Sunday Silence was the king. He went on to be a foundation sire in Japan. Virtually no achieving thoroughbred there does not carry his genes. Our loss was their gain.
I am sure there would have been an objection lodged if there were any chance to have him set down. Sunday Silence was pinched off by the two leaders and had to go wide, otherwise, he might have won more decisively.
Easy Goer 1, SS 3 is the legal, moral, ethical score & the only one that counts legally, morally & ethically, & is in the legal, moral, ethical record books. The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs, & that is why the legal, moral, ethical score is Easy Goer 1 SS 3 AND THAT IS TOTALLY TRUE IT STILL STANDS IN THE RECORD BOOKS AND WILL NEVER BE CHANGED
@@sigscorpion9275 Alex Harthill told all how & why the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence beat the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer by the slimmest of margins in a few races. Harthill said, "You can only REVERE the horses (Easy Goer, etc) whom my horses (Sunday Silence, etc) defeated even more, to do all they (Easy Goer, etc) were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short (Easy Goer, etc) of horses (Sunday Silence, etc) who had been given performance-enhancing drugs (Sunday Silence, etc) by myself." It's the truth based on Alex Harthill's voluntary admission to DRF Hovdey in 2001, plus all of the 88-90 DRF & FIGS Forms; 2012 NY Post article titled "The 11 horse who missed out on Triple Crown at Belmont" found on the web; DRF's Mike Watchmaker, Ed Fountaine & Paul Moran; Wikipedia articles with many reliable sources cited; 2 Claiborne Farm books; KY Law; NY Law; DRF, Bloodhorse & Thor. Record/Times; & mounds more. 120% TRUTH. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer cremated the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence when ss was forced to run drug-free without any drugs in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well. "Kentucky Derby Doctor Alex Harthill Reveals Disgraceful Past: Harthill Reflects on Unlawful Life's Work. Harthill Discloses He Administered Forbidden Performance-Enhancing Drugs To Many American Classic Winners In The Kentucky Derby, Preakness And Breeders' Cup Classic." How about the Belmont Stakes & the enormous amount of the other major G1 stakes races in New York? How about when the Breeders Cup took place in NY? Harthill was barred in NY. NY also was the only state in the entire country during that era which banned all drugs. NY also had the most advanced out-of-competition, training & raceday testing, & tested for an enormous amount of drugs. DRF 2001 Jay Hovdey: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me (Jay Hovdey/DRF) how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he Publicly Acknowledged Doing So many times. Harthill said, 'I (Harthill) was used for horses (Sunday Silence, etc) pointing for, & running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS & had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses (Sunday Silence, etc) I helped WITH DRUGS IN THEIR CAREERS. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses (Sunday Silence, etc) a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, Don't get me caught, but keep me worried. Even though a horse is 5 or 7 times larger than humans, the amount of dope needed to have an effect is so small. An amount on the tip of a match would be enough to flick up a horse's nose to get a spectacular result. By the time they got my horses to the starting gate they’d be leaping out of their skin. I administered illegal drugs throughout my career that INCREASED the performances of racehorses IN CLASSIC RACES, & almost all of the time I did so, my horses won. You can only revere the horses (Easy Goer, etc) whom my horses (Sunday Silence, etc) defeated even more, to do all they (Easy Goer, etc) were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short (Easy Goer, etc) of horses (Sunday Silence, etc) who had been given performance-enhancing drugs (Sunday Silence, etc) by myself. By doing so, I acknowledge that I effectively stole a large amount of money in my career, & cheated many other horses, trainers, owners & riders I competed against. Nonetheless, I consider my extensive doping as a mark of pride.' "
140 years and we cann't get a better race than this between two truly outstanding champions. Joe Hirsch - "A classic classic! Everyone will remember the 1989 Preakness and its remarkable stretch duel as long as they live. Sunday Silence and Easy Goer were generosity personified as they battled. No quality of the Thoroughbred is more admired by racing men than courage, and these two outstanding horses gave everything they had in the Preakness. There was a winner, but there was no loser." "In a duel for the ages, the two greats joined battle, they bounded cheek by jowl to the wire. While picking up another cross on his reins, jockey Pat Day appeared to grab too much right line canting Easy Goer's head to the right, & in the end perhaps costing him the race by the flare of a nostril." - Bill Nack. "The two greats even changed leads in unison at the top of the stretch. They ran side by side, head to head, so close together they were brushing again & again, with Easy Goer also brushing the rail and dangerously close to it. A jewel of a duel by a snout."- Sports Illustrated
McGaughey said that he was reminded even though the aspirin bute would be given THREE DAYS before a race, KY law absurdly still listed the horses as being given the aspirin bute in the actual race 3 days later on race-day. McGaughey did NOT say that he gave the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute in the BCC at Gulfstream in Florida, & not in the Swale Stakes in Florida, & not in the Preakness in Maryland. McGaughey said he did not give the asprin bute in the Preakness. McGaughey also said that he was reminded even though the aspirin bute would be given THREE DAYS before a race, KY law absurdly still listed the horses as being given the aspirin bute in the actual race 3 days later on race-day. When did KY correct this? 93'. Go look up here on the web of every KY Derby race chart starting from 1993 to 2020, & you will see NOT ONE horse listed as being given the aspirin bute (B) in every Derby. Why? KY did not ban the aspirin bute in 93 & going forward, but because the KY law was/is that the aspirin bute is only permitted to be given 1 to 3 days (2 days was/is the standard) before a race, or 24 to 72 hours before race (48 hours was/is the standard), it was/is incorrect, erroneous & absurd to list horses as being given aspirin bute for races on race-day, nor being on aspirin bute for races on race-day. No wonder why sunday silence was given the potent performance enhancing diuretic drug Furosemide, Banamine (5 times more powerful than the aspirin bute), acetylsalicylic acid, meclofanemic acid, & Naproxen in 13 of his 14 career races; all of these drugs were allowed to be given 4 HOURS before a race, while the aspirin bute was only allowed to be given 1 to 3 days before a race (2 days was/is the standard). No wonder why the banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill gave sunday silence the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. You can be damn sure that both EG & SS both ran drug-free without any drugs (& without ss's banned illegal criminal vet Harthill as well) when running in the Belmont in NY because NY was the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Harthill as well. McGaughey ALSO stated, "Easy Goer had these issues, but he had such an outstanding way of going that he'd glide so smoothly. The issues didn't really bother him, he was so muscular, strong and competitive, he'd run through brick walls, and I never ran him on any medications. He never needed them." Claiborne Farm said, "One of the many claims to fame for Easy Goer is, in an era of vast legal and illegal drug use, he ran his entire career drug-free in 20 starts for a total of well over 20 miles of racing. From the day he was born, Easy Goer had a clubfoot, a crooked turned-out left knee, bad grapefruit sized ankles and knees, but he made up for it all by his exceptional balance, action and stride, and never ran on any drugs." When McGaughey himself is quoted directly in two 90's Claiborne Farm books, KY Law, all official DRF & FIGS Form papers, Claiborne Farm, Bloodhorse, Thoroughbred Record, DRF, etc., & all (all are reliable sources & all intimately familiar with DRF publications) say that EG ran drug-free & was never given any medications (including the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute) or drugs (race-day medications/drugs) within a minimum of 24 hours (1 Full Day; & most likely 48 hours or 2 days because 48 hours or 2 days was/is the standard) of any race in his career, it means EG did not run or race on any drugs; & they are all 100% correct. EG was never given any medications (including the aspirin bute) or drugs on race-day (within a minimum of 24 hours or 1 Full Day & most likely 48 hours or 2 days because 48 hours or 2 days was/is the standard) of any race in his career. EG also was never given any performance enhancing drugs in his career. Back in the 80's, KY erroneously & incorrectly listed horses as being on (given) bute on race-day, even though they were only permitted by KY law to be given bute 1 to 3 days before a race, 24 to 72 hours before a race, & a minimum of 1 day or 24 hrs before a race. Yet, the diuretic & painkiller drugs Hydrochlorothiazide, Etacrynic Acid, Torasemide, & Furosemide, as well as Banamine, Acetylsalicylic Acid, Meclofanemic Acid & Naproxen were/are allowed to be given within 4 hours of a race, yet KY only listed horses being given Furosemide. "In the 1980's KY law only allowed the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory bute to be given a MINIMUM of at least 24 hours, a FULL DAY, before a race, and up to 72 hours, three days, before a race, but not within 24 hours of a race, not on race-day of a race. However, the diuretic & painkiller drugs Hydrochlorothiazide, Etacrynic Acid, Torasemide, & Furosemide, as well as Banamine, Acetylsalicylic Acid, Meclofanemic Acid & Naproxen all are allowed to be given within 4 hours of a race."
Horse racing wrongs on their website says, "FOIA info indicates ABOUT 6 horses die racing or training in the US EVERY DAY. The 1119, 1141 and 1167 numbers of yearly HRW FOIA deaths could easily and reasonably be doubled, leaving us well in excess of 2,000 deaths." Yes, ABOUT 6. 1119 ÷ 365 = 3.06. 3.06 × 2 = 6.13
Unreal. These two overwhelmingly sensational champions, Easy Goer and Sunday Silence, each had the lead at about five or six different points in this race. Maybe more. Backstretch, second turn, top of the stretch, then through the home stretch a few times back and forth. It doesn't count, but after the finish line when the race was over, Easy Goer was back in front. That's breathtaking to have that many lead changes. What a race. Eight lengths is a big difference between a nose with each horse having the lead at five or six different points through the race, but a win is a win no matter the margin. It counts just the same. What a race between two sensational horses.
One of the best of all times races I had ever seen, I remember the race watching live on my sofa in LOUISVILLE KY. Just few couple of weeks after KY Derby win. Buitifull school memory. 1989 cannot be forgotten.
Both Easy Goer and Sunday Silence are underrated to me. They came from the largest foal crop ever of over 50,000 foals, plus other competitors from other huge foal crops in the 1980's. Easy Goer and Sunday Silence most likely denied the other immortality, as both horses most likely would have been immortal Triple Crown winners if not for the other.
I think as time goes by Easy Goer will get his due as it is starting to happen..He consistently ran faster then horses such as Buckpasser, Slew, Alydar- Affirmed, Damascus, Citation, Whirlaway, Gallant Man, and his track records and near track Records plus Amazingly consistent Beyers and Rags confirm that...as and Individual Horse he was a Freak but human error did him no favors..
Enough said? Nothing more needs to be said? Not, wrong. That is like saying that Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor & nothing more needs to be said. Not, wrong. That is like saying that Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple & nothing more needs to be said. Not, wrong. That is like saying that Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce & nothing more needs to be said. Not, wrong. That is like saying that Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom & nothing more needs to be said. Not, wrong. Ditto Damascus 2/ Dr Fager 2, Akureyri 3 / Pleasant Colony 1, Billy Kelly 8/ Sir Barton 4, Formal Gold 4 / Skip Away 2, and an endless amount of others that were not "enough said or nothing more needs to be said" examples. Neither this example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY LIMITED number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish "consistency" on a statistical basis. Better is totally subjective. Easy Goer ran many many races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications, showing who had a "big heart." SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. SS held the slight 3-1 edge in those races; those are facts. Who was better? Better is totally subjective. Many many greats were behind or tied on the head to head scoreboard - Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Skip Away, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, Round Table, Ancient Title, John Henry, Shuvee, Sir Barton among many others were behind or tied in head to heads. Who was better though? Better, like beauty is totally subjective. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads with other examples being: 1) Noor beat HOF champ Citation in 4 of 5 races head to head. 2) Beau Purple beat HOF champ Kelso in 3 of 4 races head to head. 3) Big Spruce & Wajima beat HOF champ Forego in 2 of 3 races head to head. 4) Damascus beat Dr Fager in 2 of 4 races head to head. Swaps and Nashua were 1 to 1 head to head. 5) Mehmet & Interco beat John Henry in 2 of 3 races. 6) Darby Creek Road also beat HOF champ John Henry in 3 of 3 races. 7) Cabrini Green also beat John Henry in 4 of 4 races. 8) Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand in 3 races. 9) Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champ Sir Barton in 8 of 12 races. 10) Formal Gold beat HOF champ Skip Away in 4 of 6 races. 11) Star of Cozzene beat HOY Kotashaan in 3 of 4 races. 12) Pretense beat HOF champ Native Diver 5 times. 13) Summer Squall beat champion Unbridled in 4 of 6 races head to head. 14) Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday in 3 of 3 races. 15) Clem beat HOF champion Round Table 3 times. 16) Crystal Water beat HOF champion Ancient Title 4 times. 17) Akureyri beat champion Pleasant Colony in 3 of 4 races. 18) Gallant Bloom beat Shuvee in 4 of 5 races, etc etc. Justice's rankings, while objective, are flawed. Timeform (both EG & SS with 137 Timeform ratings), DRF, Racing Post ratings, Bloodhorse, Thoroughbred Times, Sports Illustrated, Associated Press, etc etc, are all subjective & flawed. The point is who was better in any way is totally subjective.
Fbanz96 by the jockey, not the horse;) , meanwhile Easy Goer Destroyed him in the Belmont Stakes won more Races than he did and has more 120+ Beyers and Track records than he does, Enough Said;)
Wow, this has to be one of the top few races of all time. Easy Goer and Sunday Silence were both as unyielding, willful, tenacious, unwavering, and as fierce as can be. Neither gave way in this absolutely fantabulous battle. The heart of two champions on full display. Spellbinding.
+sl7293 There are many ways a person can put it. You can put it that way. You can also put it this way: Easy Goer lost the Preakness by a nose to Sunday Silence, or Sunday Silence won by a nose over Easy Goer. The same way that others won or lost by a nose. You can also put it another way: Easy Goer's nose "yielded and gave way" and he lost by a nose. The same way that others nose's "yielded and gave way" when losing by a nose. You can also put it this way: Both Easy Goer and Sunday Silence were unyielding, willful, fierce, tenacious and unwavering, while Sunday Silence won the nose-bob and got his nose on the wire inches ahead of Easy Goer. Much the same way that Exceller and Seattle Slew were unyielding, willful, fierce, tenacious and unwavering in the Jockey Club, while Exceller won the nose-bob and got his nose on the wire inches ahead of Slew. Much the same way Jaipur and Ridan, Victory Gallop and Real Quiet in the Belmont, Dark Star and Native Dancer in the Derby, Gun Bow and Kelso in the Woodward, Mr. Right and Damascus in the Woodward, Fort Marcy and Damascus in the DC Int'l, Majestic Prince and Arts and Letters, Blame and Zenyatta, Tomy Lee and Sword Dancer, Foolish Pleasure and Forego, Forty Niner and Seeking the Gold, Akureyri and Pleasant Colony, Precisionist and Greinton, Skip Away and Cigar, Meadow Star and Lite Light in the Mother of all Gooses Mother Goose, Fraise and Sky Classic, Noor and Citation in the San Juan, Rosemont and Seabiscuit in the Big Cap, and many others were unyielding, willful, fierce, tenacious and unwavering in nose to nose battles and or races decided by a nose.
The aspirin bute 6 days? The dosage of the aspirin bute given a minimum of 24 hours to 72 hours before (48 hours was/is the standard) a race was/is a 0.9-gram to 1.8-gram dose. If 0.9 grams of aspirin bute was given 24 hours before a race & a horse's post-race test, or if 1.8 grams of bute were given 48 hours before testing, what is the amount of bute actually remaining in the horse 24 to 48 hours post-administration? The half-life of bute in the horse is about 7.22 hours. This means that every 7.22 hours the amount of bute in the horse (& the horse's bloodstream) decreases by 50%. Dr Tom Tobin of Gluck Equine Research Center, has performed extensive research on the metabolism of aspirin bute, & reports that with a half-life of 7.22 hours, 90% of the bute remaining in the horse will be metabolized (gone from the horse) at the end of each day (24 hrs). In the first 24 hours, the amount of bute in the horse decreases by 90%. After another 24 hours, an additional 90% of the bute remaining in the horse is metabolized (gone from the horse). The horse now has only 1% of the original dose left in the system. This is what is present in the entire horse, including all its tissues, not just the bloodstream. The amount of bute in the bloodstream will be even lower. Easy Goer was never given any medications (including the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute) or drugs (race-day medications/drugs) within a minimum of 24 hours (1 Full Day) of any race in his career. EG was never given any medications (including the aspirin bute) or drugs on race-day (within a minimum of 24 hours or 1 Full Day) of any race in his career. EG also was never given any performance enhancing drugs in his career.
What a great race,What a great horse SS is !!! He came to Japan and changed Japanese horse racing.I deeply love and proud of him.A lot of thanx ,Sunday Silence
Amazing. In almost one hundred and fifty years of Preakness history, not one Thoroughbred ran the mile fraction faster than the 1:34 1/5, or 1:34.20, of Easy Goer and Sunday Silence in this race. Amazing. The 1:09 3/5 fraction also was sizzling. The blistering midrace pace and monumental moves cost both dearly in the final furlong. It was an unsustainable pace for both. What made it unsustainable for both was not merely looking at the blistering fractions alone, but both horses monumental moves produced into the teeth of the blistering fractions. Easy Goer ran an inordinately and exceedingly rapid move into the teeth of the blistering fractions down the backside. Sunday Silence ran an inordinately and exceedingly rapid move into the teeth of the blistering fractions on the second turn. Both of these horses fractions and monumental moves reflect two amazing champions. Considering the blistering, unsustainable midrace pace, both horses monumental moves into the teeth of blistering fractions, and final time, both ran remarkable races.
sl7293 I never claimed that Easy Goer and Sunday Silence's sizzling fractions, monumental moves made into the teeth of blistering fractions, and amazing performances in this race were more impressive, more amazing or more remarkable than Secr., Louis or any other horse. I said both amazing champions ran remarkable races. I'd add what may have have been unsustainable for S.S. and E.G. on this day, may have been sustainable for them on other days, as well as other horses on other days. Perfectly fine with me if you feel that Secr., Louis or any other horse ran more remarkable, more amazing, more impressive, etc. races.
sl7293 It still is amazing that only one Thoroughbred (Secretariat) in the almost one hundred fifty year history of the Preakness, MAY have run the mile fraction faster than Easy Goer and Sunday Silence in 1:34 1/5.
@@phippsstable1159 Easy Goer 1, SS 3 is the legal, moral, ethical score & the only one that counts legally, morally & ethically, & is in the legal, moral, ethical record books. The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs, & that is why the legal, moral, ethical score is Easy Goer 1 SS 3 AND THAT IS TOTALLY TRUE IT STILL STANDS IN THE RECORD BOOKS AND WILL NEVER BE CHANGED
Point me to one link that claims Harthill stated that he gave Lil E Tee ILLEGAL drugs in the 92 KY Derby. Harthill admitted that he gave illegal blood-building drugs to Lil E Tee in the 92 Derby. Harthill mentioned this in the book "The Longest Shot: Lil E. Tee & the Kentucky Derby", by John Eisenberg. Why doesn't every publication (or even a few) on/off the web mention this about Lil E Tee's 92 Derby?
Probably was the greatest race of all time, or at least one of them. These two terrific greats going snout to snout in a race that merited a dead heat. It exemplified and demonstrated what great all around courage, bravery and resolution these two strikingly gifted, skillful and remarkable horses displayed.
Gives me goosebumps every time!. Not just because of 2 beautiful horses giving it all they've got, but Dave Johnsons' incredible call always gets me! AND DOWN THE STRETCH THEY COME!!!!
Easy Goer had just as much trouble. Easy Goer got bumped numerous times by Valenzuela and SS around the turn and throughout the entire home stretch. Easy Goer had major trouble coming out of the gate. Pull up? That's wrong. In the Derby Easy Goer was cut off and shut off by Northern Wolf [who's jockey got suspended}. SS had to steady but he was not shut off or cut off. There are two videos to see this. The first one is the 1989 Belmont Stakes - Easy Goer: Full ABC Broadcast video. Go to the 11 minute point of the video to watch the full head-on video of the backside run of the Preakness. It actually was Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela who actually was the one who floated EG very wide [8 or 9 wide] towards the barns on the back-side, and by trapping him and knocking him in very tight to the rail afterwards on the turn [so bad that Houston had to check] and thru the stretch. The full backside video doesn't show Pat ron franklin-esque Day shutting off or cutting off Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela. The other video is the "Arthur Hancock on Sunday Silence" video uploaded by Blood-Horse. Interesting also to note that Silence's owner Arthur Hancock assumed, like most others, that Pat Day did. However, on the 'Arthur Hancock on Sunday Silence' video uploaded here on youtube by Blood-Horse, Hancock even admits he didn't by saying at the 8:50 point of the video, "Easy Goer swept past Sunday Silence, and it looked to me like he might have shut him off. Silence dropped back a length or two, and I said to my wife that Easy Goer just shut us off. That's what I thought looking through my binoculars. But he didn't, he did not, he was far enough out there." Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela did outride Pat ron franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop start Day. So did McCarron for that matter. So did Pincay, Cordero, Stevens, Bailey etc. McGaughey and Day were both pitiful. McGaughey was and is the most conservative trainer of all-time who rarely trained his horses for speed, no matter how much big-time brilliant speed a horse like Easy Goer possessed. Pat ron franklin esque Day was the most tentative, passive, conservative, start-stop rider of all-time. Many of Pat Ron Franklin esque Day's rides on Easy Goer, Forty Niner, Seeking the Gold, Sky Classic, Turkoman, Heavenly Prize, Rampage, Timber Country, Menifee, Surfside, Java Gold, etc were Ron Franklin - esque! Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it. Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, inside, outside, back inside, back outside. Better or superior is definitely subjective. Having acknowledged that: Take nothing away from Sunday Silence as he was a great horse, but Easy Goer was a superior, greater, better, stronger and faster horse; Pat Valenzuela and Chris McCarron were better jockeys than Pat Day, a.k.a Pat ron franklin-esque Day; and the master trainer Charlie the Bald Eagle Whittingham was a better trainer than Claude Shug McGaughey. Would have been very interesting and great to see Easy Goer if he was trained and or ridden by Woody Stephens, Allen Jerkens, Bob Baffert, Wayne Lukas, Cordero, Bailey, Pincay, Stevens, Romero, Santos etc.
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song, Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Bill Nack, "Two greats joined battle in a duel for the ages, they bounded cheek by jowl to the wire. While picking up another cross on his reins, Pat Day appeared to grab too much right line canting Easy Goer's head to the right, and in the end perhaps costing him the race by the flare of a nostril." SI-"They ran side by side, eye to eye, so close they were brushing again and again, with Easy Goer also brushing the rail, dangerously close. They even changed leads in unison. A jewel of a duel by a snout."
Easy Goer wins that race if not for his head pulling to the right in the last stretch of the race, which would have cost him a touch of forward momentum. Was it something jockey Day did--which Nack suggests--or was it just that Easy Goer was uncomfortable being pinned almost against the rail by Sunday Silence? Or was Day trying to get him away from the rail a bit. Whatever the reason, had he had a bit more room I think Easy Goer would have won this great race.
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"Sunday Silence had been TREATED WITH DRUGS in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness & Breeders' Cup Classic when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't for the Belmont Stakes in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies & debates about drugs, for ALL DRUGS are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the US. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran.
The VOLUNTARY ADMISSION by Alex Harthill in 2001 DRF Hovdey article is crystal clear, staring with the title & subtitles of the DRF Article: 'Kentucky Derby Doctor Alex Harthill Reveals Disgraceful Past: Harthill Reflects on Unlawful Life's Work. Harthill Discloses He Administered Forbidden Performance-Enhancing Drugs To Many American Classic Winners In The Kentucky Derby, Preakness And Breeders' Cup Classic.' How about the Belmont Stakes & the enormous amount of the other major G1 stakes races in New York? How about when the Breeders Cup took place in NY? Harthill was barred in NY. NY also was the only state in the entire country during that era which banned all drugs. NY also had the most advanced out-of-competition, training & raceday testing, & tested for an enormous amount of drugs with a zero tolerance policy - zero amount of any drugs allowed in the system w/o having to quibble about even tiny amounts. Direct verbatim quotes of what Hovdey wrote, & direct verbatim quotes of Harthill: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. Harthill described how he illegally gave Northern Dancer the illegal drug Furosemide in the hours before the Derby in 1964, affirming, 'I got a vet I knew from out of town to come along with me. I told him I was going to turn to the right, & he would go that way & take this syringe down to barn 24, stall 23, & give this to that horse. There would be a guy there called Will. He'd be waiting. So he did it, while the gendarmes followed me.' Other than Northern Dancer, Harthill confirmed that he gave Furosemide to other notable horses, including Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Harthill declared he regularly used illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs, & gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Aside from Sunday Silence, Harthill also asserted that he administered Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, to other top-tier horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Winning Colors, Lil E. Tee, Summer Squall & Black Tie Affair. Harthill also proclaimed that he was proud that he inaugurated the use of Clenbuterol, & regularly used Clenbuterol in the 1980's & 1990's. Harthill also affirmed that a common practice of his was to inject illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated, as well as rubbing heroin on the tongues of horses (but only after it was tested for efficacy by handy addicts). The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he publicly acknowledged doing so many times. The US DEA filed suit against Alex Harthill on 102 charges of possessing & using unusual quantities of these & other drugs. Alex Harthill & drugs have led to the destruction of integrity in racing. Harthill was at the vanguard of giving drugs to horses that were used to vastly enhance their performances, & they were remarkably effective turning good horses into great horses, bad horses into good horses, slower horses into faster horses, horses with no business winning doing so, & causing horses to run far over their heads. Harthill was a vet who had stolen a 30 length lead in the race to discover drugs that would significantly move up racehorses, & Harthill had no hesitancy in using whatever was available. Harthill was a magic man vet practicing the dark arts of racehorse manipulation. Harthill was arrested many times for tampering, bribery & doping horses with drugs. Alex Harthill did more cheating with drugs to win horse races than any vet in history. Harthill bribed state officials to throw away positive drug tests from horses that he had treated, & lost his license in many states. In no other major sport does an owner, coach, trainer or doctor have the ability, through working with several entrants in the same event, to directly affect the outcome. Harthill was a crooked vet who administered these & other performance enhancing drugs to his horses. Harthill was the most important factor in countless outcomes of numerous races. Harthill made Bob Baffert, Rick Dutrow, etc., look like Altar Boys. Harthill said, 'I was used for horses pointing for, & running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS & had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses I helped WITH DRUGS IN THEIR CAREERS. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, Don't get me caught, but keep me worried. Even though a horse is 5 or 7 times larger than humans, the amount of dope needed to have an effect is so small. An amount on the tip of a match would be enough to flick up a horse's nose to get a spectacular result. By the time they got my horses to the starting gate they’d be leaping out of their skin. I administered illegal drugs throughout my career that INCREASED the performances of racehorses IN CLASSIC RACES, & almost all of the time I did so, my horses won. You can only revere the horses whom my horses defeated even more, to do all they were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short of horses who had been given performance-enhancing drugs by myself. By doing so, I acknowledge that I effectively stole a large amount of money in my career, & cheated many other horses, trainers, owners & riders I competed against. Nonetheless, I consider my extensive doping as a mark of pride.' "
Heart: That Joe Hirsch quote was genuine and spot - on. "A classic classic! Everyone in the record crowd - and millions of others who watched on television - will remember the 1989 Preakness and its remarkable stretch duel as long as they live. Sunday Silence and Easy Goer were generosity personified as they battled. No quality of the Thoroughbred is more admired by racing men than courage, and these two outstanding horses gave everything they had in the Preakness. There was a winner, but there was no loser."
The source is the booklet titled "2014 AAEP Symposiums, Meetings and Convention", and within it there are various articles, topics and studies, one of which is titled "Fatal Injuries and Deaths While Training and Racing of Racehorses in North America from 2008 to 2013" by E. McKerney, J. Wilburn, E. Collar and S.M. Stover. In order to view this on the internet you would have to register with the International Veterinary Information Service [IVIS], and you would also have to be one of eleven listed required veterinary/animal science professions to be able to register. If you are unable to register with IVIS, I'd be more than willing to mail it your PO Box, or take pictures of it and email it to you.
Easy Goer ran 1:53 4/5 for 9.5f in Maryland, ran 2:00 1/5 for 10f in Florida, losing by inches and a neck in these races. Easy Goer also ran the fastest 7 furlongs of the year in Florida in 1989. This is a Hall of Fame champion (SS was also) who didn't have any problem at all with shipping to other states and other tracks. He did specifically despise the quirky, peanut buttery, sticky Churchill mud and seemed to flounder in it being a huge, extremely powerful horse with chronically bad, puffy ankles, though his talent, class and ability landed him 2nd's in those races. Though he won in mud elsewhere. He was among many great horses who hated Churchill, however he never ran over a fast track there. I don't think it was about surfaces or shipping at all. They BOTH had to ship for the 3 TC races and the BC. Easy Goer ran many more races (and ran a much more strenuous post Triple Crown campaign) and also never got beat by more than 2 lengths (also never finishing off the board) in his career. SS had a much less strenuous post Triple Crown campaign. You can also look at the timing, distance and spacing of the so called prep races. Easy Goer ran a record mile in the Gotham, then 2 weeks later won the Wood, then only 2 weeks later the start of the Triple Crown races (5 races in 9 weeks). SS ran his last Derby prep 4 weeks out. EG also ran in the 1 1/2 mile Jockey Club in his 'prep' for the BC. It was most likely to me much more about track circumferences. Easy Goer did win on ALL the track circumferences of USA dirt tracks (1 mile, 1 1/8 mile, 1 1/2 mile). EG was an Undefeated 5 for 5 over 1 1/8 tracks at all distances. SS did not win over all tracks. In fact, SS lost 3 races over 1 1/8 tracks (at his HOME track of Hollywood) and lost his 1 race over a 1 1/2 mile track by 8 lengths. EG's record over mile tracks (4 losses though narrow losses) was very similar to SS's record over 1 1/8 or larger tracks (SS lost 4 races over 1 1/8 or bigger tracks). Based on these facts (EG being undefeated over 1 1/8 mile tracks, while SS lost 3 races over 1 1/8 mile tracks), Easy Goer actually would have had an advantage running against these horses at Hollywood Park (a larger 1 1/8 mile oval) in California. SS would have had an advantage at the smaller Santa Anita track in Cal. Easy Goer also would have had an advantage running over 1 1/8 mile tracks, regardless of state or region, in: Florida (Hialeah Park), Chicago (Arlington Park, where they were supposed to meet at age 4), Hollywood (California), Atlantic City (NJ), Saratoga (NY), Aqueduct (NY), Laurel Park (Maryland), Keeneland (KY), Ellis Park (KY), Colonial (Va.), Belmont (NY), and the current Gulfstream in Florida is also NOW a larger 1 1/8 mile oval. SS would have had an advantage of running against EG in NY if they ran at the mile oval in Finger Lakes.
Ariel Dovid Easy Goer was a terrific colt but he faced his nemesis in the 4 biggest races of the year all grade 1s at 4 different tracks in four different states and the score was 3-1 in favor of Sunday Silence, I don't know how this is even debatable.
Robert Jordan Are you serious. It's very very very easily debatable. Both were brilliant Hall of Fame champions. 4 races are a very small sample. Easy Goer was inches away (Preakness) from it being an even, level 2 to 2 score. Easy Goer also had a superior career resu'me and accomplished & achieved more in his career. It's as easily debatable as these 'scores' between rivals (as Delclub points out) - Noor 4-1 over Citation. Beau Purple 3-1over Kelso. Damascus 2-2 with Dr. Fager. Nashua/Swaps. Akureyri 3-1 over Pleasant Colony. Big Spruce 2-1 over Forego. Mehmet 2-1 over John Henry. Formal Gold 4-2 over Skip Away. Summer Squall 4-2 over Unbridled. Billy Kelly 8-4 over Sir Barton. Star o Cozzene 3-1 over Kotashaan. The list may be infinite. Who was greater is intuitive and easily debatable among ALL.
anhell32 Not 'period' at all. As if the ONE Bloodhorse list is authoritative, true and correct? Not at all. The ONE B.h. list is subjective, intuitive and non objective, as are all lists. Lists of greats? Charlie Justice ranked Easy Goer the number two greatest three year old of all time behind only secretariat in his mathematical, statistical list (based on numerous factors). And Ahead of Buckpasser, Slew, Affirmed, Bid, Sunday, Damascus, Citation, etc. If the daily racing form, timeform, racing post, sports illustrated, associated press, thoroughbred times, etc etc also made lists, I am sure they would rank horses differently (many of them). Who was greater (or better) is very debatable and subjective. Since this one B.h. list also ranked Buckpasser narrowly ahead of Damascus, ranked Bid narrowly ahead of Affirmed, ranked Slew narrowly ahead of Affirmed, ranked Swaps narrowly ahead of Nashua, ranked Man O' War ahead of Secretariat, ranked War Admiral ahead of Seabiscuit, ranked Majestic Prince ahead of Arts and Letters, ranked Round Table narrowly ahead of Bold Ruler, etc, this makes it true, correct and authoritative? Not at all. They are all very debatable, subjective, and intuitive.
sl7293 I have no problem or disagreement with what you found out about his study. I also never looked into it deeply. It looks like you did look into it deeply. The only point I was making was to the person who said, 'he was ahead on the Blood-horse list of greats, 3 to 1 period.' My point was simply: Charles Justice's list is also subjective on where he ranked whom. Obviously he ranked Easy Goer ahead of Sunday Silence as 3 year olds, and high on his list of 3 year olds & 'better' than many top horses. Justice is not any more authoritative, true or correct than the Blood-horse seven member panel. The ONE Blood- horse list (seven member panel) does not mean it is authoritative, true and correct about any horse being better than another. Not at all. The ONE B.h. list is subjective, intuitive and non objective, as are all lists. I respect their opinion on ranking horses where they did, and who they ranked ahead of who. But if the daily racing form, timeform, racing post, sports illustrated, associated press, thoroughbred times, etc etc also made lists ranking the top 100 horses, I am sure they would rank horses differently. Who was greater (or better) is very debatable and subjective. Since this one B.h. list also ranked Buckpasser narrowly ahead of Damascus, ranked Bid narrowly ahead of Affirmed, ranked Slew narrowly ahead of Affirmed, ranked Swaps narrowly ahead of Nashua, ranked Man O' War ahead of Secretariat, ranked War Admiral ahead of Seabiscuit, ranked Majestic Prince ahead of Arts and Letters, ranked Round Table narrowly ahead of Bold Ruler, etc, this makes it true, correct and authoritative as to who was better? Not at all. They are all very debatable and subjective.
Easy Goer and Sunday. Two of the best. Forced out wide, then Easy Goer, with that very rash,early, precipitative, solid bold burst of speed, like a shot. Then geared down, & wedged in tightly, leaned on & carried in, & boxed & pinned on rail. Then directed to look at his rival. Amazing race. Both fought with fortitude,vigor and very tenaciously.
People who saw Hovdey's article & wrote about it DID mention this & other facts. Why did they only focus on Harthill's illegal administration of the diuretic Furosemide to ND & Harthill's introduction & illegal administration & use of Clenbuterol in the 1980's? Perhaps, because these 2 drugs became the most widely used, most popular, most influential drugs, among numerous other drugs, used. In the Natalie Voss 1/15/2020 article titled, "When It Comes To Lasix (Furosemide) And Federal Legislation, Horse Racing Has Been Here Before," Voss states, "Controversial veterinarian Alex Harthill ADMITTED to using furosemide on Fear A Bit, a runner on the undercard of the 1974 Kentucky Derby , at about 2 p.m. on race day. The horse ran significantly better than he had in his past several starts and officials wanted to know why." That's incorrect & also 10 years after Harthill admitted to Hovdey that he illegally gave the illegal drug to ND. Why didn't Voss mention that, Harthill, in his infamous cloak & dagger doping scheme story, admitted to Hovdey that he illegally gave the illegal diuretic drug to the famous horse Northern Dancer in the actual Derby in 1964 a FULL TEN years prior to an UNKNOWN horse named Fear a Bit?? Did Voss NOT want to denigrate the famous Northern Dancer (& his trainer), & so instead only mentioned an unknown horse who ran the undercard a full 10 years later? And no mention of the famous horses (& trainers) Harthill treated in the actual 1974 Derby itself. Did Voss NOT want to denigrate the famous horses (& trainers) who ran in the 1974 Derby? By the same token, Harthill also admitted he gave the same illegal diuretic diuretic drug Furosemide to other famous horses Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Why didn't Voss & others mention these other famous horses (& trainers)? Perhaps, Voss didn't want to denigrate these other famous horses & trainers? Perhaps, because Furosemide became so popular, influential & legal in every state except NY? Perhaps, because ND was the most famous, or the cloak & dagger illegal doping scheme? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey of illegally giving the famous SS the illegal ped drug Clenbuterol (plus the other 2 drugs). Harthill also admitted to Hovdey that he gave the illegal drug Clenbuterol to other famous 80's horses Ferdinand [Whittingham], Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Unbridled, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Lil E Tee, Black Tie Affair, etc. Why did another article (s) only mention that Harthill introduced Clenbuterol in the ‘80s & trainers who knew (or used) Harthill benefited greatly, with no mention of any of the 80's horses? Perhaps, they also did not want to denigrate SS (& his trainer) & these other 80's horses & their trainers? Direct evidence, voluntary admission (nothing more factual than a voluntary admission) & direct quotes from the DRF/Hovdey article: "Sunday Silence's veterinarian Alex Harthill, toward the end of his life, was BOLD ENOUGH to TELL ME (Hovdey) how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, including Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine to Sunday Silence. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in enhancing his horses performances. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol regularly in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING using it on Sunday Silence. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it to Sunday Silence, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. The drug Clenbuterol has a similar effect on the body as Epinephrine & Amphetamines by increasing the production of Epinephrine & Noradrenaline, & thus significantly enhancing performance. Clenbuterol also thins blood & widens the vessels that carry oxygen, so the volume of oxygen in the blood increases, & thus significantly increases energy, & thus significantly enhances performance. Clenbuterol is an extraordinary drug with two completely different effects that dramatically & greatly enhance performance, & significantly enhance speed, stamina, endurance, lung capacity & energy levels; it greatly aids breathing by significantly expanding the air passages in the lungs letting air flow much more freely, & it dramatically reduces body fat by causing rapid fat burning. The drug Clenbuterol performed miracles for horses who made inexplicable improvements with major enhancements in performance. Some of Harthill's other drugs that he administered to Sunday Silence (& other horses) were Etorphine & Sublimaze. Etorphine is an Opiate 80,000 Times More Powerful than Morphine. Sublimaze is a potent narcotic. Both are drugs that give horses such a sense of euphoria & well-being that they feel like they don’t have legs."
