Woodynic Yeah, I might unsub after his recent harangue against Christianity. He actually called the Old Testament blasphemous and said he speaks for God. I left a few comments, but I couldn’t watch all the video rants. I overlooked his goofy religious beliefs because his regular content is pretty funny, but he’s really losing the plot.
Man, i can't find a single Orthodox Church online (Antiochan official website, Greek Orthodox in America) that actually supports the Correct Genesis interpretation of Father Rose and Jay... Is it one of those things where the layity believe as Rose (and the Fathers did) does but not the Patriarchs? We are Big Time Young Earther folk and this would be a HUGE sticking point for us. And if the ROC was hardcore "Holy Fathers Genesis" i think i might join. Any help from some of y'all... Thanks guys
Genesis, Creation and Early Man was a game changer for me. Seems to me that once you understand Genesis from the traditional patristic Orthodox perspective everything else falls into place. I used to reflect on how close God felt when I could just accept that both the drama of the Garden , Golgotha and our own lives are only separated by a a few thousand years and not millions. Oh, and the St. Symeon the New Theologian book "The First Created Man" has been a staple on my bookshelf for years. It's awesome. Thanks for all this Jay. Thanks for teaching a no nonsense patristic view of Genesis.
@creationist creationist man, I just saw another video by orthodox father in a Canadian monastery who bluntly said " evolution is a fact, its well proven science". How is the orthodox church not hammering these guys?
Reading without memorising opposite verses as the most important and then secondly followed by comparison will not engrave HIS DIVINE SUPERNATURAL WORDS ON OUR HEARTS/MINDS did you know Hebrew word for learn used in Deuteronomy is literally engrave as on stone/ our hearts being as hard as stone in resisting DIVINE SUPERNATURAL TRUTH EZEKIEL 20/15 is example of the opposite NOT bring you into land flowing with milk and honey
I made my scientist friend super mad because I said religion and most science is faith based. Basically it takes the same amount of faith to believe that in the begining something came from nothing like( big bang) as the belief that a being created heaven and earth. Boy, was she mad. My reasoning is that the majority of people cant or dont have the time to conduct these experiments so they just take their word for it and hope that these experts are honest.
You know what I like? When you listen to many lectures you hear the words ‘this is a big subject which we haven’t got time to delve into tonight...’ not Jay, he takes as many hours as it takes to ‘delve into the topic.’ Nice one dude big respect
I am reading the Bible (Old and New Testament/s) published in 1925 by The Holy Synod Of The Bulgarian Orthodox Church. It is a challenge to read this approx. 1400 page Holy Book, but the positives of reading it surpass the difficulties I am experiencing trying to understand it. Thank you Jay for making things clearer, you are helping us a lot! God Bless
@@Beat2ThaPhonk that's awesome. Seems like you stumbled upon a treasure. I've been looking for something like that online but have failed to come anywhere close. I own the 2008 Orthodox Study Bible published by Thomas Nelson. That said, any recommendations by anyone who reads this comment would be greatly appreciated
I love this! I wish I could join the part 2 for paid subs but I am really poor. But I am still thankful for your work Jay! God bless you! Much appreciation from the Philippines!
Thank you for this Jay, very excited to watch this series grow. Also in reference to my superchat Fr Dcn Ezra is a Deacon in an Antiochian Church in Oklahoma City. In the lecture series Orthodoxy 101 he argues for creation and in his other series he has some very solid takes. God bless you and the nerds.
"The Thing" ........exactly right. Chardin heard too much about Castañeda...instead of hesychasm he jumped the shark, shook hands with demons, then gave us wizdums
One does not need to hold to theistic evolution and also a literal seven day creation narrative. Many reject evolution, hold to historical Adam but also see space for an older universe.
I'm only a few minutes in but, the other day I saw a video by an Orthodox Father Lawrence Farley who said the Genesis account of creation is myth. YIKES.
@@stefanevgenii3350 guess not. The orthodox church seems to do a great job of handling I guess, he would be considered a schismatic? They don't appear to play.
If Jay doesn’t debate a parrot? Then he’s clearly a scared fake intellectual. Smh. Jokes aside, dyslexic people everywhere solute you for reading books for them, and explaining the contents therein.
Thank you for this! Regarding the metaphysical nature of the Garden, an Orthodox priest told us the skin referenced in Genesis 3:21 means human skin-physical bodies-not animal skin garments. Mind blown!
Thanks for the video. I've always considered the 'days' to be acts of creation and not necessarily 24 hour days. So my question would be how is it a literal 24 hour day that occurs before the sun and moon are even created? Also, since the Fall was a metaphysical event that affected the whole cosmos, couldn't the nature of what a day is be different before the Fall?
