Because when the time came to use those 20 years of training he left his men behind, that's why. All of that training and advancement for what? When the nation needed him to lead he ran away like brave brave sir Robin.
Im a Navy Veteran & I never shot a gun nor been shot at...But I did sacrifice my life & time to support my country...I'm no less of a veteran than a soldier in Iraq...
Thank you. With few exceptions, every vet played their part. It makes no sense for a former military journalist to disparage the service of an artillery corps CSM.
@@civilization57he announced his retirement months before his unit got the order they would be deployed. After serving 24 years, why should be expected to retract his retirement? Especially when he didnt agree with the Iraq war.
From JD's book: "i was lucky enough to escape any fighting", dude was a tour guide to visiting journalists. Nothing worse than a veteran attacking the military service of another veteran for political points. Disgusting! Especially when your partner, mr. bone spurs, is on record stating he's smarter than his 4-star generals.
The desperation is showing. When you can debunk most of the things they say by just reading or searching it's telling of desperation. At this point they are just making up all kinds of narratives and stories for shock value and to keep their presence in the media because it's fading.
also in JD Vance's Book: "“... an inside-out latex glove shoved between two couch cushions. For want as a couch is to be, and to lay with one as one does. It is a rite of passage into the chambers of manhood.”
Am I getting this right? Walz trained with and carried a weapon of war but didn't actually serve on the ground in a war zone. He did stand ready to serve the nation for 24 years as a military member. He then left to serve as an elected public servant and that's a bad thing, why?
@@neards9612he flat out said he retired as a command sergeant major and even had a coin made with that rank made on it when he didn’t finish sergeant major academy so his retirement rank was reduced. We don’t like veterans that lie about their service it’s not honorable. The also talk about JD Vance but combat corespondents follow troops into combat and at least one soldier who was beside JD said this is exactly what happened, so when they say he saw no combat they are lying. I have to respect that JD is not bragging about what he went through. Many of us are not bragging about it every chance we get
Vance never served in combat. He was a reporter in military. He wrote that in his book.He said he was grateful that he avoided combat.He also said he doesn’t like police and called DJT Hitler.
It appears he wasn't even a reporter. He was a public affairs officer or similar title, and escorted other actual journalists. Brianna mentions that very briefly here.
@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 no, the question is, what has Trump, as a rapist, liar, thief, hypocrit, felon, grifter done to ever be the leader of the United States!! Nothing!! VOTE BLUE ALL THE WAY SAY NO TO TRUMP AND PROJECT 2025! Save our democracy!
Vance didn’t just say “oh, he lied about carrying weapons in war”, Vance used the phrase “Stolen Valor”. I myself have never served, but from the servicemen I know in my life, that’s a DAMN SERIOUS charge from one serviceman to another. One that he should be ashamed of. Walz retired as an E-9 with tons of honors; Vance served like 5 years up to E-4 in the press corps and was never on the front lines himself. Saying Walz is guilty of stolen valor means he’s accusing him of talking about service time he never served and medals he didn’t earn.
Claiming you retired as a Sergeant Major when in fact you retired as a Master Sergeant is Stolen Valor. Walz held the rank of Command Sergeant Major but failed to complete the requirements for keeping that rank. Vance was at least in combat area for a deployment and was active duty. I don't think all of Walz active duty status as National Guard would equal Vance's time served! Clearly you are talking about a topic you have no understanding on. And yes I did serve for 13 years of active duty Army service and was out on medical discharge. I was never in combat area but did deploy. So I know exactly what I am talking about!
@@TheHoff4K So, Mr. Know... the question is did you, nine years ago, VET the candidate, or did you believe his pathetic lies and re-spout his petty insults. BECAUSE if you did 'become a Trumper' at that time, THAT is when you turned your back on your oath and your nation, and no amount of displayed desecrated flag symbols of remembrance will change that fact. YOU siad "held", then YOU said "didn't keep". That does not equate with "didn't have". But sorry, wussy boy with a camera does not compare to a man who trained men to operate firearms and could pop ol' 'shady' with one right between the eyes, from the hip. Let's bring back Rose Garden 6:00 AM duels, eh? You are sounding more like 4-F then 4K by backing this putz, much less the criminal he stands with.
@TheHoff4K Walz was promoted to Command Sergeant Major in 2004 but retired with the title Master Sergeant for the purpose of calculating his retirement benefits. He wasn't eligible to receive the retirement package given to Command Sergeants because he hadn't held the rank for 3 years. You should get your facts straight before you start spouting off like you're the absolute authority because of your military background. There are an awful lot of folks on the right who claim they are the party that represents veterans and loves our military but the minute a Democrat appears who served, they sure love looking for reasons to question that veteran's military record. So let's be honest here... Republicans love veterans who vote for them.
I’m a retired police officer. During by career I drew my weapon and pointed it at people many times but luckily never had to fire that weapon in the line of duty. Does that fact make me less of a police officer? I’m sorry, serving is serving and it was my pleasure to serve my community for many years. People should never diminish anyone’s service because they didn’t happen to engage in combat.
1,the guy have served for 24years in military 2,he’s have every right to retire anytime anywhere anyhow.none of anybody’s business. 3,let alone he’s plan run for congress continue to serve the country.
@@roboparks He trained NATO soldiers on marksmanship, hand grenades and artillery in 2003 when deployed to Italy. Those NATO soldiers supported our Front-line troops in the middle east. "Walz deployed with the Minnesota National Guard in August 2003 to Vicenza, Italy, as part of support for the US war in Afghanistan, according to a Minnesota Guard spokesperson. He did not deploy to Afghanistan or Iraq or a combat zone as part of his service. In a statement, a Harris campaign spokesperson said: “In his 24 years of service, the Governor carried, fired and trained others to use weapons of war innumerable times." So when he was talking about his familiarity of weapons used in war that he carried. (DID NOT SAY USED IN WAR like Vance did). Hope that helps, btw, thank you Walz for your service, not just in the military but also after your retirement in congress fighting for better benefits for our veterans. He helped push for many amendments in the Veterans' Benefits Enhancement Act of 2008 (H.R. 5892) while he sat on the veterans affairs committee. That bill helped many friends and family I have that did serve in the war, in combat, and needed us to have their back when they returned home to reassimilate into civilian life after multiple tours in a hostile warzone.
@@roboparks At the time of retirement, he was an SCM. He is a retired SM. MN National guard says you can present yourself as either, but I believe he has been pretty consistent with the language I showed above.
@@roboparks JD Vance never served the role of Combat-Correspondent despite having the title. He just worked in Public Affairs and was essentially a military journalist that never saw combat. Even when deployed 6mo in Iraq during an active war he was stationed at a base and didn't really leave outside it. But using that title leads people to an impression that isn't reality. Are you ok with that?
@@Pumpkin0_0what exactly did he do? Even if he did leave after 24 years to avoid deployment, I can respect that. He put in 24 years!!! Hell I left after 4 years to avoid another deployment.
1. Thank you for your service. 2. Thank you for telling the truth on this issue. It is appalling what they are trying to do, because they have nothing else, I guess.
Imagine a Marine Correspondent of 4 years who never saw combat attacking the record of a man who served for over 20 years in the National Guard. Vance is a marine but only served 4 years. Walz served 6 times as long. Just put it into perspective. Vance was essentially a reporter talking of the things Walz literally did and now has the audacity to attack him. Walz became an advocate for the military in the halls of Congress. What has Vance done? I thought so.. Vance should shut up and stop running his mouth.
It is not about what JD Vance has said, it is about the lies Tim Walz has told. Tim Walz lied about his rank, Tim Walz lied about serving in a war zone, Tim Walz lied about his deployment.
Eh Walz was playing soldier in the National Guard, in total he only "served" for less than 20 months. So if we are going by your failed logic, Vance actually served over twice as long as Vance. Plus Walz lied about his rank/position and combat service which is stolen valor.
@@alexistaylor969 PATHETIC REPLY, And so stupidly wrong. AND, Vance didn't actually serve over twice as long as Vance, as you said, BUT Tim Walz did serve 6 times longer than Shady Vance.
That’s a lot of smack talking coming from a guy who served as a PR guy who’s running with a guy who cowardly dodged a draft while American men fought and died in a war. As a military veteran, I stand with Gov. Walz
All military service is dangerous. Members are killed every year just in training exercises, between 2006 and 2020 over 5,000. Every soldier and Marine is first a ground pounder and can be called to take up the rifle at a moment's notice. Vets should not be disrespecting other vets. To do so for political gain is reprehensible.
So is lying about your rank. Walz did NOT retire as a CMDSGTMAJ, he retired as an E8 Master Sergeant. That is Stolen Valor, because Walz uses it in his campaign speeches. So, now is Walz reprehensible?
@@earlmcclung9573 The rank you receive for retirement income purposes and that which you finish with are not necessarily the same. Much ado about nothing.
I am a retired USN. I was never in Viet Nam and have never claimed to be a Viet Nam vet (never served There) but when asked I am a Viet Nam Era vet. When in the Military we were educated that we could never involved any active political activity except voting in elections. Walz could not be active or reserve military member and run for congress so he chose to retire. Support of military soldiers is also serving our country. Also it impressive that top rank was Sgt . Major and doing work of a Command master sgt. He has also proved to be a friend to vets and veterans Administration in congress. To a 20 year USN vet I applaud him.
Over TWO DECADES in the Guard, NOT Active Duty! 20 years in the Guard equal 1 year of Active Duty (one weekend a month, two weeks a year). You do the MATH!!!!
Severe hearing loss would have prevented his deployment even if he had not retired. If he offered to help change a flat for me, I'd be grateful. If Vance stopped and made an offered, I would lock myself in the car and drive off as quick as possible. Risk the tire coming off the rim. Vance has that sleaze vibe.
@@sandrasmith-h4n Hahaha, are you a tool. Over TWO DECADES in the Guard, NOT Active Duty! 20 years in the Guard equal 1 year of Active Duty (one weekend a month, two weeks a year). You do the MATH!!!!
@@iamgermaneThis comment goes to show me, a 21 year active duty retired veteran, that you don’t know what you are talking about. Reservists have a mandatory weekends every month, two weeks a year, deployments and recalled for periods up to and sometimes beyond a year. He achieved Sgt Major/E9 which is the highest enlisted rank and honorably wore the uniform for 24+ years. That is something notable! 🇺🇸
@@dvazz He was only deployed to Italy for 3 months! Most of the time before 2000 they did not get deployed for much, if any, time! Yes, I know this because I was both Active and Reserves. HE WORE A UNIFORM PART-TIME, NOT FULL-TIME AS IN ACTIVE DUTY.
Governor Walz neither “dropped out” nor abandoned his unit. He retired from the Army after serving four years beyond the 20 year retirement point. Vance dropped out of the USMC after one tour.
He known about he might be called to war 2 years but that then what Vance going after he going after him saying he been in war when there no record of war going to Italy wasn't a war
His own unit's Chaplain calls him a "coward" publicly today for deserting his unit when they were called up. And by your own lack of logic you just attacked a Marine Combat Correspondent for what your Weekend Warrior communist POG did. Walz was only in it for the money and political clout. When he was actually called to serve, he quit. Like a coward. There's very good reasons why we active duty Soldiers make Weekend Warriors go last in the chow hall.
Governor Walz himself disrespected his own service by lying (multiple times). But more than lying, he committed an unforgivable mistake when he referred to the national Guard in a derogatory manner when asked about his reluctance as governor of MN to deploy them while the city of Minneapolis was being destroyed in the riots. His own people (constituents and National Guard) call him a coward as is their right to do so. That he is an open advocate for communism, teaches on the topic, and has made 30 trips to Communist China should be cause of concern for everyone.
Trump worlds biggest liar Hypocrisy - Trump Lies constantly , but waltz tells one and maga starts screaming . Trump well over 40,000 out right lies since in office
@@sfbmod Well Said! As a US NAVY disabled Veteran I can say that this is right on point! I just wish that folks would quit saying that Timmy served for over 20 years. Just because you have a contract but only work 2 days a month and maybe a deployment 2x per year does NOT mean you served during your "OFF" time. Do the math! This Veteran calls BS on most of what comes out of Timmy's mouth.
Walz served 24 years in the National Guard, retiring as a Command Sergeant Major. Vance served 4 years as a news correspondent, never saw action himself, and left as a Corporal, and now serving Cadet Bonespurs. Militarily JD Vance didn't have the right to look Tim Walz in the eye
Well your comment is the whole basis for the argument. Walz has stated in MULTIPLE campaign speeches that he is a retired Command Sergeant Major. He is NOT. He is a retired E8 Master Sergeant. The very definition of Stolen Valor is to claim to have been awarded a rank or medal that you were NOT awarded, and to use that representation for personal gain. Back in 1996 Admiral Mike Boorda committed suicide after claims were made that he wore two ribbons with a "V" device for Valor that he was not entitled to wear. It was later discovered that he WAS indeed entitled to wear those devices and his record reflects that. That is how serious Stolen Valor is to men of Honor.
@earlmcclung9573 I don't know where you get your information but it was stated by everyone who worked with him and on the official records that Walz was a CSM.
Walz is also for wide open borders, meaning he doesn't care if innocents are raped and killed by cental American gangs. What say you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vance held a camera not a gun. He was a "correspondent" with a desk job that deployed for 6 months to shoot pictures not enemy combatants. Despite him trying to church it up Vance was a desk jockey for the majority of his time in the military.
Church it up. 🍺🍺🍺🍺. So neither of these clowns were combat units??? Is that what I am understanding. Also thanks now I gotta watch Joe dirt after I finish Wayne’s world.
24yrs in the service AND served honorably, how dare anyone question him. Vance was a marine and served his country, i thought marines had honor? How honorable is it to do what hes doing? Walz served his country for decades, he seeved his community as a school teacher, and served his state as a governor. What exactly has Vance done since the military aside from flip flop so hard on trump he ended up going from never trump to being on his knees in front of him at bedtime. No American with a conscience could vote for a man with absolutely no principles. Its time for a refreshing change. Its time to make history with our first female president. We are not going back.
Ya don’t question anything u sheep🤣 Walz said he carried weapons in war… what war? Where? Being a veteran doesn’t mean you can say whatever you like and not get called out…
STOLEN VALOR IS A SERIOUS THING TO THOSE OF US WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO JOIN!! HE HAS NO INTEGRITY OR MORAL COMPASS.... and that's YOUR guy for being one heartbeat from the presidency???!!! WOW!!!
Tim's own unit Chaplin calls him a "coward" because of his dereliction to duty when their unit was called to serve. Vance proves he has the honor and integrity to call out Weekend Warrior Stolen Valor frauds who claim they saw combat and achieved command rank, but didn't. You and your party are everything those of us who actually serve fight against: communists.
Serving in WAR doesn't mean being in COMBAT. Millions of Americans have served in wars over the last 248 years, but only a fraction have been in combat. JV Vance KNOWS this. SHAME on JV Vance! SHAME on his LIES. Every Veteran should be angry at JV Vance.