"Easy Goer and Sunday Silence were the other's double. The two were as close as the fingers of a fist. Both were the living embodiment of what people said when asked which gunfighter was faster: "I’d hate to have to live on the difference." "In the Preakness and Breeders' Cup Classic, rider Pat Day moved down the backside - and then he Remembered he was Pat Day - and then when Day folded up, Day allowed Sunday Silence back in the race. Day moved, and then he gave it back." "In the Preakness, while picking up another cross on his reins, jockey Pat Day appeared to grab too much right line canting Easy Goer's head to the right, and in the end perhaps costing him the race by the flare of a nostril. A classic classic! Everyone will remember the 1989 Preakness and its remarkable stretch duel as long as they live. Sunday Silence and Easy Goer were generosity personified as they battled. No quality of the Thoroughbred is more admired than courage, and these two outstanding horses gave everything they had in the Preakness. There was a winner, but there was no loser. In a duel for the ages, the two greats joined battle, they bounded cheek by jowl to the wire. The two greats even changed leads in unison at the top of the stretch. They ran side by side, head to head, so close together they were brushing again and again, with Easy Goer also brushing the rail and dangerously close to it. A jewel of a duel by a snout."
There's no question that Sunday Silence & Easy Goer were both tremendously gifted thoroughbreds and they both brought out the best in each other. Because Sunday Silence won 3 of the 4 head to head meetings I think many racing historians remember him as having been the better horse now. But I would submit that had Easy Goer overcame the 6 inch loss in the Preakness that it would've been the other way around. You would've had Sunday Silence with a Kentucky Derby & BC Classic win and Easy Goer with a Preakness & Belmont Stakes win head to head. But beyond their head to head meetings it wasn't even close. The other major wins of Sunday Silence career outside of his 3 wins against Easy Goer were the G1 Santa Anita Derby & G2 Super Derby. But what Easy Goer accomplished outside of his head to head meetings against Sunday Silence has never before or since been accomplished by any horse, winning the G1 Travers Stakes, G1 Whitney Handicap, G1 Woodward Stakes, & G1 Jockey Club Gold Cup in the same season right after he'd just finished the Triple Crown grind. If Easy Goer overcomes the 6 inch defeat in this race history remembers these 2 horses vastly different head to head, IMO.
This is the stupidness. Horse conversation. I hear if if if. E.g. had a better racing career.but as was a better horse. Simple 3 out of 4. No argument in that
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song, Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Did you see Easy Goer's great descendants - 1995 Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies champion My Flag, who also won the CCA Oaks, Ashland, Gazelle and Bonnie Miss; 2002 Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies champion Storm Flag Flying, who also won the Personal Ensign, Frizette, Shuvee and Matron; 2007 Breeders Cup Dirt Mile Champion Corinthian, who also won the Met Mile and Gulfstream Park Handicap; 2018 Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint Champion Bulletin; 1996 and 1997 Travers and Whitney Champion Will's Way; 2004 Cigar Mile Champion Lion Tamer; 2007 French 2000 Guineas Champion Astronomer Royal; 2006 Irish 2000 Guineas and St James's Palace Champion Araafa; 2013 Breeders Cup Marathon Champion London Bridge; 1999 Ballerina and Distaff Champion Furlough; Shuvee and Coaching Club American Oaks Champion Funny Moon; Molly Pitcher Champion Relaxing Rhythm; Jim Dandy winner Composer; Blue Grass Stakes winner Monba; Ogden Phipps Handicap Champion Tiz Miz Sue; Florida Derby and Holy Bull Stakes Champion Audible; Yellow Ribbon, Gamely, Del Mar Oaks Champion Magical Fantasy, and many others.
Great Genetics have definitely moved on to new generations for Easy Goer and Sunday Silence. The influence of Easy Goer and Sunday Silence on the breeding of racehorses worldwide is incredible. Easy Goer's grandson Araafa won the Group 1 St. James's Palace Stakes, Group 1 Irish 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's other grandson Astronomer Royal won the Group 1 French 2,000 Guineas, et cetera.
Easy Goer was still perfectly capable of unleashing spectacular moves on the sharper turns, as he did when he romped in the 1989 Swale Stakes at Gulfstream in Florida. Easy Goer was also perfectly capable of staying close to SS on any and every track/track size as he did in all 3 Triple Crown races. Easy Goer had numerous weapons in his arsenal with brilliant natural speed, superb tactical speed, sensational athleticism, great agility and he was very versatile; he could go to the lead dictating pace & race running very fast fractions (Champagne, Suburban, etc); he could stalk, prompt and track up close to very fast pace's (Gotham, Belmont, Preakness, Travers, Cowdin, maiden, etc) dictating race & pace; and he had a devastating turn of foot with extraordinary, explosive, electrifying acceleration. A lot of it also had to do with riding styles/riding strategies and tactics, training/trainers etc. Easy Goer ran so many perennial all timer performances at every distance he ran, 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer had that peerless all timer talent, ability, constitution, speed-stamina combo. There is no way to downplay Easy Goer's numerous all timer performances. From the recent book Ride 2 win by Gary West and the DRF champions book, I quote: "At various points in races, Day would merely 'let' Easy Goer run, not asking him. With the red flash Easy Goer, a request to run was not needed; Day would sit motionless with no encouragement. Easy Goer loved to run, and in an INSTANT, Easy Goer would take off with accelerated BURSTS that were visually STUNNING, reminiscent of moves of other legendary Hall of Fame champions. Easy Goer also would unleash SPECTACULAR moves around turns over bigger, larger turns on bigger, larger tracks." Clearly, Easy Goer had instant acceleration at all points in races. Easy Goer was generally faster on straightaways and larger, bigger turns and larger, bigger tracks. SS was generally faster on sharper, smaller turns on sharper, smaller tracks. Although - as I said - Easy Goer was still capable of unleashing spectacular moves on the sharper turns, as he did when he romped in the Swale Stakes at Gulfstream in Florida. But a lot of it also had to do with riding styles/riding strategies and tactics, training/trainers etc. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses. Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY LIMITED number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
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You are correct. Sunday Silence just gets overlooked but he did win all them big races. Kinda weird. I was 7 when I watched him race. I remember the ky derby Preakness belmont and breeders cup classic.
Direct quotes, direct evidence & voluntary admission (nothing more factual & direct than a voluntary admission) by Alex Harthill to Jay Hovdey in Spring 2001 DRF interview & article. You want the exact date so you can buy the back issue or get it from the Keeneland library?
Here is another from Jim McKay. "The greatest race I ever saw was the Preakness in 1989, when Easy Goer and Sunday Silence went at it. As they came down the stretch, their legs moved in unison as if they were a shadow of one another. Their heads bobbed up and down in unison too. There was absolutely nothing to choose between them. As the two horses came down the stretch, you could almost sense the size of the crowd's roar wasn't for one over the other, but for this pinnacle of competition. The 1989 Preakness Stakes was what a horse race should be. It had a kind of excitement you always hope for but seldom get."
It's unclear to me whether P Val helped or hurt Sunday Silence in this race. It's possible that Sunday Silence would have been more successful if Chris McCarron had been his jockey in all of his races.
Both tremendous horses. Easy Goer-forced out very wide down the backside, then with that very rash, early, precipitative, gigantic & very bold burst of run, catapulting & soaring by like a shot, which was run into the teeth of a very fast pace. Then taken in hand, geared down, grabbed a hold after getting into best stride & passed narrowly. Then came again getting the lead & bumped, leaned on, boxed in, carried in & wedged in very tightly on the fence. Then in very tight & uncomfortable & directed to look his rival in the eye, causing him not to stride properly. Both fought with vigor, tenaciously & with distinction & fortitude in one of the best races ever.
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You can create a new email address that doesn't have any of your personal info, then cancel and close it out afterwards. You justifying this disgustingly abominable and enormously deadly, cruel, immoral, unethical evil is indeed enormously evil, cruel, immoral, unethical and disgustingly abominable. You are totally wrong - it not only is found in the 2014 AAEP booklet and article by McKerney, Wilburn, Collar and Stover, it is also found on the internet at the International Veterinary Information Service [IVIS].
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Pat ron franklin-esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and some others -- like "a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin-esque Day never came to terms with the power at his disposal and how and when to use it." Pat ron franklin esque Day. Outside, inside, back outside, go yield idle go, go yield idle go, outside, inside, back outside.
After a slow start, not sure why Day felt the need to rush him to the front after a 23.3 quarter...but I'll always go back to Day turning the horses head towards Sunday Silence to "show him the competition." Sunday Silence was no slouch and certainly a more than worthy foe, but I'll always believe another jockey wins this race - even Ron Franklin.
In Jay Hovdey's 2001 DRF article, Hovdey states, "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to TELL ME how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze and Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill described how he gave Northern Dancer Furosemide in the hours before the Derby in 1964, affirming, 'I got a vet I knew from out of town to come along with me. I told him I was going to turn to the right, and would he go that way and take this little syringe down to barn 24, stall 23, and give this to that horse. There would be a guy there called Will. He'd be waiting. So he did it, while the gendarmes followed me.' " Hovdey also states that he quoted Harthill verbatim. Perhaps Hovdey's writing style is to mix it up using direct quotes, as well as making direct statements himself without quotes, but they are based on verbatim quotes. In this same Hovdey article on Harthill giving horses illegal performance enhancing drugs, Harthill is directly quoted verbatim declaring, "I was used more than any veterinarian in the country for horses pointing for, and running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS and had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses I helped with drugs in their careers. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, 'Don't get me caught, but keep me worried.' " Hovdey also declares in the article, "Other than Northern Dancer, Harthill confirmed that he gave Furosemide to other notable horses, including Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass and Master Derby. Harthill declared he regularly used illegal amphetamine and stimulant drugs, and gave illegal amphetamine and stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege and Tim Tam. Aside from Sunday Silence, Harthill also asserted that he administered Clenbuterol, Sublimaze and Etorphine, to other top-tier horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Winning Colors, Lil E. Tee, Summer Squall and Black Tie Affair. Harthill also proclaimed that he was proud that he inaugurated the use of Clenbuterol, and regularly used Clenbuterol in the 1980's and 1990's. Harthill also affirmed that a common practice of his was to inject illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated."
@@sigscorpion9275 Sigmund sigscorpion bless his heart he was dead and cremated ~Pat Banned 40 times for drugs Valenzuela~ Pat Banned 40 times for Drugs Valenzuela himself said, "Easy Goer was a Super Horse. In order for ss to even be close to Easy Goer, I had to do any & everything possible. I had to purposely & deviously force EG out as wide as can be down the backstretch & at every other point I could in races; & I had to purposely & deviously bang & push EG in as tight as can be scraping the dead rail. Arazi was the best horse I ever rode. Arazi could do more than sunday silence, and Arazi was a much better horse than sunday silence." Case closed.
"Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT INFERIOR DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE. Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Sunday Silence had been TREATED WITH DRUGS in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness & Breeders' Cup Classic when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't for the Belmont Stakes in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies about drugs, for ALL DRUGS are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the US. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT INFERIOR DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran of DRF, LA Times & Newsday.
Nothing better than two super racehorse's each being in front numerous times throughout most of the entire race and even after the race, and going nose to nose the length of the stretch.
"Sunday Silence had been treated with drugs in the Derby & Preakness when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies & debates about drugs, for all drugs are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the United States. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: No. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with superior horses like Easy Goer, who did not require any drugs to perform at his best, & not drug-reliant horses like Sunday Silence, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran.
@@sigscorpion9275 ONLY lost by the narrowest of margins to a horse ss that had been given the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol (an extraordinarily powerful performance enhancing drug), Sublimaze (an extraordinarily powerful performance enhancing drug; & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute) & Etorphine (an extraordinarily powerful performance enhancing drug; & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute), plus the powerful performance enhancing diuretic drug Furosemide/Lasix (6 length performance enhancement at longer, classic distances) & Banamine (5 times more powerful than aspirin bute), etc etc. Harthill admitted he gave the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine to sunday silence.
@@sigscorpion9275 YEAH ALL FANS OF DRUG-RELIANT HORSES WERE CRYING CAUSE THE DRUG-RELIANT & BANNED ILLEGAL CRIMINAL VET HARTHILL-RELIANT SUNDAY SILENCE HAD TO RUN DRUG-FREE without any drugs, & YES IT WAS NOT A GOOD SPOT FOR ss TO BE IN , AS ss ALWAYS HAD THE PERFECT TRIP SET UP FOR HIM with performance enhancing drugs & smaller 8f sized tracks. BUT when forced to run drug-free without any drugs & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f, THERE WERE NO SPECIAL FAVORS FOR HIM. And ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill, & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f - ss got cremated when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Harthill, & ss LOST 4 races on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f.
@@sigscorpion9275 YEAH ALL FANS OF DRUG-RELIANT HORSES WERE CRYING CAUSE THE DRUG-RELIANT & BANNED ILLEGAL CRIMINAL VET HARTHILL-RELIANT SUNDAY SILENCE HAD TO RUN DRUG-FREE without any drugs, & YES IT WAS NOT A GOOD SPOT FOR ss TO BE IN , AS ss ALWAYS HAD THE PERFECT TRIP SET UP FOR HIM with performance enhancing drugs & smaller 8f sized tracks. BUT when forced to run drug-free without any drugs & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f, THERE WERE NO SPECIAL FAVORS FOR HIM. And ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill, & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f - ss got cremated when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Harthill, & ss LOST 4 races on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8F.
@@sigscorpion9275 THE DRUG-RELIANT & BANNED ILLEGAL CRIMINAL VET HARTHILL-RELIANT SUNDAY SILENCE LOST 5 TIMES when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs. THE DRUG-RELIANT & BANNED ILLEGAL CRIMINAL VET HARTHILL-RELIANT SUNDAY SILENCE LOST 5 TIMES on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f. And ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill, & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f - ss got cremated when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Harthill, & ss LOST 5 races on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f.
Pat Ron Franklin Esque Day (aka Pat Wait All Day, Pat Start Stop Start Stop Start Day, Pat a Day late, Pat Delay Day, Pat so passive & patient he could watch a faucet drip for days Day) himself said, "I was on the far superior, far better horse in Easy Goer, but we lost a few photos to him by the slimmest of margins totally due to rider errors on my part. I had FAR MORE HORSE than I knew what to do with. It was totally my fault." Shug McGaughey said, "Easy Goer was a Better Horse than Sunday Silence. Pat Day got Easy Goer beat. Day waited when he didn't need to wait. We had ss beat & then Day let ss back in the races. Pat Day & I agree that he made riding mistakes. Easy Goer was the better horse than sunday silence. Easy Goer was by far the best horse I ever trained, Easy Goer was the most talented horse I've ever had. Easy Goer's action was so athletic, so natural, so fluid; he glided over the track; he ran blazingly fast & did it so easily. Easy Goer captured the public; he was a brilliantly fast horse, exciting to watch, & he had a great following. I had always dreamed of having a horse like Easy Goer. Easy Goer is by far the best that I've ever had. What Easy Goer did in all races, you just don't see that anymore. Easy Goer wanted to do a lot, all the time. My job - I had a Porsche in Easy Goer - was to not drive it 200 miles an hour every day. My job was just to keep him level, & keep him reserved. He wanted to go. I was very young, very inexperienced & made many mistakes." Pat Banned 40 times for Drugs Valenzuela himself said, "Easy Goer was a Super Horse. In order for ss to even be close to Easy Goer, I had to do any & everything possible. I had to purposely & deviously force EG out as wide as can be down the backstretch & at every other point I could in races; & I had to purposely & deviously bang & push EG in as tight as can be scraping the dead rail. Arazi was the best horse I ever rode. Arazi could do more & was even a much better horse than sunday silence." Pat Banned 40 times for Drugs Valenzuela. "Bless his heart ss was so exhausted ss was practically dead, almost literally dead, without all of his illegal performance enhancing drugs & without his illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill." Charlie Whittingham himself said, "I am very angered that there is only 1 state in the whole country which bans all performance enhancing drugs, which bans all drugs, & also bans the illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill (Harthill admitted to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs [Clenbuterol, Subliamze, Etorphine, etc] to the drug-reliant sunday silence) despite his criminal record (Harthill was arrested numerous times in many states [Kentucky, NY, Illinois, Ohio, Louisiana, etc] for illegally drugging numerous horses). I think ss maybe can be as good as EG, & maybe can be as Great as Easy Goer, but ONLY IF EVERYTHING goes ss's way." Case closed.
You can be damn sure that people & publications who saw Hovdey's article & wrote about it DID mention this & other facts. Some do, some don't. Some publications DON'Teven mention ND & instead erroneously state that Harthill began using the illegal drug a full 10 years later to an unknown horse named Fear a Bit running in an undercard race on Derby day 74. Why did this publication not even mention that Harthill told Rick Arthur in 90' & Hovdey in 01' that he gave the illegal drug to ND? Some publications mention ND, but quote Harthill verbatim from 90' (11 yrs before Hovdey): In the Headless Horsemen book by James Squires, Harthill also admitted in 90' to Rick Arthur that, "It (Furosemide) started with me. I gave Furosemide to Northern Dancer in 1964. (period)." Harthill didn't specify even 1 race, not even the 64 Derby, & he did not specify that he only gave it in the 64 Derby. Why didn't this publication mention that Harthill told Hovdey that he gave the illegal drug to ND specifically in the 64 Derby? Multiple publications mention Harthill's introduction & illegal use of Clenbuterol in the 1980's, & also mention Sublimaze, & mention trainers who knew (or used) Harthill benefited greatly, but don't mention actual names. Harthill also admitted that he gave "routine" illegal blood-building drugs to Lil E Tee in the 92 Derby. Harthill mentioned this in the book "The Longest Shot: Lil E. Tee & the Kentucky Derby", by John Eisenberg. Why doesn't every publication (or even a few) mention this about Lil E Tee's 92 Derby win? Harthill also admitted to Hovdey that he injected illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated, without naming names. Why did they only focus on Harthill's illegal use of the diuretic Furosemide to ND & Harthill's introduction & illegal use of Clenbuterol in the 80's? Perhaps, because these 2 drugs became the most widely used, most popular, most influential LEGAL (BOTH) drugs, among numerous other drugs, used. In the Voss 2020 article titled, "When It Comes To Lasix & Federal Legislation, Horse Racing Has Been Here Before," Voss states, "Controversial vet Alex Harthill ADMITTED to using furosemide on Fear A Bit, a runner on the undercard of the 74 Kentucky Derby , at about 2 p.m. on race day. The horse ran significantly better than he had in his past several starts & officials wanted to know why." That's incorrect & also 10 years after Harthill admitted to Rick Arthur & Hovdey that he gave the illegal drug to ND. Why didn't Voss & her publications mention that Harthill said he gave the illegal drug to ND in the actual Derby in 64 a FULL 10 yrs prior to an UNKNOWN horse who only ran in an undercard race? Did Voss & her publication NOT want to denigrate the famous ND (& his trainer), & so instead only mentioned an unknown horse who ran in an undercard race a full 10 years later? And no mention of the top horses Harthill treated in the actual 74 Derby itself. Did Voss NOT want to denigrate the top horses (& trainers) who ran in the 74 Derby? By the same token, Harthill also admitted he gave the same illegal drug Furosemide to other top horses Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Why didn't Voss & others mention these other top horses? Perhaps, Voss didn't want to denigrate these other top horses & trainers? Perhaps, because Furosemide became so popular, influential & legal in every state except NY? Perhaps, because ND was the most famous, or the illegal doping scheme? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey that he gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Perhaps, the publications didn't want to denigrate these other top horses & trainers? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey of illegally giving SS the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. Harthill also admitted to Hovdey that he gave the same illegal ped drugs to other horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Lil E Tee, & Black Tie Affair. Why did other articles only mention that Harthill introduced Clenbuterol (& mentioned Sublimaze also) in the ‘80s, & trainers who knew (or used) Harthill benefited greatly, with no mention of any of the horses? Why did other articles mention Sublimaze & a test for it only starting in 1979 (but from 79 to 95, the only state that banned it & all other drugs was NY)? Perhaps, they also did not want to denigrate SS & these other horses/trainers? Perhaps, because Clenbuterol became so popular, influential & LEGAL in every state except NY. Why doesn't every publication (or even a few) mention this about all of these horses? Perhaps, some of these people want to portray that Furosemide, Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, etc., are just fine & no big deal, & they don't want to tell the truth & expose this stuff about a sport & industry that employs them. When the racing writer Bill Nack exposed facts about fatal injuries & the use of both legal & illegal drugs, calling both "appalling & unacceptable by any humane standard", many in racing not only turned against Nack as a result, they despised him for it; & Nack's exposure of these facts were NOT cited by every publication, or even a few publications. Perhaps many despise Hovdey, Squires, Eisenberg, Ryan Goldberg & many others for exposing this or parts of it, & others do not want to tell the truth & expose this stuff about a sport & industry that employs them.
What? I don't understand. Even though I don't understand what you are talking about, By doing that, you absolutely ARE changing their records and accomplishments. By doing that, Easy Goer's CAREER record is NOT 14 of 20 with 12 stakes wins & 9 GI wins. And more importantly, SS's CAREER record is NOT 9 of 14 with 6 GI wins & 7 total stakes wins, ONE GI win vs older at age 3, running 6 of his 14 races in GII or lower races etc. Using YOUR own words, but for other horses: "Comparing Easy Goer & SS is like comparing apples to oranges. Whittingham (after the TC races & before the BCC. For 5 months between the Bel & BCC) picked his spots (2 races in 5 months, one a GII loss in 2:02 for 10f, and the other a win in Louisiana in 2:03.2 for 10f) very carefully with SS. Easy Goer, on the other hand, achieved success in the biggest races in the land open to older horses that many other horses can only dream about, including the Jockey Club Gold Cup, Woodward, Travers & Whitney. Easy Goer also set a mile track record that still stands over 25 years & counting later. EG also ran the second fastest Belmont of all time, and ran amidst the fastest editions of many revered, time honored, historic races at many distances." There is NO way that SS should be allowed (in your scenario) to run 12 races as a 3 yr old when he only ran 9 (won 7 of 9). "It is highly highly questionable how SS would have fared running 12 races (when he ONLY ran 14 in his ENTIRE CAREER) as a 3 yr old." My scenario STILL has EG & SS's CAREER records & accomplishments the same. SS beats EG in the Grade I BC Juvenile in mud by 2.5, in the Grade I Wood Memorial by a nose, and Grade I Met Mile by a neck. Easy Goer beats SS by 8 in ANY OTHER Grade I (it obviously does NOT have to be the Belmont Stakes). Easy Goer still wins 12 total stakes races, 9 GI wins, etc. SS still wins 6 total GI races & 7 total stakes wins etc. You also never answered on what constitutes "lesser races" to YOU. "Lesser races" could be maiden, allowance races. It also could be lesser stakes races, or "lesser GI" races. To be fair, My scenario still has their races All in GI races. Maybe you meant "lesser races" than GI races.
Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer made USA and European horse racing what it was, is and will always be. Easy Goer ran as fast and as fluid as any thoroughbred who ever ran, and still stands strong in thoroughbred history. Easy Goer combined blistering speed over sprint and mile distances with thoroughly brilliant stamina at classic distances, and he will always be mentioned in the same breath with the greatest of all time. Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer is in the bloodlines of a numerous amount of G-1 winners in the USA and Europe. Easy Goer's daughter My Flag won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Ashland, G-1 Gazelle, G-1 Bonnie Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Corinthian won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, G-1 Met Mile, G-1 Gulfstream Park Handicap, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Storm Flag Flying won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Personal Ensign, G-1 Frizette, G-1 Matron, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Bulletin won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson London Bridge won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Marathon, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Araafa won the Group 1 St. James's Palace Stakes, G-1 Irish 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Astronomer Royal won the Group 1 French 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Will's Way won the Grade 1 Whitney Handicap, G-1 Travers Stakes, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Lion Tamer won the G-1 Cigar Mile, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Magical Fantasy won the G-1 Yellow Ribbon, G-1 Gamely, G-1 Ramona {Mabee}, G-1 Del Mar Oaks, G-1 Santa Barbara, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Audible won the G-1 Florida Derby, G-1 Holy Bull, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Funny Moon won the G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Monba won the G-1 Blue Grass, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Dynamic One won the G-1 Suburban, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Furlough won the G-1 Ballerina, G-1 Distaff, G-1 Honorable Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Composer won the G-1 Jim Dandy, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Relaxing Rhythm won the G-1 Molly Pitcher, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Tiz Miz Sue won the G-1 Ogden Phipps, et cetera. And many more.
"Why he lost? Sunday Silence raced without Lasix?" Why would Sunday Silence racing without Lasix be "why he lost" if Sunday Silence didn't race with Lasix before the Belmont in New York (which banned Lasix & all other drugs)?
Easy Goer did have a penchant for large winning margins and extremely speedy clockings( and they were extremely fast, even in the context of how slow or fast the surfaces were playing on those given days). He did win most of his races by large margins & running spectacularly fast times. His lack of experience in this type of race may have caused him to be very uncomfortable when in so tight on the rail & may have caused him not to stride properly late when uncomfortable and in very tight. This race, both horses were fighters and fought spectacularly.
No excuses when you lose 3 of 4 Grade 1 Steaks races to the same horse please don't shout how much better you are than him. So sad to hear this 30 years later ; Still sour Grapes.
@@thejammfam You can watch Easy Goer in the last stretch and see that he's uncomfortable and a bit distracted being jammed against the rail, and his pulling slightly to the right. That cost him the race.
@@richardernsberger5692 Easy Goer was a far superior horse. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was a far better horse than the drug-dependent & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-dependent sunday silence. Easy Goer ran many freakish performances on many different tracks & did it drug-free without any drugs & without the rider using the whip. Between the two horses, EG & SS, the ONLY horse of the 2 who got DRILLED was Sunday Silence when SS was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well. Nothing will make that go away. Clearly, Sunday Silence was most definitely exposed as a drug-dependent fraud, as he was not only drilled & crushed by Easy Goer when forced to run drug-free w/o any drugs, but ss barely beat the turd claimer Le Voyageur. When ss was given all of his ped drugs he then romped over the turd claimer Le Voyageur in the Louisiana Downs Derby. Nothing will make that go away. SS LOST 4 RACES in his very short career on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than a mile, & 10 of his 14 career races were against a bunch of turds. Easy Goer won on all 3 sized tracks (8f, 9f & 12f sized tracks); sunday silence did NOT. Easy Goer won G1 races drug-free without any drugs at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f with much less time & rest between races at more fluctuating, different distances while carrying & conceding more weight, & ran faster times at all distances, & ran far superior speed figures & performance ratings at all distances, & he ran many more career races. Sunday Silence only won G1 races with performance enhancing drugs at 9f to 10f with much more time & rest between races, & ran far less career races. Nothing will make that go away. Sunday Silence was even afforded the benefit of (a) running with the performance enhancing drugs Lasix (6 length performance enhancement), Clenbuterol, etc., vs Easy Goer, while Easy Goer ran drug-free without any drugs, (b) EG going into the Derby with 13 days rest, with SS going into the Derby with a full months rest, & EG having cracks in BOTH front feet for the Derby & Preakness, as well as EG having a crooked turned-out left knee, a clubfoot, very problematic enlarged ankles & knees, short upright pasterns, & back at the knee, (c) in the Derby EG being cut off badly by Northern Wolf & Dansil, (d) in the Preakness having Valenzuela deviously force EG out 8 or 9 wide to the stables down the backstretch, then EG flew by & passed ss completely legally without shutting him off or cutting him off or forcing him to steady (this is confirmed by the 1989 Belmont Stakes Full Broadcast video showing the head-on video), then having Valenzuela deviously bang & push EG in as tight as can be scraping the dead rail, then having his awful rider turn his head out with the lead right before the wire, not to mention his inferior trainer & inferior rider making glaringly obvious major mistakes for/in many races, (e) EG was prepped in a 12f race for the 10f BC Classic (a longer prep race has the hazardous consequence of dulling natural speed and blunting the speed needed in a shorter race, while generating the horse's stamina at the expense of speed) with only a few weeks time between the 12f race & the 10f BCC, while SS had 6 weeks rest between his final 10f prep for the BCC, & EG suffered a bout of tympanic colic on BC Classic day (Ray Paulick declared this in his book), & Easy Goer still was only narrowly edged in a few races by the slimmest of margins to the performance-enhancing drugs-filled Sunday Silence, because ss was given the ped drugs Lasix & Clenbuterol. Everyone knows that Clenbuterol & Lasix are potent performance enhancing drugs. Performance enhancing drugs are NOT AT ALL grasping at straws. Performance enhancing drugs are NOT AT ALL making excuses. Nothing will make all of this go away. Secretariat got drilled & Lost Many Big Races to the TURDS Herbull, Master Achiever, Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light & Fleet n Royal by a Combined 11 Lengths while carrying feathery low weights. Citation lost 4 out of 5 times to Noor. Kelso lost 3 out of 4 times to Beau Purple. Forego lost 2 out of 3 times to Big Spruce & Wajima. Dr Fager lost 2 out of 4 times to Damascus by a combined 12 lengths. John Henry lost to Cabrini Green 4 out of 4 times. John Henry lost to Darby Creek Road 3 out of 3 times. Shuvee lost 4 out of 5 times to Gallant Bloom. Skip Away lost 4 out of 6 times to Formal Gold. Sir Barton lost 8 out of 12 times to Billy Kelly. Whirlaway lost 2 out of 3 times to Alsab. California Chrome lost 2 out of 3 times to Bayern, etc etc.
It isn't bad at all. It's great, and many many greats were behind or tied on the head to head scoreboard - Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Skip Away, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Sir Barton among many others were behind or tied in head to heads. Who was better though? Better, like beauty is subjective and true in the eyes of the beholder. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances and at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, rider errors, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc and many many more. They were both great horses. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads with other examples being: 1) Noor beat HOF champ Citation in 4 of 5 races head to head. 2) Beau Purple beat HOF champ Kelso in 3 of 4 races head to head. 3) Big Spruce & Wajima beat HOF champ Forego in 2 of 3 races head to head. 4) Damascus beat Dr Fager in 2 of 4 races head to head. Swaps and Nashua were 1 to 1 head to head. 5) Mehmet & Interco beat John Henry in 2 of 3 races. 6) Darby Creek Road also beat HOF champ John Henry in 3 of 3 races. 7) Cabrini Green also beat John Henry in 4 of 4 races. 8) Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand in 3 races. 9) Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champ Sir Barton in 8 of 12 races. 10) Formal Gold beat HOF champ Skip Away in 4 of 6 races. 11) Star of Cozzene beat HOY Kotashaan in 3 of 4 races. 12) Pretense beat HOF champ Native Diver 5 times. 13) Summer Squall beat champion Unbridled in 4 of 6 races head to head. 14) Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday in 3 of 3 races. 15) Akureyri beat champion Pleasant Colony in 3 of 4 races, etc etc. The point is who was better in any way is subjective.
Travis West, aka an infinite amount of others - Who's better in any way is totally subjective. Noor beat Citation 4 out of 5 races. Citation was better. Beau Purple beat Kelso 3 out of 4 races. Kelso was better. SS held the 3-1 edge on Easy Goer. Easy Goer was better. Akureyri beat Pleasant Colony 3 out of 4 races. Pleasant Colony was better. Gallant Bloom beat Shuvee 4 out of 5 races. Shuvee was better. Formal Gold beat Skip Away 4 out of 6 races. Skip Away was better. Damascus beat Dr Fager 2 out of 4 races. Dr Fager was better. Big Spruce beat Forego 2 out of 3 races. Forego was better. Darby Creek Road beat John Henry 3 out of 3 races. John Henry was better. Cabrini Green beat John Henry 4 out of 4 races. John Henry was better. Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champion Hall of Famer Sir Barton 8 out of 12 races. Sir Barton was better. Summer Squall beat Unbridled 4 out of 6 races. And many more. The list is endless. They don't prove or disprove anything, and who's better in any way is totally subjective. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career. Drug-Free races stood as huge obstacles to drug dependent horses like Sunday Silence and so many others. No-drug races keep the outcomes crystal clear. Drug-free races were/are a major factor in keeping the no-drugs races the true tests of champions. Winning any race on drugs was/is not what racing is about. Only the drug-free races could/can be called championship events. Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others; and who's better in any way is totally subjective period. There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer ran substantially superior speed figures at every distance. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental & essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest & time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time & rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs & with much more rest & time in between races, in his much shorter career. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, speed figures, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Travis West, aka an infinite amount of others - Who's better in any way is totally subjective. Noor beat Citation 4 out of 5 races. Citation was better. Beau Purple beat Kelso 3 out of 4 races. Kelso was better. SS held the 3-1 edge on Easy Goer. Easy Goer was better. Akureyri beat Pleasant Colony 3 out of 4 races. Pleasant Colony was better. Gallant Bloom beat Shuvee 4 out of 5 races. Shuvee was better. Formal Gold beat Skip Away 4 out of 6 races. Skip Away was better. Damascus beat Dr Fager 2 out of 4 races. Dr Fager was better. Big Spruce beat Forego 2 out of 3 races. Forego was better. Darby Creek Road beat John Henry 3 out of 3 races. John Henry was better. Cabrini Green beat John Henry 4 out of 4 races. John Henry was better. Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champion Hall of Famer Sir Barton 8 out of 12 races. Sir Barton was better. Summer Squall beat Unbridled 4 out of 6 races. And many more. The list is endless. They don't prove or disprove anything, and who's better in any way is totally subjective. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career. Drug-Free races stood as huge obstacles to drug dependent horses like Sunday Silence and so many others. No-drug races keep the outcomes crystal clear. Drug-free races were/are a major factor in keeping the no-drugs races the true tests of champions. Winning any race on drugs was/is not what racing is about. Only the drug-free races could/can be called championship events. Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others; and who's better in any way is totally subjective period. There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer ran substantially superior speed figures at every distance. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental & essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest & time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time & rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs & with much more rest & time in between races, in his much shorter career. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, speed figures, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Travis West, aka an infinite amount of others - Who's better in any way is totally subjective. Noor beat Citation 4 out of 5 races. Citation was better. Beau Purple beat Kelso 3 out of 4 races. Kelso was better. SS held the 3-1 edge on Easy Goer. Easy Goer was better. Akureyri beat Pleasant Colony 3 out of 4 races. Pleasant Colony was better. Gallant Bloom beat Shuvee 4 out of 5 races. Shuvee was better. Formal Gold beat Skip Away 4 out of 6 races. Skip Away was better. Damascus beat Dr Fager 2 out of 4 races. Dr Fager was better. Big Spruce beat Forego 2 out of 3 races. Forego was better. Darby Creek Road beat John Henry 3 out of 3 races. John Henry was better. Cabrini Green beat John Henry 4 out of 4 races. John Henry was better. Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champion Hall of Famer Sir Barton 8 out of 12 races. Sir Barton was better. Summer Squall beat Unbridled 4 out of 6 races. And many more. The list is endless. They don't prove or disprove anything, and who's better in any way is totally subjective. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career. Drug-Free races stood as huge obstacles to drug dependent horses like Sunday Silence and so many others. No-drug races keep the outcomes crystal clear. Drug-free races were/are a major factor in keeping the no-drugs races the true tests of champions. Winning any race on drugs was/is not what racing is about. Only the drug-free races could/can be called championship events. Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others; and who's better in any way is totally subjective period. There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer ran substantially superior speed figures at every distance. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental & essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest & time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time & rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs & with much more rest & time in between races, in his much shorter career. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, speed figures, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Better or best in any way is totally subjective for either side. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses. Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. There was also the Belmont where Easy Goer clobbered him. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
Who is finer? That is nonobjective and intuitive. They were both phenomenal horses. Though a small sample, they were mere inches apart from being a level, even two to two when opposing one another in direct competition. Easy Goer did accomplish and achieve more in his career res'ume'.
Good points. Better horse? Who was better or superior? Noor 4 Citation 1 in head to head races. Beau Purple 3 Kelso 1 in head to head races. SS 3 Easy Goer 1. EG & SS were so closely ranked (with SS narrowly ranked ahead) by the ONE BH panel. Clearly, being so close in head to heads in the biggest races, AND the fact that Easy Goer's body of work & career was Superior to that of SS, did not make it an easy decision on who to rank above the other. They may have went with the: "Easy Goer's Body of work and career was SUPERIOR to that of SS. But SS's 3 to 1 Edge specifically in the BIGGEST races gave him the Nod by the Same Nose as his Preakness win." Billy Kelly 8 Sir Barton 4. Big Spruce 2 Forego 1. Wajima 2 Forego 1. Interco 2 John Henry 1. Mehmet 2 John Henry 1. Darby Creek Road 3 John Henry 0. Cabrini Green 4 John Henry 1. Damascus 2 Dr. Fager 2. Formal Gold 4 Skip Away 2. Additionally, Crystal Water beat Ancient Title 4 times. Cutlass Reality beat Ferdinand 3 times. Pretense beat Native Diver 5 times. Akureyri 3 Pleasant Colony 1. Who was better or superior? That is totally subjective with many many factors that come into play. And even after those many many factors are factored in, who was better is still completely subjective.
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song, Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Which words? Here are Direct verbatim quotes of what Hovdey wrote, transmitting clear claims made by Harthill about SS, & he expressed it in as clear fashion as can be: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. Harthill illegally gave Northern Dancer the illegal drug Furosemide in the hours before the Derby in 1964. Other than Northern Dancer, Harthill confirmed that he gave Furosemide to other notable horses, including Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Harthill declared he regularly used illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs, & gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Aside from Sunday Silence, Harthill also asserted that he administered Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, to other top-tier horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Winning Colors, Lil E. Tee, Summer Squall & Black Tie Affair. Harthill also proclaimed that he was proud that he inaugurated the use of Clenbuterol, & regularly used Clenbuterol in the 1980's & 1990's. Harthill also affirmed that a common practice of his was to inject illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated, as well as rubbing heroin on the tongues of horses (but only after it was tested for efficacy by handy addicts). The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Many studies done on Lasix have concluded that it makes horses run faster & enhances performance. Using many different methods to gauge how much faster horses run after being treated with Lasix, the studies found an improvement of about six to nine lengths at distances of a mile or farther. The drug Clenbuterol has a similar effect on the body as Epinephrine & Amphetamines by increasing the production of Epinephrine & Noradrenaline, & thus significantly enhancing performance. Clenbuterol also thins blood & widens the vessels that carry oxygen, so the volume of oxygen in the blood increases, which increases energy & improves performance. Clenbuterol is an extraordinary drug with two completely different effects that dramatically enhance performance, speed, stamina, endurance, lung capacity & energy levels. It greatly aids breathing by significantly expanding the air passages in the lungs letting air flow much more freely, & it dramatically reduces body fat by causing rapid fat burning. Clenbuterol performed miracles for horses who made inexplicable improvements with major enhancements in performance. The drugs Etorphine & Sublimaze are drugs that give horses such a sense of euphoria & well-being that they feel like they don’t have legs. Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he publicly acknowledged doing so many times. The US DEA filed suit against Alex Harthill on 102 charges of possessing & using unusual quantities of these & other drugs. Alex Harthill & drugs have led to the destruction of integrity in racing. Harthill was at the vanguard of giving drugs to horses that were used to vastly enhance their performances, & they were remarkably effective turning good horses into great horses, bad horses into good horses, slower horses into faster horses, horses with no business winning doing so, & causing horses to run far over their heads. Harthill was a vet who had stolen a 30 length lead in the race to discover drugs that would significantly move up racehorses, & Harthill had no hesitancy in using whatever was available. Harthill was a magic man vet practicing the dark arts of racehorse manipulation. Harthill was arrested many times for tampering, bribery & doping horses with drugs. Alex Harthill did more cheating with drugs to win horse races than any vet in history. Harthill bribed state officials to throw away positive drug tests from horses that he had treated, & lost his license in many states. In no other major sport does an owner, coach, trainer or doctor have the ability, through working with several entrants in the same event, to directly affect the outcome. Harthill was a crooked vet who administered these & other performance enhancing drugs to his horses. Harthill was the most important factor in countless outcomes of numerous races. Harthill made Bob Baffert, Rick Dutrow, etc., look like Altar boys."
"Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT INFERIOR DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Sunday Silence had been TREATED WITH DRUGS in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness & Breeders' Cup Classic when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't for the Belmont Stakes in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies about drugs, for ALL DRUGS are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the US. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT INFERIOR DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran of DRF, LA Times & Newsday.
"Kentucky Derby Doctor Alex Harthill Reveals Disgraceful Past: Harthill Reflects on Unlawful Life's Work. Harthill Discloses He Administered Forbidden Performance-Enhancing Drugs To Many American Classic Winners In The Kentucky Derby, Preakness And Breeders' Cup Classic." How about the Belmont Stakes & the enormous amount of the other major G1 stakes races in New York? How about when the Breeders Cup took place in NY? Harthill was barred in NY. NY also was the only state in the entire country during that era which banned all drugs. NY also had the most advanced out-of-competition, training & raceday testing, & tested for an enormous amount of drugs. DRF 2001 Jay Hovdey: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me (Jay Hovdey/DRF) how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he Publicly Acknowledged Doing So many times. Harthill said, 'I (Harthill) was used for horses (Sunday Silence, etc) pointing for, & running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS & had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses (Sunday Silence, etc) I helped WITH DRUGS IN THEIR CAREERS. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses (Sunday Silence, etc) a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, Don't get me caught, but keep me worried. Even though a horse is 5 or 7 times larger than humans, the amount of dope needed to have an effect is so small. An amount on the tip of a match would be enough to flick up a horse's nose to get a spectacular result. By the time they got my horses to the starting gate they’d be leaping out of their skin. I administered illegal drugs throughout my career that INCREASED the performances of racehorses IN CLASSIC RACES, & almost all of the time I did so, my horses won. You can only revere the horses (Easy Goer, etc) whom my horses defeated even more, to do all they (Easy Goer, etc) were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short (Easy Goer, etc) of horses (Sunday Silence, etc) who had been given performance-enhancing drugs (Sunday Silence, etc) by myself. By doing so, I acknowledge that I effectively stole a large amount of money in my career, & cheated many other horses, trainers, owners & riders I competed against. Nonetheless, I consider my extensive doping as a mark of pride.' "
Maybe -- even probably -- it was Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela who actually was the one "trying to screw Pat ron franklin-esque Day the whole way around" by floating him very wide towards the barns on the back-side, and by trapping him and knocking him in very tight to the rail afterwards on the turn and thru the stretch. That link to the entire broadcast of the 89' Belmont which shows the back-side head on footage of the Preakness doesn't show Pat ron franklin-esque Day shutting off or cutting off Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela. Interesting to note that Silence's owner Arthur Hancock assumed, like most others, that Pat Day did. However, on the 'Arthur Hancock on Sunday Silence' video uploaded here on youtube by Blood-Horse, Hancock even admits he didn't by saying at the 8:50 point, "Easy Goer swept past Sunday Silence, and it looked to me like he might have shut him off. Silence dropped back a length or two, and I said to my wife that Easy Goer just shut us off. That's what I thought looking through my binoculars. But he didn't, he did not, he was far enough out there."
Of course Easy Goer won outside New York, the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs and medications. And in the process, Easy Goer ran the fastest 7f of the year in Florda while doing so. That's also like saying that Sunday Silence never won when racing without all drugs and medications. That's also like saying that SS never won on larger circumferenced tracks (lost 4 of 6) of 1 1/8 miles or larger.
Hovdey(HRTV-The Rivalry) & Crist(DRF Champions) both made valid points on this: "They were inches apart, but miles ahead of their contemporaries. In the absence of either, each would have been dominant Triple Crown champions with only history as a benchmark." "Without SS, Easy Goer would have been a Triple Crown champion with a long list of the most historical,prestigious races steeped in tradition(most by large winning margins & extremely speedy clockings) &would have statues erected & be up there with other Top 5 all time best horses. Without EG,SS would have also been a TC champion, but SS didn't have nearly the overall career,overall campaign & the long list of other historical,prestigious races(most by large winning margins & extremely all time fastest clockings) as Easy Goer did. Both great."
"There is no study on the web entitled"? You'd need to find EVERY study on, or off of, the web in order to know what every study on, or off of, the web is entitled, in order to know if there are no studies on, or off of, the web with those titles.
@@sigscorpion9275 The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence WAS THE ONE ON THE ILLEGAL PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, plus Furosemide, Banamine, acetylsalicylic acid, meclofanemic acid, Naproxen, & Bute (though Bute was erroneously listed even though it was given 1 to 3 days before a race, which was corrected by KY in 93' & going forward), period. Mounds of evidence has been provided THAT the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence was given the ILLEGAL PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, as well as Furosemide, Banamine, acetylsalicylic acid, meclofanemic acid, Naproxen, & Bute (though Bute was erroneously listed even though it was given 1 to 3 days before a race, which was corrected by KY in 93' & going forward), period. You've plastered these comment boards with thousands of pages consisting of statements like all of these. You repeat the same things, verbatim, hundreds of times, but NOTHING you've said shows that Harthill did not admit that he gave the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, to Sunday Silence, in order to significantly enhance ss's performances in the specific major races of the Derby, Preakness & Classic.
@@sigscorpion9275 Mounds of evidence provided with a voluntary admission by the banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, ss 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. EG 14, ss 0; EG 1, ss 0. Mounds of evidence provided with a voluntary admission that the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence was given the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. Harthill admitted it in a voluntary admission.
Easy Goer is one of the best racehorses America ever produced, he is tough and at his best he is unbeatable, never beaten by more than 2 lengths, beautiful pedigree, the USA was so lucky to have him as a stallion, great loss for USA & Europe with him dying so premature, but big win for Horse Racing. Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer made USA and European horse racing what it was, is and will always be. Easy Goer ran as fast and as fluid as any thoroughbred who ever ran, and still stands strong in thoroughbred history. Easy Goer combined blistering speed over sprint and mile distances with thoroughly brilliant stamina at classic distances, and he will always be mentioned in the same breath with the greatest of all time. Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer is in the bloodlines of a numerous amount of G-1 winners in the USA and Europe. Easy Goer's daughter My Flag won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Ashland, G-1 Gazelle, G-1 Bonnie Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Corinthian won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, G-1 Met Mile, G-1 Gulfstream Park Handicap, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Storm Flag Flying won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Personal Ensign, G-1 Frizette, G-1 Matron, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Bulletin won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson London Bridge won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Marathon, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Araafa won the Group 1 St. James's Palace Stakes, G-1 Irish 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Astronomer Royal won the Group 1 French 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Will's Way won the Grade 1 Whitney Handicap, G-1 Travers Stakes, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Lion Tamer won the G-1 Cigar Mile, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Magical Fantasy won the G-1 Yellow Ribbon, G-1 Gamely, G-1 Ramona {Mabee}, G-1 Del Mar Oaks, G-1 Santa Barbara, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Audible won the G-1 Florida Derby, G-1 Holy Bull, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Funny Moon won the G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Monba won the G-1 Blue Grass, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Dynamic One won the G-1 Suburban, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Furlough won the G-1 Ballerina, G-1 Distaff, G-1 Honorable Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Composer won the G-1 Jim Dandy, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Relaxing Rhythm won the G-1 Molly Pitcher, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Tiz Miz Sue won the G-1 Ogden Phipps, et cetera. And many more.
@@sigscorpion9275 The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer never got beat by more than 2 lengths in a much longer career running many more races, while the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant Sunday Silence (in a much shorter career running far less races) got crushed by 8 widening lengths by the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer at equal weights when forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & also without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. Sunday Silence also lost to Caro Lover, Houston, Prized in a G2 race (Easy Goer beat Prized by 25 lengths), & Criminal Type (only 5 pound weight difference). Easy Goer destroyed sunday silence. The maiden claimer Caro Lover beat sunday silence. The sprinter Houston beat sunday silence on ss's larger home track of Hollywood. Prized beat sunday silence in a G2 race on ss's larger home track of Hollywood (Easy Goer crushed Prized by 25 lengths). Criminal Type beat sunday silence on ss's larger home track of Hollywood. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer Only lost by a little more than 1 length because Easy Goer carried 14 POUNDS more than fellow Hall of Fame Champion Housebuster, & Easy Goer carried 7 POUNDS more than Criminal Type. Criminal Type Carried 7 POUNDS LESS than Easy Goer. Housebuster carried 14 POUNDS less than Easy Goer; & Easy Goer carried 7 to 20 POUNDS more than other champions/G1 winners Black Tie Affair, Sewickley, Cryptoclearance, Slew City Slew, Proper Reality, De Roche, Montubio, Tricky Creek, etc & still beat all of them IN THIS G1 Met Mile, & also in the G1 Suburban, G1 Jockey Club Gold Cup, G1 Woodward, G1 Whitney etc. Criminal Type beat Sunday Silence while carrying only 5 pounds less than Sunday Silence. Common sense, as well as Newton's 2nd law of motion, tells us that if Criminal Type & Housebuster had carried equal weights, while generating the same kind of force they did in these races, they would have posted slower times & would have lost this race to Easy Goer. Common sense, as well as Newton's 2nd law of motion, tells us that if Easy Goer had carried equal weights, he would have posted a faster time & would have won this race over both Criminal Type & Housebuster. Case closed indeed.
The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence is 0 for 5 when forced to run drug-free without any drugs. The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence is 0 for 5 when forced to run without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence is 1 for 5 on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f.
@@sigscorpion9275 The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, & the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant Sunday Silence 0 wins drug-free without any drugs; Easy Goer 14, SS 0; EG 1, ss 0.
The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant Sunday Silence got crushed by 8 widening lengths by the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer at equal weights when forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & also without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. Sunday Silence also lost to Caro Lover, Houston, Prized in a G2 race (Easy Goer beat Prized by 25 lengths), & Criminal Type (only 5 pound weight difference). The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer Only lost by a little more than 1 length because Easy Goer carried 14 POUNDS more than fellow Hall of Fame Champion Housebuster, & Easy Goer carried 7 POUNDS more than Criminal Type. Criminal Type Carried 7 POUNDS LESS than Easy Goer. Housebuster carried 14 POUNDS less than Easy Goer; & Easy Goer carried 7 to 20 POUNDS more than other champions/G1 winners Black Tie Affair, Sewickley, Cryptoclearance, Slew City Slew, Proper Reality, De Roche, Montubio, Tricky Creek, etc & still beat all of them IN THIS G1 Met Mile, & also in the G1 Suburban, G1 Jockey Club Gold Cup, G1 Woodward, G1 Whitney etc. Criminal Type beat Sunday Silence while carrying only 5 pounds less than Sunday Silence. Common sense, as well as Newton's 2nd law of motion, tells us that if Criminal Type & Housebuster had carried equal weights or weight for age, while generating the same kind of force they did in these races, they would have posted slower times & would have lost this race to Easy Goer. Common sense, as well as Newton's 2nd law of motion, tells us that if Easy Goer had carried equal weights or weight for age, he would have posted a faster time & would have won this race over both Housebuster & Criminal Type. Case closed.
"Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Sunday Silence had been TREATED WITH DRUGS in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness & Breeders' Cup Classic when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't for the Belmont Stakes in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies about drugs, for ALL DRUGS are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the US. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran of DRF, LA Times & Newsday.
I have never had the pleasure of anyone stating either of these two horses going to nose to nose would be a "tremendous failure" on either horses part, or that both going to nose to nose weren't showing tremendous fight & fighting with vigor,tenaciousness, fortitude & distinction by both horses. Really?
Sigmund sig Bless his heart Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, ss 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. EG 14, ss 0; EG 1, ss 0. And ss was was practically dead when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well.
In two 1990's books on Claiborne Farm, McGaughey stated, "Easy Goer had these issues, but he had such an outstanding way of going that he'd glide so smoothly. The issues didn't really bother him, he was so muscular, strong and competitive, he'd run through brick walls, and I never ran him on any medications. He never needed them." In these same 90's Claiborne Farm books, as well as stallion directory books, Claiborne Farm's President Seth Hancock, as well as the Director of Stallion & Foal Operations Gus Koch are both quoted: Seth Hancock said, "One of the many claims to fame for Easy Goer is, in an era of vast legal and illegal drug use, he ran his entire career drug-free in 20 starts for a total of well over 20 miles of racing." Gus Koch said, "From the day he was born, Easy Goer had a clubfoot, a crooked turned-out left knee, bad grapefruit sized ankles and knees, but he made up for it all by his exceptional balance, action and stride, and never ran on any drugs." When McGaughey himself is quoted directly in two 90's Claiborne Farm books, KY Law, all official DRF & FIGS Form papers, Claiborne Farm, Bloodhorse, Thoroughbred Record, DRF, etc., & all (all are reliable sources & all intimately familiar with DRF publications) say that EG ran drug-free & was never given any medications (including the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute). When McGaughey himself is quoted directly in two 90's Claiborne Farm books, KY Law, all official DRF & FIGS Form papers, Claiborne Farm, Bloodhorse, Thoroughbred Record, DRF, etc., & all (all are reliable sources & all intimately familiar with DRF publications) say that EG ran drug-free & was never given any medications (including the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute) or drugs (race-day medications/drugs) within a minimum of 24 hours (1 Full Day; & most likely 48 hours or 2 days because 48 hours or 2 days was/is the standard) of any race in his career, it means EG did not run or race on any drugs; & they are all 100% correct. EG was never given any medications (including the aspirin bute) or drugs on race-day (within a minimum of 24 hours or 1 Full Day & most likely 48 hours or 2 days because 48 hours or 2 days was/is the standard) of any race in his career. EG also was never given any performance enhancing drugs in his career. Back in the 80's, KY erroneously & incorrectly listed horses as being on (given) bute on race-day, even though they were only permitted by KY law to be given bute 1 to 3 days before a race, 24 to 72 hours before a race, & a minimum of 1 day or 24 hrs before a race. Yet, the diuretic & painkiller drugs Hydrochlorothiazide, Etacrynic Acid, Torasemide, & Furosemide, as well as Banamine, Acetylsalicylic Acid, Meclofanemic Acid & Naproxen were/are allowed to be given within 4 hours of a race, yet KY only listed horses being given Furosemide. "In the 1980's KY law only allowed the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory bute to be given a MINIMUM of at least 24 hours, a FULL DAY, before a race, and up to 72 hours, three days, before a race, but not within 24 hours of a race, not on race-day of a race. However, the diuretic & painkiller drugs Hydrochlorothiazide, Etacrynic Acid, Torasemide, & Furosemide, as well as Banamine, Acetylsalicylic Acid, Meclofanemic Acid & Naproxen all are allowed to be given within 4 hours of a race." McGaughey said that he was reminded even though the aspirin bute would be given THREE DAYS before a race, KY law absurdly still listed the horses as being given the aspirin bute in the actual race 3 days later on race-day. McGaughey did NOT say that he gave the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute in the BCC at Gulfstream in Florida, & not in the Swale Stakes in Florida, & not in the Preakness in Maryland. McGaughey said he did not give the asprin bute in the Preakness. McGaughey also said that he was reminded even though the aspirin bute would be given THREE DAYS before a race, KY law absurdly still listed the horses as being given the aspirin bute in the actual race 3 days later on race-day. When did KY correct this? 93'. Go look up here on the web of every KY Derby race chart starting from 1993 to 2020, & you will see NOT ONE horse listed as being given the aspirin bute (B) in every Derby. Why? KY did not ban the aspirin bute in 93 & going forward, but because the KY law was/is that the aspirin bute is only permitted to be given 1 to 3 days (2 days was/is the standard) before a race, or 24 to 72 hours before race (48 hours was/is the standard), it was/is incorrect, erroneous & absurd to list horses as being given aspirin bute for races on race-day, nor being on aspirin bute for races on race-day. No wonder why sunday silence was given the potent performance enhancing diuretic drug Furosemide, Banamine (5 times more powerful than the aspirin bute), acetylsalicylic acid, meclofanemic acid, & Naproxen in 13 of his 14 career races; all of these drugs were allowed to be given 4 HOURS before a race, while the aspirin bute was only allowed to be given 1 to 3 days before a race (2 days was/is the standard). No wonder why the banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill gave sunday silence the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. You can be damn sure that both EG & SS both ran drug-free without any drugs (& without ss's banned illegal criminal vet Harthill as well) when running in the Belmont in NY because NY was the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Harthill as well.
No. Everything in quotes are the title, subtitles, Hovdey's words & Harthill's words. The ONE & ONLY parenthesis of (but only after it was tested for efficacy by handy addicts) IS DIRECTLY VERBATIM of Hovdey's words (NOT MINE), meaning Hovdey put these words in parenthesis. The title & subtitles of the article are: "Kentucky Derby Doctor Alex Harthill Reveals Disgraceful Past: Harthill Reflects on Unlawful Life's Work. Harthill Discloses He Administered Forbidden Performance-Enhancing Drugs To Many American Classic Winners In The Kentucky Derby, Preakness And Breeders' Cup Classic." The title & subtitles are crystal clear & remove all doubts about what races Harthill gave the horses ped drugs; & they transmit clear claims made by Harthill about Sunday Silence, & he expressed it in as clear fashion as can be. Here are Direct verbatim quotes of what Hovdey wrote, transmitting clear claims made by Harthill about SS, & he expressed it in as clear fashion as can be: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. Harthill described how he illegally gave Northern Dancer the illegal drug Furosemide in the hours before the Derby in 1964, affirming, 'I got a vet I knew from out of town to come along with me. I told him I was going to turn to the right, & he would go that way & take this syringe down to barn 24, stall 23, & give this to that horse. There would be a guy there called Will. He'd be waiting. So he did it, while the gendarmes followed me.' Other than Northern Dancer, Harthill confirmed that he gave Furosemide to other notable horses, including Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Harthill declared he regularly used illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs, & gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Aside from Sunday Silence, Harthill also asserted that he administered Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, to other top-tier horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Winning Colors, Lil E. Tee, Summer Squall & Black Tie Affair. Harthill also proclaimed that he was proud that he inaugurated the use of Clenbuterol, & regularly used Clenbuterol in the 1980's & 1990's. Harthill also affirmed that a common practice of his was to inject illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated, as well as rubbing heroin on the tongues of horses (but only after it was tested for efficacy by handy addicts). The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he publicly acknowledged doing so many times. The US DEA filed suit against Alex Harthill on 102 charges of possessing & using unusual quantities of these & other drugs. Alex Harthill & drugs have led to the destruction of integrity in racing. Harthill was at the vanguard of giving drugs to horses that were used to vastly enhance their performances, & they were remarkably effective turning good horses into great horses, bad horses into good horses, slower horses into faster horses, horses with no business winning doing so, & causing horses to run far over their heads. Harthill was a vet who had stolen a 30 length lead in the race to discover drugs that would significantly move up racehorses, & Harthill had no hesitancy in using whatever was available. Harthill was a magic man vet practicing the dark arts of racehorse manipulation. Harthill was arrested many times for tampering, bribery & doping horses with drugs. Alex Harthill did more cheating with drugs to win horse races than any vet in history. Harthill bribed state officials to throw away positive drug tests from horses that he had treated, & lost his license in many states. In no other major sport does an owner, coach, trainer or doctor have the ability, through working with several entrants in the same event, to directly affect the outcome. Harthill was a crooked vet who administered these & other performance enhancing drugs to his horses. Harthill was the most important factor in countless outcomes of numerous races. Harthill made Bob Baffert, Rick Dutrow, etc., look like Altar Boys. Harthill said, 'I was used for horses pointing for, & running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS & had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses I helped WITH DRUGS IN THEIR CAREERS. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, Don't get me caught, but keep me worried. Even though a horse is 5 or 7 times larger than humans, the amount of dope needed to have an effect is so small. An amount on the tip of a match would be enough to flick up a horse's nose to get a spectacular result. By the time they got my horses to the starting gate they’d be leaping out of their skin. I administered illegal drugs throughout my career that INCREASED the performances of racehorses IN CLASSIC RACES, & almost all of the time I did so, my horses won. You can only revere the horses whom my horses defeated even more, to do all they were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short of horses who had been given performance-enhancing drugs by myself. By doing so, I acknowledge that I effectively stole a large amount of money in my career, & cheated many other horses, trainers, owners & riders I competed against. Nonetheless, I consider my extensive doping as a mark of pride.' "
Scores on scoreboards? Easy Goer 14 to 0 is the legal score; EG 1 to 0 is the legal score. The 3-1 (done ILLEGALLY by ss by the slimmest of margins, admitted to by ss's banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill admitting to giving ss illegal performance enhancing drugs [Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc]) means as much or as little as Noor 4, Citation 1 (who's better?); Beau Purple 3, Kelso 1 (who's better?); Alsab 2, Whirlaway 1; Big Spruce 2, Forego 1; Wajima 2, Forego 1; Cabrini Green 4, John Henry 0; Darby Creek Road 3, John Henry 0; Gallant Bloom 4, Shuvee 1; Damascus 2, Dr Fager 2; Akureyri 3, Pleasant Colony 1; Formal Gold 4, Skip Away 2; Billy Kelly 8, Sir Barton 4; Summer Squall 4, Unbridled 2; Bayern 2, California Chrome 1; Star of Cozzene 3, Kotashaan 1; & an endless amount of others. Who's better? So as you said, indeed "The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs", & that is why the legal, moral, ethical score is Easy Goer 14, SS 0. 14 to 0 is the legal score; 1 to 0 is the legal score.
It indeed was a great race between two great Hall of Fame champions. Neither horse was cut off or shut off. Both were immensely impressive. Go to the 11 minute mark of the video on here titled '1989 Belmont Stakes: Full ABC Broadcast,' where they show the full head-on video of the entire backstretch run of the Preakness. Valenzuela purposely took EG out to the parking lot on the backstretch, then EG made a giant early move to the lead and passed Valenzuela and SS totally legally without cutting them off at all. Then on the far turn through the entire stretch, Valenzuela was pushing and banging him in as tight as can be on the dead rail. Check out the 11 minute mark of the aforementioned video. Even the owner of SS Arthur Hancock, said in the video on here titled 'Arthur Hancock on Sunday Silence,' at the 9 minute mark that 'Easy Goer swept past SS and I thought he had shut us off but EG DIDN'T, EG was FAR ENOUGH OUT THERE.' Valenzuela, with his shenanigans, was trying to get EG and Day beat at all cost - with Valenzuela purposely taking Easy Goer and Day out to the parking lot down the entire backstretch, then Valenzuela purposely banging and pushing him in as tight as can be on the dead rail from the far turn through the entire homestretch. It was Valenzuela who was trying to "screw" Easy Goer and P Day. Not to mention Day's start stop start stop start riding and yanking EG's head out to the right to run sideways with his body being forced to stay straight being in as tight as can be on the dead rail with head turned sideways.
The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was like Hall of Famers Forego (0 for 3 outside NY & FL; almost all of his major wins in NY, with a few in FL), Tom Fool (20 of 21 wins in NY), Ruffian (9 of 10 wins in NY), Man o' War (17 of 20 wins in NY), Kelso (almost all of his major wins in NY), Native Dancer (18 of 21 wins in NY), etc. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer won outside drug-free NY, & won 6 races away from his drug-free home track, & EG only lost by the slimmest of margins in other races to the drug-reliant sunday silence because ss had been given Performance Enhancing Drugs. Alex Harthill admitted he gave ss the powerful performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, plus ss was given the potent performance enhancing diuretic drug Furosemide/Lasix (6 length performance enhancement at longer, classic distances), etc. During that era, New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs, & as importantly, NY also banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill [arrested an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses). If you want to be a Hall of Fame Champion, you'd better be great in New York. There are over 200 horses in the Hall of Fame & no matter where they were based, 99% of them ran/will run in New York. If you want to be a top colt or champion at 2 & 3, 4, 5 or older, or any age, you'd better be great in NY. New York ran/runs many many many more Prestigious, Championship G1 races than any other state. Easy Goer, Forego, Tom Fool & Ruffian were complete racehorses & all-time great Hall of Fame Champions; so were Man o' War, Kelso, Buckpasser, Native Dancer, etc. King of the Hill, Top of the Heap, A Number One, the True Tests of Champions are in New York, Champions are Crowned & Championships are won on the Championship Tracks in NY - the Test of a Champion, The Handicap Triple Crown, the Fall Championship Triple Crowns, the Filly Triple Crown, etc etc. The Litmus Test of a Champion is running & winning drug-free without any performance enhancing drugs; & during that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill [arrested an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses]. During that era, it was a huge credit to NY [& the rest of the whole world] that the endless amount of their championship G1 races stood as gigantic obstacles to drug-reliant horses like ss; & these horses, like ss & many others, got exposed badly when they were forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races. Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races. Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all. NY by far ran/runs the most Prestigious, Championship G1 races in the USA with the highest purses in the country; NY was & still is the Center & Pinnacle of Racing in the USA; NY was/is by far the best racing circuit in the USA; champions are crowned & championships are won on the Championship Tracks in NY (they are by far the fairest tracks in the USA because they are all larger tracks); & most importantly, there are over 200 horses in the Hall of Fame & no matter where they were based, 99% of them ran/will run in NY. While all 3 major NY tracks are bigger tracks with larger, wider, sweeping turns, Belmont Park was & will always be the Championship Track, as it was/is, by far, the fairest track in the US being the largest with the biggest, widest, sweeping turns where horses run as fast around the bigger turns as they do on straightaways. The best horse almost always wins at Belmont. You don’t have to tip-toe your way around the smaller, tighter, sharp turns on the smaller tracks, you can run at top speed around the bigger turns. The bigger, the wider, the larger the turns, the less bad racing luck. The fewer the turns, the less bad racing luck. Belmont was/is the track where championships were/are decided not by racing luck, but by the horse that won, the best horse. There are no places for horses to hide on the huge track; horses are bare-faced out there on the huge track, & it was/is by far the best testing ground of champions to prove themselves. Belmont was/is the ultimate test because it displays & reveals every strength of authentic, genuine greats, & it exposes every flaw of imposters. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer won outside drug-free NY, & won 6 races away from his home track, & EG only lost by the slimmest of margins in other races to the drug-reliant ss who had been given Performance Enhancing Drugs. Clearly, the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer wins these other races had ss not been given all of these performance enhancing drugs, & all been forced to run drug-free w/o any drugs. Forego was 0 for 3 outside NY & FL. The Hall of Fame Champion Ruffian won 0 races outside NY & NJ. The Hall of Fame Champion Zenyatta won 0 races outside California & Arkansas. Many Hall of Fame Champions won all or almost of their races (&/or all or almost all of their major races) in New York, Florida or California, including Forego, Easy Goer, Kelso, Ruffian, Man o' War, Tom Fool, Zenyatta, etc. NAME ALL OF THE RACES SUNDAY SILENCE WON WHEN FORCED TO RUN DRUG-FREE WITHOUT ANY DRUGS. ZERO. Name all of the races ss won when he was forced to run without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. Zero. Name all of the races ss won on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f. ss LOST 4 races on bigger tracks with circumferences larger than 8f.
SigScorpion Sigmund You wrote, "The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs." Well, During that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill. Harthill was arrested, fined & suspended an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses; & Harthill admitted that he illegally gave illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss. During that era, it was a huge credit to NY [& the rest of the whole world] that the endless amount of their championship G1 races stood as gigantic obstacles to drug-reliant horses like ss; & these horses, like ss & many others, got exposed badly when they were forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races. Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races. Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all. Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, SS 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. Easy Goer 14, SS 0 is the legal, moral, ethical score & the only one that counts legally, morally & ethically, & is in the legal, moral, ethical record books. The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs, & that is why the legal, moral, ethical score is Easy Goer 14, SS 0. The 3-1 (done ILLEGALLY by the slimmest of margins) means as much or as little as Noor 4, Citation 1; Beau Purple 3, Kelso 1; Alsab 2, Whirlaway 1; Big Spruce 2, Forego 1; Wajima 2, Forego 1; Cabrini Green 4, John Henry 0; Darby Creek Road 3, John Henry 0; Gallant Bloom 4, Shuvee 1; Damascus 2, Dr Fager 2; Akureyri 3, Pleasant Colony 1; Formal Gold 4, Skip Away 2; Billy Kelly 8, Sir Barton 4; Summer Squall 4, Unbridled 2; Bayern 2, California Chrome 1; Star of Cozzene 3, Kotashaan 1; & an endless amount of others. It was all done ILLEGALLY by ss - the illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill of the drug-reliant ss admitted to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss. But Harthill couldn't do so in NY because both himself & all drugs were banned in NY. Harthill was arrested & banned an endless amount of times in numerous states for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses. So the drug-reliant & illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant ss was FORCED to run drug-free with no drugs at all (& without his illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill) only 1 time in one race in his whole career - in which he not only got crushed by the Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer, but ss barely beat Le Voyageur (who never won even one stake race his whole career) because ss was forced to run drug-free in the only state in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs & also banned the illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. In the Test of the Champion drug-free Belmont Stakes Easy Goer killed ss; like wheat separating from chaff, the cream rose to the top. Easy Goer ran drug-free in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, which banned all performance enhancing drugs; while the drug-reliant & illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. The Litmus Test of a Champion is running & winning drug-free without any performance enhancing drugs; & during that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill. In the drug-free EG's few very slim losses by the narrowest of margins to the drug-reliant ss, ss needed all of his performance enhancing drugs administered to him & still only beat him by the slimmest of margins. Plus, The drug-free Easy Goer won G1 races at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f drug-free with much less time & rest between races & ran many more races at more fluctuating, different distances in faster times with far superior speed figures & performance ratings; while the drug-reliant ss only won G1 races at 9f to 10f with his ped drugs & much more time & rest between races & ran far less races. And most importantly, Alex Harthill confessed to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Etorphine, Sublimaze, etc) to ss. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was just better than the drug-dependent & illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill-dependent sunday silence. Harthill confessed to DRF's Hovdey of illegally giving illegal ped drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss; but he couldn't do so in the only state (NY) in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal vet Harthill as well. The criminal vet of ss, Alex Harthill, confessed in 2001 to DRF's Jay Hovdey, to illegally administering illegal ped drugs to sunday silence (plus many other horses), including the significantly powerful potent performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol (an extraordinary drug with 2 completely different effects that dramatically & greatly enhance performance & significantly enhance speed, stamina, endurance, lung capacity & energy levels; it greatly aids breathing by significantly expanding the air passages in the lungs letting air flow much more freely, & it causes rapid fat burning significantly decreasing fat; it also has a similar effect on the body as Epinephrine & Amphetamines by increasing the production of Epinephrine & Noradrenaline, & thus significantly enhancing performance: it also thins blood & widens the vessels that carry oxygen, so the volume of oxygen in the blood increases, & thus significantly increases energy, & thus significantly enhances performance), Sublimaze (A Potent Narcotic So powerful that it makes horses feel like they don't even have legs, & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute), & Etorphine (An Opiate 80,000 Times More Powerful than Morphine - So powerful that it also makes horses feel like they don't even have legs, & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute). Besides Harthill admitting it, there is the CERTAINTY of MOUNDS of more evidence regarding Harthill's illegalities. Case closed.
@@sigscorpion9275 POOR POOR SIGMUND, IT'S THE 120% TRUTH. Nothing more real than a voluntary admission. Who's the ventriloquist & who's the dummy puppet? Which one's whole hand is up the other's wazoo? The ventriloquist already found the link (s). Caps lock doesn't help you. You are the best at cut and paste. UA-cam doesn't allow articles to be posted in comments or response comments. Just like New York was the only state in the entire country that banned (did not allow) all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well.
@@sigscorpion9275 POOR POOR SIGMUND, IT'S THE 120% TRUTH. Nothing more real than a voluntary admission. Who's the ventriloquist & who's the dummy puppet? Which one's whole hand is up the other's wazoo? The ventriloquist already found the link (s). Caps lock doesn't help you. You are the best at cut and paste. UA-cam doesn't allow articles to be posted in comments or response comments. Just like New York was the only state in the entire country that banned (did not allow) all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well.
Sigmund sig If the question had been - which horse's wins & accomplishments were done drug-free without any drugs - Easy Goer or Sunday Silence? The answer is Easy Goer. Every person, or most at the least, who was a proponent of drug-free racing without any drugs, would have voted for Easy Goer. Every person, or most at the least, who was an opponent of drug-free racing without any drugs (or didn't care), would have voted for SS. The BIGGEST races horses could win are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races (& were/are the biggest races). Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races (& were/are the biggest races). Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all. New York was the only state in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Harthill as well. The Litmus Test of a Champion is running & winning drug-free without any performance enhancing drugs, without any drugs; & during that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill [banned, suspended, fined & arrested an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses]. During that era, it was a huge credit to NY [& the rest of the whole world] that the endless amount of their championship G1 races stood as gigantic obstacles to drug-reliant horses like ss; & these horses, like ss & many others, got exposed badly when they were forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races. Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races. Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all. New York had the most advanced out-of-competition, training & raceday testing. Literally, hundreds of drugs were permitted & legal in every state except NY back then; & this is NOT even counting all of the illegal drugs like the illegal performance enhancing drugs that Harthill (admittedly) administered, the powerful illegal stimulants, narcotics, opioids, opiates, potent diuretics, ergogenic drugs, blood boosters, blood doping drugs, corticosteroids, amphetamines, methylphenidate, ephedrine, noradrenaline, erythropoietin, epinephrine, potent bronchodilators, anabolic steroids, long-acting steroid injections, or drugs that have the same effects as these & many other drugs. New York was not only the only state in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs (& as importantly also banned the illegal criminal vet Harthill as well), NY also was the only state that tested for a vast amount of these & other drugs with a zero tolerance policy - zero amount of any drugs allowed without having to quibble about even trace amounts & concentrations. NY was also the only state in the US that took blood tests of horses during out-of-competition training before, on & after their race days, & a horse was scratched & the trainer fined & suspended if the tests turned up positive of any drugs. You can be damn sure that both EG & SS both ran drug-free without any drugs (& without ss's banned illegal criminal vet Harthill as well) when running in the Belmont in NY because NY was the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Harthill as well. It means Easy Goer had 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, while SS had 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. It means Easy Goer 14, SS 0 drug-free without any drugs; it means EG 1, ss 0 drug-free without any drugs. The 3-1 (done ILLEGALLY [admitted by Harthill] by the slimmest of margins) means as much or as little as Noor 4, Citation 1; Beau Purple 3, Kelso 1; Alsab 2, Whirlaway 1; Big Spruce 2, Forego 1; Wajima 2, Forego 1; Cabrini Green 4, John Henry 0; Darby Creek Road 3, John Henry 0; Gallant Bloom 4, Shuvee 1; Damascus 2, Dr Fager 2; Akureyri 3, Pleasant Colony 1; Formal Gold 4, Skip Away 2; Billy Kelly 8, Sir Barton 4; Summer Squall 4, Unbridled 2; Bayern 2, California Chrome 1; Star of Cozzene 3, Kotashaan 1; & an endless amount of others. It was all done ILLEGALLY by ss by the narrowest of margins - the illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill of the drug-reliant ss admitted to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss. In the Test of the Champion drug-free Belmont Stakes Easy Goer killed ss; like wheat separating from chaff, the cream rose to the top. Easy Goer ran drug-free in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, which banned all performance enhancing drugs; while the drug-reliant & illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all.
"As usual, jockey Pat Day did his Absolute Best to Lose! Day's rides in the Preakness, Whitney, Woodward and Classic {in 1989} were awful and as bad as can be." Pat Day messed up infinitely, utterly and wholly -- Day's infinite incompetence and utter ineptitude indeed was on full display while winning as well. The trainer McGaughey {who also messed up infinitely} and Owner Phipps also both messed up infinitely by being so close to taking the mount {agreeing and admitting to Day's awful riding} from Pat Day after the Preakness, but not doing so then, and by not doing so afterwards.
Well let's face it the Bald Eagle was a little sharper than the drunk Shug McGauhey...... and as plays out in recent times Churchill Downs & the Kentucky Squad play by their own rules! I don't know if it's still there but I can remember walking into Hardhill's Veterinary establishment across from the Stable Gate at Churchill and looking up and seeing all those throats that were pickled in alcohol with holes through them from being scoped by the modern-day veterinarians now.... when they get a hot yearling at the Keeneland sale some of them poor babies are scoped 20-30 times!!!! Did you ever think about that? So they may need a few drugs to outlast their yearling sale....
For about the last 40 years, I witnessed all the true greats in person- Secretariat, Forego, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Bid and others. Since Spectacular Bid ran about 34-35 years ago, Easy Goer has by far been the greatest horse I have witnessed. Sunday is obviously also up there among them, as is Cigar, John Henry, Ghostzapper, Alysheba, Point Given, Smarty Jones, Skip Away and Holy Bull.
Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela did outride Pat ron franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop start Day. So did McCarron for that matter. So did Pincay, Cordero, Stevens, Bailey etc. McGaughey and Day were both pitiful. McGaughey was and is the most conservative trainer of all-time who rarely trained his horses for speed, no matter how much big-time brilliant speed a horse like Easy Goer possessed. Pat ron franklin esque Day was the most tentative, passive, conservative, start-stop rider of all-time. Many of Pat Ron Franklin esque Day's rides on Easy Goer, Forty Niner, Seeking the Gold, Sky Classic, Turkoman, Heavenly Prize, Rampage, Timber Country, Menifee, Surfside, Java Gold, etc were Ron Franklin - esque! Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it. Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, inside, outside, back inside, back outside. Better or superior is definitely subjective. Having acknowledged that: Take nothing away from Sunday Silence as he was a great horse, but Easy Goer was a superior, greater, better, stronger and faster horse; Pat Valenzuela and Chris McCarron were better jockeys than Pat Day, a.k.a Pat ron franklin-esque Day; and the master trainer Charlie the Bald Eagle Whittingham was a better trainer than Claude Shug McGaughey. Would have been very interesting and great to see Easy Goer if he was trained and or ridden by Woody Stephens, Allen Jerkens, Bob Baffert, Wayne Lukas, Cordero, Bailey, Pincay, Stevens, Romero, Santos etc.
