This demo shows the different sprite management capabilities, VRAM flexibility, DMA transfers, and pixel limits supported by both consoles. Hence the difference between 3 enemies and 1 player on the SNES versus up to 9 enemies and 2 players on the MD version. Beat em ups are a genre that is more suited to the capabilities of the MD. Thanks for the gameplay, very entertaining and educational.
Regardless of the capabilities of one machine or another, the comparison is not fair, you are comparing a game programmed more than 30 years ago with the memory restrictions that existed in the past due to the cost of the game to today when such restrictions do not exist. Let's be fair and not just get carried away by fanaticism.
One would also argue that it's the skill of the dev(s) when workin on consoles. If one knows the console/engine inside out and even know work arounds, one can perform miracles on it. The fanatics of havin to compare consoles these days is silly as shit as these days, these consoles are understood far better than when they were released.
@@dava658It's not about programming or the fact that there is a difference between 30-year versions. The capabilities of a console and its limitations are something tangible from the moment they are first created. Memory restrictions are only affected by the price and size of the ROMs, I'm not arguing about that here. The rest of the restrictions are based on the capabilities of the consoles. Batman Returns on SNES uses 128 sprites to show 3 enemies and 1 player. While MD has the use of more different sizes of sprites simultaneously and despite its maximum being 80, it can draw what this demo shows: 9 enemies and 2 players. The VRAM also doesn't change over time, although both have 64KBs for graphic data, SNES limits it to 2 banks of 8KBs as maximum for sprites, so it's not going to show more than 512 different sprite-based tiles on screen per frame (MD has no limitation in this area). And MD doesn't need more VBlank time (the black bars you see in the SNES version) used to give the console more time to transfer tiles to VRAM, so in addition to showing more horizontal screen, it also does so vertically. Therefore, it is fair to accept and know why this type of games (beat em up) are much more bearable for the Mega Drive hardware, whether in 1988 or in 2024
@@specterRaven One thing is skill and another thing is the real capacity and limitation of each console. Let's say that instead of using 8x8 and 16x16 sprites on SNES we use 16x16 and 32x32 ones. Yes, we could see some more enemies. At what price? At the price of showing more flickering, at the price of taking up more space in VRAM, at the price of that space in VRAM being managed well enough so as not to have to sacrifice some animation, etc. Just because I'm telling the truth doesn't mean I'm a fan of one console or another, you can ask any programmer if SNES is capable of managing the same size, variety of tiles and transfer of graphic data for sprites with the same efficiency as MD does. SNES has its own capabilities for other types of tasks, but in this video you can see the real hardware differences between one and the other when it comes to showing a beat em up. Currently, we are working with all the knowledge available on SNES for some new games, and among them there are some beat em ups that still show the same limitations as 30 years ago: not too many enemies on screen and they depend on the size and variety of tiles that they have. This MD demo also shows MD's multiplexing capacity to show more than 80 sprites simultaneously, which is achieved when we see the snow.
The two-player option is always nice, but in this game having 2 'Batmans' makes it a bittersweet inclusion imo. Being able to be Robin, or another character from the series would be amazing.
This the batman returns we shouldve had on the genesis. Instead of grainy eysore and ear piercing original port. Imagine sega cd or cd 32x port with the driving stages.
É a versão de Snes pra Mega Drive, transformada em uma versão de arcade! Com som, imagem, e elementos dos dos beat ups de arcade. É como se fosse um Final Fight sombrio...
Essa versao ficou muito bacana! Nao vejo a hora quando chegar outros niveis e outras habilidades como a bomba. Acho que os golpes do Batman precisam ficar um pouco mais fortes porém. Seria legal se o batrang funcionasse como arma também.
Just played it on my hacked Super Nintendo Mini. Shame it's only a single level demo. And I couldn't figure out how to use the batarangs; it's possible they just weren't added yet. Still, it's cool for what it is. There's so many Super Nintendo classics like this for all gamers to try and love today. Trust me, I can understand why genesis-only owners would want to finally get a taste of these Super Nintendo greats, however they go about it ultimately.
