Honestly though. I mean they would still be able to do this considering the impact and power that they still have but this year has not been looking the best for them. We'll kinda see because maybe this is just a one-off bad year but if it becomes a pattern then there'll be problems. I mean I haven't really been keeping up with A2K like that so Idk how they're gonna do; plus they're pioneering this concept so that's another big risk in itself of whether it'll work or whether they can do it right because HYBE is doing something kinda similar.
Jype has a lot of management issues. They either overwork their groups to exhaustation (like skz right now) or put them on long breaks between comebacks during which groups lose the hype (see nmixx debut to dice to lmlt or itzy recently). They should first focus on fixing issues with their existing groups instead of announcing new groups every other month (I'm exaggerating a bit but they literally announced today they are planning to debut a vocal-focused group) They also need new people in their creative teams, because a lot of groups have redundant concepts and songs which could honestly be sung by any other kpop group. The ggs especially need a clear artistic direction to appeal more as "something different" than the rest of the industry. As a Stay I have to disagree with your opinion, I think there are a lot of really dedicated stays, especially internationally, and the main appeal of skz are their self-written and self-produced songs, which actually boost their overall longetivity. They also have a massive international appeal with their sound and if only jype promoted them better in the US I have no doubts that they could become the most successful group from JYPE in the US
First two points, I totally agree. I think they're trying so hard to almost be like a "content-farm" type of company so that they can keep up with the new society that is almost wanting more and more without actually slowing down and thinking about the quality. As for the last point, I do def think that there are stays who support Stray Kids like that and will have longevity for sure. I was just refering to the whole perception vs reality of this new era of mass streaming and buying to almost prove how great your fandom is. Like defs means it's a big fandom but not to the extent where you would equate each sale to their own person. Honestly, that's such a minor worry considering the grand scheme of things is that they're thriving but just a thought I had
villians, xdinary heroes fanbase, are very loyal. I follow a lot of fan/update accounts on twitter and they're always so nice and welcoming. xdinary heroes def needs more attention bc they're music is amazing
@@cloudchungxiao i also lurk on villain twt and i have to say that i havent seen many mydays who are also villains ?? theres such a big gap between the 2 groups in terms of genre and and the time they debuted so they will have completly different fans. but xdh themselves are huuuge mydays and are weekly guests on young k's radio so despite not there being an overlap, the two fanbases are pretty wholesome to one another (as far as i know 😭)
That's good to hear. With the lesser attention that korean bands get compared with kpop in general, overlapping can be both a good and bad thing in many ways. But glad, they're doing well for themselves and hopefully JYP don't fumble them considering Day6 seem to be slowly coming back
Ohh for sure, they got neglected after a certain point for sure. Did they end on good terms with JYP though. I know they won the IP to the name Got7, but idk if that's because they had to fight for it, whether JYP just gave it to them or whether it was kinda like a legal right/transition natural without much discussion?
I never thought that in a million years, that JYP will be doing worst in 2023 that SM and YG COMBINED (i'm not a company stan btw, it's just....so weird) I mean all of their groups are doing ok-ish but i don't know.....
SM will stay being SM. Like they might have a lot of constant drama but their talent is unmatched and so we get some good releases. YG has blackpink and then treasure kinda exists but idk if they're quite there just yet with the slight rebrand. Plus now they'll have baby monster which we'll have to see. But yea, JYP feels like they're really using the remaining clout and prestige of their name to carry themselves through 2023.
I agree, i literally dont understand how itzy dont have any personal promotions?? Honestly all memembers (and eventually the group) will benefit from it. Especially Ryujin for international fans and Yuna for domestic fans
Yea exactly. I saw this thing which could potentially explain the reasoning but that's still kinda weird. So basically from what I remember reading, SM doesn't allow for too much solo promotions and stuff because they don't want their idols to outshine and be too much bigger that they have leverage. Kinda like how Blackpink have lowkey outshined YG so much where, we don't know how their contract renewals will go. So they would rather take a slight missed opportunity in making profit by ensuring they can keep the groups as intact. So that kinda means managing the popularity of their groups so it's not too overwhelming in some sense. I think this could kinda apply to JYP considering Twice haven't really gotten much solo promotions until after contract renewals.
since scientist from twice it feels that the company forgot how to choose a good tittle track the songs are good but they are making bsides much better than the tittle tracks
With scientist, I feel like the english release of the feels kinda overshadowed that hardcore. But yea, what songs would you have wanted as title tracks?
@@cloudchungxiao for formula of love maybe espresso, icon or f.i.l.a or last waltz Then with nmixx with o.o, it was kind of good but people were not ready for that, the same with dice With itzy in sneakers I haven't listened to the besides but the song is good but not for an itzy tittle track and Cheshire is just underrated In between 1&2 they had TTT, it is good but it was very underrated in its time, but I would have liked basics to be the tittle track or at least an MV and then with ready to be we had the same with scientist, the besides are much better, I would have liked got the thrills or wallflower for the tittle track
Icon was real good ngl. Idk how good it would have done domestically though but yea, I see what you mean. For Nmixx, people could get behind O.O as well but I think dice was still a little confusing but some people started to get it a bit better. I mean I know I really liked dice almost immediately compared to O.O For Between 1&2, didn't listen to any of the b-sides but talk that talk was pretty strong. I mean this was one of the first eras that made me recognise Jeongyeon too. Then for Ready to be, didn't really like moonlight sunrise as much but set me free was pretty strong for me too.
The only group thats keeping jyp slightly above water is skz and maybe twice (imo) But nmixx had very good momnetum with dice and they should have kept it . Nmixx as a group suit more mature concepts. Itzy is currently not keeping up with the current 4th gen competition
I feel like Skz, twice and Itzy are helping JYP out still but with twice and itzy, it's not as noticeable because of the competition in the industry. Nmixx does kinda suit a bit more mature concepts for sure. Im not sure where this falls on the spectrum but something like dice or love me like this.
If you look at the stock price it's quite the opposite, over the last year it's doubled. And abt half (52%) of the albums sold for jype in 2023 is from Stray Kids. HALF.
Ohh for sure, Stray Kids have been popping off to be one of the main faces of JYP. Stock prices are so volatile so don't really look at that but I know what you mean. Like if we're being real, they'll always do better than a good 70-80% of kpop companies just because of their legacies. For me, it was looking at comparatively to themselves and the impact that is felt which is subjective depending of the variables that you look at and the weightings you may place on them.
For JYP, they are so focused on being "different" with the GG that they lost the plot. Twice going to "more mature" wasnt a huge hit but could have been amazing, instead JYPE back peddled and confused those listening. For Itzy, they started with a strong sound, but then Sneakers and it almost regressed them from Girl/teen crush to cutsie color pop that is styled well. Nmixx too shows how JYPE just cant stick to a vibe. I do prefer their newer songs, and if they would have done O.O w/o the switch and that dark vibe could have been something. I like JYPE as my first kpop group to stan was Wonder Girls, but some of what thwy are doing seems silly. Side note: got the JYP and Monster headphones, now that is something great I wish he would push more😅
Hahaha, we have the opposite preferences for twice and Nmixx's direction. But yea, I'm confused about Itzy's direction in that it does feel like their old stuff-ish but not completely so I thought Sneakers would kinda bring them back.
