I'll always love how in the background once they port to MU Azeroth you just see Saberon and Botani run off. And while the Saberon probably aren't an issue, if those Botani ever got a setup going they could become an absolutely devastating problem
So now Azeroth has an invasive species problem. The Goren may cause some havoc in the mines ‘n’ stuff. But hey, at least they might keep the local Troggs and Kobolds in check. As for the Botani, yeah, they will probably cause a few issues. But on the other hand, they may turn the Barrens and Durotar into a place that is actually habitable. And as for the Saberon, I don’t think they’ll be too big of a problem. I mean hey, we already have Quillboar and Centaurs to deal with. And maybe they’ll keep those buggers in check too.
(Oh Yrel. What have they done to you?) I'm a bit peeved that Geya'rah doesn't have Durotan's axe. Also, pretty disappointing that Draka isn't present in this scenario. All that said, good to see Blizzard acknowleding Garrosh was a wasted potential (5:30).
I enjoyed this quest line, but I really missed at least a phew voice lines, about the axe I guess Draka have it, and as her daughter said there are still many thousands of mhag’ar in Nagrand, so maybe in a patch we will return there and fight the Inquisition, I mean Lightbound
And i'm also dissapointed, i'm almost sure that Grom is dead. Durotan aswell. Before the scenario i was like "hell yeah! The horde's getting back two legendary heroes. Nope, blizzard kills them off to replace them with Geya'rah...
Lets be honest, allied races are kind of meant to be just addons, bringing in Durotan AND Grommash would be too many characters to keep current and still active without eventually killing them off, so might as well do it now in a cinematic way.
Neri how so? This religion is basically christianity in the middle ages. They didn't need an another game when they already have a worse source... reality.
Jacky Ng I thing the Light and the Void aren't evil. Evil are some of they servants. And one evil naaru now manipulating with Yrel. Like N'zoth with Deathwing. It looks we will fight both of them in next expansion.
@@Ultimaton100 When has the Alliance ever tried to commit genocide?There have been some shady moments in the history of the Alliance but never genocide
@@nickathanas1898 Debatable. Arthas, an Alliance Prince began his genocide for the good of his people. Then there's Velen, who sacrificed millions as he played cat and mouse with the Legion. He knew what would become of any world they were caught hiding on. He may regret those deaths, but he still allowed entire worlds to perish so his people could survive.
@@BrigadierNS Holding the current Alliance responsible for the action of a bigoted bastard like Garithos doesn't make much sense I think. Besides Garithos never took his orders from SW. At the point in history the Alliance of Lordaeron didn't even exist Garithos was just a Warlord who managed to gather enough support to declare himself leader of the "Alliance"
Be hilarious and amazing if the Botani turned all the Barrens into a beautiful and plentiful paradise by the time the war ends. Heh y'all can keep Ashenvale now!
24:29 you can see multiple Saberon who accidentally got teleported too running away. I think they are gonna be an allied race some day (same rig as Worgens).
What irritates me the most (apart from the lack of voice acting, but that's also a problem in the war campaign so I guess there's no helping it) is that they didn't even change the skin color of the lightbound orcs, just slapped some lightforged armor on them, and call it a day. Same with Yrel, they didn't even bother to give her a lightforged skin - it pains me how sloppy this whole scenario looks. And of course, Grom has a Random Orc Guy #26327 voice, because why not, right? Dat'z just sad, dat iz :( Hopefuly it's just beta?
Whoever said the lightbound orcs suffered a lightforged transformation? Geya'rah just said they are orcs who are converted to the light. Infact it is much better they didn't suffer a transformation. The "I use a magic power I transform" thing is rather dumb imo.
Well, it was my assumption based on what Xe'ra tried to do to Illidan and most importantly based on what Geya'rah says after mentioning willing converts - "others had the Light forced upon them". To me it confirms the transformation thingy, but on second thought, blizzard is rather inconsistant with how exactly it works - we know that a dread lord and draenei changes skin color and begins to glow and all this, but Turalyon didn't visibly change after being lightforged. So I suppose these orcs could remain brown? Still doesn't make it seems less sloppy imo, but my expectations could've been too high :P
Illidan was mostly fel and demon at that point. I doubt the orcs would require such transformations since they are... pure. However, I do agree on Yrel and the draenei should use the light-forged models. Also why and how do they acquired those mechs and ballistas are beyond me. The remodeled Draenor, however, was a nice touch.
*Blizzard be like* BFA will release 1 month earlier! everyone cheer! *Release date* Sorry for the bugs people, our developers can be clumsy "sometimes"
Would be nice to see the Ogron and Gronn/Gronnling and Ogres roaming around Orgrimmar as guards or whatever or at least see them being used against the alliance. I mean what would be more bad ass to have giant cyclopian war machines and brutes like the ogres and ogronn used against the alliance.
We haven't seen Ogron, to my knowledge at least, but there are a few Ogres that are allied with the Horde and the Mag'har brought some Gronn war machines over from their timeline. I think you can see them in the Horde outpost in Stormsong Valley. Though they are very few in number, some Gronn are allied with the Horde.
@@jsc1jake512 The Ogron came with the Mag'har. I dunno about the Outland Gronn though, I think the Black Dragonflight either enslaved them or killed em off.
12:22 "Heroes from my world once freed yours from the grip of tyrants. Now Azeroth faces similar threat, so we have come to ask repayment of that debt" Seriously, Eitrigg? Comparing the tirany of demonic fel warchief orcs with the Alliance's rivalry? SERIOUSLY?
Does anyone not realize that we just transported Gronn, Botani and Saberon back to Azeroth with us? You can see the Botani and Saberon running away towards the Barrens. They may be back someday...
That’s gonna bite the Horde in the ass later down the line. Roaming tribes of Saberon raiding caravans, And Botani kidnapping peons and travelers to mind control and use as fertilizer
Kor'gall is the same guy which Rexxar had to fight in warcraft 3, to get the Stonemaul Ogres help the horde fight Admiral Proudmoore nice flashback by blizzard :D
The one in the main timeline didn't *try*, he actually *did* commit genocide. Then tried to do it again. At least the alternate one got an earlier chance to redeem himself, and by all appearances, he made the best of that chance under the circumstances.
I’ve endlessly dreamed As I waited for today Felt like this moment would never come But here I am With a trembling breath I quietly closed my eyes All preparations are done Now it’s time to step forward The sound of my heart is about to explode When I get lost in the sound of the cheers Towards that faraway place I am rising up Placing behind the yesterdays When I countlessly fell You’re calling out to me When I run out of breath You raise me up So I can’t stop I countlessly doubted Asking if this was the right path Sweat falling from my forehead It pulled me together Inside the spilling cheers If I take a step forward Towards that faraway place I am rising up You’re calling out to me I’m following that light (Louder louder) Call my name (Farther farther) So I can go Endless tears gather To become one in this moment Towards that faraway place I am rising up again The moment I’ve always drawn out Is right in front of me It took so long But for you, who has waited I can’t stop For our dream I am rising up
I play Alliance but what happend on Draenor is unsettling ... I always wanted to see the Draenei victorious against the Orcs and well I saw it now but I have never imagined it would be like this .... it is the entire story in reverse .... Yrel is Draenei version of Gul'dan/Ner'zhul and Naaru is the light version of Kil'Jaeden
Mestrehunter Except it’s not just Grom. The majority of the Orcs being subjected to these atrocities were born AFTER the events in WoD, and therefore there is no justification for the Draenei to seek vengeance on them even if that were the motivation.
@@Ultimaton100it's not vengeance. They truly believe they are doing the good thing. Spreading christianity..... Err I meant spreading the light upon the orcs.
Ilidan teached Velen that he can be blinded by the light, and faith isn't all. The nature of the Draenei make their faith into a weakness and if it is exaltated you have either void, manari eredar or Yrel . Look even Xe'ra, forcing Ilidan to be pure, even tho Mag'har Orcs are doing their nature without fel magic. Even with the dualism of Horde and Aliance you can see it's leaders doing very bad things, forcing as a dictatorship and doing war crimes from both sides. But still on Warcraft lore nothing is more " human like ", free and pure than Thrall's Horde.