@@benschlotte8242 Facts: Walz retired in May, 2005. Orders to deploy to Iraq were received by his unit in July, 2005. Stateside, Walz was only still in the Guard on a waiver due to his extreme hearing loss. He knew he was ineligible to be deployed to a war zone because he couldn't pass the physical. Paperwork also shows he filed to run for Congress around the same time, but he couldn't have been deployed to Iraq with his men in any case. Facts: He did reach the rank of command sergeant major near the end of his service, but he officially retired one rank below as a master sergeant. A national guard spokesperson told the BBC that “his rank reverted to master sergeant on May 15th, 2005, for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the US Army Sergeants Major Academy. He retired the following day.”
@@benschlotte8242 Facts: Walz retired in May, 2005. Orders to deploy to Iraq were received by his unit in July, 2005. Stateside, Walz was only still in the Guard on a waiver due to his extreme hearing loss. He knew he was ineligible to be deployed to a war zone because he couldn't pass the physical. Paperwork also shows he filed to run for Congress around the same time, but he couldn't have been deployed to Iraq with his men in any case. Facts: He did reach the rank of command sergeant major near the end of his service, but he officially retired one rank below as a master sergeant. A national guard spokesperson told the BBC that “his rank reverted to master sergeant on May 15th, 2005, for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the US Army Sergeants Major Academy. He retired the following day.”
And literally everything out of Trump's mouth is a lie, so let's be real here. Maga is reaching far with this one. Scared & whiny. Say what you want about Walz, but he gave 24 years of his life to serve in the NG. Doesn't matter if he was in a war or not, you can't negate his time given to this country. He also became a senator as you're claiming he failed his mates.. no he switched jobs, trump failed 6 businesses- all bankrupt. More to see there than with walz. Funny how every truth about trump is glossed over by the brainwashed. @@benschlotte8242
You pitiful fool: 1) ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama's National Security Adviser.2) CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.3) ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former Obama Whitehouse Press Secretary Jay Carney.4) ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.5) ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.6) CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides, USA TODAY, NBC, MSNBC, NYT, WAPO, AP, and all local stations they parent…biased, censored, cut & clipped propaganda…the brainwashed haven’t figured it out…yet.
Maybe someone should explain to non military personnel’s that : the weapon you are issued is the same weapon you take with you in war.. peace.. and any mission you are sent on.
@@atheistdingo6273 if you want to be upset about people not going to war... I'd like to know how you feel about Donnie draft dodger. Was it okay for him to dodge the draft?
He misspoke... He should have said war time... So don't get in a bunch... BTW the tampon thing is false... But you can't figure things like that out... You love the bone spur draft fogger that hate' pows, gold star families, honored dead and veterans... That bragged about. Viewing young teenagers, partied with Epstein, civilly liable for assault...and so much more.. I guess we know your ability to figure out truth and integrity is flawed....
@jay4you853, well to be clear, he was put into that position but didn't attend the training to be one which is why he retired at a lower rank. I have seen it happen many times.
Well your comment is the whole basis for the argument. Walz has stated in MULTIPLE campaign speeches that he is a retired Command Sergeant Major. He is NOT. He is a retired E8 Master Sergeant. The very definition of Stolen Valor is to claim to have been awarded a rank or medal that you were NOT awarded, and to use that representation for personal gain. Back in 1996 Admiral Mike Boorda committed suicide after claims were made that he wore two ribbons with a "V" device for Valor that he was not entitled to wear. It was later discovered that he WAS indeed entitled to wear those devices and his record reflects that. That is how serious Stolen Valor is to men of Honor.
@@earlmcclung9573 Vance was a journalist: “I was lucky to escape any real fighting,” Walz had already filled retirement papers to retire when he'd done 24 years of service, BEFORE his troop were notified they may be sent to Iraq. Also :"A national guard spokesperson told the BBC that “his rank reverted to master sergeant on May 15th, 2005, for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the US Army Sergeants Major Academy. He retired the following day.”"
@@earlmcclung9573he achieved the position of CSM by temporarily filling a slot.. ROTC candidates fill in slots of E5 for a pay grade .. this is how the military works.. soldiers on the front lines also receive combat commissions on rare occasions..
Well maybe Vance could ask Walz that to his face in a debate. Oh wait, Vance has refused to debate Walz! Vance served 4 years taking photos and showing journalists around, Walz served 24, then served his country in Congress and as a Governor and let's not forget his years as a teacher and coach. A lifetime of service versus a man who stands for nothing. And lest we forget Vance is the running mate of a Draft Dodger and someone who called fallen soldiers suckers and losers, so where is Vance's outrage at that?
The man was in his 40’s when he would have retired from the National Guard. I’m not looking at a 40yr old that has served just over 20yrs as ducking a damn thing!
And JD Vance was in like 5 years and bragged about not being in any combat (he was in an air-conditioned office. Who's gonna call him out on this, so we can get on to important issues.
@@nannie2846 He lied about Commanding and leading troops in combat for 19 years before being called out on it. Now he is only implying it by referring to serving and then saying "weapons of war that I used". As for the main comment about him serving for over 20 years, he "served" for 2 years and almost 6 months, with no plans to go to war. He wanted the clout of being a veteran for his political resume but didn't want to do the actual service, and as soon as he heard he was gonna have to actually serve his country and lead his men, he ran away like a coward.
@@alexistaylor969 Gee, so you suppose 24 plus years ago he was planning on going into politics?? He left the National guard in May after submitting his paperwork 5 or more months before, so January or earlier. They were notified of a possible deployment in March...after he had already handed in his notice. He deserted his team that he had given notice to BEFORE the possiblity of deployment was known?? Tell me, how much time did DonOld serve? Oh, NONE!!! Ol' Bonespurs got lots of deferrments that dear ol' daddy bought. And Vance was a desk jockey reporting on the war lol.
i am a 73 year old male that was drafted into the U.S. ARMY in 1970 april.....before i could get into the U.S. AIR FORCE.... it was on the mid way end to the Vietnam war. i served 2 years as a military policeman and even though i volunteered for Vietnam it seemed that they didn't need the manpower there anymore BUT at the end of the day....your name could be pulled and you would find yourself over "there"... i find it VERY UNPATRIOTIC for a former Marine-jd vance- (served 4 years)to try and "swiftboat" another Armed forces Veteran-T. walz( served 24 years)- for political points....both pledged to uphold the Constitution and both were in positions to be picked for actual combat as it was and is in the present armed forces.
Except JD has stated that he won't uphold the Constitution. His allegiance being to the former one term president and not, NOT the constitution. He served his country and currently serves the former president, no longer serving his country. His allegiance is to his hedge fund master and that bloated old insane narcissist.
Vance's statements and behavior are very disturbing indeed. I'm with Walz, not Vance. Vance is running for office with the guy who does not respect the Constitution that both Vance and Walz swore to uphold. I trust Walz completely to uphold his oath to the Constitution.
Why isn't carrying and training with assault rifle not a "weapon of war"? JDV was a correspondent, he wasn't in a fire fight, he was a news reporter. Thanks to both for their service but JDV is out of line saying his service was real and Walz's was not. McCain and Pat Tilden are examples of real war heros and we all watched Trump's criticism of McCain, still vile and revolting years later.
He said " a weapon of war IN WAR" Firstly, even if he had gone to war, which he didn't, he would have carried an M16. An M16 is NOT an AR15. VERY few M16s are in the hands of civilians, and to date, not a SINGLE one has killed a child.
@@earlmcclung9573 I agree those two words "In war" are problematic in his statement, and he's been asked to clarify that statement as it's not strictly correct. What I was pointing out is the hypocracy of JDV calling his rival out as a fake veteran and citing that his role is so much more than Walz's role, it was not. Taking the high road, Walz thanked JDV for his service, I appreciate both of them serving our country. Trump on the other hand has been recorded on multiple instances disparaging veterans, stating McCain is not a hero because he was caught, too many quotes examples for anyone to conclude other than the fact that Trump doesn't appreciate "service" from what he calls "suckers" whether that be in the military, on the force or in the classroom.
@@kestralrider313 the "suckers" comment has been debunked, just like a lot of left-wing battle cries. But you won't hear that from the best propaganda artists in the nation, the left-wing driven media.
@@earlmcclung9573Splitting hairs differentiating between types of guns. All guns are “weapons of war”, as guns have no other purpose than killing and destruction. A knife can be used to prepare food as well as stabbing someone. A hammer can be used to build as well as destroy. Guns have ONE purpose.
@@santaclaus3077Stolen Valor is where people who never served are wearing the uniform portraying that they had served and it is a Federal Offense... Press charges! Or, when a service member wears a ribbon/award they did NOT earn. Punishable by UCMJ.
Sure, let's talk about it, hope your critical thinking skills are up to par. No one with any common sense denounces a Vietnam draft dodger, whether left or right, it was hell and we had no business being there. That is why we, the general public, don't shit on Biden for being a draft dodger. In relation to the current topic on the other hand, Walz played soldier for less than 20 months in total over that 24 year period because it looked good on his political resume, but the moment war occurred and he had to deploy, he filed his paperwork to leave and called his political friends to have his paperwork expedited so that he wouldn't get stop-lossed and have to deploy. No one would blame him for that if he was just honest, and said I am old now and I don't want to risk dying, I served my time, you had your chance to kill me off, I am out. But he lies and says he served proudly, and claims he served in combat in a Command position. I know they quit teaching critical thinking skills in public schools in the 90s, but try to keep on track, the issue isn't his service, it is his lying about his service.
@@JGH-wn3tb he's got to clear it up with Truth...in an interview.....the trouble is when he explains ....it will be a different explanation and that will out doubt into things he said and says.. Do you remember Duck Blumenthal of Conn. Said he was in viet Nam ...but was same thing ...never was
I am a veteran, and this upsets me. Why are we questioning Tim's service? The man served 24 years and did so honorably. What kind of veteran dishonors another veteran's service for their own gain the way JD did? He forgot the Marine code to never lie or cheat, to abide by an uncompromising code of integrity, to respect human dignity, and to have respect and concern for each other.
Thank You for Your Service,This is very upsetting to me to,I can't believe a Veteran would talk about another Veteran for political gain,Tim Walz even thanked Shady Vance for his service,This is completely out of control IMO
Vance has clearly traded in his Marine code for the Donald "Bonespurs" Trump code of lie, cheat, slander, and steal your way through life. Too bad, it's a miserable, petty existence, denigrating everyone all the time.
I thank both of you veterans for your service. BUT I believe you are not understanding what is being said. He never achieved the rank of Command Sergeant Major AND that is why there is the issue of STOLEN VALOR being spoken about him.
Bullshit! I served 20yrs active duty and we have names for Soldiers/leaders that lie about deploying...."stolen valor"!!! Walz is a weekend warrior hes 24rs of service dont accumulate to 10yrs of active duty! He shouldnt have lied if he knows the 7 Army values: Loyalty,Duty,Respect,Selfless service, Honor,Integrity,Personal courage. And dont get me started about he retired before deployment. We find out a year out about deployment so you can get your family matters in order, its not just hey you were deploying in 6 months. He also lied about being command Sgt Major , he was just a Master Sgt. He cant be trusted...not following the Army values!
As a fellow veteran, I’m not going to disparage JD Vance’s service. He was a Marine who served his country and left the military with an honorable discharge. Well done. However, I have to say how disappointed I am that JD Vance, a fellow vet, knowingly and falsely claimed the Walz was guilty of stolen valor. The worst thing you can say about a veteran. He said this to score political points. What dishonorable thing to do.
My dad did two years in the Army, as part of the late 1950s peacetime draft, and all of it was in Colorado Springs. He had nothing good to say about the experience until he found out he was eligible for VA benefits. Miss you, Daddy!
I mean, as an active duty service member, I'll make fun of him for eating crayons, but that's about it. Mostly just because inter-service teasing is part of the fun.
@Pumpkin0_0 I mean, if you've served in the military, you know we're taught that every type of service is towards war efforts and that slight embellishments are par for the course. I'd say Walz maybe exaggerated, but I wouldn't call it a full lie.
As someone who has also served, Vance should know exactly how long the retirement process takes. 4-6 months minimum, depending on the branch of serve. My ex started his retirement process an entire year before he actively retired from the Air Force. Vance is a jerk for no reason at all. He should be proud of those who have served honorably.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 That was a joke. To attack Walz in this way, when most wartime veterans do not see combat, is only making himself look bad. JD would've been better off learning to take a joke and keeping his mouth closed.
Also, they're misrepresenting his statement. He didn't say he was in war. Listen again. "... We can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried, in war is the only place where those weapons are at."
@@countdebleauchamp Republicans, especially Traitor Trump and Name Changer Vance, doing what they are very good at, which is outright lying and misrepresenting the facts. What is that weird name changing things about with Vance, anyway? Very strange.
@@ClassicFIHDYou beat me to the question I would also like to know what weapons that are used by our military are currently available on the streets because there are none
If it were up to me we would have bolt action rifles with no magazine and breakover shotguns and nothing else. But considering the guns already present in the country that isnt very realistic.
@@ClassicFIHD Semi-Auto versions of M16 type rifles which, thanks to corrupt judges, are now able to be used in full-auto because of the use of "bump stocks".
@@skylarc6063 Only there is no stolen valor. That's just typical inflammatory BS. The guy retired after 24 years, and never claimed anything besides serving.
I did my military service in the U.S Coast Guard, during Vietnam. Are they telling me my service doesn't count? Let me share a story, I was standing at the bottom of Nob Hill in San Francisco proudly wearing my winter blues waiting for the cable car. A guy who was near by begun to scream "MURDERER, PIG, CHILD KILLER !" in that order I still remember it. I thought "man this guy is really pissed off at somebody" then I realized that somebody was 19 year old me. Some of us had to put up with some real sh*t in order to serve our country. The last thing we need is anybody to question it.
Thank you for your service friend. You are right my older brother served 2 tours over there. He came home for leave between the tours and he was spit on in Seattle airport while changing flights to come home. That was 1969. I remember him crying on the trip home after Mom and Dad picked him up.
Thanks for your service. My wife was in the navy on the USS George Washington. Its seems to me that to republicans if you support the democratic party your service doesn't count. Republicans can sometimes be lame.
One would think that people in the armed services wouldn’t be so quick to disparage another serviceman. Accusing Walz of “Stolen Valor” is a repugnant defamation that will cost Vance.
I sure hope you are right. The Supreme Court has failed us and Congress has failed us. Let's hope the military still believes in honor because our justice system has completely forgotten it. Espionage and treason are perfectly fine now according to them! And they are about to help a wanna be dictator get back into office so the billionaires don't lose any more profits.
Didn't work out well for John Kerry years ago and he didn't do near what Walz has done. Pretty much the nail in the coffin for Walz pulling those cards out. Well that and all of the trans and alphabet soup ssoup stuff he supports. His snitching policies also don't sit well with me as that sounds like something Xi Jinping has done to his people in China. F-That!
Gov. Walz trained soldiers on armaments for decades. For decades. That caused his hearing loss. When he was re-upping the last time, he was told he was going to be medically discharged because of his hearing loss. He convinced them he could still train others.
