62 - Is GOD who we imagine God to be? NDE research may SURPRISE you!
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- Never in history, until now, have we been able to hear from so many people around the world who have been brought back from clinical death. Modern medical resuscitation and digital communication have revealed a goldmine of intriguing near-death experiences (NDEs) that show us the character of God and the beauty of Heaven. John Burke has spent the last three decades studying the commonalities of more than 1000 NDEs. John Burke is the author of Imagine the God of Heaven, Imagine Heaven, No Perfect People Allowed, Soul Revolution, and Unshockable Love. He and his wife, Kathy are founders of Gateway Church in Austin, Texas, John is also the president of Gateway Leadership Initiative (GLI), a nonprofit organization. As an international speaker, John has addressed hundreds of thousands of people in thirty countries on topics of leadership and spiritual growth. He and his family live in Austin, Texas.
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On “BEYOND with Heather Tesch” on UA-cam we talk with people who have died and come back with incredible stories of what they saw and experienced. We answer questions like: What Happens when you die? What can we learn from people who've died and came back? Are our deceased loved ones okay? Do pets go to Heaven? Listen as guests share their amazing Near Death Experiences (NDE) that include life reviews, God, Heaven, love, light, angels, passed loved ones, reincarnation, the cosmos, galaxies, life on other planets, our purpose, religion, judgement, good, evil, hell, future events, and so much more on “BEYOND with Heather Tesch”.
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The more I am listening to this, the more I am becoming convinced that my experiences during silent meditation is not just fantacies and tricks of my mind.
I think people can have some very profound real experiences during meditation. I had a few interesting ones when I used to meditate regularly. But that was 20 years ago.
Great guest. It's delightful to see someone come to the truth through an open mind. A modicum of skepticism is necessary in any rigorous research. Truth can withstand skepticism, but does not reward uncritical skepticism, which is just an excuse for effortless and convenient doubt.
Steve I know that you have seen the comments from people that quote scripture and then follow up with a cold statement about our destiny. There is no warmth, no love. What those people don't realize is that they aren't encouraging people to want to learn more. Rather they are turning people off. I realize there is no engaging with that person so I just thank them for their comment. What I love about John is that he makes us want to learn more.
@@Beyond_with_Heather_Tesch Spirituality by rote is not true spirituality regardless of the words spoken. Spirituality is a matter of the heart which naturally spreads to influence every aspect of our lives. While it is a learning process and we don't begin at the end but at the beginning, the willingness to learn and open ourselves to new ideas is a fundamental and necessary component of a true spiritual life. A close-minded approach to spirituality is an attempt to stay in one place and believe we have nothing further to learn. In the final analysis it's a form of ego-assertion. The contrast between that approach and the honest open-mindedness of John is clear.
Nicely said.
I think he makes such a great point in saying that all NDE's are just a glimpse in what actually happens when we die. Someone once explained that an NDE is like arriving at an airport. Some of us arrive at different gates and have a different view of the city, but it's not the same as leaving the airport and actually experiencing the city and living there.
Yes! I always say each NDE gives us a piece of the puzzle but it’s a big puzzle so most is still unknown. Still, I love getting the puzzle pieces.
@@Beyond_with_Heather_Tesch Yes, same here! Thank you for doing all of these great interviews :)
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You are so welcome Holly. Thanks for taking the time to watch my videos. I appreciate you being here.
The tunnels are transitions of focus within the person's consciousness. That's why those experiences are unique. In this world, we explore realilty with our exterior senses. On the other side, we travel within.
Thanks for the info Bory.
I hear some of the NDE people say hell is the void. Bit I love how he breaks it down very well.❤
I am glad you enjoyed John. 😊
Fascinating! I love that his research has spans across religions but the key learning of love remains constant. I look forward to hearing more, especially about the diversity of the NDEers that were part of his research.
I really enjoyed talking with John and getting his perspective. I'm glad you appreciated him as well. His second and third episodes are equally compelling and we focus on different things.