Best Preakness of all time the DRF describes the race as the one horse not giving a other a step was at the eighth pole loudest I have ever been to the track
You full of crap take your beating. As had a bigger fan club than ss. I am a Nutural. Turfite. Love horse racing in it from late fifties. So I have no sentiments just fair judgement. And I think as was better. 3 out of 4. Says it all
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song, Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Pat Ron Franklin Esque Day said, "I was on the far superior, far better horse in Easy Goer, but we lost a few photos to him by the slimmest of margins totally due to rider errors on my part. I had far more horse than I knew what to do with."
@@sigscorpion9275 Sicko psycho troll, it is shown and posted above a million times just for you Travis West, aka sigsc, aka a million other names you use.
He pulled him back to much. Easy could out stamina any horse he raced against in 89. Look at him going away in the belmont. Most horses trip up in the Belmont because of its length. Logic would dictate you don't keep throttling back your horse. He did and it cost easy. Sunday was a great horse. Not saying he wasn't. Easy was thesuperior animal imo.
@@Kimberlytheresam That's completely subjective. And even Secretariat LOST MANY races to 7 bottom level horses (Herbull, Fleet n Royal, Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light, Master achiever, etc) by a combined 12 lengths while carrying feathery low weights.
@@sigscorpion9275 Late? You're early, late, early, late. You are on here 24/7 & 365 days a year morning, afternoon, evening, late night, middle of the night, etc. I'm only here for you.
@@sigscorpion9275 Easy Goer 14, ss 0 is the evidence. EG 1, ss 0 is the evidence. Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, ss 0 wins drug-free without any drugs.
"The use & abuse of drugs disgraced & dishonored the year of Sunday Silence. All should not bestow honors on drug-dependent horses. Even trainer Charlie Whittingham acknowledged his colt's impediments, & didn't run him in the Travers Stakes in view of the fact that he wouldn't have been able to utilize drugs there in New York. Sunday Silence, & many other horses, would never have made it minus drugs. Sunday Silence is a drug-dependent horse. ALL of his races IN 1989, EXCEPT the Belmont Stakes in New York, came with the benefit of various drugs, INCLUDING the diuretic DRUG FUROSEMIDE, which is a performance enhancer in many ways & can flush & mask the presence of many other illegal drugs in drug tests. Sunday Silence required the assistance of drugs to WIN his races, while he sustained a MONUMENTAL LOSS to EASY GOER when he wasn't able to use the drugs. Because of Sunday Silence's advantage of drugs, all call into question his accomplishments as a horse. Sunday Silence, like Sunny's Halo, Spend a Buck, Gate Dancer & Wild Again before him, is a classic, illustrative example of why drugs & racing don't merge, especially at the sport's highest level. After his narrow drug-aided wins in the Kentucky Derby & Preakness, Sunday Silence went to New York in search of winning the Belmont Stakes & the Triple Crown. Because New York doesn't allow horses to run on any drugs -it's the only jurisdiction in America that doesn't-the suspicion was whether he could win without being given the drugs. It was a distressingly captivating matter in question, which served to remove the Triple Crown of the excitement & allure it has always had. Sunday Silence got overwhelmed in the Belmont, finishing a widening 8 lengths behind Easy Goer. Sunday Silence required the assistance of drugs to WIN his races, while he sustained a monumental loss when he wasn't able to use the drugs. Even trainer Charlie Whittingham acknowledged his colt's impediments, & didn't run him in the Travers Stakes in view of the fact that he wouldn't have been able to utilize drugs there in New York. No wonder so many in New York condemn the usage of drugs. Sunday Silence, & many other horses, would never have made it minus drugs. The use & abuse of drugs disgraced & dishonored the year of Sunday Silence. All should not bestow honors on drug-dependent horses." DRF Jan 90 Mike Watchmaker.
I don't know what you are arguing. I never said, nor did GBeret, a win isn't a win, or a win by a nose isn't as significant as winning by a big margin. The original argument was simply reversing only 1 race(yes, it happened to be 1 race with a very narrow margin by a nose). And the fact that Easy Goer(like Cy,Kelso,Skip Away,Forego,Pleasant Colony,John Henry etc) had superior careers . Arguments can play on both sides, I understand that. The reverse Examples would be:Though different ages, Affirmed(like Easy Goer) had a superior career than Slew(like Sunday), but Slew was 2-0(though he won easily in both by open lengths) head to head & was narrowly ranked higher. Same ages, Arts and Letters had a superior career than Majestic Prince, but MP was 2-1 head to head & was ranked far ahead of A&L.
I still think Easy was the better horse. Its almost like he was more interested in looking at Sunday rather than passing him. He did the same thing in the belmont but in that race after the look, he blew on by him. Sunday was also a great horse...do not get me wrong....just have a very special place in my heart for the great Easy Goer.
3-1 record Sunday Silence over Easy Goer. It's not even close. If anything, the logical view is that SS just had a bad day for that SINGLE loss. In any sport where winning is determined by individual performance, 3-1 is unquestionable.
Rich Chyczewski Who's better in any way for both sides is totally subjective. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
@@DELMARCLUB1 Nice dissertation. They met 4 times Sunday Silence beat him 3 times.Sunday Silence had up close tactical speed and was a monster accelerating on the turn,Easy goer needed to come from a bit off the pace.Who would you rather bet in most horse races on the dirt in N America? SS really was the better horse and proved it 3 times out of 4.Also don't forget SS raced with lasix and at that time was not allowed in Ny so the Belmont race was a bit marred by that lack of medication for SS.
Easy Goer had front running speed (on the lead wire to wire running blazingly fast paces in the Suburban & Champagne) and up close tactical speed (Champagne, Suburban, Gotham, Belmont, Preakness, Travers, Whitney, Jockey Club Gold Cup and many others) and was a monster accelerating on straightaways, larger turns (on tracks larger than a mile) and sharp turns on smaller tracks (as he did in the Swale Stakes). Easy Goer was really the better horse (even though who's better in any way is totally subjective) and proved it. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Plus the fact that Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career. Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Easy Goer ran drug-free, SS ran with drugs; SS needed drugs, EG did not need drugs. Easy Goer ran many more races drug-free at more fluctuating, different distances with much less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more time and rest between races with drugs. There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile 1 full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances; Easy Goer ran far superior speed figures drug-free at more fluctuating, different distances with much less time between drug-free races. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more drug-free races in a shorter time period with much less time and rest between races, and at more varying distances. SS ran significantly less races with drugs and with much more time and rest between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. SS's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause & effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training/trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - avg win margin & avg loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Easy Goer had front running speed (on the lead wire to wire running blazingly fast paces in the Suburban & Champagne) and up close tactical speed (Champagne, Suburban, Gotham, Belmont, Preakness, Travers, Whitney, Jockey Club Gold Cup and many others) and was a monster accelerating on straightaways, larger turns (on tracks larger than a mile) and sharp turns on smaller tracks (as he did in the Swale Stakes). Easy Goer was really the better horse (even though who's better in any way is totally subjective) and proved it. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Plus the fact that Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career. Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Easy Goer ran drug-free, SS ran with drugs; SS needed drugs, EG did not need drugs. Easy Goer ran many more races drug-free at more fluctuating, different distances with much less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more time and rest between races with drugs. There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile 1 full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances; Easy Goer ran far superior speed figures drug-free at more fluctuating, different distances with much less time between drug-free races. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more drug-free races in a shorter time period with much less time and rest between races, and at more varying distances. SS ran significantly less races with drugs and with much more time and rest between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. SS's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause & effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training/trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - avg win margin & avg loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Copying and pasting others comments about the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer is the GREATEST FORM of Flattery. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, when you imitate what others say, it’s the biggest compliment to those people you are imitating and copying and pasting.
I can't help but notice if Sunday Silence hadn't squeezed Eas yGoer into the rail, the later would probably have held on. It's got to have disrupted his rhythm having to think about not crashing into the rail. This is typical ending to such a nose to nose battle - the outer horse has the choice of finding firmer ground out wide or squeezing the opponent on to the rail - whereas the inner horse has no choice of where to go.
Easy Goer squeezed Sunday Silence against Houston's hind quarters..causing Sunday Silence to check and lose momentum at a critical point in the race.Also Pay Day said Easy Goer simply tanked out down the last furlong. It was a fair clean race coming around the last turn..Both had a legit chance to win the race
@@cominatcha6223 Yep. He tanked out because he was intimidated by Sunday Silence. Sunday Silence had a fierce, menacing look with ears pinned. Easy Goer is looking back at him with a concerned look. This is why Easy Goer lost all of their close battles. It also tells you truly who the superior horse was. Easy Goer also made Sunday Silence check before coming into the stretch so he was definitely the superior animal on this day.
Connor Duke Indeed. Easy Goer was a far superior horse. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was a far better horse than the drug-dependent & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-dependent sunday silence. Easy Goer ran many freakish performances on many different tracks & did it drug-free without any drugs & without the rider using the whip. Between the two horses, EG & SS, the ONLY horse of the 2 who got DRILLED was Sunday Silence when SS was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well. Nothing will make that go away. Clearly, Sunday Silence was most definitely exposed as a drug-dependent fraud, as he was not only drilled & crushed by Easy Goer when forced to run drug-free w/o any drugs, but ss barely beat the turd claimer Le Voyageur. When ss was given all of his ped drugs he then romped over the turd claimer Le Voyageur in the Louisiana Downs Derby. Nothing will make that go away. SS LOST 4 RACES in his very short career on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than a mile, & 10 of his 14 career races were against a bunch of turds. Easy Goer won on all 3 sized tracks (8f, 9f & 12f sized tracks); sunday silence did NOT. Easy Goer won G1 races drug-free without any drugs at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f with much less time & rest between races at more fluctuating, different distances while carrying & conceding more weight, & ran faster times at all distances, & ran far superior speed figures & performance ratings at all distances, & he ran many more career races. Sunday Silence only won G1 races with performance enhancing drugs at 9f to 10f with much more time & rest between races, & ran far less career races. Nothing will make that go away. Sunday Silence was even afforded the benefit of (a) running with the performance enhancing drugs Lasix (6 length performance enhancement), Clenbuterol, etc., vs Easy Goer, while Easy Goer ran drug-free without any drugs, (b) EG going into the Derby with 13 days rest, with SS going into the Derby with a full months rest, & EG having cracks in BOTH front feet for the Derby & Preakness, as well as EG having a crooked turned-out left knee, a clubfoot, very problematic enlarged ankles & knees, short upright pasterns, & back at the knee, (c) in the Derby EG being cut off badly by Northern Wolf & Dansil, (d) in the Preakness having Valenzuela deviously force EG out 8 or 9 wide to the stables down the backstretch, then EG flew by & passed ss completely legally without shutting him off or cutting him off or forcing him to steady (this is confirmed by the 1989 Belmont Stakes Full Broadcast video showing the head-on video), then having Valenzuela deviously bang & push EG in as tight as can be scraping the dead rail, then having his awful rider turn his head out with the lead right before the wire, not to mention his inferior trainer & inferior rider making glaringly obvious major mistakes for/in many races, (e) EG was prepped in a 12f race for the 10f BC Classic (a longer prep race has the hazardous consequence of dulling natural speed and blunting the speed needed in a shorter race, while generating the horse's stamina at the expense of speed) with only a few weeks time between the 12f race & the 10f BCC, while SS had 6 weeks rest between his final 10f prep for the BCC, & EG suffered a bout of tympanic colic on BC Classic day (Ray Paulick declared this in his book), & Easy Goer still was only narrowly edged in a few races by the slimmest of margins to the performance-enhancing drugs-filled Sunday Silence, because ss was given the ped drugs Lasix & Clenbuterol. Everyone knows that Clenbuterol & Lasix are potent performance enhancing drugs. Performance enhancing drugs are NOT AT ALL grasping at straws. Performance enhancing drugs are NOT AT ALL making excuses. Nothing will make all of this go away. Secretariat got drilled & Lost Many Big Races to the TURDS Herbull, Master Achiever, Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light & Fleet n Royal by a Combined 11 Lengths while carrying feathery low weights. Citation lost 4 out of 5 times to Noor. Kelso lost 3 out of 4 times to Beau Purple. Forego lost 2 out of 3 times to Big Spruce & Wajima. Dr Fager lost 2 out of 4 times to Damascus by a combined 12 lengths. John Henry lost to Cabrini Green 4 out of 4 times. John Henry lost to Darby Creek Road 3 out of 3 times. Shuvee lost 4 out of 5 times to Gallant Bloom. Skip Away lost 4 out of 6 times to Formal Gold. Sir Barton lost 8 out of 12 times to Billy Kelly. Whirlaway lost 2 out of 3 times to Alsab. California Chrome lost 2 out of 3 times to Bayern, etc etc.
@@benjudah610 Hadn't hard Sunday Silence was om drugs, but will check it out more. All of Secretariat's were due to being entered sick or untrained, crashed at the post in a spring or ridiculous DQ. Without bad racing luck he whipped all comers and ran faster times at nearly all distances than even Easy Goer.
Sunday Silence needed to take a drug, Lasix, to barely beat EasyGoer 3 times. Where the Lasix was banned, EasyGoer wins by 6 lengths at Belmont with the 2nd fastest Belmont Stakes ever. Moreover, the overall winning percentage of EasyGoer (this in more Grade 1 races), along with the mile race where EasyGoer came very close to Dr. Fager's world record, leads to the conclusion that EasyGoer was the better racer.
You need to take your blinkers off after all these years .Easy Goer had the length of the stretch to beat him and he could not do it.The only thing the Belmont proved was that Easy Goer could win on his home track @ a mile and half probably could not beat Sunday Silence @ Belmont mile and quarter
Lasix cost Alysheba the Triple Crown. Belmont in its "backwards" ways banning pretty common anti-bleeding medication is really stupid. I would say Alydar had a better 1 1/2 pedigree than did Halo.
I don't think Easy Goer could win outside of New York. Sunday Silence didn't have to take the track with him. He posted wins in several states on several tracks.
I remember watching this live and to this day this is the greatest horserace I've ever seen. I just wish Sunday Silence would have finished off the triple crown but Easy Goer was not going to be denied in the Belmont
IT'S Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, SS 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. Easy Goer 14, SS 0 drug-free without any drugs; EG 1, ss 0 drug-free without any drugs. The 3-1 (done ILLEGALLY [admitted by Harthill] by the slimmest of margins) means as much or as little as Noor 4, Citation 1; Beau Purple 3, Kelso 1; Alsab 2, Whirlaway 1; Big Spruce 2, Forego 1; Wajima 2, Forego 1; Cabrini Green 4, John Henry 0; Darby Creek Road 3, John Henry 0; Gallant Bloom 4, Shuvee 1; Damascus 2, Dr Fager 2; Akureyri 3, Pleasant Colony 1; Formal Gold 4, Skip Away 2; Billy Kelly 8, Sir Barton 4; Summer Squall 4, Unbridled 2; Bayern 2, California Chrome 1; Star of Cozzene 3, Kotashaan 1; & an endless amount of others. It was all done ILLEGALLY by ss by the narrowest of margins - the illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill of the drug-reliant ss admitted to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss. In the Test of the Champion drug-free Belmont Stakes Easy Goer killed ss; like wheat separating from chaff, the cream rose to the top. Easy Goer ran drug-free in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, which banned all performance enhancing drugs; while the drug-reliant & illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. The Litmus Test of a Champion is running & winning drug-free without any performance enhancing drugs; & during that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill [arrested an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses]. During that era, it was a huge credit to NY [& the rest of the whole world] that the endless amount of their championship G1 races stood as gigantic obstacles to drug-reliant horses like ss; & these horses, like ss & many others, got exposed badly when they were forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races. Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races. Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all. In the drug-free EG's few very slim losses by the narrowest of margins to the drug-reliant ss, ss needed all of his performance enhancing drugs administered to him & still only beat him by the slimmest of margins. Plus, The drug-free Easy Goer won G1 races at 7f, 1 mile, 9f, 10f & 12f drug-free with much less time & rest between races & ran many more races at more fluctuating, different distances in faster times with far superior speed figures & performance ratings; while the drug-reliant ss only won G1 races at 9f to 10f with his ped drugs & much more time & rest between races & ran far less races. And most importantly, Alex Harthill confessed to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Etorphine, Sublimaze, etc) to ss. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was just better than the drug-dependent & illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill-dependent sunday silence. Harthill confessed to DRF's Hovdey of illegally giving illegal ped drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss; but he couldn't do so in the only state (NY) in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal vet Harthill as well. The criminal vet of ss, Alex Harthill, confessed in 2001 to DRF's Jay Hovdey, to illegally administering illegal ped drugs to sunday silence (plus many other horses), including the significantly powerful potent performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol (an extraordinary drug with 2 completely different effects that dramatically & greatly enhance performance & significantly enhance speed, stamina, endurance, lung capacity & energy levels; it greatly aids breathing by significantly expanding the air passages in the lungs letting air flow much more freely, & it causes rapid fat burning significantly decreasing fat; it also has a similar effect on the body as Epinephrine & Amphetamines by increasing the production of Epinephrine & Noradrenaline, & thus significantly enhancing performance: it also thins blood & widens the vessels that carry oxygen, so the volume of oxygen in the blood increases, & thus significantly increases energy, & thus significantly enhances performance), Sublimaze (A Potent Narcotic So powerful that it makes horses feel like they don't even have legs, & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute), & Etorphine (An Opiate 80,000 Times More Powerful than Morphine - So powerful that it also makes horses feel like they don't even have legs, & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute). Besides Harthill admitting it, there is the CERTAINTY of MOUNDS of more evidence regarding Harthill's illegalities. Harthill admitted to administering the illegal ped drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, & Etorphine to ss. Case closed.
Pat Day gave Easy Goer Brutal confusing Trips during Most of Easy Goers Races while the rest of the Horses in all those fields Broke from gate got position and waited to make their move...Pat day broke slow with Easy Goer...Got blocked...Pinched...Shuffled back...Wide...Move horse up...Pull him back...Move him up again...Multiple moves during Races...Never understood this but it was so Glaring to see...Belmont Stakes was an example of The Proper trip to give this Horse and his talent...Sit close right off the Pace and relax...And Pounce when ready...Pat day was either confused on what Trip he should give the horse race to race or he was Spoiled aboard the horse and thought he could do whatever he wanted in the race with the horse...Even in the Classic he broke awkwardly in 6th Position 6 lengths off Sunday Silence...Made move on backstretch to make up 6 lengths sitting right behind Sunday Silence...Waited and Waited while Sunday Silence took off toward the lead...And had to make up 5 more lengths in Mid stretch...Personally i did not think the Preakness was such a bad ride...Problem was he should have kept pushing Easy Goer toward the lead instead of relaxing and letting Sunday Silence get on top of him so quickly...And he was tightly pinned on rail ENTIRE stretch which was a HUGE advantage for his Rival...Easy Goer had all the Talent but also an "Unlucky" Horse in a few Big races which i feel he was the 'Better" Horses during those narrow Losses at the Wire...Should NEVER have lost the Classic as the Heavy 1-2 Favorite...Closing to Lose by a "Neck" at the Wire aboard the 1-2 Favorite is Unforgivable...Easy Goer kicked in too late and absolutely FLEW by Sunday Silence right after the Wire...Personally watching that race it was also obvious that Easy Goer was Sluggish throughout Most of Race...Probably the Grueling campaign before that Classic...His Rival was extremely Fresh coming into the Classic and was also given what Chris McCarron called "My greatest ride of my Career" as he claimed he "Stole" the Race from Easy Goer
Clenbuterol has been LEGALIZED A LONG LONG LONG TIME AGO as well! Clenbuterol also became as popular, influential & LEGAL in every state except NY, just like Furosemide. In fact, the combination of the incredibly effective performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol & Lasix became the biggest hops.
Certainly was one of the greatest races ever because it was between two of the greatest horses of all-time. "Remarkable stretch duel; they were generosity personified as they battled; these two extraordinary horses gave everything they had!"
"Better" for both cases or either side is totally subjective. "Better" in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY LIMITED number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses. Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
You can be damn sure that people & publications who saw Hovdey's article & wrote about it DID mention this & other facts. Why did they only focus on Harthill's illegal use of the diuretic Furosemide to ND & Harthill's introduction & illegal use of Clenbuterol in the 80's? Perhaps, because these 2 drugs became the most widely used, most popular, most influential LEGAL (BOTH) drugs, among numerous other drugs, used. In the Voss 2020 article titled, "When It Comes To Lasix & Federal Legislation, Horse Racing Has Been Here Before," Voss states, "Controversial vet Alex Harthill ADMITTED to using furosemide on Fear A Bit, a runner on the undercard of the 74 Kentucky Derby , at about 2 p.m. on race day. The horse ran significantly better than he had in his past several starts & officials wanted to know why." That's incorrect & also 10 years after Harthill admitted to Hovdey that he gave the illegal drug to ND. Why didn't Voss & her publications mention that Harthill said he gave the illegal drug to ND in the actual Derby in 64 a FULL 10 yrs prior to an UNKNOWN horse who only ran in an undercard race? Did Voss & her publication NOT want to denigrate the famous ND (& his trainer), & so instead only mentioned an unknown horse who ran in an undercard race a full 10 years later? And no mention of the top horses Harthill treated in the actual 74 Derby itself. Did Voss NOT want to denigrate the top horses (& trainers) who ran in the 74 Derby? By the same token, Harthill also admitted he gave the same illegal drug Furosemide to other top horses Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Why didn't Voss & others mention these other top horses? Perhaps, Voss didn't want to denigrate these other top horses & trainers? Perhaps, because Furosemide became so popular, influential & legal in every state except NY? Perhaps, because ND was the most famous, or the illegal doping scheme? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey that he gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Perhaps, the publications didn't want to denigrate these other top horses & trainers? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey of illegally giving SS the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. Harthill also admitted to Hovdey that he gave the same illegal ped drugs to other horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Unbridled, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Lil E Tee, & Black Tie Affair. Why did other articles only mention that Harthill introduced Clenbuterol (& mentioned Sublimaze also) in the ‘80s, & trainers who knew (or used) Harthill benefited greatly, with no mention of any of the horses? Why did other articles mention Sublimaze & a test for it only starting in 1979 (but from 79 to 95, the only state that banned it & all other drugs was NY)? Perhaps, they also did not want to denigrate SS & these other horses/trainers? Perhaps, because Clenbuterol became so popular, influential & LEGAL in every state except NY. Why doesn't every publication (or even a few) mention this about all of these horses? Perhaps, some of these people want to portray that Furosemide, Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, etc., are just fine & no big deal, & they don't want to tell the truth & expose this stuff about a sport & industry that employs them. When the racing writer Bill Nack exposed facts about fatal injuries & the use of both legal & illegal drugs, calling both "appalling & unacceptable by any humane standard", many in racing not only turned against Nack as a result, they despised him for it; & Nack's exposure of these facts were NOT cited by every publication, or even a few publications. Perhaps many despise Hovdey & many others for exposing this or parts of it, & others do not want to tell the truth & expose this stuff about a sport & industry that employs them.
"Easy Goer met and fulfilled those dreams and expectations embodied in his powerful chestnut frame, and he authored an unforgettable Hall of Fame championship career, and he is mentioned in the same breath with the GREATEST of ALL TIME." Tom LaMarra. "Easy Goer and Sunday Silence were inches apart but miles ahead of their contemporaries. In the absence of either, each probably would have been a dominant Triple Crown winner with only history as a benchmark. Instead, each proved each others greatness." Daily Racing Form.
I will repeat the specifics. ONLY? ONLY? Who said only? I said and have repeated this: SS was ranked slightly ahead of Easy Goer Mostly (Mainly, Largely) because of the head to head record Specifically in the Biggest races. There are obviously plenty of Other factors as I have noted. Some of these are, Easy Goer's career accomplishments and body of work were superior to SS. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 GI wins, ran some of the most impressive races in history at many distances, fastest mile of all time by a 3 yr old in 1:32.2, just one fifth off Dr Fager's world record, second fastest Belmont Stakes of all time, ran amidst the fastest editions of many time honored, revered, historic races in the 9F Whitney, 10f Travers, 10F Suburban, 12F Belmont, 8F Gotham, 8F Champagne, 7F Swale, 6.5F at age 2 etc, beat older horses 3 times as a 3 yr old (4 times if you count the BCC, 2 of them while conceding weight), superiority & dominance in many races, etc. SS lost only 1 less race, but ran 6 less races than EG. Easy Goer & SS had about the same earning, but SS had a huge $1 million dollar VISA bonus included in his earnings, while EG had no bonuses in his earnings. Your "other factors." Easy Goer's winning % was better than SS's even with running 6 more total races. Easy Goer "won more races", won more "major stakes besides the biggest stakes", and "achieved a better winning %." SS lost 9 of 14, didn't run enough (as you also have said before), almost half of his races (6 of 14) were Not run in GI races, won only 3 other total career GI's, beat older horses ONCE in a wt for age race as a 3 yr old. Pleasant Colony did EXACTLY what SS did (won 2/3 of TC & ONE big wt for age race, won 6 total GI races), though SS's overall record was slightly better (9 of 14 vs 6 of 14). Without running against EG, I would rank SS slightly ahead of Pleasant Colony (not a top one hundred horse) IMO. PC (nor any other horse) should NOT be penalized b/c there was no BCC for him to wait around & run in at the end of the year (nor should or any other horse be rewarded). Without facing SS, IMO EG still did more than No. 36 Gallant Man, No. 38 Challedon, No. 40 Busher, No. 53 Sword Dancer, No. 58 Slew O Gold, No. 67 Arts & Letters, and many other horses on the list. Winning The TC & in more recent years BCC are among the biggest factors in BH rankings? Well no horse has won the TC in over 37 years, so that is not "recent." As for some of the horses who won the TC, Omaha, Sir Barton, Assault, Whirlaway & Gallant Fox are not that highly ranked, considering they all won the TC. As for some of the more "recent" horses who won 2/3 of the TC: Tabasco Cat, Hansel, Thunder Gulch, Swale, Risen Star, Pleasant Colony, Alysheba (No. 42, but he lost 7 of 10 races at age 3, his rankings are largely due to his 4 yr old campaign), Silver Charm (No. 63, but he also had a full campaign as an older horse), Real Quiet, Little Current, Bold Forbes, Canonero, Forward Pass, Kaui King & Charismatic are not that highly ranked (most NOT ranked at all). I don't believe War Emblem, Funny Cide, Big Brown, Afleet Alex, or I'll Have Another would have made the top one hundred either (had they run in the 20th century). Possibly Smarty Jones & Point Given would have made it if they had run in the 20th century, but they didn't run enough IMO. As for the BCC, 19 of 30 BCC winners did NOT win HOY and/or a year end award in the years they won it. As for the 2 other BCC winners to be "ranked" in the BH, I think Both Cigar & Skip Away did plenty enough in their careers to be "ranked" by BH, with or without their one BCC win each.
Sunday Silence was the king. He went on to be a foundation sire in Japan. Virtually no achieving thoroughbred there does not carry his genes. Our loss was their gain.
In my opinion Easy goer was interfered with and Sunday Silence should have been disqualified .
I am sure there would have been an objection lodged if there were any chance to have him set down. Sunday Silence was pinched off by the two leaders and had to go wide, otherwise, he might have won more decisively.
Easy Goer 1, SS 3 is the legal, moral, ethical score & the only one that counts legally, morally & ethically, & is in the legal, moral, ethical record books. The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs, & that is why the legal, moral, ethical score is Easy Goer 1 SS 3 AND THAT IS TOTALLY TRUE IT STILL STANDS IN THE RECORD BOOKS AND WILL NEVER BE CHANGED
@@juniorjohnson5961 AT WHAT POINT?
@@sigscorpion9275 Alex Harthill told all how & why the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence beat the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer by the slimmest of margins in a few races. Harthill said, "You can only REVERE the horses (Easy Goer, etc) whom my horses (Sunday Silence, etc) defeated even more, to do all they (Easy Goer, etc) were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short (Easy Goer, etc) of horses (Sunday Silence, etc) who had been given performance-enhancing drugs (Sunday Silence, etc) by myself." It's the truth based on Alex Harthill's voluntary admission to DRF Hovdey in 2001, plus all of the 88-90 DRF & FIGS Forms; 2012 NY Post article titled "The 11 horse who missed out on Triple Crown at Belmont" found on the web; DRF's Mike Watchmaker, Ed Fountaine & Paul Moran; Wikipedia articles with many reliable sources cited; 2 Claiborne Farm books; KY Law; NY Law; DRF, Bloodhorse & Thor. Record/Times; & mounds more. 120% TRUTH. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer cremated the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence when ss was forced to run drug-free without any drugs in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well. "Kentucky Derby Doctor Alex Harthill Reveals Disgraceful Past: Harthill Reflects on Unlawful Life's Work. Harthill Discloses He Administered Forbidden Performance-Enhancing Drugs To Many American Classic Winners In The Kentucky Derby, Preakness And Breeders' Cup Classic." How about the Belmont Stakes & the enormous amount of the other major G1 stakes races in New York? How about when the Breeders Cup took place in NY? Harthill was barred in NY. NY also was the only state in the entire country during that era which banned all drugs. NY also had the most advanced out-of-competition, training & raceday testing, & tested for an enormous amount of drugs. DRF 2001 Jay Hovdey: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me (Jay Hovdey/DRF) how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he Publicly Acknowledged Doing So many times. Harthill said, 'I (Harthill) was used for horses (Sunday Silence, etc) pointing for, & running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS & had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses (Sunday Silence, etc) I helped WITH DRUGS IN THEIR CAREERS. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses (Sunday Silence, etc) a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, Don't get me caught, but keep me worried. Even though a horse is 5 or 7 times larger than humans, the amount of dope needed to have an effect is so small. An amount on the tip of a match would be enough to flick up a horse's nose to get a spectacular result. By the time they got my horses to the starting gate they’d be leaping out of their skin. I administered illegal drugs throughout my career that INCREASED the performances of racehorses IN CLASSIC RACES, & almost all of the time I did so, my horses won. You can only revere the horses (Easy Goer, etc) whom my horses (Sunday Silence, etc) defeated even more, to do all they (Easy Goer, etc) were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short (Easy Goer, etc) of horses (Sunday Silence, etc) who had been given performance-enhancing drugs (Sunday Silence, etc) by myself. By doing so, I acknowledge that I effectively stole a large amount of money in my career, & cheated many other horses, trainers, owners & riders I competed against. Nonetheless, I consider my extensive doping as a mark of pride.' "
Without a doubt two of the best horses I ever saw, Easy Goer and Sunday Silence. Spine tingling race and races between them.
This is one of the best races of all time.
I’m Japanese. I just wanna say thank you for Sunday Silence. Sunday Silence is the best horse ever. Thank you.
@@agarisavage4573 were really happy to have Yoshida bringing his blood back to the states ❤️
140 years and we cann't get a better race than this between two truly
outstanding champions. Joe Hirsch - "A classic classic! Everyone will remember the 1989 Preakness and its remarkable stretch duel as long as they live. Sunday Silence and Easy Goer were generosity personified as they battled. No quality of the Thoroughbred is more admired by racing men than courage, and these two outstanding horses gave everything they had in the Preakness. There was a winner, but there was no loser." "In a duel for the ages, the two greats joined battle, they bounded cheek by jowl to the wire. While picking up another cross
on his reins, jockey Pat Day appeared to grab too much right line canting Easy Goer's head to the right, & in the end perhaps costing him the race by the flare of a nostril." - Bill Nack. "The two greats even changed leads in unison at the top of the stretch. They ran side by side, head to head, so close together they were brushing again & again, with Easy Goer also brushing the rail and dangerously close to
it. A jewel of a duel by a snout."- Sports Illustrated
Wow! Great descriptions of this great race.
You can not explain this great race any better. There is no loser here. They both won in my heart. I am crying so hard now😢😢😢
McGaughey said that he was reminded even though the aspirin bute would be given THREE DAYS before a race, KY law absurdly still listed the horses as being given the aspirin bute in the actual race 3 days later on race-day. McGaughey did NOT say that he gave the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute in the BCC at Gulfstream in Florida, & not in the Swale Stakes in Florida, & not in the Preakness in Maryland. McGaughey said he did not give the asprin bute in the Preakness. McGaughey also said that he was reminded even though the aspirin bute would be given THREE DAYS before a race, KY law absurdly still listed the horses as being given the aspirin bute in the actual race 3 days later on race-day. When did KY correct this? 93'. Go look up here on the web of every KY Derby race chart starting from 1993 to 2020, & you will see NOT ONE horse listed as being given the aspirin bute (B) in every Derby. Why? KY did not ban the aspirin bute in 93 & going forward, but because the KY law was/is that the aspirin bute is only permitted to be given 1 to 3 days (2 days was/is the standard) before a race, or 24 to 72 hours before race (48 hours was/is the standard), it was/is incorrect, erroneous & absurd to list horses as being given aspirin bute for races on race-day, nor being on aspirin bute for races on race-day. No wonder why sunday silence was given the potent performance enhancing diuretic drug Furosemide, Banamine (5 times more powerful than the aspirin bute), acetylsalicylic acid, meclofanemic acid, & Naproxen in 13 of his 14 career races; all of these drugs were allowed to be given 4 HOURS before a race, while the aspirin bute was only allowed to be given 1 to 3 days before a race (2 days was/is the standard). No wonder why the banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill gave sunday silence the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. You can be damn sure that both EG & SS both ran drug-free without any drugs (& without ss's banned illegal criminal vet Harthill as well) when running in the Belmont in NY because NY was the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Harthill as well. McGaughey ALSO stated, "Easy Goer had these issues, but he had such an outstanding way of going that he'd glide so smoothly. The issues didn't really bother him, he was so muscular, strong and competitive, he'd run through brick walls, and I never ran him on any medications. He never needed them." Claiborne Farm said, "One of the many claims to fame for Easy Goer is, in an era of vast legal and illegal drug use, he ran his entire career drug-free in 20 starts for a total of well over 20 miles of racing. From the day he was born, Easy Goer had a clubfoot, a crooked turned-out left knee, bad grapefruit sized ankles and knees, but he made up for it all by his exceptional balance, action and stride, and never ran on any drugs."
When McGaughey himself is quoted directly in two 90's Claiborne Farm books, KY Law, all official DRF & FIGS Form papers, Claiborne Farm, Bloodhorse, Thoroughbred Record, DRF, etc., & all (all are reliable sources & all intimately familiar with DRF publications) say that EG ran drug-free & was never given any medications (including the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute) or drugs (race-day medications/drugs) within a minimum of 24 hours (1 Full Day; & most likely 48 hours or 2 days because 48 hours or 2 days was/is the standard) of any race in his career, it means EG did not run or race on any drugs; & they are all 100% correct. EG was never given any medications (including the aspirin bute) or drugs on race-day (within a minimum of 24 hours or 1 Full Day & most likely 48 hours or 2 days because 48 hours or 2 days was/is the standard) of any race in his career. EG also was never given any performance enhancing drugs in his career. Back in the 80's, KY erroneously & incorrectly listed horses as being on (given) bute on race-day, even though they were only permitted by KY law to be given bute 1 to 3 days before a race, 24 to 72 hours before a race, & a minimum of 1 day or 24 hrs before a race. Yet, the diuretic & painkiller drugs Hydrochlorothiazide, Etacrynic Acid, Torasemide, & Furosemide, as well as Banamine, Acetylsalicylic Acid, Meclofanemic Acid & Naproxen were/are allowed to be given within 4 hours of a race, yet KY only listed horses being given Furosemide. "In the 1980's KY law only allowed the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory bute to be given a MINIMUM of at least 24 hours, a FULL DAY, before a race, and up to 72 hours, three days, before a race, but not within 24 hours of a race, not on race-day of a race. However, the diuretic & painkiller drugs Hydrochlorothiazide, Etacrynic Acid, Torasemide, & Furosemide, as well as Banamine, Acetylsalicylic Acid, Meclofanemic Acid & Naproxen all are allowed to be given within 4 hours of a race."
Horse racing wrongs on their website says, "FOIA info indicates ABOUT 6 horses die racing or training in the US EVERY DAY. The 1119, 1141 and 1167 numbers of yearly HRW FOIA deaths could easily and reasonably be doubled, leaving us well in excess of 2,000 deaths." Yes, ABOUT 6. 1119 ÷ 365 = 3.06. 3.06 × 2 = 6.13
Unreal. These two overwhelmingly sensational champions, Easy Goer and Sunday Silence, each had the lead at about five or six different points in this race. Maybe more. Backstretch, second turn, top of the stretch, then through the home stretch a few times back and forth. It doesn't count, but after the finish line when the race was over, Easy Goer was back in front. That's breathtaking to have that many lead changes. What a race. Eight lengths is a big difference between a nose with each horse having the lead at five or six different points through the race, but a win is a win no matter the margin. It counts just the same. What a race between two sensational horses.
One of the best of all times races I had ever seen, I remember the race watching live on my sofa in LOUISVILLE KY. Just few couple of weeks after KY Derby win.
Buitifull school memory. 1989 cannot be forgotten.
It is "shown" and "posted" a million times on all of the videos.
Both Easy Goer and Sunday Silence are underrated to me. They came from the largest foal crop ever of over 50,000 foals, plus other competitors from other huge foal crops in the 1980's. Easy Goer and Sunday Silence most likely denied the other immortality, as both horses most likely would have been immortal Triple Crown winners if not for the other.
I think as time goes by Easy Goer will get his due as it is starting to happen..He consistently ran faster then horses such as Buckpasser, Slew, Alydar- Affirmed, Damascus, Citation, Whirlaway, Gallant Man, and his track records and near track Records plus Amazingly consistent Beyers and Rags confirm that...as and Individual Horse he was a Freak but human error did him no favors..
he got beat 3 out of 4 by Sunday Silence..nothing more needs to be said.