Tim Walz retired two months before the " deployment" You cannot fault him for retiring! JD Vance was a correspondent in Iraq, he didn't do combat duty there! This is ridiculous. Walz served 24 years. Why are we questioning this?? 🤔
Not even this is trze. He retired two months before his unit was informed that they eventually WILL deploy. On reality they delpyed one year later. He would have had to delay his retirement by 2,5 years in order to avoid jd chances dishonest attack.
@@tedthomas3436 let's be honest... The people who take one word from an obscure local event and at the sane time defend serial rapists, liars, fraudsters, name changers, adulterer is pathetic
Mr WALZ, is honored by black and brown people serving the national guard...because my father served to...however Trump dodges the draft 5 times so thats not American
@@mhall801I hope so. I have been in need of one before and it would have helped to have them available for a fella to grab one. Are you someone who likes to pretend women don’t have periods?
It’s not garbage to talk about somebody’s military record, especially when the other side is trying to make it look like he’s not a war hero. It doesn’t matter if you shoot a gun or not.
I gave 10 years of my life in service to my country. Like Walz, I served in support of a war (Desert Storm) but I was never in the combat zone and my life was never in danger. Does that diminish my time and service? Was my service nothing? When you are in the military you have no choice where you serve. You go where they send you! I would have always done my duty and served my country whenever, wherever and however I was needed...
@@robertirvine6307 his policies are listed on his website you muppet, Harris has zero on hers. keep lying to yourself to feel better about voting for someone with zero plans
No Vance is a marine wannabe. He only served 6 months in a battle zone and he was just a reporter. A true Marine would not denigrate any veteran or active duty military member. Moreover, he would not want to take away from veterans benefits. Just go back and look at the footage of what he wants to do concerning veterans affairs. As a true marine, I I'm sick of people like this. One last thing. Anyone in the military swears an oath just like public servants including the office of the President, to protect an uphold the Constitution against ALL enemies. Foreign or domestic.
@@gonzo007ish I saw that that, I also saw that you stated a “true” Marine would not denigrate a veteran, yet you call someone who earned his globe and anchor a wannabe. Just trying to understand.
Calling a veteran "stolen valor" because he has never been in combat is the same as calling a musician an "impersonator" because he/she never became famous.
And if you want to use that argument, you better not have served in Iraq for 6 months in a nice office room with full AC as a combat correspondent. He was a journalist. He got pedicures as our soldiers were dying.
Lying to say you are a rank you didn't get because you didn't complete the school. Is like saying you are a Doctor when you aren't If there is no shame in a lower rank why did he lie about it. EVERY veteran knows what rank you are when you leave. You see the pay scales and know your retirement every month would be a reminder.
@@duanekelly-fe5bt That's not what he said, he said he used the same weapon used for combat. I have served in the Army National Guard for 6 years and not once did I fire my weapon. Does that mean me and my entire unit are stolen valors? NO.
And they are upset about a single lie --- Washington Post's fact-checkers documented 30,573 false or misleading claims during Trump's presidential term, an average of about 21 per day.[1][5][6][7] The Toronto Star tallied 5,276 false claims from January 2017 to June 2019, an average of 6 per day.[2] Commentators and fact-checkers have described the scale of Trump's mendacity as "unprecedented" in American politics,[13
Yes, after getting his orders, he left 500 men high and dry by “retiring”, and THEY are speaking out about it. He lied about his rank, and the DNC is whitewashing and changing it. He drove 96 mph, DRUNK, wouldn’t pull over, finally forced to, and claimed he didn’t hear the siren…guess he drove blind too…didn’t see the flashing bar on top of the police car either. He was a teacher then.
Did Walz actually say he carried those guns in war? I think he spoke broadly. guns we carry or use in wars, which sounds perfect to me. Furthermore, he seems likable and a decent guy. Unlike the other old fella, the king of lies constantly gets a pass. The last CNN debate proves that.
Yup and even the wife's comment. They are giving a real cynical interpretation. Probably much more a "hey I don't want to ignore what is happening even when I am at home" So the exact opposite of what they are trying to spin it as.
I think they're splitting hairs. He did say "I carried in war," but it's not a misrepresentation because he and his unit were deployed during wartime. Vance is a phony who touts his own military service, but Vance was a reporter and not a combat soldier. Vance is disgusting. When Vance speaks, he looks oily like a used car salesman.
Walz trained hundreds of soldiers in artillery school both in the states and abroad. He was offered an honorable retirement after 20 years and was encouraged to do so over hearing loss from his duties, he stayed another 4 years beyond that and was in line for a promotion when he retired. The fact is at the rank he would've received he have never been in close combat even if he had stayed. He left because as he was receiving treatment for him hearing loss he saw first hand how poorly vets were being treated in post combat situations, he left military service for public service to help those vets. I'll back him and Harris over JD and the liar any day of the week.
After 20 years in National Guard Tim Walz can retires, but he served 24 years. Veterans should respect other Veterans and men in service, this is the golden rule, JD Vance is despicable.
@topper, please show the proof that trump called them idiots. It was a rag newspaper that made the claim and no other agency would even touch it. And no, I don't support trump or harris. They both suck.
And wouldn't visit a cemetery in France because he was worried his hair might get wet and collapse down flat onto his fat head to show he's virtually bald.
That is not an issue on when his paperwork was done. Stop trying to make it something when it is not .. need to say more about "trump's" draft dodging and him being a convicted sexaul felon.
Thank you. I'm not in the military but my cousin was, very very close family and I can tell you that he put it as paperwork a long time before he actually retired. He did so because if they were to go and start another mission or do something else, he didn't want to be pulled away from his men in the middle of it. He wanted them to have time to find a replacement and advance someone else I think that's more than honorable! You have JD Vans on one side who is, in my opinion, nothing more than a little rich boy who went to Yale and has a bunch of millionaire trillion backers, and Walz any other corner. So we decided to focus on something like this, they can damage his campaign. I really wish that they would stop publishing every piece of information they get, before they get every single fact. Walz is right. He knew that if he was pulled away to another mission or something, that would look really bad on his military record. It would look like he was pulled away from his men. How is that not an honorable thing to do to back away and pull away before it makes and puts everyone in a bad spot. They're just looking for things
And Jeffery Epstein and the act of espionage and insurrection that occurred just a few short years ago now given the full blessings of the Supreme Court and Judge Aileen Cannon. Folks, we have bigger fish to fry! Stop letting petty details derail our goal and muddy our values. Don't let Fox keep anyone in the dark! Our democracy is on the line as it has never been before! That is what we must fight for and win. If we have learned anything about Trump from his last term in office we should be crystal clear that no lie is too big for him and that he is not just trying to be funny. He means what he says and on day one he will become a dictator. He has never claimed he was innocent! All he ever says is he has the right to do whatever he wants as President. If we allow him to win, we will never have to vote again because he or some version of him will never leave office. Ever! At least not in our lifetimes. Elections or not. The planet is being poisoned and we don't have much time left. The rich know this! The MAGA mindset will become the new National Anthem. There won't be much of anything left if we don't win this one. Stay focused!
The amount of time we’re spending forcing Walz to defend himself, but we’re ignoring Vance and trump’s military record, is utterly embarrassing and wrong.
well vance didn't lie about serving in Iraq he was in Iraq unlike Walz who lied and left his unit as the top enlisted leader Kamala never served in the military are you going to criticize her for not serving like I am sure you will with Trump ?????
Vance (named Hamel at the time) spent 4 years in the Marines as a journalist. He spent 6 months in Iraq as a "combat correspondent" but he saw no combat. At the end of 4 years, he had no commendations and was still a corporal.
Kinda hard to write about combat and not be in combat Skippy…he was trained to use a gun too. Walz has the men he abandoned coming out to say Walz is a coward, and also lied about his rank.
Vance was in Baghdad as social media in comfy office but never saw combat. He left after 4 yrs and is a disgrace to many Semper Fi Veterans and serving.
But but but they're the party if respecting the military. They did the same thing to John Kerry in 2004 and they questioned Tammy Duckworths service who lost two legs in a crash while in service.
Calling a veteran "stolen valor" because he has never been in combat is the same as calling a musician an "impersonator" because he/she never became famous.
It's wrong. It doesn't matter if it's being done to Corporal Hamel or SergeantMajor Walz, or any other veteran who honorably served America, it's wrong.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 anyone supporting JD’s distortions and allegiance to a leader of an insurrection against democracy has no honor, nor a voice worthy of consideration.
Walz isn't a man of honor. He lied about his rank and record. He should be ineligible to all True Americans. Go figure that democrats adore him though.
Retired veteran here and there’s a difference between saying you carried a weapon in war and saying you carried a weapon in combat. He’s technically correct since he was deployed during a time of war and had a weapon
how is this stolen valor?? the most when someone does that horrible act, stolen valor, is when the person never served in the military. both Vance and Walz did. Vance and his group are just reaching to the extreme where he doesn't even care or respect a veterans status. he is using his position to degrade and attack for political gains, its disgusting. this is why the gop do not respect our veterans.
Stolen Valor is any time your doing something that you didn't do towards the military. Saying you fought in war when you didn't is Stolen Valor from those that actually did deploy and fight in combat zones.
The definition of Stolen Valor is claiming to have earned or been awarded a medal or rank that you did not, then using that claim to further your personal gain. Walz claims MULTIPLE times that he is a retired Command Sergeant Major. He is NOT. He is a retired E8 Master Sergeant. He uses that line in several campaign speeches (they are all over UA-cam) since his days running for Congress. That is the exact definition of Stolen Valor. I am not taking anything away from Walz's service, but when you lie about your rank, it is what it is.
My entire professional family left the Republican Party last year. Trump's corrupt lies, evil responses, and cowardly actions are pathetic. He now knows he has LOST big time in the eyes of the world. BUT the more he gets people to pay attention to him with his lies - satisfies his sociopathic mind. That is the only escape he has on Nov. 6th when he loses and is never seen again except in court as a felon. He is disgusting and vile to even think he can sit in the White House again!
When decorated retired Generals Mattis and Kelly said that Trump is incompetent and not fit to lead, I'm going to trust the word of two honorable military men over a consistently lying, narcissistic, self-centered felon that puts himself before the country.
@@WatrfrontTampa 👍Kudos. People are so ignorant of Trump and his lies! They don’t have a clue about him except what Trumplicans say. They can’t even be reasoned with, so I’ve quit trying. God Bless!
That fact that both of these men took an honor to serve our country whether they went to war or not…. It’s to be respected…. period Thank You both for your service
I’m doing phone banking in OH right now and it’s just sad to see how they are voting in spite of themselves. Then complain about how they are suffering. It’s a shame really
@@dominquelucas4971 The same with Jordan.. Hasn't written one bill, never in his 16yrs in Congress but they keep putting him back into office.. I have never understood how they can vote AGAINST themselves...
@@Swnsasy I’m phone banking for the senate race and the republican candidate is known for stealing wages from his own employees and it’s amazing how many people will tell me well that’s what companies do. And I’m voting for him. He literally said that social security is NOT an entitlement and the people who I’m talking to are worried about loosing that ENTITLEMENT yet still plan on voting for him 🤦🏾♀️
@@SwnsasyJordan is one of those types who “really tells people (i.e. the other side) off”. That makes some people feel like he’s actually doing something. His jacket off and rolled-up sleeves are part of the act.
@@chriswiggins9644 gotta love this mentality that marines are considered the "real military service" and all other jobs and branches in the govt don't count because they didn't fight or kill..
I want to add, I grew up in the coal fields of WVA, lived in company housing. I am very familiar with hillbillies. Vance is not a hillbilly. He doesn't have a clue. Hillbillies are brave, strong, hardworking, smart people. Just because they have a particular accent doesn't mean they are dumb. If someone needs help, they are there to help without expecting anything in return. Sometimes they are too trusting. But God love them. They are unique and a treasure.
This just shows how many people don't understand what a sergeant major is, as a job, rank and temporary assignment, and how politicians exploit the lack of knowledge.
they dont hand out temp. ranks..........he failed to complete the classes needed to be S.M. every job in military is temp........show us how smart you are.and run cover.
Just shows how many people don't know what danger a "public relations Marine" has to endure. Sometimes the showers aren't hot. Sometimes the dining hall runs out of relish. #REMF
@@terryjohnson3479 He was in the F_ing National Guard. The ones who defend the American way of life in the event of an emergency like hurricanes, tornados, or attacks on our soil. We need them way more than Military journalists who write stories and are kept away from harm by real soldiers. Vance is still "writing stories" and making up stuff for the Big Orange Blowfish.
@gnlout7403 Walz deployed with his unit to Italy in 2003 to support troops in Afghanistan. Like many soldiers, he left behind his wife and baby daughter, not knowing if he'd ever see them again. UNLIKE many soldiers, he did NOT sign up to be deployed to a foreign nation. As part of the National Guard, his job was supposed to be protecting us here at home - but he went to Italy anyhow because that's what America asked him to do. Walz retired in 2005, *2 MONTHS* before an alert came in that his unit would be going to Iraq. *The NG requires that you apply for retirement 90 days to 9 months before your retirement, which means that he applied for retirement ATLEAST 5 MONTHS before the alert came out.*
@gnlout7403 If you're talking about Walz rank AT retirement, he didn't lie. He DID get the promotion but had not completed the requirements to get the retirement funds at that rank. BTW, don't ever consider Breitbart the be-all and end-all of information. They have a tendency to stop looking for info when they find something they want to run with.
@@hes1shot671Neither person saw combat. Not the point. Walz achieved and served as the rank he claims he did. Military retirement doesn't work like you would assume. The rank and benefits you retire with don't always match the rank you are when you retire. Your retirement rank and benefits are based on certain criteria like how long you have held your current rank. Upon retirement Walz didn't have his current rank long enough to be eligible for it to be retirement eligible, so his retirement rank and benefits were demoted to his previous rank. That's how it works. Also, dude was 41 and was 4 years past retirement eligibility.. he can retire honorably from service whenever. Either way he retired before deployment was even announcement. Some people are either bots are brain washed at this point.
@@adventusproductionsThat is true what you are saying, but this isn’t good for him: A former battalion commander of Walz's National Guard unit also issued a scathing rebuke of the way the Minnesota governor has described his military rank since retiring and entering politics, writing on Facebook that Walz "did not earn the rank or successfully complete any assignment as an E9," referring to the governor's repeated use of the title. "It is an affront to the Noncommissioned Officer Corps that he continues to glom onto the title. I can sit in the cockpit of an airplane, it does not make me a pilot. Similarly, when the demands of service and leadership at the highest level got real, he chose another path," wrote John Kolb, who became lieutenant colonel of his Minnesota unit shortly after Walz retired and launched his bid for Congress. When reached for comment, Kolb told ABC News that his statement "speaks for itself." The guy served and that’s honorable, but if he has been using his E9 title for years even though he didn’t earn it, that’s not good.
There are those who are fighting to give ten year old kids free school lunches. And then there are those who are fighting to force ten year old kids to give birth. The choice is yours, dear US citizens.
@@theman7350 Italy wasn't a _theater_ of that war, anymore than the U.S. was. Nope, if he wants to debate the weird guy, he's going to own it, _fast._ There's no two semantics about it.
He said " a weapon of war IN WAR" Firstly, even if he had gone to war, which he didn't, he would have carried an M16. An M16 is NOT an AR15. VERY few M16s are in the hands of civilians, and to date, not a SINGLE one has killed a child.