Sr Lax Yep, I like to see someone gettin right the lore now, is not bad writting. I love it, maybe the Horde has done terrible thing but so the Alliance, and even worst some of the members and races are people that hate others by the mistakes of centuries ago, and the Horde don’t care about that
It was the corrupted orcs that killed the draenei, but IF both the orcs and dranei united to fight the legion back in draenor this is what would happen instead.
“Why did Blizzard have one of our heroes do a complete 180 turn off-screen?! Terrible writing!” D:< - Alliance fans “Oh no, what a nightmare.” -_- - Horde fans
I'm mostly Horde and I liked the WoD Yrel. It's heartbreaking to see her fall from grace like this. But in true Horde spirit, it also means she's fair game now.
Buaidh no Bàs There has been no change in the Sunwell anytime recently. It is still empowered by a Naaru after the Sunwell raid came to an end and M'uru empowered it with its essence. That is why Blood Elves can now have golden eyes: Due to the Sunwell being powered by the Light via the Naaru.
BrandSilven, It's still different. M'uru was dying anyway, it sacrificed its last bit of life to the Sunwell, BE's weren't siphoning off it's power anymore. Because we all know what happens to a Naa'ru upon death.
Looking back upon this scenario, the situation where Alternate Draenor is dying has left me with some questions. I mean obviously, the Lightbound blame the Mag'har for this and the Mag'har blame the Lightbound. It seems to be very unlikely either side was responsible, though... like there is a third power in play looking to play the Mag'har and the Lightbound against each other. I mean just look at the sky on Draenor... it's a sickly, cloudy green. The magic of the Mag'har would pretty much be derived from the same shamanic traditions as their ancestors... I figure the Frostwolves would have made up most of the shamans at that point since the Shadowmoon ones turned to Void and fell alongside Ner'zhul, the Bleeding Hollow ones embraced the fel and met their end at Hellfire Citadel and I while they would certainly have their shamans, they would not be the most prevalent influence of their clans in the Blackrock, Warsong, Shattered Hand and Laughing Skull. Point is, I don't think any Mag'har shaman would have done anything to have caused this. As for the Lightbound... well... obviously the one and only power they wield whether they be Draenei, orc or ogre is The Light. We see now in Revendreth what a place killed by The Light looks like in the Ember Ward. Sky radiates golden beams of light and the ground is ash. So what's happening to Draenor can't have been them either... even if it's not at the point where the ground turns to ash, the sky would still be gold and radiant in colour... not cloudy and sickly green. The theory I work with right now is that it is the forces of Death who are behind this. That sickly, cloudy green in the sky looks a lot like the most common colour seen in Maldraxxus. After all, the Jailer has had allies in Maldraxxus for quite some time (they're probably even responsible for the Primus' disappearance), among them the House of Rituals under Kel'thuzad's influence. The war between the Lightbound and the Mag'har, like the 4th War back in Azeroth would send countless souls to The Maw. So why not an agent of the Maw directly? Perhaps the Jailer was not yet ready to show his hand. Which is why proxies from another afterlife got involved instead.
On wowhead there's a commenter who theorizes that the timeline is simply dying off. There is dialogue somewhere in WoW, I believe from a bronze dragon, that says the timeline is meant to fade eventually. Parts of it can be salvaged (anything brought from that timeline into our own), but anything left in the timeline should, one day, disappear entirely if left alone. I think this makes the most sense. Neither side realizes their world is simply doomed to fade because of the means by which it was accessed. This alternate timeline was a byproduct of a foolish member of the bronze dragonflight using an artifact they had no business accessing. Maybe they pulled their timeline out of place with the artifact or maybe the timeline only existed after the artifact was used. One thing we do know is it's not possible to access it without great effort and time seemed to have passed since we were there last, showing that either time moves faster or it is now aligned with our time and moved forward several years to coincide with our world's place in the timeline.
@@Lucifronz We travelled back in time during Warlords of Draenor. 35 years, I believe, because of Kairozdormu. He wished to travel to a Draenor that was still at its prime, so that he could recruit an Iron Horde at its full strength. On the other hand, when traveling to Draenor in THIS quest line we don't do any time travelling at all. We simply hop to that alternate timeway, at the exact same point we are currently at. So the Mag'har Orcs see us appear 35 years in the future.
My theory is that the Botani were killed off by the Naaru empowered Draenei in their crusade. The Botani and the other races balanced each other out in their respective ecosystems. The Botani were necessary to keep the planet alive.
People say Yrel is evil, however it is simply the case of exact opposite happening. Original Draenor: Orcs drink demon blood of Mannoroth and annihilate Draenei. Velen is alive until he is forced to flee with his people to another world. AU Draenor: That Legion is defeated and the Orcs remain uncorrupted. With the Legion gone, the Light has free reign. Yrel naturally accepts because she watched and listed to Velen praise the Light and the Naaru. He even gave his life to save a Naaru. To Yrel, they're the ultimate good. So they get empowered by the Light. Annihilate the Orcs. The Orcs are alive until they are forced to flee with their people to another world. They mirror each other in nearly every aspect. My personal input, Velen's death in AU Draenor made a big difference. Had Velen lived, he would have been there to guide the Draenei. I hope they don't just say "AU Draenor, Yrel, and everything else just faded away." That further diminishes the entirety of WoD, and it wastes some good characters.
@@corbin_4738 I made my original comment here 3 years ago... and it still hasn't aged at all, because we are no closer to the answer as to why AU Draenor is dying, due to how much of a mess Shadowlands turned out to be and how much of a hurry Blizzard was in to end it. Dragonflight didn't go there because Dragonflight was all about the dragons and their Primalist Incarnate former brethren. It's also not looking like the Worldsoul Saga is going to be going there either, with The War Within taking place deep underground in Azeroth, with the Void being built up as the upcoming Big Bad, which we confront in Quel'thalas in Midnight. The Last Titan will take place in Northrend and is obviously going to be about Titan stuff. I'm not holding my breath for the Mag'har story's loose ends to be tied up any time soon.
So now Azeroth has Saberon, Botani and Goren running around now, since some of them crossed the portal alongside the Mag’har orcs. Great, just what the planet needs. Some invasive species. On the upside though, perhaps the Botani can turn Durotar and the Barrens into an actually livable place.
Yep, but even before those audios it was pretty evident how the light works. Light was never "good", it's about order and the strength of ones beliefs. Light answers to conviction, that's why a good character like Anduin or Velen can wield the light the same way as the fanatical Scarlet Crusade, the death knight Sir Zeliek and even some forsaken can use it.
By all means, tell me what they say on audio, I can't listen it right now. Throughout the history of warcraft lore, it has been stated that there must always be balance between light and shadow. Overwhelmed both of forces corrupts so light can definitely be evil. In this case the light has corrupted the dranei and other entities to believe that there must only be the light and everything else must be purged.
MMT399561 Well I won’t worry about the saberon, they’re intelligent hunters but not something to worry too much, but oh boi the botani can give a lot of trouble, trying to revive their culture on the whole planet
tbh, I´d love to have them playable. I know, it will require a lot of new lore n stuff, but I think they are very unique and interesting, something that the allied race system is basically made to give us. Same reason I´d love to have mogu playable as well.
The Mag'har Overlord straight up says she wants to grind all alliance cities into the dust just because the Draenei are part of the Alliance. So honorably slaughtering people or leaving them homeless is ok?
What bothers me with this questline is not the Dranei becoming crusaders/fanatics, Iit is the fact that it is kind of slapped as a single scenario and could have been a whole zone for the horde and alliance to fight as a warfront. This whole expansion feels like Blizzard had too many ideas and could not implement them all effectively. The nagas/N'Zoth should have been an expansion by themselves instead of a final patch.