May have been this talk which sort of dealt with language in debate, anyhow... when someone insults others, isn't kind, loving, peaceful, patient, etc. (Fruit of the Spirit), it shows they aren't walking in the Spirit. Genuineness can be genuinely filled with the Spirit. One can have lots of knowledge, but if no love, they are ... 1Cor. 13.
Question I though of recently: If man eating animals didn’t come till after the Flood, was Abel a sheep herder specifically for clothes/wool? That’s the only thing I can think of. Maybe dairy was a reason too...?
Luis Biel I think it comes from the fact that the Lord first gave the command to eat meat only after the earth was flooded. It could also be that Abel just tended sheep, simply because he was a steward of the land, and the sheep needed a Shepard.
@@JayDyer hey dunno if you’ve answered this, but I am curious on your thoughts on dinosaurs and is geology false, and is the expansion of the universe is mystical in nature?
Man, i can't find a single Orthodox Church online (Antiochan official website, Greek Orthodox in America) that actually supports the Correct Genesis interpretation of Father Rose and Jay... Is it one of those things where the layity believe as Rose (and the Fathers did) does but not the Patriarchs? We are Big Time Young Earther folk and this would be a HUGE sticking point for us. And if the ROC was hardcore "Holy Fathers Genesis" i think i might join. Any help from some of y'all... Thanks guys.
1:04:25 I’ve always read genesis literally and historically until I’ve been studying Protestantism, how do we refute people who point to other passages in scripture in which “death” is spoken about on spiritual terms and apply it to the genesis account.
Trying to learn here. So the world is 6 to 10000 years old? Adam and Eve made children that were brothers and sisters and populated the earth? I am orthodox but i have very hard tome to get genesis in the literal sense in every word it says. I am willing to be convinced.
@@awake3083 I'm incline to agree with you on this. 2 years later and I still don't understand how to view the topic of evolution in relation to Genesis.
In 6:54 Jay tells about naturalistic world view, live is very short and pleading and you're gone. So actually death is their god. The bible tells this according Jay. Where can I read this in the Orthodox Study bible? Thank you.
Jay Dyer thank you. I am watching you after looking for someone biblical. Woke up in October when I found out Climate change is a hoax. I’m 58 .. I know.. it took a while. Anyway my first thought was but that’s evil. My first impulse was to reach for the Bible, and so here I am. How would I found an Orthodox Church in Manchester UK? And again.. thank you.
@@JaneLancaster search in Google maps Eastern Orthodox Church! There should be Russian, Greek, Romanian, Serbian, antiochian parishes somewhere near you. Try emailing a priest near you. Coptic Orthodox is not Orthodox
Was it after the angels sinned with women that men starting killing and eating animals? I'd never heard that before about Noah being the time man started hunting.
40 mins in you talk about how the whole world uses Genesis for the 7 day week but isn't it true that Genesis borrows from astrological patterns that ancient people followed to create the 365 day calendar year, 24 hour day, 7 day week etc. You see this everywhere in ancient cultures. Obviously looking at the heavens and studying patterns is an ancient past time not disputing you just making the point of how our natural order is tied into the scripture
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Woodynic Yeah, I might unsub after his recent harangue against Christianity. He actually called the Old Testament blasphemous and said he speaks for God. I left a few comments, but I couldn’t watch all the video rants. I overlooked his goofy religious beliefs because his regular content is pretty funny, but he’s really losing the plot.
Always liked bro and always listen by utube or through Patreon
Man, i can't find a single Orthodox Church online (Antiochan official website, Greek Orthodox in America) that actually supports the Correct Genesis interpretation of Father Rose and Jay...
Is it one of those things where the layity believe as Rose (and the Fathers did) does but not the Patriarchs?
We are Big Time Young Earther folk and this would be a HUGE sticking point for us. And if the ROC was hardcore "Holy Fathers Genesis" i think i might join.
Any help from some of y'all...
Thanks guys
I am looking for a copy of Fth Rose. Does anybody can help?
You should create a playlist for your Bible series
Stil waiting on this tbh
++ seems hard to find these very useful videos
@@justian1772 exactly
Wish Jay would read this comment and reply to you he agrees
Reply to new videos and request playlist?
I'd be interested in same 🙋♀️ Jay is a great teacher, awesome and authentic vibe
Please do this entire project
Much respect for your work ethic jay. I know this isn’t as simple as you just showing up and talking - there’s a whole lot of work that goes into it
Genesis, Creation and Early Man was a game changer for me. Seems to me that once you understand Genesis from the traditional patristic Orthodox perspective everything else falls into place.
