could you imagine if a series like this existed for a decade, with Penny giving his 2 cents on everything and challenging people... we'd probably be in a better world.
Actually bill i'd like to apologise to you right now. I was quick to comment without viewing the thread that this is about. A couple of months ago i watched a youtube video with rimbaud and my opinion of him changed dramatically. As for what you say about him i don't know enough about the subject but i'd like to. Can you private message on here??
Penny speaks with an authority that does partially come from his upbringing and education, he has an insight that comes from having been close to the beast. I get frustrated at regular people contributing to their own slavery but you can only help people so much. If they aren't willing to see the wood for the trees at this stage, god help them.
It makes no difference who's voted in we are still ruled by international bankers , its time to take back our central banks from these parasitic psychopaths once and for all.
I have enough , a house, a life , I now work as a carer , best job I've ever had , so much love. The mega rich dont give a shit about anyone and havent a clue about life.
I've worked for various capitalists over the years and always thought they were stupid, base, unlikeable human beings. I now work for the NHS helping other people and it's much more fulfilling than making some complete arsehole rich. Who gives a fuck if someone has a big house, motor, telly etc. Only consume what you need👍
Anarchy doesn’t mean living by no rules, it’s derived from the Greek word “An” ..to be without and “Archon” a ruler or master. . Not possible? Think it through and come to your own conclusion, bearing in mind that with freedom comes responsibility for our own actions in this equation.
@Macavity TL;DR By providing goods and/or services others want. The idea that the rich gotten rich off the back of the poor is a rather jealous and extremely limited view. ---- To take a rather obvious example that also at least decently controversial. Jeff Bezos. He got rich by founding a company selling books online and grew that. The reason he is rich now because people want loads of products cheaply, without leaving the house, get it as soon as possible and preferably buy it in one place; and he owns the company that does exactly that as well as manages and carries the risk and there are very few other companies that do exactly that, making the value high. That's why people *freely* give him their money. But I hear you thinking "he pays his employees like shit", yes he does. At least the ground floor staff, but he can. As what he looks are people with no education, no work, low skill, full functioning body and no real prospects to do the tasks he wants done within his company. And guess what, there are shitloads of those people making them real cheap as such people are easy to replace. These people, how awful it might sound, have very low value to society. He needs the people that are bottom of the barrel when it comes to hireability. If these people were rare he'd needed to compete with other companies to maintain employees otherwise they'd go work at McDonalds or some other low-skill, no-education job. But this isn't the case. These people more than likely either be unemployed or work in a similarly poor or worse job. Of course there is a moral argument to make but that doesn't change the economic value of these people. So to proclaim the rich got rich off the poor's back is to both ignore why people are *freely* (an important term) giving them their money and ignore the economic reality of why the poor are what they are. Often little to no education (or a completely useless one), with no skills and no real economic prospects.
My dad and many others used to say that nobody owes you a living, how wrong they were. Until there’s an alternative way to live without having to subjugate yourself to a system that requires you to be a commodity and a means of creating wealth for others then they do owe you a living because there isn’t an alternative.
Yeah, that's man made though... The men woman and kids l lived with 'squatting' in an old loggers camp, did things for the gd of everybody... Try that with Capitalists! Once you realise this is all by design, you'll start to see anything gained for the poor in the 1800s has been eroded, not to the workers benefit either... the games rigged. You were warned in the 80s... one day, you won't be able to eat your money!
If only this type of show replaced just one of the caronation street slots, maybe a few young souls might get to having their minds opened or activated - thank god for the internet cos 40 yrs ago, my mind was lucky that a guy at schools'older brother was chucking out his frank zappa & supertramp cassettes ! ( he'd gone punk so we both won !! ) love from the new forest
@@Boilingfrogg brexit is a complete disaster, my ex a fish merchant voted leave and he was expanding his business constantly before Brexit, even during covid lockdown he was doing great, January happened and he cannot afford to export the fish his boat is catching he can’t afford to buy fish from other waters, why do you see Brexit as ok? My rent went up by 30% but benefit went up by only 0.25% how is that ok?
