least.! I really want to believe it’s him- the resemblance is there.
The only bothersome point to me, is why Billy would carry such an elaborately encased photo of himself…? In that regard it makes more sense that it would be a photo of his brother he was carrying around.
I’m really hoping that can be overruled though.
I really appreciate the work you Coalition guys do.
So many years of yawning and rolling my eyes as someone shuffles onto the scene with another photo of Billy the Kid, dollar signs blazing in their eyes…..but this one here is the first time I’ve been really excited.
I figured that if anyone knew even the smallest chance that a photo was real it would be you guys.
Thanks for all of your hard work curating all of this history.
While I scoff at all the photos purportedly showing the kid when it’s obviously not him, I’m mesmerized by the possibilities of this one. And I’m very much open minded! What an incredible find this would be!
Round up the troops...we need to discuss.
CK, do you know if there is something written on the back of the photo? Maybe a date, or the name of the photographer, so things could be ruled out (or in, of course😄). Further on, the ink used for the printing on the envelope, could be examined perhaps? And are there any other hand written letters by this sheriff to compare? Although the things written on the envelope doesn't particularly had to be written by him...
Anyway, absolutely thrilled by this picture!!!
Woah! Where did everyone come from all of a sudden?!?! Sunday night conversation???
I was reading a book on Billy and came across a mention of the famous interview he did with the Las Vegas Gazette on December 27th 1880, the one where he says “I wasn’t the leader of any gang, I was for Billy all the time.” I’m trying to find the original newspaper publication of that quote and the interview as a whole but I am at a loss after pouring through numerous databases. Any idea where I can find it?
A library collection may have it. It may be online somewhere, but a search of the papers that day doesn't bring it up, because I believe it was printed as an "extra" for that day. I'll look into it further.
@@chasingbilly oh my god that makes sense no wonder I haven’t been able to find it. I’m gonna do some more digging but please let me know if you find it and thank you for your help!
Now if we can find a good AI program to age him 5 or 6 years to have a clearer idea of how he looked in 80 or 81
Thank you, James, good work. This is incredible!
Oh ya. Now this pic fits what was said of him. I’d like to see it compared to his school teachers picture.
@laurelsheart, that's the first comparison I thought of when I saw this. The provenance claimed for the school teacher photo is certainly plausible. To my eye, this looks very much like the same young man. I think this is genuine and it reinforces the likelihood that the teacher's photo is also the real thing. Not sure why that one is so rarely talked about, to be honest.
School teacher photo...?? Never heard anything about that one! Is there a link to that photograph?😬🙏🏻
@@danielvandenbroek2275 It's in a private collection. A copy is on display at the BTK Museum in Fort Sumner, with a letter giving the provenance claimed. It is said to have been passed down through the family of a school teacher from Silver City who had young Henry McCarty as a student. The story is that he had a crush on the teacher and gave her the tintype photo. It's plausible, not necessarily proof. But to my eye it looks to be the same young man as in the photo James presents here. Just my opinion.
I've not seen it online, but I have a photo I took of the copy at the museum. He is standing with a long gun (perhaps a prop) and is well dressed. The young man is a bit younger than this new one, but I think it is now worth a deeper look, given the likeness.
I thought on the school teachers picture he had a hurt nose.
@@danielvandenbroek2275 I saw it at the BTK museum at Fort Sumner.
We're did this come from and is there any province. Very interesting.
Certainly looking good. I look forward to more details!!
I've watched it a couple times now and I'm still dumbfounded. The resemblance is haunting. The documentation envelop seems too good to be true, but if the Coalition is throwing its weight behind this find, then it deserves serious consideration. Congrats, James. Absolutely stunning.
Ooooph...
The ears don't seem to match other photos. Too bad we can't see his teeth. Does favor, though.
Hey Kid , are u free to tell where this picture was found
Goosebumps James.
Wow this is awesome, made my day
If you take the tintype hat, and the tintype mouth and superimpose it on the pic, it's very revealing...It looks just like him. And as Rollin mentioned below, this is the closest pic so far...
Absolutely amazing. I did hear the rumor that a photograph from the Silver City jail was found and possibly Billy, but that was all. I didn’t put much stock into it until now. I believe we have our second picture. Hello Billy, nice to finally have a good look at you.
@@JoyCelebrating The sheriffs department did not take the photo of him, it was taken from him with his possessions. His possessions were not returned because he escaped. I’m very aware that he and Josie were separated, but I don’t believe it’s a photo of his brother. For one thing Billy is just a boy here, and photos were a novelty then, a curiosity for a young boy, something I would imagine was exciting to have. Not something snapped at whim like today and carried by the hundreds in our pockets on our phones. It’s perfectly logical that a young boy would carry a photo of himself. We can’t look at how things were over a 140 years ago and see them as we do today.