The thing is with JYP's ggs is that they're all just responses to other popular groups. Twice was obviously inspired by SNSD especially during their early days, ITZY was basically the teen-crush version of Blackpink, and everyone obviously knew that JYP made Nmxix because of Next Level's success.
For StrayKids I think it’s just that some fans are a little to toxic, and some can be cringe which makes the fandom look so bad but in reality I think they are nice, although I have been for fan for only 1 year I have already seen enough to know how some stays are, but I don’t think stays are the only problem because their are some antis that make some stays angry and they just pop off at them and they make stays look bad, I’m not saying that stays aren’t the only ones that get aimed at because I have also seen some stays be antis which I don’t think nobody should be antis, like it’s okay if you don’t really like their music but if your just gonna say “I’m an anti Dni” I don’t thinks that’s okay just don’t say it publicly or else obv ppl will attack you. (Sorry for my spelling mistakes!!)
Ohh I know what you mean. I mean this same mentality applies to all groups tbh. But yea, I've been seeing a lot more people's reasoning to drop groups be due to the fandom which is wild.
in terms of stray kids, as a stay, I would say there is a lot of hardcore stays but as of recently they've become really toxic, think of bts army in like 2020-2021 when they were attacking every group for no reason. so honestly, I think the toxic stays are more so the reason why people would potentially stray away from the group if anything
@@haewonizedit’s only questionable bc you don’t like it tho.. i get it ppl can be annoying but this is an example of when defending ur favs would be okay ie you saying the songs are questionable it’s a semi negative opinion so yea stays are gonna say something just like any other fandom. tbh it’s kinda a trend to hate stays too, especially using the same insult from when they first debuted (noise music) even tho theyve expanded their music to other genres. It’s a double edged sword
@@haewonized like I said, it’s a double edged sword and tbh ur not helping ur case at all especially bc you went out of ur way to call skz music questionable unprovoked for one, and two what do you think Nmixx is? Their genre of music is a sub culture of noise music
Please do a year on update cause Nmixx Dash was gold, Twice: I got you solidifies there chill direction, Itzy doubled down promos and the tour is going great😌
Ohhh might consider it. Yea, dash did pretty well. Not too sure about the general reception so might have to look mroe into it. Always loved the new direction but not sure how the GPs though about it. Then for Itzy, I really like their new era and also was fortunate enough to be able to go to their concert too.
i would love a update on this topic with the more recent success of all of these groups! Especially with the growth of Dash and one spark and whole, born to be era I feel like things are slowly picking up, and I would love to hear your perspective about it
JYP don't care about quality or longevity. They're debuting group like very month and see what works. They don't have a plan for them whatsoever. They're wasting these young people's time, give them hope and throw them away.😅
Kinda almost banking on the branding of JYP. There has been a gradual decline of the impact of JYP though. Like other companies are creating the new gen leaders.
@@cloudchungxiao True. People still excited about JYP groups because of the brand name. When a JYP group debut, people assume it would be a guarantee success. Group will get a lot of attention when they debut under JYP and interact with other JYP idols. And JYP himself is a celebrity who is good at creating buzz. I feel bad for those trainees who joined the company imaging JYP is a great company that will support their dream. While small companies struggle to promote their idols and have hard time finding young talents. A lot of small company idols are "rejects" from big companies.
Yea, I mean a lot of idols post-being in a big company tend to go to a smaller company so can defs see what you mean. There is no perfect or best company and it's all about choosing the lesser of two evils in their eyes.
More than the songs, jyp's problem is the promotions and the "push" it gives to them, For example we see new jeans with a lot of streams on Spotify but most of it is thanks to the big playlists on Spotify, we see gidle and aespa with a lot of views on UA-cam but it is thanks to ads, The 4th gen is the least "organic" generation when it comes to success, that's why we see groups selling millions but not being able to fill theaters-arenas
What doesn't help is the fact that the examples you've given + JYP's group are all relatively big/big-ish company privilege and so it's almost expected for them to kinda get the attention they get with the extra added push. But yea, mass-streaming and views and all that kinda wild
8:30 i mean even at their debut they still got hate for their songs like people called dalla dalla noise music, icy was called a kidz bop song, and wannabe was received well but then people started saying the self love concept was getting repetitive. Overall i think itzy is doing fine though and their recent comeback, despite missing lia, was received better than than cake and their last few comebacks and it seems like the hate train is dying down. One thing that i definitely wish jyp did more though was market the members individually ig they’re worried about having another suzy and miss a situation
I feel like each member is pretty distinct already but more individual marketing could be such a great way to diversify the interest but also retain the interest of Itzy. As for the reception of their intial songs; I feel like they were all received pretty decently. Proabbly just focusing on the outlier receptions
you didn't mention woojin from stray kids the same issue making him go on hiatus then Makin a statement saying he's leaving the group for personal reasons same with jinni from nmixx and that jay from day6
I think the woojin situation did have its impact within its moment but I think it's more of a distant memory that has not lingered in impact towards how stray kids or stays act. Obviously, there are those fews who do the most by stalking woojins every move but I feel like it's gotten to a point where I don't really automatically associate the two
Jyp just needs new ideas, new minds. They should learn tor stick to one thing and learn how to alter it CORRECTLY so that it becomes timeless. They shouldn't follow trends because they are supposed to be the trendsetters. For twice idk what they really did but now their hype is not as big as it used to be. But yiu would say they are an old group. Then What about ITZY, the excuse of old group doesn't apply but here we are. Thee hype is terrible and the interest is dead. The excuse of "old" group completely doesn't apply cuz nmixx is just 1 year old. But here again we are. The interest, the hype, the momentum is low. Plus the songs they're giving to the public is not good. The groups are lucky to have good enough fanbases. Because their general public is not trusting the company anymore.
Okay, for Nmixx, I could see them trying to follow trends. Like the whole mix pop thing was a vibe and I was pretty on board with it. But then they continue to switch it up and I'm just like meh about their recent release. I think Twice has kinda done what they can with Korea. Plus during their time in the spotlight, the whole system and hierarchy felt pretty rigid to the point where it was hard not to see and vibe with them. Now it's like way too many groups that you're almost allowed to not like music and you don't have to necessarily force yourself to like certain music because there's a bit more variety.
It makes sense why Got7 left. If they had stayed it would be all those groups plus them and would have probably lead to them being in a basement as JYP stopped promoting them after lullaby era.
Yea, idk what would have happened to Got7. Like they were still pretty much doing decent but Idk if JYP would have utilised them because lowkey his girl groups were the only thing thriving around that time.
Music is preference based, so it's good to have a variety. If the Company can support all the groups that's even better. Watching all the competitions, I think it really helps establish fans already for the upcoming groups, NiziU, Vcha, NEXZ... I think JYP will do fine... I mean controversy helps, I mean look at YG's Babymonster's debut, despite all the negativity their song blew up.
