He's still a very strong character. I think most people are just upset about the nerfs kinda removing some of his identity. The kill rush nerf was too much
@@dhayris160 it still is, this didn't effect his flicker oki at all, minus some long range super 3s. Also it is highly overrated, you can't walk back shimmy against flicker. It's actually more interactible than regular oki
The OD blitz and KRB changes were overkill. Those two even break the character guide, it was _that_ core to his kit and they decided it was fair game to nerf. I wish that same energy existed whenever Ken changes are made, lol.
They did Ed like how they should’ve done Ken, Akuma, Bison, and rashid. Everyone agreed that those characters were the most problematic, but because Japanese players kept getting bullied by leshar and their opinion is more important, that’s how we ended up here.
@ they treated Ed like he was the most problematic character in the game, when in my opinion he’s not anywhere near as messed up as the other good characters, at least Ed is hard to play and requires good execution to be optimal, the only reason he got done like this is because of leshar, japan hated that guy
Kakeru is a japanese player and they nerfed Jp a lot,It's nothing about the players,Capcom is just weird about their balance patch,those characters you said they ALL need nerfs
Honestly the crouch light kick nerf was insanely dumb especially since his jab is so stubby. The ex blitz was a great nerf and making him whiff punishable. That was literally all that was needed to keep him in line. I dnt get why they went in so hard when ken keeps having jinrai buffed.
Totally agree. lk not linking on counter hit, BUT ex blitz. It's one or the other: -Make lk not combo on counter, so you have to commit to ex blitz after one lk, spend 2 bars and be minus. -Make blitz unsafe, but lk combos on counter. So if you miss the counter confirm, or if there was no counter, you can't go into lk lk ex blitz Nerfing both is just jumb
I just think they went so hard Ed nerds right before the "LCQ" for Capcom Cup and subsequently, Capcom Cup. I think just nerfing meter gain and OD Blitz was probably fine and then do the rest of the neefs once Mai comes out. Just seems like Capcom had something against Ed players. Especially when characters like Rashid and Ken exist. I've been playing Rashid since he came out and I've been waiting for the day my character gets some changed but it's been slaps on the wrist the whole time. While characters like Zangief and Ed are getting nerfed. I'm just very confused by what Capcom is thinking.
The only nerf that irritates me is CrLK - CrLK on counter hit not working anymore. The rest i can live with just fine. Also the krb needs tweaking a bit
Kill rush and OD Blitz are the only 2 nerfs that were way too much for his identity: • Kill rush having a massive hurtbox on the way back is not okay. The entire point of that move was to bait options with it and retreat to mid screen with it where Ed is really strong. Getting clipped unrealistically out if it gives opponents free pressure sequences after interrupting it and thats not okay either. That was his unique character trait and it was destroyed in an instant. • OD Blitz should be -3 at least. Give it it's safeness back and the option to where pefect party can potentially become a mindgame to where Ed can take steal his turn back with it. Everything else is fine: • C.Lk is fair because that button is way good and checks alot of things that are normally not punishable by other characters. Best button in the game still • c.MK and c.HP having a hurtbox extension is necessary because he was so hard to whiff punish • Lvl2 taking away drive all on the final hit instead of each time the opponent landed on the orb is a great change too. Dropping dream combos means you could potentially go negative in drive because of it. Really respectful change.
@thatguy8841 Ed has an amazing crouching light kick. It's one of the most consistent 4 frame punishes in the game, linked into itself on counter hit and has really good range to contest where other characters can't. The fact that it was able to link into itself made hit confirming it really easy and it's a very solid scramble button too. It has an answer for everything so gutting it was fair. He'll be fine without it imo
@@TheAuraRealm Ed's crouch light kick isn't even a four frame punish, it's 5 frames and even then I'm not talking about it's use as a punish tool, you can still combo it into itself on punish so the nerf didn't affect that aspect of it
@@TheAuraRealm I'm talking about it's use as a defensive tool. He lacks so much defensively, like look at ken as a direct example. Ken's stand light kick and Ed's crouch light kick both have the same range and can't combo into itself, so they're functionally the same. But ken also has a jab that's +5 so he can follow up into that light kick without the need to even counter hit confirm. He has a 5 frame medium he can also go for if he wants a side switch or corner carry, again without needing a counter hit, he also has a 6 frame medium so if he does get one he can go light-medium which gives him better reward when challenging pressure. Meanwhile Ed's jabs are stubby on top of lacking in all these other aspects.
