Why Russia Isn't Using Stealth Su-57s, How Many They Actually Have, and How Effective They'd Be
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- No sponsor, times are hard. But With Russia losing several aircraft in Ukraine lately, it's made me wonder why they don't use their Su-57 stealth aircraft? After all, that's what stealth is for, to avoid radar and being shot down! So we explore why they're not around, how many Russia even has, what they'd even be able to achieve, and all with the latest satellite imagery
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The stealth tech of the SU-57 and T-14 Armata is off the charts. No one has even seen them on the battlefield, it's just too good.
LOL
More hollow bragging. It is easily disproven by the fact that they are not dominating the sky over Ukraine. Russia is always saying the BS that you're repeating. And if the Armata was the wonder tank you claim, again why are they not using them? Because if they did the world would see this is all more false boasts. The proof is in the pudding and they are afraid to serve it up.😆
@@YourMentalDamageRussia is a pathetic joke compared to what the Soviet Union was, Russian pilots are ducttaping smartphones to their planes to use Google maps for God's sake
To think that everyone thought they would take Kyiv in 3 days.. LMFAO keep coping comrade
@@YourMentalDamage The US isn't going to give the raptor to anyone, that was the situation from day 1. There have already been Abrams seen in Ukraine.
@@YourMentalDamage yeah like the US is gonna hand over Raptors to Ukraine, a plane that they never shared or sold even to their closest allies. Anyway your argument is moot, the Raptor is operational just like the latest versions of the Abrams, on the other hand the T-14 and the SU-57 are no where to be seen.
Of course they are using them, we just can't see them because they're invisible. Just like how they are using the T-14, and it's just so effective that there is no evidence of it being in combat. /sarcasm
Lol not sarcasm
@@menwithven8114the funny part is you raging about it. 😂
@@menwithven8114pretty funny
Damn. I think he deleted his comment? You guys roasted him harder than a Javelin roasting a T72.
You guys wanna hear my joke?
Which can fly higher? SU57 or a T72 tank?
The answer is T72.
I only came here to state this exact obvious fact.
T-72 turrets have more flying time than the Su-57
At least they don't crash so often as the fail 35 😂😂
Despite being the most advanced fighter jet available, the F-35 has been involved in 29 crashes since it began flying 17 years ago. With over 721,000 flight hours and more than 965 delivered F-35s, the aircraft has a relatively low crash rate, with fewer than ten confirmed destroyed planes and one pilot fatality.
@@elpupuserothe SU 57 is garbage cope Trollboy
@@elpupusero Russhkies can't even build the Su-57
@@omital-ittna1200 from what European country your family is from?
@@omital-ittna1200 keep crying dumb F, 😆 🤣 😂
That the hull markings are blurred makes it clear that they're previously existing jets. There has been no precedent for concealing those hull markings in the past.
Вхвххаххахахахаххааххаха. Что мешает изменить номер, Господи? Что вообще у вас в голове.
@@ИлларионРакин Зачем блурить номера тогда?
@@markvorobjov6185 Секретка потому что. Формальный подход (бюрократия) - во-первых, сокрытия реальной численности и того что и куда перебрасывают во-вторых. Определить наличие самолета на аэродроме со спутника можно, а вот увидеть его серийные номера нет. Это может быть связано с множеством причин начиная от отчетности (так положено или вышло такое распоряжение), напромер ВСЕ советские учебники для военных кафедр в которых содержится специальная техническая информация находятся в "ограниченном доступе", их нельзя выносить из библиотек и чтобы ими пользоваться нужен 3 уровень допуска (хотя они все давно есть в интернете и естественно никаких тайн там нет), тоже самое с телефонами в военных частях. Если бы было желание обманывать и показывать что произведено самолетов больше чем на самом деле, то собрали бы все выпущенные самолеты, каждый год меняли бы номера и делали вид что сдают их партиями в 10 самолетов пару раз в год. А то что показывают по одному и всё блюрят, как-раз скорее говорит о том, что их действительно производят.
@@markvorobjov6185 Кстати на всех видео министерства обороны их зоны СВО серийные номера самолетов и вертолетов тоже замазывают. Там они тоже ненастоящие чтоли?)
@@markvorobjov6185 they didn't think of just painting over the numbers :p
Friendly reminder that the US has more operational Super Carriers than Russia has 5th gen stealth fighters.
That might be the burn of the year. Like, WOW. 😂
@grantbarday5760 I had another one a few days prior that the Su-57 is such a poor quality aircraft for a 5th generation fighter even the Chinese don't have a knockoff version of it.
@@gibster9624 ok, also a good one XD. How about this:
“There aren’t enough T14s for a single tank to kill and become a tank ace”
Friendly reminder: the US is led by Biden and Russia is led by Putin.
@ignatiusmoriasi4991 AKA if you are in visual range you are probably already dead.
The first production model crashing while being transferred from the factory is the most Russia thing ever
this.
Also, being able to detect a stealth aircraft does not mean you can target said aircraft. Stealth aircraft can be detected with low frequency(longer slower wavelength) radars but that return isn't good enough for targeting. The high frequency (shorter faster wavelengths) radar used for targeting can't "see" stealth aircraft.