As a veteran, all these commebts fom people that havent served a day attacking my veteran brother. Also in the military, Vance would be a blue falcon. Guy that served minimum of 4 years calling a 24 year veteran is the discrase. Vance was a glorified photographer. He never saw combat either.
Talking shit about Tim Walz as if he served longer than 6 months as a Marine in public relations. Tim Walz was in the military for 24 years. Also insulting a man who spent over 2 decades in the military while campaigning to be the VP to a man who dodged the draft 5 times is absolutely ignorant. He never said he was in combat. Walz carried weapons and trained others how to use them so he would know first hand that those weapons should not be on our streets. Vance is such a sociopath who continually finds new ways to insult Kamala and Walz instead of focusing on the American people.
So Walz served one day a month and 2 weeks a year. So he spent a total of 88 weeks wearing the uniform not counting basic training. So he actually "served" Less than 18 months
@terryjohnson3479 You say that like even discounting it down to 18 months isn't still 3 times longer than that 6 month deployment of Vance's everyone likes to bring up. And since when does combat time equal the sum total of military service? Cooks, journalists, bodyguards, and engineers (to name a few) all put in their time as well. Why does where you served and what you did really matter here, other than as a means to try to invalidate someone? It's childish at best imo 🤷
Commanders are given notice 1 year prior. But it is not the face he cut and run on his company. It is that Walz lies and says he DID serve in combat. He did not.
Did you serve? Tim did 24 years in the military. I know active duty gets a notice if possible. I'm not sure about the national guard. Did you retire from the military? Do you know how it works? And if he did retire because of that find me someone that served 24-25 years. Trump had his daddy get him out so your argument is stupid.
@@FathomlessJoy trump also said the people that served are "sucker's and Losers". Your supporting that guy? If so don't call yourself a patriot or fly the flag.
@@j.goebbels2134 What did he lie about? Do you not understand OCONUS and deployment terminology? Technically he deployed overseas and was at one point helping to train those headed to Iraq or Afghanistan. His unit was probably headed there as well, and it got changed. Most warfighter/MIT Teams/ other training groups orders change a lot. If you ever serve like myself, then you would know this.
What about how Dementia Donnie let things get "a little out of control" at the Capitol in Washington D.C. on January 6th? Especially since he fomented the attack then sat back and watched it take place on TV.
Thank you CNN for splitting hairs over an insignificant part of an accomplished man’s service record. What more do you want from a man who served his country for 24 years in any capacity. What a disgrace for focusing on this.
He did use weapons of war because everyone in the military TRAINS with weapons of war. Do you think they use toy rifles on the range? Or fire nerf out of howitzers when testing artillery like he did? He may not have carried it during a war, but he trained with them enough to know just how dangerous they are in the hands of unstable people. Don't get caught in the weeds on this one CNN, you know better. PS: Cpl James Hemel (AKA JD Vance's actual name) was a public affairs officer who didn't engage in combat once during his 6 month deployment. He served faithfully and deserves our respect for that but the man needs to hold onto those rocks in his glass house.
As a Canadian veteran (42 years in uniform) I’m disappointed, disgusted and angry that a clown like JD Vance has the audacity to question a 24 year service member’s integrity and service to his country.
I hear you. I served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and I have tremendous respect for anyone who serves no matter their role. Vance and Walz both served honorably, they deployed far away from their homes and had to leave their families to do difficult work in unfamiliar surroundings. They both made a sacrifice that most people don't make. Let's discuss their politics, not their service records.
Integrity? Same Walz who met with Biden after the debate and gaslit the public by saying the President was "fit for office" when asked if the Biden campaign should continue?
Walz was heavy artillery. He had surgery to repair some hearing lost because of his training with them. He knows a lot more about military weaponry than combat correspondents who write dispatches. But every soldier down to the cooks has to train in assault rifles! Both men deserve respect for their service.
The only reason I have disrespect for Vance is because he attacks another serviceman's tour of duty- especially considering that other serviceman put in 20 more years than Vance did. That disrespect from Vance has earned Vance some disrespect back. Attacking a vet's service is disgusting coming from a civilian, but is entirely unacceptable from another serviceman. That is the MAGA way though- Donald "Bonespurs" Trump openly disrespects active servicemen and vets alike, and his lying and lack of respect has apparently infected Vance as well. You would have thought the military had trained him to be better.
Hahaha, are you a tool. Over TWO DECADES in the Guard, NOT Active Duty! 20 years in the Guard equal 1 year of Active Duty (one weekend a month, two weeks a year). You do the MATH!!!!
@@user-zk1zy1fy7o How do you figure? He left the ANG when he reached the end of his last re-enlistment contract. He would've had to re-enlist again to remain in the ANG and deploy with his unit.
Presently, Vance, as a veteran, is embracing a presidential candidate who has called military personnel “suckers” and “losers” for protecting this country from the evils of tyranny. That is shameful. I am a Coast Guard veteran. I served during the “Cold War” of the early 80’s. It is unfair to dishonorably characterize a veteran as only someone who fought in a war. It is unfair to disparage any veteran who served this country and is willing, when needed, to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect citizens from harm so they can sleep peacefully. Trump and Vance are a disgrace to the meaning of honor, valor, and duty.
Why does a man who served his country honorably for 20 years and more have to defend his record against cowardly scumbags?
Because when the time came to use those 20 years of training he left his men behind, that's why. All of that training and advancement for what? When the nation needed him to lead he ran away like brave brave sir Robin.
These are the scumbags who support those who attacked our Capitol. Including traitor Trump, who promises to pardon them.
@BrickBaker-n4x Stop lying just because you don't like him. At least he didn't buy his way out of serving, unlike your cult leader Trump.
@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 it was 24 years and he was eligible for retirement at 20. He did 4 extra years than he needed.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Nice try, goofball. You're probably a hit in the trailer park! 🤣
Im a Navy Veteran & I never shot a gun nor been shot at...But I did sacrifice my life & time to support my country...I'm no less of a veteran than a soldier in Iraq...
Thank you. With few exceptions, every vet played their part. It makes no sense for a former military journalist to disparage the service of an artillery corps CSM.
@@burntorangehorn 💯
Did you abandon your company when they were shipped to Iraq?
Watz did.
@@civilization57 Wrong. Nice try tho
@@civilization57he announced his retirement months before his unit got the order they would be deployed. After serving 24 years, why should be expected to retract his retirement? Especially when he didnt agree with the Iraq war.
From JD's book: "i was lucky enough to escape any fighting", dude was a tour guide to visiting journalists. Nothing worse than a veteran attacking the military service of another veteran for political points. Disgusting! Especially when your partner, mr. bone spurs, is on record stating he's smarter than his 4-star generals.
Got that right! Vance was a pencil pusher, nowhere near a war zone!
The desperation is showing. When you can debunk most of the things they say by just reading or searching it's telling of desperation. At this point they are just making up all kinds of narratives and stories for shock value and to keep their presence in the media because it's fading.
@@JVassago Vance can’t think on his own. He’s a tool.
also in JD Vance's Book: "“... an inside-out latex glove shoved between two couch cushions. For want as a couch is to be, and to lay with one as one does. It is a rite of passage into the chambers of manhood.”
Vance told the truth. You’re not even getting to vote for honest candidates 😂😂😂
Am I getting this right? Walz trained with and carried a weapon of war but didn't actually serve on the ground in a war zone. He did stand ready to serve the nation for 24 years as a military member. He then left to serve as an elected public servant and that's a bad thing, why?
It's not a bad thing. And Vance acknowledged that. The problem was he left the impression that he went to war. That's blatantly wrong
@@neards9612 no he didn’t
@@neards9612he flat out said he retired as a command sergeant major and even had a coin made with that rank made on it when he didn’t finish sergeant major academy so his retirement rank was reduced. We don’t like veterans that lie about their service it’s not honorable. The also talk about JD Vance but combat corespondents follow troops into combat and at least one soldier who was beside JD said this is exactly what happened, so when they say he saw no combat they are lying. I have to respect that JD is not bragging about what he went through. Many of us are not bragging about it every chance we get
I trained with my unit, but I would not make that statement.. It's deceitful
long time happy weekend warrior, no war on the horizon, until it is, then career calls
Trump is a draft dodger and this is what they are focusing on?
Spot on..
Lets us talk first about the 10th of thousands Trump lies , before we talk about real american patriots
Self awareness is not Donnie's team's forte.
@@StephenDennis-iz7lv what policies are trump focused on ? Another round of tax cuts for Elon Musk and his billionaire buddies?
Fithly people like trump and Vance will do anything to destroy the reputation of good people for their political advancement.
I am a patriotic US Veteran. Shady Vance is clearly NOT. He is just plain vanilla despicable!
lmao no you're not stfu
DESPICABLE IS POSING AS A CSM LIKE WALZ DOES
Vance never served in combat. He was a reporter in military. He wrote that in his book.He said he was grateful that he avoided combat.He also said he doesn’t like police and called DJT Hitler.
It appears he wasn't even a reporter. He was a public affairs officer or similar title, and escorted other actual journalists. Brianna mentions that very briefly here.
Boohoo. What has Kamala done and why is she worthy of being president? Stick to policy.
Vance probably was on the couch and never went to combat. Lol
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683like tRUMP?
@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 no, the question is, what has Trump, as a rapist, liar, thief, hypocrit, felon, grifter done to ever be the leader of the United States!! Nothing!! VOTE BLUE ALL THE WAY SAY NO TO TRUMP AND PROJECT 2025! Save our democracy!
Vance didn’t just say “oh, he lied about carrying weapons in war”, Vance used the phrase “Stolen Valor”. I myself have never served, but from the servicemen I know in my life, that’s a DAMN SERIOUS charge from one serviceman to another. One that he should be ashamed of.
Walz retired as an E-9 with tons of honors; Vance served like 5 years up to E-4 in the press corps and was never on the front lines himself. Saying Walz is guilty of stolen valor means he’s accusing him of talking about service time he never served and medals he didn’t earn.
If Vance did what waltz’s did you won’t be a defense lawyer for Vance?
@@deinmayudes1744
What Waltz did had nothing to do with his campaign.
What Vance did was 100% Campaign.
Claiming you retired as a Sergeant Major when in fact you retired as a Master Sergeant is Stolen Valor. Walz held the rank of Command Sergeant Major but failed to complete the requirements for keeping that rank. Vance was at least in combat area for a deployment and was active duty. I don't think all of Walz active duty status as National Guard would equal Vance's time served! Clearly you are talking about a topic you have no understanding on. And yes I did serve for 13 years of active duty Army service and was out on medical discharge. I was never in combat area but did deploy. So I know exactly what I am talking about!
@@TheHoff4K So, Mr. Know... the question is did you, nine years ago, VET the candidate, or did you believe his pathetic lies and re-spout his petty insults. BECAUSE if you did 'become a Trumper' at that time, THAT is when you turned your back on your oath and your nation, and no amount of displayed desecrated flag symbols of remembrance will change that fact. YOU siad "held", then YOU said "didn't keep". That does not equate with "didn't have". But sorry, wussy boy with a camera does not compare to a man who trained men to operate firearms and could pop ol' 'shady' with one right between the eyes, from the hip. Let's bring back Rose Garden 6:00 AM duels, eh? You are sounding more like 4-F then 4K by backing this putz, much less the criminal he stands with.
@TheHoff4K Walz was promoted to Command Sergeant Major in 2004 but retired with the title Master Sergeant for the purpose of calculating his retirement benefits. He wasn't eligible to receive the retirement package given to Command Sergeants because he hadn't held the rank for 3 years. You should get your facts straight before you start spouting off like you're the absolute authority because of your military background. There are an awful lot of folks on the right who claim they are the party that represents veterans and loves our military but the minute a Democrat appears who served, they sure love looking for reasons to question that veteran's military record. So let's be honest here... Republicans love veterans who vote for them.
I’m a retired police officer. During by career I drew my weapon and pointed it at people many times but luckily never had to fire that weapon in the line of duty. Does that fact make me less of a police officer? I’m sorry, serving is serving and it was my pleasure to serve my community for many years. People should never diminish anyone’s service because they didn’t happen to engage in combat.
Truth. Thank you.
Right on. Its Service.
100% and thank you for your service.
You seem honest though. That's the difference.
Did you go around telling people about all the shootings you were supposedly involved in? That's the difference.
1,the guy have served for 24years in military
2,he’s have every right to retire anytime anywhere anyhow.none of anybody’s business.
3,let alone he’s plan run for congress continue to serve the country.
He doesn’t have the right to misrepresent his service to benefit financially. He lied and was elected.
@@roboparks He trained NATO soldiers on marksmanship, hand grenades and artillery in 2003 when deployed to Italy. Those NATO soldiers supported our Front-line troops in the middle east.
"Walz deployed with the Minnesota National Guard in August 2003 to Vicenza, Italy, as part of support for the US war in Afghanistan, according to a Minnesota Guard spokesperson. He did not deploy to Afghanistan or Iraq or a combat zone as part of his service.
In a statement, a Harris campaign spokesperson said: “In his 24 years of service, the Governor carried, fired and trained others to use weapons of war innumerable times."
So when he was talking about his familiarity of weapons used in war that he carried. (DID NOT SAY USED IN WAR like Vance did).
Hope that helps, btw, thank you Walz for your service, not just in the military but also after your retirement in congress fighting for better benefits for our veterans. He helped push for many amendments in the Veterans' Benefits Enhancement Act of 2008 (H.R. 5892) while he sat on the veterans affairs committee.
That bill helped many friends and family I have that did serve in the war, in combat, and needed us to have their back when they returned home to reassimilate into civilian life after multiple tours in a hostile warzone.
@@roboparks At the time of retirement, he was an SCM. He is a retired SM. MN National guard says you can present yourself as either, but I believe he has been pretty consistent with the language I showed above.
@@Rationalityislost101 Thank you . To Bad MSM doesn't tell us that?
@@roboparks JD Vance never served the role of Combat-Correspondent despite having the title. He just worked in Public Affairs and was essentially a military journalist that never saw combat. Even when deployed 6mo in Iraq during an active war he was stationed at a base and didn't really leave outside it. But using that title leads people to an impression that isn't reality. Are you ok with that?
As a proud veteran of 26 years, I find it highly disgusting that a fellow veteran would attack another veteran's service, just for political points.
Telling the truth isn't attacking. And if you're a veteran, you should be appalled by what the other guy did.
@@Pumpkin0_0what exactly did he do? Even if he did leave after 24 years to avoid deployment, I can respect that. He put in 24 years!!! Hell I left after 4 years to avoid another deployment.
1. Thank you for your service. 2. Thank you for telling the truth on this issue. It is appalling what they are trying to do, because they have nothing else, I guess.
Especially when the vet was in Public Affairs
@@Pumpkin0_0TROLL. Hey comrade! What's the weather like in Siberia?
Imagine a Marine Correspondent of 4 years who never saw combat attacking the record of a man who served for over 20 years in the National Guard. Vance is a marine but only served 4 years. Walz served 6 times as long. Just put it into perspective. Vance was essentially a reporter talking of the things Walz literally did and now has the audacity to attack him. Walz became an advocate for the military in the halls of Congress. What has Vance done? I thought so.. Vance should shut up and stop running his mouth.