The thing with this is that most people will just ignore it even though penny and mike wipe the floor with most of the robots in the audience. With so many people, even intelligent people it's all this "work hard" bullshit. I'm not disrespecting anyone who does work hard but most people really don't question why they do it. Would love to know where mike is now.
I think the vast majority of people that claim the "work hard" mentality to be true are people that aren't remotely rich or have no clue how they actually became rich or otherwise trained to replace someone else. People become rich by giving value to others and working hard is certainly involved in that if you are at the top but that's secondary. People like the cite Jeff Bezos as having "unearned" wealth, yet he created an amazing service selling books online to people, later pretty much any product in an incredibly short time span without leaving the comfort of their own homes. That's an amazing thing in and of itself. The amount of people living of, essentially, hereditary wealth is easily the lowest it has been in human history yet loads of people pretend like every ultra wealthy person became so due to some machination they didn't create themselves.
@@relo999 Well yes exactly. Like Penny says to the business guy in this video, people like him may be millionaires but the people who work for them are not making anywhere near the same amount of money. That is a point about Jeff Bezos but the fact of the matter is he treats his workers like shit and lets face it, amazon arent a very ethical company are they? Dont get me wrong, i do use it myself but they avoid tax and they have actually stolen money from me in the past. When you talk about "self made billionaires" who are really no such thing, Donald Trump is a perfect example.
@@napalmslayer Not exactly, it ignores quite a bit to make such an argument and I'd say Penny is wrong in that aspect. Amazon treats most of it's employee's above their worth, not below it. (mainly due to minimum wage laws which they themselves are big proponents of, though the reasoning behind it is questionable) Because realistically someone taping a box shut has little value to others as their job can done by robots, pretty much everybody that can rub 2 braincells together and a half decently healthy body can do it. Because one thing market economic is amazing at, especially on the job market, it assessing the value to society (or in the case of product to the individual). And sure from a sheer empathetical point of view such a system is awful, and that's arguably the point where people like Penny come from, but realistically some people have great value to wider society while others have barely any. Arguing that people with great value should fund those with little to none is like a quest for mediocrity. Of course there things to criticize Amazon for like arguing in favour of higher minimum wage while automating their own workforce and thus making it harder for smaller companies that don't have the funds to automate to compete. Or having both access to data of their platform and selling on their own platform making that they have an unfair competitive advantage over their competition, one they love to abuse. And as for inherited wealth, Trump is an amazing example of that. As literally would have been richer if he just put his inheritance in the bank and gain intrest, rather than what he did and invest in real-estate. That's the thing about inherited wealth, it's lost in the span of a few generations sometimes even in just one. (also I've yet to hear anyone argue Trump is a self made millionaire, because he isn't) There is a good reason why families that owned a palace a century ago don't anymore (and if they do present it as a museum and use the proceeds to maintain the palace). It's because generational wealth loses value quickly, living a rich lifestyle is expensive, more often than not it also gets divided between multiple children and it's very rare that a child can be equal to or be better than the initial money maker (and in case of multiple children that inherit a company it's even rarer). For that same reason I doubt Trump's grandchildren will be anything more than generic upper-middle to upper class unless they themselves or their parents can properly invest their inherited wealth. Certainly no where near Donald, let alone Fred Trump levels of wealth. (And that's all still assuming the inheritance won't be donated, which is quite common these days for the ultra rich to do)
@@relo999 Well i personally think Penny is completely right to the point where that Andy guy is clearly unable to argue against his points. Your point about being an amazon worker is a mute one, it does not matter how easy the job is, no one deserves to be treated like they are a lesser human being because of what they do. The thing is, dont you find it fucked up that certain human beings are considered to be more valuable than others? There is no reason whatsoever that Amazon should not be paying tax, if they did they could be helping other people. I have heard supporters of Trump argue that he is a self made millionaire, but most people know that he comes from a rich family.