Made it through. I enjoyed the commonalities brought to light and the feelings of overwhelming love which I try to practice as much as possible, but in such a decisive world we share, I have trouble in expressing love to those outside of my beliefs that wish to condemn and take way my rights to live and love. I’ll stay away from politics and stick to love. I just have a hard time loving people that wish to take away my rights. I will say when I perform “gratitude” meditation I do feel much love of God. I enjoyed this interview and have book marked part 2
I get it Trey. It can be really hard to love some people, especially people who have hurt us, are rude to us, or want to take away our rights. And we won't be successful all the time. One way that makes it easier for me with some people is when I am around them I look at it as a way to "practice my patience". Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. I think the key is to keep trying. Best wishes, and thanks for the effort.
@@Beyond_with_Heather_Tesch thanks for that perspective..practice makes perfect..well almost
Facinating interview! John articulated his thoughts on NDE's SO well, and Heather you asked every question that I found myself wondering along the way. Great job to both of you!
Theresa I am so glad you enjoyed hearing from John. He really does a great job conveying his research in such an interesting way. I am so glad my questions resonated with you. Thank you so much for your kind words. I really appreciate it!
@@Beyond_with_Heather_Tesch I'm binge watching your other episodes now 😀. Wishing you and your channel abundance & success!
Awesome. I am so glad to hear that. They are all so great! You’ll have to let me know your thoughts as you watch each one. They are similar in some aspects but also so very different.
Love one another ❤
Indeed!! That is the big takeaway from all of my guests!
I listen to your podcasts with an open mind and heart however I have never experienced a NDE. My name is Teena and I have always had these types of ideas and thoughts.
Hello again Teena. You are among the fortunate.
I feel a kinship with John, coming from an agnostic and scientific background, and then to an unexpected faith. I learned about the NDE experiences after becoming a Baha'i. I was fascinated by how the NDE experiences fit beautifully with the Baha'i understanding of life beyond the veil of "death". John's understanding of hell also fits with the Baha'i view of heaven being nearness to God, and hell being separation from God.
It's also interesting that most, if not all, NDE's don't encourage people to join a particular religion when they return. The emphasis is on treating one another with love, the same as Jesus or other Founders of the great world religions have told us. Religions have all deteriorated over time when their leaders began focusing on, and arguing about, what their "true" beliefs are, or how to practice the faith. To love one another becomes secondary. NDE experiences appear to give us the agency to investigate and choose our religion, if any.
Thank you @harlanlang6556 you said this so well. I think that some people are so compelled to convince people to believe what they believe that they forget the LOVE part. I really like John's approach and message. He isn't telling people what they have to believe. He is telling them what they believe.
I like all your videos but the three with John are my favorites because of the research he did and the more analytical approach. Please have more guests on like this.
I am glad you enjoyed John. He was really interesting. Thanks for the suggestion.
This one was hard to watch but necessary and I made it to the end again.
Immense gratitude for every episode ❤
Thank you for your appreciation. I am grateful to have you as a viewer.
Love your cat getting a cameo.
Ha ha. Me too! He is an attention hog.
looked like a dark spirit for a minute.
yeah, he's great heather. you're doing a great job, and i love the podcast style of your videos - i don't even have to watch, just listen.
all good things, iano.
I appreciate that Iano! I am like you in that I like to listen to podcasts. I often play them while doing chores or driving. Thanks as always for watching!
Awesome interview❤ this is great stuff❤ tying it all together❤ so fascinating❤
Hi Jules! I really enjoyed interviewing John. He has a great mix of open mindedness and faith. He does such a nice job of presenting his findings. There are two more interviews coming up with him. You'll have to let me know what you think about those as well.
Best guest so far, to me. It is so intriguing the variety of stories. Like this guest said, what they see is based upon their world view or spirituality. I know someone who had one of these NDEs. He said, he heard someone running up to him, he turned and it was Jesus. It makes me break up at that possibility that Jesus would do that. As the Bible says, Jesus would have come and died for just one of us. Hard to conceive of being that type of special.