@@JoyCelebrating You’ve uncovered a definitive date of the birth of Billy the Kid?
@@JoyCelebrating You have also discovered the birth year of Joseph? People have been debating for decades if he was the older or younger sibling of Billy.
@@JoyCelebrating Oh, Wikipedia! Here I’ve been wasting time reading books by historians. You should have said from the beginning you’re well read on Wikipedia. Stop wasting valuable time with me, get on with your mission of educating the masses. Please don’t let me stand in your way a minute longer, you clearly have important work to do. You know someone who could potentially use someone of your knowledge, a fellow named Dan Edwards, you should introduce yourself.
@@JoyCelebrating Statements from people who knew Billy in New Mexico suggest strongly that he was a bit younger than Pat Garrett and Ash Upson claim. It is solely from their book that we get the 1859 year of birth. It's not a factual claim, more likely agenda driven. The day and month claimed are Upson's birth figures, all too convenient. From statements by fellow children in Silver City to fellow Regulators in Lincoln, it is quite possible- likely in my personal opinion- that Billy was born no earlier than 1860. Could even be 1861. If the former, he may well have been short of his 21st birthday at his July 14, 1881 death. That makes him 14-15 in the year 1875, and he is always described as looking very young. Billy's brother consistently stated he was born in 1863 on census records, in NYC, so that is the best evidence that Joseph was the younger. Joseph would be 11 turning 12 in 1875, and I don't think this picture shows someone that young.
Well Done Sir. I know you would have liked to have kept this information for a later time. However now it is out there and maybe more information on it may come about. Again, Sir the Coalition has a lot to be proud of.
Matt Kedd
Wow
Brushy Bill
Holy Cow Carty, We Gonna Be Rich!!! :))
This is awesome!!! It could very well be him. You know, if you feel it is definitely him, we have the year on paper (1875) and we have AI that can detect ages from facial features in photographs. Don't know how accurate it is, but it's probably in the ballpark. If you could apply that, we could finally know Billy the Kid's age.
It sure looks like him
That’s awesome
That’s him. Same as the tin type.
Oh My God!
IKR?
THATS BILLY..
James ...sent your video here to Denis Gaubert who has two videos on his picture of Billie....I know your picture here is authentic as is Denis's... and my grandfather as a child has same cardigan sweater as pictured in ...I am hoping providence for both thankyou
🌹 RIP Billie ....we called him Bonnie
Gauberts is not Billy and neither is this one.
Looks like his eyes are looking at different directions and is this guy already going gray . It could have been retouched back when it was taken . What year did his mother die ? Maybe it was taken at that time . To me the face seems fat or swelled maybe from crying if it was taken at her death and funeral . Didn’t he get caught stealing a shirt from a laundry at about that time ? All these questions have to be asked . A silver German coin and a one dollar bill . I don’t know let’s let the experts do their thing and then we decide . 😮😅
I think it's him, I'd bet the farm on it.
That is the same Kid that is in the other Silver City photo from Dan , not sure how you can say this is legit but that one isn’t , it’s clearly the same person in both photos
lol this is NOT the same individual in Dans image. His came from Canada. Good grief.
You need to place this video in private mode and only the coaliation members can view. Increase your membership
This isn’t about increasing membership.
Making the video private would mean that anyone who wanted to see it would have to pay and that would put us in the same category as Dan Edwards, who was the charging people to see a photo he claimed to be BTK last year. Keeping this one accessible to everyone is important.
It's not Billy The Kid and the envelope is fake.
This from the guy that’s “authenticated” dozens of BTK photos from his computer in his mom’s basement. It just might be a fake Jim, but you’re the most unqualified person I know to make that statement.
Didn't he also offer to fight you lol
Josh Slatten actually challenged me to fight since his bullying and character attacks on social media didn't have the intended effect.
Watching James Townsend explain how he thinks this is Billy The Kid in this video is very funny.
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The amazing discovery is that James really has no clue what Billy The Kid looked like.
Intriguing for sure. The envelope should be able to be auhenticated beyond any reasonable doubt. The problem will be the photo itself due to the fact that any photo could have been put with the envelope at a more recent time. I do believe it could be him and looking forward to seeing what happens.
Howdy all
Excellent work as always. It certainly would be wonderful if it is Billy in the photo. Looking forward to how this mystery unfolds...Thank you for all your work!