I used to reflect on how close God felt when I could just accept that both the drama of the Garden , Golgotha and our own lives are only separated by a a few thousand years and not millions.
Oh, and the St. Symeon the New Theologian book "The First Created Man" has been a staple on my bookshelf for years. It's awesome.
Thanks for all this Jay. Thanks for teaching a no nonsense patristic view of Genesis.
@creationist creationist man, I just saw another video by orthodox father in a Canadian monastery who bluntly said " evolution is a fact, its well proven science". How is the orthodox church not hammering these guys?
@@keithqueen352 Lazar Puhalo?
@@Sleader134 I'm not sure, I'll have to find the video to be sure but, that sounds right.
@@keithqueen352 Be very skeptical of anything Lazar Puhalo says.
@@Sleader134 thanks for the heads up brother!
Looking forward to reading through the entire Bible with my fellow nerds. This is gonna be an epic journey. Thanks, Jay!
Reading without memorising opposite verses as the most important and then secondly followed by comparison will not engrave HIS DIVINE SUPERNATURAL WORDS ON OUR HEARTS/MINDS
did you know Hebrew word for learn used in Deuteronomy is literally engrave as on stone/ our hearts being as hard as stone in resisting DIVINE SUPERNATURAL TRUTH
EZEKIEL 20/15 is example of the opposite NOT bring you into land flowing with milk and honey
I'm new to Christianity and this is very helpful, thanks bro
7:30 start of new talk
I made my scientist friend super mad because I said religion and most science is faith based. Basically it takes the same amount of faith to believe that in the begining something came from nothing like( big bang) as the belief that a being created heaven and earth. Boy, was she mad. My reasoning is that the majority of people cant or dont have the time to conduct these experiments so they just take their word for it and hope that these experts are honest.
you don't require faith to know there is no bowl of water in the sky (Genesis 1:7) you fool
I have a 30 min drive to liturgy. The bible lectures are my pregame. Thanks jay!
You know what I like? When you listen to many lectures you hear the words ‘this is a big subject which we haven’t got time to delve into tonight...’ not Jay, he takes as many hours as it takes to ‘delve into the topic.’ Nice one dude big respect
I am reading the Bible (Old and New Testament/s) published in 1925 by The Holy Synod Of The Bulgarian Orthodox Church. It is a challenge to read this approx. 1400 page Holy Book, but the positives of reading it surpass the difficulties I am experiencing trying to understand it.
Thank you Jay for making things clearer, you are helping us a lot!
God Bless
Where does one find something like that?
@@AJ0223 Hey. I found it in a cupboard in my mother's home.
@@Beat2ThaPhonk that's awesome. Seems like you stumbled upon a treasure. I've been looking for something like that online but have failed to come anywhere close. I own the 2008 Orthodox Study Bible published by Thomas Nelson. That said, any recommendations by anyone who reads this comment would be greatly appreciated
This mad man has THE best content on the internetz. Changen lives gangsta God bless ya!
Good Bible commentary is really needed, especially one that cites the fathers. Keep up the good work and God bless.
Raised Catholic, recently been studying Protestantism and now seriously pondering orthodoxy. Thanks for your insight Jay.
This is such a great venture!! Bible study with good friends and a knowledgeable teacher, very cool. Thanks Jay!! God Bless!!
I found if before reading the Bible you pray for guidance and discernment you’ll have a much better time
I love this! I wish I could join the part 2 for paid subs but I am really poor. But I am still thankful for your work Jay! God bless you! Much appreciation from the Philippines!
@@AdolfSchicklegruber Wow, that's so nice of you to offer!
@@AdolfSchicklegruber ❤❤❤
@@AdolfSchicklegruber Legend.
Thank you for this Jay, very excited to watch this series grow. Also in reference to my superchat Fr Dcn Ezra is a Deacon in an Antiochian Church in Oklahoma City. In the lecture series Orthodoxy 101 he argues for creation and in his other series he has some very solid takes. God bless you and the nerds.
@@Nina_Mo2 If you have not seen his other series I can highly recommend them. The man is a blessing
Slobberch0ps His book “These Things We Believe” introduced me, a lapsed Presbyterian, to Orthodoxy! And his UA-cam videos are outstanding!
Based and red pilled.
So glad you’re doing these. Thank you for this!
Dyer-Wave End/Lecture Begin @ 4:56
"The Thing" ........exactly right. Chardin heard too much about Castañeda...instead of hesychasm he jumped the shark, shook hands with demons, then gave us wizdums
Thank you for this clear explanation!