I'm so happy to hear how much you enjoyed John. I also really loved talking with him. I have heard others say similar things - they felt they were the only one God or Jesus loved (yet they knew everyone else would feel this way too). It is hard to conceptualize that kind of love but so lovely to imagine! Thanks for your thoughts!
One of the best podcasts ever shown on UA-cam. Thank you!
Wow, thank you! That is so kind of you to say Jim!! I really appreciate it!
That was the fastest 35 minutes I've seen in a long time.
Isn't John interesting?! I love how he combines his Christian faith with an openness to learn about near death experiences. Two more episodes to come from him that are equally great.
@@Beyond_with_Heather_Tesch I'm so glad there are two more episodes with John. While I love hearing people's NDE's, researchers seem to bring their own unique contribution to the conversation. "Blessed are those who have not seen, yet have believed."
All three episodes are great and we discuss a big variety of things. Two is focused more on Heaven and three on God. But there are lots of other topics and questions woven in between.
Love both of you ❤❤❤
Thank you for your interview Jacob, it was great. Just knowing there are people like you out there is comforting in and of itself.
Jacob - back at you! Thanks so much for being so supportive. You have have such a wonderful podcast too. So for my listeners, here is where you can check out Jacob and his great guests: www.youtube.com/@thewisdomofjacobsladder
Thanks for sharing I really like the eway he broke it down and using the word rd of God Amen ❤
John did do a really great job and he has so much more to say in the second and third episode. I really enjoyed listening to him.
Great interview Heather and John. So my question I have in your research did you find that NDE’s felt that they were on the same playing level in Heaven/afterlife or was there a hierarchy maybe based on enlightenment? Secondly were they able to experience with others from all of eternity or limited to their life experience on Earth? Thanks
I can't speak for John and I don't have the answers but I can share my thoughts having listened to so many NDEs. There does seem to be various levels of complexity in the afterlife. In fact my upcoming guest Eben Alexander talks somewhat about this. For your second question, since there is no time in Heaven I assume we can intermingle with the soul of anyone from anytime. I guess we will find out someday. Make sure to come say hello to me. 😉
I've often wondered how the consensus data looks to a researcher. I hope in the next interview, or perhaps in a follow up, some sort of data can be put alongside. This could be either in a google doc or a downloadable pdf that shows some percentages of shared experiences. If possible perhaps it could include the major differences between experiences that seem to overshadow one another. How many NDE experiencers had experiences that conformed to their beliefs vs experiences that completely contrasted their beliefs etc.
Thanks for your input. John does state statistics as well as share personal examples during the course of three episodes. He did not share a document of statistics with me. I have his newest book in the audio version so I am not sure if his book has anything like that or not but I am certain he does discuss those numbers in his book. You may try reaching out to him. On his website he lists this contact email: JohnBurke.info@gmail.com
Thank you Heather and as always your episodes are amazing. Thank you also for the reply! @@Beyond_with_Heather_Tesch
I've read hundreds of NDE's and my feeling is that most experiencers were surprised, pleasantly, by what they experienced. There's not a lot of information in the Bible or other Holy Books about what to expect, except that many Christians are afraid they're going to hell because they feel that they haven't lived up to what God expected of them.
@@BrianTaylor-AlwaysInTao You are welcome. I am so glad you are enjoying the podcast.
@@harlanlang6556 it certainly is incredible to hear about all of the love so many encounter even when not expecting it.
I'm so perplexed by the "hellish" 👿 experiences that some people say they have, during their NDE...it makes no logical sense to me !?? 😕🤔🤨🧐
Cheryl I find that they are confusing too because I’ve heard yes there is Hell, no there isn’t, it’s more of a place to rehabilitate, we create it ourselves, it’s temporary,and so on. So I plan to investigate this more in 2024. In the mean time I discuss it a bit with John Burke in his next two episodes and Eben Alexander (who is the next guest) gives his thoughts on Hell and has some interesting things to say about evil that made a lot of sense to me.
