Correction: The WH1000XM5 uses a 30mm driver compared to the 40mm driver on the WH1000XM4. Thanks to Joey B for picking that up. Also, we will be getting the higher end counterpart to the PX7 S2, the PX8 soon. Keep an eye out in case we compare some of the new ultra premium $1000+ bluetooth sets!
I actually just returned Px8's and thinking of Momentums or XM5s. I have Xperia 1 V so aptx codec is fully supported :) I previously owed XM4 but those were to muddy and that is why im little afraid of XM5 that it will be the same...What is your experience with Momentums ? are you still using them ?
I don't understand why people think the XM5 sound good. I've tried them and was completely underwhelmed by its sound. People saying this sounds good clearly didn't listen to headphones with actual good sound.
The XM5 needs good eq'ing. The stock sound is way too closed in and kinda muffled, but once you dial them in they open up nicely and have an excellent sound. I've spent some time comparing them eq to eq to the B&O HX, B&W PX7 S2, and Sennheiser M4, and while I like all of them the XM5 have been my favorite. They just have really good clarity and separation and stay balanced regardless of the type of music I listen to. I enjoyed the M4 but I felt they only really shined when listening to hard hitting music with heavy bass. They sound really good overall but Jazz, blues, and classical types didn't come out as well as they do with the Sony. The HX have an overall really nice sound but never sounded great to me. The PX7 S2 were the only one's that had a slightly better overall sound to me than the XM5 but with some of Sony's other features they became my favorite overall. The only ones I've tested that sound better than the XM5 are the Focal Bathys and B&O H95 but at $800 and $900 respectively I would expect that. I'm not a diehard Sony fan and really wanted to like the Sennheiser more (if for no other reason just cause I love Sennheiser) but the Sony's just wound up impressing me the most
@@MrJ.31 not true.. you can't get XM5 any better for sound separation and clarity even via EQ when comparing to Apple Max, or B&W.. people should know.. the western 'world' operates by who paid who for 'add'.. that's all.
I went down this rabbit hole recently. XM5's, APM, PX7, Senn 4's. I stuck with the Senn 4's. I really like them and the latest firmware corrected the connection issues (at least I haven't been experiencing any).
Leaning towards the sennheiser m4’s as well but the px7 s2’s are very tempting for its build quality and look, not a huge fan of plastic headphones for this price even if it does make the headphones lighter
@@HitchyBruh The design is also the original reason I went with the PX7's as well BUT I, personally, like the sound on the Senn 4's and I felt (for me) they were more comfortable. Also with the PX7's, the mic only works on bluetooth and did not work while on USB-C, there are some posts and information out there about that issue,
I bought the Momentum 4, they are down to $300 which is a great value. They sound fabulous, great bass, it's been three weeks and I haven't needed to charge them up again. Having a 60 hour battery life is a huge advantage and benefit.
hey Bryan! my sister is going to the States and i ordered a Momentum 4´s for myself after a long long research. One thing i founded to be quite recurrent is some connection issues regarding bluetooth inconsistency and auto off/on function. How has been the experience for you so far?
Outstanding review!! I especially appreciate the presentation of the headphones unlike some of th other reviewers who put their face on the review the whole entire session without a shot on the headphones 😂😂!! You’ve done an exceptionally well executed analysis, please make more!!😊😅
I have a WH1000XM5. I think the bass is ok, but the sound especially human voice is muffled. I don’t think it could be completely solved by tuning the EQ.
Thats why I went for the PX7 s2. Its like an inbetween... but honestly its a LITTLE muffled. Sennheiser wasn't ok for me in hiphop. My problem is that I listen to everything, metal, hiphop, techno, reggae, ect. PX7 was "ok" for that. The h95 was perfect tho... but 1300$? Hell no! not now XD
@@kate_vye810 Thanks! I’m glad to have your comment so I know that I’m not the only one who noticed the muffled sound of XM5. But quite disappointed that there are only very few UA-camrs who mentioned about that. If I had the chance to try a demo first or if I had found comments about the muffled sound, I would not have bought this one. By the way, probably next time I will buy the wired ones.
