Thanks for watching, I put a stupid amount of time into this vid so I hope it shows. Please sub and all that if you enjoyed. (Also about the GTA 4 posters, my point was that ingame they look so different from the adverts that they might as well be different people. Like Gravelli's ingame model doesn't even have legs lol) Playlist of my GTA videos: ua-cam.com/play/PLby1udQYSkC8bcSy-Z1zyXkqTN-Eb_bSO.html
Saints row 2 was my favorite and saints row 3 was the last one I liked I dident care for saints 4 get out of hell or the other dlc for that game where u were the president lol
There was a developer at Volition who wanted to fix the PC port of Saints Row 2 but unfortunately he died of cancer if I remember correctly. We were ALMOST there
To top it all off, one member of his crew was underqualified for the work and basically lied about his experience, so barely any work was done if I'm not wrong.
In the end, the achieved the goal. They are different. GTA is good, alive, and loved by its players, saints row sucked, dead, and hated by its players.
I love to play GTA for it's gameplay and radio stations but idk, I've never found the satire that funny, not as an adult at least. Saints Row in comparison liked to develop it's characters who lived in a wacky world, helped by it not using the anthology format of GTA so they could grow over the years. There was satire but it usually wasn't jaded or too cynical. GTA 5 had the worse attempts at satire in my opinion for how forced and intrusive it was. It's unsubtle, unconstrunctive, and tends to come off as whinny to me, especially when they make characters that are a personified criticisms or stereotypes. I HATED Michael's entire family. The game gave me absolutely no reason to care about them. Jimmy was just "gamers are obnoxious" Tracey was "bratty girls are obnoxious" Amanda was "wives are obnoxious." The game is always like "Hey, isn't [_] stupid and annoying, here's a character who exists just to show that!" The reason Red Dead Redemption is my favorite Rockstar game series isn't just for gameplay but because the protagonist and NPCs are much more fleshed out and exist separately than just lampooning American culture. Abigail isn't a sexist caricature of a late 1800s/early 1900s woman but has actual importance by being part of John's conscience. Swanson wasn't just a slapstick comic relief drunk and his alcoholism was played for drama. I do love GTA and I'm gonna grab VI as soon as it's available but I'm hoping they do dial it back slightly and try to make the characters a bit more fun to be around. Hopefully not like Saints Row Reboot where the gang are an unbearably cringe group of buddies who always get along but just develop characters the player could get attached to even with unlikable traits. Edit: Sorry for making this so long. Time escaped me.
I always thought the gta games dialed up the absurdity too much. Like CJ talking about how corrupt the cops are for framing him for a murder he didnt commit. But then he kills like 10 people every day. I was actually hoping red dead 2 would be more serious. Maybe it is a little bit, but it still has that absurdist tone.
Saints Row 3 is one of my all time favourite gaming memories. My life was trash, I was smoking waaaay too much, but this game was my only relief from living in a nightmare. I'm sad it's over, but happy my life is better now.
I was growing up in a mentally abusive household, saints row 3 was a good break from it all, giving me a somewhat serious but funny game to play, 4 did too but it never felt right
@ I’m sorry to hear you went through that kind of experience and I hope life has treated you better since then. I agree though 4 just didn’t hit the same.
apparently, the SR reboot WAS supposed to return to the gangster roots of the series, but Deep Silver forced Volition to make the game into what it is today i really wish i could have seen the original vision for the reboot
You probably know this already, but Mrsaintsgodzilla21 is currently making a video about all that behind the scenes NDA stuff. It'll probably be the clearest vision we'll get about what the reboot was originally meant to be and what exactly went wrong with it.
@@haku_haku_haku i can't wait and really need to check it out since the deep silver thing sounds like if they are big GTA Fans and wanted Saints Row to fail, but at the same time it was said that they are reason too why Payday3 ended up bad
Saints Row 2 was so good, the greatest one in the series. I even love GTA 4 and still think SR2 is only slightly below GTA 4. if GTA 4 was a 10/10 I would give SR2 a 9/10. the third one was actually relatively ok for what it was. then the 4th one was just terrible and became way too cartoony
i’ll never forget playing Saints Row 1 & 3 with my sister far too young to understand the storytelling but just having a blast with the soundtracks and gameplay. R.I.P Saints Row
@@haku_haku_haku well for me it more weird bc i played SR2 first, second was SR4 ( but it was my dad who bought it for me at launch, cuz he saw me playing SR2, thinking it was SR3....), but then i bought SR3 to understand the story. later on i bought back SR2,3,4 with all dlc including Gat out of hell on PC, never found SR 1 for xbox 360 anywhere and i didn't know i could buy it on the xbox store until microsoft close the online store. and the reboot...... i agree fun mechanic with the gun and other stuff, the map was awesome, the empire system was great, but the story and your gang from wish was so bad like it was a poor sitcom and felt like it was made by Ai, so i never finish it plus all the bug.
Agreed did not know the company went under but not surprised given how bad the Saints were reboot was that was his chance to get their shit together and instead it led to their destruction
"I've never seen a company make so many stupid decisions, and still get so many second chances. All the while refusing to learn anything from their mistakes, or listen to their fans." *Bathesda has entered the chat*
Saints Row 2, despite being humorous at times, was still grounded enough to be taken seriously. Getting bigger and growing your empire actually felt like an achievement. Saints Row 3 was so wild that it almost felt like nothing you do matters, it's all a big crazy circus.
Saints Row 2 felt real with crazy stuff thrown in. Once Saints Row 3 came out, every single thing became a punch line. I still had fun with 3 and 4 but it was a different franchise
Competition is important. Now such competition no longer exists, Rockstar knows for sure that they can just sit on their asses all day while letting the GTA online money flow in.
Without competition, Rockstar can let their games slowly simmer and cook without being disturbed resulting in a better product than when they had competition. Why'd you think Rockstar's best games were after the eliminated the competition?
@@staringcorgi6475 I meant competition that is big enough to actually count as a competitor. Ones that are big enough to actually threaten the profits of GTA.
its crazy in these days that if you make one flop your publisher will just shut your whole studio down. This is why AAA games are no longer the ones pushing for innovation and are all just stale re-hash, reboots, or sequels. Indie games went from "hey remember that old game you used to love well here it is again" to the peak of new and interesting gameplay while AAA has gone the complete opposite direction.