@@napalmslayer I'm not arguing about if a job is hard or easy that's doesn't factor into it at all, I'm saying that the value of a person is equal to their value to society as a whole. Taping boxes shut can be really hard work physically and be very taxing on the body, however everybody and their mom can do it. And because of that it's not a particularly valuable to society. And I don't care for if some people are valued more than others. That's the practical reality of the world, and my feelings don't change that. I think nobody bats an eye when someone says that a brain surgeon is more valuable to society than paperboy. By that same reasoning a person setting up a service that makes billions of people's lives a bit better is worth more to society than someone taping boxes shut. And unless everything in a humans life is fully automated in a sort of star trek future that reality will not change (And even if it was it's doubtful, as people like handmade stuff and human services). The thing is, can you with a straight face say that everybody has an equal value to society? Or do you have some way of making everybody equally valuable to society? Make the paperboy as valuable to society as the brain surgeon. "There is no reason whatsoever that Amazon should not be paying tax" Except there is. As the extra money they have allows them to invest into their growth which brings more value to peoples lives by bringing their service to more people or bringing a higher quality service to the existing consumer base which in turn allows them to hire more people. All of which makes peoples lives better and all on voluntary basis. Where will it go if they payed tax? A bunch of bureaucrats and their pet projects that only can exist by the monopoly on violence of the government, maybe some roads and waterways, the military and to a bunch of people that have a negative value to wider society. Sure they'd be helping people, but they'd at least partially support to maintain a drain on society and non of it will be done on voluntary basis. I'd say they provide a better value to society as a whole not paying tax than when they do. One is all positives while the other is a mixed bag. And I'm fully aware it's not nice to say, from an empathetical point it's awful. But a gazelle is a pray animal of a lion, they aren't equal. Reality and nice aren't always the same thing no matter how much anyone wants it to be.
He should have done more of this kind of thing when Crass were going, because ultimately they achieved nothing, which he admits himself in his autobiography. They were preaching to the converted, and nobody who had zero interest in second wave punk would listen to them or their opinions. But if he'd done more of this then who knows, anything is possible.
Sorry, but that's nonsense, regardless of what penny thinks in hindsight. CRASS fundamentally changed my life, and I've been organizing shows and events, playing in bands, touring, meeting like-minded people all over the world and organizing as an anarchist outside of the punk sphere as well for almost a quarter century, as a direct result of picking up a copy of "feeding of the 5000".
lazlo jamf Changing a few individuals is one thing, they changed me in many ways, but I wasn't talking about people joining bands, making music and going to anarchist meetings. That was happening before Crass, it happened during and it will continue happening. I was referring to the fact that ultimately they changed nothing. The world is even worse now than when they were going. In fact a lot of what they were complaining about back in the day now seems quaint. Besides, I was merely pointing out what he himself said in his book, it's not like I'm pointing out anything radical here, just a fact. Sadly they just became a T-shirt, and a lead singer doing "Greatest Hits" tours to fat, bald middle aged punks. Ugh.
SteveRes to say that crass had no effect outside the converted is complete nonsense. I'm in my mid-40s and did not discover crass until 1996 after the internet came around. They were the first band that ever forced me to question every single thing I encountered including questioning them. Their music has absolutely affected not just the way I think but the way I vote for the last 20 years.
Preaching to the converted? Rubbish, Crass, inspired, enthused and informed thousands of people, myself included, their influence was vast. He was doing this then via all of Crass's work.
That bloke has bought all his gear on the open market, how he puts it together is his choice. So he doesn't wear Tokyo Laundry or Super Dry, like all the other munchkins... big deal.
for yearz ive wanted to redye my hair n cut it crazzy like. but i keep stoppin myself cuz I plan on Gettin a Job one of these days. hmm i coulda had Mike hair all along cuz im still outa work. damn
I was a young punk in the late seventies and saw crass live and sadly it was a terrible band with some great ideas unlike the clash Etc who were Gr8 live but completely sold out sadly and bands like Gong Here and Now Hawkwind were saying the same thing but were way better at the free festivals back in the good times before the nightmare Armageddon times me brethren
I was a young punk in the 70,s,since then I have probably seen over a thousand bands easily, from little DIY bands to arena bands but the best gigs were the 5 crass gigs I went to
5:00 Well, here is the thing about Jeremy, not “Penny” (because that is what his mother and father named him). You see, he’s only half correct. And it’s always the same thing with all these other various political camps that comprise the left, whether anarchist, or syndicalist, or socialist, or whatever. They will tell you that a majority of the wealth is in the hands and under the tight control of a tiny elite, namely banksters and corporations. And they are 110% spot-on. They’re right, it is. Absolutely. But they’ll never, ever admit who exactly those people are. The majority of them all belong to a particular group of people who shall remain nameless, for fear of having my comment deleted and my profile banned. And here’s the thing, once you actually follow the money trail - which, by the way, is not at all hard to do - once you actually look at who exactly owns all these entities, which are entirely globalised, there is no way you can’t not acknowledge the pattern. And it’s not as if they lack pattern recognition. They are astute enough to notice the problem, but then they deliberately shut off their ability to think once certain uncomfortable truths reveal themselves. And it’s all out of crippling fear of being perceived as a “bigot”. If I were to tell you that the world’s wealth was being controlled by a handful of greedy criminals, you might call me a leftist. But if I told you who exactly most of those criminals are, you would call me a “fascist”.