I recently purchased the WH10000XM4 and was shocked at how muffled the high end was. When I compare headphones I only use a bluetooth transmitter. That eliminates any EQ factors. I have a current JBL Armour that sounds great, but is like a vice on my head. It has both excellent bass and an wide open top end. The Sony seemed like it had a filter on the top end. I even paired it with my phone to see if the EQ would help but did nothing but increase the 4k range. Very disappointing to the point where I didn't want to even try the newer M5 where I saw similar complaints about the top end. The Sennheiser will be my next choice. This was a good review.
Hi, great review! I have one question that I hope you would be able to clarify. The biggest issue for me when it comes to over ear headphones is the size of the earcups. You nicely showed the depth of them, could you also share the hight and width in the inside of earcups?
Had the momentum 4s for a month. The sound is incredible. Just as he described. Clear. And rich highs noticeable mids and lows that are present but do not muddy the mix. My issue was that they hurt the top of my head after an hour or more of listening or playing video games. They also had connection issues switching between devices and auto connecting to some. I now own the px7 s2. They are a bit more comfortable and sleeker. The sound is excellent but I miss the lows of the momentum 4. I wish the momentum 4 put a bit more premium parts on and saved weight by dropping to 30-40hr battery.
man thats discouraging, already almost everyone is saying that the momentum 4 is more comfortable than the xm5, and everyone also seemed to say that the xm5 are more comfortable because they are as light weight as a cloud, now nothing makes sense anymore
I had the Sony XM3 and they were good. I now have the XM5 and they are good with one thing that drives me nuts. if i am watching a video on my tablet and you take the headphones off it pauses the video, that's neat. if you put them back on it starts the video, that's neat too. if you double tap the right ear piece it pauses and un pauses the video, that's fine too. but if I'm watching the video and chewing food it will pause the video. if I cough it will pause the video. if i talk it pauses the video. it gets really annoying
You can toggle that off in the app settings. You can disable it or change the pause duration to shorter or longer. Its an additional feature in an working environment that I find its use case.
I find that each of these models lack in some way where it's really difficult to declare a winner. When I bought the XM3 that I am seeking to replace, they were the obvious choice for noise-cancelling headphones. I'm really perplexed that Sony have made the XM5's even larger at the smallest setting. They slide off of one's head too easily, which is absolutely horrible given how fragile they are (internal components). Give me an AirPods Max 2 with a proper case and USB-C charging, and I'd happily pay the premium over these alternatives that suffer from awkward design choices or lackluster noise-cancelling, or disappointing sound quality or a lack of comfort. Those Momentum 4s almost get it right, but the pods look cheap, the NC is meh, and the comfort is a bit so-so. Perhaps they will perfect the product line with the 5th iteration.
am in a similar situation. My XM2s are basically falling apart at this point. But when you buy new ones, you at least want your new ones to be at least as good as your current ones in every aspect. But every new model seems to have at least something that my XM2s did better. I dislike the XM5s because the ear cushion has become much thinner, and my ears get really warm and sweaty.
As for me, folding ability is a big disadvantage of Sonys 1000xm series. After some time folding headphones start to make an awful squeaking sound. Hope, it will not be a case with latest. I have Bowers Wilkins px7 first edition and for some time Sennheiser m4- they both are great. Folding ability without squeaking is great in Momentum 3, but they are heavier and their case is not sturdy enough for protection
The momentum4 are a good choice as an Allrounder for a low price meanwhile. I got them for 280 and prefer them to sony xm5. The 5 equalizer stages are nice to adjust to your music you prefer
The Airpods Max have top notch ANC (Probably 2nd only to the Sony), best hear-through mode feature (most natural sounding) but have no high res codecs (Apple tings). They sound decent all things considered, but general consensus is that they tend to lose to all of these offerings in the sound quality department. They're also pricier and lack accessories + a proper case for this price point. If you want wired listening you need an adaptor, which is purchased separately.