Idc about the mk and hk changes, they help make Ed more playable against but the lk and OD hands nerf was a little overkill imo, and the krb nerf in my opinion, turned flicker a commitment since he can’t bait out DI anymore. Tier breaker for sure but he’ll still be in top 10 contention.
Jamie player here, so I have no sympathy for Ed, but yes the nerfs ar not good. Making him whiff punishable was needed. The Dream Combo meter lock was also a needed nerf. And that's about it, the character was normalised : no more whiffing normals half screeen away, and no more Dream Combo destroying your jauge while filling his. Good. All the rest is overkill. Destroying his lk while making OD Blitz unsafe is a terrible combo. His light are already very very stubby and useless. It basically makes the character's toolkit incomplete. You cannot link lk on counter anymore, BUT if you commit to OD blitz it's ALSO unsafe (you still lost 2 bars). That doesn't make any sense, pick one. Same, what's the logic behind killrush backsway ? It's a feint that does not feint anymore ? Same as above, it creates a hole in character's toolkit. I hate useless moves, as every developper should I'm all for nerfs and normalization, but I don't like when they make characters less fun to play. Meanwhile Ken's are still out here YOLOing and downplaying on twitter
yeah like I'll happily take nerfs but please make them thoughtful. I'd be so down if they did something about how good ed flicker oki is. The kill rush change doesn't impact him that much but it sucks ass since it was a very fun move to use.
@@jorgebarnardo9259 What does it have to do with the topic ? I'm literaly vouching for a different character than mine and yet you found a way to whine about Jamie
People were throwing out flicker with no repercussions. Sure there are a lot of moves like that but man it was just such a neutral skip move, he was safe/plus after, and that back dash made it so he can just cancel and cycle it from a completely unpunishable distance. He gets no sympathy. Also he had so much chip from a distance it was like fighting a faster jp so when he ex it just ate away at what was left. Again no sympathy.
He's still a very strong character. I think most people are just upset about the nerfs kinda removing some of his identity. The kill rush nerf was too much
There were just better ways to rein in that ability, I think.
No it wasn't. Flicker oki was notoriously uninteactable.
@@dhayris160 it still is, this didn't effect his flicker oki at all, minus some long range super 3s. Also it is highly overrated, you can't walk back shimmy against flicker. It's actually more interactible than regular oki
that hasn't changed almost at all lol. He now just randomly gets hit trying to do kill rush backwards in neutral.@@dhayris160
@@yellow4525 A lot of characters can DI it now. Even if you kill rush backwards, he still gets hit by a good chunk of characters.
The OD blitz and KRB changes were overkill. Those two even break the character guide, it was _that_ core to his kit and they decided it was fair game to nerf. I wish that same energy existed whenever Ken changes are made, lol.
Did they ever revert that yet? I don't even play Ed and I got miffed seeing those.
@degen7278 Nope. That was the last patch for S2. Only hope is after the Cup now.
Ken is weak
They did Ed like how they should’ve done Ken, Akuma, Bison, and rashid. Everyone agreed that those characters were the most problematic, but because Japanese players kept getting bullied by leshar and their opinion is more important, that’s how we ended up here.
True. As a main Ed I'm not mad about the nerfs, I'm mad they didn't nerf those other ones closely as equally.