We can clearly see in the dialogue how Sylvanas can be replaced in the future. Note how they only say "the Warchief" and not Sylvanas name. So I'm calling it, it's bound to happen. Even the voice dialogue seem to fit in if another Warchief stands there in near future.
I think the explanation here is simple: Remember how people got the rep so fast that Blizz was caught off-guard, as the races still had beta locks on them? What if this is the same problem- its the beta, Blizz probably was still tweaking it a bit and thought it would take a bit longer for people to get exalted but were taken back by people already getting to exalted that they just threw it out for people to do. This would explain a lot of things like some of the glitches, lack of voice acting (in a majority of it) and music- though the music might just be turned off by the player. So I say: maybe they'll have a small patch where they update the scenarios with complete, VA'd and fun scenarios. .... Or this is actually the final product, and this is a red herring about this expansions fate.
Grommash: -WE WILL NEVER BE SLAVES! Draenei: -Yes... Haha! Where are the all orc from Draenor? There is one small city during siedge by Draenei RIP Grommash again [*] In future we will play one of these ogron i am right?
A new army of the light... do you think they will be coming for us someday? (and yes, us, there are void elves in the alliance, so the guys in blue are also a target) and this light mother, could be alter timeline Xe'ra?
Look At This Dude that ship already sailed for both factions. The Alliance has conquered in a bloody and brutal way, and Sylvanas has committed genocide. That’s *why* I’m asking people to remember what Grom stood for you twat. He stood for winning because you are truly better than your opponent, not because of some trick or luck or cheat. Not because you have a weapon your opponent doesn’t, say. If someone is going to win this war I hope they will win because they are actually stronger, smarter and more capable. If no one is going to win, then I hope it won’tbe because of some bullshit contrivance but because the Alliance and Horde are evenly matched. I’m done with Deus Ex Machina’s and contrived storylines with obvious gameplay reasons. Conflict is fine, good even. Conquest is fine from a narrative perspective as long as the character has a reasonable motivation for it. Genocide would have been more narratively acceptable if it had been done differently. It’s a war story, people are going to get their hands dirty. Atrocities are going to happen: they always do in war. That’s why peace is something worth seeking.
ROFL "exarch hellscream" the soon of grom an exarch .... haha, looking for dreanor garrosh saying "for teh light " standing near anduin could be soooo fun
Is this scenario suppose to be without voice acting or is it just unfinished and will be updated? Becouse I just got exalted at Honorbound and I dont know if I should do it right now or wait for a update.
Bronze Dragon: "Had I any doubt, I wouldn't put the fragment of time in the wrong hands. Not again." Alliance: "...Err, you do know why they're using that fragment, I hope? Do you even know who their Warchief is at the moment?"
yes they do, they do know about the future and how history goes in different timelines which means a characters being good or evil is not really important for the bronze dragonflight at all
But using the fragment of time to bring an army from another time line into the current timeline seems like a grievous misuse of their role as custodians of time. You could definitely say that he has let it fall in the wrong hands the moment he gave it to them.
Considering Azshara and N'zoth are very likely to play key parts of this expansion, it's likely the Bronze Dragons know they the Mag'har will be needed in the fight against the void.
considering that this is the concept of Time we're talking about, the bronze dragons could be pulling a doctor strange by going with the 'There is no other way" move when it comes to the end game of azeroth
I'm confused... What's the relation between the Lightbound and Army of the Light? Yrel talks about Xe'ra like she's still alive, and there's actual naaru fighting alongside them in Gorgrond. Are the naaru just... evil now? Ugh. This isn't how you do morally grey, Blizzard.
Yrel mentions how the Light Mother granted her visions in the Sermon of the High Exarch. As for valid reasons, well... see: all of WoD. But still, it feels like they're trying to portray the naaru as overly zealous tyrants out of nowhere, just to try and put an edgy spin on the Light.
Yeah, Scarlet Crusade was that done right. This is just hamfisted at best. There's a difference between showing the good and bad of a force and turning a group of characters evil for no good reason.
+Skirdus They're not evil. But, to give a big example here. Look at Turalyon and his Lightforged army and The Scarlet Crusade. They are the very definitions of overzealous, light revering beings. What's happening with the Naaru is more of them trying their own ways of combating the void and all that they deem to be "evil" and "unholy". Their (the extreme side of the Naaru) method of doing this is subjugating those with their message of being enlightened willingly or by force to combat the void (and Void lords) that seeks to consume to physical universe. The Void (the extreme users of its power and the void itself) does it more subtly through things such as whispers to convert various races to their cause against the light by taking advantage of their fears and doubts. Both sides view each other as the enemy that must be stopped and both lure people and various races to their cause by claiming to know the true path and what is right, when in reality, both just want to use these races for their war against each other kind of like the Legion when they offer lesser races power and a peaceful future when all they really want to do is use them for a temporary cause and toss them to the side when they're finished. So, tl;dr. They just represent the extreme side of things concerning light worshippers. Their intensions are good, but the way that they act on them is the opposite, but they're so infatuated with their beliefs to the point where they blurr the line between right and wrong. A.K.A. morally grey.
Yeah the problem is that naaru were never like this prior to Legion. They used to accept the balance of light and void, whereas now they're completely the opposite. That's called character assassination
No one ever said The Naaru were good. What, you think just because factions of Light helped us defeat common enemies they're good? No. The Light and The Naaru are simply another faction of power in the universe and with OUR help they're almost unchallenged to take it over. Look at Xe'ra and illidan, the Light may not want to destroy us, but they do want to convert us.
Was watching a lot of tutorials that were filmed during beta where Eitrigg gave you the quest in grommash hold. Had a random quest still visible on the map in tiragarde sound and after I saw the quest marker in the Orgrimmar Embassy. Definitely face palmed after that.
Man these fights are pretty tough. I'm doing them as a 307 ilevel so yeah. With drums, a flask and healing potions I just killed Gul'dan after tweaking some of my talents to be more useful to the fight. I hope the next 2 will go well for me as well.
As far as I'm concerned, the Lightbound are the Draenei's payback for the Iron Horde (and they can't blame demon corruption for that). 26:23 If honor is everything to them, they'd have been better off joining Yrel.
when sylvanes asked about honor to the maghar it was like she was hoping: not another saurfang please....but then boom bitch.... saurfang but in female version
I kinda feel like they weren't expecting anyone to get to these yet so there's no voices and stuff and it all feels kinda incomplete. Hope they go back and remedy that.
You gotta wonder how many of our timeline Orcs are still left alive. You can assume a large part of them died during the Siege of Orgrimmar . Than the Iron Horde incursion along with the war against the Legion.... Orcs might actually be a endangered race now
Bigouini I don't know man, I think they've begin to repopulate slowly. Elves are very smart, pick and chose their fights. Orcs get a hard on for blood and glorious death on a battlefield. Which is fine.... if your species isn't about to go extinct
don't worry, most of the orcs that die during siege of orgrimmar were blackrocks and dragonmaws that garrosh recruited, the core horde strengh didn't actually suffer much.
from lore stats, they say that Orcs and Humans Breed like "rabbits" (they say this even in wod starting scenario) thats why they are the bulk force of the faction, and yhea orcs are adults around 14 Years old.
Xerocoo You know Kingdom of Stormwind only fits in 3 ships after Orcs have conquered it as you can see on the Chronicles 2 Art. Since Theramore too have Mana Bombed there isn’t that much Human left. Gilneas population before they became Worgen, got Blighted and died. There isn’t much Gilnean. 3/2 of the Draenei(Eredar) have joined the Legion and others have died on the genocide at Draenor. Go Hellfire you can see the skulls. Probably %70 of the Draenei have died. There isn’t much left, also Lightforged are crew probably has 50 members, a normal Draenei can become a Lightforged but this doesn’t changes population. Night Elven City has burned and there isn’t that much Night Elf left since War of Thorns, Sylvanas probably did killed every Night Elf she saw. And at the Battle for Lordaeron, Sylvanas trapped all Alliance Army and Blighted them all. Anduin and others may have survived but people who followed Anduin in to city? They all have died.