I think the issue is direction in which they're all doing decent compared to all kpop groups. But compared to themselves, there are noticeable decreases. The upcoming groups are all overseas groups so that should kinda be alg because I'm sure they wont have to much korean promotions unless they're trying to do both. As for baby monster, Idk if it's that great. Like they were gonna get attention because og YG, Blackpink and viewers of their youtube series, but i haven't seen much actual interest in instant stanning because of their music.
*Warning long rent ahead read by own accord* Personally I think JYPE as a company still does pretty well.Sure,They slowly getting outdone by others but as long as they have groups with solid fan bases (like Stray Kids and Twice) they're probably fine.Hybe is the only company that really understands the market anyway.YG is in a shit situation for years but somehow that still works for them and Sm is Sm.I think my main problem with Jype is that the people behind the groups don't really understand THEIR groups,they're stuck in the past,don't understand current trends and lack musical direction for them.If anything I think Jype is the most advantageous company to be in,everyting considered.Both Twice and Stray kids do very well for themselves.Stray Kids know what their doing with their music and i'm not going to put that achievement on the company .But for example,As much as people like to downgrade Twice popularity,not everything is defined by mainstream success,they have one of the most loyal fan bases in kpop that could carry them throughout anything.A lot of newer groups popularity fades faster than me chancing my underwear,Twice is here to stay.Also their new more mature concept works for them,sure they can do better but overall is good.Nmixx is only growing in popularity now and I think they can have an amazing career in front of them if their continue in this direction.Xdinary Heroes has a small and loyal fan base (I'm the number 1 villain) and they fond their niche market.Also they have an amazing team behind the group that truly understand what to do with them.About 2PM is more hard to say,but I think is more about them being concentrated outside of music.They're and old group for gods sake look a little at a SM.A lot of their older groups are "active" just on paper. My only real concert with the jype groups are Day6 and Itzy who are definitely in the worst position right now.Day6 are more in an undefined hiatus so who knows what going to happened after the dischargement of Younk K.But Itzy is just straight up only going worse and worse.I don't think they have bad music (sneakers is horrible tho) but they clearly lack direction.They had a lot of potential at some point but the way they promoted them was not it.Let's say that even just the order of the music they released was other,that would've helped tremendously.Also I think people just hate their more 'quirky' concepts,maybe try to do either something more mature or girl crush.That could actually save them lol.Overall,i don't really care and I definitely wasted my time Bye.
Hahaha that last sentence though. But yea, I see what you mean. I wanna say throw Nmixx into how you explained Itzy and then Itzy's like slight above Nmixx but still pretty much there and I kinda am on the same board with the groups. I feel like Cake did pretty decently but nothing that has put Itzy name back on the map of like top groups. Plus with the amount of competition that was around when they first debuted to now, it's clear that is another factor thats kidna weighing them down into not looking as imapctful. Kind like how Kep1er and Nmixx is actually doing relatively decent but when you list top 4th gen girl groups, they probably won't be one of the first five you name just because there is so many other grousp that have just hit you in the face with more impact in their music.
Mixxpop is my favorite genre and it’s the only bit of artist identity nmixx had, so they should keep it. Dice was a hit and they should keep on doing mixxpop like that, they should definitely keep a darker concept, the cute concept in their recent single was a terrible choice for nmixx.
Agree kind of, I like the cutesy music but I think they shouldn’t do it as title tracks. maybe a b-side every once in a while or just have it on the album bc dice was really good and tank grew on me
Yesss, I got Dice on first listen so they started to do Mix pop well. It's such a shame they left that because literally same though; Nmixx's identity was Mix pop and so what they've done all feels-ish relatively generic. Do you think this was always JYP's plan? You think they adjusted because of the reception to Mix pop? or even because of Jinni's departure, they had to switch things up?
@@cloudchungxiao I think it wasn’t their plan to abandon mixxpop, I think they did it to give their company a more diverse and experimental image, but they won’t achieve it if they won’t really do it.
Ohh right, experiment with difference music genre besides just mixpop? I guess that could be it because there two eras in 2023 are pretty different. Even there pre-release was different too. But yea, if they do that, might be a bit harder for them to garner a solid fanbase because it really will have to rely on their personality since their track records of discography hasn't looked the best so far.
Yea, I could see that. They just seem like the type who tries to deviate a little but it just doesn't work well. Plus idk if they've introduced anything new to the industry.
Nmixx O.O were 2 goods songs pieced together and thats what ruined it. Im glad they quit that genre as i dont feel like the general population wants to listen to 2 songs in 1. I hate what JYP has done to Itzy. They came out with such a unique concept when every other GG was in high heels and skirts and then they gave them songs like Sneakers/Cake when they suit songs like Kill Shot better. Just my thoughts.
Ohh idk if you recently saw but they have a new version to O.O. If you've heard it, thoughts? As for Itzy, idk how people feel about them tbh. Like a lot of people talk about how they peaked during their rookie days and those are more bright high teen concepts type of songs. Mafia in the morning kinda was the first issue and then cheshire doesn't get acknowledged as much. I feel like Kill shot falls into that realm but a bit more mature as oppose to mafia which is more girl crush. But yea, I see what you mean. I do wonder what direction they are wanting to go though.
Hummmm. I really can't disagree with anything here and even I and a friend of mine said the same things basically about Itzy, skz and Twice. I also wonder if JYP really thought nmixx debut through or he was just riding on the next level train which is a huge mistake in my opinion. That song is successful because of Aespa and not because of the genre of music. I forgot about the Loud Group 😮
What's crazy is that the time for Itzy to debut after Twice is relatively similar to when Nmixx debuted after Itzy. Like a one-ish year difference but Nmixx lowkey still relatively rushed. But yea, I lowkey would have gotten the whole mix pop thing with Nmixx just because there name has mix in it so I think maybe that's kinda how it connects. So like they were gonna ride the trains of Mix pop and be a pioneer but nope.
@@cloudchungxiao Nmixx felt like JYP were coping without understanding the assignment so they failed to own it. But personally I think they could have made it their own sound with time. Moving away from it just made people question their decisions even more.
I can only really speak about Nmixx and Itzy because that’s who I listen to the most in JYP. People keep on saying things like Itzy fell off or other things but people were complaining about their music before sneakers. Sneakers didn’t break Itzy’s career people were already not liking their musical direction. People kept on confusing JYP about what they wanted from Itzy and I know it’s his company but he wants to keep his fans happy but I also feel as though that from what I’ve heard about Twice and their mature sound, I feel like Itzy is starting to head into that direction (IN MY PERSONAL OPINION!!) Now in terms of Nmixx, I feel as though JYP didn’t give the concept as much time. He saw that people weren’t feeling the concept even though Dice was a hit and a bop. It’s not that I don’t like their new songs or sound but it doesn’t go towards their original concept. I prefer their mix pop sound. Plus idk if anyone has noticed but have y’all peeped that Itzy and Stray Kids new songs have mix pop? I ended up hearing S-class and their is mix pop and even Cake there’s a mix pop element. I wonder if their doing that with their other groups to see how people will receive it so maybe Nmixx can go back to that sound, that’s just my thoughts though.