Enough said? Nothing more needs to be said? Not, wrong. That is like saying that Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor & nothing more needs to be said. Not, wrong. That is like saying that Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple & nothing more needs to be said. Not, wrong. That is like saying that Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce & nothing more needs to be said. Not, wrong. That is like saying that Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom & nothing more needs to be said. Not, wrong. Ditto Damascus 2/ Dr Fager 2, Akureyri 3 / Pleasant Colony 1, Billy Kelly 8/ Sir Barton 4, Formal Gold 4 / Skip Away 2, and an endless amount of others that were not "enough said or nothing more needs to be said" examples. Neither this example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY LIMITED number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish "consistency" on a
statistical basis.
Better is totally subjective. Easy Goer ran many many races in a shorter
time period with much less time between races, and at more varying
distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications, showing who had a "big heart." SS ran
significantly less races with much more time between races, at less
varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that
allowed drugs & medications. SS held the slight 3-1 edge in those
races; those are facts. Who was better? Better is totally subjective.
Many many greats were behind or tied on the head to head scoreboard -
Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Skip Away, Dr. Fager, Damascus,
Swaps, Nashua, Round Table, Ancient Title, John Henry, Shuvee, Sir
Barton among many others were behind or tied in head to heads. Who was
better though? Better, like beauty is totally subjective. There are
numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career,
superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins
against older horses & open company, running times, avg running
times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads,
records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights
conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses,
varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns,
durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications
allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc
etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better
is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount
of other factors.
Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9
Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing
versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6
Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile
indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also
defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a
good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses
only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to
run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running
times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e)
career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8
million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins -
9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older
horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1
stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS
at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2
& a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was
defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career;
& other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying
distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records,
running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns,
durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average
win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight
concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO
Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other
factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors
are factored in, who was better is still subjective.
They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a
superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS
held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness
win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads with
other examples being: 1) Noor beat HOF champ Citation in 4 of 5 races
head to head. 2) Beau Purple beat HOF champ Kelso in 3 of 4 races head
to head. 3) Big Spruce & Wajima beat HOF champ Forego in 2 of 3
races head to head. 4) Damascus beat Dr Fager in 2 of 4 races head to
head. Swaps and Nashua were 1 to 1 head to head. 5) Mehmet & Interco
beat John Henry in 2 of 3 races. 6) Darby Creek Road also beat HOF
champ John Henry in 3 of 3 races. 7) Cabrini Green also beat John Henry
in 4 of 4 races. 8) Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand in 3 races. 9)
Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champ Sir Barton in 8 of 12 races. 10)
Formal Gold beat HOF champ Skip Away in 4 of 6 races. 11) Star of
Cozzene beat HOY Kotashaan in 3 of 4 races. 12) Pretense beat HOF champ
Native Diver 5 times. 13) Summer Squall beat champion Unbridled in 4 of 6
races head to head. 14) Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday
in 3 of 3 races. 15) Clem beat HOF champion Round Table 3 times. 16)
Crystal Water beat HOF champion Ancient Title 4 times. 17) Akureyri beat
champion Pleasant Colony in 3 of 4 races. 18) Gallant Bloom beat Shuvee
in 4 of 5 races, etc etc. Justice's rankings, while objective, are flawed. Timeform (both EG & SS with 137 Timeform ratings), DRF, Racing Post ratings, Bloodhorse, Thoroughbred Times, Sports Illustrated, Associated Press, etc etc, are all subjective & flawed. The point is who was better in any way is totally subjective.
Fbanz96 by the jockey, not the horse;) , meanwhile Easy Goer Destroyed him in the Belmont Stakes won more Races than he did and has more 120+ Beyers and Track records than he does, Enough Said;)
Calls to mind Affirmed and Alydar ....
Wow, this has to be one of the top few races of all time. Easy Goer and Sunday Silence were both as unyielding, willful, tenacious, unwavering, and as fierce as can be. Neither gave way in this absolutely fantabulous battle. The heart of two champions on full display. Spellbinding.
+sl7293 There are many ways a person can put it. You can put it that way. You can also put it this way: Easy Goer lost the Preakness by a nose to Sunday Silence, or Sunday Silence won by a nose over Easy Goer. The same way that others won or lost by a nose. You can also put it another way: Easy Goer's nose "yielded and gave way" and he lost by a nose. The same way that others nose's "yielded and gave way" when losing by a nose. You can also put it this way: Both Easy Goer and Sunday Silence were unyielding, willful, fierce, tenacious and unwavering, while Sunday Silence won the nose-bob and got his nose on the wire inches ahead of Easy Goer. Much the same way that Exceller and Seattle Slew were unyielding, willful, fierce, tenacious and unwavering in the Jockey Club, while Exceller won the nose-bob and got his nose on the wire inches ahead of Slew. Much the same way Jaipur and Ridan, Victory Gallop and Real Quiet in the Belmont, Dark Star and Native Dancer in the Derby, Gun Bow and Kelso in the Woodward, Mr. Right and Damascus in the Woodward, Fort Marcy and Damascus in the DC Int'l, Majestic Prince and Arts and Letters, Blame and Zenyatta, Tomy Lee and Sword Dancer, Foolish Pleasure and Forego, Forty Niner and Seeking the Gold, Akureyri and Pleasant Colony, Precisionist and Greinton, Skip Away and Cigar, Meadow Star and Lite Light in the Mother of all Gooses Mother Goose, Fraise and Sky Classic, Noor and Citation in the San Juan, Rosemont and Seabiscuit in the Big Cap, and many others were unyielding, willful, fierce, tenacious and unwavering in nose to nose battles and or races decided by a nose.
+Jacob Ben No doubt. Two hearts of lions, two hearts of champions. None better
Jacob Ben ...
How bout I put it THIS way: *Put* a 🧦 in it.
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@@jacobben3152 , Wow Wow Wow , The horse that. won 3 of 4 heads up races isn't considered better.
You should be embarrassed.
@@jacobben3152 blah blah blah It's three to one . Buzz of.
By far the greatest preakness race of all time
The aspirin bute 6 days? The dosage of the aspirin bute given a minimum of 24 hours to 72 hours before (48 hours was/is the standard) a race was/is a 0.9-gram to 1.8-gram dose. If 0.9 grams of aspirin bute was given 24 hours before a race & a horse's post-race test, or if 1.8 grams of bute were given 48 hours before testing, what is the amount of bute actually remaining in the horse 24 to 48 hours post-administration? The half-life of bute in the horse is about 7.22 hours. This means that every 7.22 hours the amount of bute in the horse (& the horse's bloodstream) decreases by 50%. Dr Tom Tobin of Gluck Equine Research Center, has performed extensive research on the metabolism of aspirin bute, & reports that with a half-life of 7.22 hours, 90% of the bute remaining in the horse will be metabolized (gone from the horse) at the end of each day (24 hrs). In the first 24 hours, the amount of bute in the horse decreases by 90%. After another 24 hours, an additional 90% of the bute remaining in the horse is metabolized (gone from the horse). The horse now has only 1% of the original dose left in the system. This is what is present in the entire horse, including all its tissues, not just the bloodstream. The amount of bute in the bloodstream will be even lower. Easy Goer was never given any medications (including the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute) or drugs (race-day medications/drugs) within a minimum of 24 hours (1 Full Day) of any race in his career. EG was never given any medications (including the aspirin bute) or drugs on race-day (within a minimum of 24 hours or 1 Full Day) of any race in his career. EG also was never given any performance enhancing drugs in his career.
What a great race,What a great horse SS is !!! He came to Japan and changed Japanese horse racing.I deeply love and proud of him.A lot of thanx ,Sunday Silence
Amazing. In almost one hundred and fifty years of Preakness history, not one Thoroughbred ran the mile fraction faster than the 1:34 1/5, or 1:34.20, of Easy Goer and Sunday Silence in this race. Amazing. The 1:09 3/5 fraction also was sizzling. The blistering midrace pace and monumental moves cost both dearly in the final furlong. It was an unsustainable pace for both. What made it unsustainable for both was not merely looking at the blistering fractions alone, but both horses monumental moves produced into the teeth of the blistering fractions. Easy Goer ran an inordinately and exceedingly rapid move into the teeth of the blistering fractions down the backside. Sunday Silence ran an inordinately and exceedingly rapid move into the teeth of the blistering fractions on the second turn. Both of these horses fractions and monumental moves reflect two amazing champions. Considering the blistering, unsustainable midrace pace, both horses monumental moves into the teeth of blistering fractions, and final time, both ran remarkable races.
sl7293 I never claimed that Easy Goer and Sunday Silence's sizzling fractions, monumental moves made into the teeth of blistering fractions, and amazing performances in this race were more impressive, more amazing or more remarkable than Secr., Louis or any other horse. I said both amazing champions ran remarkable races. I'd add what may have have been unsustainable for S.S. and E.G. on this day, may have been sustainable for them on other days, as well as other horses on other days. Perfectly fine with me if you feel that Secr., Louis or any other horse ran more remarkable, more amazing, more impressive, etc. races.
sl7293 It still is amazing that only one Thoroughbred (Secretariat) in the almost one hundred fifty year history of the Preakness, MAY have run the mile fraction faster than Easy Goer and Sunday Silence in 1:34 1/5.
@@phippsstable1159 Easy Goer 1, SS 3 is the legal, moral, ethical score & the only one that counts legally, morally & ethically, & is in the legal, moral, ethical record books. The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs, & that is why the legal, moral, ethical score is Easy Goer 1 SS 3 AND THAT IS TOTALLY TRUE IT STILL STANDS IN THE RECORD BOOKS AND WILL NEVER BE CHANGED
Easy Goer was the superior, faster horse than ss, hands down without a doubt.
This was the first race I ever saw. There has been none like it since. Epic.
I know what you mean. This was the first race I can remember as a child, and it's what introduced to the Triple Crown chase.
Yeah, I feel for you. You could have quit after this one.
Point me to one link that claims Harthill stated that he gave Lil E Tee ILLEGAL drugs in the 92 KY Derby. Harthill admitted that he gave illegal blood-building drugs to Lil E Tee in the 92 Derby. Harthill mentioned this in the book "The Longest Shot: Lil E. Tee & the Kentucky Derby", by John Eisenberg. Why doesn't every publication (or even a few) on/off the web mention this about Lil E Tee's 92 Derby?
Probably was the greatest race of all time, or at least one of them. These two terrific greats going snout to snout in a race that merited a dead heat. It exemplified and demonstrated what great all around courage, bravery and resolution these two strikingly gifted, skillful and remarkable horses displayed.
Gives me goosebumps every time!. Not just because of 2 beautiful horses giving it all they've got, but Dave Johnsons' incredible call always gets me! AND DOWN THE STRETCH THEY COME!!!!
Easy Goer had just as much trouble. Easy Goer got bumped numerous times by Valenzuela and SS around the turn and throughout the entire home stretch. Easy Goer had major trouble coming out of the gate. Pull up? That's wrong. In the Derby Easy Goer was cut off and shut off by Northern Wolf [who's jockey got suspended}. SS had to steady but he was not shut off or cut off. There are two videos to see this. The first one is the 1989 Belmont Stakes - Easy Goer: Full ABC Broadcast video. Go to the 11 minute point of the video to watch the full head-on video of the backside run of the Preakness. It actually was Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela who actually was the one who floated EG very wide [8 or 9 wide] towards the barns on the back-side, and by trapping him and knocking him in very tight to the rail afterwards on the turn [so bad that Houston had to check] and thru the stretch. The full backside video doesn't show Pat ron franklin-esque Day shutting off or cutting off Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela. The other video is the "Arthur Hancock on Sunday Silence" video uploaded by Blood-Horse. Interesting also to note that Silence's owner Arthur Hancock assumed, like most others, that Pat Day did. However, on the 'Arthur Hancock on Sunday Silence' video uploaded here
on youtube by Blood-Horse, Hancock even admits he didn't by saying at
the 8:50 point of the video, "Easy Goer swept past Sunday Silence, and it looked
to me like he might have shut him off. Silence dropped back a length or
two, and I said to my wife that Easy Goer just shut us off. That's what
I thought looking through my binoculars. But he didn't, he did not, he
was far enough out there."
Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela did outride Pat ron
franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop start Day. So did
McCarron for that matter. So did Pincay, Cordero, Stevens, Bailey etc.
McGaughey and Day were both pitiful. McGaughey was and is the most
conservative trainer of all-time who rarely trained his horses for
speed, no matter how much big-time brilliant speed a horse like Easy
Goer possessed. Pat ron franklin esque Day was the most tentative,
passive, conservative, start-stop rider of all-time. Many of Pat Ron
Franklin esque Day's rides on Easy Goer, Forty Niner, Seeking the Gold,
Sky Classic, Turkoman, Heavenly Prize, Rampage, Timber Country, Menifee, Surfside, Java Gold, etc were Ron Franklin - esque! Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it. Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, inside,
outside, back inside, back outside. Better or superior is definitely subjective. Having acknowledged that: Take nothing away from Sunday Silence as he was a great horse, but Easy Goer was a superior, greater, better, stronger and faster horse; Pat Valenzuela and Chris McCarron were better jockeys than Pat Day, a.k.a Pat ron franklin-esque Day; and the master trainer Charlie the Bald Eagle Whittingham was a better trainer than Claude Shug McGaughey. Would have been very interesting and great to see Easy Goer if he was trained and or ridden by Woody Stephens, Allen Jerkens, Bob Baffert, Wayne Lukas, Cordero, Bailey, Pincay, Stevens, Romero, Santos etc.
If he was better he would have won e.g. got the jump and still could not beat ss. As the better horse. No dought
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless
amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head
records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager,
Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song,
Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others.
There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer
destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era
that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against
Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS
won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So
SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins
and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile
one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a
better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their
respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest,
fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F,
9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence
at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday
Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all
timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F.
Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including
Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS
example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was
"better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to
consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the
records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races
certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you
were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it
even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which
is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG
in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better
overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally
subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were
behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including
Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua,
John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many
others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4
by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got
beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by
Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown
winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got
beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by
Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; &
there are an endless amount of other similar examples.
Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much
less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran
mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned
all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between
races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run
in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6
races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks
with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's
record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks,
size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region,
rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being
allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot
be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much
more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine
the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in
can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races.
It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because
other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth
looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is
flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to :
superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded
Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running
times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances,
head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried
& weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open
company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior
campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority &
dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers,
training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run,
track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career
earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications
allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc
etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally
subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors.
Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9
Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing
versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6
Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile
indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also
defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a
good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses
only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to
run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running
times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e)
career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8
million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9
to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older
horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1
stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS
at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 &
a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was
defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career;
& other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying
distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records,
running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns,
durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average
win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight
concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO
Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors
& categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are
factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats,
but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and
had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in
head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more
other than head to heads.
Since when did quotation marks (" ") get replaced by bold type & italics without any quotation marks (" ") at all?
Bill Nack, "Two greats joined battle in a duel for the ages, they bounded cheek by jowl to the wire. While picking up another cross on his reins, Pat Day appeared to grab too much right line canting Easy Goer's head to the right, and in the end perhaps costing him the race by the flare of a nostril." SI-"They ran side by side, eye to eye, so close they were brushing again and again, with Easy Goer also brushing the rail, dangerously close. They even changed leads in unison. A jewel of a duel by a snout."
Easy Goer wins that race if not for his head pulling to the right in the last stretch of the race, which would have cost him a touch of forward momentum. Was it something jockey Day did--which Nack suggests--or was it just that Easy Goer was uncomfortable being pinned almost against the rail by Sunday Silence? Or was Day trying to get him away from the rail a bit. Whatever the reason, had he had a bit more room I think Easy Goer would have won this great race.
Pat Day lost this race not Easy Goer
@@richardernsberger5692 PAT DAY SAID EG LEGS WENT RUBBER AND THAT HE HAD NOTHING LEFT IN THE TANK AND THAT HE WAS TIRED 😮💨😮💨😮💨🤢🥴😵😵
@@michaelrichardson6051 Pat Patsy Daisy Day, aka Pat Ron Franklin Esque Day, Pat Wait All Day, Pat Delay Day, Pat a Day Late Day, Pat start stop start stop Day, Pat so patient he could watch a faucet drip for days Day.
"Sunday Silence had been TREATED WITH DRUGS in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness & Breeders' Cup Classic when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't for the Belmont Stakes in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies & debates about drugs, for ALL DRUGS are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the US. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran.
The VOLUNTARY ADMISSION by Alex Harthill in 2001 DRF Hovdey article is crystal clear, staring with the title & subtitles of the DRF Article: 'Kentucky Derby Doctor Alex Harthill Reveals Disgraceful Past: Harthill Reflects on Unlawful Life's Work. Harthill Discloses He Administered Forbidden Performance-Enhancing Drugs To Many American Classic Winners In The Kentucky Derby, Preakness And Breeders' Cup Classic.' How about the Belmont Stakes & the enormous amount of the other major G1 stakes races in New York? How about when the Breeders Cup took place in NY? Harthill was barred in NY. NY also was the only state in the entire country during that era which banned all drugs. NY also had the most advanced out-of-competition, training & raceday testing, & tested for an enormous amount of drugs with a zero tolerance policy - zero amount of any drugs allowed in the system w/o having to quibble about even tiny amounts. Direct verbatim quotes of what Hovdey wrote, & direct verbatim quotes of Harthill: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. Harthill described how he illegally gave Northern Dancer the illegal drug Furosemide in the hours before the Derby in 1964, affirming, 'I got a vet I knew from out of town to come along with me. I told him I was going to turn to the right, & he would go that way & take this syringe down to barn 24, stall 23, & give this to that horse. There would be a guy there called Will. He'd be waiting. So he did it, while the gendarmes followed me.' Other than Northern Dancer, Harthill confirmed that he gave Furosemide to other notable horses, including Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Harthill declared he regularly used illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs, & gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Aside from Sunday Silence, Harthill also asserted that he administered Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, to other top-tier horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Winning Colors, Lil E. Tee, Summer Squall & Black Tie Affair. Harthill also proclaimed that he was proud that he inaugurated the use of Clenbuterol, & regularly used Clenbuterol in the 1980's & 1990's. Harthill also affirmed that a common practice of his was to inject illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated, as well as rubbing heroin on the tongues of horses (but only after it was tested for efficacy by handy addicts). The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he publicly acknowledged doing so many times. The US DEA filed suit against Alex Harthill on 102 charges of possessing & using unusual quantities of these & other drugs. Alex Harthill & drugs have led to the destruction of integrity in racing. Harthill was at the vanguard of giving drugs to horses that were used to vastly enhance their performances, & they were remarkably effective turning good horses into great horses, bad horses into good horses, slower horses into faster horses, horses with no business winning doing so, & causing horses to run far over their heads. Harthill was a vet who had stolen a 30 length lead in the race to discover drugs that would significantly move up racehorses, & Harthill had no hesitancy in using whatever was available. Harthill was a magic man vet practicing the dark arts of racehorse manipulation. Harthill was arrested many times for tampering, bribery & doping horses with drugs. Alex Harthill did more cheating with drugs to win horse races than any vet in history. Harthill bribed state officials to throw away positive drug tests from horses that he had treated, & lost his license in many states. In no other major sport does an owner, coach, trainer or doctor have the ability, through working with several entrants in the same event, to directly affect the outcome. Harthill was a crooked vet who administered these & other performance enhancing drugs to his horses. Harthill was the most important factor in countless outcomes of numerous races. Harthill made Bob Baffert, Rick Dutrow, etc., look like Altar Boys.
Harthill said, 'I was used for horses pointing for, & running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS & had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses I helped WITH DRUGS IN THEIR CAREERS. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, Don't get me caught, but keep me worried. Even though a horse is 5 or 7 times larger than humans, the amount of dope needed to have an effect is so small. An amount on the tip of a match would be enough to flick up a horse's nose to get a spectacular result. By the time they got my horses to the starting gate they’d be leaping out of their skin. I administered illegal drugs throughout my career that INCREASED the performances of racehorses IN CLASSIC RACES, & almost all of the time I did so, my horses won. You can only revere the horses whom my horses defeated even more, to do all they were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short of horses who had been given performance-enhancing drugs by myself. By doing so, I acknowledge that I effectively stole a large amount of money in my career, & cheated many other horses, trainers, owners & riders I competed against. Nonetheless, I consider my extensive doping as a mark of pride.' "
Heart: That Joe Hirsch quote was genuine and spot - on. "A classic classic! Everyone in the record crowd - and millions of others who watched on television - will remember the 1989 Preakness and its remarkable stretch duel as long as they live. Sunday Silence and Easy Goer were generosity personified as they battled. No quality of the Thoroughbred is more admired by racing men than courage, and these two outstanding horses gave everything they had in the Preakness. There was a winner, but there was no loser."
The source is the booklet titled "2014 AAEP Symposiums, Meetings and Convention", and within it there are various articles, topics and studies, one of which is titled "Fatal Injuries and Deaths While Training and Racing of Racehorses in North America from 2008 to 2013" by E. McKerney, J. Wilburn, E. Collar and S.M. Stover. In order to view this on the internet you would have to register with the International Veterinary Information Service [IVIS], and you would also have to be one of eleven listed required veterinary/animal science professions to be able to register. If you are unable to register with IVIS, I'd be more than willing to mail it your PO Box, or take pictures of it and email it to you.
Easy Goer ran 1:53 4/5 for 9.5f in Maryland, ran 2:00 1/5 for 10f in Florida, losing by inches and a neck in these races. Easy Goer also ran the fastest 7 furlongs of the year in Florida in 1989. This is a Hall of Fame champion (SS was also) who didn't have any problem at all with shipping to other states and other tracks. He did specifically despise the quirky, peanut buttery, sticky Churchill mud and seemed to flounder in it being a huge, extremely powerful horse with chronically bad, puffy ankles, though his talent, class and ability landed him 2nd's in those races. Though he won in mud elsewhere. He was among many great horses who hated Churchill, however he never ran over a fast track there. I don't think it was about surfaces or shipping at all. They BOTH had to ship for the 3 TC races and the BC. Easy Goer ran many more races (and ran a much more strenuous post Triple Crown campaign) and also never got beat by more than 2 lengths (also never finishing off the board) in his career. SS had a much less strenuous post Triple Crown campaign. You can also look at the timing, distance and spacing of the so called prep races. Easy Goer ran a record mile in the Gotham, then 2 weeks later won the Wood, then only 2 weeks later the start of the Triple Crown races (5 races in 9 weeks). SS ran his last Derby prep 4 weeks out. EG also ran in the 1 1/2 mile Jockey Club in his 'prep' for the BC. It was most likely to me much more about track circumferences. Easy Goer did win on ALL the track circumferences of USA dirt tracks (1 mile, 1 1/8 mile, 1 1/2 mile). EG was an Undefeated 5 for 5 over 1 1/8 tracks at all distances. SS did not win over all tracks. In fact, SS lost 3 races over 1 1/8 tracks (at his HOME track of Hollywood) and lost his 1 race over a 1 1/2 mile track by 8 lengths. EG's record over mile tracks (4 losses though narrow losses) was very similar to SS's record over 1 1/8 or larger tracks (SS lost 4 races over 1 1/8 or bigger tracks). Based on these facts (EG being undefeated over 1 1/8 mile tracks, while SS lost 3 races over 1 1/8 mile tracks), Easy Goer actually would have had an advantage running against these horses at Hollywood Park (a larger 1 1/8 mile oval) in California. SS would have had an advantage at the smaller Santa Anita track in Cal. Easy Goer also would have had an advantage running over 1 1/8 mile tracks, regardless of state or region, in: Florida (Hialeah Park), Chicago (Arlington Park, where they were supposed to meet at age 4), Hollywood (California), Atlantic City (NJ), Saratoga (NY), Aqueduct (NY), Laurel Park (Maryland), Keeneland (KY), Ellis Park (KY), Colonial (Va.), Belmont (NY), and the current Gulfstream in Florida is also NOW a larger 1 1/8 mile oval. SS would have had an advantage of running against EG in NY if they ran at the mile oval in Finger Lakes.
Ariel Dovid Easy Goer was a terrific colt but he faced his nemesis in the 4 biggest races of the year all grade 1s at 4 different tracks in four different states and the score was 3-1 in favor of Sunday Silence, I don't know how this is even debatable.
Robert Jordan Are you serious. It's very very very easily debatable. Both were brilliant Hall of Fame champions. 4 races are a very small sample. Easy Goer was inches away (Preakness) from it being an even, level 2 to 2 score. Easy Goer also had a superior career resu'me and accomplished & achieved more in his career. It's as easily debatable as these 'scores' between rivals (as Delclub points out) - Noor 4-1 over Citation. Beau Purple 3-1over Kelso. Damascus 2-2 with Dr. Fager. Nashua/Swaps. Akureyri 3-1 over Pleasant Colony. Big Spruce 2-1 over Forego. Mehmet 2-1 over John Henry. Formal Gold 4-2 over Skip Away. Summer Squall 4-2 over Unbridled. Billy Kelly 8-4 over Sir Barton. Star o Cozzene 3-1 over Kotashaan. The list may be infinite. Who was greater is intuitive and easily debatable among ALL.
Ariel Dovid in the list of the greats 100 of 20 century ss is ahead of eg. 3to 1 period.
anhell32 Not 'period' at all. As if the ONE Bloodhorse list is authoritative, true and correct? Not at all. The ONE B.h. list is subjective, intuitive and non objective, as are all lists. Lists of greats? Charlie Justice ranked Easy Goer the number two greatest three year old of all time behind only secretariat in his mathematical, statistical list (based on numerous factors). And Ahead of Buckpasser, Slew, Affirmed, Bid, Sunday, Damascus, Citation, etc. If the daily racing form, timeform, racing post, sports illustrated, associated press, thoroughbred times, etc etc also made lists, I am sure they would rank horses differently (many of them). Who was greater (or better) is very debatable and subjective. Since this one B.h. list also ranked Buckpasser narrowly ahead of Damascus, ranked Bid narrowly ahead of Affirmed, ranked Slew narrowly ahead of Affirmed, ranked Swaps narrowly ahead of Nashua, ranked Man O' War ahead of Secretariat, ranked War Admiral ahead of Seabiscuit, ranked Majestic Prince ahead of Arts and Letters, ranked Round Table narrowly ahead of Bold Ruler, etc, this makes it true, correct and authoritative? Not at all. They are all very debatable, subjective, and intuitive.
sl7293 I have no problem or disagreement with what you found out about his study. I also never looked into it deeply. It looks like you did look into it deeply. The only point I was making was to the person who said, 'he was ahead on the Blood-horse list of greats, 3 to 1 period.' My point was simply: Charles Justice's list is also subjective on where he ranked whom. Obviously he ranked Easy Goer ahead of Sunday Silence as 3 year olds, and high on his list of 3 year olds & 'better' than many top horses. Justice is not any more authoritative, true or correct than the Blood-horse seven member panel. The ONE Blood- horse list (seven member panel) does not mean it is authoritative, true and correct about any horse being better than another. Not at all. The ONE B.h. list is subjective, intuitive and non objective, as are all lists. I respect their opinion on ranking horses where they did, and who they ranked ahead of who. But if the daily racing form, timeform, racing post, sports illustrated, associated press, thoroughbred times, etc etc also made lists ranking the top 100 horses, I am sure they would rank horses differently. Who was greater (or better) is very debatable and subjective. Since this one B.h. list also ranked Buckpasser narrowly ahead of Damascus, ranked Bid narrowly ahead of Affirmed, ranked Slew narrowly ahead of Affirmed, ranked Swaps narrowly ahead of Nashua, ranked Man O' War ahead of Secretariat, ranked War Admiral ahead of Seabiscuit, ranked Majestic Prince ahead of Arts and Letters, ranked Round Table narrowly ahead of Bold Ruler, etc, this makes it true, correct and authoritative as to who was better? Not at all. They are all very debatable and subjective.
Multiple publications on/off the web mention Harthill's introduction & illegal use of Clenbuterol in the 80's .
Easy Goer and Sunday. Two of the best. Forced out wide, then Easy Goer, with that very rash,early, precipitative, solid bold burst of speed, like a shot. Then geared down, & wedged in tightly, leaned on & carried in, & boxed & pinned on rail. Then directed to look at his rival. Amazing race. Both fought with fortitude,vigor and very tenaciously.
People who saw Hovdey's article & wrote about it DID mention this & other facts. Why did they only focus on Harthill's illegal administration of the diuretic Furosemide to ND & Harthill's introduction & illegal administration & use of Clenbuterol in the 1980's? Perhaps, because these 2 drugs became the most widely used, most popular, most influential drugs, among numerous other drugs, used. In the Natalie Voss 1/15/2020 article titled, "When It Comes To Lasix (Furosemide) And Federal Legislation, Horse Racing Has Been Here Before," Voss states, "Controversial veterinarian Alex Harthill ADMITTED to using furosemide on Fear A Bit, a runner on the undercard of the 1974 Kentucky Derby , at about 2 p.m. on race day. The horse ran significantly better than he had in his past several starts and officials wanted to know why." That's incorrect & also 10 years after Harthill admitted to Hovdey that he illegally gave the illegal drug to ND. Why didn't Voss mention that, Harthill, in his infamous cloak & dagger doping scheme story, admitted to Hovdey that he illegally gave the illegal diuretic drug to the famous horse Northern Dancer in the actual Derby in 1964 a FULL TEN years prior to an UNKNOWN horse named Fear a Bit?? Did Voss NOT want to denigrate the famous Northern Dancer (& his trainer), & so instead only mentioned an unknown horse who ran the undercard a full 10 years later? And no mention of the famous horses (& trainers) Harthill treated in the actual 1974 Derby itself. Did Voss NOT want to denigrate the famous horses (& trainers) who ran in the 1974 Derby? By the same token, Harthill also admitted he gave the same illegal diuretic diuretic drug Furosemide to other famous horses Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Why didn't Voss & others mention these other famous horses (& trainers)? Perhaps, Voss didn't want to denigrate these other famous horses & trainers? Perhaps, because Furosemide became so popular, influential & legal in every state except NY? Perhaps, because ND was the most famous, or the cloak & dagger illegal doping scheme? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey of illegally giving the famous SS the illegal ped drug Clenbuterol (plus the other 2 drugs). Harthill also admitted to Hovdey that he gave the illegal drug Clenbuterol to other famous 80's horses Ferdinand [Whittingham], Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Unbridled, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Lil E Tee, Black Tie Affair, etc. Why did another article (s) only mention that Harthill introduced Clenbuterol in the ‘80s & trainers who knew (or used) Harthill benefited greatly, with no mention of any of the 80's horses? Perhaps, they also did not want to denigrate SS (& his trainer) & these other 80's horses & their trainers?
Direct evidence, voluntary admission (nothing more factual than a voluntary admission) & direct quotes from the DRF/Hovdey article: "Sunday Silence's veterinarian Alex Harthill, toward the end of his life, was BOLD ENOUGH to TELL ME (Hovdey) how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, including Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine to Sunday Silence. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in enhancing his horses performances. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol regularly in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING using it on Sunday Silence. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it to Sunday Silence, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. The drug Clenbuterol has a similar effect on the body as Epinephrine & Amphetamines by increasing the production of Epinephrine & Noradrenaline, & thus significantly enhancing performance. Clenbuterol also thins blood & widens the vessels that carry oxygen, so the volume of oxygen in the blood increases, & thus significantly increases energy, & thus significantly enhances performance. Clenbuterol is an extraordinary drug with two completely different effects that dramatically & greatly enhance performance, & significantly enhance speed, stamina, endurance, lung capacity & energy levels; it greatly aids breathing by significantly expanding the air passages in the lungs letting air flow much more freely, & it dramatically reduces body fat by causing rapid fat burning. The drug Clenbuterol performed miracles for horses who made inexplicable improvements with major enhancements in performance. Some of Harthill's other drugs that he administered to Sunday Silence (& other horses) were Etorphine & Sublimaze. Etorphine is an Opiate 80,000 Times More Powerful than Morphine. Sublimaze is a potent narcotic. Both are drugs that give horses such a sense of euphoria & well-being that they feel like they don’t have legs."
"Easy Goer and Sunday Silence were the other's double. The two were as close as the fingers of a fist. Both were the living embodiment of what people said when asked which gunfighter was faster: "I’d hate to have to live on the difference." "In the Preakness and Breeders' Cup Classic, rider Pat Day moved down the backside - and then he Remembered he was Pat Day - and then when Day folded up, Day allowed Sunday Silence back in the race. Day moved, and then he gave it back." "In the Preakness, while picking up another cross on his reins, jockey Pat Day appeared to grab too much right line canting Easy Goer's head to the right, and in the end perhaps costing him the race by the flare of a nostril. A classic classic! Everyone will remember the 1989 Preakness and its remarkable stretch duel as long as they live. Sunday Silence and Easy Goer were generosity personified as they battled. No quality of the Thoroughbred is more admired than courage, and these two outstanding horses gave everything they had in the Preakness. There was a winner, but there was no loser. In a duel for the ages, the two greats joined battle, they bounded cheek by jowl to the wire. The two greats even changed leads in unison at the top of the stretch. They ran side by side, head to head, so close together they were brushing again and again, with Easy Goer also brushing the rail and dangerously close to it. A jewel of a duel by a snout."
There's no question that Sunday Silence & Easy Goer were both tremendously gifted thoroughbreds and they both brought out the best in each other. Because Sunday Silence won 3 of the 4 head to head meetings I think many racing historians remember him as having been the better horse now. But I would submit that had Easy Goer overcame the 6 inch loss in the Preakness that it would've been the other way around. You would've had Sunday Silence with a Kentucky Derby & BC Classic win and Easy Goer with a Preakness & Belmont Stakes win head to head. But beyond their head to head meetings it wasn't even close. The other major wins of Sunday Silence career outside of his 3 wins against Easy Goer were the G1 Santa Anita Derby & G2 Super Derby. But what Easy Goer accomplished outside of his head to head meetings against Sunday Silence has never before or since been accomplished by any horse, winning the G1 Travers Stakes, G1 Whitney Handicap, G1 Woodward Stakes, & G1 Jockey Club Gold Cup in the same season right after he'd just finished the Triple Crown grind. If Easy Goer overcomes the 6 inch defeat in this race history remembers these 2 horses vastly different head to head, IMO.
Gberet. I'd have to agree, but as you said, both were tremendously amazing Hall of Fame thoroughbreds.
This is the stupidness. Horse conversation. I hear if if if. E.g. had a better racing career.but as was a better horse. Simple 3 out of 4. No argument in that
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless
amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head
records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager,
Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song,
Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others.
There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer
destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era
that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against
Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS
won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So
SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins
and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile
one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a
better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their
respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest,
fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F,
9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence
at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday
Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all
timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F.
Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including
Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS
example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was
"better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to
consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the
records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races
certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you
were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it
even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which
is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG
in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better
overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally
subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were
behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including
Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua,
John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many
others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4
by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got
beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by
Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown
winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got
beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by
Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; &
there are an endless amount of other similar examples.
Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much
less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran
mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned
all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between
races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run
in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6
races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks
with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's
record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks,
size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region,
rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being
allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot
be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much
more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine
the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in
can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races.
It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because
other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth
looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is
flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to :
superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded
Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running
times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances,
head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried
& weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open
company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior
campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority &
dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers,
training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run,
track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career
earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications
allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc
etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally
subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors.
Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9
Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing
versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6
Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile
indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also
defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a
good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses
only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to
run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running
times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e)
career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8
million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9
to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older
horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1
stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS
at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 &
a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was
defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career;
& other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying
distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records,
running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns,
durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average
win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight
concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO
Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors
& categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are
factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats,
but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and
had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in
head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more
other than head to heads.
Did you see Easy Goer's great descendants - 1995 Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies champion My Flag, who also won the CCA Oaks, Ashland, Gazelle and Bonnie Miss; 2002 Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies champion Storm Flag Flying, who also won the Personal Ensign, Frizette, Shuvee and Matron; 2007 Breeders Cup Dirt Mile Champion Corinthian, who also won the Met Mile and Gulfstream Park Handicap; 2018 Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint Champion Bulletin; 1996 and 1997 Travers and Whitney Champion Will's Way; 2004 Cigar Mile Champion Lion Tamer; 2007 French 2000 Guineas Champion Astronomer Royal; 2006 Irish 2000 Guineas and St James's Palace Champion Araafa; 2013 Breeders Cup Marathon Champion London Bridge; 1999 Ballerina and Distaff Champion Furlough; Shuvee and Coaching Club American Oaks Champion Funny Moon; Molly Pitcher Champion Relaxing Rhythm; Jim Dandy winner Composer; Blue Grass Stakes winner Monba; Ogden Phipps Handicap Champion Tiz Miz Sue; Florida Derby and Holy Bull Stakes Champion Audible; Yellow Ribbon, Gamely, Del Mar Oaks Champion Magical Fantasy, and many others.
Show this 2002 DRF Jay Hovdey Alex Harthill article.
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@@sigscorpion9275 It is shown and posted on all the videos.
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Great Genetics have definitely moved on to new generations for Easy Goer and Sunday Silence. The influence of Easy Goer and Sunday Silence on the breeding of racehorses worldwide is incredible. Easy Goer's grandson Araafa won the Group 1 St. James's Palace Stakes, Group 1 Irish 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's other grandson Astronomer Royal won the Group 1 French 2,000 Guineas, et cetera.
Easy Goer was still perfectly capable of unleashing spectacular moves on
the sharper turns, as he did when he romped in the 1989 Swale Stakes at
Gulfstream in Florida. Easy Goer was also perfectly capable of staying
close to SS on any and every track/track size as he did in all 3 Triple
Crown races. Easy Goer had numerous weapons in his arsenal with
brilliant natural speed, superb tactical speed, sensational athleticism,
great agility and he was very versatile; he could go to the lead
dictating pace & race running very fast fractions (Champagne, Suburban, etc); he could stalk, prompt and track up close to very fast pace's (Gotham, Belmont,
Preakness, Travers, Cowdin, maiden, etc) dictating race & pace; and
he had a devastating turn of foot with extraordinary, explosive,
electrifying acceleration. A lot of it also had to do with riding
styles/riding strategies and tactics, training/trainers etc. Easy Goer
ran so many perennial all timer performances at every distance he ran,
6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer had that peerless all timer
talent, ability, constitution, speed-stamina combo. There is no way to
downplay Easy Goer's numerous all timer performances.