That's why countries like China and Russia say "they can detect the f-35" or f-22. They can but they can not target them. But they like to play on people ignorance about how stealth aircraft and radars work. They play the same game for hypersonic missiles too.
"That's why countries like China and Russia say "they can detect the f-35" or f-22. They can but they can not target them."
Russia can do both. China can do both, but at shorter range.
Some other nations are also capable of this, but Russia is current leader in antistealth tech. By a big margin. China is probably 2nd in line.
And because USA specifically disallowed such research up until 10-15 years ago, USA and most of Nato are FAAAR behind.
"The high frequency (shorter faster wavelengths) radar used for targeting can't "see" stealth aircraft. "
That's a misconception and wrong. The RANGE they can be seen is REDUCED, not made impossible.
And there's a number of tricks for improving both range and chance to detect.
"They play the same game for hypersonic missiles too."
And yesterday, a Ukraine commander Ignati admitted that Ukraine's airdefence have NEVER even hit a Russian supersonic missile.
Supersonic includes hypersonic in case you don't understand this.
You forgot a "not" so you said the opposite of what you meant to say lol.
It happens to the best of us 😁
@@DIREWOLFx751) Yury Ignat is not a commander, he's a spokesperson for the Ukrainian army.
2) that comment was not made yesterday, it was made March 9, 2023 BEFORE they received patriot.
Russians and their lies: they think if they include a kernel of truth no one will check them. What they forget is that they've lied so consistently that people always check them now, and once again, you did not disappoint!
@@wilfdarr 👍
@@DIREWOLFx75 Russia barely has AESA radar on any of it's fighters. Almost every American fighter now has 2nd generation AESA radar. And China has a 10-20 year lead over Russia in stealth and radar technology at this point, they're mass producing J-20s and most of their fighter fleet is being equipped with AESA. And so far the US is the only country testing aircraft with IR reduction coatings- look at the chrome F-22s and F-35s. And neither China nor Russia have engine nozzles that passively cool engine exhaust to diminish infrared signature. I don't know how you got the idea the America is behind in Low Observable, IRST or Radar technology.
People make fun of the f-22 not having a single kill (except a balloon) ignoring that USA hasn’t been in a war with anyone with and actual air force with planes to shoot down in decades. If USA was in a war like Russia was in with Ukraine and the f-22 sat out of it, then everyone would be first in line to call the raptor an expensive failure.And they’d be right. However with su-57 these same people have nothing but excuses.
No air to air kills. Its has been dropping bombs since the war in afghanistan and also syria
Wasn't F22 engaging the Wagner guys in Africa?
probably@@marka7759
@@marka7759no old school c-130. You don't need anything high tech to wipe the floor with that second rate outfit.
lol, literally the f22 didn't shoot down an f4 because it wasnt necessary it got to meeters of distance without being detected. Look at the sand storm operation. Im not american so i don't have a bias, but dude don't compare US and Russia they are on completely different levels. Look at the hitts of the Patriots, 4 su34 down in a single attack, simply put russia has cold era technology. They are literally 40 years behind and its showing by their lack of progress in a small country like ukraine
Because it's so big, with such a large surface area, the Su-57 just has that much more stealth per aircraft. Therefore due to that fact, it's SO stealthy that it's completely invisible.
ok bud lol :)
@@derek8564 Someone's sarcasm detector is broken.
@@AgentX2006 if it's a Russian Bot, they fully believe in their sarcasm. It's national policy that Russian Irony is Truth.
@@PomaReign this is the most obvious joke ever, stop being a goof
jokes aside, the difference in size between f22 and su57 is so small the effect of the rcs to the the difference is practically close to none.
With Russia, if you don't see it, it doesn't exist.
We've seen 8 T-14's in their May Day parade.
They have 8 T-14's.
We've photographed or have intelligence on 10 Su-57's.
They have 10 Su-57's.
They also have 10k nukes so yeah don’t mess with them clown
I've seen footage of T-14s in Donets so they are there, just not in the front lines.
Apparently they are used by battalion commanders using the new computer networking systems to coordinate operations.
@@stevebuckley7788 bs. if it had been in Donets, it would be destroyed by know
@@richardschipper5989ive seen em too , everyone who uses telegramm to get real footage , but you stuck here knowing sh it and talking bs
as we say in russia, "coach experts".
The SU-57's are probably where all the T-14 Armata's are .... Super power my ass!
just a sovereign country with its own opinion.
The T-14 took part in combat operations in Syria when the main terrorist group was destroyed.
Ukraine is not Syria, T-14s there will light up like Christmas trees.
10k in nukes says otherwise and undetectable subs off the coast of Cali ur gone
You clearly dont know what u r talking about. If Russia was weak, USA would have already arrested Putin like they did to my president and his brother for selling drugs.