@@danaestradford9083 the last era I filly paid attention to skz was back door. I don't listen to them like that so I couldn't say about the mix pop but now that you mention is about Cake I can see it. And your right. People started complaining before sneakers dropped. After Wannabe and especially Not Shy people were loud and then Mafia dropped and people acted like it was the worst cb when it was one of their best for me in terms of tt and bsides. I casually listen to Nmixx too and Dice was a bop for real but the shift after didn't draw me in at all. O.O and Tank may have been a bit harsh for me to listen to but they were sertainly different and had people talking and that's the point. I though JYP had harnassesd both the negatives and positives with Dice but they clearly didn't.
Yea, NMixx not committing to the mix pop was kinda like a discreet way for JYP Ent to almost admit they fumbled their debut title track. It almost even gives justification for listeners to not like the sound because even JYP had to switch them up. But yea, I did hear the mix pop in Cake and did a side eye. Like it was the works of BEP, but also JYP approved this and was okay even though they led Nmixx away from it? Not sure about that. But yea, Itzy really are doing well for themselves but it's just noticable that there is more competition now that they're not just completely dominating now.
Yea for sure, I do wonder how long those fans would have wanted them to continue the cutest concept or would it have been a slow transition. For me, I never really got into their cutesy music much but I do know of it's impact that it had.
Not sure how to gage that. Not sure how much staff usually is looking after one group but yea, there is something lowkey off with the management of Itzy.
Let be honest twice and skz are still very popular these days idk very much about day6/2pm/xdinary heroes but as much as i know xdinary heroes is kinda doing good,itzy are doing worst these days but their Japanese comeback is so good and let's wait for their next korean comeback and for nmixx i liked their music tbh idk why people don't like it like they did pretty well in their lastest comebacks they're a million seller and their mv got over 50m views just in 1 week vcha is also doing well for a good that haven't debut yet their pre debut mv got 13m and all their songs got over 1m in spotify and they trend #1 in billboard so yeah imo i think their groups are doing well
Twice, Skz, Itzy yep agree with what you said in terms of their success at this point in time. For Nmixx though, did you vibe with the latest comeback because yea tbh, it wasn't my vibe. Then for Vcha, didn't even realise those were pre-debut singles. Literally thought that was their debut and then they disappeared.
Aren't most 2PM members not even in jyp anymore..? I'm definitely not sure tho. Also I think 2pm has such a fan base in Korea and they're definitely not nugu/unsuccessful. They're just not that popular internationally I guess
Most of 2PM are with JYP still. Including Jay Park, the third member out of seven recently left in 2022. But yea, they definitely up their for groups in JYP thriving in 2023 on an overall overview
For PK you could talk about how their company is pushing so hard on Survival shows in hopes of one or more members getting that pop off, even thought they are talented and could do amazing internationally like Dreamcatcher, but instead of comeback they are to busy on survival things😅
survivals is a good method, it locks in core fans and following. You can only grow the fan base from there. Also it humanizes JYP, a lot of people portray him as a slave master, but what people don't realize is, he does let the groups determine the work they choose. JYP also is trying to hit niche groups, which is smart.
Hahaha yea, JYP Ent's attempt in the chinese industry. It's their C-pop boy group. What's crazy is the fact that they debuted around 10-13 in 2017ish and have been on a hiatus-ish since 2021
Underrated fact:- 1. Twice has been releasing no-skip album which are mostly song of the year material(let it be group,solo or unit) 2. Nmixx has released best mini album with song of the year(lmlt) and another best single album. 3. Stray kids has released best title ever( s-class). Still they flopped. I really thought that twice and nmixx will achieve a successful feat this year.
Wym straykids flopped baby they got so many fans with five star and they still proving why they 4 gen leaders breaking records after records many of their big mv have over 100 million views and five star was the fastest and they are self made that ain’t got no song writers and they didn’t have their own rooms til stays complained to jyp over and over again NOBODY IN THEIR LANE they in their own and that’s that
@@aymeryiacarey6821 didn't know it. I heard some ppl saying it that they couldn't get s-class. Whereas this is my most favorite song of This year( swerving i'm speeding on serpent road, luxurious like i'm an s-class, best of the best on first class,i'm up above the world, so high i'll be there shinin day nd night they wonder how my spotlight is so bright) with the best rap too. They also had bops like item, topline that's why i started following them. But i didn't know thst they had this much achieved with this most sold album of all time. Would you mind saying something abt the billboard winner legendary female group of this year TWICE?
@@rafialam6577 I don’t really know much about twice yet but I started to get into other groups because of straykids but I do know that twice was and still is one of jyp best selling groups along wit them I would say to much because I have to get my facts straight first that is always important but if you look up kpop twice is always one of the first few you see so that should say something in itself right
@@aymeryiacarey6821 yes! Twice holds the nation girl group title with 11 million plus album sold till this date. They are the only female kpop group to achieve this feat. They have also numerous win on korean shows along with billboard charting too. It is all because they still put all their hard work, sincerity in what they are doing. That actually proves to be right because with all the rumours and scandals they had till today,they are still strong, active and sincere as a female group. I just hope for the best for them as they deserve much more because of their activities as kpop artists. They really hold nation girl group and billboard winning artist title for a reason. Massive respect to them.❤️
@@rafialam6577 yes I do to even though I don’t them stan them I can still see the impact they have in kpop jyp would be in the building or place he is without them I give the girls they’re credits because they deserve it and much more for all the bullshit they went through and still go through and thats for all kpop groups their industry is so different from US and anybody can see that and I respect all of them for giving it all they got just because they wanna do something in this world that they love and a lot of them do it for the fans
NMIXX is genuinely such wasted potential. The company found some of the best vocalists in the Korean idol industry, and then wasted their talents on shitty songs and every 24/7, NMIXX constantly changes concepts and sounds. Maybe Lily should’ve went to YG instead💀
YG? But then wouldn't she lowkey be in the dungeon hahaha. But yea, it feels like wasted potential considering how strong the talent is within that group. Makes me more curious on what Jini's new solo career will look like and whether she could potentially pop off
I wouldn't say they're completely fading. In comparison to the whole kpop competition, they're actually doing pretty alright. Might just not have that much recognition or notability in comparison to their peak but still nothing to be scared for them about.
I feel like jyp shouldn't debut new groups but rather focus on fixing their current ones
Honestly though. I mean they would still be able to do this considering the impact and power that they still have but this year has not been looking the best for them. We'll kinda see because maybe this is just a one-off bad year but if it becomes a pattern then there'll be problems. I mean I haven't really been keeping up with A2K like that so Idk how they're gonna do; plus they're pioneering this concept so that's another big risk in itself of whether it'll work or whether they can do it right because HYBE is doing something kinda similar.
Too bad they have now debuted a 12 year old
@@ONLY1JAYJAY Kaylee is 14 now
@@tzuxluvq Still not great..
@@RasendoriXProduction Why don't we get the same energy directed to babymonster ? Cause chiquita is the same age as Kaylee...