I lowkey always felt like Rockstar paid Volition to take Saints Row sideways, they were literally killing it than switched up so much it never made sense to me
Part of me feels like that could be plausible but deep down. They made nearly billons with gta 5 so doubtful that could be it. Why do that when you know your competition fuck up on its own?
@@thrashertrash7331 that’s true but it was crazy that Saints could even compete with a juggernaut like GTA at any level at all. It was basically the closest thing it ever got to a rival.
"in Saints Row you can throw people off a bridge, in GTA IV the main character wants to throw himself off a bridge" it hurts how accurate this is.. but you are wrong about "this guy wasn't in the game" that's Mikhail Faustin!
The saddest part about this is not even a month ago I was taking with my brother about how they should make a new saints row games because I honestly missed them 😭 we was thinking the same shit too. Come to find out they made one in 2022 and I never even knew because it was that bad.. sad days lol
Iirc the idea for original Saints Row 5 was to go back to a more serious story, akin to GTA IV. Instead, we got a circus. Saints Row 2 was an amazing mix between serious (*) story and fun gameplay.
definitely had to throw the asterisk on serious😂 the game was definitely over the top and wacky, but grounded at the same time. it felt like it was barely sticking to the ground, and that was the fun. then saints row 3 just flew off the ground and forgot about being grounded at all
Hate to be that guy, since Driver 2 was my introduction in the sandbox genre and I loved it, but... Yeah, Rockstar did considered Driver kind of a joke. There were jabs towards the franchise in Vice City and San Andreas.
He just pronounces it wrong. It's CH at the end, noch CK. I mean fair enough that he did it wrong, I can't think of an example in the english language for how to pronounce it either, but it's not even close to cock like he said it
They actually had to change their name because people kept saying it wrong lmao: www.pcgamer.com/koch-media-got-so-sick-of-the-jokes-its-changed-its-name/ www.ign.com/articles/publisher-koch-media-changes-name-plaion (less memey article)
True story, I dated a guy whose college professor worked on SR 3 and 4. He said that he used to talk about how much of a mess the development was and how it is a masterclass in how NOT to produce a commercially successful product.
What made saints row 2 even more better was GTA4 you couldn't do alot of stuff that you could do in San Andreas like buying multiple houses and apartments, customizing cars, and limited our clothes customization etc. RIP Saints row
Watch dogs first and second was perfect, but again giant game company forgot to listend to the consumer so they decide what best for the fans...... LOOK ANOTHER AC or FC.....
Why tf would they even bother? Not defending or glazing rockstar but had the new saints row been good their game ain’t going anywhere near gta 6 level hype people are buying that more sounds pointless
Gta was out selling SR by a lot more, SR wasn't really GTA competition. Rock star didn't need to pay off anyone, SR was just not good enough and then destroyed themselves.
After the failure that was the reboot it isn't happening It's pretty well all but confirmed that saints row as an IP is dead Saints row 3, 4 and the reboot just weren't true to what saints row should have been about and there's no real major desire for it anymore
I felt the same man I remember I always wore a purple beanie in his memory lol. I think the Devs said that they regretted putting it in the game which is crazy to me because it builds up the antagonists and the player's desire for revenge which is really important to keep you invested.
Fun fact sr1 was originally going to be released on the ps3 in 2007 and it was fully complete but volition scrapped it in order to focus on developing sr2 for the console
Yeah it's definitely them. My point was rather than Roman, Dimitri or someone really recognisable they put random side characters in the wrong outfits just to mess with people trying to buy the game lol
I loved Saints Row because how gritty, how raw it was. As players, we may harbor for the characters in the game, but we also get to see their horrible deaths because of the lifestyle they’ve chosen to live. Carlos’ death still haunts me to this day. Edit: And as a player who enjoyed both of the franchises (although I only played SR2 and SR3), I have to admit this one thing. These games are only called “GTA Clone” due to the “open world do whatever you want” type of aspect. SR franchise only focused on Playa while GTA has showcased many other periods with different characters (sometimes), such as the dark era of 90’s, the colorful era of 80’s and the golden age of hiphop and one of the worst periods of the human life, crack c*caine epidemic.
I actually liked SR 2 BETTER than GTA IV! I still messes around that game time to time. Sad to see the entire series is now nothing more than a memory.
13:32 the last thing I want in a video game about crime is to play has a university student that has to pay student loans. Saints row 2 had wacky side activities and was fun but the atmosphere was nailed and with good story , believable characters that actually feel like they are part of a criminal organization.
Man.... Saints Row 2 was my favourite story for a game like these... that one mission, the one where they drag Carlos around chained to the back of the car... man that still hurts my heart
I was a huge fan of the first and second installment. SR1 is one of my favorite and most memorable games of all time. (Who remembers protect the pimp?) It's incredibly sad to see what happened to the series.
if they didn't let "GTA Clone" get to their head we would've been on the good timeline, I never hear "it's a COD Clone" with a random fps (unless it literally is)
@@davisfromthehills7521yeah, SR4 was for Real the down fall, i can understand that some people don't like SR3 because we are more a Organisation than a gang but everything after that was just bad except the never finished game SR money shot since it actually was interesting
Yeah GTA 4 was better than GTA 5 and I think Saint Row 1 & 2 were the best ones went down hill after that. But Red Dead 2 the story is amazing but online is shit and I hope GTA 6 is gonna have a good story!
I've played both Saints Row 3 and GTA 4. I feel GTA 4 is more serious and more resource intensive. Sains Row 3 runs well on my Intel HD Graphics which is present on my Thinkpad Laptop and Thinkcentre Mini PC. For GTA 4, I play the game on a Dell Precision Workstation with Nvidia GTX GPU. The driving experience in GTA 4 is more realistic in contrast to Saints Row 3.