@@inceptional Have you ever played Monopoly? Nintendo owners have, that's the only reason and this demo is proof that Genesis was always more powerful, even if the game isn't finished.
@@danaquije1510 Coping much. It seems to me you're still bitter and butthurt that the Super Nintendid handily win the 16-bit console war back in the '90s, which you can never ever change, while I can just play all your precious genesis games and demos on my Super Nintendo Mini here in 2024. You do know that sega lost literally every single time it went up against Nintendo in a console battle, ever, from NES all the way to the Super Nintendo Mini, right. And sega is dead as a console company while the Nintendo Switch is about to become the best selling console of all time. What are you going to tell me next to try and heal the festering wounds, that the master system was more powerful than the NES, the game gear was more powerful than the Game Boy, the saturn had more fighting games than the N64, the dreamcast had online before the GameCube, the genesis mini had more games than the Super Nintendo Mini, sega is going to release some more mini arcade retro compilation machines in 2025, and sega has threee sonic movies while Nintendo only has one. Lol It's sega fans losing all the way down since the '80s, and Nintendo fans winning all the way up to modern times. That's what's known as Nintendomination.
@@ItsPaybackTime89 ...and? Are you implying all forms of retro gaming are invalid unless it's on original unmodified hardware? Because if so, your implication is both 100% entirely false and asslne IoI...
Nice! I'm jealous... I've heard Genesis games emulate *beautifully* on that. If was lucky enough to have an snes mini, I'd put both versions of Batman Returns on there IoI
Just a watered down, 16 meg 1 stage demo of a COMPLETE 8 meg full SNES game. I don't see the point of putting 9 enemies on screen (which has been done on the snes in its "9 enemies" hack of Final Fight 2 already) if u can't see most of them due to flickering... The music is a poor sinthesized rendition of the AMAZING orchestrated SNES version... At least, the graphics and the colors are fine, so there's that... Anyways, just one more instance of the Genesis trying to be an SNES and Sega widows pretending to have but a taste of what SNES owners have had for like 30 years now. A bit sad, to be honest. Interesting tech demo, nevertheless. And I repeat, D E M O. Now, cry me a RIVER in the comments.
You are right, snes version looks better, it has less enemies on screen, a cropped resolution, stretched graphics and a letterboxed screen display, you dingus 😆
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This demo shows the different sprite management capabilities, VRAM flexibility, DMA transfers, and pixel limits supported by both consoles. Hence the difference between 3 enemies and 1 player on the SNES versus up to 9 enemies and 2 players on the MD version.
Beat em ups are a genre that is more suited to the capabilities of the MD.
Thanks for the gameplay, very entertaining and educational.
Regardless of the capabilities of one machine or another, the comparison is not fair, you are comparing a game programmed more than 30 years ago with the memory restrictions that existed in the past due to the cost of the game to today when such restrictions do not exist. Let's be fair and not just get carried away by fanaticism.
One would also argue that it's the skill of the dev(s) when workin on consoles. If one knows the console/engine inside out and even know work arounds, one can perform miracles on it.
The fanatics of havin to compare consoles these days is silly as shit as these days, these consoles are understood far better than when they were released.
@@dava658It's not about programming or the fact that there is a difference between 30-year versions. The capabilities of a console and its limitations are something tangible from the moment they are first created.
Memory restrictions are only affected by the price and size of the ROMs, I'm not arguing about that here.
The rest of the restrictions are based on the capabilities of the consoles. Batman Returns on SNES uses 128 sprites to show 3 enemies and 1 player. While MD has the use of more different sizes of sprites simultaneously and despite its maximum being 80, it can draw what this demo shows: 9 enemies and 2 players.