I think part of the reason it's confusing is because we can't know what is just and what isn't. We look at some people and hope there's a heaven, and look at others and hope there's a hell. Did you ever read Howard Storm's story? He had a hellish NDE and at the nadir of that experience he understood that though it was tragic he was where he belonged, but he had a spark of faith that saved him and turned his experience around. His experience may have been brief (though he said it seemed like days), but what if that spark takes differing amounts of time to manifest? The beings he encountered in his experience didn't seem in a hurry to change, and Howard said he understood that they were once human beings who had the same characteristics while on Earth. I think if someone is attracted to that energy and all it represents, they'll practically create it themselves if it's not provided for them (maybe they do just that), but I don't think it's a punishment as much as a lesson. If free will has any value, the consequences of free will must have as broad of a spectrum as that implies. I read a book that said those in hell don't know there's a way out, but there is. In fact part of their 'punishment' if you will is that very ignorance, nevertheless, there is an end to their suffering.
What specifically is illogical as you see it? I think it's worth exploring. I think if we break it down into specifics it might be easier to identify what might and might not be understandable.
Howard Storm's book is wonderful! I've read it a few times. I am hoping I can have him as a guest in 2024.
@@stevew1487 Well, I guess for me, I'm just trying understand how a place like "hell " (eternal punishing) could ever be helpful or good news!?
Plus, I question why an ALL loving, ALL wise being would create such a place to begin with!? Why not a heavenly "hospital" instead!??
I think Christianity is a great religion but I don't buy the exclusivity they claim. I think God is the God of all humanity. I think he accepts us as we are.
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Does Christianity claim exclusivity or is it just (some) Christians?
@stevew1487 My experience is if I make a statement that I see God as the God of humanity, I get bombarded by Fundamentalist Christians telling me I need to accept Jesus or I'm headed to hell. They don't necessarily represent all of Christianity, but they get pretty intense. I was raised Catholic, and I was told as a kid in Sunday school that if I went to any other church, I was going to hell. So that is what gives me the impression that Christians claim exclusivity.
@@sampleowner6677 Most of them certainly do, so I understand your impression. Still the tenets of any religion aren't dependent on any individual or collective interpretation per se, as those are filtered through various cultural and individual biases and no matter how widespread they may still be in error. That's why my opinion is one should consult the source material of any religion and then form your own opinion about it independent of any other interpretation, no matter how authoritative, insistent, or intolerant the alternative interpretation might be. I mean, it's YOUR soul!
@stevew1487 I think most religions, in some form or fashion, claim exclusivity. Their holy books may not say it, but the people who claim the religion as their own see anyone who doesn't believe as they do as having been lead astray and are headed for some sort of eternal damnation. So, the Christians don't have a monopoly on exclusivity. I do believe there is a God, but I see him as the God of all humanity. I always ask the fundamentalists who badger me if they think all the Jews, Muslims and Hindus are going to hell and they will either not answer the question or answer yes. They need their asbestos suit. I'm more of a thiest. As I said, I believe in God, but the details are a bit fuzzy to me.
I have talked to, interviewed, researched and studied hundreds of NDE testimonies. Generally they do NOT coincide with the bible. In my opinion this researcher is TRYING to make the bible fit more than it does. Heather Tesch actually has a better non judgmental perspective than John Burke does. Also, there is NO HELL. That is a fear based man made thing, NOT of my loving God. 😇
What's your opinion of hellish NDE's?
Hi Jamie. Thank you so much for your input. I appreciate it.
One thing I love about doing this podcast is hearing the various perspectives. Not all researchers and NDErs reach the same conclusions about the afterlife but I think it is great to hear them all as we put together our own picture of what to expect next. John is doing his research from a Christian perspective. I really enjoyed talking with him. He was very gracious as he shared his views and what I really liked about him is that he Is open minded about his beliefs and willing to look deeper into things that may not be in the bible. You'll find that in the next two episodes. He also is very nonjudgemental of others and is simply sharing the conclusions he has come to. We won't all agree on everything when it comes to our beliefs but we still can often learn from people who have views that are different than ours. Thanks so much for reaching out with your comment and also for taking time to watch my podcast. I appreciate you being here.