Saints Row 2 was a stand alone legendary game for me. It was the trailer you briefly show at 1:44 that convinced me to buy Saints Row 2 all those years ago when it was a new game. I was very excited for Saints Row 3 when it was announced, and it had some pretty cool stuff about it. But I hated the change of scenery and the lack of Gat. Shaundi just got super hot, and things got even sweeter. But it lacked the crazy substance and beautiful storyline that Saints Row 2 had. The gangs of Saints Row 3 were kinda cringe, and couldn't be taken seriously. Compare that to Mr Sunshine, Jyunichi, Kazuo, Shogo, The General and Maero. It was through Saints Row 2 that I discovered Panic! At The Disco, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Deftones and so many other awesome songs and bands. The zombies in the abandoned underground place. The UFOs. The easter eggs. The unique safehouses and customization of them. It was the closest thing to perfect. I can't even think of anything bad about it. But disappointment hit very fast when Saints Row 3 got to the second mission. Things were being TAKEN AWAY, not worked towards.
Personally, I loved Saint's Row IV, but it's just a huge mess on 3rd generation consoles like the PS3. The superpowers also took away the fun part about vehicles: their functionality and customization. There was really no point in driving vehicles unless you're platinum trophy grinding like I was because you could just outrun the cars anyway.
I once sat in a Costco food court next to a Volition dev who worked on Saints Row (the 2022 one), and we organically struck up a convo "where are you from? Me? Here in [wouldn't be hard to figure out the town but I'm not volunteering it]! What do you do?", etc. I told him how great some of the games were and how cool I thought it was that he has that opportunity and asked him what kind of work he did on this specific Saints Row game (because i didn't want to offend him by asking him the next question if i didn't need to...) and he said "I'm the guy who does the menu and credits UI's." I said "ok, so none of the decisions made about the rest of the game, right?" He said "noooo. Nope, nope. So it's not my fault it's so bad! The UI looks goooOOOoood!" and we laughed and laughed and laughed. It wasn't extremely uncomfortable at all.
EVERYONE was GTA's RIVAL, in the times of GTA 4 and 5 EVERYONE was making open world car stealing shooting game. But NOONE went the extra mile to make them as good as GTA.
If they were to kept more feeling like a Midwest Looney Tunes style of GTA instead going to science fiction then to college kids that can't shut up about college loan debt
11:40 don't let this guy fool you it was that bad me and my friends wanted that game bad I saw the writing on the wall realized it was going to be trash but my friend doesn't pay attention to trailers and he left it in his cart by mistake and bought it with another game played it and couldn't even get past the tutorial I sat there watching through the share screen the game constantly crashed literally could not get passed the section where you quit being a part of that paramilitary job the shooting was wonky and you could stand writing from the hostile NPCs in they would not attack you all and if they fixed any of that but it was horrible
GTA never really had a rival. From VC onwoards it became and stayed way bigger than any other game that could be compared to it in terms of vibe, style and diversity.
i remember the day i pre-ordered saints row IV, only to launch it and realise that it's just a wacky game that was supposed to be a dlc for III... ironically, there are quite a lot of improvements in IV, like better customisation options in Rim Jobs, just that you wouldn't know about them because you have super powers and stuff, what a wreck
Wow, I thought this channel had like 600k subs or a million or so, but to my surprise as I thought of subscribing after watching the video…. It’s ONLY FREAKING 6K !? Well…. I subscribed.
I was a bartender in Champaign in the early 2000s. I was generally stuck working dead Monday nights along with a couple of waitresses. On occasion the Volition crew would come in and drop a few grand on the company credit card. I'd make 300 bucks plus in tips that night - unheard of on a Monday. And the rest of the bartenders were a bit peeved that I was making that much on what everyone knew was a garbage shift.
Fantastic video, I've played all the games except for the reboot and there really was a big divide between the first two games and The Third, I actually enjoyed the games up until Gat out of Hell quite a lot but the way the story went after SR2 always left a lot to be desired. I would've played the reboot but after seeing the trailer I knew it would be terrible. Regarding story and characters, they could never live up to SR2.
Saints row 2 is so iconic to me that each time someone mentions the game, I always remember the scene with gat at the cemetery saying " get up ", it is so fucking cool. Of everything i have played during these years nothing has come close to it, its just that good for me.
the Mafia franchise still has the potential to rival GTA games especially with Mafia 4 or any future Mafia games. Too bad the separate story+freeroam and lackluster open world takes away most of the "good" things that people want in an open world game that is similar to GTA. But seeing the franchise's potential, I still have hope that one day they'll gather up enough resources (budget + talent) to one day make as good of an open world experience as any gta games. (hope being the keyword here.)
SR3 was really the beginning of the end for the series, sure it was fun but it had very little to do with the previous titles other than name alone. The characters were completely different, the boss's personality was so generic and lifeless. SR2 really was the peak it the series
And the biggest culprit of this downfall not only the mismanagement at Volition but primarily with Deep Silver and them wanting to sanitize the series.
@@senpaigoku1496 I still had more fun playing Saint Row 2 then any GTA game and I love San Andreas when I was younger and my fav GTA is GTA 4 had a lot of fun on that game too but still prefer Saints Row 2. You say it’s a knock off but you customise your character and your gang and ring Zombie Carlos and got more respect if you wore purple clothes just little things like that is what separates it from GTA you numpty
Having never played the SR3 remastered version as I was told it was terrible, seeing all the less stylised characters in the remastered footage you showed really threw me off, lol.
Gta 6 is headed the same direction woke garbage with a dei protagonist Btw 2008 was the greatest year for video games ever it’s not even close!!!!!!!!!! Gta 4 Saints row 2 fallout 3 left 4 dead call of duty waw Super smash bros brawl Mario kart wii Fable 2 I could keep going all day
"Dei protagonist" How in the hell is Lucia a dei protagonist when she's a light skinned woman with a heterosexual partner? Playing as a woman isn't DEI, it becomes DEI when the main characteristics of said playable characteristics are purely about gender, sexuality etc You're just mad because despite the potential of Jason and Lucia, you don't like the idea of playing as a woman who isn't even within the definition of DEI
Enough time has passed to where people are looking at GTA 4 with rose colored glasses and ignoring why it had the reception it had in the first place. In the quest for "realism" rockstar dialed back the fun factor. The main story missions, with very few exceptions, were flat out boring. Saints Row 2 got attention at the time because it was delivering what alot of people wanted from GTA that was simply absent in 4.
Might be unpopular but I honestly would have embraced the “GTA clone” moniker if I were the developers and used it to challenge gameplay aspects as well as features included in gta. The bones were there in SR2, all they had to do was polish up the game and add some of the features that SR3 introduced. They tried so hard to distinguish themselves that they ended up killing the franchise.