Jype has a lot of management issues. They either overwork their groups to exhaustation (like skz right now) or put them on long breaks between comebacks during which groups lose the hype (see nmixx debut to dice to lmlt or itzy recently). They should first focus on fixing issues with their existing groups instead of announcing new groups every other month (I'm exaggerating a bit but they literally announced today they are planning to debut a vocal-focused group)
They also need new people in their creative teams, because a lot of groups have redundant concepts and songs which could honestly be sung by any other kpop group. The ggs especially need a clear artistic direction to appeal more as "something different" than the rest of the industry.
As a Stay I have to disagree with your opinion, I think there are a lot of really dedicated stays, especially internationally, and the main appeal of skz are their self-written and self-produced songs, which actually boost their overall longetivity. They also have a massive international appeal with their sound and if only jype promoted them better in the US I have no doubts that they could become the most successful group from JYPE in the US
First two points, I totally agree. I think they're trying so hard to almost be like a "content-farm" type of company so that they can keep up with the new society that is almost wanting more and more without actually slowing down and thinking about the quality.
As for the last point, I do def think that there are stays who support Stray Kids like that and will have longevity for sure. I was just refering to the whole perception vs reality of this new era of mass streaming and buying to almost prove how great your fandom is. Like defs means it's a big fandom but not to the extent where you would equate each sale to their own person. Honestly, that's such a minor worry considering the grand scheme of things is that they're thriving but just a thought I had
villians, xdinary heroes fanbase, are very loyal. I follow a lot of fan/update accounts on twitter and they're always so nice and welcoming. xdinary heroes def needs more attention bc they're music is amazing
Ohh dope, would you say theirs much of an overlap with Day6's fanbase?
@@cloudchungxiao i also lurk on villain twt and i have to say that i havent seen many mydays who are also villains ?? theres such a big gap between the 2 groups in terms of genre and and the time they debuted so they will have completly different fans. but xdh themselves are huuuge mydays and are weekly guests on young k's radio so despite not there being an overlap, the two fanbases are pretty wholesome to one another (as far as i know 😭)
That's good to hear. With the lesser attention that korean bands get compared with kpop in general, overlapping can be both a good and bad thing in many ways. But glad, they're doing well for themselves and hopefully JYP don't fumble them considering Day6 seem to be slowly coming back
I'm so glad got7 has got out of jyp entertainment
Ohh for sure, they got neglected after a certain point for sure. Did they end on good terms with JYP though. I know they won the IP to the name Got7, but idk if that's because they had to fight for it, whether JYP just gave it to them or whether it was kinda like a legal right/transition natural without much discussion?
I never thought that in a million years, that JYP will be doing worst in 2023 that SM and YG COMBINED (i'm not a company stan btw, it's just....so weird) I mean all of their groups are doing ok-ish but i don't know.....
SM will stay being SM. Like they might have a lot of constant drama but their talent is unmatched and so we get some good releases. YG has blackpink and then treasure kinda exists but idk if they're quite there just yet with the slight rebrand. Plus now they'll have baby monster which we'll have to see. But yea, JYP feels like they're really using the remaining clout and prestige of their name to carry themselves through 2023.
I agree, i literally dont understand how itzy dont have any personal promotions?? Honestly all memembers (and eventually the group) will benefit from it. Especially Ryujin for international fans and Yuna for domestic fans
Yea exactly. I saw this thing which could potentially explain the reasoning but that's still kinda weird. So basically from what I remember reading, SM doesn't allow for too much solo promotions and stuff because they don't want their idols to outshine and be too much bigger that they have leverage. Kinda like how Blackpink have lowkey outshined YG so much where, we don't know how their contract renewals will go. So they would rather take a slight missed opportunity in making profit by ensuring they can keep the groups as intact. So that kinda means managing the popularity of their groups so it's not too overwhelming in some sense. I think this could kinda apply to JYP considering Twice haven't really gotten much solo promotions until after contract renewals.
since scientist from twice it feels that the company forgot how to choose a good tittle track
the songs are good but they are making bsides much better than the tittle tracks
With scientist, I feel like the english release of the feels kinda overshadowed that hardcore. But yea, what songs would you have wanted as title tracks?
@@cloudchungxiao for formula of love maybe espresso, icon or f.i.l.a or last waltz
Then with nmixx with o.o, it was kind of good but people were not ready for that, the same with dice
With itzy in sneakers I haven't listened to the besides but the song is good but not for an itzy tittle track and Cheshire is just underrated
In between 1&2 they had TTT, it is good but it was very underrated in its time, but I would have liked basics to be the tittle track or at least an MV
and then with ready to be we had the same with scientist, the besides are much better, I would have liked got the thrills or wallflower for the tittle track
Icon was real good ngl. Idk how good it would have done domestically though but yea, I see what you mean.
For Nmixx, people could get behind O.O as well but I think dice was still a little confusing but some people started to get it a bit better. I mean I know I really liked dice almost immediately compared to O.O
For Between 1&2, didn't listen to any of the b-sides but talk that talk was pretty strong. I mean this was one of the first eras that made me recognise Jeongyeon too.
Then for Ready to be, didn't really like moonlight sunrise as much but set me free was pretty strong for me too.
The only group thats keeping jyp slightly above water is skz and maybe twice (imo)
But nmixx had very good momnetum with dice and they should have kept it . Nmixx as a group suit more mature concepts.
Itzy is currently not keeping up with the current 4th gen competition
I feel like Skz, twice and Itzy are helping JYP out still but with twice and itzy, it's not as noticeable because of the competition in the industry. Nmixx does kinda suit a bit more mature concepts for sure. Im not sure where this falls on the spectrum but something like dice or love me like this.
If you look at the stock price it's quite the opposite, over the last year it's doubled. And abt half (52%) of the albums sold for jype in 2023 is from Stray Kids. HALF.
Ohh for sure, Stray Kids have been popping off to be one of the main faces of JYP. Stock prices are so volatile so don't really look at that but I know what you mean. Like if we're being real, they'll always do better than a good 70-80% of kpop companies just because of their legacies. For me, it was looking at comparatively to themselves and the impact that is felt which is subjective depending of the variables that you look at and the weightings you may place on them.
For JYP, they are so focused on being "different" with the GG that they lost the plot. Twice going to "more mature" wasnt a huge hit but could have been amazing, instead JYPE back peddled and confused those listening.
For Itzy, they started with a strong sound, but then Sneakers and it almost regressed them from Girl/teen crush to cutsie color pop that is styled well.
Nmixx too shows how JYPE just cant stick to a vibe. I do prefer their newer songs, and if they would have done O.O w/o the switch and that dark vibe could have been something.
I like JYPE as my first kpop group to stan was Wonder Girls, but some of what thwy are doing seems silly.
Side note: got the JYP and Monster headphones, now that is something great I wish he would push more😅
Hahaha, we have the opposite preferences for twice and Nmixx's direction. But yea, I'm confused about Itzy's direction in that it does feel like their old stuff-ish but not completely so I thought Sneakers would kinda bring them back.
The thing is with JYP's ggs is that they're all just responses to other popular groups. Twice was obviously inspired by SNSD especially during their early days, ITZY was basically the teen-crush version of Blackpink, and everyone obviously knew that JYP made Nmxix because of Next Level's success.