Not just Mag'hars, but Gronns and Ogron's, too. Say what you will, but the Horde just became a bit more savage... also the Saberon and Botani fleeing in the background are at last a nice gimmick, if not more.
+Bland Bald Nobody just because you try to comprehend shitty lazy non-sensical chaotic writing doesn't mean its not messy if you make sense of it. Just means you accept its messy and then consider that normal. But thats called normalization of crap.
@@fildariusv7045 No one talking about old lore we talk about current state of the game story. And, by the way, story and lore are not entirely the same.
this was like.. really bad. makes no sense and horribly lazy considering theres no voice acting. how do you have the orc lady say voicelines when you click on her but not have her actually voice any of her lines in the actual scenario. wtf.
Yeah what redmoon said. They just got lazy, and it seems weird since its not like VO lines will cost them a fortune, since if i believe they got mark addy to voice daelin proudmoore, and the fact indira varma voices katherine proudmoore (2 well known people from GoT) they can afford to fo VO lines for the campaignd
Each new character requires new actor/actress or different actor/actress and that can push costs up. Prob easy way for them to cut corners in terms of how much they spend on VO talent. If it is super important characters, then they splurge. But maybe they didn't feel these chars where that important to spend the $ on
They are what you call no lifes. People that can park there ass for more then 2 hours cause they don't have any important things to do. That being said I just hit lvl 120 lmao. Update my dudes. Still no where near exalted I might get exalted in 2 more months but at least I'm gettin $$
Blizz have just pointed us something. In our universe the Burning Legion won on Draenor, most draenei were killed, some of them became ashtoungue deathsworn, who couldn't call the light anymore. On AU Draenor Burning Legion was defeated and draenei became more fanatic in their belief in the Light. Well, this is not that special to notice, but an interesting thing.
Lantresor with a mining pick. Well played, Blizzard.
He knew his destiny...
yuri moiraghi I don't get it
Lentro Zenoi in WoD he as a follower had mining and you could assign him to the garrisons mine. Now he fully embraced what everyone used him for.
Yet he didn't recognize garrison commander, the one who had given it to him. Weird.
@@emetanti thanks for clearing that up
I'll always love how in the background once they port to MU Azeroth you just see Saberon and Botani run off. And while the Saberon probably aren't an issue, if those Botani ever got a setup going they could become an absolutely devastating problem
So now Azeroth has an invasive species problem.
The Goren may cause some havoc in the mines ‘n’ stuff.
But hey, at least they might keep the local Troggs and Kobolds in check.
As for the Botani, yeah, they will probably cause a few issues.
But on the other hand, they may turn the Barrens and Durotar into a place that is actually habitable.
And as for the Saberon, I don’t think they’ll be too big of a problem.
I mean hey, we already have Quillboar and Centaurs to deal with. And maybe they’ll keep those buggers in check too.
(Oh Yrel. What have they done to you?)
I'm a bit peeved that Geya'rah doesn't have Durotan's axe. Also, pretty disappointing that Draka isn't present in this scenario.
All that said, good to see Blizzard acknowleding Garrosh was a wasted potential (5:30).
rip my warchief
I enjoyed this quest line, but I really missed at least a phew voice lines, about the axe I guess Draka have it, and as her daughter said there are still many thousands of mhag’ar in Nagrand, so maybe in a patch we will return there and fight the Inquisition, I mean Lightbound
Pariah They do care about lore, let’s just think that “Well new patch almost confirmed”
And i'm also dissapointed, i'm almost sure that Grom is dead. Durotan aswell. Before the scenario i was like "hell yeah! The horde's getting back two legendary heroes. Nope, blizzard kills them off to replace them with Geya'rah...
Lets be honest, allied races are kind of meant to be just addons, bringing in Durotan AND Grommash would be too many characters to keep current and still active without eventually killing them off, so might as well do it now in a cinematic way.
No one expects the Draenei inquisition
im 100% sure the person who wrote this story played Dragon Age Inquisition and thought it was a good idea
Neri how so? This religion is basically christianity in the middle ages. They didn't need an another game when they already have a worse source... reality.
Dont confuse Christians with catholics they are not the same, catholics are servents to the will of corrupt men.
Same thing really. They are all just a religion with an imagined bearded guy.
Jacky Ng I thing the Light and the Void aren't evil. Evil are some of they servants. And one evil naaru now manipulating with Yrel. Like N'zoth with Deathwing. It looks we will fight both of them in next expansion.
Grommash is such a nice guy! It always makes you forget that 30 years before that he was trying to commit genocide on everyone on Draenor.
Eh, nothing the Alliance and now the AU Draenei as well haven’t done.
@@Ultimaton100 When has the Alliance ever tried to commit genocide?There have been some shady moments in the history of the Alliance but never genocide
@@nickathanas1898 Did you forget what they where going to do to kael'thas?
@@nickathanas1898 Debatable. Arthas, an Alliance Prince began his genocide for the good of his people. Then there's Velen, who sacrificed millions as he played cat and mouse with the Legion. He knew what would become of any world they were caught hiding on. He may regret those deaths, but he still allowed entire worlds to perish so his people could survive.
@@BrigadierNS Holding the current Alliance responsible for the action of a bigoted bastard like Garithos doesn't make much sense I think. Besides Garithos never took his orders from SW.
At the point in history the Alliance of Lordaeron didn't even exist Garithos was just a Warlord who managed to gather enough support to declare himself leader of the "Alliance"
"WE CANT SEND TROOPS TO HELP THE OFF-WORLDERS WHEN WE HAVE OUR OWN ENEMIES!"
"I dont need help but okay."
24:30
Botani running away
"hehe, we're in danger!"
5:23 Garrosh best Warchief Confirm
yeah if you ignore what he says after, sure.
In many other timelins apparently he was yes. But in ours he was the worst possible Garrosh we could of gotten.
Garrosh is so overrated.
Not in our timeline
24:30
You guys see the Saberon and Botani running off in the background?
Yep, best believe they will play a part very very SOON!
I didn't even see the Goren.
Be hilarious and amazing if the Botani turned all the Barrens into a beautiful and plentiful paradise by the time the war ends. Heh y'all can keep Ashenvale now!
Still waiting
* chuckles *
we're in danger!
If honor is *everything* to the Mag’ar, they are not gonna like Sylvanas very much
Agreed
They probably didn't after they got to know her methods.
Funny because Geya'rah was the only one who really approved of Baine's incarceration
19:25 Illidan would be proud
INDEEEED!!!!
ahhahahahahahha :D
all that for what is effectively a garrison hearthstone... nice.
24:29 you can see multiple Saberon who accidentally got teleported too running away. I think they are gonna be an allied race some day (same rig as Worgens).
Um 24:29 at top left and right. Did we just bring back the Botani and Saberon to Azeroth?
Yep.
And the Alliance is once again to blame.
What irritates me the most (apart from the lack of voice acting, but that's also a problem in the war campaign so I guess there's no helping it) is that they didn't even change the skin color of the lightbound orcs, just slapped some lightforged armor on them, and call it a day. Same with Yrel, they didn't even bother to give her a lightforged skin - it pains me how sloppy this whole scenario looks. And of course, Grom has a Random Orc Guy #26327 voice, because why not, right? Dat'z just sad, dat iz :( Hopefuly it's just beta?
Whoever said the lightbound orcs suffered a lightforged transformation? Geya'rah just said they are orcs who are converted to the light. Infact it is much better they didn't suffer a transformation. The "I use a magic power I transform" thing is rather dumb imo.
Well, it was my assumption based on what Xe'ra tried to do to Illidan and most importantly based on what Geya'rah says after mentioning willing converts - "others had the Light forced upon them". To me it confirms the transformation thingy, but on second thought, blizzard is rather inconsistant with how exactly it works - we know that a dread lord and draenei changes skin color and begins to glow and all this, but Turalyon didn't visibly change after being lightforged. So I suppose these orcs could remain brown? Still doesn't make it seems less sloppy imo, but my expectations could've been too high :P
Illidan was mostly fel and demon at that point. I doubt the orcs would require such transformations since they are... pure. However, I do agree on Yrel and the draenei should use the light-forged models. Also why and how do they acquired those mechs and ballistas are beyond me. The remodeled Draenor, however, was a nice touch.