That's definitely exciting in its possibilities!! I would be interested in a survey of respected authors and historians, as to their perspectives on the potential of this being a legitimate photo of Billy the Kid.
I just dont know i wish we had more to go on i wish his mouth was open i need to see his buck teeth
You done awrite I think ! I’d like to talk to you sometime , I’ve been reading every book about Billy
Let's say that's him. Can any of the other pictures allegedly portraying the kid be confirmed? Does any of them bear resemblance to the guy in this picture?
I'd say that this is the most important moment for this channel to date. Regardless of the absolute proof of provenance and authentication effort to be done still, this is without a doubt the most compelling "Billy" picture to come to light, and by the longest of long shots. No other is close. The picture aside, think of the effort it would take to have "faked" the envelope, or the faded Silver City photographer's info on the card opposite in the case. I'm seeing that as a solid element pushing towards authenticity. Sorry that this had to be pushed out before it was ideally ready, but I have faith that you guys will get that job done, one way or the other.
Well said, Rollin!
@@Rollin_L 💯 👍
total agreement
No doubt.. incredible!
Don’t you think he looks older in this picture than the other one . He sure does not look like a 14 or 15 year old boy to me . Of course we all want this to be a new picture of him . If so he must of been proud of his mug to take all those pictures back then . Hell iv only had about 6 pictures of myself to date .
I'm wondering how many of the comments would be so enthusiastic in agreeing that this is a dead ringer for the Kid seen in the famous tintype if this photo had been presented as just another purported BTK pic making its rounds on the web. There is, I believe, a very real possibility that the viewer could be unconsciously influenced by the photo's background information. I am neither implying nor accusing anyone of deceitful intentions here; rather, I'm merely suggesting that this well-known phenomenon is an element to consider when forming an educated opinion. Personally, I find the photo in question no more intriguing than some of the others claiming to be Billy the Kid. Unlike several of the comments I've read here, I see a big difference between the thick eyebrows seen in the well-known tintype and the well-groomed (thinning as they arch toward the cheekbones) eyebrows witnessed in this video. I'm hopeful that the question of authenticity will be answered sooner than later.
The real kid
Very moving video, James.
This photo is remarkable. What came to my mind when you finally revealed the photo was the only other photo we've known to represent the Kid, taken at Fort Sumner.
Two very different portraits: The one you've shown here from Silver City is of a young man who was raised as best as could be by his mother. A face of promise, hope, and a future. Looking at the Fort Sumner photo, we see that the young face has become more rugged. A man who has seen so much violence.
Finally, I'd like to add this very succinct seven-minute video was incredibly moving by all of us who continue to follow the stories of the Kid. Thank you!
Pretty cool! It would be interesting to do an analysis/comparison with the tintype photo for facial measurements, etc.
He doesn't seem to have the odd squint that the tintype does?
I was sceptical right up until I saw the image and within seconds was convinced it’s him. It’s so clearly the same person in the tintype. Such a huge breakthrough and this needs to be handled with care in proving it to the world.
Angus young
More than this, young Henry’s property of a coin and a dollar, 1 year after his mom died. Had to make decisions, had to survive in rough times. So much to the making of this Kid.
This photo matches a photo I have of what looks like some Regulators and the Justice of the Peace John Wilson. The photo matches this person at 94%
This us a super exciting day for everyone who is fascinated with the whole subject and the times that Billy the Kid.
The envelope is more interesting than the photo.....at first glance l don't see it...but you're the expert not me
The more I look, the more it looks like him...and it's the only 'second photo' of him I've seen that looks convincing. And that envelope!
Very interesting
That is him. The ears, the face, the body type. The whole package in the casing.
A clear version of the tintype taken years later.
Is that a beard?
🎇🎇🎇 Mind blown!!!! Awesome photo! ✨
I have no doubt thats the same person in the tintype of Billy! Same eyes, nose, eyebrows, chin, bottom lip and jaw line... and strangely sloped shoulders!
The jawline, mouth, nose and eyebrows appear to be a good match. Difficult to assess the ears from this angle, but they appear promising.
I believe it's Kid amigo. It is very important finding thanks for sharing .
That hope that we’ve all had, that somewhere there existed another photo of him with provenance, finally shows promise. This gets me excited and my imagination running full speed. I’ve often wondered if there may be a photo of him while jailed in Mesilla for his trial and this certainly leaves hope. I’m looking forward to seeing more research and maybe opinions from Ben and Josh as well. Awesome!