The VRAM also doesn't change over time, although both have 64KBs for graphic data, SNES limits it to 2 banks of 8KBs as maximum for sprites, so it's not going to show more than 512 different sprite-based tiles on screen per frame (MD has no limitation in this area). And MD doesn't need more VBlank time (the black bars you see in the SNES version) used to give the console more time to transfer tiles to VRAM, so in addition to showing more horizontal screen, it also does so vertically.
Therefore, it is fair to accept and know why this type of games (beat em up) are much more bearable for the Mega Drive hardware, whether in 1988 or in 2024
@@specterRaven One thing is skill and another thing is the real capacity and limitation of each console.
Let's say that instead of using 8x8 and 16x16 sprites on SNES we use 16x16 and 32x32 ones. Yes, we could see some more enemies. At what price? At the price of showing more flickering, at the price of taking up more space in VRAM, at the price of that space in VRAM being managed well enough so as not to have to sacrifice some animation, etc.
Just because I'm telling the truth doesn't mean I'm a fan of one console or another, you can ask any programmer if SNES is capable of managing the same size, variety of tiles and transfer of graphic data for sprites with the same efficiency as MD does.
SNES has its own capabilities for other types of tasks, but in this video you can see the real hardware differences between one and the other when it comes to showing a beat em up. Currently, we are working with all the knowledge available on SNES for some new games, and among them there are some beat em ups that still show the same limitations as 30 years ago: not too many enemies on screen and they depend on the size and variety of tiles that they have.
This MD demo also shows MD's multiplexing capacity to show more than 80 sprites simultaneously, which is achieved when we see the snow.
The two-player option is always nice, but in this game having 2 'Batmans' makes it a bittersweet inclusion imo. Being able to be Robin, or another character from the series would be amazing.
This is absolutely awesome! They need to finish this!
This the batman returns we shouldve had on the genesis. Instead of grainy eysore and ear piercing original port. Imagine sega cd or cd 32x port with the driving stages.
increíble amigo, un enorme abrazo por tu gran trabajo...Es impresionante todo el detalle que has podido meter en esta demo. Se ve AMAZING.
i feel like i heard STRONG MAN's laugh before on another game but i cant quite put my finger on.
Big Ben from Streets of Rage 2
"Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it."
“But a kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it.”
Wow. Super
É a versão de Snes pra Mega Drive, transformada em uma versão de arcade! Com som, imagem, e elementos dos dos beat ups de arcade. É como se fosse um Final Fight sombrio...
Só uma demo, do Snes é completo
@@jogadorcomum3265Vocês leram que é uma "DEMO" . Ou precisa desenhar?
@@jogadorcomum3265mas vamos torcer para que o Pyron e envolvidos consigam deixar completo
If someone could port Mega Man the Wily Wars to Super Nintendo I'd be so happy
Se jogar pra dois players, o segundo player vai ser o Batman azul?
Genesis does what nintendon't!❤
Yes it Plays Too Short unlike original SNES one
I love when people try to be smart and look foolish
yes. this was snes. wow. Batman Return Mega Drive 16-bit)
@@SegaMD2 Oh Hi :)
@CircusBabyLover-t3l Hi) xexe
Amazing
Um natal maravilhoso com um jogo natalino
Super! Cuando un Punisher para la sega version Arcade Edition..
Very nice
Really reminds me of the Snes version 😮😮😮
That's cause it's a copy of it obviously!
@ScotsmanGamer No kidding 😅😅😅😅 It was a joke I played it on Snes
@@DigitalNomad765 By god if you think that is funny do not try to be a comedian as a career!
@DigitalNomad765 you really need to stop laughing at your own "joke" and comments when the joke is you thinking you're funny
@ScotsmanGamer Ohh you mean like you trying to act intelligent.
@0:38 Dragons Fury boss music?
Essa versao ficou muito bacana! Nao vejo a hora quando chegar outros niveis e outras habilidades como a bomba. Acho que os golpes do Batman precisam ficar um pouco mais fortes porém. Seria legal se o batrang funcionasse como arma também.
They said they won't complete it... It says so on the download page.