Hot take but I actually enjoyed playing saints row 2022 mainly the open world the customization the gameplay but the story and the new characters suck that’s one thing I hate about but everything else I enjoyed Even though I like saints row 2 way more than 2022 game
I absolutely agree. I really enjoyed the customization & map of 2022. In my head canon the story doesn’t exist for my characters & just pretend it’s the saints row 2 playa expanding in A new city.
I wouldn't say being woke was actually the issue here otherwise we wouldn't have seen Dragon, Greedfall, Elden Ring, BG and Mass Effect succeed. Only thing remotely woke I remember is that pride flag in that apartment of theirs before they moved to the church
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(Also about the GTA 4 posters, my point was that ingame they look so different from the adverts that they might as well be different people. Like Gravelli's ingame model doesn't even have legs lol)
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Your wrong, we also had mafia
Saints row 2 was my favorite and saints row 3 was the last one I liked I dident care for saints 4 get out of hell or the other dlc for that game where u were the president lol
Looks like it showed! Great video man
It wasn't the Dev's fault for changing and killing Saints Row, it was the GTA SA and GTA VC fanboys...
There was a developer at Volition who wanted to fix the PC port of Saints Row 2 but unfortunately he died of cancer if I remember correctly. We were ALMOST there
To top it all off, one member of his crew was underqualified for the work and basically lied about his experience, so barely any work was done if I'm not wrong.
@@SecretMagician Geez, I didn't know that. What a bummer lol
@@mjstwocents4568 Flippy made a whole video about it if you want further data.
That's sad
It’s the Gentlemen of the Row mod if anybody’s wondering
I’m just sad the saints row series is over 🥲
Same man. It's not impossible for it to come back, but it is extremely unlikely.
Same
Go buy some cod points, that'll cheer your dumbass up
Same, it make me question. Who cloud make Saints Row next?
@@KidneyStealer02 Me
They let being called a gta clone get to them so much that they went way out of their way just to be called different.
So, they're a teenage girl?
@@-landon931lol
In the end, the achieved the goal. They are different. GTA is good, alive, and loved by its players, saints row sucked, dead, and hated by its players.
which isn’t bad. i liked 4
@@TheWaynester101first 3 didn’t suck, just derailed afterwards
“GTA had a serious gritty atmosphere!”
*Shows Lady Liberty holding a coffee cup*
Well, gritty-er than wacky San Andreas.
Which clashed violently with its serious, gritty atmosphere to the point it distract from the game sometimes.
I love to play GTA for it's gameplay and radio stations but idk, I've never found the satire that funny, not as an adult at least. Saints Row in comparison liked to develop it's characters who lived in a wacky world, helped by it not using the anthology format of GTA so they could grow over the years. There was satire but it usually wasn't jaded or too cynical. GTA 5 had the worse attempts at satire in my opinion for how forced and intrusive it was. It's unsubtle, unconstrunctive, and tends to come off as whinny to me, especially when they make characters that are a personified criticisms or stereotypes. I HATED Michael's entire family. The game gave me absolutely no reason to care about them. Jimmy was just "gamers are obnoxious" Tracey was "bratty girls are obnoxious" Amanda was "wives are obnoxious." The game is always like "Hey, isn't [_] stupid and annoying, here's a character who exists just to show that!" The reason Red Dead Redemption is my favorite Rockstar game series isn't just for gameplay but because the protagonist and NPCs are much more fleshed out and exist separately than just lampooning American culture. Abigail isn't a sexist caricature of a late 1800s/early 1900s woman but has actual importance by being part of John's conscience. Swanson wasn't just a slapstick comic relief drunk and his alcoholism was played for drama. I do love GTA and I'm gonna grab VI as soon as it's available but I'm hoping they do dial it back slightly and try to make the characters a bit more fun to be around. Hopefully not like Saints Row Reboot where the gang are an unbearably cringe group of buddies who always get along but just develop characters the player could get attached to even with unlikable traits.
Edit: Sorry for making this so long. Time escaped me.
I always thought the gta games dialed up the absurdity too much. Like CJ talking about how corrupt the cops are for framing him for a murder he didnt commit. But then he kills like 10 people every day. I was actually hoping red dead 2 would be more serious. Maybe it is a little bit, but it still has that absurdist tone.
@@brandonsteele2826red dead has an honour system you cant actually murde people without consequences.
Saints Row 3 is one of my all time favourite gaming memories. My life was trash, I was smoking waaaay too much, but this game was my only relief from living in a nightmare. I'm sad it's over, but happy my life is better now.
I was growing up in a mentally abusive household, saints row 3 was a good break from it all, giving me a somewhat serious but funny game to play, 4 did too but it never felt right
@ I’m sorry to hear you went through that kind of experience and I hope life has treated you better since then. I agree though 4 just didn’t hit the same.
@@GHOSTPRO7089yeah gaming really is a safe space and makes u forget about it all for a moment, glad u made it trough hell
@ oh don’t worry, I moved out the second I graduated, like took a 180
@ gaming has helped many through worse, I’m lucky that moving out at graduation was an option for me
apparently, the SR reboot WAS supposed to return to the gangster roots of the series, but Deep Silver forced Volition to make the game into what it is today
i really wish i could have seen the original vision for the reboot
You probably know this already, but Mrsaintsgodzilla21 is currently making a video about all that behind the scenes NDA stuff. It'll probably be the clearest vision we'll get about what the reboot was originally meant to be and what exactly went wrong with it.
@@haku_haku_haku i can't wait and really need to check it out since the deep silver thing sounds like if they are big GTA Fans and wanted Saints Row to fail, but at the same time it was said that they are reason too why Payday3 ended up bad
@@haku_haku_hakuhes been making this video for more than a year at this point
Saints Row 2 was so good, the greatest one in the series. I even love GTA 4 and still think SR2 is only slightly below GTA 4. if GTA 4 was a 10/10 I would give SR2 a 9/10. the third one was actually relatively ok for what it was. then the 4th one was just terrible and became way too cartoony
Deep silver is trash
i’ll never forget playing Saints Row 1 & 3 with my sister far too young to understand the storytelling but just having a blast with the soundtracks and gameplay. R.I.P Saints Row
hold up you played 1, but then skipped 2 and went onto 3? I've never seen someone do that before lol
@ actually no i played the 2nd game very early, so 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 4th
@@haku_haku_haku well for me it more weird bc i played SR2 first, second was SR4 ( but it was my dad who bought it for me at launch, cuz he saw me playing SR2, thinking it was SR3....), but then i bought SR3 to understand the story. later on i bought back SR2,3,4 with all dlc including Gat out of hell on PC, never found SR 1 for xbox 360 anywhere and i didn't know i could buy it on the xbox store until microsoft close the online store. and the reboot...... i agree fun mechanic with the gun and other stuff, the map was awesome, the empire system was great, but the story and your gang from wish was so bad like it was a poor sitcom and felt like it was made by Ai, so i never finish it plus all the bug.