You sound so ignorant as F,,, the Fails 35 have more crashes than any other plane
Despite being the most advanced fighter jet available, the F-35 has been involved in 29 crashes since it began flying 17 years ago. With over 721,000 flight hours and more than 965 delivered F-35s, the aircraft has a relatively low crash rate, with fewer than ten confirmed destroyed planes and one pilot fatality.
It's pretty obvious why the Russians aren't using them. The final engines, which produce more power and are more stealthy, haven't even reached production yet. Currently only low numbers of aircraft are being produced and they will almost exclusively be used for training and testing. It's still quite possible that they don't even go ahead with mass production. That's actually what happened to the Armata tank. They did some field tests, looked at what they had learned in Ukraine, sent it back to the drawing board for a redesign and in the meantime the Armata production line has been shifted to other vehicles.
Trustworthy information regarding how stealthy the Su-57 really is doesn't exist in public. The only thing we can 100% safely assume is that the materials are not as good as the western ones, but that doesn't actually affect low frequency radar all that much so it's more an issue regarding targeting radars and active seekers. So we can't really say how far away we will be able to spot it, only that it's somewhere between a gen 4-4.5 aircraft and a western gen 5 and that once we do it will be easier to lock on to. Ukraine has one of the most densely defended airspaces on the planet and when it comes to SEAD, if that is their main goal, then it would probably be a lot more resource efficient for Russia to just produce more long range anti-radiation missiles.
It's important to remember that Russian doctrine and western doctrine are different. If we evaluate their equipment based on our own usage methodology we are bound to misjudge them.
Well their claims about avalibility and the numbers that were going to be produced were so far removed from reality it is hard not to take everything they say with a massive grain of salt.
Russian doctrine in Syria is to have air supremacy within it's area or denial, so there is an overlap with western doctrine, yet they don't have air supremacy over Ukraine territory. Not using a so-called stealth aircraft to achieve this alludes to the Russians either not having faith in their aircraft' abilities or they don't have many/any to spare....their pilot numbers may also be a factor.
Exactly and first of all they don't need Su-57's to deal with Ukraine. Secondly, Russia has only just now managed to get the right engines for them so they can fly at supercruise. As you know, you can't be a stealth jet without supercruise.
That is not even the reason. The jet is simply undergoing state trials and occasionally launches some cruise missile or weapon at Ukrainian line near the border. It is foolishness to send an airframe you are not a master of to a combat ground out of pride. Russia is still learning the platform. Simple as that. Aside from that, everything else Russia has does the job they want.
@@rick7424 Those numbers are still going to be produced. As it stands 14 have been built for the Airforce. And another 52 are to follow in the next 3 years. (Most likely 30 or so, due to bad planning and supply chain delays for no apparent reason)
“This stealth plane…..is it in the room with us right now”?
Well it has the radar cross section of a barn so you would know
😅 да, черти, срите в свои памперсы, разрешаю
@@all-seeingeye6364 i think maybe you've missed how completely hilarious we all find the idea of su57s being a stealth aircraft.
hell, even IF it was stealthy there are so few it hardly matters. but according to sukhoi it's got the rcs of an f18 - which NO-ONE calls stealth. they're slightly less scary than capybaras.
@@sjs9698 it's all your amerikan marketing😅
Your "flying" bucket of nails will always, even in Africa will be bucket of nails😁😁😁😁😁
It's hard to show off new equipment when you have exaggerated their capabilities and have less then 5 operational aircraft. Just like the T14, it's overhyped to try and make Russia look like a super power when we all know that they aren't.
The US has been the lone world super power since '91.
T-14 isn't overhyped per se. It "only" lacks the engine.
Also I'm sure Russia wouldn't want footage of a modern 57 being hit by a 80's manpad all over internet
How is Russia not a super power if it can turn the whole US into ashes within minutes.
Bingo. Look how embarrassing it was having the F-117 shot down by a '50s SAM system. Russia doesn't want to deal with that PR disaster, especially when they intend to sell these planes.@@superdidly1
I subscribe to the Lazerpig principle of "if you don't see the Russian equipment, it doesn't exist". I think it's perfectly plausible that they don't have more than 3, possibly 4 Su57 production airframes based on the evidence in this video.
They have somewhere between 5-7 units for sure
Based on this video and rest of the western videos Russia has nothing they are fighting with showels and washing machines , and still managed to take uk size Ukraine territory with showels against western magical weapons. Wake up west is behind the third world
I wouldn't doubt that they have at least 10, but it's certainly not very convincing that they've started blurring out the numbers on the "new batches". Like you said, Russia lies constantly, so I wouldn't be surprised if these are old Felons posing as new ones
And if you don't see it doing what it says it can do.. it can't.
Lazerpig the guy that says stupid sht and gets humiliated frequently.
Just because its a Temu version of an F22 doesnt mean its actually stealth.
The U.S. keeps deploying F117As in Iraq and Syria. It helps to have a deep bench of low-RCS options.
What? Why would they, especially since F117 has been retired.
There is no proof. Recent strikes against Iranian backed groups have been carried out by F-15Es, F-16s, and AC-130s as far as we know, but there’s no way they’d pull an F-117 back into combat since pilots are training against them in the states.