I have all three headphones and I don't agree with the review by saying Sennheiser has the most neutral sound. The main problem of MW4 is her aggressive bass boost and it can be a diaster in some music such as concert and orchestra which in this case the B&W and Sony can bith handle them better.
@@MinidiscAu yeah I had it for a week but had to return it as my sample got buzzing sound on the right side after the amp is turned on, I was already in love with it. That heartbreak make me switch to a buying spree then got a Ocharaku Flat 4 and a 2018 Andro, still having to grip with using the Andro, the fit is kinda iffy with some tips and cables, how it changes sound with each source for me, IMO is annoying, harder to find a good combo of than my IM04. Is there anything you recommend that's modern that can help my fixation with the KSE sound?
Can't speak for these but on my Soundcore Q45 the pressure is sensitive to sudden changes and when I shake my head or am commuting in bumpy conditions the bass abruptly increases and decreases
@@Vugar.Ahmadov compared to what? They’re equally priced as Apples outrageous AirPods Max, and supremely outperform them at every turn… I think the price outrage, at least from my vantage point is, that they’ve moved into a price segment traditionally defining the baseline of pro headphones… where these are totally outclassed
When it comes to sounds....there is only one king. KEF MU7 boys... of course for the main stream it will always be Sony or Sennhiser due to it's customizations and trend.
If your TV supports bluetooth, it should work with any of these Bluetooth headphones. However, some TVs will experience latency / lip sync delay when using Bluetooth, so we generally recommend using a dedicated bluetooth transmitter that supports a low latency codec for the best experience with any TV.
I have all of these and happy to report that none of them come close to Shure Aonic 50. I highly recommend Mini Disc to include a head to head comparison with the Shure.
What is the different between PX8 & PX7s2 ?? I think only the price ..no?? I raed more comparisons between those two an more than once they choose the PX7s2 ,...so you lost money...but if you have enough it is no problem ofcourse.
Correction: The WH1000XM5 uses a 30mm driver compared to the 40mm driver on the WH1000XM4. Thanks to Joey B for picking that up. Also, we will be getting the higher end counterpart to the PX7 S2, the PX8 soon. Keep an eye out in case we compare some of the new ultra premium $1000+ bluetooth sets!
As soon as you said that I had to stop to leave a comment. Good thing you addressed this already.
Thank you very much for the great review. I have a question. Are the earcups swappable on the Sennheiser Momentum 4 wireless?
I sold my Px8 and bought the Momentum 4. I feel like I have way more for my money now.. Thanks for the complete and great review!
Glad I could help!
I actually just returned Px8's and thinking of Momentums or XM5s. I have Xperia 1 V so aptx codec is fully supported :) I previously owed XM4 but those were to muddy and that is why im little afraid of XM5 that it will be the same...What is your experience with Momentums ? are you still using them ?
I don't understand why people think the XM5 sound good. I've tried them and was completely underwhelmed by its sound. People saying this sounds good clearly didn't listen to headphones with actual good sound.
Completely agree, huge downgrade from the m4s
Same here .... don't know y people hype about Sony ....
Agreed
The XM5 needs good eq'ing. The stock sound is way too closed in and kinda muffled, but once you dial them in they open up nicely and have an excellent sound. I've spent some time comparing them eq to eq to the B&O HX, B&W PX7 S2, and Sennheiser M4, and while I like all of them the XM5 have been my favorite. They just have really good clarity and separation and stay balanced regardless of the type of music I listen to. I enjoyed the M4 but I felt they only really shined when listening to hard hitting music with heavy bass. They sound really good overall but Jazz, blues, and classical types didn't come out as well as they do with the Sony. The HX have an overall really nice sound but never sounded great to me. The PX7 S2 were the only one's that had a slightly better overall sound to me than the XM5 but with some of Sony's other features they became my favorite overall. The only ones I've tested that sound better than the XM5 are the Focal Bathys and B&O H95 but at $800 and $900 respectively I would expect that. I'm not a diehard Sony fan and really wanted to like the Sennheiser more (if for no other reason just cause I love Sennheiser) but the Sony's just wound up impressing me the most
@@MrJ.31 not true.. you can't get XM5 any better for sound separation and clarity even via EQ when comparing to Apple Max, or B&W.. people should know.. the western 'world' operates by who paid who for 'add'.. that's all.