For StrayKids I think it’s just that some fans are a little to toxic, and some can be cringe which makes the fandom look so bad but in reality I think they are nice, although I have been for fan for only 1 year I have already seen enough to know how some stays are, but I don’t think stays are the only problem because their are some antis that make some stays angry and they just pop off at them and they make stays look bad, I’m not saying that stays aren’t the only ones that get aimed at because I have also seen some stays be antis which I don’t think nobody should be antis, like it’s okay if you don’t really like their music but if your just gonna say “I’m an anti Dni” I don’t thinks that’s okay just don’t say it publicly or else obv ppl will attack you. (Sorry for my spelling mistakes!!)
Ohh I know what you mean. I mean this same mentality applies to all groups tbh. But yea, I've been seeing a lot more people's reasoning to drop groups be due to the fandom which is wild.
in terms of stray kids, as a stay, I would say there is a lot of hardcore stays but as of recently they've become really toxic, think of bts army in like 2020-2021 when they were attacking every group for no reason. so honestly, I think the toxic stays are more so the reason why people would potentially stray away from the group if anything
being a stay on stan twt is like being an unwanted pest, they’re so annoying and constantly defend the QUESTIONABLE songs they make
@@haewonizedit’s only questionable bc you don’t like it tho.. i get it ppl can be annoying but this is an example of when defending ur favs would be okay ie you saying the songs are questionable it’s a semi negative opinion so yea stays are gonna say something just like any other fandom. tbh it’s kinda a trend to hate stays too, especially using the same insult from when they first debuted (noise music) even tho theyve expanded their music to other genres. It’s a double edged sword
@@kenyz.hiireath stays attack fandoms unprovoked
also basically all of their music still is under the noise music category it’s not like it can’t be a different genre AND noise music at the same time
@@haewonized like I said, it’s a double edged sword and tbh ur not helping ur case at all especially bc you went out of ur way to call skz music questionable unprovoked for one, and two what do you think Nmixx is? Their genre of music is a sub culture of noise music
Please do a year on update cause Nmixx Dash was gold, Twice: I got you solidifies there chill direction, Itzy doubled down promos and the tour is going great😌
And one spark is a grower✨
Ohhh might consider it. Yea, dash did pretty well. Not too sure about the general reception so might have to look mroe into it. Always loved the new direction but not sure how the GPs though about it. Then for Itzy, I really like their new era and also was fortunate enough to be able to go to their concert too.
i would love a update on this topic with the more recent success of all of these groups! Especially with the growth of Dash and one spark and whole, born to be era I feel like things are slowly picking up, and I would love to hear your perspective about it
JYP don't care about quality or longevity. They're debuting group like very month and see what works. They don't have a plan for them whatsoever. They're wasting these young people's time, give them hope and throw them away.😅
Kinda almost banking on the branding of JYP. There has been a gradual decline of the impact of JYP though. Like other companies are creating the new gen leaders.
@@cloudchungxiao True. People still excited about JYP groups because of the brand name. When a JYP group debut, people assume it would be a guarantee success. Group will get a lot of attention when they debut under JYP and interact with other JYP idols. And JYP himself is a celebrity who is good at creating buzz. I feel bad for those trainees who joined the company imaging JYP is a great company that will support their dream. While small companies struggle to promote their idols and have hard time finding young talents. A lot of small company idols are "rejects" from big companies.
Yea, I mean a lot of idols post-being in a big company tend to go to a smaller company so can defs see what you mean. There is no perfect or best company and it's all about choosing the lesser of two evils in their eyes.
More than the songs, jyp's problem is the promotions and the "push" it gives to them, For example we see new jeans with a lot of streams on Spotify but most of it is thanks to the big playlists on Spotify, we see gidle and aespa with a lot of views on UA-cam but it is thanks to ads, The 4th gen is the least "organic" generation when it comes to success, that's why we see groups selling millions but not being able to fill theaters-arenas
What doesn't help is the fact that the examples you've given + JYP's group are all relatively big/big-ish company privilege and so it's almost expected for them to kinda get the attention they get with the extra added push. But yea, mass-streaming and views and all that kinda wild
8:30 i mean even at their debut they still got hate for their songs like people called dalla dalla noise music, icy was called a kidz bop song, and wannabe was received well but then people started saying the self love concept was getting repetitive. Overall i think itzy is doing fine though and their recent comeback, despite missing lia, was received better than than cake and their last few comebacks and it seems like the hate train is dying down. One thing that i definitely wish jyp did more though was market the members individually ig they’re worried about having another suzy and miss a situation
I feel like each member is pretty distinct already but more individual marketing could be such a great way to diversify the interest but also retain the interest of Itzy. As for the reception of their intial songs; I feel like they were all received pretty decently. Proabbly just focusing on the outlier receptions
you didn't mention woojin from stray kids the same issue making him go on hiatus then Makin a statement saying he's leaving the group for personal reasons same with jinni from nmixx and that jay from day6
I think the woojin situation did have its impact within its moment but I think it's more of a distant memory that has not lingered in impact towards how stray kids or stays act. Obviously, there are those fews who do the most by stalking woojins every move but I feel like it's gotten to a point where I don't really automatically associate the two
Jyp just needs new ideas, new minds. They should learn tor stick to one thing and learn how to alter it CORRECTLY so that it becomes timeless. They shouldn't follow trends because they are supposed to be the trendsetters.
For twice idk what they really did but now their hype is not as big as it used to be. But yiu would say they are an old group.
Then What about ITZY, the excuse of old group doesn't apply but here we are. Thee hype is terrible and the interest is dead.
The excuse of "old" group completely doesn't apply cuz nmixx is just 1 year old. But here again we are. The interest, the hype, the momentum is low.
Plus the songs they're giving to the public is not good.
The groups are lucky to have good enough fanbases.
Because their general public is not trusting the company anymore.
Okay, for Nmixx, I could see them trying to follow trends. Like the whole mix pop thing was a vibe and I was pretty on board with it. But then they continue to switch it up and I'm just like meh about their recent release.
I think Twice has kinda done what they can with Korea. Plus during their time in the spotlight, the whole system and hierarchy felt pretty rigid to the point where it was hard not to see and vibe with them. Now it's like way too many groups that you're almost allowed to not like music and you don't have to necessarily force yourself to like certain music because there's a bit more variety.
It makes sense why Got7 left. If they had stayed it would be all those groups plus them and would have probably lead to them being in a basement as JYP stopped promoting them after lullaby era.
Yea, idk what would have happened to Got7. Like they were still pretty much doing decent but Idk if JYP would have utilised them because lowkey his girl groups were the only thing thriving around that time.
Music is preference based, so it's good to have a variety. If the Company can support all the groups that's even better. Watching all the competitions, I think it really helps establish fans already for the upcoming groups, NiziU, Vcha, NEXZ... I think JYP will do fine... I mean controversy helps, I mean look at YG's Babymonster's debut, despite all the negativity their song blew up.