😍 just amazing
This is better than any other claims , and looks more like Billy , it’s hard to see on the mouth because one pic being slightly open and one closed it looks totally differnt . But I think the features all match. Specially the eyebrows
Wow 🤯 very intriguing and such a feather in your cap James and the coalition to investigate. Outstanding
This kind of a "feather" is unfortunate and not what we wanted at this time, sadly. What we wanted was to do justice to this photo by presenting it to the public with the research it deserves behind it. We were saddened by the turn of events that forced our hand to go ahead and publish this while we are still in the process of vetting it. But, on a positive note, perhaps opening up the issue to everyone will expand our knowledge base and resources. We all get to find out if this is legit together.
Absolutely brilliant
Holy cow!!! This is a big deal! Yall keep on going. Thanks for all the hard work
Wow this is amazing! I hope you get a nat geo show on this to help with more research resources and technology.
We will take any route the owner of the photo wants to take regarding the authentication of the photo. We just want to do justice to real history. TV shows aren't really on our radar.
Hmm, that is very interesting. Even a very slight protrusion of the upper lip from the front teeth. Proportions of the facial features look like he could have matured into the Billy of the famous tintype. BTW, Billy's shoulders aren't quite as sloped as they appear in the tintype. Stand in front of a mirror completely relaxed and look at your shoulder slope, width, and hips. Memorize their width and slope. Now, look at Billy's feet in the tintype and place your feet identically to his. Bend your left knee slightly and lean forward on a rifle with your left hand (or a broom if you don't have a rifle). Now put your right forearm all the way back behind your holster. Look at your sloped right shoulder and protruding right hip. For further proof, mirror the right side (Billy's left - rifle side) of the tintype mapped over to the left half of the tin type (Billy's right - holster side) and Billy's shoulders are square and proportional for a wiry 5 foot 6, 130 lb outlaw wearing cold weather layered pants.
I hope some of you try standing in the exact pose. The actor in The Kid (2019) had the stance almost correct, except for the foot placement and weight distribution with the left knee slightly bent and right hip kicked out a bit. Dane DeHaan played Billy very close to what I think it he was like - charming, loyal, extremely dangerous when cornered.
Excellent info, Paul. Thanks for that.
@@chasingbilly You're welcome. Josh - I emailed you a few photos to make it easier to visualize what I'm talking about.
That's so exciting!!! I really hope that this is the real deal!! Great work 😃
Djeez! Seen a lot of acclaimed Billy photographs, but i got the shivers this time... The only thing that seems odd to me, is the logo and font on the envelope. Doesn't look like 1875, but hey... Who am i! But the photo got me thrilled! Damn!
your delivery of these videos brings a gravity wholly apposite to the occasion, while not overbearing. good stuff :)
this certainly looks like the (supposed) photo of him said to have been taken after the funeral of john tunstall, where he is wearing the black frock coat that garrett said he used to wear. standing along with brewer, sally chisum, susan mcsween, juan patron et al...
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Thanks so much for ypur support!
Tremendous!
That looks like a newer style of writing . Like what I was taught in the 1970s .
It’s two faces put together . Even the clothes are off and he has a double chin with bumps at the chin . His shoulders look 3 inches wide and were are the buttons that should be center were are they at . It’s almost as if he has a towel over the front and the black square around neck . What’s that supposed to be . Also this man can grow a beard .😮
Looks legit……fantastic find …….
If all this is real, it's definitely him. I just hope it's not faked.
I think this is going to start a whole new obsession for what us and what us not a legitimate photo of Billy the Kid. The reason I say that is in this picture Billy looks a lot more like the guy in some of the alleged photos than he does in the authenticated tintype of Billy.
It will certainly be fun to look at all the other contenders in light of this new photo.
Lol cardigan kid james ty woooohooooo.....grgrand and grand....family resemblance.... some called Billie we called Bonnie... wish gale get off high horse of done and continue doing forensics
Snacks & 🥃🍾 ready! 👍🤠
It's only a 7 minute video lol
@@chasingbilly😂oh well I'll open the champagne now then! 🥂🍾Cheers 🥂
That's right misty
Out of all the (this is Billy the Kid ) photos I’ve ever seen, this photo sure looks like a young Billy the Kid in my humble opinion!!
It’s two faces put together . Even the clothes are off and he has a double chin with bumps at the chin . His shoulders look 3 inches wide and were are the buttons that should be center were are they at . It’s almost as if he has a towel over the front and the black square around neck . What’s that supposed to be . Also this man can grow a beard .😮
Thats him , the eyes , the nose , the mouth, and the ear lobes are unattached , mouth closed is hiding bucs , and has same facial scar as tintype !!
Where the facial scar at