@@TB-zf7we That was during the Persian Gulf and Desert Strom.
Chocolate rain guy? The hell you doing here man LOL
@@BullGator-kd6ge His talking about the Persian Gulf war and desert storm.
They have a seemingly never-ending supply of flying T-72 turrets to compensate for the lack of SU-57's, though...
I can imagine how you would shit yourself if you were taken by the scruff of the neck from your stuffed sofa and sent to Ukraine to fight against t72.
@@alexalex-v2s I’d have no problem fighting against T 72s. Not difficult at all. The trick is figuring the wind so you can avoid being hit when the turrets land
@@dhowe5180 do you think that Ukraine will mobilize an additional half a million people, because all the operators of the FPV and others are alive?
@@dhowe5180 Ukrainians seem to have problem enough.
@@alexalex-v2sloo.ruzzia already mobilized 1m and had 1m before war and gonna mobilize more. Waht are u talking about?😂
They don’t need to use the SU-57 because the T-14 Armata is currently flying stealth missions in Ukraine.
Interesting fact: T-72 main battle tank have more flight time than Su-57.
Aaah, the Su57, the T14 of the sky 😂
its so "stealthy" that their own pilots cant find it
I hadn't realized just how little stealth the Su-57 offered. Getting detected at more than half the distance of a fourth-gen aircraft makes me wonder if the Su-57 might be better classified as a 4.5 gen aircraft.
The rest of the world knows that the SU-57 isn't a "stealth" aircraft. The Russians are lying about this airplane, just like they lie about everything else. The really sad part is how many Russians believe their government's lies.
Remember the days when Ukraine didn't have western air defence? Russia supposedly has anti-radiation missiles too and they know what exactly a Ukrainian S300 can do, yet no Su-57 free rein. That tells me Russia doesn't have a 5th gen fighter. They call the Su-57 a 5th gen but of course there's no 5th gen police, I can call my paper airplane 5th gen because you can't see it on radar.
Rodger, correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that you think Putin is trying to destroy Ukraine. He's not. It's a joke to think that Ukraine can go up against Russia and win a protracted war.
more of a 4.5 gen then a true 5th gen like F22 and F35. China J-20 is probably way better than Su-57
But they will lose to NATO if Putin lives that long.@@desertodavid
Is that what it tells you? Is that your gut talking? Maybe you need to see a doctor for that gastro problem? 😂😂
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5:40 - akhem - JDAM was also bolted on. That's the beauty of the idea.
You have to be careful with the numbering. It wouldn't be the first time that Russia has changed the numbers on their planes to give the illusion of more than they really have. That's what happened back then with the Yak 38
Probably blur the numbers because its too expensive to repaint stealth surfaces.
The SU-57 is just like the Armada T-14, both are JUNK
I don't know which is worse - the fact that the -57 and the Armata are junk (as you state), or the fact that so many Russians believe their government when they say that they possess the best weapons in the world.
Glide bomb is also external carried and increase RCS, which make the plane not stealthy
The massive sarcasm quotes around the Su-57's "'stealth'" capabilities are probably why they are not being used. Can't sell them to other countries if they get blown up every time they go out, and Ukraine has been known to move a Patriot system or two around now and then. And Ukraine would absolutely prioritize taking one of those down if they thought one had been launched.
The SU-57 is the stealthiest aircraft in existence because it never leaves the hangar.
The ñame of the game is CORRUPTION.
THE MONEY WAS USED BY PUTIN & Friends, enormous mansions and ships, light ladies, etc
The SU-57 is hiding away in the same shed as the Armata T14 tank.
These "wonder weapons" are so precious, so expensive, mostly still prototypes and Russia can't afford to lose any. That's why they've not even been allowed out and definitely nowhere near Ukraine.
Agree. And another reason why no one sees them is that the Russians don't want to suffer the embarrassment when their super-weapons are destroyed.
Your channel is pure quality. Wishing the CC team a very happy new year! Cheers dude!
My guess is the SU57 is not stealthy at all. It's a Hype-fighter, a naked emporer.
If you use the SU-57, and it's not as stealthy as claimed, then your sales pitch evaporated overnight.
Without overseas sales, Russia will struggle to build more for itself.
P.S. I wrote this near the start of the video.
The Su-57 does not even have S-shaped inlets that even some 4.5gen fighters (like the eurofighter) use to minimize RCS. It’s RCS is likely quite bad, also because it is quite big and only optimized for one radar direction.
Reportedly it has the same RCS as a clean FA18
You really don't know what you are talking about but it sounded good eh?
@@TheRealBillBob tell me where he is wrong?
I've seen photos that show that they install grates inside the inlets. Not sure if how widespread that is, or if its universal.
Your problem is you are stupid. You think there is only 1 way to solve a problem. The Su57 has RAM coated mesh doors that keep radar waves away from the engine blades. And the engines are placed farther back in the housing to reduce the intensity of the reflections. Learn the physics and stop with the assumptions..
something to keep in mind is that by russia's own published numbers the SU57 has an RCS comparable to an F/A18E/F super hornet. it's an improvement over a flanker but even by the standards of 20 years ago it's not particularly stealthy and isn't really trying to be despite how the ru MOD markets it.