could you imagine if a series like this existed for a decade, with Penny giving his 2 cents on everything and challenging people... we'd probably be in a better world.
The Rich won't let it happen
I fucking love this so much! Penny and that Punk Kid wins this debate by miles!
@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse image saying that to every right-wing, simpleton who voted conservative! 😊
Penny Rimbaud clever man
SILLYBILLY BILLYSILLY nonce? really what happened
this is a very very very intelligent comment
@@mummyd1990 Are you referring to the young boy he admittedly nonced when he was at Lindisfarne School in Ruabon? Yes, it does appear to be a fact.
@@mummyd1990 i guess it's all in your name bill
Actually bill i'd like to apologise to you right now. I was quick to comment without viewing the thread that this is about. A couple of months ago i watched a youtube video with rimbaud and my opinion of him changed dramatically. As for what you say about him i don't know enough about the subject but i'd like to. Can you private message on here??
Penny speaks with an authority that does partially come from his upbringing and education, he has an insight that comes from having been close to the beast. I get frustrated at regular people contributing to their own slavery but you can only help people so much. If they aren't willing to see the wood for the trees at this stage, god help them.
It makes no difference who's voted in we are still ruled by international bankers , its time to take back our central banks from these parasitic psychopaths once and for all.
lol, that word 'authority' 🤦
'speaks with intelligence'
I have enough , a house, a life , I now work as a carer , best job I've ever had , so much love. The mega rich dont give a shit about anyone and havent a clue about life.
Imagine living in a manor though
@@outis439-A too much space for 2 people and the grandkids every other weekend
@@patthewoodboy I like you.❤️❤️❤️❤️
I've worked for various capitalists over the years and always thought they were stupid, base, unlikeable human beings.
I now work for the NHS helping other people and it's much more fulfilling than making some complete arsehole rich.
Who gives a fuck if someone has a big house, motor, telly etc. Only consume what you need👍
A follow up .. I have been forced to resign from a job I love , no jab , no job ...
the bit about privilege that begins at 2:05
spot on. incredible quote.
Anarchy doesn’t mean living by no rules, it’s derived from the Greek word “An” ..to be without and “Archon” a ruler or master. . Not possible? Think it through and come to your own conclusion, bearing in mind that with freedom comes responsibility for our own actions in this equation.
The rich have ever only become rich off the withered backs of the poor.
Not really though.
@Macavity TL;DR
By providing goods and/or services others want. The idea that the rich gotten rich off the back of the poor is a rather jealous and extremely limited view.
----
To take a rather obvious example that also at least decently controversial. Jeff Bezos. He got rich by founding a company selling books online and grew that. The reason he is rich now because people want loads of products cheaply, without leaving the house, get it as soon as possible and preferably buy it in one place; and he owns the company that does exactly that as well as manages and carries the risk and there are very few other companies that do exactly that, making the value high. That's why people *freely* give him their money.
But I hear you thinking "he pays his employees like shit", yes he does. At least the ground floor staff, but he can. As what he looks are people with no education, no work, low skill, full functioning body and no real prospects to do the tasks he wants done within his company. And guess what, there are shitloads of those people making them real cheap as such people are easy to replace. These people, how awful it might sound, have very low value to society. He needs the people that are bottom of the barrel when it comes to hireability. If these people were rare he'd needed to compete with other companies to maintain employees otherwise they'd go work at McDonalds or some other low-skill, no-education job. But this isn't the case.