@ they treated Ed like he was the most problematic character in the game, when in my opinion he’s not anywhere near as messed up as the other good characters, at least Ed is hard to play and requires good execution to be optimal, the only reason he got done like this is because of leshar, japan hated that guy
@@SquidwardProfilePic We pay for his sins
There's also an obvious bias towards Ken, Akuma and Rashid from Capcom
Kakeru is a japanese player and they nerfed Jp a lot,It's nothing about the players,Capcom is just weird about their balance patch,those characters you said they ALL need nerfs
Honestly the crouch light kick nerf was insanely dumb especially since his jab is so stubby. The ex blitz was a great nerf and making him whiff punishable. That was literally all that was needed to keep him in line. I dnt get why they went in so hard when ken keeps having jinrai buffed.
Totally agree. lk not linking on counter hit, BUT ex blitz. It's one or the other:
-Make lk not combo on counter, so you have to commit to ex blitz after one lk, spend 2 bars and be minus.
-Make blitz unsafe, but lk combos on counter. So if you miss the counter confirm, or if there was no counter, you can't go into lk lk ex blitz
Nerfing both is just jumb
I just think they went so hard Ed nerds right before the "LCQ" for Capcom Cup and subsequently, Capcom Cup. I think just nerfing meter gain and OD Blitz was probably fine and then do the rest of the neefs once Mai comes out. Just seems like Capcom had something against Ed players.
Especially when characters like Rashid and Ken exist. I've been playing Rashid since he came out and I've been waiting for the day my character gets some changed but it's been slaps on the wrist the whole time. While characters like Zangief and Ed are getting nerfed. I'm just very confused by what Capcom is thinking.
The back step nerf is the only gripe I have. It made no sense. Everything else is fine
i liked the part when you delayed the EX blitz by 1-2 frames
The only nerf that irritates me is CrLK - CrLK on counter hit not working anymore. The rest i can live with just fine. Also the krb needs tweaking a bit
Kill rush and OD Blitz are the only 2 nerfs that were way too much for his identity:
• Kill rush having a massive hurtbox on the way back is not okay. The entire point of that move was to bait options with it and retreat to mid screen with it where Ed is really strong. Getting clipped unrealistically out if it gives opponents free pressure sequences after interrupting it and thats not okay either. That was his unique character trait and it was destroyed in an instant.
• OD Blitz should be -3 at least. Give it it's safeness back and the option to where pefect party can potentially become a mindgame to where Ed can take steal his turn back with it.
Everything else is fine:
• C.Lk is fair because that button is way good and checks alot of things that are normally not punishable by other characters. Best button in the game still
• c.MK and c.HP having a hurtbox extension is necessary because he was so hard to whiff punish
• Lvl2 taking away drive all on the final hit instead of each time the opponent landed on the orb is a great change too. Dropping dream combos means you could potentially go negative in drive because of it. Really respectful change.
He should get crouch light kick back, Ken's crouch jab is +5 on regular hit where Ed's jabs are bad, he needs a good light
@thatguy8841
Ed has an amazing crouching light kick. It's one of the most consistent 4 frame punishes in the game, linked into itself on counter hit and has really good range to contest where other characters can't. The fact that it was able to link into itself made hit confirming it really easy and it's a very solid scramble button too. It has an answer for everything so gutting it was fair. He'll be fine without it imo
@@TheAuraRealm Ed's crouch light kick isn't even a four frame punish, it's 5 frames and even then I'm not talking about it's use as a punish tool, you can still combo it into itself on punish so the nerf didn't affect that aspect of it
@@TheAuraRealm I'm talking about it's use as a defensive tool. He lacks so much defensively, like look at ken as a direct example.
Ken's stand light kick and Ed's crouch light kick both have the same range and can't combo into itself, so they're functionally the same. But ken also has a jab that's +5 so he can follow up into that light kick without the need to even counter hit confirm. He has a 5 frame medium he can also go for if he wants a side switch or corner carry, again without needing a counter hit, he also has a 6 frame medium so if he does get one he can go light-medium which gives him better reward when challenging pressure. Meanwhile Ed's jabs are stubby on top of lacking in all these other aspects.
