@@catalystreactionsbw I'm in the process of building a monster 1200 from an engine I bought of eBay.... I'm now watching your videos to build up the confidence to ride. They are helping 👏👏
@@lammysdv Brilliant, thank you very much for leveraging the content. I am starting with a 748 frame, Evo 848 swing arm and 1098 engine for my project bike.
@@catalystreactionsbw that's actually the best plartfrom looks wise too because it looks better from both sides!!! What forks are you going with?? Yes you literally helped me build the thing
@@jessevena4535 We all get started somewhere, so try the simple stuff first with a cable tie on the right fork chrome tube. Install it, make it snug and trim the tail. Push up against the dust seal and ride for an hour or so. See how far down the cable tie went. Ideally it should be 20-30mm from the bottom (just over an inch).
dude great videos. gonna go back and retune my sag and whole setup from my initial setup on the bike. first vid of yours i saw was on fork oil weight selection and it got me thinking. i have a headshake (at certain speed) that i've been unable to pinpoint the cause of... i've done a number of things but i have not done the forks. bike was crashed before me and im hoping the legs arent bent. hooray for $500 fz1 though
naah, it depends on the motorcycle and the rider. in the video, Mr Moss had done the Hydraulics set up well (for Mr Williams) so the bike was well-damped I guess here the front static sag was less (based on feedback) so that (preload) was reduced to increase the static sag for the pace and the road it was ridden in in my opinion... . . . . . . Psssst; I have not seen the full video.
As a general rule, having less preload in the front will make it slightly lower, conversely, more in the rear will raise it slightly. Preload affects sag values. Ride height will affect turn in speed, as well as stability at speed and weight transfer. Any correction is welcome as this is what I took from setting up and tweaking mine.
Yes, correct and in this case because the shock spring is so soft, that was our only option. We could not move the forks as the brake line sits almost on top of the fork cap, so we could not do any fork geometry work.
that street triple must have been fucked with by some noob before he rid it..ive never heard a single person describe the ride of a street triple as shit lol,ive had 3 now and all were bloody amazing machines to ride!! great vid dave....bizz
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I want to see more vids about usual commuting bikes or enduros with long suspension travel... Especially versys 2015+ cuz they took of the rear rebound damping for the 3rd Gen. .. How to cope with the wobbling now? Could progressive spring help? Thx
Static sag on the rear is 14mm...both rider sags are 36 front and 33 rear...the problem is that the rear Preload is set from factory to just 1 click from fully counterclockwise and that is for my weight still too stiff and I can't make it softer 🙁
@@damer950 Mathematically, the one click might give you more static and you are already in the 30-40mm range. Now you need to ride and see how much travel you use.
I have a XT600 but I'm really lightweight so the rear suspension isn't pushed when I sit on it, compared to just about everyone. Any idea to make it work for my weight ?
Look at the amount of shock travel used - what is dirty, what is clean? Then check static sag at set it at 60mm ua-cam.com/video/3FeZJRiAXRk/v-deo.html
When you change tyres you should be measuring circumferences of the old to new and see what will happen to the geometry of your motorcycle. With a smaller circumference, the weight bias of the bike will move to the rear and that will mean bumps will feel bigger.
After three decades of doing this, I keep tools on my hands all the time and lean the bike against me. You are not alone in that concern yet once they see how careful I am, all is well.
I just got an 07 gsxr 750 and would like some tips on the suspension ( I weigh about 135lbs ). Bike feels off/sluggish in corners and the rear slips without braking or giving it gas when riding hard mid corner.
@@catalystreactionsbw simply great channel, simply unacceptable answer. If you cannot go quick enough in your own lane, go to the track. Please consider your younger inexperienced viewers before your next post which shows this unlawful style of riding.
@@floydthedroid5935 Dave Williams, editor and centerline over leaner, replying here. 3 reasons. 1) irrational fear of riding at lean on the grease hump between the tire ruts. 2) fear of riding in the right wheel rut because it leaves so little room to correct before running off the pavement. 3) And by far the greatest reason, in the last 15 years I've ridden less than 1000 miles on the road while churning out thousands and thousands of miles at the track. I find myself treating the centerline like the inside curb at the apex of a turn at the track. It's a psychological shift I need to make. Your concern is valid and appreciated. I will endeavor to correct it and be a better example to impressionable riders. That said, when I can see clearly through a turn that there is no oncoming traffic, I will likely revert to track habits and lean over the centerline like it's apex curbing. Blind corners offer incentive to break that habit plus offer a reminder to do so.