I went down this rabbit hole recently. XM5's, APM, PX7, Senn 4's. I stuck with the Senn 4's. I really like them and the latest firmware corrected the connection issues (at least I haven't been experiencing any).
Leaning towards the sennheiser m4’s as well but the px7 s2’s are very tempting for its build quality and look, not a huge fan of plastic headphones for this price even if it does make the headphones lighter
@@HitchyBruh The design is also the original reason I went with the PX7's as well BUT I, personally, like the sound on the Senn 4's and I felt (for me) they were more comfortable. Also with the PX7's, the mic only works on bluetooth and did not work while on USB-C, there are some posts and information out there about that issue,
@@HitchyBruh Oh and they batterly life on the S4's can't be beat. 60 hours vs. 30 hours on the PX7's.
I bought the Momentum 4, they are down to $300 which is a great value. They sound fabulous, great bass, it's been three weeks and I haven't needed to charge them up again.
Having a 60 hour battery life is a huge advantage and benefit.
hey Bryan! my sister is going to the States and i ordered a Momentum 4´s for myself after a long long research. One thing i founded to be quite recurrent is some connection issues regarding bluetooth inconsistency and auto off/on function. How has been the experience for you so far?
Asbolutly. They r great phones for the money.
Thanks Lachlan for the comparison. I believe the M5 has a 30mm driver and the M4 is 40mm.
You are very welcome, and thanks for the correction!
Outstanding review!! I especially appreciate the presentation of the headphones unlike some of th other reviewers who put their face on the review the whole entire session without a shot on the headphones 😂😂!! You’ve done an exceptionally well executed analysis, please make more!!😊😅
モメンタム4の音、M5のノイズキャンセリング、Px7s2のデザインをしたヘッドホンはどこですか…？
I have a WH1000XM5. I think the bass is ok, but the sound especially human voice is muffled. I don’t think it could be completely solved by tuning the EQ.
Thats why I went for the PX7 s2.
Its like an inbetween... but honestly its a LITTLE muffled. Sennheiser wasn't ok for me in hiphop.
My problem is that I listen to everything, metal, hiphop, techno, reggae, ect.
PX7 was "ok" for that.
The h95 was perfect tho... but 1300$? Hell no! not now XD
@@kate_vye810 Thanks! I’m glad to have your comment so I know that I’m not the only one who noticed the muffled sound of XM5. But quite disappointed that there are only very few UA-camrs who mentioned about that. If I had the chance to try a demo first or if I had found comments about the muffled sound, I would not have bought this one. By the way, probably next time I will buy the wired ones.
After the underwhelming experience with my Sony X4 earbuds, I also chose BW.
@@SadhuTravels so how is bw so far?
I recently purchased the WH10000XM4 and was shocked at how muffled the high end was. When I compare headphones I only use a bluetooth transmitter. That eliminates any EQ factors. I have a current JBL Armour that sounds great, but is like a vice on my head. It has both excellent bass and an wide open top end. The Sony seemed like it had a filter on the top end. I even paired it with my phone to see if the EQ would help but did nothing but increase the 4k range. Very disappointing to the point where I didn't want to even try the newer M5 where I saw similar complaints about the top end.
The Sennheiser will be my next choice. This was a good review.
Hi, great review! I have one question that I hope you would be able to clarify. The biggest issue for me when it comes to over ear headphones is the size of the earcups. You nicely showed the depth of them, could you also share the hight and width in the inside of earcups?