I think the issue is direction in which they're all doing decent compared to all kpop groups. But compared to themselves, there are noticeable decreases. The upcoming groups are all overseas groups so that should kinda be alg because I'm sure they wont have to much korean promotions unless they're trying to do both. As for baby monster, Idk if it's that great. Like they were gonna get attention because og YG, Blackpink and viewers of their youtube series, but i haven't seen much actual interest in instant stanning because of their music.
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Personally I think JYPE as a company still does pretty well.Sure,They slowly getting outdone by others but as long as they have groups with solid fan bases (like Stray Kids and Twice) they're probably fine.Hybe is the only company that really understands the market anyway.YG is in a shit situation for years but somehow that still works for them and Sm is Sm.I think my main problem with Jype is that the people behind the groups don't really understand THEIR groups,they're stuck in the past,don't understand current trends and lack musical direction for them.If anything I think Jype is the most advantageous company to be in,everyting considered.Both Twice and Stray kids do very well for themselves.Stray Kids know what their doing with their music and i'm not going to put that achievement on the company .But for example,As much as people like to downgrade Twice popularity,not everything is defined by mainstream success,they have one of the most loyal fan bases in kpop that could carry them throughout
anything.A lot of newer groups popularity fades faster than me chancing my underwear,Twice is here to stay.Also their new more mature concept works for them,sure they can do better but overall is good.Nmixx is only growing in popularity now and I think they can have an amazing career in front of them if their continue in this direction.Xdinary Heroes has a small and loyal fan base (I'm the number 1 villain) and they fond their niche market.Also they have an amazing team behind the group that truly understand what to do with them.About 2PM is more hard to say,but I think is more about them being concentrated outside of music.They're and old group for gods sake look a little at a SM.A lot of their older groups are "active" just on paper. My only real concert with the jype groups are Day6 and Itzy who are definitely in the worst position right now.Day6 are more in an undefined hiatus so who knows what going to happened after the dischargement of Younk K.But Itzy is just straight up only going worse and worse.I don't think they have bad music (sneakers is horrible tho) but they clearly lack direction.They had a lot of potential at some point but the way they promoted them was not it.Let's say that even just the order of the music they released was other,that would've helped tremendously.Also I think people just hate their more 'quirky' concepts,maybe try to do either something more mature or girl crush.That could actually save them lol.Overall,i don't really care and I definitely wasted my time Bye.
Hahaha that last sentence though. But yea, I see what you mean. I wanna say throw Nmixx into how you explained Itzy and then Itzy's like slight above Nmixx but still pretty much there and I kinda am on the same board with the groups. I feel like Cake did pretty decently but nothing that has put Itzy name back on the map of like top groups. Plus with the amount of competition that was around when they first debuted to now, it's clear that is another factor thats kidna weighing them down into not looking as imapctful. Kind like how Kep1er and Nmixx is actually doing relatively decent but when you list top 4th gen girl groups, they probably won't be one of the first five you name just because there is so many other grousp that have just hit you in the face with more impact in their music.
Mixxpop is my favorite genre and it’s the only bit of artist identity nmixx had, so they should keep it. Dice was a hit and they should keep on doing mixxpop like that, they should definitely keep a darker concept, the cute concept in their recent single was a terrible choice for nmixx.
Agree kind of, I like the cutesy music but I think they shouldn’t do it as title tracks. maybe a b-side every once in a while or just have it on the album bc dice was really good and tank grew on me
Yesss, I got Dice on first listen so they started to do Mix pop well. It's such a shame they left that because literally same though; Nmixx's identity was Mix pop and so what they've done all feels-ish relatively generic. Do you think this was always JYP's plan? You think they adjusted because of the reception to Mix pop? or even because of Jinni's departure, they had to switch things up?
@@cloudchungxiao I think it wasn’t their plan to abandon mixxpop, I think they did it to give their company a more diverse and experimental image, but they won’t achieve it if they won’t really do it.
Ohh right, experiment with difference music genre besides just mixpop? I guess that could be it because there two eras in 2023 are pretty different. Even there pre-release was different too. But yea, if they do that, might be a bit harder for them to garner a solid fanbase because it really will have to rely on their personality since their track records of discography hasn't looked the best so far.
Jyp can’t evolve to what’s going on in the kpop music scene
Yea, I could see that. They just seem like the type who tries to deviate a little but it just doesn't work well. Plus idk if they've introduced anything new to the industry.
Nmixx O.O were 2 goods songs pieced together and thats what ruined it. Im glad they quit that genre as i dont feel like the general population wants to listen to 2 songs in 1.
I hate what JYP has done to Itzy. They came out with such a unique concept when every other GG was in high heels and skirts and then they gave them songs like Sneakers/Cake when they suit songs like Kill Shot better. Just my thoughts.
Ohh idk if you recently saw but they have a new version to O.O. If you've heard it, thoughts?
As for Itzy, idk how people feel about them tbh. Like a lot of people talk about how they peaked during their rookie days and those are more bright high teen concepts type of songs. Mafia in the morning kinda was the first issue and then cheshire doesn't get acknowledged as much. I feel like Kill shot falls into that realm but a bit more mature as oppose to mafia which is more girl crush. But yea, I see what you mean. I do wonder what direction they are wanting to go though.
i hope after skz contracts end, channie will make his own label...
I could see them also lowkey stay because so far there hasn't been anything where I would see as a complete dealbreaker for most of the members.
@@cloudchungxiao yeah
Same he would be a great daddy but Chris is too loyal to jype
Hummmm. I really can't disagree with anything here and even I and a friend of mine said the same things basically about Itzy, skz and Twice. I also wonder if JYP really thought nmixx debut through or he was just riding on the next level train which is a huge mistake in my opinion. That song is successful because of Aespa and not because of the genre of music.
I forgot about the Loud Group 😮
What's crazy is that the time for Itzy to debut after Twice is relatively similar to when Nmixx debuted after Itzy. Like a one-ish year difference but Nmixx lowkey still relatively rushed. But yea, I lowkey would have gotten the whole mix pop thing with Nmixx just because there name has mix in it so I think maybe that's kinda how it connects. So like they were gonna ride the trains of Mix pop and be a pioneer but nope.
@@cloudchungxiao Nmixx felt like JYP were coping without understanding the assignment so they failed to own it. But personally I think they could have made it their own sound with time. Moving away from it just made people question their decisions even more.
I can only really speak about Nmixx and Itzy because that’s who I listen to the most in JYP. People keep on saying things like Itzy fell off or other things but people were complaining about their music before sneakers. Sneakers didn’t break Itzy’s career people were already not liking their musical direction. People kept on confusing JYP about what they wanted from Itzy and I know it’s his company but he wants to keep his fans happy but I also feel as though that from what I’ve heard about Twice and their mature sound, I feel like Itzy is starting to head into that direction (IN MY PERSONAL OPINION!!) Now in terms of Nmixx, I feel as though JYP didn’t give the concept as much time. He saw that people weren’t feeling the concept even though Dice was a hit and a bop. It’s not that I don’t like their new songs or sound but it doesn’t go towards their original concept. I prefer their mix pop sound. Plus idk if anyone has noticed but have y’all peeped that Itzy and Stray Kids new songs have mix pop? I ended up hearing S-class and their is mix pop and even Cake there’s a mix pop element. I wonder if their doing that with their other groups to see how people will receive it so maybe Nmixx can go back to that sound, that’s just my thoughts though.