SR1 AND 2 are the only good ones out of the series. Couldn't even bring myself to beat 3 forget the rest.
Yeah I remember me and my cousins would just play the 3rd for hours lol
Saints Row 1 and 2 were some of my favorite childhood games. Miss them
Agreed did not know the company went under but not surprised given how bad the Saints were reboot was that was his chance to get their shit together and instead it led to their destruction
I loved saints row 1 had a lot of fun
4 was decent
GTAVC was my childhood game. But still, GTA is a cool franchise.
The new Saints row game was a public execution, rip.
Was made by libtard fairy’s
"I've never seen a company make so many stupid decisions, and still get so many second chances. All the while refusing to learn anything from their mistakes, or listen to their fans."
*Bathesda has entered the chat*
Saints Row 2, despite being humorous at times, was still grounded enough to be taken seriously. Getting bigger and growing your empire actually felt like an achievement. Saints Row 3 was so wild that it almost felt like nothing you do matters, it's all a big crazy circus.
Exactly lets not forget that the cartoonish approach they ended up taking was the ending of the series.
this, for me it was like playing Scarface the world is yours all over again.
I like being called out by how I like SR3 because it was my first Saints Row but later realised that 2 is actually batter
FACTS Saints row 2 really my favorite felt like I was getting work done and it was leading to building my business💯
Saints Row 2 felt real with crazy stuff thrown in. Once Saints Row 3 came out, every single thing became a punch line. I still had fun with 3 and 4 but it was a different franchise
Competition is important. Now such competition no longer exists, Rockstar knows for sure that they can just sit on their asses all day while letting the GTA online money flow in.
I'd like a game somewhere in England that's something like gta its also be better if ut was set in like the 60s it'd make it alot more unique
pinned comment worthy take
Without competition, Rockstar can let their games slowly simmer and cook without being disturbed resulting in a better product than when they had competition. Why'd you think Rockstar's best games were after the eliminated the competition?
But competiton to grand theft auto is meaningless when it’ll outsell it anyways
@@staringcorgi6475 I meant competition that is big enough to actually count as a competitor. Ones that are big enough to actually threaten the profits of GTA.
How can you remember gta advanced but not ballad of gay tony?
It's a dlc not a game on it's own
@@Arqade420 tell that to the load screen
@@Arqade420well. Idk episodes from liberty city is its own thing ….
He included lost and dammed tough
@@kanyejones3194 and tlad and ctw came out after gta 4
its crazy in these days that if you make one flop your publisher will just shut your whole studio down. This is why AAA games are no longer the ones pushing for innovation and are all just stale re-hash, reboots, or sequels. Indie games went from "hey remember that old game you used to love well here it is again" to the peak of new and interesting gameplay while AAA has gone the complete opposite direction.
100% Agree with you. Rarely AAA games invent new stuff...Otherwise. Just copy and paste anymore.
GTA games feel like AMC shows. Saint Row games feel like Netflix shows. Mafia games feel like HBO shows.
That's... actually a perfect description
What?
What about sleeping dogs. Could be hulu or crunchyroll
@KLINonskib This entire analogy makes no sense to me.
@KLINonskib100% a Netflix show solid game
I lowkey always felt like Rockstar paid Volition to take Saints Row sideways, they were literally killing it than switched up so much it never made sense to me
I don’t think so
Part of me feels like that could be plausible but deep down. They made nearly billons with gta 5 so doubtful that could be it. Why do that when you know your competition fuck up on its own?
@GivvyOfficial94 exactly what I was thinking too. Rockstar has no competition. It's a no brainer. Saints row is their biggest runner up.
Rockstar made so much money from the GTA games, most especially GTA V. I love Saints Row, but they were hardly a competition for GTA, even with 1 & 2.
@@thrashertrash7331 that’s true but it was crazy that Saints could even compete with a juggernaut like GTA at any level at all. It was basically the closest thing it ever got to a rival.
Not liking gta 4 is crazy
Most gamers were kids when GTA 4 and Saints Row 2 came out. Adult gamers were very small across the region.
GTA 4 is overrated. It was devoid of originality.
@@allenparedes6132nah what are you talking about
I am also not a fan but I still respect its cool mechanic.
@@allenparedes6132bro what, every gta game is filled with cliches and content that cou- nevermind I’m disappointed in you
I seriously hope that GTA 6 will include a joke about the SR Reboot in the same way that GTA 5 made fun of SR4
how did they make fun of it?
@@oliverkoch8211 the mission where Michael gets high on weed and guns down aliens with a minigun
lmao i never even noticed that
@@robanator9083 yeah i can see the connection now
@@robanator9083how is that reference to saints row 4 lol
There is no Saints Row after Saints Row 2
I liked the 3rd part played it for an hour atleast always enjoyed pulling those wwe moves on NPCs
Pimp slap with zero gravity was fun
@@MpMan-w5d 3rd was a fever dream with good features, but some terrible design choices. SR2 was the last SR!
Saints Row: Gat out of Hell: Am I a joke to you?
Everyone: Yes.
Og saints row 1 players when the developers fumble another game: first time?
"in Saints Row you can throw people off a bridge, in GTA IV the main character wants to throw himself off a bridge"
it hurts how accurate this is..
but you are wrong about "this guy wasn't in the game" that's Mikhail Faustin!
Saints Row 2 is still one of my favorite games
My uncle gave me all his 360 games as a kid which included SR 1 & 2 that remain dear to me.