GG blizz..... we lose Durotan and Grom again.
it's obvious they are going to bring him back as a Lightbound warrior when they figure out how to open a portal maybe 4-5 expansion down the line
This game won't last that much, rather 2-3.
We never had them back.
It's better this way. They should remain dead.
Draenor Garrosh was never born. Groms wife died before she gave birth.
No voice acting?
SMALL INDIE COMPANY
I feel like they didn't expect people to get here so fast. Even grom's voice was some generic orc.
They didn't voice act the War Campaign either which I thought was disgusting.
*Blizzard be like*
BFA will release 1 month earlier! everyone cheer!
*Release date*
Sorry for the bugs people, our developers can be clumsy "sometimes"
ffs Blizzard
One off content that is using/reusing in game art. Not really expecting VO. Now let's see how the Warfront goes.
Would be nice to see the Ogron and Gronn/Gronnling and Ogres roaming around Orgrimmar as guards or whatever or at least see them being used against the alliance. I mean what would be more bad ass to have giant cyclopian war machines and brutes like the ogres and ogronn used against the alliance.
Probably got way to few of them in numbers to do that right now
We haven't seen Ogron, to my knowledge at least, but there are a few Ogres that are allied with the Horde and the Mag'har brought some Gronn war machines over from their timeline. I think you can see them in the Horde outpost in Stormsong Valley. Though they are very few in number, some Gronn are allied with the Horde.
@@jsc1jake512 The Ogron came with the Mag'har. I dunno about the Outland Gronn though, I think the Black Dragonflight either enslaved them or killed em off.
So great, you guys got colored Orcs.
Y'ALL GONNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE BOTANI YOU JUST LET RUN OFF?!
I wish we could get a high-res gorehowl variant, like the one Grom is using
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12:22 "Heroes from my world once freed yours from the grip of tyrants. Now Azeroth faces similar threat, so we have come to ask repayment of that debt"
Seriously, Eitrigg? Comparing the tirany of demonic fel warchief orcs with the Alliance's rivalry? SERIOUSLY?
or yknow he was talking about sylvanas.
Yeah Alliance is evil. get over it you blue shill
Does anyone not realize that we just transported Gronn, Botani and Saberon back to Azeroth with us? You can see the Botani and Saberon running away towards the Barrens. They may be back someday...
At least with the Botani, the Barrens won't exactly be the Barrens soon
I think the Ovegrowth in the Southern Barrens was enough of an ecological fuckup already.
But yeah, I guess it'll at least be interesting.
That’s gonna bite the Horde in the ass later down the line.
Roaming tribes of Saberon raiding caravans,
And Botani kidnapping peons and travelers to mind control and use as fertilizer
The sin of this they gave Grommash a dafault orc greeting sound. Not even bothering with giving him his own voice lines
Kor'gall is the same guy which Rexxar had to fight in warcraft 3, to get the Stonemaul Ogres help the horde fight Admiral Proudmoore
nice flashback by blizzard :D
Yes and No, Lightbound Kor'gall is a descendant of the main universe Kor'gall
Can't say I'm fond of killing off one of the horde's greatest heroes offscreen.... Even if it is an alternate universe Grommash.
He was a great hero on Azeroth. On WoD he tried to commit genocide lol
The one in the main timeline didn't *try*, he actually *did* commit genocide. Then tried to do it again.
At least the alternate one got an earlier chance to redeem himself, and by all appearances, he made the best of that chance under the circumstances.
27:03 ... One year later: "The Horde is nothing!"
I’ve endlessly dreamed
As I waited for today
Felt like this moment would never come
But here I am
With a trembling breath
I quietly closed my eyes
All preparations are done
Now it’s time to step forward
The sound of my heart is about to explode
When I get lost in the sound of the cheers
Towards that faraway place
I am rising up
Placing behind the yesterdays
When I countlessly fell
You’re calling out to me
When I run out of breath
You raise me up
So I can’t stop
I countlessly doubted
Asking if this was the right path
Sweat falling from my forehead
It pulled me together
Inside the spilling cheers
If I take a step forward
Towards that faraway place
I am rising up
You’re calling out to me
I’m following that light
(Louder louder)
Call my name
(Farther farther)
So I can go
Endless tears gather
To become one in this moment
Towards that faraway place
I am rising up again
The moment I’ve always drawn out
Is right in front of me
It took so long
But for you, who has waited
I can’t stop
For our dream
I am rising up
I play Alliance but what happend on Draenor is unsettling ... I always wanted to see the Draenei victorious against the Orcs and well I saw it now but I have never imagined it would be like this .... it is the entire story in reverse .... Yrel is Draenei version of Gul'dan/Ner'zhul and Naaru is the light version of Kil'Jaeden
Well, Grom finally got what he deserved atleast.
Mestrehunter Except it’s not just Grom. The majority of the Orcs being subjected to these atrocities were born AFTER the events in WoD, and therefore there is no justification for the Draenei to seek vengeance on them even if that were the motivation.
I imagine the Draenei and the Orcs lived in peace, until Xe'ra arrived. She is an awful zealot who gives the light a bad name.
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If only AU Xe’ra ended up like main universe Xe’ra.
As in, blasted to thousands of tiny shards.
@@Ultimaton100it's not vengeance. They truly believe they are doing the good thing. Spreading christianity..... Err I meant spreading the light upon the orcs.
I all ways knew the Naaru were up to no good, I KNEW IT!
Ilidan teached Velen that he can be blinded by the light, and faith isn't all. The nature of the Draenei make their faith into a weakness and if it is exaltated you have either void, manari eredar or Yrel . Look even Xe'ra, forcing Ilidan to be pure, even tho Mag'har Orcs are doing their nature without fel magic.
Even with the dualism of Horde and Aliance you can see it's leaders doing very bad things, forcing as a dictatorship and doing war crimes from both sides. But still on Warcraft lore nothing is more " human like ", free and pure than Thrall's Horde.
Sr Lax Yep, I like to see someone gettin right the lore now, is not bad writting. I love it, maybe the Horde has done terrible thing but so the Alliance, and even worst some of the members and races are people that hate others by the mistakes of centuries ago, and the Horde don’t care about that
Okay this made it pretty clear: Either it was the Orcs genociding the Draenei, or the Draenei brainwashing the Orcs into drones for the Naaru.
It was the corrupted orcs that killed the draenei, but IF both the orcs and dranei united to fight the legion back in draenor this is what would happen instead.
“Why did Blizzard have one of our heroes do a complete 180 turn off-screen?! Terrible writing!” D:< - Alliance fans
“Oh no, what a nightmare.” -_- - Horde fans
I'm horde and I like Yrel tbh :D
I'm mostly Horde and I liked the WoD Yrel. It's heartbreaking to see her fall from grace like this. But in true Horde spirit, it also means she's fair game now.
Two wrongs don't make a right
@@skirdus367 like what they did to Garrosh…100% agree.
Must be very awkward when blood elf paladins and tauren paladins do this quest.
BE paladins now recive it from the sunwell
BioMatic2 Which is, of course, powered by a Naaru.
Buaidh no Bàs There has been no change in the Sunwell anytime recently. It is still empowered by a Naaru after the Sunwell raid came to an end and M'uru empowered it with its essence. That is why Blood Elves can now have golden eyes: Due to the Sunwell being powered by the Light via the Naaru.
BrandSilven, It's still different. M'uru was dying anyway, it sacrificed its last bit of life to the Sunwell, BE's weren't siphoning off it's power anymore. Because we all know what happens to a Naa'ru upon death.
I did it as Tauren Paladin - trololo ;D
Looking back upon this scenario, the situation where Alternate Draenor is dying has left me with some questions.