@@danaestradford9083 the last era I filly paid attention to skz was back door. I don't listen to them like that so I couldn't say about the mix pop but now that you mention is about Cake I can see it. And your right. People started complaining before sneakers dropped. After Wannabe and especially Not Shy people were loud and then Mafia dropped and people acted like it was the worst cb when it was one of their best for me in terms of tt and bsides.
I casually listen to Nmixx too and Dice was a bop for real but the shift after didn't draw me in at all. O.O and Tank may have been a bit harsh for me to listen to but they were sertainly different and had people talking and that's the point. I though JYP had harnassesd both the negatives and positives with Dice but they clearly didn't.
Yea, NMixx not committing to the mix pop was kinda like a discreet way for JYP Ent to almost admit they fumbled their debut title track. It almost even gives justification for listeners to not like the sound because even JYP had to switch them up.
But yea, I did hear the mix pop in Cake and did a side eye. Like it was the works of BEP, but also JYP approved this and was okay even though they led Nmixx away from it? Not sure about that. But yea, Itzy really are doing well for themselves but it's just noticable that there is more competition now that they're not just completely dominating now.
twice is full of grown women. they can’t keep doing cutesy concepts forever
Yea for sure, I do wonder how long those fans would have wanted them to continue the cutest concept or would it have been a slow transition. For me, I never really got into their cutesy music much but I do know of it's impact that it had.
there are like 40 people under division 2 and yet not one of them can do their job correctly they’re so bad that even jyp himself left that division
Not sure how to gage that. Not sure how much staff usually is looking after one group but yea, there is something lowkey off with the management of Itzy.
Let be honest twice and skz are still very popular these days idk very much about day6/2pm/xdinary heroes but as much as i know xdinary heroes is kinda doing good,itzy are doing worst these days but their Japanese comeback is so good and let's wait for their next korean comeback and for nmixx i liked their music tbh idk why people don't like it like they did pretty well in their lastest comebacks they're a million seller and their mv got over 50m views just in 1 week vcha is also doing well for a good that haven't debut yet their pre debut mv got 13m and all their songs got over 1m in spotify and they trend #1 in billboard so yeah imo i think their groups are doing well
Twice, Skz, Itzy yep agree with what you said in terms of their success at this point in time. For Nmixx though, did you vibe with the latest comeback because yea tbh, it wasn't my vibe. Then for Vcha, didn't even realise those were pre-debut singles. Literally thought that was their debut and then they disappeared.
Aren't most 2PM members not even in jyp anymore..? I'm definitely not sure tho. Also I think 2pm has such a fan base in Korea and they're definitely not nugu/unsuccessful. They're just not that popular internationally I guess
Most of 2PM are with JYP still. Including Jay Park, the third member out of seven recently left in 2022. But yea, they definitely up their for groups in JYP thriving in 2023 on an overall overview
For PK you could talk about how their company is pushing so hard on Survival shows in hopes of one or more members getting that pop off, even thought they are talented and could do amazing internationally like Dreamcatcher, but instead of comeback they are to busy on survival things😅
PK? Not sure which company that is but I was gonna start looking into Brand New Music after they disbanded BDC recently though.
survivals is a good method, it locks in core fans and following. You can only grow the fan base from there. Also it humanizes JYP, a lot of people portray him as a slave master, but what people don't realize is, he does let the groups determine the work they choose. JYP also is trying to hit niche groups, which is smart.
boystory?
Hahaha yea, JYP Ent's attempt in the chinese industry. It's their C-pop boy group. What's crazy is the fact that they debuted around 10-13 in 2017ish and have been on a hiatus-ish since 2021
2023 for jyp is not it. the only group i think is making good music is nmixx, but sadly at the expense of their identity with mixxpop.
Ohh really? How have you felt about their releases in 2023? Like you vibed with all of them? Plus you hear their new version of O.O?
Underrated fact:-
1. Twice has been releasing no-skip album which are mostly song of the year material(let it be group,solo or unit)
2. Nmixx has released best mini album with song of the year(lmlt) and another best single album.
3. Stray kids has released best title ever( s-class).
Still they flopped. I really thought that twice and nmixx will achieve a successful feat this year.
Wym straykids flopped baby they got so many fans with five star and they still proving why they 4 gen leaders breaking records after records many of their big mv have over 100 million views and five star was the fastest and they are self made that ain’t got no song writers and they didn’t have their own rooms til stays complained to jyp over and over again NOBODY IN THEIR LANE they in their own and that’s that
@@aymeryiacarey6821 didn't know it. I heard some ppl saying it that they couldn't get s-class. Whereas this is my most favorite song of This year( swerving i'm speeding on serpent road, luxurious like i'm an s-class, best of the best on first class,i'm up above the world, so high i'll be there shinin day nd night they wonder how my spotlight is so bright) with the best rap too. They also had bops like item, topline that's why i started following them. But i didn't know thst they had this much achieved with this most sold album of all time.
Would you mind saying something abt the billboard winner legendary female group of this year TWICE?
@@rafialam6577 I don’t really know much about twice yet but I started to get into other groups because of straykids but I do know that twice was and still is one of jyp best selling groups along wit them I would say to much because I have to get my facts straight first that is always important but if you look up kpop twice is always one of the first few you see so that should say something in itself right
@@aymeryiacarey6821 yes! Twice holds the nation girl group title with 11 million plus album sold till this date. They are the only female kpop group to achieve this feat. They have also numerous win on korean shows along with billboard charting too. It is all because they still put all their hard work, sincerity in what they are doing. That actually proves to be right because with all the rumours and scandals they had till today,they are still strong, active and sincere as a female group. I just hope for the best for them as they deserve much more because of their activities as kpop artists. They really hold nation girl group and billboard winning artist title for a reason. Massive respect to them.❤️
@@rafialam6577 yes I do to even though I don’t them stan them I can still see the impact they have in kpop jyp would be in the building or place he is without them I give the girls they’re credits because they deserve it and much more for all the bullshit they went through and still go through and thats for all kpop groups their industry is so different from US and anybody can see that and I respect all of them for giving it all they got just because they wanna do something in this world that they love and a lot of them do it for the fans
NMIXX is genuinely such wasted potential. The company found some of the best vocalists in the Korean idol industry, and then wasted their talents on shitty songs and every 24/7, NMIXX constantly changes concepts and sounds. Maybe Lily should’ve went to YG instead💀
YG? But then wouldn't she lowkey be in the dungeon hahaha. But yea, it feels like wasted potential considering how strong the talent is within that group. Makes me more curious on what Jini's new solo career will look like and whether she could potentially pop off
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Not sure what this refers to
Omg
In a say way?
twice is fading when they could still be growing
I wouldn't say they're completely fading. In comparison to the whole kpop competition, they're actually doing pretty alright. Might just not have that much recognition or notability in comparison to their peak but still nothing to be scared for them about.