The saddest part about this is not even a month ago I was taking with my brother about how they should make a new saints row games because I honestly missed them 😭 we was thinking the same shit too. Come to find out they made one in 2022 and I never even knew because it was that bad.. sad days lol
>looks at faustin
"yeah he's not in the game"
I know how does he not know who he is?🤣🤣🤣
Right , that’s straight up Faustin
he even wearing the same clothes
Iirc the idea for original Saints Row 5 was to go back to a more serious story, akin to GTA IV. Instead, we got a circus.
Saints Row 2 was an amazing mix between serious (*) story and fun gameplay.
definitely had to throw the asterisk on serious😂 the game was definitely over the top and wacky, but grounded at the same time. it felt like it was barely sticking to the ground, and that was the fun. then saints row 3 just flew off the ground and forgot about being grounded at all
*A CENSORED Circus at that
Saints row 4 is just a saints row 3 dlc ...
Saints Row wasn't GTA's only rival...
Driver be like: Am I a JOKE to you???
Hate to be that guy, since Driver 2 was my introduction in the sandbox genre and I loved it, but... Yeah, Rockstar did considered Driver kind of a joke. There were jabs towards the franchise in Vice City and San Andreas.
Tanner sucks ass
It's a shame you can't play Driver San Francisco legally anymore. The concept of the body powers was pretty cool.
I think Mafia is more of a serious rival than Driver
@@yeaaahboii2527 won't consider that as a rival as Take Two owns both companies that made GTA and Mafia.
Koch media is a crazy name..
Haha cause it sounds like cock. Hahaha. 😝
He just pronounces it wrong. It's CH at the end, noch CK. I mean fair enough that he did it wrong, I can't think of an example in the english language for how to pronounce it either, but it's not even close to cock like he said it
@@ChrisAegrim nah i think i like the CK pronunciation better that shit funny
Dicc media
They actually had to change their name because people kept saying it wrong lmao:
www.pcgamer.com/koch-media-got-so-sick-of-the-jokes-its-changed-its-name/
www.ign.com/articles/publisher-koch-media-changes-name-plaion (less memey article)
True story, I dated a guy whose college professor worked on SR 3 and 4. He said that he used to talk about how much of a mess the development was and how it is a masterclass in how NOT to produce a commercially successful product.
I still vividly remember getting canonized at church so that i could later on swagger along with a pimp cane and four fine dames by my side
What made saints row 2 even more better was GTA4 you couldn't do alot of stuff that you could do in San Andreas like buying multiple houses and apartments, customizing cars, and limited our clothes customization etc. RIP Saints row
"The Slow Death of GTA's Only Rival"
*Watch Dogs has entered the chat
Watch dogs first and second was perfect, but again giant game company forgot to listend to the consumer so they decide what best for the fans...... LOOK ANOTHER AC or FC.....
My theory is rockstar paid off volition to sabotage saints row.
Why tf would they even bother? Not defending or glazing rockstar but had the new saints row been good their game ain’t going anywhere near gta 6 level hype people are buying that more sounds pointless
Nah man the game was just bad, Rockstar had nothing to do with it. Stop defending SR
Nut job conspiracy, even if the SR reboot was good it would never be up to quality with GTA
@@Killakay47 think about it. They have no competition and would prefer to keep it that way.
Gta was out selling SR by a lot more, SR wasn't really GTA competition. Rock star didn't need to pay off anyone, SR was just not good enough and then destroyed themselves.
Let's hope Saints Row can be resurrected one day. Saints Rows 1~2 are so great. Then 3~4 are also so much fun, especially with friends 😭😭
After the failure that was the reboot it isn't happening
It's pretty well all but confirmed that saints row as an IP is dead
Saints row 3, 4 and the reboot just weren't true to what saints row should have been about and there's no real major desire for it anymore
Insane how this video is over 1mil views for an 6k subscribed channel. Bravo! Well done!
Fun Fact: That guy on the right (3:39) is Jon Gravelli
Isn't that faustin?
@@anaslossantos No first Poster is Mikhail Faustin and Second poster is Jon Gravelli at 3:40
Finally someone who know the DIFFERENCE between a rival ( competitor) and an copy cat clone 😭
7:06 I remember that scene, I was 13 at the time, I still remember the dread I felt after it.
I felt the same man I remember I always wore a purple beanie in his memory lol. I think the Devs said that they regretted putting it in the game which is crazy to me because it builds up the antagonists and the player's desire for revenge which is really important to keep you invested.
Fun fact sr1 was originally going to be released on the ps3 in 2007 and it was fully complete but volition scrapped it in order to focus on developing sr2 for the console
The guy you "didn't even see in the game" was Mikhail Faustin.
3:38 I think that's meant to be Mikhail Faustin and the one after that is Jon Gravelli.
Yeah
Was about to type this.
That's correct
Yeah it's definitely them. My point was rather than Roman, Dimitri or someone really recognisable they put random side characters in the wrong outfits just to mess with people trying to buy the game lol
@@haku_haku_hakuthey all were already present in loading screens
I loved Saints Row because how gritty, how raw it was. As players, we may harbor for the characters in the game, but we also get to see their horrible deaths because of the lifestyle they’ve chosen to live. Carlos’ death still haunts me to this day.
Edit: And as a player who enjoyed both of the franchises (although I only played SR2 and SR3), I have to admit this one thing. These games are only called “GTA Clone” due to the “open world do whatever you want” type of aspect. SR franchise only focused on Playa while GTA has showcased many other periods with different characters (sometimes), such as the dark era of 90’s, the colorful era of 80’s and the golden age of hiphop and one of the worst periods of the human life, crack c*caine epidemic.
True crime should make a comeback fr
I actually liked SR 2 BETTER than GTA IV! I still messes around that game time to time. Sad to see the entire series is now nothing more than a memory.
13:32 the last thing I want in a video game about crime is to play has a university student that has to pay student loans.
Saints row 2 had wacky side activities and was fun but the atmosphere was nailed and with good story , believable characters that actually feel like they are part of a criminal organization.
This channel is criminally under-subbed. See you when you're at 100k subs mate. Great stuff.
Thank you homie, big love!!