I mean obviously, the Lightbound blame the Mag'har for this and the Mag'har blame the Lightbound. It seems to be very unlikely either side was responsible, though... like there is a third power in play looking to play the Mag'har and the Lightbound against each other.
I mean just look at the sky on Draenor... it's a sickly, cloudy green.
The magic of the Mag'har would pretty much be derived from the same shamanic traditions as their ancestors... I figure the Frostwolves would have made up most of the shamans at that point since the Shadowmoon ones turned to Void and fell alongside Ner'zhul, the Bleeding Hollow ones embraced the fel and met their end at Hellfire Citadel and I while they would certainly have their shamans, they would not be the most prevalent influence of their clans in the Blackrock, Warsong, Shattered Hand and Laughing Skull. Point is, I don't think any Mag'har shaman would have done anything to have caused this.
As for the Lightbound... well... obviously the one and only power they wield whether they be Draenei, orc or ogre is The Light. We see now in Revendreth what a place killed by The Light looks like in the Ember Ward. Sky radiates golden beams of light and the ground is ash. So what's happening to Draenor can't have been them either... even if it's not at the point where the ground turns to ash, the sky would still be gold and radiant in colour... not cloudy and sickly green.
The theory I work with right now is that it is the forces of Death who are behind this. That sickly, cloudy green in the sky looks a lot like the most common colour seen in Maldraxxus. After all, the Jailer has had allies in Maldraxxus for quite some time (they're probably even responsible for the Primus' disappearance), among them the House of Rituals under Kel'thuzad's influence. The war between the Lightbound and the Mag'har, like the 4th War back in Azeroth would send countless souls to The Maw.
So why not an agent of the Maw directly? Perhaps the Jailer was not yet ready to show his hand. Which is why proxies from another afterlife got involved instead.
On wowhead there's a commenter who theorizes that the timeline is simply dying off. There is dialogue somewhere in WoW, I believe from a bronze dragon, that says the timeline is meant to fade eventually. Parts of it can be salvaged (anything brought from that timeline into our own), but anything left in the timeline should, one day, disappear entirely if left alone.
I think this makes the most sense. Neither side realizes their world is simply doomed to fade because of the means by which it was accessed. This alternate timeline was a byproduct of a foolish member of the bronze dragonflight using an artifact they had no business accessing. Maybe they pulled their timeline out of place with the artifact or maybe the timeline only existed after the artifact was used. One thing we do know is it's not possible to access it without great effort and time seemed to have passed since we were there last, showing that either time moves faster or it is now aligned with our time and moved forward several years to coincide with our world's place in the timeline.
@@Lucifronz We travelled back in time during Warlords of Draenor. 35 years, I believe, because of Kairozdormu. He wished to travel to a Draenor that was still at its prime, so that he could recruit an Iron Horde at its full strength.
On the other hand, when traveling to Draenor in THIS quest line we don't do any time travelling at all. We simply hop to that alternate timeway, at the exact same point we are currently at. So the Mag'har Orcs see us appear 35 years in the future.
My theory is that the Botani were killed off by the Naaru empowered Draenei in their crusade.
The Botani and the other races balanced each other out in their respective ecosystems.
The Botani were necessary to keep the planet alive.
People say Yrel is evil, however it is simply the case of exact opposite happening.
Original Draenor: Orcs drink demon blood of Mannoroth and annihilate Draenei. Velen is alive until he is forced to flee with his people to another world.
AU Draenor: That Legion is defeated and the Orcs remain uncorrupted. With the Legion gone, the Light has free reign. Yrel naturally accepts because she watched and listed to Velen praise the Light and the Naaru. He even gave his life to save a Naaru. To Yrel, they're the ultimate good. So they get empowered by the Light. Annihilate the Orcs. The Orcs are alive until they are forced to flee with their people to another world.
They mirror each other in nearly every aspect.
My personal input, Velen's death in AU Draenor made a big difference. Had Velen lived, he would have been there to guide the Draenei.
I hope they don't just say "AU Draenor, Yrel, and everything else just faded away." That further diminishes the entirety of WoD, and it wastes some good characters.
@@corbin_4738 I made my original comment here 3 years ago... and it still hasn't aged at all, because we are no closer to the answer as to why AU Draenor is dying, due to how much of a mess Shadowlands turned out to be and how much of a hurry Blizzard was in to end it.
Dragonflight didn't go there because Dragonflight was all about the dragons and their Primalist Incarnate former brethren.
It's also not looking like the Worldsoul Saga is going to be going there either, with The War Within taking place deep underground in Azeroth, with the Void being built up as the upcoming Big Bad, which we confront in Quel'thalas in Midnight. The Last Titan will take place in Northrend and is obviously going to be about Titan stuff.
I'm not holding my breath for the Mag'har story's loose ends to be tied up any time soon.
corrupted light , illidan did right thing .
i hope to see yrel see prophet velen in our timeline and cleanse this corruption.
it's not a corruption.
You can say the same with the void. Both are equally deadly. The only reason void is looked at as more evil is because that's what our leaders think.
Lord illidan knows the way
Void is seen as evil because most of the Void entities seen are evil. We gave seen some good ones with the Void elves and Locust-Walker.
So now Azeroth has Saberon, Botani and Goren running around now, since some of them crossed the portal alongside the Mag’har orcs.
Great, just what the planet needs.
Some invasive species.
On the upside though, perhaps the Botani can turn Durotar and the Barrens into an actually livable place.
Everyone is complaining about the light being evil... DID NO ONE LISTEN TO THE AUDIO VIDEOS BLIZZARD RELEASED DURING LEGION?
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Yep, but even before those audios it was pretty evident how the light works. Light was never "good", it's about order and the strength of ones beliefs. Light answers to conviction, that's why a good character like Anduin or Velen can wield the light the same way as the fanatical Scarlet Crusade, the death knight Sir Zeliek and even some forsaken can use it.
By all means, tell me what they say on audio, I can't listen it right now. Throughout the history of warcraft lore, it has been stated that there must always be balance between light and shadow. Overwhelmed both of forces corrupts so light can definitely be evil. In this case the light has corrupted the dranei and other entities to believe that there must only be the light and everything else must be purged.
@@Kimperly420 exactly both have capacity for great evil. The audio books state that much
RIP Draka.
Considering Yrel just pacified the Gorgrond garrison, where do you think she'll go next?
Haters are having pointless chit-chat about honor and other garbo but they just jealous of those gronns with cannons at their shoulders
You can see Botani and Saberon run away in the Background at about 24:30
MMT399561 Well I won’t worry about the saberon, they’re intelligent hunters but not something to worry too much, but oh boi the botani can give a lot of trouble, trying to revive their culture on the whole planet
tbh, I´d love to have them playable. I know, it will require a lot of new lore n stuff, but I think they are very unique and interesting, something that the allied race system is basically made to give us. Same reason I´d love to have mogu playable as well.
I would want them to be a neutral race as the pandaren, BUT, I need them to have a good capital
I imagine they both had some semblance of peace amongst the Mag'har, and likely were also targets of Yrel's conversion.
I think it is the best allied race questline, it's pity wowhead cut off the music, that would enhance this epic momment.
How to get Mag’har Orcs in 10 days: No Life Mode, nice one WoWhead
#LordIllidanDidNothingWrong
Yrel, such a waste
Matthew Brune The whole expansion of Draenor was a waste due to them skipping a major chunk of plot and character development tbh.
And yet she gets to be a hero in HOTS.
she won't be a waste if she happens to be the "main antagonist" in the next expansion $_$
Matthew Brune No not a waste, Blizz did the right thing making her a villain, she’s disgusting.
Whats wrong?, she is just cleaning the house from that scum?
Yrel is bae! For the Alliance!
"honor is e verything to us" then i think they should rethink this whole deal.
"Honor is everything to us. Victory or Death ! Wich is why i decided to get none of these two and just run away."
Why? They aren’t joining the Alliance.
Aveline Grom told them to leave.....
