Thanks for the real life video, It's a breath of fresh air. I'm in N/C so I feel your pain as well. (Humid) Videos like this keep things honest. Outstanding!
Oct 20. 2024: Waiting on my 2024 F-150 XL, Reg cab, 4X4 short bed and Whipple installation (now to early November). This is Good stuff and I subscribed here. Sounds like "Is 5-6 Hp worth a change to Let's say a K&N set up"? As long as you can Keep it Straight enough for Safety, you can't accelerate hard enough!"
I will take actual results and knowledge over click bait any day. Be proud not to be a UA-camr. Most of them are just internet poiliticians. Unbiased knowledge is hard to come by these days.
I seems that most of the dyno testing has been in high heat. The other issue is how different the results have been on some Dyno tests. One test in REVan Evans U-Tube channel showed a 15 horsepower gain pulling the carbon traps and replacing the factory cone air filters with K&N filters. The biggest gain was mentioned by Steeda. They installed Kooks headers in their Dark Horse and picked up 40 horsepower on their Dyno pull. One final item I came across was a new Hennessy Dark Horse called the H850. An 850 horsepower supercharged Dark Horse. It was basically hidden in their S650 and Dark Horse U-Tube comparison. I clicked "more" on the article that took me to *Hennessy performance* where I found the H850 information.
Steeda wasn't datalogging either and they also messaged me privately to ask about wrench light and limp mode issues they were having. I suspect they were running the car lean inadvertently and when they 'fixed' their issue, magically they picked up big power. We figured that out in a previous video. It's on this channel. filter and carbon traps are not worth any power IMO based on my personal testing and years of experience with this platform. I wish I was wrong but I don't think I am in this case. If you add headers to a car and the car starts adding 2-3 degrees on its own, did you pick up 40hp because of the exhaust? or because of the headers?
@@jordanperformance well if the headers are the reason the car is adding more timing I would say it is because of the headers same with the carbon traps if the car is adding timing before of the improved airflow well then the carbon traps are making the power since with them in you lose the power. it is no different from fuel that allows more timing is it the timing increase that makes the power or the fuel.
5-7 is a much more logical number. With the stock system having two large filters, it has to flow very well without any mods. I would do it though. The cost is not an issue compared to other dollars per horsepower.
why change from the stock filters would have been nice to see the results with the stock filter I wouldn't be surprised if the stock filters flowed a bit better.
Palm Beach Dyno literally had a unmeasurable difference, they did gain a few when they left the cover off of the air filter housing and the fans blowing directly on them and I think they had aftermarket filters other than that its unmeasurable ... boy I wish this nonsense would come to an end sometime about these carbon traps.... good video though good luck with the Mustang.
Nothing is better than the stock air box unless you go bigger and then You have to pay for a Tune to do so.... I am not paying a 1000 bucks just for an intake... I Learned that lesson years ago.. And they could have just went with a bigger throttle body and made the same power instead of making 2 more points of failure..
Yep, it wasn't a bottleneck in the Gen 3 either; with the 24s, it isn't a bottleneck x 2. Yet most people will still fall for the marketing hype and waste money on hot air intakes and filters that let tons more abrasive particulates into their engines.
They work just delete carbon traps is an improvement but I bet throttle body extensions would help;) I have on gen 3 and huge improvement plus nine drive throttle control
The dual factory intakes look like they already flow a lot of air. I wasn't really expecting much. Maybe run it with no filters to see if that gains anything.
The stock filter flows enough anything gained from a aftermarket or no filter would be a tickle more at most up top. Dont get anyone started about filters or no filters... they tend to get super anal about the microns of dust that should be filter... Have yet to see anyone of them dyno with a HEPA filter lol
@@NXT_LVL Completely agree with the whole filter/no filter microns of dust perspective, BUT . . . I had a daily driver supercharged F150 and I had to replace the MAS twice due to failure due to being "dirty", So the microns can wreak havoc🙃
Its like with all Dynos, yours is yours and the next 10 people have theirs. The difference is which are inflated for the numbers (aka for clicks and views) and which ones are calibrated to actual specs.