0:54 I love seetsrewtew
Lmao
Saints Row 2 is exactly like a free mode gameplay of GTA 4
Man.... Saints Row 2 was my favourite story for a game like these... that one mission, the one where they drag Carlos around chained to the back of the car... man that still hurts my heart
Rockstar kept the same formula
Volition tried too hard to appeal to the widest base possible
I was a huge fan of the first and second installment. SR1 is one of my favorite and most memorable games of all time. (Who remembers protect the pimp?) It's incredibly sad to see what happened to the series.
All the real OGs played SR1 multiplayer!!!
if they didn't let "GTA Clone" get to their head we would've been on the good timeline, I never hear "it's a COD Clone" with a random fps (unless it literally is)
Saints Row went to shit after Gat out of Hell
you mean after SR3
@@davisfromthehills7521yeah, SR4 was for Real the down fall, i can understand that some people don't like SR3 because we are more a Organisation than a gang but everything after that was just bad except the never finished game SR money shot since it actually was interesting
@@commanderblack5045 I fw the 4th one. I like the super powers and shit lol
@@LilXume actually in my opinion do i think that Saints Row 4 is a fun game but isn't a good Saints Row game
@@davisfromthehills7521some would argue that SR2 was the last good one.
Great vid man, hope you reach more subs because this is better than some YT channels with 100k+ vids. Keep it up 🤙
The new GTA trailer looks exactly like the most recent saints row, its so over for gaming.
I like gta 4 more than gta 5. GTA 5 Story is meh. I replay gta 4 and san andreas more than 5. GTA 5 story is forgetable
Yeah GTA 4 was better than GTA 5 and I think Saint Row 1 & 2 were the best ones went down hill after that. But Red Dead 2 the story is amazing but online is shit and I hope GTA 6 is gonna have a good story!
The guy on 3:38 is Faustin
Came to say the exact same thing nice eyes
When does he appear? like what mission ?
@@KeaWealthy after vlad is killed, Nico and Roman are kidnapped, then you meet Dimitri and Faustin
@@KeaWealthy he’s literally the Russian Mob guy you run into right after Vlad Demitri was his right hand man till he had you kill him
And the second one is mafia boss in hospital, the G guy
I've played both Saints Row 3 and GTA 4. I feel GTA 4 is more serious and more resource intensive. Sains Row 3 runs well on my Intel HD Graphics which is present on my Thinkpad Laptop and Thinkcentre Mini PC. For GTA 4, I play the game on a Dell Precision Workstation with Nvidia GTX GPU. The driving experience in GTA 4 is more realistic in contrast to Saints Row 3.
Jonny almost dying still hurts till this day
Saints Row 2 was a stand alone legendary game for me. It was the trailer you briefly show at 1:44 that convinced me to buy Saints Row 2 all those years ago when it was a new game.
I was very excited for Saints Row 3 when it was announced, and it had some pretty cool stuff about it. But I hated the change of scenery and the lack of Gat. Shaundi just got super hot, and things got even sweeter. But it lacked the crazy substance and beautiful storyline that Saints Row 2 had. The gangs of Saints Row 3 were kinda cringe, and couldn't be taken seriously. Compare that to Mr Sunshine, Jyunichi, Kazuo, Shogo, The General and Maero.
It was through Saints Row 2 that I discovered Panic! At The Disco, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Deftones and so many other awesome songs and bands. The zombies in the abandoned underground place. The UFOs. The easter eggs. The unique safehouses and customization of them. It was the closest thing to perfect. I can't even think of anything bad about it.
But disappointment hit very fast when Saints Row 3 got to the second mission. Things were being TAKEN AWAY, not worked towards.
5:24 Teachers and parents do
Personally, I loved Saint's Row IV, but it's just a huge mess on 3rd generation consoles like the PS3. The superpowers also took away the fun part about vehicles: their functionality and customization. There was really no point in driving vehicles unless you're platinum trophy grinding like I was because you could just outrun the cars anyway.
Ya i love saints row IV but ya vehicles are kinda pointless except in the ones you can cause "mayhem" in
The guys you said are not even in the game are Mikhail Faustin and Jon Gravelli. Also I'm just here to say GTA 4 is goated.
I once sat in a Costco food court next to a Volition dev who worked on Saints Row (the 2022 one), and we organically struck up a convo "where are you from? Me? Here in [wouldn't be hard to figure out the town but I'm not volunteering it]! What do you do?", etc.
I told him how great some of the games were and how cool I thought it was that he has that opportunity and asked him what kind of work he did on this specific Saints Row game (because i didn't want to offend him by asking him the next question if i didn't need to...) and he said "I'm the guy who does the menu and credits UI's."
I said "ok, so none of the decisions made about the rest of the game, right?"
He said "noooo. Nope, nope. So it's not my fault it's so bad! The UI looks goooOOOoood!" and we laughed and laughed and laughed. It wasn't extremely uncomfortable at all.
2:18 goated @flippy mentioned my goat fr
Was always the budget GTA, had some neat ideas though
You know you're company is cooked when you're owner is called "Koch Media"😭🙏💀💀
EVERYONE was GTA's RIVAL, in the times of GTA 4 and 5 EVERYONE was making open world car stealing shooting game.
But NOONE went the extra mile to make them as good as GTA.
If they were to kept more feeling like a Midwest Looney Tunes style of GTA instead going to science fiction then to college kids that can't shut up about college loan debt
the foreshadowing of saints row 2 gang peds mentioning they’re in the gang to pay for college lool
Fr San Andreas was the whackiest gta title and it’s a massive classic even today. There’s a market for whacky cartoony gta type games.
Saints row 2 was light year's ahead of gta 4 in terms of customization and side activities.
11:40 don't let this guy fool you it was that bad me and my friends wanted that game bad I saw the writing on the wall realized it was going to be trash but my friend doesn't pay attention to trailers and he left it in his cart by mistake and bought it with another game played it and couldn't even get past the tutorial I sat there watching through the share screen the game constantly crashed literally could not get passed the section where you quit being a part of that paramilitary job the shooting was wonky and you could stand writing from the hostile NPCs in they would not attack you all and if they fixed any of that but it was horrible
Saints Row was no competition to GTA 4, GTA 4 was GOATED
Never heard of anyone who didn’t like GTA IV’s serious and dark theme. It is what made that game so great.