These people more than likely either be unemployed or work in a similarly poor or worse job.
Of course there is a moral argument to make but that doesn't change the economic value of these people.
So to proclaim the rich got rich off the poor's back is to both ignore why people are *freely* (an important term) giving them their money and ignore the economic reality of why the poor are what they are. Often little to no education (or a completely useless one), with no skills and no real economic prospects.
BLOODY REVOLUTIONS
CRASS.
True then True now!
My dad and many others used to say that nobody owes you a living, how wrong they were. Until there’s an alternative way to live without having to subjugate yourself to a system that requires you to be a commodity and a means of creating wealth for others then they do owe you a living because there isn’t an alternative.
Yeah, that's man made though...
The men woman and kids l lived with 'squatting' in an old loggers camp, did things for the gd of everybody...
Try that with Capitalists!
Once you realise this is all by design, you'll start to see anything gained for the poor in the 1800s has been eroded, not to the workers benefit either... the games rigged.
You were warned in the 80s... one day, you won't be able to eat your money!
Great man, great band... Genuine rebellion if a little naive back then
If only this type of show replaced just one of the caronation street slots, maybe a few young souls might get to having their minds opened or activated - thank god for the internet cos 40 yrs ago, my mind was lucky that a guy at schools'older brother was chucking out his frank zappa & supertramp cassettes ! ( he'd gone punk so we both won !! ) love from the new forest
Nothing wrong with frank zappa👍🏻
I used to think Terry Christian was a vacuous simpleton but he's like Plato compared to most of today's media presenters
Terry Christian=wanker
That’s a bit mancunianist mate! Are you friends with Robert Newman by any chance?!
@@twitchygiraffe4636 I'm from down south :)
He can't handle brexit tho. Showing his true colours on morning show.
@@Boilingfrogg brexit is a complete disaster, my ex a fish merchant voted leave and he was expanding his business constantly before Brexit, even during covid lockdown he was doing great, January happened and he cannot afford to export the fish his boat is catching he can’t afford to buy fish from other waters, why do you see Brexit as ok?
My rent went up by 30% but benefit went up by only 0.25% how is that ok?
“There is no Authority but Yourself”
Nice one penny!!
things have got worse since this was shown
mickslyness things have gotten much worse
Much much much worse!
I adore Penny Rimbaud
3 quarters of the world are starving....the rest are dead......
Do they owe us a living?
even if "they" did I don't want "their" charity. If "they" would only bugger off then I'll be able to make my own way.
The thing with this is that most people will just ignore it even though penny and mike wipe the floor with most of the robots in the audience. With so many people, even intelligent people it's all this "work hard" bullshit. I'm not disrespecting anyone who does work hard but most people really don't question why they do it. Would love to know where mike is now.
I think the vast majority of people that claim the "work hard" mentality to be true are people that aren't remotely rich or have no clue how they actually became rich or otherwise trained to replace someone else. People become rich by giving value to others and working hard is certainly involved in that if you are at the top but that's secondary.
People like the cite Jeff Bezos as having "unearned" wealth, yet he created an amazing service selling books online to people, later pretty much any product in an incredibly short time span without leaving the comfort of their own homes. That's an amazing thing in and of itself. The amount of people living of, essentially, hereditary wealth is easily the lowest it has been in human history yet loads of people pretend like every ultra wealthy person became so due to some machination they didn't create themselves.
@@relo999 Well yes exactly. Like Penny says to the business guy in this video, people like him may be millionaires but the people who work for them are not making anywhere near the same amount of money. That is a point about Jeff Bezos but the fact of the matter is he treats his workers like shit and lets face it, amazon arent a very ethical company are they? Dont get me wrong, i do use it myself but they avoid tax and they have actually stolen money from me in the past. When you talk about "self made billionaires" who are really no such thing, Donald Trump is a perfect example.
@@napalmslayer Not exactly, it ignores quite a bit to make such an argument and I'd say Penny is wrong in that aspect. Amazon treats most of it's employee's above their worth, not below it. (mainly due to minimum wage laws which they themselves are big proponents of, though the reasoning behind it is questionable) Because realistically someone taping a box shut has little value to others as their job can done by robots, pretty much everybody that can rub 2 braincells together and a half decently healthy body can do it. Because one thing market economic is amazing at, especially on the job market, it assessing the value to society (or in the case of product to the individual).
