Started frost this season, But im really struggling to get numbers like yours or even to beat some other classes in any key, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. My raid dps as frost seems really solid. So i suppose its the aoe rotation i need practice on. Anyway, thank you very much for the videos!
It's Lurern's Instant Winter's Chill - Snowflake Edition. You can find direct link in his last guide video or get it yourself (look for this one "Oct 23rd 2024 [11.0.5 - The War Within]")
hey @manather, could you please advise AoE rotation on broodtwister Ovi'Nax ? For the hatchlings I am note sure if I should use glacial spike - only Frozen Orb, Blizzard, Comet Storm and Ice Lance - can you advise ? In one of your videos you said that above ~10 targets we should not use GS
hey thanks for the video! I installed your all in one weakaura, but it doesn't include your cast timeline. I installed it seperately but it doesn't look like the one you have in this video, yours looks much nicer - would you be able to share that wa too?
Thanks giga good gameplay as always. How come you re not 3k+ rio already, you don't play much MM+ ? Also, can you tell us more about when you decide to use spymaster please ? Hope you keep showing us different 13+ keys
@@AI_DANSIU still Frost is very average for non organised groups, Fire is in the dumpster and let's not speak about the Arcane dream, or rather nightmare rn.
Do we still ignore fof in st with this chain reaction build ? Feels like u are sending them sonetimes. And also use il on 2nd wc charge and not spam fb for fishing. Thanks for your content man keep it up
We just play like standard frost anywhere but full ST in raid essentially. So as I'm in m+ with these talents, I prio gs > ice lance > frostbolt like usual
He's probably just simply pressing it more. If he presses it the global after sft resets it, then that means that he gets more orbs, potentially not munching orbs.
yea out of the 3 frost just doing the same or more dmg then arcane to me and when CDs are down I don't feel as bad as arcane. Makes the 12s am finishing a lot easier.
@@cuddleslol I'd use it with lust. If you ever have over 35 stacks its a use situation (unless lust very soon). I also use over like 20 with a mega pull on coc.
I'm really enjoying this Frost. However, they changed to worse probably the funniest arcane ever, really sad about it, wasn't necessary. And they buff a lot of classes and mages might feel a little bit undertuning next week.
Some updates to SS specifically has it better to just save every flurry for GS unless you run out of ice lances, I haven't double checked that as you can see I sometimes hold flurry for quite a bit, but following it here anyway.
Is frost better then arcane? Or are you just OP? I love how arcane feels but the down time is so bad like no dmg and all these 1 button melee classes do 3m dmg every pull pls blizzard 😭😭😭
dunno how that other guy is 2.9k score doing 1.5m overall lol, arcane can do just as much as the other specs while also being the best at boss dmg/prio dmg
@@Manather mastery scaling, double stack of excess procs to avoid wasting, 2% haste like how mastery was changed sometime ago, more damage on excess procs to close the gap in AOE, would you say this could close the gap?
I started playing mage again coz of you ... thank you for the inspiration ^^
Love your gameplay and commentary @Manather, learned a lot from you :)
Thanks a lot 😊😊
Frost mage best mage
Is the brewmaster your brother or smth? I cant tell your voices apart I swear 🤣
yep
@@Manather Idea: 20k UA-cam sub celebration- Brothers AMA video
Started frost this season, But im really struggling to get numbers like yours or even to beat some other classes in any key, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. My raid dps as frost seems really solid. So i suppose its the aoe rotation i need practice on. Anyway, thank you very much for the videos!
Manather, always ty for your video!! and do you think now Frost is better then Arcane in M+ and raid ST??
The WA in the middle of your screen tracking your next ice lans procs, how do i get that ?
He has all his WAs in the comment. Just import his entire WA suite and delete whichever auras you dont need
It's Lurern's Instant Winter's Chill - Snowflake Edition. You can find direct link in his last guide video or get it yourself (look for this one "Oct 23rd 2024 [11.0.5 - The War Within]")
thats winter chill
Hey so i found that you have a shatter guide dated 10 months ago is that how frost still works! Kinda new here on frost mechanic!
It'd be good if you really want to understand the background of our mechanics
big gamer dude! Can you please do a SS arcane (mists) POV for comparing? try to learn it currently after patch
there were a few instances you decided to launch unshattered GS, may i know why? say at 5:32 for instance
depressing to cast 10 spells when its up, even when its the move. Have to remind myself theres light at the end of the tunnel.
He canceled the GS for some reason but he pressed flurry -> GS wich means it did shatter
How's it unshattered? GS into Flurry is the usual shatter combo. So it was the correct play as far as I can tell.
hey @manather, could you please advise AoE rotation on broodtwister Ovi'Nax ? For the hatchlings I am note sure if I should use glacial spike - only Frozen Orb, Blizzard, Comet Storm and Ice Lance - can you advise ? In one of your videos you said that above ~10 targets we should not use GS
Could you put a weakaura or something to show us every single keys u press to see your combos
Theres one over the details meter
hey thanks for the video! I installed your all in one weakaura, but it doesn't include your cast timeline.
I installed it seperately but it doesn't look like the one you have in this video, yours looks much nicer - would you be able to share that wa too?
Thats just a details plugin, should be able to see it when you open their plugin page through details settings in game.
@@Manather oh, I found it! thank you!
Thanks giga good gameplay as always. How come you re not 3k+ rio already, you don't play much MM+ ? Also, can you tell us more about when you decide to use spymaster please ? Hope you keep showing us different 13+ keys
Now i understand why we dont get buffs... Manather is the problem
But we just did last week?