GTA never really had a rival. From VC onwoards it became and stayed way bigger than any other game that could be compared to it in terms of vibe, style and diversity.
i remember the day i pre-ordered saints row IV, only to launch it and realise that it's just a wacky game that was supposed to be a dlc for III...
ironically, there are quite a lot of improvements in IV, like better customisation options in Rim Jobs, just that you wouldn't know about them because you have super powers and stuff, what a wreck
Jim Robs
for real they wasted budget for more customization on vehicles that had no purpose to us
These videos about Saints Row always break my heart
Wow, I thought this channel had like 600k subs or a million or so, but to my surprise as I thought of subscribing after watching the video…. It’s ONLY FREAKING 6K !? Well…. I subscribed.
I was a bartender in Champaign in the early 2000s. I was generally stuck working dead Monday nights along with a couple of waitresses. On occasion the Volition crew would come in and drop a few grand on the company credit card. I'd make 300 bucks plus in tips that night - unheard of on a Monday. And the rest of the bartenders were a bit peeved that I was making that much on what everyone knew was a garbage shift.
You forgot about Gat out of hell
To call Saints Row was a rival of GTA would imply that it was anywhere as good. The only Saints Row that was even remotely good was 2.
Fantastic video, I've played all the games except for the reboot and there really was a big divide between the first two games and The Third, I actually enjoyed the games up until Gat out of Hell quite a lot but the way the story went after SR2 always left a lot to be desired. I would've played the reboot but after seeing the trailer I knew it would be terrible. Regarding story and characters, they could never live up to SR2.
Saints row 2 is so iconic to me that each time someone mentions the game, I always remember the scene with gat at the cemetery saying " get up ", it is so fucking cool.
Of everything i have played during these years nothing has come close to it, its just that good for me.
the Mafia franchise still has the potential to rival GTA games especially with Mafia 4 or any future Mafia games. Too bad the separate story+freeroam and lackluster open world takes away most of the "good" things that people want in an open world game that is similar to GTA. But seeing the franchise's potential, I still have hope that one day they'll gather up enough resources (budget + talent) to one day make as good of an open world experience as any gta games. (hope being the keyword here.)
mafia is a linear story-based game first, open world second. always has been. making it more like gta would be missing the point
Very true ,Great points
Take-Two owns Mafia, there’s no rivalry
@@manukau5271 Exactly, Mafia is like GTA's cousin Vinny. Not a competitor.
I would've liked if Mafia 2 had side activities. I wouldn't care as much now. Mafia went off the rails after Vávra's departure.
Oh I remember volition they made my fav franchise.... Red faction, they flopped the sequel but the rest were good games
SR3 was really the beginning of the end for the series, sure it was fun but it had very little to do with the previous titles other than name alone. The characters were completely different, the boss's personality was so generic and lifeless. SR2 really was the peak it the series
And the biggest culprit of this downfall not only the mismanagement at Volition but primarily with Deep Silver and them wanting to sanitize the series.
Volition closed on my birthday which imo for a birthday was the coolest gift ever
Saints Row wasn't GTA only rival, you forgot the Driver series
Tanner sucks ass 😂
To be honest I was never that into the Saints Row games. I only played SR2 and I think it’s gonna stay that way lol.
A truth gta fans gotta accept:had volition listened to their fans they could have surpassed rockstar at least a little bit
No they won't😂 Saints row was always a knock off franchise of GTA
No they wouldn't, keep believing what you want to though
@@senpaigoku1496 it was but look at prime saints row and gta now,had volition kept saints row the same it would have been much better than gta
@@senpaigoku1496Fuck GTA. I'm done with it's Fans and the "Fanbase" fuckery
@@senpaigoku1496 I still had more fun playing Saint Row 2 then any GTA game and I love San Andreas when I was younger and my fav GTA is GTA 4 had a lot of fun on that game too but still prefer Saints Row 2. You say it’s a knock off but you customise your character and your gang and ring Zombie Carlos and got more respect if you wore purple clothes just little things like that is what separates it from GTA you numpty
I’ve recently played through GTA again as a grown man and them Niko jokes in the beginning were pure gold have me dying in my living room🤣🤣🤣🔥
Having never played the SR3 remastered version as I was told it was terrible, seeing all the less stylised characters in the remastered footage you showed really threw me off, lol.
Gta 6 is headed the same direction woke garbage with a dei protagonist
Btw 2008 was the greatest year for video games ever it’s not even close!!!!!!!!!!
Gta 4
Saints row 2
fallout 3
left 4 dead
call of duty waw
Super smash bros brawl
Mario kart wii
Fable 2
I could keep going all day
"Dei protagonist"
How in the hell is Lucia a dei protagonist when she's a light skinned woman with a heterosexual partner?
Playing as a woman isn't DEI, it becomes DEI when the main characteristics of said playable characteristics are purely about gender, sexuality etc
You're just mad because despite the potential of Jason and Lucia, you don't like the idea of playing as a woman who isn't even within the definition of DEI
Enough time has passed to where people are looking at GTA 4 with rose colored glasses and ignoring why it had the reception it had in the first place. In the quest for "realism" rockstar dialed back the fun factor. The main story missions, with very few exceptions, were flat out boring.
Saints Row 2 got attention at the time because it was delivering what alot of people wanted from GTA that was simply absent in 4.
6:00 just like assassin's creed 2
Might be unpopular but I honestly would have embraced the “GTA clone” moniker if I were the developers and used it to challenge gameplay aspects as well as features included in gta. The bones were there in SR2, all they had to do was polish up the game and add some of the features that SR3 introduced. They tried so hard to distinguish themselves that they ended up killing the franchise.
Incredible video man congrats on the deserved views! 👏🏻
Hot take but I actually enjoyed playing saints row 2022 mainly the open world the customization the gameplay but the story and the new characters suck that’s one thing I hate about but everything else I enjoyed
Even though I like saints row 2 way more than 2022 game
I absolutely agree. I really enjoyed the customization & map of 2022. In my head canon the story doesn’t exist for my characters & just pretend it’s the saints row 2 playa expanding in A new city.
They should not have gone woke. The superhero thing was bad. But the woke trash was the nail in the coffin.
I wouldn't say being woke was actually the issue here otherwise we wouldn't have seen Dragon, Greedfall, Elden Ring, BG and Mass Effect succeed.
Only thing remotely woke I remember is that pride flag in that apartment of theirs before they moved to the church