It is not about what JD Vance has said, it is about the lies Tim Walz has told. Tim Walz lied about his rank, Tim Walz lied about serving in a war zone, Tim Walz lied about his deployment.
Eh Walz was playing soldier in the National Guard, in total he only "served" for less than 20 months. So if we are going by your failed logic, Vance actually served over twice as long as Vance.
Plus Walz lied about his rank/position and combat service which is stolen valor.
BS@@alexistaylor969
@@alexistaylor969 Actually it was more than 20 months since he had two deployments.
@@alexistaylor969 PATHETIC REPLY, And so stupidly wrong. AND, Vance didn't actually serve over twice as long as Vance, as you said, BUT Tim Walz did serve 6 times longer than Shady Vance.
That’s a lot of smack talking coming from a guy who served as a PR guy who’s running with a guy who cowardly dodged a draft while American men fought and died in a war. As a military veteran, I stand with Gov. Walz
He is still a PR guy essentially.
You win sir. I know you weren't trying to but this is the perfect response. I stand with you sir
JD carried a ..... Pen.
Well Said....
No Walz attacked first but lets be clear it was Walz team members called him out on it so you talk to them
All military service is dangerous. Members are killed every year just in training exercises, between 2006 and 2020 over 5,000. Every soldier and Marine is first a ground pounder and can be called to take up the rifle at a moment's notice.
Vets should not be disrespecting other vets.
To do so for political gain is reprehensible.
THANK YOU FOR REALITY!
So is lying about your rank. Walz did NOT retire as a CMDSGTMAJ, he retired as an E8 Master Sergeant. That is Stolen Valor, because Walz uses it in his campaign speeches. So, now is Walz reprehensible?
@@earlmcclung9573 The rank you receive for retirement income purposes and that which you finish with are not necessarily the same.
Much ado about nothing.
Reprehensible describes the GOP.
@@earlmcclung9573 The rank you receive for retirement pay purposes and the rank you end with are not necessarily the same.
I am a retired USN. I was never in Viet Nam and have never claimed to be a Viet Nam vet (never served There) but when asked I am a Viet Nam Era vet. When in the Military we were educated that we could never involved any active political activity except voting in elections. Walz could not be active or reserve military member and run for congress so he chose to retire. Support of military soldiers is also serving our country. Also it impressive that top rank was Sgt . Major and doing work of a Command master sgt. He has also proved to be a friend to vets and veterans Administration in congress. To a 20 year USN vet I applaud him.
Over TWO DECADES in the Guard, NOT Active Duty! 20 years in the Guard equal 1 year of Active Duty (one weekend a month, two weeks a year). You do the MATH!!!!
Severe hearing loss would have prevented his deployment even if he had not retired. If he offered to help change a flat for me, I'd be grateful. If Vance stopped and made an offered, I would lock myself in the car and drive off as quick as possible. Risk the tire coming off the rim. Vance has that sleaze vibe.
@@sandrasmith-h4n Hahaha, are you a tool. Over TWO DECADES in the Guard, NOT Active Duty! 20 years in the Guard equal 1 year of Active Duty (one weekend a month, two weeks a year). You do the MATH!!!!
@@iamgermaneThis comment goes to show me, a 21 year active duty retired veteran, that you don’t know what you are talking about. Reservists have a mandatory weekends every month, two weeks a year, deployments and recalled for periods up to and sometimes beyond a year. He achieved Sgt Major/E9 which is the highest enlisted rank and honorably wore the uniform for 24+ years. That is something notable! 🇺🇸
@@dvazz He was only deployed to Italy for 3 months! Most of the time before 2000 they did not get deployed for much, if any, time! Yes, I know this because I was both Active and Reserves. HE WORE A UNIFORM PART-TIME, NOT FULL-TIME AS IN ACTIVE DUTY.
Governor Walz neither “dropped out” nor abandoned his unit. He retired from the Army after serving four years beyond the 20 year retirement point. Vance dropped out of the USMC after one tour.
He known about he might be called to war 2 years but that then what Vance going after he going after him saying he been in war when there no record of war going to Italy wasn't a war
His own unit's Chaplain calls him a "coward" publicly today for deserting his unit when they were called up. And by your own lack of logic you just attacked a Marine Combat Correspondent for what your Weekend Warrior communist POG did. Walz was only in it for the money and political clout. When he was actually called to serve, he quit. Like a coward. There's very good reasons why we active duty Soldiers make Weekend Warriors go last in the chow hall.
Governor Walz himself disrespected his own service by lying (multiple times). But more than lying, he committed an unforgivable mistake when he referred to the national Guard in a derogatory manner when asked about his reluctance as governor of MN to deploy them while the city of Minneapolis was being destroyed in the riots. His own people (constituents and National Guard) call him a coward as is their right to do so. That he is an open advocate for communism, teaches on the topic, and has made 30 trips to Communist China should be cause of concern for everyone.
Trump worlds biggest liar
Hypocrisy - Trump Lies constantly , but waltz tells one and maga starts screaming . Trump well over 40,000 out right lies since in office
@@sfbmod Well Said! As a US NAVY disabled Veteran I can say that this is right on point! I just wish that folks would quit saying that Timmy served for over 20 years. Just because you have a contract but only work 2 days a month and maybe a deployment 2x per year does NOT mean you served during your "OFF" time. Do the math! This Veteran calls BS on most of what comes out of Timmy's mouth.
Walz served 24 years in the National Guard, retiring as a Command Sergeant Major. Vance served 4 years as a news correspondent, never saw action himself, and left as a Corporal, and now serving Cadet Bonespurs. Militarily JD Vance didn't have the right to look Tim Walz in the eye
Well your comment is the whole basis for the argument. Walz has stated in MULTIPLE campaign speeches that he is a retired Command Sergeant Major. He is NOT. He is a retired E8 Master Sergeant. The very definition of Stolen Valor is to claim to have been awarded a rank or medal that you were NOT awarded, and to use that representation for personal gain. Back in 1996 Admiral Mike Boorda committed suicide after claims were made that he wore two ribbons with a "V" device for Valor that he was not entitled to wear. It was later discovered that he WAS indeed entitled to wear those devices and his record reflects that. That is how serious Stolen Valor is to men of Honor.
@earlmcclung9573 I don't know where you get your information but it was stated by everyone who worked with him and on the official records that Walz was a CSM.
Walz is also for wide open borders, meaning he doesn't care if innocents are raped and killed by cental American gangs. What say you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Walz was not a COMMAND sergeant major. You are posting misinformation.
Walz is a traitor that claims semi-automatic rifles is "weapons of war" - he lies like a scumbag he is.
Vance held a camera not a gun. He was a "correspondent" with a desk job that deployed for 6 months to shoot pictures not enemy combatants. Despite him trying to church it up Vance was a desk jockey for the majority of his time in the military.
Actually he "held" both.
Correct and let us circulate this to go viral
So he's a POG?
Yes you're Right 💯💯💯💪🏽
Church it up. 🍺🍺🍺🍺. So neither of these clowns were combat units??? Is that what I am understanding. Also thanks now I gotta watch Joe dirt after I finish Wayne’s world.
Captain Bonespurs bringing up questions about Walz’s 24 year career in the National Guard is the ultimate hypocrisy.
It's not about his service it's about his life about it Trump didn't say he was in the service and went to war because he he didn't
Hypocrisy is the orange loser's middle name.
@@rondepietro3441 ?
And your good with tampon tim LYING about his got it!!!!😂😂😂
that's Cadet Bonespurs...
24yrs in the service AND served honorably, how dare anyone question him. Vance was a marine and served his country, i thought marines had honor? How honorable is it to do what hes doing? Walz served his country for decades, he seeved his community as a school teacher, and served his state as a governor. What exactly has Vance done since the military aside from flip flop so hard on trump he ended up going from never trump to being on his knees in front of him at bedtime. No American with a conscience could vote for a man with absolutely no principles. Its time for a refreshing change. Its time to make history with our first female president. We are not going back.
Ya don’t question anything u sheep🤣 Walz said he carried weapons in war… what war? Where? Being a veteran doesn’t mean you can say whatever you like and not get called out…
STOLEN VALOR IS A SERIOUS THING TO THOSE OF US WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO JOIN!! HE HAS NO INTEGRITY OR MORAL COMPASS.... and that's YOUR guy for being one heartbeat from the presidency???!!! WOW!!!
Vance is all in for Trump, that speaks volumes about his “honor”
Tim's own unit Chaplin calls him a "coward" because of his dereliction to duty when their unit was called to serve. Vance proves he has the honor and integrity to call out Weekend Warrior Stolen Valor frauds who claim they saw combat and achieved command rank, but didn't. You and your party are everything those of us who actually serve fight against: communists.
@@tersalove3 thanks for proving Democrats always hate the US military. You communists are everything we swore to defend the Constitution from.
A full military career is usually 20 years. Tim Walz served his country for 24 years. Sir, thank you for your service!
Yes. Walz would have been 51 or close to it. At that age most people in the service are would have been thinking of what’s next for a while.
From now on, JD Vance is going to be called: *couch fooker Vance* . 😂
So why did he lie about carrying weapons in war?
@@hughjorg4008 And camela will be know as the hooker VP
@@melarrow6202 He was also injured and needed surgery for his ear damage
Serving in WAR doesn't mean being in COMBAT. Millions of Americans have served in wars over the last 248 years, but only a fraction have been in combat. JV Vance KNOWS this. SHAME on JV Vance! SHAME on his LIES. Every Veteran should be angry at JV Vance.
Walz has many times lied about his rank and position in the military. HIS own unit has called him out, yet YOU the coward should keep your mouth shut
He NEVER carried a weapon to war. He failed his mates and lied about his rank… that’s the point
@@benschlotte8242
Facts: Walz retired in May, 2005. Orders to deploy to Iraq were received by his unit in July, 2005. Stateside, Walz was only still in the Guard on a waiver due to his extreme hearing loss. He knew he was ineligible to be deployed to a war zone because he couldn't pass the physical. Paperwork also shows he filed to run for Congress around the same time, but he couldn't have been deployed to Iraq with his men in any case.
Facts: He did reach the rank of command sergeant major near the end of his service, but he officially retired one rank below as a master sergeant.
A national guard spokesperson told the BBC that “his rank reverted to master sergeant on May 15th, 2005, for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the US Army Sergeants Major Academy. He retired the following day.”
@@benschlotte8242 Facts: Walz retired in May, 2005. Orders to deploy to Iraq were received by his unit in July, 2005. Stateside, Walz was only still in the Guard on a waiver due to his extreme hearing loss. He knew he was ineligible to be deployed to a war zone because he couldn't pass the physical. Paperwork also shows he filed to run for Congress around the same time, but he couldn't have been deployed to Iraq with his men in any case.
Facts: He did reach the rank of command sergeant major near the end of his service, but he officially retired one rank below as a master sergeant.
A national guard spokesperson told the BBC that “his rank reverted to master sergeant on May 15th, 2005, for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the US Army Sergeants Major Academy. He retired the following day.”
And literally everything out of Trump's mouth is a lie, so let's be real here. Maga is reaching far with this one. Scared & whiny. Say what you want about Walz, but he gave 24 years of his life to serve in the NG. Doesn't matter if he was in a war or not, you can't negate his time given to this country. He also became a senator as you're claiming he failed his mates.. no he switched jobs, trump failed 6 businesses- all bankrupt. More to see there than with walz. Funny how every truth about trump is glossed over by the brainwashed.
@@benschlotte8242
Vance is talking "STUPID" just like Trump! Insulting, disrespectful, full of lies and it's all USELESS
You said it Brother!
You pitiful fool: 1) ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama's National Security Adviser.2) CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.3) ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former Obama Whitehouse Press Secretary Jay Carney.4) ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.5) ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.6) CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides, USA TODAY, NBC, MSNBC, NYT, WAPO, AP, and all local stations they parent…biased, censored, cut & clipped propaganda…the brainwashed haven’t figured it out…yet.
Walz abandoned his brothers in arms because he was scared...
Paul, why don't you direct your anger toward the Democrat party for not coming up with better candidates?
@@dtaylor939There's no one else that's worst than a felon and rapist like Trump!
Maybe someone should explain to non military personnel’s that : the weapon you are issued is the same weapon you take with you in war.. peace.. and any mission you are sent on.
Tampon Tim said he carried a gun in war. He did not. I dont expect you to understand that.
@@atheistdingo6273 - He carried a 'gun of war". He carried a gun in service of support for the Afghanistan war.
@@atheistdingo6273 if you want to be upset about people not going to war... I'd like to know how you feel about Donnie draft dodger. Was it okay for him to dodge the draft?
He misspoke... He should have said war time... So don't get in a bunch... BTW the tampon thing is false... But you can't figure things like that out... You love the bone spur draft fogger that hate' pows, gold star families, honored dead and veterans... That bragged about. Viewing young teenagers, partied with Epstein, civilly liable for assault...and so much more..
I guess we know your ability to figure out truth and integrity is flawed....
@@atheistdingo6273bone spur Donny didn’t even make it to serve. 😂😂😂😂
Piting veterans against veterans?! Draft dodgers smearing a sergeant major?! Wow🤡🤡
@jay4you853, well to be clear, he was put into that position but didn't attend the training to be one which is why he retired at a lower rank. I have seen it happen many times.
Well your comment is the whole basis for the argument. Walz has stated in MULTIPLE campaign speeches that he is a retired Command Sergeant Major. He is NOT. He is a retired E8 Master Sergeant. The very definition of Stolen Valor is to claim to have been awarded a rank or medal that you were NOT awarded, and to use that representation for personal gain. Back in 1996 Admiral Mike Boorda committed suicide after claims were made that he wore two ribbons with a "V" device for Valor that he was not entitled to wear. It was later discovered that he WAS indeed entitled to wear those devices and his record reflects that. That is how serious Stolen Valor is to men of Honor.
@@earlmcclung9573 Vance was a journalist: “I was lucky to escape any real fighting,”
Walz had already filled retirement papers to retire when he'd done 24 years of service, BEFORE his troop were notified they may be sent to Iraq.
Also :"A national guard spokesperson told the BBC that “his rank reverted to master sergeant on May 15th, 2005, for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the US Army Sergeants Major Academy. He retired the following day.”"
@@earlmcclung9573 Just shut up
@@earlmcclung9573he achieved the position of CSM by temporarily filling a slot.. ROTC candidates fill in slots of E5 for a pay grade .. this is how the military works.. soldiers on the front lines also receive combat commissions on rare occasions..
Tim Walz served 24 years in the military.
Trump is a draft dodger.
Enough said.
I'll never stand with people who think allowing grown men in dresses and high heels to read stories to children at libraries is acceptable 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
Mind your business
Trump is not running for VP cupcake
Did he have tampon dispensers in the men’s room in the military?
@terrancekane8203, He lied and profited from it. He was elected. That’s against the law.