Wow that’s it, it’s about whether death exists before the fall!!!! Jay that’s brilliant, lightbulb moment dude thank u
Thank you soo much brother Jay dyer ✨
This is awesome thanks jay
“Plants were sustained by brondo before the fall because brondo has got what plants crave.” - Thomas Aquinas
Thank you so much for such solid teaching!
I love videos like this Jay! Please do more
One does not need to hold to theistic evolution and also a literal seven day creation narrative. Many reject evolution, hold to historical Adam but also see space for an older universe.
Excellent work as always, Jay. God bless you.
There is no point in allegory if not seeking to bring two different worlds together. Historicity is the manifestation part.
lol Sophronius calls them stammering idiots. "ooooooh that's an insult" hurr durr
I'm only a few minutes in but, the other day I saw a video by an Orthodox Father Lawrence Farley who said the Genesis account of creation is myth. YIKES.
Well then he is not Orthodox then is he?
@@stefanevgenii3350 guess not. The orthodox church seems to do a great job of handling I guess, he would be considered a schismatic? They don't appear to play.
@@keithqueen352 I see this kind of thinking most often in convert priests, Especially from Anglicanism.
They're not grounded in Orthodoxy.
Keith Queen No, he’s not a schismatic. He’s teaching heresy, but he hasn’t been defrocked or excommunicated.
@@TheRealRealOK thank you for the clarification. I honestly can't imagine it will be too much longer...
If Jay doesn’t debate a parrot? Then he’s clearly a scared fake intellectual. Smh. Jokes aside, dyslexic people everywhere solute you for reading books for them, and explaining the contents therein.
48:20 book recommendations
Did you do the inspiring philosophy debate? I dont know who he is but your debates are like lessons.
Thanks you for this Jay
God willing
Excellent work bud!
This is extremely helpful, thanks Jay
51:30 I lost it at Hitler gematria XD. I’ve seen people do stuff like that
Thank you for this! Regarding the metaphysical nature of the Garden, an Orthodox priest told us the skin referenced in Genesis 3:21 means human skin-physical bodies-not animal skin garments. Mind blown!
Adam had a body in the garden. Lamb skin is to represent that Jesus the lamb would eventually come to cover humanity's sin
I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on the shroud of Turin.
Nice breakdown by the way. Always enjoy your stuff.
'Soy professor from ....... butthole university' --> Haha I love channel
Nice.
is there a playlist for your bible breakdowns anywhere? theology playlist is cluttered
Thanks for the video. I've always considered the 'days' to be acts of creation and not necessarily 24 hour days. So my question would be how is it a literal 24 hour day that occurs before the sun and moon are even created? Also, since the Fall was a metaphysical event that affected the whole cosmos, couldn't the nature of what a day is be different before the Fall?
Brother. Take my money. How / where do I pay and get access to second half? Help!
Is there anyway to get ahold of Genesis Creation, and Early man without forking over 1k?
If you're still wondering, I'd recommend Jay's Discord. Someone there might know.
May have been this talk which sort of dealt with language in debate, anyhow... when someone insults others, isn't kind, loving, peaceful, patient, etc. (Fruit of the Spirit), it shows they aren't walking in the Spirit. Genuineness can be genuinely filled with the Spirit. One can have lots of knowledge, but if no love, they are ... 1Cor. 13.
They all come to the same conclusion because it's the same spirit.
Question I though of recently: If man eating animals didn’t come till after the Flood, was Abel a sheep herder specifically for clothes/wool? That’s the only thing I can think of. Maybe dairy was a reason too...?
Luis Biel I think it comes from the fact that the Lord first gave the command to eat meat only after the earth was flooded.
It could also be that Abel just tended sheep, simply because he was a steward of the land, and the sheep needed a Shepard.
Luke A.P. Rinck Idk what Luis’ response is but Luke, what you said sounds reasonable
I realize the correct answer: it’s not revealed so don’t worry about it. I’m just too curious I guess
Milk, cheese, wool...
You should debate the guy from first Gnostic Church of Christ
How can I subscribe through UA-cam? I don’t seem to have the option.
Aaron Ross on pc
@@JayDyer hey dunno if you’ve answered this, but I am curious on your thoughts on dinosaurs and is geology false, and is the expansion of the universe is mystical in nature?
Man, i can't find a single Orthodox Church online (Antiochan official website, Greek Orthodox in America) that actually supports the Correct Genesis interpretation of Father Rose and Jay...
Is it one of those things where the layity believe as Rose (and the Fathers did) does but not the Patriarchs?