Love this man, I’m looking to get a 24’ GT as a daily. That aside tho I lived down the street from your shop, i have a remote tuned genesis g70 that’s rwd, how much would it be for a dyno run, just to see how much power I’m actually putting to the ground.
After after reading a bunch and watching videos, it seems like the most restrictive part of the coyote is the exhaust. I wonder what a set of long tubes would do?
I have people trying to talk me into doing an Intake for my S550 and for $800 plus having to flash the ECU, I am not beat... I am going to save and wait and then take the car to Pro's..
It's so funny because people have to have those intakes, they swear by them and they are really just for looks.. I did powered coated Ingen and Charge piping for my turbo under the Hood of my Juke.. It just looks nice, but it didn't help my tuner make more power.. He Flashed the Same Map he would have used with stock piping...
Great video Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it your test is the same as all the ones l have seen the 24 is consistent l love that about it Ford done a great job with the coyotes keeps getting better and me as a mustang phonetic lm future
@@MustangDad53 driveline power loss. Every car will lose a certain amount of power through their drivetrain. Mid-engine cars usually have the least amount of power loss.
What octane in the car? And did you log the pulls? It definitely breathes much easier with those modifications done no questions about that. If octane was 87 that’s definitely not high enough or even 93 it might not be enough to support the additional airflow
So this right here is like My second reason why I thought the 2 throttle body's was an Over The Top Stupid Move, The Cost of aftermarket intakes, But my Number 1 reason for not liking that dual set up is because its another point of failure.
Doesn't seem worth it to me. The entire reason Ford went to this dual intake setup was to get the flow rates back up WITH the carbon traps that the EPA mandates now.
not sure if resonator will add power... but you know we'll do back to back dyno testing to confirm it :) And the valves are wide open on any and all dyno pulls I do
It's nice to occasionally stumble across an honest video with real-life results in a sea of marketing hype. Well done, Sir.
Thank you!
This type of technical content is 1000 times better than any "gain 20whp now" clickbait type stuff
Thank you!
Thank you for your honest and transparent review and testing.
hey, found this channel thanks to a dealer close by to you.. They just got me a 24' GT and told me about you.. Will be on the lookout for new vids!!
thanks! Let me know if you're interested in lowering springs or any other mods :)
Thanks for the real life video, It's a breath of fresh air. I'm in N/C so I feel your pain as well. (Humid) Videos like this keep things honest. Outstanding!
Thanks for the kind words!
Oct 20. 2024:
Waiting on my 2024 F-150 XL, Reg cab, 4X4 short bed and Whipple installation (now to early November).
This is Good stuff and I subscribed here.
Sounds like "Is 5-6 Hp worth a change to Let's say a K&N set up"?
As long as you can Keep it Straight enough for Safety, you can't accelerate hard enough!"
I will take actual results and knowledge over click bait any day. Be proud not to be a UA-camr. Most of them are just internet poiliticians. Unbiased knowledge is hard to come by these days.
Totally agree... don't be like stankmode and be a mustang nut rider
Love this stuff! Thank you for doing this. Keep it up.
Thanks for the kind words!
Real person behind the camera that's always good, pretty much what I expected 15 to 20 more horsepower
Yep, 15-20 more horsepower...in Minecraft.
I took my s550 to 3 dynos in one day and got within 3 hp .The Coyote is the most consistent engine me and my friends have seen.
I seems that most of the dyno testing has been in high heat. The other issue is how different the results have been on some Dyno tests. One test in REVan Evans U-Tube channel showed a 15 horsepower gain pulling the carbon traps and replacing the factory cone air filters with K&N filters. The biggest gain was mentioned by Steeda. They installed Kooks headers in their Dark Horse and picked up 40 horsepower on their Dyno pull. One final item I came across was a new Hennessy Dark Horse called the H850. An 850 horsepower supercharged Dark Horse. It was basically hidden in their S650 and Dark Horse U-Tube comparison. I clicked "more" on the article that took me to *Hennessy performance* where I found the H850 information.