Nobody has published ther RCS "numbers": First of all RCS is not a number, but a spectrum that changes with the attitude of the plane. Secondly RCS is top secret for all planes, even non-stealth oenes. Let alone most modern stealth planes. So ALL the talk about RCS this and that is pure speculation. The ONLY thing that can be said for certain is that USAF uses much more expensive RAM coating in the F35 (and to extent in F22), but that RAM coating has also drawbacks like being very averse to rain and does not work as well against large waveband radars.
@@CloneDAnon thanks I wondered where people were getting this idea from. seems like pure propaganda.
Su-57 may have a frontal radar cross-section against airborne radars similar to a B-2 stealth bomber or 4th gen Gripen C jet fighter in a clean configuration (0,1m2) but Su-57 will have a much lower side profile than Gripen and its detectability would be further lowered one way or another due to a rather comprehensive jamming suite utilizing multiple radar arrays. In fact, as far as I know, no Western fighter is comparable in this regard, not even dedicated US "jamming" planes like Growler, not to mention that just flying low will make you invisible to the ground radars of most nations unless you got some early warning radar in high altitude, and even airborne radar has reduced detection range against low flying jets due to ground clutter.
So, all this trashing troll talk about the incompetence of the Russian aerospace industry is rather pointless. In all seriousness, the Su-57 can have the potential to be superior to the F-35 or even F/A-22 in direct AA combat due to its kinematic performance with new engines, multispectral sensors, and active radar/IR missile jamming because producing 5th gen air superiority jet fighter not capable doing so 20 years after the introduction of 5th gen jets of opposition would make little sense, especially when Mig 1.42/1.44 5th gen project was canceled as likely not good enough but due to lack of new missiles, questionable training, and overall lack of resources to get the most from their Russian tech, you can see how Su-57 can end when you look how Mig-29 performed with the underfunded armies of Middle East using export models with short-range missiles, and how Mig-29 performed in Ukraine, where it's flying to this day despite Russians operate arguably superior jets. These are among the reasons why Russia will not be in a hurry to send their newest tech into harm's way, not like there is a need for that against what Ukraine has...
@@ShortSpanChannel Yeah its pointlesss because Russia has only 4 planes big oof for midget vlad
08:20 that engine sure looks healthy!
I thought everyone knew by now that the SU-57 and SU-75 are both Potemkins
The old saying “It’s impossible for America to take out a squadron of Russian SU-57s……because Russia doesn’t have a squadron of SU-57s”
SU 57 is a stealth fighter only in Russian dreams 😂
the Su-57 at ~1m2 Radar Cross Section isn’t really stealth, arguably just “low observable”, it’s an artisanal production line, no 2 aircraft are identical and don’t have the exact same spec
Have yourself a Happy New Year Covert Cabal. Hope we both will celebrate this event for a many years to boot. Peace vf
Same reason they are not using the T-14: afraid that they will be made to look bad to potential customers.
You mean semi stealth Russia doesn't have any true stealth aircraft
1:10. Thanks to War Thunder leaks, we know it to have a radar cross section somewhat lower than a Tomahawk cruise misisle.
Stealthier than gen 4/4.5 aircraft, but nothing compared to Western 5th gen platforms, which can place the Su-57 in the NEZ without being detected.
Thumbs up for using CMO, my favorite simulation!
Does the irregular flame pattern visible at 8:08 indicate poor engine performance? It occurs in only the port side engine.
They're SO stealthy, even the Russian pilots can't find them.
That's actually pretty good 🤣
Yup, there were 2 squadrons of them on the tarmac in the first satellite 🛰 photo. Russian stealth is awesome!
The answer is obvious. It’s not a 5th gen fighter; it is not stealth; and it can be detected, tracked and targeted. Russia knows if it uses the Su-57 Ukraine it will get shot down, and that will be a huge embarrassment.
i like the no bias of this channel, TY
Because the SU-57 exists primarily in Tom Clancy novels…
You spelled F22 wrong.
@@Pope-enhiemer F-22s actually exist.
@@rick7424 the SU-57 is actually being used in combat. The F-22 was canceled and they're rushing to fill the gap with the F-15EX but I'm sure you'll parrot the USAF line of "it's too good; which is why we have to replace it with an older design until we can get something better"
Tom Clancy never wrote about the SU-57, and no the last one was 2003's Teeth of the Tiger, the 5 that followed were co written in part, mostly or in whole by other authors. All Tom Clancy books after 2013 were written by other Authors
bro f22 is actually good, its being replaced because its expensive AF to mass produce unlike the f16 f15@@Pope-enhiemer
I’m willing to bet $1000 that 3/4 of the equipment in the SU-57 was purchased from the USA on sale.
So don’t think that just because it looks like a fifth-generation fighter, that’s what it is.
The remaining 1/4 came from Aliexpress.
Do you have any idea who invented that stealth tecnology?