We are Big Time Young Earther folk and this would be a HUGE sticking point for us. And if the ROC was hardcore "Holy Fathers Genesis" i think i might join.
Any help from some of y'all...
Thanks guys.
Watch the 1980 movie called " the apple" it explains EVERYTHING
Hey man where can i get just the jaywave?
Jay, i can't find the debate you said you'd have with InspiringPhilosophy. Did you guys cancel it? If not, where can i find it? Thanks
dont think it ended up happening because they said he was “too mean”
@@rippedgoat3587IP is cool with jay so idk what you’re talking about
@@jacobi-vision3249 they werent when he declined the debate, jay has a video explaining how IP and CC backed out of the debate because he was too mean
Is there a book that contains the whole Canon of the Ecumenical Councils or are there several books, or something?
1:04:25 I’ve always read genesis literally and historically until I’ve been studying Protestantism, how do we refute people who point to other passages in scripture in which “death” is spoken about on spiritual terms and apply it to the genesis account.
Where could one find the fr. Rose book for a reasonable price?
Trying to learn here. So the world is 6 to 10000 years old? Adam and Eve made children that were brothers and sisters and populated the earth? I am orthodox but i have very hard tome to get genesis in the literal sense in every word it says. I am willing to be convinced.
The age thing is up for debate but the rest yeah. Genesis has to be literal for the fall, the covenants and jesus' sacrifice to be coherent
@@Gofaweven in orthodoxy the age thing is not up to debate ;)
@@AlyoshaBosha no it isn't, you people don't even have unanimity in whether contraception is okay lmao
@@Gofawwhat are you talking about? The Orthodox church is incredibly clear about that.
@@Gofaw and what do you by mean "no it isn't" when i did not even give a positive assertion? Your reply does not make sense.
Assuming I'm the only one here who's enough of a slowboy to think I was clicking on a Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
How did you get here, jk? Lol has Jay been on Matt and Shane's? Maybe it's the gold colored backgrounds
@@putman815 yes I was referring to the gold backgrounds lol... avid listener of both
What are the scientific problems with evolution and why is it so widely accepted?
He told you why its so accepted, because even most christians believe it and it spread so easily with propaganda and "science"
@@awake3083 I'm incline to agree with you on this. 2 years later and I still don't understand how to view the topic of evolution in relation to Genesis.
what are the scietific problems with claiming there is a bowl of water in the sky (Genesis 1:7) and the earth was created in six days? Lol.
@@IamAnIdiot35bro made like 10 comments about “a bowl of water in the sky”
@@IamAnIdiot35The Bible is not a scientific text, so there is no "scientific problem" with The Scripture.
In 6:54 Jay tells about naturalistic world view, live is very short and pleading and you're gone. So actually death is their god.
The bible tells this according Jay. Where can I read this in the Orthodox Study bible?
Thank you.
Do they have orthodox churches in the UK?
Jane Lancaster yes ma’am
Jay Dyer thank you. I am watching you after looking for someone biblical. Woke up in October when I found out Climate change is a hoax. I’m 58 .. I know.. it took a while. Anyway my first thought was but that’s evil. My first impulse was to reach for the Bible, and so here I am. How would I found an Orthodox Church in Manchester UK? And again.. thank you.
@@JaneLancaster search in Google maps Eastern Orthodox Church! There should be Russian, Greek, Romanian, Serbian, antiochian parishes somewhere near you. Try emailing a priest near you. Coptic Orthodox is not Orthodox
@@JaneLancaster also, just be aware that not all Orthodox parishes are perfect and maybe some are even liberal. Test it out! God bless you journey
Was it after the angels sinned with women that men starting killing and eating animals? I'd never heard that before about Noah being the time man started hunting.
Does jay believe the earths is flat?
@@tinttiakka2028 But is he geocentric?
not trying to sound like a durrr well actually guy. but when did heaven come into play since there wasn't death until The Fall. thank you
Eden was heaven on Earth. Heaven will be like Eden except it will be a garden City. Zion
Jordan Peterson is a joke. Thanks Jay!
lol was that JF gariepy the guy who, allegedly, killed his partner
40 mins in you talk about how the whole world uses Genesis for the 7 day week but isn't it true that Genesis borrows from astrological patterns that ancient people followed to create the 365 day calendar year, 24 hour day, 7 day week etc. You see this everywhere in ancient cultures. Obviously looking at the heavens and studying patterns is an ancient past time
not disputing you just making the point of how our natural order is tied into the scripture
Ancient people borrowed from genesis, not the other way around
@@GofawGenesis was written what 3300-3400 years ago, so you don’t think other cultures had creation stories beforehand?
Could it not be possibly the other way around?
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