Well maybe Vance could ask Walz that to his face in a debate. Oh wait, Vance has refused to debate Walz! Vance served 4 years taking photos and showing journalists around, Walz served 24, then served his country in Congress and as a Governor and let's not forget his years as a teacher and coach. A lifetime of service versus a man who stands for nothing.
And lest we forget Vance is the running mate of a Draft Dodger and someone who called fallen soldiers suckers and losers, so where is Vance's outrage at that?
Well said. Aren’t you glad you aren’t an ignorant, lying Republican?
it seems that he was deployed for 6 months to Iraq ----- an enlisted combat correspondent, in public affairs over his 4 year enlistment
@@kevinkanter2537 was a tour guide to visiting journalists
Vance is a coward, and was nothing more than a pencil pusher
@@rickmoore4776 keeps getting more cringeworthy --- wayyy beyond hypocritical
The man was in his 40’s when he would have retired from the National Guard. I’m not looking at a 40yr old that has served just over 20yrs as ducking a damn thing!
And JD Vance was in like 5 years and bragged about not being in any combat (he was in an air-conditioned office. Who's gonna call him out on this, so we can get on to important issues.
@@nancytavares2826- JD Vance didn't lie about his service like Tampon Tim did.
@@ronkostars4258 I haven't heard Tim lie about it. I have heard repubs put words in his mouth that he didn't say though.
@@nannie2846 He lied about Commanding and leading troops in combat for 19 years before being called out on it. Now he is only implying it by referring to serving and then saying "weapons of war that I used".
As for the main comment about him serving for over 20 years, he "served" for 2 years and almost 6 months, with no plans to go to war.
He wanted the clout of being a veteran for his political resume but didn't want to do the actual service, and as soon as he heard he was gonna have to actually serve his country and lead his men, he ran away like a coward.
@@alexistaylor969 Gee, so you suppose 24 plus years ago he was planning on going into politics?? He left the National guard in May after submitting his paperwork 5 or more months before, so January or earlier. They were notified of a possible deployment in March...after he had already handed in his notice. He deserted his team that he had given notice to BEFORE the possiblity of deployment was known?? Tell me, how much time did DonOld serve? Oh, NONE!!! Ol' Bonespurs got lots of deferrments that dear ol' daddy bought. And Vance was a desk jockey reporting on the war lol.
i am a 73 year old male that was drafted into the U.S. ARMY in 1970 april.....before i could get into the U.S. AIR FORCE.... it was on the mid way end to the Vietnam war. i served 2 years as a military policeman and even though i volunteered for Vietnam it seemed that they didn't need the manpower there anymore BUT at the end of the day....your name could be pulled and you would find yourself over "there"...
i find it VERY UNPATRIOTIC for a former Marine-jd vance- (served 4 years)to try and "swiftboat" another Armed forces Veteran-T. walz( served 24 years)- for political points....both pledged to uphold the Constitution and both were in positions to be picked for actual combat as it was and is in the present armed forces.
Except JD has stated that he won't uphold the Constitution. His allegiance being to the former one term president and not, NOT the constitution. He served his country and currently serves the former president, no longer serving his country. His allegiance is to his hedge fund master and that bloated old insane narcissist.
It isn’t like JD Vance was on the front line. He worked in an office.
Did you give the impression you did serve in the best zone for gain? He did...until he explains in an INTERVIEW
And only one of them has agreed to terminate the constitution he swore to protect
Vance's statements and behavior are very disturbing indeed. I'm with Walz, not Vance. Vance is running for office with the guy who does not respect the Constitution that both Vance and Walz swore to uphold. I trust Walz completely to uphold his oath to the Constitution.
Why isn't carrying and training with assault rifle not a "weapon of war"? JDV was a correspondent, he wasn't in a fire fight, he was a news reporter. Thanks to both for their service but JDV is out of line saying his service was real and Walz's was not. McCain and Pat Tilden are examples of real war heros and we all watched Trump's criticism of McCain, still vile and revolting years later.
He said " a weapon of war IN WAR" Firstly, even if he had gone to war, which he didn't, he would have carried an M16. An M16 is NOT an AR15. VERY few M16s are in the hands of civilians, and to date, not a SINGLE one has killed a child.
Presumably JD Vance was writing fake news (according to his boss)?
@@earlmcclung9573 I agree those two words "In war" are problematic in his statement, and he's been asked to clarify that statement as it's not strictly correct. What I was pointing out is the hypocracy of JDV calling his rival out as a fake veteran and citing that his role is so much more than Walz's role, it was not. Taking the high road, Walz thanked JDV for his service, I appreciate both of them serving our country. Trump on the other hand has been recorded on multiple instances disparaging veterans, stating McCain is not a hero because he was caught, too many quotes examples for anyone to conclude other than the fact that Trump doesn't appreciate "service" from what he calls "suckers" whether that be in the military, on the force or in the classroom.
@@kestralrider313 the "suckers" comment has been debunked, just like a lot of left-wing battle cries. But you won't hear that from the best propaganda artists in the nation, the left-wing driven media.
@@earlmcclung9573Splitting hairs differentiating between types of guns. All guns are “weapons of war”, as guns have no other purpose than killing and destruction.
A knife can be used to prepare food as well as stabbing someone. A hammer can be used to build as well as destroy. Guns have ONE purpose.
I don't care if he was in war or not he is still a veteran for 24 years, and he is a sergeant. Give that man the respect he deserves
Nope. The men he abandoned are telling it like it is.
@@Debe-gm8ms His Military Record sure beats the hell out of Trump's doesn't it?
@@Debe-gm8ms24 yrs in the military. You look like a fool.
Walz abandoned his brothers in arms because he was scared...
@@santaclaus3077Stolen Valor is where people who never served are wearing the uniform portraying that they had served and it is a Federal Offense... Press charges! Or, when a service member wears a ribbon/award they did NOT earn. Punishable by UCMJ.
Let's talk about the orange guy who's Vietnam was dodging venereal disease, who's bone spurs kept him out of WAR.
Maybe it's the VD that has affected his brain now.
Sure, let's talk about it, hope your critical thinking skills are up to par.
No one with any common sense denounces a Vietnam draft dodger, whether left or right, it was hell and we had no business being there. That is why we, the general public, don't shit on Biden for being a draft dodger.
In relation to the current topic on the other hand, Walz played soldier for less than 20 months in total over that 24 year period because it looked good on his political resume, but the moment war occurred and he had to deploy, he filed his paperwork to leave and called his political friends to have his paperwork expedited so that he wouldn't get stop-lossed and have to deploy.
No one would blame him for that if he was just honest, and said I am old now and I don't want to risk dying, I served my time, you had your chance to kill me off, I am out.
But he lies and says he served proudly, and claims he served in combat in a Command position.
I know they quit teaching critical thinking skills in public schools in the 90s, but try to keep on track, the issue isn't his service, it is his lying about his service.
Mohamed Ali dodge Vietnam and your poit is?
For Walz to respond by thanking Vance for his service is PERFECT. Who looks like an unpatriotic whiny couch baby??
The one who lied
@@gacj2010 Se we agree that would be Vance. Cool.
Couch fluffer
I would leave it alone if I were Walz.
@@JGH-wn3tb he's got to clear it up with Truth...in an interview.....the trouble is when he explains ....it will be a different explanation and that will out doubt into things he said and says..
Do you remember Duck Blumenthal of Conn. Said he was in viet Nam ...but was same thing ...never was
I am a veteran, and this upsets me. Why are we questioning Tim's service? The man served 24 years and did so honorably. What kind of veteran dishonors another veteran's service for their own gain the way JD did? He forgot the Marine code to never lie or cheat, to abide by an uncompromising code of integrity, to respect human dignity, and to have respect and concern for each other.
Thank You for Your Service,This is very upsetting to me to,I can't believe a Veteran would talk about another Veteran for political gain,Tim Walz even thanked Shady Vance for his service,This is completely out of control IMO
Vance has clearly traded in his Marine code for the Donald "Bonespurs" Trump code of lie, cheat, slander, and steal your way through life. Too bad, it's a miserable, petty existence, denigrating everyone all the time.
I thank both of you veterans for your service. BUT I believe you are not understanding what is being said. He never achieved the rank of Command Sergeant Major AND that is why there is the issue of STOLEN VALOR being spoken about him.
Bullshit! I served 20yrs active duty and we have names for Soldiers/leaders that lie about deploying...."stolen valor"!!! Walz is a weekend warrior hes 24rs of service dont accumulate to 10yrs of active duty! He shouldnt have lied if he knows the 7 Army values:
Loyalty,Duty,Respect,Selfless service, Honor,Integrity,Personal courage.
And dont get me started about he retired before deployment. We find out a year out about deployment so you can get your family matters in order, its not just hey you were deploying in 6 months. He also lied about being command Sgt Major , he was just a Master Sgt. He cant be trusted...not following the Army values!
@@wesley8616 That's not true- look it up.
As a fellow veteran, I’m not going to disparage JD Vance’s service. He was a Marine who served his country and left the military with an honorable discharge. Well done. However, I have to say how disappointed I am that JD Vance, a fellow vet, knowingly and falsely claimed the Walz was guilty of stolen valor. The worst thing you can say about a veteran. He said this to score political points. What dishonorable thing to do.
My dad did two years in the Army, as part of the late 1950s peacetime draft, and all of it was in Colorado Springs. He had nothing good to say about the experience until he found out he was eligible for VA benefits. Miss you, Daddy!
I mean, as an active duty service member, I'll make fun of him for eating crayons, but that's about it. Mostly just because inter-service teasing is part of the fun.
Falsely? It's the truth.
If the Democrats message what you said, it would turn independents against Trump.
@Pumpkin0_0 I mean, if you've served in the military, you know we're taught that every type of service is towards war efforts and that slight embellishments are par for the course. I'd say Walz maybe exaggerated, but I wouldn't call it a full lie.
Walz already retired before his unit received the deployment notice ... so there's that. And Vance is a sycophant to bone spurs.
As someone who has also served, Vance should know exactly how long the retirement process takes. 4-6 months minimum, depending on the branch of serve. My ex started his retirement process an entire year before he actively retired from the Air Force. Vance is a jerk for no reason at all. He should be proud of those who have served honorably.
All the GOP can do is lie and muddy the waters. It’s all they have. Their policies are unpopular. Their candidates are incompetent.
Yet you were fine with Timpons couch comment, which was a snarky attack on Vance from sexual angle?
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 That was a joke. To attack Walz in this way, when most wartime veterans do not see combat, is only making himself look bad. JD would've been better off learning to take a joke and keeping his mouth closed.
Walz retired 10 months before his unit deployed to Iraq. Not 'right before'. And the deployment wasn't announced until 3 months after his retirement.
Also, they're misrepresenting his statement. He didn't say he was in war. Listen again. "... We can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried, in war is the only place where those weapons are at."
@@countdebleauchamp Republicans, especially Traitor Trump and Name Changer Vance, doing what they are very good at, which is outright lying and misrepresenting the facts.
What is that weird name changing things about with Vance, anyway? Very strange.
😂 BS He didn’t retire 10 months before and he lied about carrying a weapon of war in combat
Vance is a scumbag for attacking a fellow vet.
This is all they have, besides spending their time telling us about Harris is not white.
😂
Vance didn't fight. He was taking journalists on tours
@@TinaS-s1z Trump already challenged her, you dummy. She won't accept the challenge.
@@TinaS-s1z I watch a lot of videos and I always see Demoncraps run away from debates? You just watch cnn right? Open your eyes 👀
I’ve never served in the military, yet I know I don’t want military hardware on the streets.
It’s not rocket science 🙄
What weapons are on the street that are used by the US Military?
@@ClassicFIHDYou beat me to the question I would also like to know what weapons that are used by our military are currently available on the streets because there are none
@@ClassicFIHD Looks like another brainiac full of semantics. Definitely one for the "well regulated" list.
If it were up to me we would have bolt action rifles with no magazine and breakover shotguns and nothing else. But considering the guns already present in the country that isnt very realistic.
@@ClassicFIHD Semi-Auto versions of M16 type rifles which, thanks to corrupt judges, are now able to be used in full-auto because of the use of "bump stocks".
Vance is 40 now. Age is a factor for combat in war. Running for office also plays a part. Vance is smearing a fellow military person, SHAME on him.
It is your moral responsibility to smear a stolen valor coward.
@@skylarc6063 Only there is no stolen valor. That's just typical inflammatory BS. The guy retired after 24 years, and never claimed anything besides serving.
@@skylarc6063 Would you be able to define "stolen valor"? For us in the back, of course.
@@skylarc6063 Then smear Trump for having bone spurs and never going. At least this man served in his community.
Many would call what Vance is doing an act of betrayal against all other service members.
I did my military service in the U.S Coast Guard, during Vietnam. Are they telling me my service doesn't count? Let me share a story, I was standing at the bottom of Nob Hill in San Francisco proudly wearing my winter blues waiting for the cable car. A guy who was near by begun to scream "MURDERER, PIG, CHILD KILLER !" in that order I still remember it. I thought "man this guy is really pissed off at somebody" then I realized that somebody was 19 year old me. Some of us had to put up with some real sh*t in order to serve our country. The last thing we need is anybody to question it.
Thank you for your service friend. You are right my older brother served 2 tours over there. He came home for leave between the tours and he was spit on in Seattle airport while changing flights to come home. That was 1969. I remember him crying on the trip home after Mom and Dad picked him up.
He probably didn't like your age group either.
@@jeffbailey1546 We were not ordered but strongly told not to wear our uniform in public, can you believe that?
Thank you for your service and welcome home.
Thanks for your service. My wife was in the navy on the USS George Washington. Its seems to me that to republicans if you support the democratic party your service doesn't count. Republicans can sometimes be lame.
One would think that people in the armed services wouldn’t be so quick to disparage another serviceman. Accusing Walz of “Stolen Valor” is a repugnant defamation that will cost Vance.
It will hopefully destroy the entire Trump/Vance 2024 ticket because both these republicans are liars and scumbags.
I sure hope you are right. The Supreme Court has failed us and Congress has failed us. Let's hope the military still believes in honor because our justice system has completely forgotten it. Espionage and treason are perfectly fine now according to them! And they are about to help a wanna be dictator get back into office so the billionaires don't lose any more profits.
Didn't work out well for John Kerry years ago and he didn't do near what Walz has done. Pretty much the nail in the coffin for Walz pulling those cards out. Well that and all of the trans and alphabet soup ssoup stuff he supports. His snitching policies also don't sit well with me as that sounds like something Xi Jinping has done to his people in China. F-That!
If there's one thing you can't accuse the Trump campaign of it's behaving appropriately and with dignity.
Shady Vance has no integrity. He will say anything that Trump tells him to.
Gov. Walz trained soldiers on armaments for decades. For decades. That caused his hearing loss. When he was re-upping the last time, he was told he was going to be medically discharged because of his hearing loss. He convinced them he could still train others.
Tim Walz retired two months before the " deployment" You cannot fault him for retiring! JD Vance was a correspondent in Iraq, he didn't do combat duty there! This is ridiculous. Walz served 24 years. Why are we questioning this?? 🤔
Not even this is trze. He retired two months before his unit was informed that they eventually WILL deploy. On reality they delpyed one year later. He would have had to delay his retirement by 2,5 years in order to avoid jd chances dishonest attack.