@@TheAuraRealm what I'm saying is his crouch light kick is his ONLY good light and that nerfed it
14:21 Ken player mentality
Ken hater detected, haters gonna hate
Ahh The Ein theme from DoA4. I really hope the game comes back with another title...
“may as well go work at Macdonalds”
the music lol
Anyone know the song at 2:40 into the video I’ve been trying to find it and can’t it’s so sick
Anyone else notice Ed usage has gone down too?
Idc about the mk and hk changes, they help make Ed more playable against but the lk and OD hands nerf was a little overkill imo, and the krb nerf in my opinion, turned flicker a commitment since he can’t bait out DI anymore. Tier breaker for sure but he’ll still be in top 10 contention.
Ed now joins JP and Blanka in the struggle zone.
Streets of rage ost? Heaven yes!!!
Bro with Nephew i can't tell if it's sarcasm or not
i don't think he ever jokes around. he is a very serious person
@@SamuraiBeavsi read this in his voice and now i can’t tell if it’s sarcasm or not
@@lunakirby128 that doesn’t sound so good
ed was so fun, the massacred the dude with nerfs
6:13 if you get hit by that lvl 3 you deserve it that had nothing to do with flicker back dash 😂
2:28 that was embarrassing. Don't do that.
Jamie player here, so I have no sympathy for Ed, but yes the nerfs ar not good. Making him whiff punishable was needed. The Dream Combo meter lock was also a needed nerf. And that's about it, the character was normalised : no more whiffing normals half screeen away, and no more Dream Combo destroying your jauge while filling his. Good.
All the rest is overkill. Destroying his lk while making OD Blitz unsafe is a terrible combo. His light are already very very stubby and useless. It basically makes the character's toolkit incomplete. You cannot link lk on counter anymore, BUT if you commit to OD blitz it's ALSO unsafe (you still lost 2 bars). That doesn't make any sense, pick one.
Same, what's the logic behind killrush backsway ? It's a feint that does not feint anymore ? Same as above, it creates a hole in character's toolkit. I hate useless moves, as every developper should
I'm all for nerfs and normalization, but I don't like when they make characters less fun to play.
Meanwhile Ken's are still out here YOLOing and downplaying on twitter
yeah like I'll happily take nerfs but please make them thoughtful. I'd be so down if they did something about how good ed flicker oki is. The kill rush change doesn't impact him that much but it sucks ass since it was a very fun move to use.
Jamie is next. He’s OP
Gonna be real I loathe Jamie players simply for the endless moaning and self-victimizing
@@jorgebarnardo9259 What does it have to do with the topic ? I'm literaly vouching for a different character than mine and yet you found a way to whine about Jamie
Why is Ken in the thumbnail with Ed? Is Nephew implying something?
He’s referring to a tweet about Ed backdash move (forgot the name) hurtbox that sent Ed flying lol
song? 9:09
SFV M.Bison theme
Not you clipping the whole lv2 lol
He's still Ed lol fun and fun to use so idc
People were throwing out flicker with no repercussions. Sure there are a lot of moves like that but man it was just such a neutral skip move, he was safe/plus after, and that back dash made it so he can just cancel and cycle it from a completely unpunishable distance. He gets no sympathy. Also he had so much chip from a distance it was like fighting a faster jp so when he ex it just ate away at what was left. Again no sympathy.
El primo
SFV is still better
Nah
Good riddance.
No. Ed should’ve gotten more nerfs. Fake ass Dudley Rog mashup
Cry
@@Wyn3e I don’t play 6 because overall it’s trash.
Instead of making a lame comment on my comment, go outside and make some friends
@@theoneandonlyseankeaton yh most cope shi ive heard
Character is still crazy, he was pay to win before, now he is just broken