@@zabustifu The last thing that is lost is hope,
Shame this wasn’t real back in the day.
😊 I'm Batman
Oh shit
Go ahead 😂
Just played it on my hacked Super Nintendo Mini. Shame it's only a single level demo. And I couldn't figure out how to use the batarangs; it's possible they just weren't added yet. Still, it's cool for what it is. There's so many Super Nintendo classics like this for all gamers to try and love today. Trust me, I can understand why genesis-only owners would want to finally get a taste of these Super Nintendo greats, however they go about it ultimately.
@@inceptional Have you ever played Monopoly? Nintendo owners have, that's the only reason and this demo is proof that Genesis was always more powerful, even if the game isn't finished.
@@danaquije1510 Coping much.
It seems to me you're still bitter and butthurt that the Super Nintendid handily win the 16-bit console war back in the '90s, which you can never ever change, while I can just play all your precious genesis games and demos on my Super Nintendo Mini here in 2024.
You do know that sega lost literally every single time it went up against Nintendo in a console battle, ever, from NES all the way to the Super Nintendo Mini, right. And sega is dead as a console company while the Nintendo Switch is about to become the best selling console of all time.
What are you going to tell me next to try and heal the festering wounds, that the master system was more powerful than the NES, the game gear was more powerful than the Game Boy, the saturn had more fighting games than the N64, the dreamcast had online before the GameCube, the genesis mini had more games than the Super Nintendo Mini, sega is going to release some more mini arcade retro compilation machines in 2025, and sega has threee sonic movies while Nintendo only has one.
Lol
It's sega fans losing all the way down since the '80s, and Nintendo fans winning all the way up to modern times.
That's what's known as Nintendomination.
Can this be played on android via emulation and if so what MD genesis emulator? Wow!!
MD.emu
What makes this just a demo?
It's just one level to demonstrate how the project is coming along. The rest is still in the works.
@@davintheraven Nope. It's a tech demo that won't get completed. The download page says so.
Vocês leram que é uma "DEMO" . Ou precisa desenhar?
Wow amazing!, too bad the author has no intention to finish this 😢
Feels right at home on my hacked Super Nintendo Mini.
The snes mini isn't a real snes , it's a emulator device 😆
@@ItsPaybackTime89 ...and? Are you implying all forms of retro gaming are invalid unless it's on original unmodified hardware? Because if so, your implication is both 100% entirely false and asslne IoI...
@@Hausbrauen @inceptional thinks the snes mini is actually a real snes, he seriously does. He's known as the snes hero🦸
Nice! I'm jealous... I've heard Genesis games emulate *beautifully* on that. If was lucky enough to have an snes mini, I'd put both versions of Batman Returns on there IoI
@@Hausbrauen The snes mini has lag, every mini console has this.
Si va mucho mejor que el de Super
Just a watered down, 16 meg 1 stage demo of a COMPLETE 8 meg full SNES game.
I don't see the point of putting 9 enemies on screen (which has been done on the snes in its "9 enemies" hack of Final Fight 2 already) if u can't see most of them due to flickering...
The music is a poor sinthesized rendition of the AMAZING orchestrated SNES version...
At least, the graphics and the colors are fine, so there's that...
Anyways, just one more instance of the Genesis trying to be an SNES and Sega widows pretending to have but a taste of what SNES owners have had for like 30 years now. A bit sad, to be honest.
Interesting tech demo, nevertheless. And I repeat, D E M O.
Now, cry me a RIVER in the comments.
Ugly Clone about Batman Returns SNES
Yes but that's not the point you muppet as this game never got a megadrive release!
@CircusBabyLover-t3l stating the obvious captain obvious, you do realise it never came out on the mega drive right?
Sentiu
You are right, snes version looks better, it has less enemies on screen, a cropped resolution, stretched graphics and a letterboxed screen display, you dingus 😆
Batman returns on the snes has less enemies on screen, and the resolution is cropped, the screen display is letterboxed, and no foreground graphics.