Americans are not questioning Walz's service. Anti America, and haters of America are.
Wasn`t Iraq a "war zone", unlike Italy? Asking for a friend
@@tedthomas3436 let's be honest... The people who take one word from an obscure local event and at the sane time defend serial rapists, liars, fraudsters, name changers, adulterer is pathetic
His platoon knew in March he chickened out all this is from his other officers
Mr WALZ, is honored by black and brown people serving the national guard...because my father served to...however Trump dodges the draft 5 times so thats not American
Did Walz install tampon dispensers in their men’s rooms?
I’m sure you were hard on Biden for his five deferments, right?
His deferments from being a student athlete & then law student? Lol. Keep reaching weirdo.
@@mhall801I hope so. I have been in need of one before and it would have helped to have them available for a fella to grab one. Are you someone who likes to pretend women don’t have periods?
@@janeburns7673
With a name like Jane I would think you needed them. Think
You missed the point there Jane.
Why is the press covering this garbage!!!
Because they don't learn from their past.
It's CNN this year they are trash
They call it reporting the news. They forget how often they create the news by talking about garbage as if it is news.
Because CNN is now Fox Lite.
It’s not garbage to talk about somebody’s military record, especially when the other side is trying to make it look like he’s not a war hero. It doesn’t matter if you shoot a gun or not.
I gave 10 years of my life in service to my country. Like Walz, I served in support of a war (Desert Storm) but I was never in the combat zone and my life was never in danger. Does that diminish my time and service? Was my service nothing? When you are in the military you have no choice where you serve. You go where they send you! I would have always done my duty and served my country whenever, wherever and however I was needed...
You're not lying about your service. A-Walz has.
Omg...if this is the only talking point the Republicans have, then they are in trouble this November
You haven't been listening for the last 3 years if you think that's the only talking point.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 After 3 years I have never heard Trump mention 1 policy he has planned, because he doesn't have any policies and never did.
@@robertirvine6307Trumps policy of keeping hiself out of prison.
@@robertirvine6307 his policies are listed on his website you muppet, Harris has zero on hers. keep lying to yourself to feel better about voting for someone with zero plans
No Vance is a marine wannabe. He only served 6 months in a battle zone and he was just a reporter. A true Marine would not denigrate any veteran or active duty military member. Moreover, he would not want to take away from veterans benefits. Just go back and look at the footage of what he wants to do concerning veterans affairs. As a true marine, I I'm sick of people like this. One last thing. Anyone in the military swears an oath just like public servants including the office of the President, to protect an uphold the Constitution against ALL enemies. Foreign or domestic.
Are you a Marine?
@@edgomez1491 with all due respect, I believe I indicated that in my post.
@@gonzo007ish I saw that that, I also saw that you stated a “true” Marine would not denigrate a veteran, yet you call someone who earned his globe and anchor a wannabe. Just trying to understand.
Walz wants to give 66 billion dollars to immigrants and 3 billion to veterans. And impersonate a CSM while doing it. He's disgusting.
Calling a veteran "stolen valor" because he has never been in combat is the same as calling a musician an "impersonator" because he/she never became famous.
And if you want to use that argument, you better not have served in Iraq for 6 months in a nice office room with full AC as a combat correspondent. He was a journalist. He got pedicures as our soldiers were dying.
The point is AND YOU KNOW IT, is that he CLAIMED to have served in combat, but he DIDN"T.
That is the dumbest comment so far. Congrats.
Lying to say you are a rank you didn't get because you didn't complete the school. Is like saying you are a Doctor when you aren't
If there is no shame in a lower rank why did he lie about it. EVERY veteran knows what rank you are when you leave. You see the pay scales and know your retirement every month would be a reminder.
@@duanekelly-fe5bt That's not what he said, he said he used the same weapon used for combat. I have served in the Army National Guard for 6 years and not once did I fire my weapon. Does that mean me and my entire unit are stolen valors? NO.
I love that ALL this questions about someone who did serve and they ready to vote for a guy who NEVER SERVED!!!
And they are upset about a single lie --- Washington Post's fact-checkers documented 30,573 false or misleading claims during Trump's presidential term, an average of about 21 per day.[1][5][6][7] The Toronto Star tallied 5,276 false claims from January 2017 to June 2019, an average of 6 per day.[2] Commentators and fact-checkers have described the scale of Trump's mendacity as "unprecedented" in American politics,[13
He didn’t just “drop out” of the military. It doesn’t work that way. He trained soldiers.
Yes, after getting his orders, he left 500 men high and dry by “retiring”, and THEY are speaking out about it. He lied about his rank, and the DNC is whitewashing and changing it. He drove 96 mph, DRUNK, wouldn’t pull over, finally forced to, and claimed he didn’t hear the siren…guess he drove blind too…didn’t see the flashing bar on top of the police car either. He was a teacher then.
....AND THEN LIED ABOUT HIS RANK FOR 20 YEARS
Did Walz actually say he carried those guns in war? I think he spoke broadly. guns we carry or use in wars, which sounds perfect to me. Furthermore, he seems likable and a decent guy. Unlike the other old fella, the king of lies constantly gets a pass. The last CNN debate proves that.
Yup and even the wife's comment. They are giving a real cynical interpretation. Probably much more a "hey I don't want to ignore what is happening even when I am at home" So the exact opposite of what they are trying to spin it as.
Walz makes Trump and JD look like the most qualified candidate ever, what do Trump and JD have to offer America?
I think they're splitting hairs. He did say "I carried in war," but it's not a misrepresentation because he and his unit were deployed during wartime. Vance is a phony who touts his own military service, but Vance was a reporter and not a combat soldier. Vance is disgusting. When Vance speaks, he looks oily like a used car salesman.
@@robertirvine6307 Bitterness, hate, vitriol, greed, name-calling, lies, fear, dictatorship...
@@robertirvine6307 I assume like the most unqualified?
Walz trained hundreds of soldiers in artillery school both in the states and abroad. He was offered an honorable retirement after 20 years and was encouraged to do so over hearing loss from his duties, he stayed another 4 years beyond that and was in line for a promotion when he retired. The fact is at the rank he would've received he have never been in close combat even if he had stayed. He left because as he was receiving treatment for him hearing loss he saw first hand how poorly vets were being treated in post combat situations, he left military service for public service to help those vets. I'll back him and Harris over JD and the liar any day of the week.
Nice try but deflection and gaslighting are no longer working. The videos and service record of yellow backed Walz discredit your comments.
After 20 years in National Guard Tim Walz can retires, but he served 24 years. Veterans should respect other Veterans and men in service, this is the golden rule, JD Vance is despicable.
so awesome that Walz thanked Vance for his service. Contrast could not be starker!
The media taking the bait again. Please ask why JD is standing by a guy who dodged service and called service members idiots.
@topper, please show the proof that trump called them idiots. It was a rag newspaper that made the claim and no other agency would even touch it. And no, I don't support trump or harris. They both suck.
And wouldn't visit a cemetery in France because he was worried his hair might get wet and collapse down flat onto his fat head to show he's virtually bald.
That is not an issue on when his paperwork was done. Stop trying to make it something when it is not .. need to say more about "trump's" draft dodging and him being a convicted sexaul felon.
Thank you. I'm not in the military but my cousin was, very very close family and I can tell you that he put it as paperwork a long time before he actually retired. He did so because if they were to go and start another mission or do something else, he didn't want to be pulled away from his men in the middle of it. He wanted them to have time to find a replacement and advance someone else I think that's more than honorable!
You have JD Vans on one side who is, in my opinion, nothing more than a little rich boy who went to Yale and has a bunch of millionaire trillion backers, and Walz any other corner. So we decided to focus on something like this, they can damage his campaign. I really wish that they would stop publishing every piece of information they get, before they get every single fact.
Walz is right. He knew that if he was pulled away to another mission or something, that would look really bad on his military record. It would look like he was pulled away from his men. How is that not an honorable thing to do to back away and pull away before it makes and puts everyone in a bad spot. They're just looking for things
And Jeffery Epstein and the act of espionage and insurrection that occurred just a few short years ago now given the full blessings of the Supreme Court and Judge Aileen Cannon. Folks, we have bigger fish to fry! Stop letting petty details derail our goal and muddy our values. Don't let Fox keep anyone in the dark! Our democracy is on the line as it has never been before! That is what we must fight for and win. If we have learned anything about Trump from his last term in office we should be crystal clear that no lie is too big for him and that he is not just trying to be funny. He means what he says and on day one he will become a dictator. He has never claimed he was innocent! All he ever says is he has the right to do whatever he wants as President. If we allow him to win, we will never have to vote again because he or some version of him will never leave office. Ever! At least not in our lifetimes. Elections or not. The planet is being poisoned and we don't have much time left. The rich know this! The MAGA mindset will become the new National Anthem. There won't be much of anything left if we don't win this one. Stay focused!
Walz abandoned his brothers in arms because he was scared...
@@warglo6170 you keep spamming this comment and showing your ignorance.
Raymond you are a Walz apologist
To discredit veterans that did not see combat or service in a combat zone is unacceptable behavior,
The amount of time we’re spending forcing Walz to defend himself, but we’re ignoring Vance and trump’s military record, is utterly embarrassing and wrong.
well vance didn't lie about serving in Iraq he was in Iraq unlike Walz who lied and left his unit as the top enlisted leader Kamala never served in the military are you going to criticize her for not serving like I am sure you will with Trump ?????
it's about him lying, not about anything else...
@@furiousstyles1325 So did Kamala
Did Biden serve?
@@antholianmartyr4860 I don't see that he lied about anything. I'm sure he carried guns in the military, so where's the lie?
Retiring...is NOT abandoning your unit.
Ya, a guess he should have went years earlier.
He should have stuck to his first title-Tampon Tim😂
ua-cam.com/video/Wj09nFnGKXg/v-deo.htmlsi=cktVjMuTf8pXlcne Skipped his chain of command.
Yeah and his rank was Command Sargeant Major. SMH
@@chucklemakka1588 He should have stuck with tampons.
Vance (named Hamel at the time) spent 4 years in the Marines as a journalist.
He spent 6 months in Iraq as a "combat correspondent" but he saw no combat.
At the end of 4 years, he had no commendations and was still a corporal.
I would rather have a person like Governor Walz as VP than JD Vance. Walz is respected and spoken highly by his students, players, and faculty.
And he's always been honest about his career which is how the Marines operate. Honor, Courage, Committment
@@semperfi6801yet Vance displays none of that.
I know Vance was E-4, but he sure comes off like one of those junior officers.
Kinda hard to write about combat and not be in combat Skippy…he was trained to use a gun too. Walz has the men he abandoned coming out to say Walz is a coward, and also lied about his rank.
Vance was in Baghdad as social media in comfy office but never saw combat. He left after 4 yrs and is a disgrace to many Semper Fi Veterans and serving.
Intentionally misrepresenting a veteran's service record is beyond weird.
But but but they're the party if respecting the military.
They did the same thing to John Kerry in 2004 and they questioned Tammy Duckworths service who lost two legs in a crash while in service.
Calling a veteran "stolen valor" because he has never been in combat is the same as calling a musician an "impersonator" because he/she never became famous.
It's wrong. It doesn't matter if it's being done to Corporal Hamel or SergeantMajor Walz, or any other veteran who honorably served America, it's wrong.
DJ Vance statement is pathetic.
Watz claimed he retired a staff sergeant but lied about being demoted before retirement.
Men of honor don’t insult another’s military service. Perhaps JD should focus on his own experiences or that of his running mate.
As someone who has served in our nation's military, Men of Honor point out the lies of other men.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 anyone supporting JD’s distortions and allegiance to a leader of an insurrection against democracy has no honor, nor a voice worthy of consideration.
Yes we do when they lie about it. Your apparently not a Vertern.
@@likeorasgodBut I'am a 20yr vet from Vietnam era and I agree with him.
Walz isn't a man of honor. He lied about his rank and record. He should be ineligible to all True Americans. Go figure that democrats adore him though.
Can’t believe this is even a debate discussion smh
They got jack, and they know it. Donnie is traitor, and so are they.
It's not even worth mentioning, it seems the news services. Don't know what to broadcast.
This all that Trump/Vance can run on, nothing but hate and insults.
When all of their policies are highly unpopular they must resort to slander it's all they have.
Retired veteran here and there’s a difference between saying you carried a weapon in war and saying you carried a weapon in combat. He’s technically correct since he was deployed during a time of war and had a weapon
JD Vance was a paper-shuffling secretary who never saw a minute of combat.
And he was truthful about. Tim was the one who lied about it and then got caught.
how is this stolen valor?? the most when someone does that horrible act, stolen valor, is when the person never served in the military. both Vance and Walz did. Vance and his group are just reaching to the extreme where he doesn't even care or respect a veterans status. he is using his position to degrade and attack for political gains, its disgusting. this is why the gop do not respect our veterans.
Except that it is the GOP who respects our veterans and mostly GOP who are our veterans.
Stolen Valor is any time your doing something that you didn't do towards the military. Saying you fought in war when you didn't is Stolen Valor from those that actually did deploy and fight in combat zones.
The definition of Stolen Valor is claiming to have earned or been awarded a medal or rank that you did not, then using that claim to further your personal gain. Walz claims MULTIPLE times that he is a retired Command Sergeant Major. He is NOT. He is a retired E8 Master Sergeant. He uses that line in several campaign speeches (they are all over UA-cam) since his days running for Congress. That is the exact definition of Stolen Valor. I am not taking anything away from Walz's service, but when you lie about your rank, it is what it is.
Why would anyone be surprised that Vance is as much a liar as his running mate???
@@midwife1324 Are you stupid? Keep up Karen. Walz is the liar not Vance.
My entire professional family left the Republican Party last year. Trump's corrupt lies, evil responses, and cowardly actions are pathetic. He now knows he has LOST big time in the eyes of the world. BUT the more he gets people to pay attention to him with his lies - satisfies his sociopathic mind. That is the only escape he has on Nov. 6th when he loses and is never seen again except in court as a felon. He is disgusting and vile to even think he can sit in the White House again!
Trump didn't make Walz tell lies about his service record. Stop gaslighting.
Very well said!!
@WatrfrontTampa Are you talking about the lies about Trump colluding with Russia? Or something else?
When decorated retired Generals Mattis and Kelly said that Trump is incompetent and not fit to lead, I'm going to trust the word of two honorable military men over a consistently lying, narcissistic, self-centered felon that puts himself before the country.
@@WatrfrontTampa 👍Kudos. People are so ignorant of Trump and his lies! They don’t have a clue about him except what Trumplicans say. They can’t even be reasoned with, so I’ve quit trying. God Bless!
That fact that both of these men took an honor to serve our country whether they went to war or not…. It’s to be respected…. period Thank You both for your service
Vance can't tell the truth to save his soul!!! Harris-Walz for freedom and truth!!!
And socialism and communism and wokeism!
@@billydemol8817 HELL YEAH BROTHER!
Perfect for trumps team.
I AGREE !
Thank you Ohio Republicans for voting out Tim Ryan who voted for EVERY bill to HELP YOU, and Vance has voted NO on every bill that helps you..