Ukrainians look at captured or downed russian missiles and other hardware all the time and turns out only 10% of the stuff inside is made in Russia. Most of it comes from the USA, Germany, France, and China.
Because they don't have enough to make a difference. 20 - T-14 Armata tanks aren't going to change their fortunes. 22- Su-57s aren't going to make a difference. Plus, if they perform badly, they lose export market. There's no upside and a lot of downside. Also, as an old-guy, I have lived with 5 decades of 'great Soviet/Russian equipment' that, in truth, was all substandard.
Like f35 if detected it will lose export thats why nato f35 never comes close to Air defence sites
@@MICLakVERNo? It doesn’t because no country with F-35s are fighting near peer forces
@@icantcomeupwithagoodusername24 but can supply f35 like f16 to ukrain
@@MICLakVER oh we could do that, sure... but no-one wants to.
that's why ukraine is fighting with the old stuff nato had lying around, countries all over are replacing their f16s with 35s, so there are plenty of 16s to send to ukraine.
frankly i'd prefer to just send the us navy's nearest airwing in to clear the skies for 'em, but i don't get a say in that so putler gets to play his 'great power' roleplay a while longer.
Honestly the silliest question, su-57 still in development - what a shocking revelation. Waiting for the next video with the question why Europe can't develop it's own 5th gen aircraft and have to rely on US.
They’re so stealthy the pilots can’t find them?
About as good as the t14 a tank with armor equivalent to a t72 but propaganda says over 1000mm rha equivalent protection however you can see in the videos of the tank it's pretty thin from los thickness and the weight looking at the inside in the driving video and then using measurements it dosnt look anywhere near 1000 mm rha and it's another tin can t series..you give up a lot of armor for a 40-50 ton tank.
That's impossible to tell because you don't know how effective the armour is unless you have shot it. But yes. I doubt the T14 is anything like they say it is.
Good, simple explanation of a very complicated topic. Thumbs up!
Russia actually *is* using Su-57s in Ukraine, a lot of them. But you can't see them, because it's stealthy ; )
Su-57s are not only stealthy in the radio band, but also in the optical band of the electromagnetic spectrum. Not a single camera (or person) has been able to see one in battle!
They have mastered the art of invisibility!😂
I don't think they have a full squadron. Kinda hard to employ something that doesn't exist. Russia has SU-34 for the bomber role, and that's what they're using. Four shot down last week illustrates exactly what is being employed.
of course you have proof of the 4 that got shot down. obviously not making up a number out of saluzhny's ass.
They don't use them because 1. there aren't enough of them to risk, 2. they aren't stealth, 3. there's nothing they can do that an SU-35 can't do, and 4. they're more useful as a boogey man than they would be on the front lines as a result of all of this.
Thank you. Always well researched and professionally presented. Happy New Year!
From what I understand about stealth, the SU57 Does not compare to the F22 for the F35 when it comes to stealth. In fact, countries who were interested in the SU57 backed off and canceled orders for them, must be a reason.
"From what I understand about stealth"
Which is apparently nothing.
"the SU57 Does not compare to the F22 for the F35 when it comes to stealth."
And where did you get that delusion from?
Oh, i know, you can't read! You're incapable of understanding that minimal RCS is different from AVERAGE RCS.
Average RCS is used by Russia, it includes RCS from ALL ANGLES. It gives a REALISTIC estimate of RCS.
USA throws around MINIMAL RCS numbers, which is only real when keeping perfect nose on towards ALL sensors, which NEVER happens.
"In fact, countries who were interested in the SU57 backed off and canceled orders for them, must be a reason."
Countries? There was India.
And India did not primarily want the Su-57. They wanted the engine.
But the engine ended up taking twice as long to develop as the rest of the aircraft. So Russia put another engine in the Su-57.
And last year, the first Su-57M, with the originally intended engine, first flew.
India also realised how expensive even Russianmade stealth was, and concluded that they could not realistically afford more than a token number.
@@DIREWOLFx75A token number of su-57s equivalent to zero.
The reason why countries don't buy from Russia is because of this
Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act. But some still buy from Russia and give a finger to usa like India.
@DIREWOLFx75 Boy, got your panties in a wad! Now, I didn't say the SU57 was a bad aircraft. Because it's not, it doesn't compare to the stealth of the F-22 or the F-35, It's a proven fact. The cross section of the SU57 is much bigger than the rest of them. Fighter jet technology has come a long way. The days of the close-range fighting could be over for the simple fact of how much these aircraft cost these aircraft cost. India was very interested in the SU57, but then they backed out, just gotta be a reason. I'm not a big fan of the F-35, for the simple fact of the cost of this aircraft is ridiculous. It's over engineered.
@@johnroof2663 "it doesn't compare to the stealth of the F-22 or the F-35, It's a proven fact. The cross section of the SU57 is much bigger than the rest of them."
AVERAGE RCS is what Russia talks about.
MINIMAL RCS is what USA talks about.
Go back to school, learn to read.
The Russian RCS looks much larger because it includes top down and bottom up, which means over 50 sqm of wing area.
It includes from the absolute worst rear and side angles.