@@catalystreactionsbw Dave, I Dave. I appreciate your honest and well structured response. I have great respect for your experience and cannot hold a dismissive point of view in light of that. Please accept my support and ongoing constructive criticism of your efforts. You are bringing clarity and positive movement & I want to encourage that, I simply cannot condone breaking the law that is in place to protect us and those around us. Thank you again for your truly excellent channel.
I resent that . I am an alienRobot, with a private plane, a space-condo, a lifetime membership to the WillSmith Family club ( complete with Helicopter Tsunami Evac with star wars maneuvering capabilities) that also races under the weird hole near the bottom of the world. Aside from that, do carry on... >^..^
I've never ridden a bike but I watch these videos 😅
Is it time to get one?
@@catalystreactionsbw I'm in the process of building a monster 1200 from an engine I bought of eBay.... I'm now watching your videos to build up the confidence to ride. They are helping 👏👏
@@lammysdv Brilliant, thank you very much for leveraging the content. I am starting with a 748 frame, Evo 848 swing arm and 1098 engine for my project bike.
@@catalystreactionsbw that's actually the best plartfrom looks wise too because it looks better from both sides!!! What forks are you going with?? Yes you literally helped me build the thing
@@lammysdv I am honored to be a part of that and home builds are my real passion. Forks will be OEM outers with GP Suspension internals.
love watching these im slowly learning how to tune my street triple!
Please share your results to help others with the same bike!
@@catalystreactionsbw Seriously.. My 06 Speed Trip is like a puzzle from a weird episode of Star Trek DS9.
@@jessevena4535 We all get started somewhere, so try the simple stuff first with a cable tie on the right fork chrome tube. Install it, make it snug and trim the tail. Push up against the dust seal and ride for an hour or so. See how far down the cable tie went. Ideally it should be 20-30mm from the bottom (just over an inch).
dude great videos. gonna go back and retune my sag and whole setup from my initial setup on the bike. first vid of yours i saw was on fork oil weight selection and it got me thinking. i have a headshake (at certain speed) that i've been unable to pinpoint the cause of... i've done a number of things but i have not done the forks. bike was crashed before me and im hoping the legs arent bent.
hooray for $500 fz1 though
Hi Dave, does that mean you can have the bike turn into corners quicker by having LESS preload in front and MORE preload at the back? thanks
naah, it depends on the motorcycle and the rider. in the video, Mr Moss had done the Hydraulics set up well (for Mr Williams) so the bike was well-damped I guess here the front static sag was less (based on feedback) so that (preload) was reduced to increase the static sag for the pace and the road it was ridden in in my opinion...
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Psssst; I have not seen the full video.
As a general rule, having less preload in the front will make it slightly lower, conversely, more in the rear will raise it slightly. Preload affects sag values. Ride height will affect turn in speed, as well as stability at speed and weight transfer. Any correction is welcome as this is what I took from setting up and tweaking mine.
Yes, correct and in this case because the shock spring is so soft, that was our only option. We could not move the forks as the brake line sits almost on top of the fork cap, so we could not do any fork geometry work.
that street triple must have been fucked with by some noob before he rid it..ive never heard a single person describe the ride of a street triple as shit lol,ive had 3 now and all were bloody amazing machines to ride!! great vid dave....bizz
Just watched the full video @DMT wow am I going through almost exactly this exact same issue 😂
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Dave Moss Tuning I can guarantee the suction will be calling you.
Great video mate 👍🏽
Thanks 👍
Love this road!
I want to see more vids about usual commuting bikes or enduros with long suspension travel... Especially versys 2015+ cuz they took of the rear rebound damping for the 3rd Gen. .. How to cope with the wobbling now? Could progressive spring help? Thx
Settings static sag in the shock would help and then changing fork geometry to assist.