I’m doing phone banking in OH right now and it’s just sad to see how they are voting in spite of themselves. Then complain about how they are suffering. It’s a shame really
@@dominquelucas4971 The same with Jordan.. Hasn't written one bill, never in his 16yrs in Congress but they keep putting him back into office.. I have never understood how they can vote AGAINST themselves...
@@Swnsasy I’m phone banking for the senate race and the republican candidate is known for stealing wages from his own employees and it’s amazing how many people will tell me well that’s what companies do. And I’m voting for him. He literally said that social security is NOT an entitlement and the people who I’m talking to are worried about loosing that ENTITLEMENT yet still plan on voting for him 🤦🏾♀️
@@SwnsasyJordan is one of those types who “really tells people (i.e. the other side) off”. That makes some people feel like he’s actually doing something. His jacket off and rolled-up sleeves are part of the act.
@@ARichardP I was sent a video of Boehner calling him all sorts of colorful names, along with Ted Cruz.. I laughed so hard.. 🤣
A man who served as a TOUR GUIDE for four puny years is attacking a man who served 24 years. Riiiight.
acctually 24 in the reserves so tim probably only about 4 years total active duty. tim is lying about his service.
@@chriswiggins9644 LOL SURE. By your fake estimate then, Shady never even served.
@@indranidasgupta8982 im retired from the marine corps so i understand where vance is coming from
@@chriswiggins9644 gotta love this mentality that marines are considered the "real military service" and all other jobs and branches in the govt don't count because they didn't fight or kill..
All of that were active know how much of a joke PT is. He'll, even the PT people will tell you.
I want to add, I grew up in the coal fields of WVA, lived in company housing. I am very familiar with hillbillies. Vance is not a hillbilly. He doesn't have a clue. Hillbillies are brave, strong, hardworking, smart people. Just because they have a particular accent doesn't mean they are dumb. If someone needs help, they are there to help without expecting anything in return. Sometimes they are too trusting. But God love them. They are unique and a treasure.
Excuse me but the man at the top of the GOP ticket dodged the draft
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Excuse me but Americans have more money in their pockets, no wars and a secure border with President Trump.
I’m sure you were irate over Biden’s five deferments, right?
@@mhall801pubs submarined lankfords border bill so rump could whine about the border crisis thru the election.
@@mhall801rumps tariffs will skyrocket inflation for the middle class.
@@evolutionistheflyingspaghe2702 evolution denier, lol
This just shows how many people don't understand what a sergeant major is, as a job, rank and temporary assignment, and how politicians exploit the lack of knowledge.
I don't know much about being in the Army but I know what a DD-214 is. I want to see Walz's DD-214
they dont hand out temp. ranks..........he failed to complete the classes needed to be S.M. every job in military is temp........show us how smart you are.and run cover.
Just shows how many people don't know what danger a "public relations Marine" has to endure. Sometimes the showers aren't hot. Sometimes the dining hall runs out of relish. #REMF
@@theProntolol are you serious?
@@terryjohnson3479 He was in the F_ing National Guard. The ones who defend the American way of life in the event of an emergency like hurricanes, tornados, or attacks on our soil. We need them way more than Military journalists who write stories and are kept away from harm by real soldiers. Vance is still "writing stories" and making up stuff for the Big Orange Blowfish.
Walz retired after 20 years (normal retirement age for the military), then unretired after 9/11 and served 4 more years. Those are the facts.
you are leaving out a few facts. The ones that are being disputed.
And he put tampons in the boys' bathrooms in his state. FACT
@gnlout7403 Walz deployed with his unit to Italy in 2003 to support troops in Afghanistan. Like many soldiers, he left behind his wife and baby daughter, not knowing if he'd ever see them again. UNLIKE many soldiers, he did NOT sign up to be deployed to a foreign nation. As part of the National Guard, his job was supposed to be protecting us here at home - but he went to Italy anyhow because that's what America asked him to do. Walz retired in 2005, *2 MONTHS* before an alert came in that his unit would be going to Iraq. *The NG requires that you apply for retirement 90 days to 9 months before your retirement, which means that he applied for retirement ATLEAST 5 MONTHS before the alert came out.*
@@snowrose101 do more research. Breitbart has info you're seeking. Unfortunately
@gnlout7403 If you're talking about Walz rank AT retirement, he didn't lie. He DID get the promotion but had not completed the requirements to get the retirement funds at that rank. BTW, don't ever consider Breitbart the be-all and end-all of information. They have a tendency to stop looking for info when they find something they want to run with.
4 yrs vs 24 yrs, need I say more
also 24 yrs vs bone spurs. need I say more
Vance stayed with his men, and Walz left his men when they left for combat. He also lied about his rank which he marked as a crime.
There's an enormous difference between serving years and being in combat... so yeah, not following you on that.
@@hes1shot671Neither person saw combat. Not the point. Walz achieved and served as the rank he claims he did. Military retirement doesn't work like you would assume. The rank and benefits you retire with don't always match the rank you are when you retire. Your retirement rank and benefits are based on certain criteria like how long you have held your current rank. Upon retirement Walz didn't have his current rank long enough to be eligible for it to be retirement eligible, so his retirement rank and benefits were demoted to his previous rank. That's how it works. Also, dude was 41 and was 4 years past retirement eligibility.. he can retire honorably from service whenever. Either way he retired before deployment was even announcement. Some people are either bots are brain washed at this point.
@@adventusproductionsThat is true what you are saying, but this isn’t good for him:
A former battalion commander of Walz's National Guard unit also issued a scathing rebuke of the way the Minnesota governor has described his military rank since retiring and entering politics, writing on Facebook that Walz "did not earn the rank or successfully complete any assignment as an E9," referring to the governor's repeated use of the title.
"It is an affront to the Noncommissioned Officer Corps that he continues to glom onto the title. I can sit in the cockpit of an airplane, it does not make me a pilot. Similarly, when the demands of service and leadership at the highest level got real, he chose another path," wrote John Kolb, who became lieutenant colonel of his Minnesota unit shortly after Walz retired and launched his bid for Congress. When reached for comment, Kolb told ABC News that his statement "speaks for itself."
The guy served and that’s honorable, but if he has been using his E9 title for years even though he didn’t earn it, that’s not good.
There are those who are fighting to give ten year old kids free school lunches. And then there are those who are fighting to force ten year old kids to give birth.
The choice is yours, dear US citizens.
Some are fighting to trans them without their parents knowing
@@bobcob3362Okay Jon Voight
@camelsheit_on_the_walls446, Who was it that put the tampons in the boys bathrooms?
@@bobcob3362yeah, cob.
Stick a cob in it. 🌽🤫
@@harryfarber6435a decent human who didn't want children bleeding through there clothes. Your obsession to the genitals will be your downfall.
He fired weapons of war with his artillery group. Like wtf. Maybe not in combat, but a howitzer is still a weapon of WAR.
weapon of war IN war.. is the part you'r emissing
@@Robert-lu3rzwhile stationed in Italy, during a time of war
Sure but are people shooting each other in the US with howitzers? Any way you spin it Walz comment was idiotic… get used to more
That isn't what he was talking about in that clip. The longer he stalls on owning that claim, the more Lump/Vance will stick it on him.
@@theman7350 Italy wasn't a _theater_ of that war, anymore than the U.S. was.
Nope, if he wants to debate the weird guy, he's going to own it, _fast._ There's no two semantics about it.
Why should regular citizens have weapons of war?!?! Can that guy answer that?!?!
No, they never do.
He said " a weapon of war IN WAR" Firstly, even if he had gone to war, which he didn't, he would have carried an M16. An M16 is NOT an AR15. VERY few M16s are in the hands of civilians, and to date, not a SINGLE one has killed a child.
@@earlmcclung9573Other countries and militants use AR15s
@@earlmcclung9573 Please re-watch the video, your quoting is WRONG.
@@ThePixilYT another bot
As a veteran, all these commebts fom people that havent served a day attacking my veteran brother. Also in the military, Vance would be a blue falcon. Guy that served minimum of 4 years calling a 24 year veteran is the discrase. Vance was a glorified photographer. He never saw combat either.
Talking shit about Tim Walz as if he served longer than 6 months as a Marine in public relations. Tim Walz was in the military for 24 years.
Also insulting a man who spent over 2 decades in the military while campaigning to be the VP to a man who dodged the draft 5 times is absolutely ignorant.
He never said he was in combat. Walz carried weapons and trained others how to use them so he would know first hand that those weapons should not be on our streets.
Vance is such a sociopath who continually finds new ways to insult Kamala and Walz instead of focusing on the American people.
So Walz served one day a month and 2 weeks a year. So he spent a total of 88 weeks wearing the uniform not counting basic training. So he actually "served" Less than 18 months
Bone spurs@@terryjohnson3479
Paid murderers
@@terryjohnson3479 That's just splitting hairs. You can discuss a topic without being grossly disingenuous about it. Or is that all you've got?
@terryjohnson3479 You say that like even discounting it down to 18 months isn't still 3 times longer than that 6 month deployment of Vance's everyone likes to bring up. And since when does combat time equal the sum total of military service? Cooks, journalists, bodyguards, and engineers (to name a few) all put in their time as well. Why does where you served and what you did really matter here, other than as a means to try to invalidate someone? It's childish at best imo 🤷
Only assholes would accuse a 24 year veteran of stolen valor.
Or weirdos
That's right as Tim Walz would say Mind Your Damn Business
Walz retired before his unit even got the orders that they were being deployed. I find it disgusting putting someone's service down.
Commanders are given notice 1 year prior. But it is not the face he cut and run on his company. It is that Walz lies and says he DID serve in combat. He did not.
Did you serve? Tim did 24 years in the military. I know active duty gets a notice if possible. I'm not sure about the national guard. Did you retire from the military? Do you know how it works? And if he did retire because of that find me someone that served 24-25 years. Trump had his daddy get him out so your argument is stupid.
@@FathomlessJoy trump also said the people that served are "sucker's and Losers". Your supporting that guy? If so don't call yourself a patriot or fly the flag.
@@steelrain79And he put tampons in the boys' bathrooms in his state. What a guy
@@maureenjohnston6578 and tRump was wearing maxi pads on his ear. lol.
military service is MILITARY SERVICE! I have RESPECT for anyone who takes that risk, same as I did.
The nerve of an E-4 public specialist talking shit to an E-9 with 24 years of service. its disgusting
HooYaaa, brother. Do you think Vance should drop and give us say..... 50.
You're E9 wants to give billions to immigrants and leave veterans homeless on the streets. He makes me puke.
No one is demeaning soldiers in the NG or their role. We are wondering why Walz lies about his service record.
@@davidsavage8333 I think Vance has a much better shot at that 50 than Timpon has at giving you say.... 5.
@@j.goebbels2134 What did he lie about? Do you not understand OCONUS and deployment terminology? Technically he deployed overseas and was at one point helping to train those headed to Iraq or Afghanistan. His unit was probably headed there as well, and it got changed. Most warfighter/MIT Teams/ other training groups orders change a lot. If you ever serve like myself, then you would know this.
Grasping at straws. Critisizing his service is absolutely shameful.
Why he went AWOL?
Nobody would have if he hadn't lied about it.
Posting on cnn when you don't know anything is what all democrats do
@@chuckxu5910 Reported for disinformation.
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing he’s a deserter fool
What about how Dementia Donnie let things get "a little out of control" at the Capitol in Washington D.C. on January 6th? Especially since he fomented the attack then sat back and watched it take place on TV.
Thank you CNN for splitting hairs over an insignificant part of an accomplished man’s service record. What more do you want from a man who served his country for 24 years in any capacity. What a disgrace for focusing on this.
He did use weapons of war because everyone in the military TRAINS with weapons of war. Do you think they use toy rifles on the range? Or fire nerf out of howitzers when testing artillery like he did? He may not have carried it during a war, but he trained with them enough to know just how dangerous they are in the hands of unstable people. Don't get caught in the weeds on this one CNN, you know better.
PS: Cpl James Hemel (AKA JD Vance's actual name) was a public affairs officer who didn't engage in combat once during his 6 month deployment. He served faithfully and deserves our respect for that but the man needs to hold onto those rocks in his glass house.
As a Canadian veteran (42 years in uniform) I’m disappointed, disgusted and angry that a clown like JD Vance has the audacity to question a 24 year service member’s integrity and service to his country.
I hear you. I served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and I have tremendous respect for anyone who serves no matter their role. Vance and Walz both served honorably, they deployed far away from their homes and had to leave their families to do difficult work in unfamiliar surroundings. They both made a sacrifice that most people don't make. Let's discuss their politics, not their service records.
Integrity? Same Walz who met with Biden after the debate and gaslit the public by saying the President was "fit for office" when asked if the Biden campaign should continue?
Walz was heavy artillery. He had surgery to repair some hearing lost because of his training with them. He knows a lot more about military weaponry than combat correspondents who write dispatches. But every soldier down to the cooks has to train in assault rifles! Both men deserve respect for their service.
@@Badficwriter THIS.
The only reason I have disrespect for Vance is because he attacks another serviceman's tour of duty- especially considering that other serviceman put in 20 more years than Vance did. That disrespect from Vance has earned Vance some disrespect back. Attacking a vet's service is disgusting coming from a civilian, but is entirely unacceptable from another serviceman. That is the MAGA way though- Donald "Bonespurs" Trump openly disrespects active servicemen and vets alike, and his lying and lack of respect has apparently infected Vance as well. You would have thought the military had trained him to be better.
Hahaha, are you a tool. Over TWO DECADES in the Guard, NOT Active Duty! 20 years in the Guard equal 1 year of Active Duty (one weekend a month, two weeks a year). You do the MATH!!!!
I find it rich that Vance is criticizing Walz’s service to his country, yet saying nothing about Trumps own record of service.
Tim Walz thank you for your service.
Isn’t he the guy that put tampons in boys bathrooms?
Placing tampons in the guys' restroom service? Letting hundreds of businesses destroyed by antifa service??
@@user-zk1zy1fy7o Every party has a party pooper but nobody invited you!
Thank you. Dana Bash and the rest of the CNN talking heads seem to forget that!
@@user-zk1zy1fy7o How do you figure? He left the ANG when he reached the end of his last re-enlistment contract. He would've had to re-enlist again to remain in the ANG and deploy with his unit.
Presently, Vance, as a veteran, is embracing a presidential candidate who has called military personnel “suckers” and “losers” for protecting this country from the evils of tyranny. That is shameful. I am a Coast Guard veteran. I served during the “Cold War” of the early 80’s. It is unfair to dishonorably characterize a veteran as only someone who fought in a war. It is unfair to disparage any veteran who served this country and is willing, when needed, to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect citizens from harm so they can sleep peacefully. Trump and Vance are a disgrace to the meaning of honor, valor, and duty.
Disparaging any veteran about their service is always a bad plan.
Almost always. The swift boats did work on Kerry. And trump never paid for his comments over McCain
You mean like how this coward lied about his rank and record?
@@skylarc6063 Disparaging any veteran about their service is always a bad idea.
@@skylarc6063Who Trump? What rank? Cadet BoneSpur😅
I served in the army and from my understanding, you start your retirement 2 years prior to retirement.