Steeda wasn't datalogging either and they also messaged me privately to ask about wrench light and limp mode issues they were having. I suspect they were running the car lean inadvertently and when they 'fixed' their issue, magically they picked up big power. We figured that out in a previous video. It's on this channel.
filter and carbon traps are not worth any power IMO based on my personal testing and years of experience with this platform. I wish I was wrong but I don't think I am in this case.
If you add headers to a car and the car starts adding 2-3 degrees on its own, did you pick up 40hp because of the exhaust? or because of the headers?
@@jordanperformance well if the headers are the reason the car is adding more timing I would say it is because of the headers same with the carbon traps if the car is adding timing before of the improved airflow well then the carbon traps are making the power since with them in you lose the power. it is no different from fuel that allows more timing is it the timing increase that makes the power or the fuel.
5-7 is a much more logical number. With the stock system having two large filters, it has to flow very well without any mods. I would do it though. The cost is not an issue compared to other dollars per horsepower.
why change from the stock filters would have been nice to see the results with the stock filter I wouldn't be surprised if the stock filters flowed a bit better.
Palm Beach Dyno literally had a unmeasurable difference, they did gain a few when they left the cover off of the air filter housing and the fans blowing directly on them and I think they had aftermarket filters other than that its unmeasurable ... boy I wish this nonsense would come to an end sometime about these carbon traps.... good video though good luck with the Mustang.
Great video.Thank you. Hopefully more to come soon
Hell yeah brother love the details and technical stuff
Nothing is better than the stock air box unless you go bigger and then You have to pay for a Tune to do so.... I am not paying a 1000 bucks just for an intake... I Learned that lesson years ago.. And they could have just went with a bigger throttle body and made the same power instead of making 2 more points of failure..
You made a 3 horsepower gain which seems realistic. 3 horsepower is still something.
3 hp with up to 2 degrees more timing...where did the power increase come from?
Moral of the story is the intake isnt the bottle-neck in the gen4 coyote process
Yep, it wasn't a bottleneck in the Gen 3 either; with the 24s, it isn't a bottleneck x 2. Yet most people will still fall for the marketing hype and waste money on hot air intakes and filters that let tons more abrasive particulates into their engines.
I’m in Miami FL, wouldn’t mind driving to you and doing some runs dark horse vs GT
We'd love to have you!!
They work just delete carbon traps is an improvement but I bet throttle body extensions would help;) I have on gen 3 and huge improvement plus nine drive throttle control
My hood barely closed with the extension
The dual factory intakes look like they already flow a lot of air. I wasn't really expecting much. Maybe run it with no filters to see if that gains anything.
The stock filter flows enough anything gained from a aftermarket or no filter would be a tickle more at most up top. Dont get anyone started about filters or no filters... they tend to get super anal about the microns of dust that should be filter... Have yet to see anyone of them dyno with a HEPA filter lol
@@NXT_LVL Completely agree with the whole filter/no filter microns of dust perspective, BUT . . . I had a daily driver supercharged F150 and I had to replace the MAS twice due to failure due to being "dirty", So the microns can wreak havoc🙃
Hot - 90 something degrees🤔 I’m north Texas, it’s not hot here until is 110°+ 🤠
Cuz Texas humidity level it’s lower, that makes heat less uncomfortable. Everybody knows FL it’s a swamp
Its like with all Dynos, yours is yours and the next 10 people have theirs. The difference is which are inflated for the numbers (aka for clicks and views) and which ones are calibrated to actual specs.
Love this man, I’m looking to get a 24’ GT as a daily. That aside tho I lived down the street from your shop, i have a remote tuned genesis g70 that’s rwd, how much would it be for a dyno run, just to see how much power I’m actually putting to the ground.
Thank you! 3 back to back dyno pulls is $150. Give me a call at the shop when you're ready and we'll get you sorted! 813-419-4981
After after reading a bunch and watching videos, it seems like the most restrictive part of the coyote is the exhaust. I wonder what a set of long tubes would do?
we'll find out soon!