Unlike the BS numbers USA throws around.
"India was very interested in the SU57, but then they backed out, just gotta be a reason."
Yes, they couldn't afford it for now. And Russia's R&D of the engine for it was the thing India REALLY wanted, and it got delayed.
But India is now making big noises about Su-75 instead, which will be much cheaper and still use the engine they originally wanted.
The fact that nobody want to buy this plane in a market that stealth is in hot demand speak volumes.
Meanwhile, my country has replaced their entire airforce with F-35 and given our F-16s to Ukraine.
Private Kovalenko, i didn't saw you on the camo training this morning!
- Thank you, sir!
does russian equipment have any reputation left? like what do they have to loose, seems like if they could they would use it.
Excellent, non-biased video.
Absolutely they have been using them. More than enough documentation.
Don't forget that the second most powerful air force in the world is not the Russian Air Force, it's the US Navy
Before the war in Ukraine I wouldn’t have believed that. Now I do.
@@mikoto7693 Before the war in Ukraine, you didn't know how to count?
@@ixnorp4270 🤣 What on earth led you to that conclusion? Before Ukraine was invaded I believed the propaganda and that Russia had the second most powerful military in the world. Their awful performance in Ukraine has shown me otherwise.
I have no idea how you reached the conclusion that I couldn’t count.
@@mikoto7693 Propaganda put out by either Russia or the US doesn't matter - it is the actual numbers that matter. Before the war in Ukraine, all you had to do was add up the planes that the Russian air force has, and then add up the number of planes the US navy has, compared the two, and you would believe what @Nathan-Roman stated. It's simple math that a grade-schooler could have figured out.
If Russia wants to finish this war early it can use long range supersonic/hypersonic missiles which has proven track record with saturation attack.
The first production model crashed 😂
That bodes well for how reliable and the quality of them!
The first and only 5th generation cardboard plane in the world.
It is just ..... veeeeeeery stealthy!
Im fairly doubtful that they didn't have glide bombs and had to improvise them - Im curious how did you arrived to that conclusion. From what I know they've been using glide bombs pretty extensively in the past, even as recently as Syria.
I think he just assumed it based on how clunky they look, and their habit of falling off aircraft in flight due to overloading the hard points due to their additional weight. FAB 500's been around since the 1950's.
You are correct. They were developed in 2000 and displayed in a 2003 airshow. They have been used in Syria.
Topic thats often ignored is the engines , those are not purpose built fifth gen engines with super-cruise like the F-35 ,its new-old SU-27 engines with a miles long black smoke trail in true Russian fashion baby )
😂 sorces cnn bbc and brain washed boy
Great Video!
I am not an Airplane Expert, so excuse me for asking a silly question:
At the 7:01 mark, how can you tell that those planes are NOT SU-57s?
They're the wrong shape, that's really all there is to it
The major mistake made in talking about radars detecting the fighters was combining two actions: "detection + shooting at the aircraft". From my numerous experience of watching videos about "stealthy aircraft" I've learned that most of them can be detected at one point or another, but locking on them and shooting them down is waaaaaay much harder if possible at all. This requires a combination of radars of different wavelength and even then it does not guarantee that the anti-radar missile won't be the first one to get to the target 🙌
The SU-57 is actually a set of luxury yachts currently harbored in Dubai.
Russia is amazing at creating parade floats like the Armata. Period. End of discussion.
Yes, Russia isn't great at creating something that can be shown off at parades. But: Sarmat is real and proved it's characteristics (US still uses ancient Minutemen that constantly fail to even launch), so does Kinzhal missile (US hypersonic air launched missile program has been closed recently), Poseidon is just as real as everything before, A-135/235 anti-satellite missile was successfully tested as well (US only has some old missile that requires a plane to get it up to speed and altitude). And all of that for a fraction of US insane military budget.
Try looking in foreign manors of Putin, Miller, Sechin, Abramovich, Shoigu etc.
strapping a bomb outside a stealth aircraft makes the stealth pointless because the bombs will show up on the radar, so no point using stealth aircraft.
"Why Russia Isn't Using Stealth Su-57s"
Except that they've been part of operations against Ukraine since summer 2022. Already over a year ago, the Russian MoD stated officially that they had performed above expectations.
Or do you want to explain how the 8 first Su-57 pilots, 7 have made ace, and 1 have made double ace, from shooting down Ukraine aircrafts...
"But With Russia losing several aircraft in Ukraine lately"
You mean the ones Ukraine claimed and which was then debunked?
Russia lost 1 aircraft and initial information says it was a weatherkill, ie unexpectedly severe icing.
"How Many They Actually Have"
They have 12-20 operational, another 7 prototypes and up to another 8 conducting acceptance trials.
Russia has a very long history of 'tall telling' about their military arsenal. Therefore, their SU 57 has to be one of those "Paper Tiger."
it has to, yes. because you want it to.
No, it is because there are historical facts such as the USSR Foxbat for instance.@@tunisiandom9318
How long is that story and what it includes?
Russia doesn’t need to deploy Su 57 in Ukraine because there is not Ukrainian Air Force any more.