From the recent book Ride 2 win by Gary West and the DRF champions book,
I quote: "At various points in races, Day would merely 'let' Easy Goer
run, not asking him. With the red flash Easy Goer, a request to run
was not needed; Day would sit motionless with no encouragement. Easy
Goer loved to run, and in an INSTANT, Easy Goer would take off with
accelerated BURSTS that were visually STUNNING, reminiscent of moves of
other legendary Hall of Fame champions. Easy Goer also would unleash
SPECTACULAR moves around turns over bigger, larger turns on bigger,
larger tracks." Clearly, Easy Goer had instant acceleration at all
points in races. Easy Goer was generally faster
on straightaways and larger, bigger turns and larger, bigger tracks. SS
was generally faster on sharper, smaller turns on sharper, smaller
tracks. Although - as I said - Easy Goer was still capable of
unleashing spectacular moves on the sharper turns, as he did when he
romped in the Swale Stakes at Gulfstream in Florida. But a lot of it
also had to do with riding styles/riding strategies and tactics,
training/trainers etc. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter
time period with much less time
between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the
only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs
& medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time
between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races
were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday
Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a
circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record
on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size
of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region,
rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being
allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot
be simplified
when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more
complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the
outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can
lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It
makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other
variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks
flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is
flat.
SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they
both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in
general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better"
is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to
head records vs other horses. Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr
Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir
Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4
out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got
beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant
Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got
beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8
out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold;
& there are an endless
amount of other similar examples. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or
the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which
is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the
better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two
horses in a VERY LIMITED number of races. A few races certainly would
NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to
establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a
large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally
subjective anyways).
There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior
career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins,
wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg
running times at various
distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still
standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins
& stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won
at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability,
constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding
& rider errors, trainers, training and trainer
errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track
circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with
& without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used,
races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many
many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still
totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other
factors.
Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9
Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing
versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6
Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile
indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also
defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a
good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses
only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to
run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running
times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e)
career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8
million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins -
9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older
horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1
stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS
at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2
& a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was
defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career;
& other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying
distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records,
running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns,
durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average
win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight
concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO
Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other
factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors
are factored in, who was better is still subjective.
They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a
superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS
held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness
win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
You are a thundering bore.
Always the last resort - the last refuge!!
Did someone say Travis West? Here I am
Did someone say Travis West? Here I am
@@traviswest9388 so post it... i cant find it
No one, not #Affirmed, not #SeatleSlew ,not #SpectacularBid not even the Great #Secretariat won The #BelmontStakes , The #Whitney , The #Travers , The #Woodward and The #JockeyClubGoldCup and The #Gotham in Record breaking performance in the same year and as a 3 Year Old. Amazing!!!!!
You are correct. Sunday Silence just gets overlooked but he did win all them big races. Kinda weird. I was 7 when I watched him race. I remember the ky derby Preakness belmont and breeders cup classic.
Joseph Hale You are not correct though. It was Easy Goer who won those races sir
Direct quotes, direct evidence & voluntary admission (nothing more factual & direct than a voluntary admission) by Alex Harthill to Jay Hovdey in Spring 2001 DRF interview & article. You want the exact date so you can buy the back issue or get it from the Keeneland library?
Here is another from Jim McKay. "The greatest race I ever saw was the Preakness in 1989, when Easy Goer and Sunday Silence went at it. As they came down the stretch, their legs moved in unison as if they were a shadow of one another. Their heads bobbed up and down in unison too. There was absolutely nothing to choose between them. As the two horses came down the stretch, you could almost sense the size of the crowd's roar wasn't for one over the other, but for this pinnacle of competition. The 1989 Preakness Stakes was what a horse race should be. It had a kind of excitement you always hope for but seldom get."
Yet how could he tell Pat Day that he thought he had it when it was clear that Sunday Silence won the race?
I miss Jim McKay
Jim McKay put it so eloquently indeed.
P Val was absolutely incredible. Watching him on Sunday Silence: Poetry in motion
It's unclear to me whether P Val helped or hurt Sunday Silence in this race. It's possible that Sunday Silence would have been more successful if Chris McCarron had been his jockey in all of his races.
Both tremendous horses. Easy Goer-forced out very wide down the backside, then with that very rash, early, precipitative, gigantic & very bold burst of run, catapulting & soaring by like a shot, which was run into the teeth of a very fast pace. Then taken in hand, geared down, grabbed a hold after getting into best stride & passed narrowly. Then came again getting the lead & bumped, leaned on, boxed in, carried in & wedged in very tightly on the fence. Then in very tight & uncomfortable & directed to look his rival in the eye, causing him not to stride properly. Both fought with vigor, tenaciously & with distinction & fortitude in one of the best races ever.
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@@sl-rt5kv Not true. Search for "How to Add Your Email Address to Your UA-cam Channel." "Linking your email address with your UA-cam channel gives your viewers a chance to contact you directly." I don't post videos nor have any viewers, but I can add my email address to my YT channel in the about section of my YT channel. So can you or anybody else. "Adding an email address to your UA-cam channel lets viewers reach out to you privately for comments, questions, or even business inquiries. When you add your email, your email address appears on your channel's About Page. Follow these steps - 1. Look to the upper-right corner of the UA-cam homepage, and click your profile picture. Then, select UA-cam Studio from the dropdown. 2. Once you get to UA-cam Studio, scroll down on the left sidebar and select Customization. 3. Go to Basic info. Then, scroll to the bottom of that page, and you'll see the Contact info section. 4. Fill in the email field under that section with your email address. 5. Click Publish to enact the changes. Now that you've added your email address to your channel, your viewers can contact you directly instead of making a public comment. Once on your channel's homepage, go to About. Scroll to the bottom of that page, and you'll see a callout button that says View email Address. It means you've linked your email address with your UA-cam channel successfully. I have just done so.
You can create a new email address that doesn't have any of your personal info, then cancel and close it out afterwards. You justifying this disgustingly abominable and enormously deadly, cruel, immoral, unethical evil is indeed enormously evil, cruel, immoral, unethical and disgustingly abominable. You are totally wrong - it not only is found in the 2014 AAEP booklet and article by McKerney, Wilburn, Collar and Stover, it is also found on the internet at the International Veterinary Information Service [IVIS].
This was a phenomenal race. Just about the best rivalry I've seen.
Alydar and affirmed was another good rival
cominatcha, Why is your only goal & aim to comment with an endless barrage of trolling comments, THEN Delete & Erase ALL of them, then more endless barrages of comments, then delete & erase all of them, & to continue to do this endless cycle day after day after day? Why not just comment all that you want to & leave all of your endless comments on all of the videos, & not erase & delete all of them?
Sigscorpion Sigmund, aka cominatcha, aka Travis Bickle West, aka westcoastbound, aka way2gooutwest, aka gamebred, aka srosswest, aka westboundkennels, aka the thousands of your other yt usernames - why do you delete 90% to 95% of your comments?
Pat ron franklin-esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and some others -- like "a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin-esque Day never came to terms with the power at his disposal and how and when to use it." Pat ron franklin esque Day. Outside, inside, back outside, go yield idle go, go yield idle go, outside, inside, back outside.
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Pat Ron Franklin Esque Day ; )
Agree completely
After a slow start, not sure why Day felt the need to rush him to the front after a 23.3 quarter...but I'll always go back to Day turning the horses head towards Sunday Silence to "show him the competition." Sunday Silence was no slouch and certainly a more than worthy foe, but I'll always believe another jockey wins this race - even Ron Franklin.
In Jay Hovdey's 2001 DRF article, Hovdey states, "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to TELL ME how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze and Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill described how he gave Northern Dancer Furosemide in the hours before the Derby in 1964, affirming, 'I got a vet I knew from out of town to come along with me. I told him I was going to turn to the right, and would he go that way and take this little syringe down to barn 24, stall 23, and give this to that horse. There would be a guy there called Will. He'd be waiting. So he did it, while the gendarmes followed me.' " Hovdey also states that he quoted Harthill verbatim. Perhaps Hovdey's writing style is to mix it up using direct quotes, as well as making direct statements himself without quotes, but they are based on verbatim quotes. In this same Hovdey article on Harthill giving horses illegal performance enhancing drugs, Harthill is directly quoted verbatim declaring, "I was used more than any veterinarian in the country for horses pointing for, and running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS and had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses I helped with drugs in their careers. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, 'Don't get me caught, but keep me worried.' " Hovdey also declares in the article, "Other than Northern Dancer, Harthill confirmed that he gave Furosemide to other notable horses, including Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass and Master Derby. Harthill declared he regularly used illegal amphetamine and stimulant drugs, and gave illegal amphetamine and stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege and Tim Tam. Aside from Sunday Silence, Harthill also asserted that he administered Clenbuterol, Sublimaze and Etorphine, to other top-tier horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Winning Colors, Lil E. Tee, Summer Squall and Black Tie Affair. Harthill also proclaimed that he was proud that he inaugurated the use of Clenbuterol, and regularly used Clenbuterol in the 1980's and 1990's. Harthill also affirmed that a common practice of his was to inject illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated."
HIS HEAD TURNED BLESS HIS HEART HE WAS TIRED ~PAY DAY~
@@sigscorpion9275 Sigmund sigscorpion bless his heart he was dead and cremated ~Pat Banned 40 times for drugs Valenzuela~ Pat Banned 40 times for Drugs Valenzuela himself said, "Easy Goer was a Super Horse. In order for ss to even be close to Easy Goer, I had to do any & everything possible. I had to purposely & deviously force EG out as wide as can be down the backstretch & at every other point I could in races; & I had to purposely & deviously bang & push EG in as tight as can be scraping the dead rail. Arazi was the best horse I ever rode. Arazi could do more than sunday silence, and Arazi was a much better horse than sunday silence." Case closed.
@@traviswest949 TO SAY SOMEONE IS ON DRUGS IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF FLATTERY TRAVIS WEST...😁😁😁
@@sigscorpion9275 Why?
"Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT INFERIOR DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE. Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Sunday Silence had been TREATED WITH DRUGS in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness & Breeders' Cup Classic when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't for the Belmont Stakes in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies about drugs, for ALL DRUGS are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the US. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT INFERIOR DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran of DRF, LA Times & Newsday.
It is "shown" and "posted" a thousand times on all the videos just for you!
Nothing better than two super racehorse's each being in front numerous times throughout most of the entire race and even after the race, and going nose to nose the length of the stretch.
Show this 2002 DRF Jay Hovdey Alex Harthill article.
@@sigscorpion9275 You are a sicko psycho troll.
"Sunday Silence had been treated with drugs in the Derby & Preakness when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies & debates about drugs, for all drugs are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the United States. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: No. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with superior horses like Easy Goer, who did not require any drugs to perform at his best, & not drug-reliant horses like Sunday Silence, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran.
@@sigscorpion9275 WHAT A VERY GAME COLT THE TRUE DRUG-FREE HALL OF FAME CHAMPION EASY GOER IS!! Charlsie Cantey
@@sigscorpion9275 ONLY lost by the narrowest of margins to a horse ss that had been given the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol (an extraordinarily powerful performance enhancing drug), Sublimaze (an extraordinarily powerful performance enhancing drug; & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute) & Etorphine (an extraordinarily powerful performance enhancing drug; & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute), plus the powerful performance enhancing diuretic drug Furosemide/Lasix (6 length performance enhancement at longer, classic distances) & Banamine (5 times more powerful than aspirin bute), etc etc. Harthill admitted he gave the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine to sunday silence.
@@sigscorpion9275 YEAH ALL FANS OF DRUG-RELIANT HORSES WERE CRYING CAUSE THE DRUG-RELIANT & BANNED ILLEGAL CRIMINAL VET HARTHILL-RELIANT SUNDAY SILENCE HAD TO RUN DRUG-FREE without any drugs, & YES IT WAS NOT A GOOD SPOT FOR ss TO BE IN , AS ss ALWAYS HAD THE PERFECT TRIP SET UP FOR HIM with performance enhancing drugs & smaller 8f sized tracks. BUT when forced to run drug-free without any drugs & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f, THERE WERE NO SPECIAL FAVORS FOR HIM. And ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill, & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f - ss got cremated when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Harthill, & ss LOST 4 races on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f.
@@sigscorpion9275 YEAH ALL FANS OF DRUG-RELIANT HORSES WERE CRYING CAUSE THE DRUG-RELIANT & BANNED ILLEGAL CRIMINAL VET HARTHILL-RELIANT SUNDAY SILENCE HAD TO RUN DRUG-FREE without any drugs, & YES IT WAS NOT A GOOD SPOT FOR ss TO BE IN , AS ss ALWAYS HAD THE PERFECT TRIP SET UP FOR HIM with performance enhancing drugs & smaller 8f sized tracks. BUT when forced to run drug-free without any drugs & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f, THERE WERE NO SPECIAL FAVORS FOR HIM. And ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill, & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f - ss got cremated when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Harthill, & ss LOST 4 races on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8F.
@@sigscorpion9275 THE DRUG-RELIANT & BANNED ILLEGAL CRIMINAL VET HARTHILL-RELIANT SUNDAY SILENCE LOST 5 TIMES when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs. THE DRUG-RELIANT & BANNED ILLEGAL CRIMINAL VET HARTHILL-RELIANT SUNDAY SILENCE LOST 5 TIMES on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f. And ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill, & on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f - ss got cremated when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Harthill, & ss LOST 5 races on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f.
Pat Ron Franklin Esque Day (aka Pat Wait All Day, Pat Start Stop Start Stop Start Day, Pat a Day late, Pat Delay Day, Pat so passive & patient he could watch a faucet drip for days Day) himself said, "I was on the far superior, far better horse in Easy Goer, but we lost a few photos to him by the slimmest of margins totally due to rider errors on my part. I had FAR MORE HORSE than I knew what to do with. It was totally my fault." Shug McGaughey said, "Easy Goer was a Better Horse than Sunday Silence. Pat Day got Easy Goer beat. Day waited when he didn't need to wait. We had ss beat & then Day let ss back in the races. Pat Day & I agree that he made riding mistakes. Easy Goer was the better horse than sunday silence. Easy Goer was by far the best horse I ever trained, Easy Goer was the most talented horse I've ever had. Easy Goer's action was so athletic, so natural, so fluid; he glided over the track; he ran blazingly fast & did it so easily. Easy Goer captured the public; he was a brilliantly fast horse, exciting to watch, & he had a great following. I had always dreamed of having a horse like Easy Goer. Easy Goer is by far the best that I've ever had. What Easy Goer did in all races, you just don't see that anymore. Easy Goer wanted to do a lot, all the time. My job - I had a Porsche in Easy Goer - was to not drive it 200 miles an hour every day. My job was just to keep him level, & keep him reserved. He wanted to go. I was very young, very inexperienced & made many mistakes." Pat Banned 40 times for Drugs Valenzuela himself said, "Easy Goer was a Super Horse. In order for ss to even be close to Easy Goer, I had to do any & everything possible. I had to purposely & deviously force EG out as wide as can be down the backstretch & at every other point I could in races; & I had to purposely & deviously bang & push EG in as tight as can be scraping the dead rail. Arazi was the best horse I ever rode. Arazi could do more & was even a much better horse than sunday silence." Pat Banned 40 times for Drugs Valenzuela. "Bless his heart ss was so exhausted ss was practically dead, almost literally dead, without all of his illegal performance enhancing drugs & without his illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill." Charlie Whittingham himself said, "I am very angered that there is only 1 state in the whole country which bans all performance enhancing drugs, which bans all drugs, & also bans the illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill (Harthill admitted to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs [Clenbuterol, Subliamze, Etorphine, etc] to the drug-reliant sunday silence) despite his criminal record (Harthill was arrested numerous times in many states [Kentucky, NY, Illinois, Ohio, Louisiana, etc] for illegally drugging numerous horses). I think ss maybe can be as good as EG, & maybe can be as Great as Easy Goer, but ONLY IF EVERYTHING goes ss's way." Case closed.
You can be damn sure that people & publications who saw Hovdey's article & wrote about it DID mention this & other facts. Some do, some don't. Some publications DON'Teven mention ND & instead erroneously state that Harthill began using the illegal drug a full 10 years later to an unknown horse named Fear a Bit running in an undercard race on Derby day 74. Why did this publication not even mention that Harthill told Rick Arthur in 90' & Hovdey in 01' that he gave the illegal drug to ND? Some publications mention ND, but quote Harthill verbatim from 90' (11 yrs before Hovdey): In the Headless Horsemen book by James Squires, Harthill also admitted in 90' to Rick Arthur that, "It (Furosemide) started with me. I gave Furosemide to Northern Dancer in 1964. (period)." Harthill didn't specify even 1 race, not even the 64 Derby, & he did not specify that he only gave it in the 64 Derby. Why didn't this publication mention that Harthill told Hovdey that he gave the illegal drug to ND specifically in the 64 Derby? Multiple publications mention Harthill's introduction & illegal use of Clenbuterol in the 1980's, & also mention Sublimaze, & mention trainers who knew (or used) Harthill benefited greatly, but don't mention actual names. Harthill also admitted that he gave "routine" illegal blood-building drugs to Lil E Tee in the 92 Derby. Harthill mentioned this in the book "The Longest Shot: Lil E. Tee & the Kentucky Derby", by John Eisenberg. Why doesn't every publication (or even a few) mention this about Lil E Tee's 92 Derby win? Harthill also admitted to Hovdey that he injected illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated, without naming names. Why did they only focus on Harthill's illegal use of the diuretic Furosemide to ND & Harthill's introduction & illegal use of Clenbuterol in the 80's? Perhaps, because these 2 drugs became the most widely used, most popular, most influential LEGAL (BOTH) drugs, among numerous other drugs, used.
In the Voss 2020 article titled, "When It Comes To Lasix & Federal Legislation, Horse Racing Has Been Here Before," Voss states, "Controversial vet Alex Harthill ADMITTED to using furosemide on Fear A Bit, a runner on the undercard of the 74 Kentucky Derby , at about 2 p.m. on race day. The horse ran significantly better than he had in his past several starts & officials wanted to know why." That's incorrect & also 10 years after Harthill admitted to Rick Arthur & Hovdey that he gave the illegal drug to ND. Why didn't Voss & her publications mention that Harthill said he gave the illegal drug to ND in the actual Derby in 64 a FULL 10 yrs prior to an UNKNOWN horse who only ran in an undercard race? Did Voss & her publication NOT want to denigrate the famous ND (& his trainer), & so instead only mentioned an unknown horse who ran in an undercard race a full 10 years later? And no mention of the top horses Harthill treated in the actual 74 Derby itself. Did Voss NOT want to denigrate the top horses (& trainers) who ran in the 74 Derby? By the same token, Harthill also admitted he gave the same illegal drug Furosemide to other top horses Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Why didn't Voss & others mention these other top horses? Perhaps, Voss didn't want to denigrate these other top horses & trainers? Perhaps, because Furosemide became so popular, influential & legal in every state except NY? Perhaps, because ND was the most famous, or the illegal doping scheme? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey that he gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Perhaps, the publications didn't want to denigrate these other top horses & trainers? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey of illegally giving SS the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. Harthill also admitted to Hovdey that he gave the same illegal ped drugs to other horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Lil E Tee, & Black Tie Affair. Why did other articles only mention that Harthill introduced Clenbuterol (& mentioned Sublimaze also) in the ‘80s, & trainers who knew (or used) Harthill benefited greatly, with no mention of any of the horses? Why did other articles mention Sublimaze & a test for it only starting in 1979 (but from 79 to 95, the only state that banned it & all other drugs was NY)? Perhaps, they also did not want to denigrate SS & these other horses/trainers? Perhaps, because Clenbuterol became so popular, influential & LEGAL in every state except NY. Why doesn't every publication (or even a few) mention this about all of these horses? Perhaps, some of these people want to portray that Furosemide, Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, etc., are just fine & no big deal, & they don't want to tell the truth & expose this stuff about a sport & industry that employs them. When the racing writer Bill Nack exposed facts about fatal injuries & the use of both legal & illegal drugs, calling both "appalling & unacceptable by any humane standard", many in racing not only turned against Nack as a result, they despised him for it; & Nack's exposure of these facts were NOT cited by every publication, or even a few publications. Perhaps many despise Hovdey, Squires, Eisenberg, Ryan Goldberg & many others for exposing this or parts of it, & others do not want to tell the truth & expose this stuff about a sport & industry that employs them.
What? I don't understand. Even though I don't understand what you are talking about, By doing that, you absolutely ARE changing their records and accomplishments. By doing that, Easy Goer's CAREER record is NOT 14 of 20 with 12 stakes wins & 9 GI wins. And more importantly, SS's CAREER record is NOT 9 of 14 with 6 GI wins & 7 total stakes wins, ONE GI win vs older at age 3, running 6 of his 14 races in GII or lower races etc. Using YOUR own words, but for other horses: "Comparing Easy Goer & SS is like comparing apples to oranges. Whittingham (after the TC races & before the BCC. For 5 months between the Bel & BCC) picked his spots (2 races in 5 months, one a GII loss in 2:02 for 10f, and the other a win in Louisiana in 2:03.2 for 10f) very carefully with SS. Easy Goer, on the other hand, achieved success in the biggest races in the land open to older horses that many other horses can only dream about, including the Jockey Club Gold Cup, Woodward, Travers & Whitney. Easy Goer also set a mile track record that still stands over 25 years & counting later. EG also ran the second fastest Belmont of all time, and ran amidst the fastest editions of many revered, time honored, historic races at many distances." There is NO way that SS should be allowed (in your scenario) to run 12 races as a 3 yr old when he only ran 9 (won 7 of 9). "It is highly highly questionable how SS would have fared running 12 races (when he ONLY ran 14 in his ENTIRE CAREER) as a 3 yr old."
My scenario STILL has EG & SS's CAREER records & accomplishments the same. SS beats EG in the Grade I BC Juvenile in mud by 2.5, in the Grade I Wood Memorial by a nose, and Grade I Met Mile by a neck. Easy Goer beats SS by 8 in ANY OTHER Grade I (it obviously does NOT have to be the Belmont Stakes). Easy Goer still wins 12 total stakes races, 9 GI wins, etc. SS still wins 6 total GI races & 7 total stakes wins etc. You also never answered on what constitutes "lesser races" to YOU. "Lesser races" could be maiden, allowance races. It also could be lesser stakes races, or "lesser GI" races. To be fair, My scenario still has their races All in GI races. Maybe you meant "lesser races" than GI races.
Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer made USA and European horse racing what it was, is and will always be. Easy Goer ran as fast and as fluid as any thoroughbred who ever ran, and still stands strong in thoroughbred history. Easy Goer combined blistering speed over sprint and mile distances with thoroughly brilliant stamina at classic distances, and he will always be mentioned in the same breath with the greatest of all time. Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer is in the bloodlines of a numerous amount of G-1 winners in the USA and Europe. Easy Goer's daughter My Flag won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Ashland, G-1 Gazelle, G-1 Bonnie Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Corinthian won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, G-1 Met Mile, G-1 Gulfstream Park Handicap, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Storm Flag Flying won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Personal Ensign, G-1 Frizette, G-1 Matron, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Bulletin won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson London Bridge won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Marathon, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Araafa won the Group 1 St. James's Palace Stakes, G-1 Irish 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Astronomer Royal won the Group 1 French 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Will's Way won the Grade 1 Whitney Handicap, G-1 Travers Stakes, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Lion Tamer won the G-1 Cigar Mile, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Magical Fantasy won the G-1 Yellow Ribbon, G-1 Gamely, G-1 Ramona {Mabee}, G-1 Del Mar Oaks, G-1 Santa Barbara, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Audible won the G-1 Florida Derby, G-1 Holy Bull, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Funny Moon won the G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Monba won the G-1 Blue Grass, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Dynamic One won the G-1 Suburban, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Furlough won the G-1 Ballerina, G-1 Distaff, G-1 Honorable Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Composer won the G-1 Jim Dandy, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Relaxing Rhythm won the G-1 Molly Pitcher, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Tiz Miz Sue won the G-1 Ogden Phipps, et cetera. And many more.
"Why he lost? Sunday Silence raced without Lasix?" Why would Sunday Silence racing without Lasix be "why he lost" if Sunday Silence didn't race with Lasix before the Belmont in New York (which banned Lasix & all other drugs)?
Easy Goer did have a penchant for large winning margins and extremely speedy clockings( and they were extremely fast, even in the context of how slow or fast the surfaces were playing on those given days). He did win most of his races by large margins & running spectacularly fast times. His lack of experience in this type of race may have caused him to be very uncomfortable when in so tight on the rail & may have caused him not to stride properly late when uncomfortable and in very tight. This race, both horses were fighters and fought spectacularly.
No excuses when you lose 3 of 4 Grade 1 Steaks races to the same horse please don't shout how much better you are than him.
So sad to hear this 30 years later ; Still sour Grapes.
@@thejammfam You can watch Easy Goer in the last stretch and see that he's uncomfortable and a bit distracted being jammed against the rail, and his pulling slightly to the right. That cost him the race.
Show this 2002 DRF Jay Hovdey Alex Harthill article.
@@sigscorpion9275 Sicko psycho troll it is "shown" and "posted" above a hundred times.
@@richardernsberger5692 Easy Goer was a far superior horse. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was a far better horse than the drug-dependent & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-dependent sunday silence. Easy Goer ran many freakish performances on many different tracks & did it drug-free without any drugs & without the rider using the whip. Between the two horses, EG & SS, the ONLY horse of the 2 who got DRILLED was Sunday Silence when SS was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well. Nothing will make that go away. Clearly, Sunday Silence was most definitely exposed as a drug-dependent fraud, as he was not only drilled & crushed by Easy Goer when forced to run drug-free w/o any drugs, but ss barely beat the turd claimer Le Voyageur. When ss was given all of his ped drugs he then romped over the turd claimer Le Voyageur in the Louisiana Downs Derby. Nothing will make that go away. SS LOST 4 RACES in his very short career on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than a mile, & 10 of his 14 career races were against a bunch of turds. Easy Goer won on all 3 sized tracks (8f, 9f & 12f sized tracks); sunday silence did NOT. Easy Goer won G1 races drug-free without any drugs at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f with much less time & rest between races at more fluctuating, different distances while carrying & conceding more weight, & ran faster times at all distances, & ran far superior speed figures & performance ratings at all distances, & he ran many more career races. Sunday Silence only won G1 races with performance enhancing drugs at 9f to 10f with much more time & rest between races, & ran far less career races. Nothing will make that go away. Sunday Silence was even afforded the benefit of (a) running with the performance enhancing drugs Lasix (6 length performance enhancement), Clenbuterol, etc., vs Easy Goer, while Easy Goer ran drug-free without any drugs, (b) EG going into the Derby with 13 days rest, with SS going into the Derby with a full months rest, & EG having cracks in BOTH front feet for the Derby & Preakness, as well as EG having a crooked turned-out left knee, a clubfoot, very problematic enlarged ankles & knees, short upright pasterns, & back at the knee, (c) in the Derby EG being cut off badly by Northern Wolf & Dansil, (d) in the Preakness having Valenzuela deviously force EG out 8 or 9 wide to the stables down the backstretch, then EG flew by & passed ss completely legally without shutting him off or cutting him off or forcing him to steady (this is confirmed by the 1989 Belmont Stakes Full Broadcast video showing the head-on video), then having Valenzuela deviously bang & push EG in as tight as can be scraping the dead rail, then having his awful rider turn his head out with the lead right before the wire, not to mention his inferior trainer & inferior rider making glaringly obvious major mistakes for/in many races, (e) EG was prepped in a 12f race for the 10f BC Classic (a longer prep race has the hazardous consequence of dulling natural speed and blunting the speed needed in a shorter race, while generating the horse's stamina at the expense of speed) with only a few weeks time between the 12f race & the 10f BCC, while SS had 6 weeks rest between his final 10f prep for the BCC, & EG suffered a bout of tympanic colic on BC Classic day (Ray Paulick declared this in his book), & Easy Goer still was only narrowly edged in a few races by the slimmest of margins to the performance-enhancing drugs-filled Sunday Silence, because ss was given the ped drugs Lasix & Clenbuterol. Everyone knows that Clenbuterol & Lasix are potent performance enhancing drugs. Performance enhancing drugs are NOT AT ALL grasping at straws. Performance enhancing drugs are NOT AT ALL making excuses. Nothing will make all of this go away.
Secretariat got drilled & Lost Many Big Races to the TURDS Herbull, Master Achiever, Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light & Fleet n Royal by a Combined 11 Lengths while carrying feathery low weights. Citation lost 4 out of 5 times to Noor. Kelso lost 3 out of 4 times to Beau Purple. Forego lost 2 out of 3 times to Big Spruce & Wajima. Dr Fager lost 2 out of 4 times to Damascus by a combined 12 lengths. John Henry lost to Cabrini Green 4 out of 4 times. John Henry lost to Darby Creek Road 3 out of 3 times. Shuvee lost 4 out of 5 times to Gallant Bloom. Skip Away lost 4 out of 6 times to Formal Gold. Sir Barton lost 8 out of 12 times to Billy Kelly. Whirlaway lost 2 out of 3 times to Alsab. California Chrome lost 2 out of 3 times to Bayern, etc etc.
Might be the best race ive ever seen.
For an equally exciting race, check out the 1987 Santa Anita Handicap with Ferdinand and Broad Brush. THAT was SOME race.
It isn't bad at all. It's great, and many many greats were behind or tied on the head to head scoreboard - Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Skip Away, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Sir Barton among many others were behind or tied in head to heads. Who was better though? Better, like beauty is subjective and true in the eyes of the beholder. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances and at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, rider errors, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc and many many more. They were both great horses. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective.
They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads with other examples being: 1) Noor beat HOF champ Citation in 4 of 5 races head to head. 2) Beau Purple beat HOF champ Kelso in 3 of 4 races head
to head. 3) Big Spruce & Wajima beat HOF champ Forego in 2 of 3 races head to head. 4) Damascus beat Dr Fager in 2 of 4 races head to head. Swaps and Nashua were 1 to 1 head to head. 5) Mehmet & Interco beat John Henry in 2 of 3 races. 6) Darby Creek Road also beat HOF champ John Henry in 3 of 3 races. 7) Cabrini Green also beat John Henry in 4 of 4 races. 8) Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand in 3 races. 9) Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champ Sir Barton in 8 of 12 races. 10) Formal Gold beat HOF champ Skip Away in 4 of 6 races. 11) Star of Cozzene beat HOY Kotashaan in 3 of 4 races. 12) Pretense beat HOF champ Native Diver 5 times. 13) Summer Squall beat champion Unbridled in 4 of 6 races head to head. 14) Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday in 3 of 3 races. 15) Akureyri beat champion Pleasant Colony in 3 of 4 races, etc etc. The point is who was better in any way is subjective.
Having said all that, while it's interesting, there is NO point in saying Easy Goer was "better".
The last resort! Always the last resort.
Travis West, aka an infinite amount of others - Who's better in any way is totally subjective. Noor beat Citation 4 out of 5 races. Citation was better. Beau Purple beat Kelso 3 out of 4 races. Kelso was better. SS held the 3-1 edge on Easy Goer. Easy Goer was better. Akureyri beat Pleasant Colony 3 out of 4 races. Pleasant Colony was better. Gallant Bloom beat Shuvee 4 out of 5 races. Shuvee was better. Formal Gold beat Skip Away 4 out of 6 races. Skip Away was better. Damascus beat Dr Fager 2 out of 4 races. Dr Fager was better. Big Spruce beat Forego 2 out of 3 races. Forego was better. Darby Creek Road beat John Henry 3 out of 3 races. John Henry was better. Cabrini Green beat John Henry 4 out of 4 races. John Henry was better. Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champion Hall of Famer Sir Barton 8 out of 12 races. Sir Barton was better. Summer Squall beat Unbridled 4 out of 6 races. And many more. The list is endless. They don't prove or disprove anything, and who's better in any way is totally subjective.
SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career. Drug-Free races stood as huge obstacles to drug dependent horses like Sunday Silence and so many others. No-drug races keep the outcomes crystal clear. Drug-free races were/are a major factor in keeping the no-drugs races the true tests of champions. Winning any race on drugs was/is not what racing is about. Only the drug-free races could/can be called championship events.
Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others; and who's better in any way is totally subjective period.
There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed
figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer ran substantially superior speed figures at every distance. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to
consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it
even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were
behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others.
SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental & essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest & time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS
(with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time & rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs & with much more rest & time in between races, in his much shorter career. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks,
size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being
allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in
can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth
looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried
& weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open
company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career
earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs
allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc
etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally
subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8
million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career;
& other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, speed figures, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried,
weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Travis West, aka an infinite amount of others - Who's better in any way is totally subjective. Noor beat Citation 4 out of 5 races. Citation was better. Beau Purple beat Kelso 3 out of 4 races. Kelso was better. SS held the 3-1 edge on Easy Goer. Easy Goer was better. Akureyri beat Pleasant Colony 3 out of 4 races. Pleasant Colony was better. Gallant Bloom beat Shuvee 4 out of 5 races. Shuvee was better. Formal Gold beat Skip Away 4 out of 6 races. Skip Away was better. Damascus beat Dr Fager 2 out of 4 races. Dr Fager was better. Big Spruce beat Forego 2 out of 3 races. Forego was better. Darby Creek Road beat John Henry 3 out of 3 races. John Henry was better. Cabrini Green beat John Henry 4 out of 4 races. John Henry was better. Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champion Hall of Famer Sir Barton 8 out of 12 races. Sir Barton was better. Summer Squall beat Unbridled 4 out of 6 races. And many more. The list is endless. They don't prove or disprove anything, and who's better in any way is totally subjective.
SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career. Drug-Free races stood as huge obstacles to drug dependent horses like Sunday Silence and so many others. No-drug races keep the outcomes crystal clear. Drug-free races were/are a major factor in keeping the no-drugs races the true tests of champions. Winning any race on drugs was/is not what racing is about. Only the drug-free races could/can be called championship events.
Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others; and who's better in any way is totally subjective period.
There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed
figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer ran substantially superior speed figures at every distance. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to
consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it
even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were
behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others.
SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental & essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest & time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS
(with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time & rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs & with much more rest & time in between races, in his much shorter career. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks,
size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being
allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in
can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth
looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried
& weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open
company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career
earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs
allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc
etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally
subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8
million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career;
& other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, speed figures, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried,
weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Travis West, aka an infinite amount of others - Who's better in any way is totally subjective. Noor beat Citation 4 out of 5 races. Citation was better. Beau Purple beat Kelso 3 out of 4 races. Kelso was better. SS held the 3-1 edge on Easy Goer. Easy Goer was better. Akureyri beat Pleasant Colony 3 out of 4 races. Pleasant Colony was better. Gallant Bloom beat Shuvee 4 out of 5 races. Shuvee was better. Formal Gold beat Skip Away 4 out of 6 races. Skip Away was better. Damascus beat Dr Fager 2 out of 4 races. Dr Fager was better. Big Spruce beat Forego 2 out of 3 races. Forego was better. Darby Creek Road beat John Henry 3 out of 3 races. John Henry was better. Cabrini Green beat John Henry 4 out of 4 races. John Henry was better. Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champion Hall of Famer Sir Barton 8 out of 12 races. Sir Barton was better. Summer Squall beat Unbridled 4 out of 6 races. And many more. The list is endless. They don't prove or disprove anything, and who's better in any way is totally subjective.
SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career. Drug-Free races stood as huge obstacles to drug dependent horses like Sunday Silence and so many others. No-drug races keep the outcomes crystal clear. Drug-free races were/are a major factor in keeping the no-drugs races the true tests of champions. Winning any race on drugs was/is not what racing is about. Only the drug-free races could/can be called championship events.
Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others; and who's better in any way is totally subjective period.
There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed
figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer ran substantially superior speed figures at every distance. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to
consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it
even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were
behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others.
SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental & essential. Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest & time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS
(with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time & rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs & with much more rest & time in between races, in his much shorter career. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks,
size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being
allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in
can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth
looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried
& weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open
company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career
earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs
allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc
etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally
subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8
million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career;
& other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, speed figures, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried,
weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Better or best in any way is totally subjective for either side. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses. Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. There was also the Belmont where Easy Goer clobbered him. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F.
Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
Who is finer? That is nonobjective and intuitive. They were both phenomenal horses. Though a small sample, they were mere inches apart from being a level, even two to two when opposing one another in direct competition. Easy Goer did accomplish and achieve more in his career res'ume'.
Good points. Better horse? Who was better or superior? Noor 4 Citation 1 in head to head races. Beau Purple 3 Kelso 1 in head to head races. SS 3 Easy Goer 1. EG & SS were so closely ranked (with SS narrowly ranked ahead) by the ONE BH panel. Clearly, being so close in head to heads in the biggest races, AND the fact that Easy Goer's body of work & career was Superior to that of SS, did not make it an easy decision on who to rank above the other. They may have went with the: "Easy Goer's Body of work and career was SUPERIOR to that of SS. But SS's 3 to 1 Edge specifically in the BIGGEST races gave him the Nod by the Same Nose as his Preakness win." Billy Kelly 8 Sir Barton 4. Big Spruce 2 Forego 1. Wajima 2 Forego 1. Interco 2 John Henry 1. Mehmet 2 John Henry 1. Darby Creek Road 3 John Henry 0. Cabrini Green 4 John Henry 1. Damascus 2 Dr. Fager 2. Formal Gold 4 Skip Away 2. Additionally, Crystal Water beat Ancient Title 4 times. Cutlass Reality beat Ferdinand 3 times. Pretense beat Native Diver 5 times. Akureyri 3 Pleasant Colony 1. Who was better or superior? That is totally subjective with many many factors that come into play. And even after those many many factors are factored in, who was better is still completely subjective.
Ariel Dovid. Sunday ALL DAY
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless
amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head
records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager,
Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song,
Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others.
There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer
destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era
that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against
Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS
won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So
SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins
and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile
one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a
better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their
respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest,
fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F,
9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence
at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday
Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all
timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F.
Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including
Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS
example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was
"better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to
consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the
records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races
certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you
were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it
even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which
is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG
in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better
overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally
subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were
behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including
Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua,
John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many
others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4
by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got
beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by
Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown
winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got
beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by
Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; &
there are an endless amount of other similar examples.
Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much
less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran
mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned
all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between
races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run
in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6
races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks
with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's
record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks,
size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region,
rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being
allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot
be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much
more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine
the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in
can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races.
It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because
other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth
looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is
flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to :
superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded
Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running
times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances,
head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried
& weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open
company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior
campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority &
dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers,
training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run,
track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career
earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications
allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc
etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally
subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors.
Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9
Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing
versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6
Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile
indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also
defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a
good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses
only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to
run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running
times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e)
career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8
million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9
to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older
horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1
stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS
at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 &
a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was
defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career;
& other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying
distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records,
running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns,
durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average
win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight
concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO
Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors
& categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are
factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats,
but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and
had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in
head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more
other than head to heads.