Static sag on the rear is 14mm...both rider sags are 36 front and 33 rear...the problem is that the rear Preload is set from factory to just 1 click from fully counterclockwise and that is for my weight still too stiff and I can't make it softer 🙁
@@damer950 Mathematically, the one click might give you more static and you are already in the 30-40mm range. Now you need to ride and see how much travel you use.
2:18 looks like you do a stop in leaning when leaning from a side to another
Editor DW's lean angle is set via speed used so there's no need to lean more if speed is constant in a corner.
I have a XT600 but I'm really lightweight so the rear suspension isn't pushed when I sit on it, compared to just about everyone.
Any idea to make it work for my weight ?
Look at the amount of shock travel used - what is dirty, what is clean? Then check static sag at set it at 60mm ua-cam.com/video/3FeZJRiAXRk/v-deo.html
I changed my rear tyre to 160/60/17 from 150/60/17 since then I can feel every small bumps.
When you change tyres you should be measuring circumferences of the old to new and see what will happen to the geometry of your motorcycle. With a smaller circumference, the weight bias of the bike will move to the rear and that will mean bumps will feel bigger.
Thanks brother. Subd.
What can I do to at least lessen the bounce? It feels like I'm on horseback above 100 km/h . Any advice will be highly appreciated.
@@AR-15-685 Assess how much fork and shock travel you are using. Is the shock too stiff or bottomed out? ua-cam.com/video/KeZT1LCY8CU/v-deo.html
What makes my 09 R6 slightly tire hop in corners? Feels like it’s just bouncing around. To stick maybe? I’m 5’9 140lb
Poor suspension settings Justin. Start here: ua-cam.com/video/dUnChNG7GmM/v-deo.html If you have already set that it might be tire pressures as well.
Get so nervous watching dave bounce the bike with the screwdriver in his hand. Guess he's a professional.
After three decades of doing this, I keep tools on my hands all the time and lean the bike against me. You are not alone in that concern yet once they see how careful I am, all is well.
@@catalystreactionsbw yeah I realize that I'm projecting my own fumblynes onto you hope I didn't jinx anything 😀 good video btw.
I just got an 07 gsxr 750 and would like some tips on the suspension ( I weigh about 135lbs ). Bike feels off/sluggish in corners and the rear slips without braking or giving it gas when riding hard mid corner.
Hi Carlos. I need a lot more information about you and your motorcycle before I comment. Please email me dave@davemosstuning.com
Did you find the solution
@@parthivbomma6570 got it tuned for my weight and new tires
The tyre was not on a cloud
Why are you leaning over the centreline on a public road?
Mr. Williams chooses to with a clear road ahead.
@@catalystreactionsbw simply great channel, simply unacceptable answer. If you cannot go quick enough in your own lane, go to the track. Please consider your younger inexperienced viewers before your next post which shows this unlawful style of riding.
@@floydthedroid5935 Dave Williams, editor and centerline over leaner, replying here. 3 reasons. 1) irrational fear of riding at lean on the grease hump between the tire ruts. 2) fear of riding in the right wheel rut because it leaves so little room to correct before running off the pavement. 3) And by far the greatest reason, in the last 15 years I've ridden less than 1000 miles on the road while churning out thousands and thousands of miles at the track. I find myself treating the centerline like the inside curb at the apex of a turn at the track. It's a psychological shift I need to make. Your concern is valid and appreciated. I will endeavor to correct it and be a better example to impressionable riders. That said, when I can see clearly through a turn that there is no oncoming traffic, I will likely revert to track habits and lean over the centerline like it's apex curbing. Blind corners offer incentive to break that habit plus offer a reminder to do so.
@@catalystreactionsbw Dave, I Dave. I appreciate your honest and well structured response. I have great respect for your experience and cannot hold a dismissive point of view in light of that. Please accept my support and ongoing constructive criticism of your efforts. You are bringing clarity and positive movement & I want to encourage that, I simply cannot condone breaking the law that is in place to protect us and those around us. Thank you again for your truly excellent channel.
I resent that . I am an alienRobot, with a private plane, a space-condo, a lifetime membership to the WillSmith Family club ( complete with Helicopter Tsunami Evac with star wars maneuvering capabilities) that also races under the weird hole near the bottom of the world. Aside from that, do carry on... >^..^
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