And sure from a sheer empathetical point of view such a system is awful, and that's arguably the point where people like Penny come from, but realistically some people have great value to wider society while others have barely any. Arguing that people with great value should fund those with little to none is like a quest for mediocrity.
Of course there things to criticize Amazon for like arguing in favour of higher minimum wage while automating their own workforce and thus making it harder for smaller companies that don't have the funds to automate to compete. Or having both access to data of their platform and selling on their own platform making that they have an unfair competitive advantage over their competition, one they love to abuse.
And as for inherited wealth, Trump is an amazing example of that. As literally would have been richer if he just put his inheritance in the bank and gain intrest, rather than what he did and invest in real-estate. That's the thing about inherited wealth, it's lost in the span of a few generations sometimes even in just one.
(also I've yet to hear anyone argue Trump is a self made millionaire, because he isn't)
There is a good reason why families that owned a palace a century ago don't anymore (and if they do present it as a museum and use the proceeds to maintain the palace). It's because generational wealth loses value quickly, living a rich lifestyle is expensive, more often than not it also gets divided between multiple children and it's very rare that a child can be equal to or be better than the initial money maker (and in case of multiple children that inherit a company it's even rarer).
For that same reason I doubt Trump's grandchildren will be anything more than generic upper-middle to upper class unless they themselves or their parents can properly invest their inherited wealth. Certainly no where near Donald, let alone Fred Trump levels of wealth. (And that's all still assuming the inheritance won't be donated, which is quite common these days for the ultra rich to do)
@@relo999 Well i personally think Penny is completely right to the point where that Andy guy is clearly unable to argue against his points. Your point about being an amazon worker is a mute one, it does not matter how easy the job is, no one deserves to be treated like they are a lesser human being because of what they do. The thing is, dont you find it fucked up that certain human beings are considered to be more valuable than others? There is no reason whatsoever that Amazon should not be paying tax, if they did they could be helping other people. I have heard supporters of Trump argue that he is a self made millionaire, but most people know that he comes from a rich family.
@@napalmslayer I'm not arguing about if a job is hard or easy that's doesn't factor into it at all, I'm saying that the value of a person is equal to their value to society as a whole. Taping boxes shut can be really hard work physically and be very taxing on the body, however everybody and their mom can do it. And because of that it's not a particularly valuable to society.
And I don't care for if some people are valued more than others. That's the practical reality of the world, and my feelings don't change that. I think nobody bats an eye when someone says that a brain surgeon is more valuable to society than paperboy. By that same reasoning a person setting up a service that makes billions of people's lives a bit better is worth more to society than someone taping boxes shut.
And unless everything in a humans life is fully automated in a sort of star trek future that reality will not change (And even if it was it's doubtful, as people like handmade stuff and human services).
The thing is, can you with a straight face say that everybody has an equal value to society? Or do you have some way of making everybody equally valuable to society? Make the paperboy as valuable to society as the brain surgeon.
"There is no reason whatsoever that Amazon should not be paying tax"
Except there is. As the extra money they have allows them to invest into their growth which brings more value to peoples lives by bringing their service to more people or bringing a higher quality service to the existing consumer base which in turn allows them to hire more people. All of which makes peoples lives better and all on voluntary basis.
Where will it go if they payed tax? A bunch of bureaucrats and their pet projects that only can exist by the monopoly on violence of the government, maybe some roads and waterways, the military and to a bunch of people that have a negative value to wider society. Sure they'd be helping people, but they'd at least partially support to maintain a drain on society and non of it will be done on voluntary basis. I'd say they provide a better value to society as a whole not paying tax than when they do. One is all positives while the other is a mixed bag.
And I'm fully aware it's not nice to say, from an empathetical point it's awful. But a gazelle is a pray animal of a lion, they aren't equal. Reality and nice aren't always the same thing no matter how much anyone wants it to be.
luv penny
Penny drops the penny ! ✌️✌️
Actually ITV but nice vid, thanks....