I have people trying to talk me into doing an Intake for my S550 and for $800 plus having to flash the ECU, I am not beat... I am going to save and wait and then take the car to Pro's..
If you're in the area, come on by and we'll get you well taken care of
It real question is how much WHP are those gaps along the way? True the Max isn't mush better, but those are some good gains along the way.
It's so funny because people have to have those intakes, they swear by them and they are really just for looks.. I did powered coated Ingen and Charge piping for my turbo under the Hood of my Juke.. It just looks nice, but it didn't help my tuner make more power.. He Flashed the Same Map he would have used with stock piping...
Great video. Great comparison.
thank you for watching!
Way to prove the YT liars, bruh! Good detailed information! 👌 Not saying any names but these dude be Click baiting with there BS.
Thank you! Never any clickbait here. Just knowledge backed by years of experience in the industry
Great video Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it your test is the same as all the ones l have seen the 24 is consistent l love that about it Ford done a great job with the coyotes keeps getting better and me as a mustang phonetic lm future
Dude I’m pumped to see this type of stuff. If you ever want to muck about with the f150 5.0 I’m in.
I'll keep it in mind!
On average, the power loss for a manual Mustang is 70hp... so 442whp equals 512hp at the motor.
Not sure what u mean? Why manual loose 70hp?
@@MustangDad53 driveline power loss. Every car will lose a certain amount of power through their drivetrain.
Mid-engine cars usually have the least amount of power loss.
What was the correction factor?
What octane in the car? And did you log the pulls? It definitely breathes much easier with those modifications done no questions about that. If octane was 87 that’s definitely not high enough or even 93 it might not be enough to support the additional airflow
93 octane. Yes we logged it. Follow up video is in link description.
@@jordanperformance Awesome thanks for the reply. Lastly do you have the part # for the k&n filters handy?
@@matt7sixtyRU-1037
if i take these carbon traps off will this void my warranty?
If you are worried about warranty it means you probably should have bought a civic lol😮
@@redstang70 That isn't a logical outlook at all man...
@@burgerbandit3646 never said it was but its still true lol.
@@redstang70 Not in the slightest brother
@burgerbandit3646 agree to disagree.
Awesome video!!!
Dam I really like this car😍
Thank you! I'm a bit partial but I LOVE it myself
Every manufacturer claims HP gains..it’s a billion dollar biz selling aftermarket..Testing always helps separate rumor from fact
Do you guys have the part # for the filters? Not on K&N site yet
R-U 1037 is the part number for K&N. Installed mine 3 days ago.
How do you shut the engine down so quickly once it reaches redline?
push the clutch in. It's not ideal to have the car hanging out at 7000+rpm for extended periods of time with no load on it
It’ll be more of a gain when you can tune it and the throttle bodies aren’t closing 20% lol
What makes you think throttle bodies are closing? They're wide open on all of my logs
Probably makes as much real power as a cold air intake makes on its on.
So around 410 on a mustang dyno. Not bad.
So this right here is like My second reason why I thought the 2 throttle body's was an Over The Top Stupid Move, The Cost of aftermarket intakes, But my Number 1 reason for not liking that dual set up is because its another point of failure.
No filter may have been interesting…
Doesn't seem worth it to me. The entire reason Ford went to this dual intake setup was to get the flow rates back up WITH the carbon traps that the EPA mandates now.
Video is so long because of alot of junk material.. took you over 1 minute to get out the car and show the initial results 😬 informative video though
you aint lyin! Thanks for watching!
So that adds 7 hp plus a x pipe with resinator delete that adds another 3 hp plus open valves that’s another 5 hp lol
not sure if resonator will add power... but you know we'll do back to back dyno testing to confirm it :)
And the valves are wide open on any and all dyno pulls I do
More - is better than the same or none … what do they say ? They all say the same shit is what they say, obnoxious
2024 is a fucking Dud…Sorry Ford
tunes are coming for sure, they will be extreme beasts