Wich basically proves my point ? The Warchief was a coward, and his orcs too for leading such a dishonorable order.
The Mag'har Overlord straight up says she wants to grind all alliance cities into the dust just because the Draenei are part of the Alliance.
So honorably slaughtering people or leaving them homeless is ok?
24:29
look at the botani running in the direction of the northerns barrens
you can see saberon as well
once again the horde screw up
If only Yrel hadn't forced their hasty retreat :P
I hope we see more of God-Empress Yrel, some day.
What bothers me with this questline is not the Dranei becoming crusaders/fanatics, Iit is the fact that it is kind of slapped as a single scenario and could have been a whole zone for the horde and alliance to fight as a warfront. This whole expansion feels like Blizzard had too many ideas and could not implement them all effectively. The nagas/N'Zoth should have been an expansion by themselves instead of a final patch.
interesting so basically this is what illidan would be like if he took power from the light when we were on argus
We can clearly see in the dialogue how Sylvanas can be replaced in the future. Note how they only say "the Warchief" and not Sylvanas name. So I'm calling it, it's bound to happen. Even the voice dialogue seem to fit in if another Warchief stands there in near future.
Perhaps, but keep in mind that “replaced” doesn’t mean “deceased.”
I dunno. When you make a new Horde Panda, you still get to talk to Garrosh.
I think the explanation here is simple:
Remember how people got the rep so fast that Blizz was caught off-guard, as the races still had beta locks on them?
What if this is the same problem- its the beta, Blizz probably was still tweaking it a bit and thought it would take a bit longer for people to get exalted but were taken back by people already getting to exalted that they just threw it out for people to do.
This would explain a lot of things like some of the glitches, lack of voice acting (in a majority of it) and music- though the music might just be turned off by the player. So I say: maybe they'll have a small patch where they update the scenarios with complete, VA'd and fun scenarios.
.... Or this is actually the final product, and this is a red herring about this expansions fate.
Bad Naaru/Light expac when?
Grommash:
-WE WILL NEVER BE SLAVES!
Draenei:
-Yes... Haha!
Where are the all orc from Draenor? There is one small city during siedge by Draenei
RIP Grommash again [*] In future we will play one of these ogron i am right?
A new army of the light... do you think they will be coming for us someday? (and yes, us, there are void elves in the alliance, so the guys in blue are also a target) and this light mother, could be alter timeline Xe'ra?
So now the horde have gronns, ogres and ogrons...... NEAT
Saberon and Botani hitched a ride with us and the Mag'har and they ran into the Barrens. That's probably going to bite us back in the future.
The rep requirement really makes me sad .
So much mindless grinding for such a small low effort scenario. This isn't sad. Its pathetic.
24:30 Saberon running into the Barrens. Hopefully an allied race.
And the botani.
Which is bad.
REALLY bad.
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And Goren too.
Whole bunch of future problems right there.
RIP Grommash Hellscream...again. Honor his sacrifice by remembering what he stood for.
You mean genocide and conquest?
Look At This Dude /facepalm. Grom stood for winning on your own merits.
@@sunwalkeredaaga4154 by attempting genocide and conquest?
Look At This Dude that ship already sailed for both factions. The Alliance has conquered in a bloody and brutal way, and Sylvanas has committed genocide. That’s *why* I’m asking people to remember what Grom stood for you twat. He stood for winning because you are truly better than your opponent, not because of some trick or luck or cheat. Not because you have a weapon your opponent doesn’t, say. If someone is going to win this war I hope they will win because they are actually stronger, smarter and more capable. If no one is going to win, then I hope it won’tbe because of some bullshit contrivance but because the Alliance and Horde are evenly matched. I’m done with Deus Ex Machina’s and contrived storylines with obvious gameplay reasons. Conflict is fine, good even. Conquest is fine from a narrative perspective as long as the character has a reasonable motivation for it. Genocide would have been more narratively acceptable if it had been done differently. It’s a war story, people are going to get their hands dirty. Atrocities are going to happen: they always do in war. That’s why peace is something worth seeking.
Redemption, you numbskulls. Both Groms redeemed themselves in the end, and this one actually put 30 years of effort into this.
Wait, so Geya'rah is a genderflipped Thrall of this timeline? :D
...and a late-born Garrosh went to serve the Light? Hilarious :D
I'm so proud..... (Sniffle)
I'd love to see a Gronn tear apart a Warframe... Primal fury and strength over machines any day!
Yrel: THEREFORE, WE MUST TEACH THEM OF OUR PEACEFUL WAYS...BY FORCE!
This scenario need cinematic! I love Grom and I don't want him to die like this dahm those Zealous Dreanei!
Do you get all the rep you need for the Mag'har from this one quest line?
No, you first need to grind rep in Kul'Tiras.
How much time has passed on Draenor? It looks like decades.
Did nobody else notice the Botani, Goren, and Saberon running off to the Northern Barrens at 24:27 ??
OUR SCARS ARE NOT YOURS TO TAKE!! XD
ROFL "exarch hellscream" the soon of grom an exarch .... haha, looking for dreanor garrosh saying "for teh light " standing near anduin could be soooo fun
Is this scenario suppose to be without voice acting or is it just unfinished and will be updated? Becouse I just got exalted at Honorbound and I dont know if I should do it right now or wait for a update.
at 24:28 we see saberon running to the river west side and botani running southwest, so there is hope for one day allied races
The Hellscream bloodline, always find someone or something to submit to.
24:27 BLADEMASTER!!! ♥♥♥
Bronze Dragon: "Had I any doubt, I wouldn't put the fragment of time in the wrong hands. Not again."
Alliance: "...Err, you do know why they're using that fragment, I hope? Do you even know who their Warchief is at the moment?"
yes they do, they do know about the future and how history goes in different timelines which means a characters being good or evil is not really important for the bronze dragonflight at all
But using the fragment of time to bring an army from another time line into the current timeline seems like a grievous misuse of their role as custodians of time. You could definitely say that he has let it fall in the wrong hands the moment he gave it to them.
Considering Azshara and N'zoth are very likely to play key parts of this expansion, it's likely the Bronze Dragons know they the Mag'har will be needed in the fight against the void.
considering that this is the concept of Time we're talking about, the bronze dragons could be pulling a doctor strange by going with the 'There is no other way" move when it comes to the end game of azeroth
Or very simply, could be the Bronze Dragonflight are now borderline Infinite Dragonflight now.
Saberon and Botani escape 24:30 future Allied Races!!! YEEEEES
I'm confused... What's the relation between the Lightbound and Army of the Light? Yrel talks about Xe'ra like she's still alive, and there's actual naaru fighting alongside them in Gorgrond. Are the naaru just... evil now? Ugh.
This isn't how you do morally grey, Blizzard.
Yrel mentions how the Light Mother granted her visions in the Sermon of the High Exarch.
As for valid reasons, well... see: all of WoD. But still, it feels like they're trying to portray the naaru as overly zealous tyrants out of nowhere, just to try and put an edgy spin on the Light.
Yeah, Scarlet Crusade was that done right. This is just hamfisted at best.
There's a difference between showing the good and bad of a force and turning a group of characters evil for no good reason.
+Skirdus They're not evil.
But, to give a big example here. Look at Turalyon and his Lightforged army and The Scarlet Crusade. They are the very definitions of overzealous, light revering beings.
What's happening with the Naaru is more of them trying their own ways of combating the void and all that they deem to be "evil" and "unholy".
Their (the extreme side of the Naaru) method of doing this is subjugating those with their message of being enlightened willingly or by force to combat the void (and Void lords) that seeks to consume to physical universe.
The Void (the extreme users of its power and the void itself) does it more subtly through things such as whispers to convert various races to their cause against the light by taking advantage of their fears and doubts.
Both sides view each other as the enemy that must be stopped and both lure people and various races to their cause by claiming to know the true path and what is right, when in reality, both just want to use these races for their war against each other kind of like the Legion when they offer lesser races power and a peaceful future when all they really want to do is use them for a temporary cause and toss them to the side when they're finished.