Most people are very insane and most people who seem insane to them are not insane.
What year was this? I dont remember this TV show?
Terry Christian cool dude
Used to like Terry Christian on shows like The Wright Stuff,where he represented a good left-wing viewpoint(often a lone voice).
I wonder if this kid knows who Penny Rimbaud is?
One minute warning, great.
H.M.
This the Brit Phil Donahue
He should have done more of this kind of thing when Crass were going, because ultimately they achieved nothing, which he admits himself in his autobiography. They were preaching to the converted, and nobody who had zero interest in second wave punk would listen to them or their opinions. But if he'd done more of this then who knows, anything is possible.
Sorry, but that's nonsense, regardless of what penny thinks in hindsight. CRASS fundamentally changed my life, and I've been organizing shows and events, playing in bands, touring, meeting like-minded people all over the world and organizing as an anarchist outside of the punk sphere as well for almost a quarter century, as a direct result of picking up a copy of "feeding of the 5000".
me too.... I wouldn't be making music and thinking for myself if it wasn't for the ideas and attitude that crass gave us .
lazlo jamf
Changing a few individuals is one thing, they changed me in many ways, but I wasn't talking about people joining bands, making music and going to anarchist meetings. That was happening before Crass, it happened during and it will continue happening. I was referring to the fact that ultimately they changed nothing. The world is even worse now than when they were going. In fact a lot of what they were complaining about back in the day now seems quaint. Besides, I was merely pointing out what he himself said in his book, it's not like I'm pointing out anything radical here, just a fact. Sadly they just became a T-shirt, and a lead singer doing "Greatest Hits" tours to fat, bald middle aged punks. Ugh.
SteveRes to say that crass had no effect outside the converted is complete nonsense. I'm in my mid-40s and did not discover crass until 1996 after the internet came around. They were the first band that ever forced me to question every single thing I encountered including questioning them. Their music has absolutely affected not just the way I think but the way I vote for the last 20 years.
Preaching to the converted? Rubbish, Crass, inspired, enthused and informed thousands of people, myself included, their influence was vast. He was doing this then via all of Crass's work.
Funny mate.
That bloke has bought all his gear on the open market, how he puts it together is his choice. So he doesn't wear Tokyo Laundry or Super Dry, like all the other munchkins... big deal.
for yearz ive wanted to redye my hair n cut it crazzy like. but i keep stoppin myself cuz I plan on Gettin a Job one of these days.
hmm i coulda had Mike hair all along cuz im still outa work. damn
I was a young punk in the late seventies and saw crass live and sadly it was a terrible band with some great ideas unlike the clash Etc who were Gr8 live but completely sold out sadly and bands like Gong Here and Now Hawkwind were saying the same thing but were way better at the free festivals back in the good times before the nightmare Armageddon times me brethren
I was a young punk in the 70,s,since then I have probably seen over a thousand bands easily, from little DIY bands to arena bands but the best gigs were the 5 crass gigs I went to
Saw crass in 81 thay were awesome. The clash turned into the who.
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Well, here is the thing about Jeremy, not “Penny” (because that is what his mother and father named him). You see, he’s only half correct. And it’s always the same thing with all these other various political camps that comprise the left, whether anarchist, or syndicalist, or socialist, or whatever. They will tell you that a majority of the wealth is in the hands and under the tight control of a tiny elite, namely banksters and corporations. And they are 110% spot-on. They’re right, it is. Absolutely. But they’ll never, ever admit who exactly those people are. The majority of them all belong to a particular group of people who shall remain nameless, for fear of having my comment deleted and my profile banned.
And here’s the thing, once you actually follow the money trail - which, by the way, is not at all hard to do - once you actually look at who exactly owns all these entities, which are entirely globalised, there is no way you can’t not acknowledge the pattern. And it’s not as if they lack pattern recognition. They are astute enough to notice the problem, but then they deliberately shut off their ability to think once certain uncomfortable truths reveal themselves. And it’s all out of crippling fear of being perceived as a “bigot”.
If I were to tell you that the world’s wealth was being controlled by a handful of greedy criminals, you might call me a leftist. But if I told you who exactly most of those criminals are, you would call me a “fascist”.
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