Not entirely true. Ukraine still has a number of their aircraft they just dont use them that often. A Ukrainian airforce jet although we are unsure of the model was reportedly used to launch the stormshadow that sunk the Novocherkassk so they still have a few aircraft that they are using sparingly. They are also set to gain western f16s in the coming days with people speculating they may already be flying due to the loss of 4 russian su34s in the past week or so. However what effect they will have and wether it was f16s or more likely a patriot system that downed the russian aircraft is yet to be seen
Mercenaries and volunteers cannot use such equipment, only if the army participates, then we can see it in action!
Also, any reason to use it? Any (meaningful) reason at all to supply the mercs and volunteers with any other equipment than what they currently supply?
This is just like when they would drive around the block during a parade and paint another higher number on it when no one was looking. They decided to blur out the numbers here because it's easier than repainting over the old ones.
Meanwhile Russia destroyed an air defense system yesterday.
Meanwhile I went on a 3 day sexcapade with a supermodel. Hey, making shit up is fun ands easy! /s
The answer is very simple. It's not economically viable to use one small fighter to launch missile, when you can use strategic bomber with 6 times of armaments that Su-57 is capable to fit will less fuel consumption and less expenditure for logistics. You don't really need to waste 10 minutes of your life to understand that. War is defined by economy and logistics. It would be stupid to use Su-57 when it's not needed to be used at all. They only used it early war as Ukraine is a very nice testing ground. Russians are extremely pragmatic people. They won't use Su-57 when there is virtually no need to use it. They don't do these sort of things for PR stunts. They win wars decisively at any cost. Ask Germans about it whenever they see T-34 tank in Berlin watching at them from memorial. Quite sobering experience they say.
The current accepted RCS head-on is 1 sq m, about the same as a F18 Super Hornet.
That was never stated or accepted. The official patent states .1-1 average RCS. Simulations typically show around .4.
All of these figures are without RAM.
@@voidtempering8700 Because we know Russian NEVER overstate their numbers! It doesn't matter what the patent says, it the ACTUAL RCS and that has been recorded with many radars now! Yeah, Russia is the 2nd most powerful army in the ... Ukraine!
@@charlesrichardson8635 Why are you making things up now. It hasn't been recorded by any radar. Also, provide proof for why we cannot trust Russian parents? Name a single instance technical I formation was fabricated about a vehicle or platform.
It'll show up on the battlefield when Russia sends in its first string military which they've been holding in reserve once the real war starts... Any day now... Any day now!
Seriously, if it's a 7th Gen stealth fighter jet built entirely with Russian technology, my guess is it doesn't fly more than twice before it starts to fall apart.
there 300 thousand Ukrainian occupiers have already died, stop lying on the couch and talking.
@@alexalex-v2s do you mean 360k dead Russian invaders? You can see the attack waves of dead Russians day in day out for a couple meters of ground each day. Ukraine has maybe 100k total casualties to Russia's 1 million total casualties.
Stealth aircraft can be detected and tracked by other types of radar, which allow defenses to selectively activate their radars. It's doctrine not to leave the S300 radar on all the time, so using other systems to direct the air defense systems allow much better SAM cover without being as susceptible to anti-radiation missiles. The shear number of radars in Ukraine right now is why you don't see SU-57's trying their luck.
So the exact scenario that stealth aircraft are built for are too dangerous for Russia’s SU-57.
@@Jab_Air no, there's a reason they don't send the F-35 to countries that purchase S-400 systems. when there are enough radar systems communicating, there becomes no aircraft that is safe.
@@FM4AMGV
They didn't send F-35 to Turkey, but Syria also has S-400 and is being bombed by F-35. So what gives?
@@موسى_7 Where are you getting your info? I see nothing about Syria having the S400. They have the S300 which has shown itself to be a bit limp in the phallic object department when pitted against more curent Western tech. The Felon, the T14 and the S400, they seem to be just boogie men to keep the Generals awake at night.
My guess at the start of the video is secrecy, even a stealth fighter has a radar signature if they would use them in a war against a country that cooperates with NATO, their radar signature would be determined and make it easier for western countries to fight SU-57 in later conflicts
“Trust us, bro - our planes work.”
This plane is not stealth 😂, flaw in design, like Lada cars …
Russia flew them over Ukrainian territory over a year ago using their 5 ASEA radars as mini AWACS to scan for Ukrainian aircraft and UAVs, but it was probably deemed an unnecessary risk against a country with less than ten serviceable aircraft, Especially when the SU-35s is more than capable of targeting anything that Ukraine has currently or projected including pre owned F-16s if they ever see service with rookie pilots.
Thanks, always great content.
7:23... Little did they know that two seconds after the photo was taken, they were also photographed from the sky... The aircraft has just rolled a few meters extra before the satellite picture was taken.
Bullshit anslysis. Definitely pro ukraine.
Agreed, even don't have to watch the entire video to know.
Video game statistics
SU-57, aka the Flying Armata
The funny thing is that Russia's 4th gen fighters are being shot down as much by their own air defence as they are by Ukraine.