So, tl;dr. They just represent the extreme side of things concerning light worshippers. Their intensions are good, but the way that they act on them is the opposite, but they're so infatuated with their beliefs to the point where they blurr the line between right and wrong.
A.K.A. morally grey.
Yeah the problem is that naaru were never like this prior to Legion. They used to accept the balance of light and void, whereas now they're completely the opposite. That's called character assassination
No one ever said The Naaru were good. What, you think just because factions of Light helped us defeat common enemies they're good? No. The Light and The Naaru are simply another faction of power in the universe and with OUR help they're almost unchallenged to take it over. Look at Xe'ra and illidan, the Light may not want to destroy us, but they do want to convert us.
I'm Exalted with the Honorbound and Eitrigg does not have this quest available for me.....
Checked the embassy?
Was watching a lot of tutorials that were filmed during beta where Eitrigg gave you the quest in grommash hold. Had a random quest still visible on the map in tiragarde sound and after I saw the quest marker in the Orgrimmar Embassy. Definitely face palmed after that.
That garrosh fight is ridiculously over tuned.
Wow not only did they bring the Mag'har they brought the Gronn and Orges too. Also Hellscream as a warrior of the light is so funny
Iron Horde: "YES! PILLAGE ALL THE THINGS! FOR GLORY!"
*Canonically 35 years later on Draenor*
Lightbound: "Gtfo"
Mag'har: "Lol, wot I do?"
You still think all germans are Nazis today too right?
Iron Horde: "WE WILL NEVER BE SLAVES!"
*Canonically 35 years later on Draenor*
Lightbound: "COME AND BE OUR SLAVES!"
Fixed it for ya.
2024 and Oculeth is still bugged ...
24:30 saberon and botani running off towards the Barrens. Get ready for them to show up in the next Warfront I guess.
Man these fights are pretty tough. I'm doing them as a 307 ilevel so yeah. With drums, a flask and healing potions I just killed Gul'dan after tweaking some of my talents to be more useful to the fight. I hope the next 2 will go well for me as well.
Just did Zaela, stupidly easy, I don't understand why was Gul'dan so difficult. I'm omw to Garrosh, let's hope he's as easy as Zaela.
Just did Garrosh, easy without drums too, only have to avoid whirlwind and iron stars.
Obviously Gul'dan had the biggest impact on history across the multiverse, hence his presence is most powerful.
I'm a bit confused where are they getting green skin? Eitrigg's wow model has him with gray skin.
Well, his skin has a green tint. If you compare his skin to the standard Blackrock skin (that the Mag'har has), then he's green. :p
As far as I'm concerned, the Lightbound are the Draenei's payback for the Iron Horde (and they can't blame demon corruption for that).
26:23 If honor is everything to them, they'd have been better off joining Yrel.
when sylvanes asked about honor to the maghar it was like she was hoping: not another saurfang please....but then boom bitch.... saurfang but in female version
I kinda feel like they weren't expecting anyone to get to these yet so there's no voices and stuff and it all feels kinda incomplete. Hope they go back and remedy that.
You gotta wonder how many of our timeline Orcs are still left alive. You can assume a large part of them died during the Siege of Orgrimmar . Than the Iron Horde incursion along with the war against the Legion.... Orcs might actually be a endangered race now
Blood elves are less than them tho
Bigouini I don't know man, I think they've begin to repopulate slowly. Elves are very smart, pick and chose their fights. Orcs get a hard on for blood and glorious death on a battlefield. Which is fine.... if your species isn't about to go extinct
don't worry, most of the orcs that die during siege of orgrimmar were blackrocks and dragonmaws that garrosh recruited, the core horde strengh didn't actually suffer much.
from lore stats, they say that Orcs and Humans Breed like "rabbits" (they say this even in wod starting scenario) thats why they are the bulk force of the faction, and yhea orcs are adults around 14 Years old.
Xerocoo You know Kingdom of Stormwind only fits in 3 ships after Orcs have conquered it as you can see on the Chronicles 2 Art.
Since Theramore too have Mana Bombed there isn’t that much Human left.
Gilneas population before they became Worgen, got Blighted and died. There isn’t much Gilnean.
3/2 of the Draenei(Eredar) have joined the Legion and others have died on the genocide at Draenor. Go Hellfire you can see the skulls. Probably %70 of the Draenei have died. There isn’t much left, also Lightforged are crew probably has 50 members, a normal Draenei can become a Lightforged but this doesn’t changes population.
Night Elven City has burned and there isn’t that much Night Elf left since War of Thorns, Sylvanas probably did killed every Night Elf she saw.
And at the Battle for Lordaeron, Sylvanas trapped all Alliance Army and Blighted them all. Anduin and others may have survived but people who followed Anduin in to city? They all have died.
Why can't I do this quest? It doesn't show up
I really want to know what happened to Lunarfall and Frostwall at that point.
Not just Mag'hars, but Gronns and Ogron's, too. Say what you will, but the Horde just became a bit more savage... also the Saberon and Botani fleeing in the background are at last a nice gimmick, if not more.
Those Botani are gonna be a HUGE problem in the future.
grom: this one is familiar WELL GROM THIS ONE KICKED YOUR IRON ASS AND THEN SAVED IT, A CONSTANT THORN IN YOUR SIDE AND WE'RE JUST FAMILIAR?!?!
The story of this game is such a mess...
Its not, you just don't even try to get it.
Someone has never seen the old lore before or just seen the Warcraft 3 lore and WoW vanilla
+Bland Bald Nobody
just because you try to comprehend shitty lazy non-sensical chaotic writing doesn't mean its not messy if you make sense of it.
Just means you accept its messy and then consider that normal.
But thats called normalization of crap.
James Salvatore Why is crap, is actually the old lore so good?
@@fildariusv7045 No one talking about old lore we talk about current state of the game story. And, by the way, story and lore are not entirely the same.
this was like.. really bad. makes no sense and horribly lazy considering theres no voice acting. how do you have the orc lady say voicelines when you click on her but not have her actually voice any of her lines in the actual scenario. wtf.
Dark Iron Scenario too, oh and the War campaign, idk wtf happened with the VO outside of leveling/pre patch.
Yeah what redmoon said. They just got lazy, and it seems weird since its not like VO lines will cost them a fortune, since if i believe they got mark addy to voice daelin proudmoore, and the fact indira varma voices katherine proudmoore (2 well known people from GoT) they can afford to fo VO lines for the campaignd
Each new character requires new actor/actress or different actor/actress and that can push costs up. Prob easy way for them to cut corners in terms of how much they spend on VO talent. If it is super important characters, then they splurge. But maybe they didn't feel these chars where that important to spend the $ on
Isn't this on beta? There will probably be more lines when it goes live
Kernel Scout it incomplete from the looks of it
Only revered but the Mag'har might be the first orc toon I ever make
I havent like Naaru since TBC, Now I know why haha
How the hell are people Exalted with Honorbound already?
Jack Rotten I’m almost there’s
They are what you call no lifes. People that can park there ass for more then 2 hours cause they don't have any important things to do. That being said I just hit lvl 120 lmao.
Update my dudes.
Still no where near exalted I might get exalted in 2 more months but at least I'm gettin $$
@@robertAnthonyColon You are the other extreme. Normal people got 120 at day 5. 2.5h a day of gaming. And are really close to revered atm.
HHitoK normal people are not revered or closed to revered. Coming from a normal guy
THIS!
Yes, yes!! That was I trying to say all these years but none of you peeps listened! The light doesn't saves, it conquers. Just like the legion.
Blizz have just pointed us something. In our universe the Burning Legion won on Draenor, most draenei were killed, some of them became ashtoungue deathsworn, who couldn't call the light anymore. On AU Draenor Burning Legion was defeated and draenei became more fanatic in their belief in the Light. Well, this is not that special to notice, but an interesting thing.
Why do you always stay bear form, even though you'd be way faster in travel or cat form?