@@AI_DANSIU still Frost is very average for non organised groups, Fire is in the dumpster and let's not speak about the Arcane dream, or rather nightmare rn.
Is this talent build good for low-mid keys?
Yes
Do you have a profile import for your bartender?!
Do we still ignore fof in st with this chain reaction build ? Feels like u are sending them sonetimes. And also use il on 2nd wc charge and not spam fb for fishing.
Thanks for your content man keep it up
We just play like standard frost anywhere but full ST in raid essentially. So as I'm in m+ with these talents, I prio gs > ice lance > frostbolt like usual
@@Manather Do you prio GS over FOF ice lances even if you cant shatter GS?
@@ninetails6920 no
hey @Manather , just wondering where can i find that WA that shows your frozen orb ticks and the X ammount of refreshes? thanks!
wago.io/gO_8GIa8o
@@Manather Thanks buddy :)
What kind of Frozen Orb macro are you using?
would frostfire do better or worse in m+?
worse
We play SS into everything
Worse, SS should be significantly better. If mobs are dying very fast though you might have FF outpace it.
i'm wondering why your orb damage is so crazy every time. in your last video it was #1 in front of ice lance. my output looks way different
He's probably just simply pressing it more. If he presses it the global after sft resets it, then that means that he gets more orbs, potentially not munching orbs.
@@Taytorthot i'm running 24% crit and he 21% and i got like 36% crits on frozen orb overall while he has 47% at the end. Can you explain? Luck?
When do you take frostbite vs 2 points in wintertide vs 1 point in frozen touch ?
personal preference mainly, I'd never take 2 wintertide points though
@@Manather so im guessing frostbite just adds to the big pad dungeons. but doesnt really change your playstyle
@@SanctumRubis yep
yea out of the 3 frost just doing the same or more dmg then arcane to me and when CDs are down I don't feel as bad as arcane. Makes the 12s am finishing a lot easier.
Authority of Radiant Power or Authority of the Depths ?
radiant power for m+ or aoe, depths for raid/st
Quick question, do we wanna gs when ever we can shatter both in ST and aoe?
yes, though in AOE you'd prio spells like blizz/orb/cms over casting it (not over ensuring shattering it)
When can we get a commentary on your keys? Easier for beginners like me to learn via commentary.
Did some pre-.5 (aoe is pretty similar now) and I'll do some more soon hopefully.
wait are we still spamming lances on AoE and not frostbolt?
never were spamming frostbolt indiscriminately in aoe, we also dont for lance
@@Manather sry I meant the 4 frostbolts in start of AoE, which the guide mentions to get the stacks
@@eliasdsdf I didnt choose that talent this run so no need to do that
I did 3 mill overall on Ingra as death's chill Frost Fire. It was just an 11 though.
Yeah DC pretty sick for that boss. Losing my spymasters and 10% int buff by dying on the pack before was not ideal.
Another question hehe. Is it better to use stacked spymasters with lust eg on pull of m+ boss, or save for last cd usage on boss?
@@cuddleslol I used it on first intermission with Lust. Pot usually isn't back up unfortunately.
@@Manather Yeah I hate dying with spymasters. It feels so bad.
@@cuddleslol I'd use it with lust. If you ever have over 35 stacks its a use situation (unless lust very soon). I also use over like 20 with a mega pull on coc.
I'm really enjoying this Frost.
However, they changed to worse probably the funniest arcane ever, really sad about it, wasn't necessary.
And they buff a lot of classes and mages might feel a little bit undertuning next week.
Yeah compared to meta classes like sham enh, DK frost or rog assa our mage feels baaaad
I thought FF was better because SS had a bug with splinter generation and orbs? Was that patched?
Oct 24th hotfix mentions fixing it for frost.
Yes, confirmed
How come you have so much vers on gear is that a decent stat for Frost?
since they mega buffed splinters, yes, because it scales better with them than mastery does (dumb thing for blizzard to do)
@@Manather yeah okay so i lack vers alot now worth recrafting gear stats ;-)
@@Tacochips100 I'd sim it, wasnt worth for me really, but crafting my ring haste/vers was good for arcane/frost so I just did that.
I see you are prioritizing FoF over brainfreeze despite what the prio list said for AoE, has it changed?
Some updates to SS specifically has it better to just save every flurry for GS unless you run out of ice lances, I haven't double checked that as you can see I sometimes hold flurry for quite a bit, but following it here anyway.
@@Manather Just checking on that, do you mean it's changed a bit since your 0.5 vid?
@@cuddleslol Yes, but its primarily that (and loosening the coc conditions to not need to cms before it if you just orbed and cms is on cd)
Is frost better then arcane? Or are you just OP? I love how arcane feels but the down time is so bad like no dmg and all these 1 button melee classes do 3m dmg every pull pls blizzard 😭😭😭
Frost is just infinitely better for keys arcane just does nothing after your nut imo
@@andresribas1060 it really depends on the dungeon imo. both arcane and fire fucking crank if the right player.
@@andresribas1060that means he is a nut?
@@andresribas1060 ya but arcane just feels better IMO
dunno how that other guy is 2.9k score doing 1.5m overall lol, arcane can do just as much as the other specs while also being the best at boss dmg/prio dmg
So we can all agree arcane is useless now?
Frostfire competitive in st but not aoe?
Honestly, just make frostfire stuff scale with mastery and slightly increase their damage
Not competitive anywhere really, except when mobs die insta. Scaling with mastery would help a bit.
@@Manather mastery scaling, double stack of excess procs to avoid wasting, 2% haste like how mastery was changed sometime ago, more damage on excess procs to close the gap in AOE, would you say this could close the gap?
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