Which words? Here are Direct verbatim quotes of what Hovdey wrote, transmitting clear claims made by Harthill about SS, & he expressed it in as clear fashion as can be: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. Harthill illegally gave Northern Dancer the illegal drug Furosemide in the hours before the Derby in 1964. Other than Northern Dancer, Harthill confirmed that he gave Furosemide to other notable horses, including Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Harthill declared he regularly used illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs, & gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Aside from Sunday Silence, Harthill also asserted that he administered Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, to other top-tier horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Winning Colors, Lil E. Tee, Summer Squall & Black Tie Affair. Harthill also proclaimed that he was proud that he inaugurated the use of Clenbuterol, & regularly used Clenbuterol in the 1980's & 1990's. Harthill also affirmed that a common practice of his was to inject illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated, as well as rubbing heroin on the tongues of horses (but only after it was tested for efficacy by handy addicts). The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Many studies done on Lasix have concluded that it makes horses run faster & enhances performance. Using many different methods to gauge how much faster horses run after being treated with Lasix, the studies found an improvement of about six to nine lengths at distances of a mile or farther. The drug Clenbuterol has a similar effect on the body as Epinephrine & Amphetamines by increasing the production of Epinephrine & Noradrenaline, & thus significantly enhancing performance. Clenbuterol also thins blood & widens the vessels that carry oxygen, so the volume of oxygen in the blood increases, which increases energy & improves performance. Clenbuterol is an extraordinary drug with two completely different effects that dramatically enhance performance, speed, stamina, endurance, lung capacity & energy levels. It greatly aids breathing by significantly expanding the air passages in the lungs letting air flow much more freely, & it dramatically reduces body fat by causing rapid fat burning. Clenbuterol performed miracles for horses who made inexplicable improvements with major enhancements in performance. The drugs Etorphine & Sublimaze are drugs that give horses such a sense of euphoria & well-being that they feel like they don’t have legs.
Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he publicly acknowledged doing so many times. The US DEA filed suit against Alex Harthill on 102 charges of possessing & using unusual quantities of these & other drugs. Alex Harthill & drugs have led to the destruction of integrity in racing. Harthill was at the vanguard of giving drugs to horses that were used to vastly enhance their performances, & they were remarkably effective turning good horses into great horses, bad horses into good horses, slower horses into faster horses, horses with no business winning doing so, & causing horses to run far over their heads. Harthill was a vet who had stolen a 30 length lead in the race to discover drugs that would significantly move up racehorses, & Harthill had no hesitancy in using whatever was available. Harthill was a magic man vet practicing the dark arts of racehorse manipulation. Harthill was arrested many times for tampering, bribery & doping horses with drugs. Alex Harthill did more cheating with drugs to win horse races than any vet in history. Harthill bribed state officials to throw away positive drug tests from horses that he had treated, & lost his license in many states. In no other major sport does an owner, coach, trainer or doctor have the ability, through working with several entrants in the same event, to directly affect the outcome. Harthill was a crooked vet who administered these & other performance enhancing drugs to his horses. Harthill was the most important factor in countless outcomes of numerous races. Harthill made Bob Baffert, Rick Dutrow, etc., look like Altar boys."
"Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT INFERIOR DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Sunday Silence had been TREATED WITH DRUGS in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness & Breeders' Cup Classic when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't for the Belmont Stakes in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies about drugs, for ALL DRUGS are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the US. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT INFERIOR DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran of DRF, LA Times & Newsday.
"Kentucky Derby Doctor Alex Harthill Reveals Disgraceful Past: Harthill Reflects on Unlawful Life's Work. Harthill Discloses He Administered Forbidden Performance-Enhancing Drugs To Many American Classic Winners In The Kentucky Derby, Preakness And Breeders' Cup Classic." How about the Belmont Stakes & the enormous amount of the other major G1 stakes races in New York? How about when the Breeders Cup took place in NY? Harthill was barred in NY. NY also was the only state in the entire country during that era which banned all drugs. NY also had the most advanced out-of-competition, training & raceday testing, & tested for an enormous amount of drugs. DRF 2001 Jay Hovdey: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me (Jay Hovdey/DRF) how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he Publicly Acknowledged Doing So many times. Harthill said, 'I (Harthill) was used for horses (Sunday Silence, etc) pointing for, & running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS & had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses (Sunday Silence, etc) I helped WITH DRUGS IN THEIR CAREERS. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses (Sunday Silence, etc) a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, Don't get me caught, but keep me worried. Even though a horse is 5 or 7 times larger than humans, the amount of dope needed to have an effect is so small. An amount on the tip of a match would be enough to flick up a horse's nose to get a spectacular result. By the time they got my horses to the starting gate they’d be leaping out of their skin. I administered illegal drugs throughout my career that INCREASED the performances of racehorses IN CLASSIC RACES, & almost all of the time I did so, my horses won. You can only revere the horses (Easy Goer, etc) whom my horses defeated even more, to do all they (Easy Goer, etc) were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short (Easy Goer, etc) of horses (Sunday Silence, etc) who had been given performance-enhancing drugs (Sunday Silence, etc) by myself. By doing so, I acknowledge that I effectively stole a large amount of money in my career, & cheated many other horses, trainers, owners & riders I competed against. Nonetheless, I consider my extensive doping as a mark of pride.' "
Maybe -- even probably -- it was Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela who actually was the one "trying to screw Pat ron franklin-esque Day the whole way around" by floating him very wide towards the barns on the back-side, and by trapping him and knocking him in very tight to the rail afterwards on the turn and thru the stretch. That link to the entire broadcast of the 89' Belmont which shows the back-side head on footage of the Preakness doesn't show Pat ron franklin-esque Day shutting off or cutting off Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela. Interesting to note that Silence's owner Arthur Hancock assumed, like most others, that Pat Day did. However, on the 'Arthur Hancock on Sunday Silence' video uploaded here on youtube by Blood-Horse, Hancock even admits he didn't by saying at the 8:50 point, "Easy Goer swept past Sunday Silence, and it looked to me like he might have shut him off. Silence dropped back a length or two, and I said to my wife that Easy Goer just shut us off. That's what I thought looking through my binoculars. But he didn't, he did not, he was far enough out there."
What does PV having been suspended have to do with how he rode Sunday Silence
Of course Easy Goer won outside New York, the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs and medications. And in the process, Easy Goer ran the fastest 7f of the year in Florda while doing so. That's also like saying that Sunday Silence never won when racing without all drugs and medications. That's also like saying that SS never won on larger circumferenced tracks (lost 4 of 6) of 1 1/8 miles or larger.
You have become a thundering bore.
Always the last refuge! The last resort!
Hovdey(HRTV-The Rivalry) & Crist(DRF Champions) both made valid points on this: "They were inches apart, but miles ahead of their contemporaries. In the absence of either, each would have been dominant Triple Crown champions with only history as a benchmark." "Without SS, Easy Goer would have been a Triple Crown champion with a long list of the most historical,prestigious races steeped in tradition(most by large winning margins & extremely speedy clockings) &would have statues erected & be up there with other Top 5 all time best horses. Without EG,SS would have also been a TC champion, but SS didn't have nearly the overall career,overall campaign & the long list of other historical,prestigious races(most by large winning margins & extremely all time fastest clockings) as Easy Goer did. Both great."
Show this 2002 DRF Jay Hovdey Alex Harthill article.
@@sigscorpion9275 sick twisted troll, it is shown and posted above a million times.
so post it... i cant find it
"There is no study on the web entitled"? You'd need to find EVERY study on, or off of, the web in order to know what every study on, or off of, the web is entitled, in order to know if there are no studies on, or off of, the web with those titles.
YOU GOT NOTHING TRAVIS WEST
@@sigscorpion9275 120% TRUTH Sigmund
@@traviswest949 NOPE NOT TRUE TRAVIS WEST. EASY GOER WAS THE ONE ON DRUGS
@@sigscorpion9275 The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence WAS THE ONE ON THE ILLEGAL PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, plus Furosemide, Banamine, acetylsalicylic acid, meclofanemic acid, Naproxen, & Bute (though Bute was erroneously listed even though it was given 1 to 3 days before a race, which was corrected by KY in 93' & going forward), period. Mounds of evidence has been provided THAT the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence was given the ILLEGAL PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, as well as Furosemide, Banamine, acetylsalicylic acid, meclofanemic acid, Naproxen, & Bute (though Bute was erroneously listed even though it was given 1 to 3 days before a race, which was corrected by KY in 93' & going forward), period. You've plastered these comment boards with thousands of pages consisting of statements like all of these. You repeat the same things, verbatim, hundreds of times, but NOTHING you've said shows that Harthill did not admit that he gave the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, to Sunday Silence, in order to significantly enhance ss's performances in the specific major races of the Derby, Preakness & Classic.
@@sigscorpion9275 Mounds of evidence provided with a voluntary admission by the banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, ss 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. EG 14, ss 0; EG 1, ss 0. Mounds of evidence provided with a voluntary admission that the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence was given the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. Harthill admitted it in a voluntary admission.
Easy Goer is one of the best racehorses America ever produced, he is tough and at his best he is unbeatable, never beaten by more than 2 lengths, beautiful pedigree, the USA was so lucky to have him as a stallion, great loss for USA & Europe with him dying so premature, but big win for Horse Racing. Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer made USA and European horse racing what it was, is and will always be. Easy Goer ran as fast and as fluid as any thoroughbred who ever ran, and still stands strong in thoroughbred history. Easy Goer combined blistering speed over sprint and mile distances with thoroughly brilliant stamina at classic distances, and he will always be mentioned in the same breath with the greatest of all time. Even with dying very premature, Easy Goer is in the bloodlines of a numerous amount of G-1 winners in the USA and Europe. Easy Goer's daughter My Flag won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Ashland, G-1 Gazelle, G-1 Bonnie Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Corinthian won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, G-1 Met Mile, G-1 Gulfstream Park Handicap, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Storm Flag Flying won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G-1 Personal Ensign, G-1 Frizette, G-1 Matron, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Bulletin won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson London Bridge won the G-1 Breeders' Cup Marathon, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Araafa won the Group 1 St. James's Palace Stakes, G-1 Irish 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Astronomer Royal won the Group 1 French 2,000 Guineas, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Will's Way won the Grade 1 Whitney Handicap, G-1 Travers Stakes, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Lion Tamer won the G-1 Cigar Mile, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Magical Fantasy won the G-1 Yellow Ribbon, G-1 Gamely, G-1 Ramona {Mabee}, G-1 Del Mar Oaks, G-1 Santa Barbara, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Audible won the G-1 Florida Derby, G-1 Holy Bull, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Funny Moon won the G-1 Coaching Club American Oaks, G-1 Shuvee, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Monba won the G-1 Blue Grass, et cetera. Easy Goer's grandson Dynamic One won the G-1 Suburban, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Furlough won the G-1 Ballerina, G-1 Distaff, G-1 Honorable Miss, et cetera. Easy Goer's son Composer won the G-1 Jim Dandy, et cetera. Easy Goer's daughter Relaxing Rhythm won the G-1 Molly Pitcher, et cetera. Easy Goer's granddaughter Tiz Miz Sue won the G-1 Ogden Phipps, et cetera. And many more.
LOL...NO DRUGS < doping> AND A 3RD PLACE FINISH ARE NOT ALOND🤣🤣🤣
@@sigscorpion9275 The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer never got beat by more than 2 lengths in a much longer career running many more races, while the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant Sunday Silence (in a much shorter career running far less races) got crushed by 8 widening lengths by the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer at equal weights when forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & also without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. Sunday Silence also lost to Caro Lover, Houston, Prized in a G2 race (Easy Goer beat Prized by 25 lengths), & Criminal Type (only 5 pound weight difference). Easy Goer destroyed sunday silence. The maiden claimer Caro Lover beat sunday silence. The sprinter Houston beat sunday silence on ss's larger home track of Hollywood. Prized beat sunday silence in a G2 race on ss's larger home track of Hollywood (Easy Goer crushed Prized by 25 lengths). Criminal Type beat sunday silence on ss's larger home track of Hollywood. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer Only lost by a little more than 1 length because Easy Goer carried 14 POUNDS more than fellow Hall of Fame Champion Housebuster, & Easy Goer carried 7 POUNDS more than Criminal Type. Criminal Type Carried 7 POUNDS LESS than Easy Goer. Housebuster carried 14 POUNDS less than Easy Goer; & Easy Goer carried 7 to 20 POUNDS more than other champions/G1 winners Black Tie Affair, Sewickley, Cryptoclearance, Slew City Slew, Proper Reality, De Roche, Montubio, Tricky Creek, etc & still beat all of them IN THIS G1 Met Mile, & also in the G1 Suburban, G1 Jockey Club Gold Cup, G1 Woodward, G1 Whitney etc. Criminal Type beat Sunday Silence while carrying only 5 pounds less than Sunday Silence. Common sense, as well as Newton's 2nd law of motion, tells us that if Criminal Type & Housebuster had carried equal weights, while generating the same kind of force they did in these races, they would have posted slower times & would have lost this race to Easy Goer. Common sense, as well as Newton's 2nd law of motion, tells us that if Easy Goer had carried equal weights, he would have posted a faster time & would have won this race over both Criminal Type & Housebuster. Case closed indeed.
The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence is 0 for 5 when forced to run drug-free without any drugs. The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence is 0 for 5 when forced to run without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant sunday silence is 1 for 5 on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f.
@@sigscorpion9275 The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, & the drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant Sunday Silence 0 wins drug-free without any drugs; Easy Goer 14, SS 0; EG 1, ss 0.
The drug-reliant & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant Sunday Silence got crushed by 8 widening lengths by the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer at equal weights when forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & also without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. Sunday Silence also lost to Caro Lover, Houston, Prized in a G2 race (Easy Goer beat Prized by 25 lengths), & Criminal Type (only 5 pound weight difference). The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer Only lost by a little more than 1 length because Easy Goer carried 14 POUNDS more than fellow Hall of Fame Champion Housebuster, & Easy Goer carried 7 POUNDS more than Criminal Type. Criminal Type Carried 7 POUNDS LESS than Easy Goer. Housebuster carried 14 POUNDS less than Easy Goer; & Easy Goer carried 7 to 20 POUNDS more than other champions/G1 winners Black Tie Affair, Sewickley, Cryptoclearance, Slew City Slew, Proper Reality, De Roche, Montubio, Tricky Creek, etc & still beat all of them IN THIS G1 Met Mile, & also in the G1 Suburban, G1 Jockey Club Gold Cup, G1 Woodward, G1 Whitney etc. Criminal Type beat Sunday Silence while carrying only 5 pounds less than Sunday Silence. Common sense, as well as Newton's 2nd law of motion, tells us that if Criminal Type & Housebuster had carried equal weights or weight for age, while generating the same kind of force they did in these races, they would have posted slower times & would have lost this race to Easy Goer. Common sense, as well as Newton's 2nd law of motion, tells us that if Easy Goer had carried equal weights or weight for age, he would have posted a faster time & would have won this race over both Housebuster & Criminal Type. Case closed.
"Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Sunday Silence had been TREATED WITH DRUGS in the Kentucky Derby, Preakness & Breeders' Cup Classic when edging Easy Goer, but couldn't for the Belmont Stakes in New York, the one state where all drugs are banned. Easy Goer was free from all of the controversies about drugs, for ALL DRUGS are prohibited in New York, as they are in the rest of the racing world outside the US. The key questions that influenced racing all year was: Could Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer without drugs? Could Sunday Silence win without drugs? He gave definitive & assertive replies to the questions: NO. Sunday Silence struggled home edging Le Voyageur but was thoroughly beaten, as the splendid Easy Goer sprinted off with the Belmont Stakes. Racing should be filled with SUPERIOR horses like EASY GOER, who did NOT require ANY drugs to perform at his best, & NOT DRUG-RELIANT horses like SUNDAY SILENCE, so we focus our attention on the sport instead of drugs. Racing wears drugs like festering, self-inflicted wounds on the end of its nose opened by the ax of greed & stamped with the endorsements of every racing commission in the nation except New York's. Racing's drug dependency, like any drug problem, has become a major problem & tarnished the sport. It is to New York's merit & acclaim that their major races stand as giant hurdles to drug-reliant horses. Winning major races on drugs is not what racing is about." Paul Moran of DRF, LA Times & Newsday.
I have never had the pleasure of anyone stating either of these two horses going to nose to nose would be a "tremendous failure" on either horses part, or that both going to nose to nose weren't showing tremendous fight & fighting with vigor,tenaciousness, fortitude & distinction by both horses. Really?
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Sigmund sig Bless his heart Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, ss 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. EG 14, ss 0; EG 1, ss 0. And ss was was practically dead when he was forced to run drug-free without any drugs in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well.
In two 1990's books on Claiborne Farm, McGaughey stated, "Easy Goer had these issues, but he had such an outstanding way of going that he'd glide so smoothly. The issues didn't really bother him, he was so muscular, strong and competitive, he'd run through brick walls, and I never ran him on any medications. He never needed them." In these same 90's Claiborne Farm books, as well as stallion directory books, Claiborne Farm's President Seth Hancock, as well as the Director of Stallion & Foal Operations Gus Koch are both quoted: Seth Hancock said, "One of the many claims to fame for Easy Goer is, in an era of vast legal and illegal drug use, he ran his entire career drug-free in 20 starts for a total of well over 20 miles of racing." Gus Koch said, "From the day he was born, Easy Goer had a clubfoot, a crooked turned-out left knee, bad grapefruit sized ankles and knees, but he made up for it all by his exceptional balance, action and stride, and never ran on any drugs." When McGaughey himself is quoted directly in two 90's Claiborne Farm books, KY Law, all official DRF & FIGS Form papers, Claiborne Farm, Bloodhorse, Thoroughbred Record, DRF, etc., & all (all are reliable sources & all intimately familiar with DRF publications) say that EG ran drug-free & was never given any medications (including the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute).
When McGaughey himself is quoted directly in two 90's Claiborne Farm books, KY Law, all official DRF & FIGS Form papers, Claiborne Farm, Bloodhorse, Thoroughbred Record, DRF, etc., & all (all are reliable sources & all intimately familiar with DRF publications) say that EG ran drug-free & was never given any medications (including the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute) or drugs (race-day medications/drugs) within a minimum of 24 hours (1 Full Day; & most likely 48 hours or 2 days because 48 hours or 2 days was/is the standard) of any race in his career, it means EG did not run or race on any drugs; & they are all 100% correct. EG was never given any medications (including the aspirin bute) or drugs on race-day (within a minimum of 24 hours or 1 Full Day & most likely 48 hours or 2 days because 48 hours or 2 days was/is the standard) of any race in his career. EG also was never given any performance enhancing drugs in his career. Back in the 80's, KY erroneously & incorrectly listed horses as being on (given) bute on race-day, even though they were only permitted by KY law to be given bute 1 to 3 days before a race, 24 to 72 hours before a race, & a minimum of 1 day or 24 hrs before a race. Yet, the diuretic & painkiller drugs Hydrochlorothiazide, Etacrynic Acid, Torasemide, & Furosemide, as well as Banamine, Acetylsalicylic Acid, Meclofanemic Acid & Naproxen were/are allowed to be given within 4 hours of a race, yet KY only listed horses being given Furosemide. "In the 1980's KY law only allowed the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory bute to be given a MINIMUM of at least 24 hours, a FULL DAY, before a race, and up to 72 hours, three days, before a race, but not within 24 hours of a race, not on race-day of a race. However, the diuretic & painkiller drugs Hydrochlorothiazide, Etacrynic Acid, Torasemide, & Furosemide, as well as Banamine, Acetylsalicylic Acid, Meclofanemic Acid & Naproxen all are allowed to be given within 4 hours of a race." McGaughey said that he was reminded even though the aspirin bute would be given THREE DAYS before a race, KY law absurdly still listed the horses as being given the aspirin bute in the actual race 3 days later on race-day. McGaughey did NOT say that he gave the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory aspirin bute in the BCC at Gulfstream in Florida, & not in the Swale Stakes in Florida, & not in the Preakness in Maryland. McGaughey said he did not give the asprin bute in the Preakness. McGaughey also said that he was reminded even though the aspirin bute would be given THREE DAYS before a race, KY law absurdly still listed the horses as being given the aspirin bute in the actual race 3 days later on race-day. When did KY correct this? 93'. Go look up here on the web of every KY Derby race chart starting from 1993 to 2020, & you will see NOT ONE horse listed as being given the aspirin bute (B) in every Derby. Why? KY did not ban the aspirin bute in 93 & going forward, but because the KY law was/is that the aspirin bute is only permitted to be given 1 to 3 days (2 days was/is the standard) before a race, or 24 to 72 hours before race (48 hours was/is the standard), it was/is incorrect, erroneous & absurd to list horses as being given aspirin bute for races on race-day, nor being on aspirin bute for races on race-day. No wonder why sunday silence was given the potent performance enhancing diuretic drug Furosemide, Banamine (5 times more powerful than the aspirin bute), acetylsalicylic acid, meclofanemic acid, & Naproxen in 13 of his 14 career races; all of these drugs were allowed to be given 4 HOURS before a race, while the aspirin bute was only allowed to be given 1 to 3 days before a race (2 days was/is the standard). No wonder why the banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill gave sunday silence the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. You can be damn sure that both EG & SS both ran drug-free without any drugs (& without ss's banned illegal criminal vet Harthill as well) when running in the Belmont in NY because NY was the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Harthill as well.
You should look up Lisa's Booby Trap- Fingerlakes. It's a great story about an underdog who showed greatness.
No. Everything in quotes are the title, subtitles, Hovdey's words & Harthill's words. The ONE & ONLY parenthesis of (but only after it was tested for efficacy by handy addicts) IS DIRECTLY VERBATIM of Hovdey's words (NOT MINE), meaning Hovdey put these words in parenthesis. The title & subtitles of the article are: "Kentucky Derby Doctor Alex Harthill Reveals Disgraceful Past: Harthill Reflects on Unlawful Life's Work. Harthill Discloses He Administered Forbidden Performance-Enhancing Drugs To Many American Classic Winners In The Kentucky Derby, Preakness And Breeders' Cup Classic." The title & subtitles are crystal clear & remove all doubts about what races Harthill gave the horses ped drugs; & they transmit clear claims made by Harthill about Sunday Silence, & he expressed it in as clear fashion as can be. Here are Direct verbatim quotes of what Hovdey wrote, transmitting clear claims made by Harthill about SS, & he expressed it in as clear fashion as can be: "Alex Harthill was BOLD ENOUGH to tell me how he illegally gave numerous horses illegal drugs, INCLUDING Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine TO SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally breaking the laws in ENHANCING his horses PERFORMANCES. Harthill ADMITTED to illegally using the immensely effective performance enhancing Bronchodilator drug Clenbuterol REGULARLY in the 1980's on his horses, 15 years before it was approved by the FDA, INCLUDING USING IT ON SUNDAY SILENCE. Harthill introduced the incredibly effective performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol in the 1980's & illegally administered it TO SUNDAY SILENCE, who benefited immeasurably by its immensely effective performance enhancing effects. Some of Harthill's other drugs that HE ADMINISTERED TO SUNDAY SILENCE were Etorphine & Sublimaze. Harthill described how he illegally gave Northern Dancer the illegal drug Furosemide in the hours before the Derby in 1964, affirming, 'I got a vet I knew from out of town to come along with me. I told him I was going to turn to the right, & he would go that way & take this syringe down to barn 24, stall 23, & give this to that horse. There would be a guy there called Will. He'd be waiting. So he did it, while the gendarmes followed me.' Other than Northern Dancer, Harthill confirmed that he gave Furosemide to other notable horses, including Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Harthill declared he regularly used illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs, & gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Aside from Sunday Silence, Harthill also asserted that he administered Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, to other top-tier horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Winning Colors, Lil E. Tee, Summer Squall & Black Tie Affair. Harthill also proclaimed that he was proud that he inaugurated the use of Clenbuterol, & regularly used Clenbuterol in the 1980's & 1990's. Harthill also affirmed that a common practice of his was to inject illegal long-acting steroid drugs into the injured areas of horses he treated, as well as rubbing heroin on the tongues of horses (but only after it was tested for efficacy by handy addicts). The drugs Harthill administered were being used to improve a horse's performance, & they were REMARKABLY EFFECTIVE. Harthill was the vet that manipulated horse races & he publicly acknowledged doing so many times. The US DEA filed suit against Alex Harthill on 102 charges of possessing & using unusual quantities of these & other drugs. Alex Harthill & drugs have led to the destruction of integrity in racing. Harthill was at the vanguard of giving drugs to horses that were used to vastly enhance their performances, & they were remarkably effective turning good horses into great horses, bad horses into good horses, slower horses into faster horses, horses with no business winning doing so, & causing horses to run far over their heads. Harthill was a vet who had stolen a 30 length lead in the race to discover drugs that would significantly move up racehorses, & Harthill had no hesitancy in using whatever was available. Harthill was a magic man vet practicing the dark arts of racehorse manipulation. Harthill was arrested many times for tampering, bribery & doping horses with drugs. Alex Harthill did more cheating with drugs to win horse races than any vet in history. Harthill bribed state officials to throw away positive drug tests from horses that he had treated, & lost his license in many states. In no other major sport does an owner, coach, trainer or doctor have the ability, through working with several entrants in the same event, to directly affect the outcome. Harthill was a crooked vet who administered these & other performance enhancing drugs to his horses. Harthill was the most important factor in countless outcomes of numerous races. Harthill made Bob Baffert, Rick Dutrow, etc., look like Altar Boys.
Harthill said, 'I was used for horses pointing for, & running in, MAJOR RACES who NEEDED DRUGS & had INFIRMITIES. I earned the reputation I had. I am very proud of the horses I helped WITH DRUGS IN THEIR CAREERS. Drugs always go through changing stages of being detected on drug tests. What I focused on was what drugs enhanced performance, together with what drugs could conceal illegal drugs, along with what drugs didn't show up on drug tests. For these reasons, I gave my horses a considerable advantage. Trainers would say, Don't get me caught, but keep me worried. Even though a horse is 5 or 7 times larger than humans, the amount of dope needed to have an effect is so small. An amount on the tip of a match would be enough to flick up a horse's nose to get a spectacular result. By the time they got my horses to the starting gate they’d be leaping out of their skin. I administered illegal drugs throughout my career that INCREASED the performances of racehorses IN CLASSIC RACES, & almost all of the time I did so, my horses won. You can only revere the horses whom my horses defeated even more, to do all they were asked to do, just to fall a slight bit short of horses who had been given performance-enhancing drugs by myself. By doing so, I acknowledge that I effectively stole a large amount of money in my career, & cheated many other horses, trainers, owners & riders I competed against. Nonetheless, I consider my extensive doping as a mark of pride.' "
Scores on scoreboards? Easy Goer 14 to 0 is the legal score; EG 1 to 0 is the legal score. The 3-1 (done ILLEGALLY by ss by the slimmest of margins, admitted to by ss's banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill admitting to giving ss illegal performance enhancing drugs [Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc]) means as much or as little as Noor 4, Citation 1 (who's better?); Beau Purple 3, Kelso 1 (who's better?); Alsab 2, Whirlaway 1; Big Spruce 2, Forego 1; Wajima 2, Forego 1; Cabrini Green 4, John Henry 0; Darby Creek Road 3, John Henry 0; Gallant Bloom 4, Shuvee 1; Damascus 2, Dr Fager 2; Akureyri 3, Pleasant Colony 1; Formal Gold 4, Skip Away 2; Billy Kelly 8, Sir Barton 4; Summer Squall 4, Unbridled 2; Bayern 2, California Chrome 1; Star of Cozzene 3, Kotashaan 1; & an endless amount of others. Who's better? So as you said, indeed "The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs", & that is why the legal, moral, ethical score is Easy Goer 14, SS 0. 14 to 0 is the legal score; 1 to 0 is the legal score.
WHAT EVIDENCE TRAVIS WEST?
It indeed was a great race between two great Hall of Fame champions. Neither horse was cut off or shut off. Both were immensely impressive. Go to the 11 minute mark of the video on here titled '1989 Belmont Stakes: Full ABC Broadcast,' where they show the full head-on video of the entire backstretch run of the Preakness. Valenzuela purposely took EG out to the parking lot on the backstretch, then EG made a giant early move to the lead and passed Valenzuela and SS totally legally without cutting them off at all. Then on the far turn through the entire stretch,
Valenzuela was pushing and banging him in as tight as can be on the dead rail. Check out the 11 minute mark of the aforementioned video. Even the owner of SS Arthur Hancock, said in the video on here titled 'Arthur Hancock on Sunday Silence,' at the 9 minute mark that 'Easy Goer swept past SS and I thought he had shut us off but EG DIDN'T, EG was FAR ENOUGH OUT THERE.' Valenzuela, with his shenanigans, was trying to get EG and Day beat at all cost - with Valenzuela purposely taking Easy Goer and Day out to the parking lot down the entire backstretch, then Valenzuela purposely banging and pushing him in as tight as can be on the dead rail from the far turn through the entire homestretch. It was Valenzuela who was trying to "screw" Easy Goer and P Day. Not to mention Day's start stop start stop start riding and yanking EG's head out to the right to run sideways with his body being forced to stay straight being in as tight as can be on the dead rail with head turned sideways.
The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was like Hall of Famers Forego (0 for 3 outside NY & FL; almost all of his major wins in NY, with a few in FL), Tom Fool (20 of 21 wins in NY), Ruffian (9 of 10 wins in NY), Man o' War (17 of 20 wins in NY), Kelso (almost all of his major wins in NY), Native Dancer (18 of 21 wins in NY), etc. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer won outside drug-free NY, & won 6 races away from his drug-free home track, & EG only lost by the slimmest of margins in other races to the drug-reliant sunday silence because ss had been given Performance Enhancing Drugs. Alex Harthill admitted he gave ss the powerful performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine, plus ss was given the potent performance enhancing diuretic drug Furosemide/Lasix (6 length performance enhancement at longer, classic distances), etc. During that era, New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs, & as importantly, NY also banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill [arrested an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses). If you want to be a Hall of Fame Champion, you'd better be great in New York. There are over 200 horses in the Hall of Fame & no matter where they were based, 99% of them ran/will run in New York. If you want to be a top colt or champion at 2 & 3, 4, 5 or older, or any age, you'd better be great in NY. New York ran/runs many many many more Prestigious, Championship G1 races than any other state. Easy Goer, Forego, Tom Fool & Ruffian were complete racehorses & all-time great Hall of Fame Champions; so were Man o' War, Kelso, Buckpasser, Native Dancer, etc. King of the Hill, Top of the Heap, A Number One, the True Tests of Champions are in New York, Champions are Crowned & Championships are won on the Championship Tracks in NY - the Test of a Champion, The Handicap Triple Crown, the Fall Championship Triple Crowns, the Filly Triple Crown, etc etc. The Litmus Test of a Champion is running & winning drug-free without any performance enhancing drugs; & during that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill [arrested an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses]. During that era, it was a huge credit to NY [& the rest of the whole world] that the endless amount of their championship G1 races stood as gigantic obstacles to drug-reliant horses like ss; & these horses, like ss & many others, got exposed badly when they were forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races. Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races. Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all. NY by far ran/runs the most Prestigious, Championship G1 races in the USA with the highest purses in the country; NY was & still is the Center & Pinnacle of Racing in the USA; NY was/is by far the best racing circuit in the USA; champions are crowned & championships are won on the Championship Tracks in NY (they are by far the fairest tracks in the USA because they are all larger tracks); & most importantly, there are over 200 horses in the Hall of Fame & no matter where they were based, 99% of them ran/will run in NY. While all 3 major NY tracks are bigger tracks with larger, wider, sweeping turns, Belmont Park was & will always be the Championship Track, as it was/is, by far, the fairest track in the US being the largest with the biggest, widest, sweeping turns where horses run as fast around the bigger turns as they do on straightaways. The best horse almost always wins at Belmont. You don’t have to tip-toe your way around the smaller, tighter, sharp turns on the smaller tracks, you can run at top speed around the bigger turns. The bigger, the wider, the larger the turns, the less bad racing luck. The fewer the turns, the less bad racing luck. Belmont was/is the track where championships were/are decided not by racing luck, but by the horse that won, the best horse. There are no places for horses to hide on the huge track; horses are bare-faced out there on the huge track, & it was/is by far the best testing ground of champions to prove themselves. Belmont was/is the ultimate test because it displays & reveals every strength of authentic, genuine greats, & it exposes every flaw of imposters.
The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer won outside drug-free NY, & won 6 races away from his home track, & EG only lost by the slimmest of margins in other races to the drug-reliant ss who had been given Performance Enhancing Drugs. Clearly, the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer wins these other races had ss not been given all of these performance enhancing drugs, & all been forced to run drug-free w/o any drugs. Forego was 0 for 3 outside NY & FL. The Hall of Fame Champion Ruffian won 0 races outside NY & NJ. The Hall of Fame Champion Zenyatta won 0 races outside California & Arkansas. Many Hall of Fame Champions won all or almost of their races (&/or all or almost all of their major races) in New York, Florida or California, including Forego, Easy Goer, Kelso, Ruffian, Man o' War, Tom Fool, Zenyatta, etc. NAME ALL OF THE RACES SUNDAY SILENCE WON WHEN FORCED TO RUN DRUG-FREE WITHOUT ANY DRUGS. ZERO. Name all of the races ss won when he was forced to run without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. Zero. Name all of the races ss won on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than 8f. ss LOST 4 races on bigger tracks with circumferences larger than 8f.
SigScorpion Sigmund You wrote, "The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs." Well, During that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill. Harthill was arrested, fined & suspended an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses; & Harthill admitted that he illegally gave illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss. During that era, it was a huge credit to NY [& the rest of the whole world] that the endless amount of their championship G1 races stood as gigantic obstacles to drug-reliant horses like ss; & these horses, like ss & many others, got exposed badly when they were forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races. Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races. Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all. Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, SS 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. Easy Goer 14, SS 0 is the legal, moral, ethical score & the only one that counts legally, morally & ethically, & is in the legal, moral, ethical record books. The only records that count & the only ones in the record books are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs, & that is why the legal, moral, ethical score is Easy Goer 14, SS 0. The 3-1 (done ILLEGALLY by the slimmest of margins) means as much or as little as Noor 4, Citation 1; Beau Purple 3, Kelso 1; Alsab 2, Whirlaway 1; Big Spruce 2, Forego 1; Wajima 2, Forego 1; Cabrini Green 4, John Henry 0; Darby Creek Road 3, John Henry 0; Gallant Bloom 4, Shuvee 1; Damascus 2, Dr Fager 2; Akureyri 3, Pleasant Colony 1; Formal Gold 4, Skip Away 2; Billy Kelly 8, Sir Barton 4; Summer Squall 4, Unbridled 2; Bayern 2, California Chrome 1; Star of Cozzene 3, Kotashaan 1; & an endless amount of others. It was all done ILLEGALLY by ss - the illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill of the drug-reliant ss admitted to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss. But Harthill couldn't do so in NY because both himself & all drugs were banned in NY. Harthill was arrested & banned an endless amount of times in numerous states for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses. So the drug-reliant & illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant ss was FORCED to run drug-free with no drugs at all (& without his illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill) only 1 time in one race in his whole career - in which he not only got crushed by the Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer, but ss barely beat Le Voyageur (who never won even one stake race his whole career) because ss was forced to run drug-free in the only state in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs & also banned the illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill. In the Test of the Champion drug-free Belmont Stakes Easy Goer killed ss; like wheat separating from chaff, the cream rose to the top. Easy Goer ran drug-free in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, which banned all performance enhancing drugs; while the drug-reliant & illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. The Litmus Test of a Champion is running & winning drug-free without any performance enhancing drugs; & during that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill. In the drug-free EG's few very slim losses by the narrowest of margins to the drug-reliant ss, ss needed all of his performance enhancing drugs administered to him & still only beat him by the slimmest of margins. Plus, The drug-free Easy Goer won G1 races at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f drug-free with much less time & rest between races & ran many more races at more fluctuating, different distances in faster times with far superior speed figures & performance ratings; while the drug-reliant ss only won G1 races at 9f to 10f with his ped drugs & much more time & rest between races & ran far less races.
And most importantly, Alex Harthill confessed to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Etorphine, Sublimaze, etc) to ss. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was just better than the drug-dependent & illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill-dependent sunday silence. Harthill confessed to DRF's Hovdey of illegally giving illegal ped drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss; but he couldn't do so in the only state (NY) in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal vet Harthill as well. The criminal vet of ss, Alex Harthill, confessed in 2001 to DRF's Jay Hovdey, to illegally administering illegal ped drugs to sunday silence (plus many other horses), including the significantly powerful potent performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol (an extraordinary drug with 2 completely different effects that dramatically & greatly enhance performance & significantly enhance speed, stamina, endurance, lung capacity & energy levels; it greatly aids breathing by significantly expanding the air passages in the lungs letting air flow much more freely, & it causes rapid fat burning significantly decreasing fat; it also has a similar effect on the body as Epinephrine & Amphetamines by increasing the production of Epinephrine & Noradrenaline, & thus significantly enhancing performance: it also thins blood & widens the vessels that carry oxygen, so the volume of oxygen in the blood increases, & thus significantly increases energy, & thus significantly enhances performance), Sublimaze (A Potent Narcotic So powerful that it makes horses feel like they don't even have legs, & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute), & Etorphine (An Opiate 80,000 Times More Powerful than Morphine - So powerful that it also makes horses feel like they don't even have legs, & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute). Besides Harthill admitting it, there is the CERTAINTY of MOUNDS of more evidence regarding Harthill's illegalities. Case closed.
TRAVIS WEST YOU WROTE THAT THERE WERE LINKS... JUST CUT AND PASTE THE LINKS TRAVIS WEST....YOURE GOOD AT CUT AND PASTE
@@sigscorpion9275 POOR POOR SIGMUND, IT'S THE 120% TRUTH. Nothing more real than a voluntary admission. Who's the ventriloquist & who's the dummy puppet? Which one's whole hand is up the other's wazoo? The ventriloquist already found the link (s). Caps lock doesn't help you. You are the best at cut and paste. UA-cam doesn't allow articles to be posted in comments or response comments. Just like New York was the only state in the entire country that banned (did not allow) all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well.
@@sigscorpion9275 POOR POOR SIGMUND, IT'S THE 120% TRUTH. Nothing more real than a voluntary admission. Who's the ventriloquist & who's the dummy puppet? Which one's whole hand is up the other's wazoo? The ventriloquist already found the link (s). Caps lock doesn't help you. You are the best at cut and paste. UA-cam doesn't allow articles to be posted in comments or response comments. Just like New York was the only state in the entire country that banned (did not allow) all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well.
@@traviswest949 THE SCORE STILL STANDS 3 TO 1 IN FAVOR OF SUNDAY SILENCE AND IN THE RECORD BOOKS....FOREVER TRAVIS WEST
Gives me chills every time ❤
A clash of two Hall of Fame champions nose-to-nose cheek-to-cheek! Hall of Fame champions Easy Goer and Sunday Silence - what greatness is all about!
Sigmund sig If the question had been - which horse's wins & accomplishments were done drug-free without any drugs - Easy Goer or Sunday Silence? The answer is Easy Goer. Every person, or most at the least, who was a proponent of drug-free racing without any drugs, would have voted for Easy Goer. Every person, or most at the least, who was an opponent of drug-free racing without any drugs (or didn't care), would have voted for SS. The BIGGEST races horses could win are those that were/are run drug-free without any drugs. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races (& were/are the biggest races). Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races (& were/are the biggest races). Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all. New York was the only state in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Harthill as well. The Litmus Test of a Champion is running & winning drug-free without any performance enhancing drugs, without any drugs; & during that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill [banned, suspended, fined & arrested an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses]. During that era, it was a huge credit to NY [& the rest of the whole world] that the endless amount of their championship G1 races stood as gigantic obstacles to drug-reliant horses like ss; & these horses, like ss & many others, got exposed badly when they were forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races. Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races. Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all.
New York had the most advanced out-of-competition, training & raceday testing. Literally, hundreds of drugs were permitted & legal in every state except NY back then; & this is NOT even counting all of the illegal drugs like the illegal performance enhancing drugs that Harthill (admittedly) administered, the powerful illegal stimulants, narcotics, opioids, opiates, potent diuretics, ergogenic drugs, blood boosters, blood doping drugs, corticosteroids, amphetamines, methylphenidate, ephedrine, noradrenaline, erythropoietin, epinephrine, potent bronchodilators, anabolic steroids, long-acting steroid injections, or drugs that have the same effects as these & many other drugs. New York was not only the only state in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs (& as importantly also banned the illegal criminal vet Harthill as well), NY also was the only state that tested for a vast amount of these & other drugs with a zero tolerance policy - zero amount of any drugs allowed without having to quibble about even trace amounts & concentrations. NY was also the only state in the US that took blood tests of horses during out-of-competition training before, on & after their race days, & a horse was scratched & the trainer fined & suspended if the tests turned up positive of any drugs. You can be damn sure that both EG & SS both ran drug-free without any drugs (& without ss's banned illegal criminal vet Harthill as well) when running in the Belmont in NY because NY was the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal criminal vet Harthill as well. It means Easy Goer had 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, while SS had 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. It means Easy Goer 14, SS 0 drug-free without any drugs; it means EG 1, ss 0 drug-free without any drugs. The 3-1 (done ILLEGALLY [admitted by Harthill] by the slimmest of margins) means as much or as little as Noor 4, Citation 1; Beau Purple 3, Kelso 1; Alsab 2, Whirlaway 1; Big Spruce 2, Forego 1; Wajima 2, Forego 1; Cabrini Green 4, John Henry 0; Darby Creek Road 3, John Henry 0; Gallant Bloom 4, Shuvee 1; Damascus 2, Dr Fager 2; Akureyri 3, Pleasant Colony 1; Formal Gold 4, Skip Away 2; Billy Kelly 8, Sir Barton 4; Summer Squall 4, Unbridled 2; Bayern 2, California Chrome 1; Star of Cozzene 3, Kotashaan 1; & an endless amount of others. It was all done ILLEGALLY by ss by the narrowest of margins - the illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill of the drug-reliant ss admitted to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss. In the Test of the Champion drug-free Belmont Stakes Easy Goer killed ss; like wheat separating from chaff, the cream rose to the top. Easy Goer ran drug-free in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, which banned all performance enhancing drugs; while the drug-reliant & illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all.
"As usual, jockey Pat Day did his Absolute Best to Lose! Day's rides in the Preakness, Whitney, Woodward and Classic {in 1989} were awful and as bad as can be." Pat Day messed up infinitely, utterly and wholly -- Day's infinite incompetence and utter ineptitude indeed was on full display while winning as well. The trainer McGaughey {who also messed up infinitely} and Owner Phipps also both messed up infinitely by being so close to taking the mount {agreeing and admitting to Day's awful riding} from Pat Day after the Preakness, but not doing so then, and by not doing so afterwards.
Show this 2002 DRF Jay Hovdey Alex Harthill article.
@@sigscorpion9275 It is posted and shown on all of the videos numerous times.
@@traviswest949 so post it... i cant find it
@@sigscorpion9275 It is on all of the videos.
Well let's face it the Bald Eagle was a little sharper than the drunk Shug McGauhey...... and as plays out in recent times Churchill Downs & the Kentucky Squad play by their own rules! I don't know if it's still there but I can remember walking into Hardhill's Veterinary establishment across from the Stable Gate at Churchill and looking up and seeing all those throats that were pickled in alcohol with holes through them from being scoped by the modern-day veterinarians now.... when they get a hot yearling at the Keeneland sale some of them poor babies are scoped 20-30 times!!!! Did you ever think about that? So they may need a few drugs to outlast their yearling sale....
For about the last 40 years, I witnessed all the true greats in person- Secretariat, Forego, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Bid and others. Since Spectacular Bid ran about 34-35 years ago, Easy Goer has by far been the greatest horse I have witnessed. Sunday is obviously also up there among them, as is Cigar, John Henry, Ghostzapper, Alysheba, Point Given, Smarty Jones, Skip Away and Holy Bull.
Cigar and JH.. Not that famous because they didn't figure in the Triple, but absolutely awesome horses.
You're only naming American horses
Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela did outride Pat ron franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop start Day. So did McCarron for that matter. So did Pincay, Cordero, Stevens, Bailey etc. McGaughey and Day were both pitiful. McGaughey was and is the most conservative trainer of all-time who rarely trained his horses for speed, no matter how much big-time brilliant speed a horse like Easy
Goer possessed. Pat ron franklin esque Day was the most tentative, passive, conservative, start-stop rider of all-time. Many of Pat Ron Franklin esque Day's rides on Easy Goer, Forty Niner, Seeking the Gold, Sky Classic, Turkoman, Heavenly Prize, Rampage, Timber Country, Menifee, Surfside, Java Gold, etc were Ron Franklin - esque! Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it. Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, inside, outside, back inside, back outside. Better or superior is definitely subjective. Having acknowledged that: Take nothing away from Sunday Silence as he was a great horse, but Easy Goer was a superior, greater, better, stronger and faster horse; Pat Valenzuela and Chris McCarron were better jockeys than Pat Day, a.k.a Pat ron franklin-esque Day; and the master trainer Charlie the Bald Eagle Whittingham was a better trainer than Claude Shug McGaughey. Would have been very interesting and great to see Easy Goer if he was trained and or ridden by Woody Stephens, Allen Jerkens, Bob Baffert, Wayne Lukas, Cordero, Bailey, Pincay, Stevens, Romero, Santos etc.
Best Preakness of all time the DRF describes the race as the one horse not giving a other a step was at the eighth pole loudest I have ever been to the track
You full of crap take your beating. As had a bigger fan club than ss. I am a Nutural. Turfite. Love horse racing in it from late fifties. So I have no sentiments just fair judgement. And I think as was better. 3 out of 4. Says it all
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless
amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head
records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager,
Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song,
Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others.
There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer
destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era
that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against
Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS
won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So
SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins
and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile
one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a
better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their
respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest,
fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F,
9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence
at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday
Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all
timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F.
Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including
Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS
example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was
"better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to
consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the
records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races
certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you
were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it
even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which
is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG
in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better
overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally
subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were
behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including
Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua,
John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many
others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4
by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got
beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by
Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown
winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got
beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by
Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; &
there are an endless amount of other similar examples.
Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much
less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran
mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned
all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between
races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run
in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6
races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks
with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's
record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks,
size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region,
rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being
allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot
be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much
more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine
the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in
can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races.
It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because
other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth
looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is
flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to :
superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded
Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running
times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances,
head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried
& weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open
company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior
campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority &
dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers,
training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run,
track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career
earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications
allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc
etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally
subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors.
Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9
Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing
versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6
Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile
indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also
defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a
good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses
only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to
run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running
times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e)
career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8
million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9
to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older
horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1
stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS
at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 &
a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was
defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career;
& other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying
distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records,
running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns,
durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average
win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight
concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO
Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors
& categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are
factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats,
but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and
had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in
head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more
other than head to heads.
@@traviswest9388 Not in this case, which is clear.
@@traviswest9388 Not in this case.
Doesnt get any better than this. Two colts evenly matched. Can we all agree on that?
Pat Ron Franklin Esque Day said, "I was on the far superior, far better horse in Easy Goer, but we lost a few photos to him by the slimmest of margins totally due to rider errors on my part. I had far more horse than I knew what to do with."
You let him run a bit more, earlier, no?
Show this 2002 DRF Jay Hovdey Alex Harthill article.
@@sigscorpion9275 Sicko psycho troll, it is shown and posted above a million times just for you Travis West, aka sigsc, aka a million other names you use.
@@sigscorpion9275 It is.
He pulled him back to much. Easy could out stamina any horse he raced against in 89. Look at him going away in the belmont. Most horses trip up in the Belmont because of its length. Logic would dictate you don't keep throttling back your horse. He did and it cost easy. Sunday was a great horse. Not saying he wasn't. Easy was thesuperior animal imo.
ANOTHER clueless performance by Pat day aboard one of the most POWERFUL TALENTED horses we have ever seen
Pretty sure the most powerful, talented horse was secretariat by far
@@Kimberlytheresam That's completely subjective. And even Secretariat LOST MANY races to 7 bottom level horses (Herbull, Fleet n Royal, Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light, Master achiever, etc) by a combined 12 lengths while carrying feathery low weights.
you're a troll.lol.
Sigmund sigscorpion I am right here for you & will always be here just for you!
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@@sigscorpion9275 Late? You're early, late, early, late. You are on here 24/7 & 365 days a year morning, afternoon, evening, late night, middle of the night, etc. I'm only here for you.
@@traviswest949 🥰🥰🥰3 TO 1 IS THE EVIDENCE TRAVIS WEST
@@sigscorpion9275 Easy Goer 14, ss 0 is the evidence. EG 1, ss 0 is the evidence. Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, ss 0 wins drug-free without any drugs.
@@traviswest949 TO SAY SOMEONE IS ON DRUGS IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF FLATTERY TRAVIS WEST...😁😁😁
"The use & abuse of drugs disgraced & dishonored the year of Sunday Silence. All should not bestow honors on drug-dependent horses. Even trainer Charlie Whittingham acknowledged his colt's impediments, & didn't run him in the Travers Stakes in view of the fact that he wouldn't have been able to utilize drugs there in New York. Sunday Silence, & many other horses, would never have made it minus drugs. Sunday Silence is a drug-dependent horse. ALL of his races IN 1989, EXCEPT the Belmont Stakes in New York, came with the benefit of various drugs, INCLUDING the diuretic DRUG FUROSEMIDE, which is a performance enhancer in many ways & can flush & mask the presence of many other illegal drugs in drug tests. Sunday Silence required the assistance of drugs to WIN his races, while he sustained a MONUMENTAL LOSS to EASY GOER when he wasn't able to use the drugs. Because of Sunday Silence's advantage of drugs, all call into question his accomplishments as a horse. Sunday Silence, like Sunny's Halo, Spend a Buck, Gate Dancer & Wild Again before him, is a classic, illustrative example of why drugs & racing don't merge, especially at the sport's highest level. After his narrow drug-aided wins in the Kentucky Derby & Preakness, Sunday Silence went to New York in search of winning the Belmont Stakes & the Triple Crown. Because New York doesn't allow horses to run on any drugs -it's the only jurisdiction in America that doesn't-the suspicion was whether he could win without being given the drugs. It was a distressingly captivating matter in question, which served to remove the Triple Crown of the excitement & allure it has always had. Sunday Silence got overwhelmed in the Belmont, finishing a widening 8 lengths behind Easy Goer. Sunday Silence required the assistance of drugs to WIN his races, while he sustained a monumental loss when he wasn't able to use the drugs. Even trainer Charlie Whittingham acknowledged his colt's impediments, & didn't run him in the Travers Stakes in view of the fact that he wouldn't have been able to utilize drugs there in New York. No wonder so many in New York condemn the usage of drugs. Sunday Silence, & many other horses, would never have made it minus drugs. The use & abuse of drugs disgraced & dishonored the year of Sunday Silence. All should not bestow honors on drug-dependent horses." DRF Jan 90 Mike Watchmaker.
I don't know what you are arguing. I never said, nor did GBeret, a win isn't a win, or a win by a nose isn't as significant as winning by a big margin. The original argument was simply reversing only 1 race(yes, it happened to be 1 race with a very narrow margin by a nose). And the fact that Easy Goer(like Cy,Kelso,Skip Away,Forego,Pleasant Colony,John Henry etc) had superior careers . Arguments can play on both sides, I understand that. The reverse Examples would be:Though different ages, Affirmed(like Easy Goer) had a superior career than Slew(like Sunday), but Slew was 2-0(though he won easily in both by open lengths) head to head & was narrowly ranked higher. Same ages, Arts and Letters had a superior career than Majestic Prince, but MP was 2-1 head to head & was ranked far ahead of A&L.
I still think Easy was the better horse. Its almost like he was more interested in looking at Sunday rather than passing him. He did the same thing in the belmont but in that race after the look, he blew on by him. Sunday was also a great horse...do not get me wrong....just have a very special place in my heart for the great Easy Goer.
3-1 record Sunday Silence over Easy Goer. It's not even close. If anything, the logical view is that SS just had a bad day for that SINGLE loss. In any sport where winning is determined by individual performance, 3-1 is unquestionable.
Rich Chyczewski Who's better in any way for both sides is totally subjective. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples.
Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat.
There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
@@DELMARCLUB1 Nice dissertation. They met 4 times Sunday Silence beat him 3 times.Sunday Silence had up close tactical speed and was a monster accelerating on the turn,Easy goer needed to come from a bit off the pace.Who would you rather bet in most horse races on the dirt in N America? SS really was the better horse and proved it 3 times out of 4.Also don't forget SS raced with lasix and at that time was not allowed in Ny so the Belmont race was a bit marred by that lack of medication for SS.
Easy Goer had front running speed (on the lead wire to wire running blazingly fast paces in the Suburban & Champagne) and up close tactical speed (Champagne, Suburban, Gotham, Belmont, Preakness, Travers, Whitney, Jockey Club Gold Cup and many others) and was a monster accelerating on straightaways, larger turns (on tracks larger than a mile) and sharp turns on smaller tracks (as he did in the Swale Stakes). Easy Goer was really the better horse (even though who's better in any way is totally subjective) and proved it. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Plus the fact that Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races
with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career.
Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Easy Goer ran drug-free, SS ran with drugs; SS needed drugs, EG did not need drugs. Easy Goer ran many more races drug-free at more
fluctuating, different distances with much less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more time and rest between races with drugs. There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs.
Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins
and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile 1 full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F,
9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances; Easy Goer ran far superior speed figures drug-free at more fluctuating, different distances with much less time between drug-free races. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you
were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in
general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to
head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir
Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples.
Easy Goer also ran many more drug-free races in a shorter time period with much less time and rest between races, and at more varying distances. SS ran significantly less races with drugs and with much more time and rest between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. SS's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3
races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables
that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses
win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause & effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to :
superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances,
head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior
campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training/trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career
earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing
versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9
to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older
horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying
distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - avg win margin & avg loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Easy Goer had front running speed (on the lead wire to wire running blazingly fast paces in the Suburban & Champagne) and up close tactical speed (Champagne, Suburban, Gotham, Belmont, Preakness, Travers, Whitney, Jockey Club Gold Cup and many others) and was a monster accelerating on straightaways, larger turns (on tracks larger than a mile) and sharp turns on smaller tracks (as he did in the Swale Stakes). Easy Goer was really the better horse (even though who's better in any way is totally subjective) and proved it. SS needed drugs, while Easy Goer did not need any drugs at all. And this is very important, fundamental and essential. Plus the fact that Easy Goer ran far more races than SS in general while drug-free and with much less rest and time between races; EG ran far more totally DRUG-FREE races than SS (with DRUGS & far more rest & time between races) at more fluctuating, different distances with far less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races
with drugs and with much more rest and time in between races, in his much shorter career.
Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Easy Goer ran drug-free, SS ran with drugs; SS needed drugs, EG did not need drugs. Easy Goer ran many more races drug-free at more
fluctuating, different distances with much less time and rest between drug-free races. SS ran far less races with drugs and with much more time and rest between races with drugs. There was the drug-free Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs.
Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins
and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile 1 full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F,
9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances; Easy Goer ran far superior speed figures drug-free at more fluctuating, different distances with much less time between drug-free races. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you
were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in
general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to
head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir
Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples.
Easy Goer also ran many more drug-free races in a shorter time period with much less time and rest between races, and at more varying distances. SS ran significantly less races with drugs and with much more time and rest between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. SS's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3
races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, & cannot be simplified when there are many more factors & variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables
that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses
win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause & effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to :
superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances,
head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior
campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training/trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career
earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs allowed/used, races with no drugs allowed/used, etc etc & many many more.
They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing
versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor
Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9
to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older
horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying
distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - avg win margin & avg loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
Copying and pasting others comments about the True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer is the GREATEST FORM of Flattery. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, when you imitate what others say, it’s the biggest compliment to those people you are imitating and copying and pasting.
I can't help but notice if Sunday Silence hadn't squeezed Eas yGoer into the rail, the later would probably have held on. It's got to have disrupted his rhythm having to think about not crashing into the rail. This is typical ending to such a nose to nose battle - the outer horse has the choice of finding firmer ground out wide or squeezing the opponent on to the rail - whereas the inner horse has no choice of where to go.
Easy Goer squeezed Sunday Silence against Houston's hind quarters..causing Sunday Silence to check and lose momentum at a critical point in the race.Also Pay Day said Easy Goer simply tanked out down the last furlong. It was a fair clean race coming around the last turn..Both had a legit chance to win the race
@@cominatcha6223 Yep. He tanked out because he was intimidated by Sunday Silence. Sunday Silence had a fierce, menacing look with ears pinned. Easy Goer is looking back at him with a concerned look. This is why Easy Goer lost all of their close battles. It also tells you truly who the superior horse was. Easy Goer also made Sunday Silence check before coming into the stretch so he was definitely the superior animal on this day.
Connor Duke Indeed. Easy Goer was a far superior horse. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was a far better horse than the drug-dependent & banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-dependent sunday silence. Easy Goer ran many freakish performances on many different tracks & did it drug-free without any drugs & without the rider using the whip. Between the two horses, EG & SS, the ONLY horse of the 2 who got DRILLED was Sunday Silence when SS was forced to run drug-free without any drugs, & without his banned illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill as well. Nothing will make that go away. Clearly, Sunday Silence was most definitely exposed as a drug-dependent fraud, as he was not only drilled & crushed by Easy Goer when forced to run drug-free w/o any drugs, but ss barely beat the turd claimer Le Voyageur. When ss was given all of his ped drugs he then romped over the turd claimer Le Voyageur in the Louisiana Downs Derby. Nothing will make that go away. SS LOST 4 RACES in his very short career on larger tracks with circumferences bigger than a mile, & 10 of his 14 career races were against a bunch of turds. Easy Goer won on all 3 sized tracks (8f, 9f & 12f sized tracks); sunday silence did NOT. Easy Goer won G1 races drug-free without any drugs at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f with much less time & rest between races at more fluctuating, different distances while carrying & conceding more weight, & ran faster times at all distances, & ran far superior speed figures & performance ratings at all distances, & he ran many more career races. Sunday Silence only won G1 races with performance enhancing drugs at 9f to 10f with much more time & rest between races, & ran far less career races. Nothing will make that go away. Sunday Silence was even afforded the benefit of (a) running with the performance enhancing drugs Lasix (6 length performance enhancement), Clenbuterol, etc., vs Easy Goer, while Easy Goer ran drug-free without any drugs, (b) EG going into the Derby with 13 days rest, with SS going into the Derby with a full months rest, & EG having cracks in BOTH front feet for the Derby & Preakness, as well as EG having a crooked turned-out left knee, a clubfoot, very problematic enlarged ankles & knees, short upright pasterns, & back at the knee, (c) in the Derby EG being cut off badly by Northern Wolf & Dansil, (d) in the Preakness having Valenzuela deviously force EG out 8 or 9 wide to the stables down the backstretch, then EG flew by & passed ss completely legally without shutting him off or cutting him off or forcing him to steady (this is confirmed by the 1989 Belmont Stakes Full Broadcast video showing the head-on video), then having Valenzuela deviously bang & push EG in as tight as can be scraping the dead rail, then having his awful rider turn his head out with the lead right before the wire, not to mention his inferior trainer & inferior rider making glaringly obvious major mistakes for/in many races, (e) EG was prepped in a 12f race for the 10f BC Classic (a longer prep race has the hazardous consequence of dulling natural speed and blunting the speed needed in a shorter race, while generating the horse's stamina at the expense of speed) with only a few weeks time between the 12f race & the 10f BCC, while SS had 6 weeks rest between his final 10f prep for the BCC, & EG suffered a bout of tympanic colic on BC Classic day (Ray Paulick declared this in his book), & Easy Goer still was only narrowly edged in a few races by the slimmest of margins to the performance-enhancing drugs-filled Sunday Silence, because ss was given the ped drugs Lasix & Clenbuterol. Everyone knows that Clenbuterol & Lasix are potent performance enhancing drugs. Performance enhancing drugs are NOT AT ALL grasping at straws. Performance enhancing drugs are NOT AT ALL making excuses. Nothing will make all of this go away.
Secretariat got drilled & Lost Many Big Races to the TURDS Herbull, Master Achiever, Onion, Prove Out, Angle Light & Fleet n Royal by a Combined 11 Lengths while carrying feathery low weights. Citation lost 4 out of 5 times to Noor. Kelso lost 3 out of 4 times to Beau Purple. Forego lost 2 out of 3 times to Big Spruce & Wajima. Dr Fager lost 2 out of 4 times to Damascus by a combined 12 lengths. John Henry lost to Cabrini Green 4 out of 4 times. John Henry lost to Darby Creek Road 3 out of 3 times. Shuvee lost 4 out of 5 times to Gallant Bloom. Skip Away lost 4 out of 6 times to Formal Gold. Sir Barton lost 8 out of 12 times to Billy Kelly. Whirlaway lost 2 out of 3 times to Alsab. California Chrome lost 2 out of 3 times to Bayern, etc etc.
@@benjudah610 Hadn't hard Sunday Silence was om drugs, but will check it out more. All of Secretariat's were due to being entered sick or untrained, crashed at the post in a spring or ridiculous DQ. Without bad racing luck he whipped all comers and ran faster times at nearly all distances than even Easy Goer.
Sunday Silence needed to take a drug, Lasix, to barely beat EasyGoer 3 times. Where the Lasix was banned, EasyGoer wins by 6 lengths at Belmont with the 2nd fastest Belmont Stakes ever. Moreover, the overall winning percentage of EasyGoer (this in more Grade 1 races), along with the mile race where EasyGoer came very close to Dr. Fager's world record, leads to the conclusion that EasyGoer was the better racer.
You need to take your blinkers off after all these years .Easy Goer had the length of the stretch to beat him and he could not do it.The only thing the Belmont proved was that Easy Goer could win on his home track @ a mile and half probably could not beat Sunday Silence @ Belmont mile and quarter
Lasix cost Alysheba the Triple Crown. Belmont in its "backwards" ways banning pretty common anti-bleeding medication is really stupid. I would say Alydar had a better 1 1/2 pedigree than did Halo.
John Householder Lasix didn't cost Alysheba the TC. Chris McCarron's ride did...he admitted it later on.
Herman47 Sunday Silence didn't run on Lasix. Have the charts from his races that said so. Easy Goer never ran on it either.
I don't think Easy Goer could win outside of New York. Sunday Silence didn't have to take the track with him. He posted wins in several states on several tracks.
I remember watching this live and to this day this is the greatest horserace I've ever seen. I just wish Sunday Silence would have finished off the triple crown but Easy Goer was not going to be denied in the Belmont
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@@sigscorpion9275 Why?
IT'S Easy Goer 14 wins drug-free without any drugs, SS 0 wins drug-free without any drugs. Easy Goer 14, SS 0 drug-free without any drugs; EG 1, ss 0 drug-free without any drugs. The 3-1 (done ILLEGALLY [admitted by Harthill] by the slimmest of margins) means as much or as little as Noor 4, Citation 1; Beau Purple 3, Kelso 1; Alsab 2, Whirlaway 1; Big Spruce 2, Forego 1; Wajima 2, Forego 1; Cabrini Green 4, John Henry 0; Darby Creek Road 3, John Henry 0; Gallant Bloom 4, Shuvee 1; Damascus 2, Dr Fager 2; Akureyri 3, Pleasant Colony 1; Formal Gold 4, Skip Away 2; Billy Kelly 8, Sir Barton 4; Summer Squall 4, Unbridled 2; Bayern 2, California Chrome 1; Star of Cozzene 3, Kotashaan 1; & an endless amount of others. It was all done ILLEGALLY by ss by the narrowest of margins - the illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill of the drug-reliant ss admitted to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss. In the Test of the Champion drug-free Belmont Stakes Easy Goer killed ss; like wheat separating from chaff, the cream rose to the top. Easy Goer ran drug-free in the only state in the entire country at the time which banned all drugs, which banned all performance enhancing drugs; while the drug-reliant & illegal criminal vet Alex Harthill-reliant ss got exposed badly & romped when he was forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. The Litmus Test of a Champion is running & winning drug-free without any performance enhancing drugs; & during that era New York was the only state in the entire country that banned all drugs. Plus, as importantly, NY banned the illegal criminal vet of ss Alex Harthill [arrested an endless amount of times for illegally drugging an endless amount of horses]. During that era, it was a huge credit to NY [& the rest of the whole world] that the endless amount of their championship G1 races stood as gigantic obstacles to drug-reliant horses like ss; & these horses, like ss & many others, got exposed badly when they were forced to run drug-free with no-drugs at all. ONLY no-drugs races were/are true championship races. Only no-drugs races could/can be called championship races. Only No-drugs races kept/keep the outcomes crystal clear. No-drugs races are the only true tests of champions. That is integrity, honesty, fair play & complete fairness for all. In the drug-free EG's few very slim losses by the narrowest of margins to the drug-reliant ss, ss needed all of his performance enhancing drugs administered to him & still only beat him by the slimmest of margins. Plus, The drug-free Easy Goer won G1 races at 7f, 1 mile, 9f, 10f & 12f drug-free with much less time & rest between races & ran many more races at more fluctuating, different distances in faster times with far superior speed figures & performance ratings; while the drug-reliant ss only won G1 races at 9f to 10f with his ped drugs & much more time & rest between races & ran far less races.
And most importantly, Alex Harthill confessed to illegally giving illegal performance enhancing drugs (Clenbuterol, Etorphine, Sublimaze, etc) to ss. The True Drug-Free Hall of Fame Champion Easy Goer was just better than the drug-dependent & illegal criminal veterinarian Alex Harthill-dependent sunday silence. Harthill confessed to DRF's Hovdey of illegally giving illegal ped drugs (Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, Etorphine, etc) to ss; but he couldn't do so in the only state (NY) in the whole country at the time which banned all drugs, & as importantly also banned ss's illegal vet Harthill as well. The criminal vet of ss, Alex Harthill, confessed in 2001 to DRF's Jay Hovdey, to illegally administering illegal ped drugs to sunday silence (plus many other horses), including the significantly powerful potent performance enhancing drug Clenbuterol (an extraordinary drug with 2 completely different effects that dramatically & greatly enhance performance & significantly enhance speed, stamina, endurance, lung capacity & energy levels; it greatly aids breathing by significantly expanding the air passages in the lungs letting air flow much more freely, & it causes rapid fat burning significantly decreasing fat; it also has a similar effect on the body as Epinephrine & Amphetamines by increasing the production of Epinephrine & Noradrenaline, & thus significantly enhancing performance: it also thins blood & widens the vessels that carry oxygen, so the volume of oxygen in the blood increases, & thus significantly increases energy, & thus significantly enhances performance), Sublimaze (A Potent Narcotic So powerful that it makes horses feel like they don't even have legs, & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute), & Etorphine (An Opiate 80,000 Times More Powerful than Morphine - So powerful that it also makes horses feel like they don't even have legs, & significantly more powerful than aspirin bute). Besides Harthill admitting it, there is the CERTAINTY of MOUNDS of more evidence regarding Harthill's illegalities. Harthill admitted to administering the illegal ped drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, & Etorphine to ss. Case closed.
Pat Day gave Easy Goer Brutal confusing Trips during Most of Easy Goers Races while the rest of the Horses in all those fields Broke from gate got position and waited to make their move...Pat day broke slow with Easy Goer...Got blocked...Pinched...Shuffled back...Wide...Move horse up...Pull him back...Move him up again...Multiple moves during Races...Never understood this but it was so Glaring to see...Belmont Stakes was an example of The Proper trip to give this Horse and his talent...Sit close right off the Pace and relax...And Pounce when ready...Pat day was either confused on what Trip he should give the horse race to race or he was Spoiled aboard the horse and thought he could do whatever he wanted in the race with the horse...Even in the Classic he broke awkwardly in 6th Position 6 lengths off Sunday Silence...Made move on backstretch to make up 6 lengths sitting right behind Sunday Silence...Waited and Waited while Sunday Silence took off toward the lead...And had to make up 5 more lengths in Mid stretch...Personally i did not think the Preakness was such a bad ride...Problem was he should have kept pushing Easy Goer toward the lead instead of relaxing and letting Sunday Silence get on top of him so quickly...And he was tightly pinned on rail ENTIRE stretch which was a HUGE advantage for his Rival...Easy Goer had all the Talent but also an "Unlucky" Horse in a few Big races which i feel he was the 'Better" Horses during those narrow Losses at the Wire...Should NEVER have lost the Classic as the Heavy 1-2 Favorite...Closing to Lose by a "Neck" at the Wire aboard the 1-2 Favorite is Unforgivable...Easy Goer kicked in too late and absolutely FLEW by Sunday Silence right after the Wire...Personally watching that race it was also obvious that Easy Goer was Sluggish throughout Most of Race...Probably the Grueling campaign before that Classic...His Rival was extremely Fresh coming into the Classic and was also given what Chris McCarron called "My greatest ride of my Career" as he claimed he "Stole" the Race from Easy Goer
Show this 2002 DRF Jay Hovdey Alex Harthill article ..
@@sigscorpion9275 it is shown and posted above a billion times you sick psycho troll!!
Clenbuterol has been LEGALIZED A LONG LONG LONG TIME AGO as well! Clenbuterol also became as popular, influential & LEGAL in every state except NY, just like Furosemide. In fact, the combination of the incredibly effective performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol & Lasix became the biggest hops.
Certainly was one of the greatest races ever because it was between two of the greatest horses of all-time. "Remarkable stretch duel; they were generosity personified as they battled; these two extraordinary horses gave everything they had!"
"Better" for both cases or either side is totally subjective. "Better" in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY LIMITED number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses. Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples.
Easy Goer ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region,
rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other
variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat.
There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors.
Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e)
career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a
superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
You can be damn sure that people & publications who saw Hovdey's article & wrote about it DID mention this & other facts. Why did they only focus on Harthill's illegal use of the diuretic Furosemide to ND & Harthill's introduction & illegal use of Clenbuterol in the 80's? Perhaps, because these 2 drugs became the most widely used, most popular, most influential LEGAL (BOTH) drugs, among numerous other drugs, used. In the Voss 2020 article titled, "When It Comes To Lasix & Federal Legislation, Horse Racing Has Been Here Before," Voss states, "Controversial vet Alex Harthill ADMITTED to using furosemide on Fear A Bit, a runner on the undercard of the 74 Kentucky Derby , at about 2 p.m. on race day. The horse ran significantly better than he had in his past several starts & officials wanted to know why." That's incorrect & also 10 years after Harthill admitted to Hovdey that he gave the illegal drug to ND. Why didn't Voss & her publications mention that Harthill said he gave the illegal drug to ND in the actual Derby in 64 a FULL 10 yrs prior to an UNKNOWN horse who only ran in an undercard race? Did Voss & her publication NOT want to denigrate the famous ND (& his trainer), & so instead only mentioned an unknown horse who ran in an undercard race a full 10 years later? And no mention of the top horses Harthill treated in the actual 74 Derby itself. Did Voss NOT want to denigrate the top horses (& trainers) who ran in the 74 Derby? By the same token, Harthill also admitted he gave the same illegal drug Furosemide to other top horses Proud Clarion, Kauai King, Lucky Debonair, Majestic Prince, Forward Pass & Master Derby. Why didn't Voss & others mention these other top horses? Perhaps, Voss didn't want to denigrate these other top horses & trainers? Perhaps, because Furosemide became so popular, influential & legal in every state except NY? Perhaps, because ND was the most famous, or the illegal doping scheme? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey that he gave illegal amphetamine & stimulant drugs to Decidedly, Iron Liege & Tim Tam. Perhaps, the publications didn't want to denigrate these other top horses & trainers? By the same token, Harthill admitted to Hovdey of illegally giving SS the illegal performance enhancing drugs Clenbuterol, Sublimaze & Etorphine. Harthill also admitted to Hovdey that he gave the same illegal ped drugs to other horses Ferdinand, Spend a Buck, Wild Again, Alysheba, Skywalker, Unbridled, Gate Dancer, Sunny's Halo, Gato Del Sol, Deputed Testamony, Lil E Tee, & Black Tie Affair. Why did other articles only mention that Harthill introduced Clenbuterol (& mentioned Sublimaze also) in the ‘80s, & trainers who knew (or used) Harthill benefited greatly, with no mention of any of the horses? Why did other articles mention Sublimaze & a test for it only starting in 1979 (but from 79 to 95, the only state that banned it & all other drugs was NY)? Perhaps, they also did not want to denigrate SS & these other horses/trainers? Perhaps, because Clenbuterol became so popular, influential & LEGAL in every state except NY. Why doesn't every publication (or even a few) mention this about all of these horses? Perhaps, some of these people want to portray that Furosemide, Clenbuterol, Sublimaze, etc., are just fine & no big deal, & they don't want to tell the truth & expose this stuff about a sport & industry that employs them. When the racing writer Bill Nack exposed facts about fatal injuries & the use of both legal & illegal drugs, calling both "appalling & unacceptable by any humane standard", many in racing not only turned against Nack as a result, they despised him for it; & Nack's exposure of these facts were NOT cited by every publication, or even a few publications. Perhaps many despise Hovdey & many others for exposing this or parts of it, & others do not want to tell the truth & expose this stuff about a sport & industry that employs them.
"Easy Goer met and fulfilled those dreams and expectations embodied in his powerful chestnut frame, and he authored an unforgettable Hall of Fame championship career, and he is mentioned in the same breath with the GREATEST of ALL TIME." Tom LaMarra. "Easy Goer and Sunday Silence were inches apart but miles ahead of their contemporaries. In the absence of either, each probably would have been a dominant Triple Crown winner with only history as a benchmark. Instead, each proved each others greatness." Daily Racing Form.
so post it... i cant find it
I will repeat the specifics. ONLY? ONLY? Who said only? I said and have repeated this: SS was ranked slightly ahead of Easy Goer Mostly (Mainly, Largely) because of the head to head record Specifically in the Biggest races. There are obviously plenty of Other factors as I have noted. Some of these are, Easy Goer's career accomplishments and body of work were superior to SS. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 GI wins, ran some of the most impressive races in history at many distances, fastest mile of all time by a 3 yr old in 1:32.2, just one fifth off Dr Fager's world record, second fastest Belmont Stakes of all time, ran amidst the fastest editions of many time honored, revered, historic races in the 9F Whitney, 10f Travers, 10F Suburban, 12F Belmont, 8F Gotham, 8F Champagne, 7F Swale, 6.5F at age 2 etc, beat older horses 3 times as a 3 yr old (4 times if you count the BCC, 2 of them while conceding weight), superiority & dominance in many races, etc. SS lost only 1 less race, but ran 6 less races than EG. Easy Goer & SS had about the same earning, but SS had a huge $1 million dollar VISA bonus included in his earnings, while EG had no bonuses in his earnings. Your "other factors." Easy Goer's winning % was better than SS's even with running 6 more total races. Easy Goer "won more races", won more "major stakes besides the biggest stakes", and "achieved a better winning %." SS lost 9 of 14, didn't run enough (as you also have said before), almost half of his races (6 of 14) were Not run in GI races, won only 3 other total career GI's, beat older horses ONCE in a wt for age race as a 3 yr old. Pleasant Colony did EXACTLY what SS did (won 2/3 of TC & ONE big wt for age race, won 6 total GI races), though SS's overall record was slightly better (9 of 14 vs 6 of 14). Without running against EG, I would rank SS slightly ahead of Pleasant Colony (not a top one hundred horse) IMO. PC (nor any other horse) should NOT be penalized b/c there was no BCC for him to wait around & run in at the end of the year (nor should or any other horse be rewarded). Without facing SS, IMO EG still did more than No. 36 Gallant Man, No. 38 Challedon, No. 40 Busher, No. 53 Sword Dancer, No. 58 Slew O Gold, No. 67 Arts & Letters, and many other horses on the list.
Winning The TC & in more recent years BCC are among the biggest factors in BH rankings? Well no horse has won the TC in over 37 years, so that is not "recent." As for some of the horses who won the TC, Omaha, Sir Barton, Assault, Whirlaway & Gallant Fox are not that highly ranked, considering they all won the TC. As for some of the more "recent" horses who won 2/3 of the TC: Tabasco Cat, Hansel, Thunder Gulch, Swale, Risen Star, Pleasant Colony, Alysheba (No. 42, but he lost 7 of 10 races at age 3, his rankings are largely due to his 4 yr old campaign), Silver Charm (No. 63, but he also had a full campaign as an older horse), Real Quiet, Little Current, Bold Forbes, Canonero, Forward Pass, Kaui King & Charismatic are not that highly ranked (most NOT ranked at all). I don't believe War Emblem, Funny Cide, Big Brown, Afleet Alex, or I'll Have Another would have made the top one hundred either (had they run in the 20th century). Possibly Smarty Jones & Point Given would have made it if they had run in the 20th century, but they didn't run enough IMO. As for the BCC, 19 of 30 BCC winners did NOT win HOY and/or a year end award in the years they won it. As for the 2 other BCC winners to be "ranked" in the BH, I think Both Cigar & Skip Away did plenty enough in their careers to be "ranked" by BH, with or without their one BCC win each.