Sony: 40mm wide and 64mm tall (rounded rectangle shape)/ Sennheiser: 37mm wide 55mm tall, (more of an ellipse) / B&W: 38mm wide 55mm tall (rounded rectangle)
are you Lachlan? your voice sounds like him. I thought you left the audio community! I am glad you haven't! I loved your videos in your channel!
Had the momentum 4s for a month. The sound is incredible. Just as he described. Clear. And rich highs noticeable mids and lows that are present but do not muddy the mix. My issue was that they hurt the top of my head after an hour or more of listening or playing video games. They also had connection issues switching between devices and auto connecting to some.
I now own the px7 s2. They are a bit more comfortable and sleeker. The sound is excellent but I miss the lows of the momentum 4.
I wish the momentum 4 put a bit more premium parts on and saved weight by dropping to 30-40hr battery.
man thats discouraging, already almost everyone is saying that the momentum 4 is more comfortable than the xm5, and everyone also seemed to say that the xm5 are more comfortable because they are as light weight as a cloud, now nothing makes sense anymore
i feel you lmaooo! which ones did u go with?@@allenalphonse4962
hey would you say the bass on Momentem 4's are punchy enough to make ears vibrate ?
nice review..about watching videos which brand is the best & why?
Hey would like to know what is that device you're using walkman ipod or what can you please specify,Thanks.
I had the Sony XM3 and they were good. I now have the XM5 and they are good with one thing that drives me nuts. if i am watching a video on my tablet and you take the headphones off it pauses the video, that's neat. if you put them back on it starts the video, that's neat too. if you double tap the right ear piece it pauses and un pauses the video, that's fine too. but if I'm watching the video and chewing food it will pause the video. if I cough it will pause the video. if i talk it pauses the video. it gets really annoying
You can toggle that off in the app settings. You can disable it or change the pause duration to shorter or longer. Its an additional feature in an working environment that I find its use case.
@@steph3255 which app, The Sony app? I will have to look again as I didn't see that option.
@@steph3255 found it, that works. Thanks.
hello, can they (px7s2) be considered as auido hi-fi wired headphones like the Meze 99 classics or are the mezes better in terms of audio quality?
I find that each of these models lack in some way where it's really difficult to declare a winner. When I bought the XM3 that I am seeking to replace, they were the obvious choice for noise-cancelling headphones.
I'm really perplexed that Sony have made the XM5's even larger at the smallest setting. They slide off of one's head too easily, which is absolutely horrible given how fragile they are (internal components).
Give me an AirPods Max 2 with a proper case and USB-C charging, and I'd happily pay the premium over these alternatives that suffer from awkward design choices or lackluster noise-cancelling, or disappointing sound quality or a lack of comfort.
Those Momentum 4s almost get it right, but the pods look cheap, the NC is meh, and the comfort is a bit so-so. Perhaps they will perfect the product line with the 5th iteration.
am in a similar situation. My XM2s are basically falling apart at this point. But when you buy new ones, you at least want your new ones to be at least as good as your current ones in every aspect. But every new model seems to have at least something that my XM2s did better.
I dislike the XM5s because the ear cushion has become much thinner, and my ears get really warm and sweaty.
As for me, folding ability is a big disadvantage of Sonys 1000xm series. After some time folding headphones start to make an awful squeaking sound. Hope, it will not be a case with latest. I have Bowers Wilkins px7 first edition and for some time Sennheiser m4- they both are great. Folding ability without squeaking is great in Momentum 3, but they are heavier and their case is not sturdy enough for protection
Real question is, how much can you tune these headphones? Do the B&W and Sennheiser have a 6-band EQ like the Sony?
Senneheiser only had a 3 band eq until the most recent update where it went from a 3 band to a 5 band eq.
Hold the girl! I'm so a fan of that album! Rina Sawayama FTW!
what music player and streaming app are you using?
I have the Momentum 4 and the bass is amazing, idk how to fine-tune them for clearer vocal clarity though. Anyone have tips?
How is the b&w px8?
The momentum4 are a good choice as an Allrounder for a low price meanwhile. I got them for 280 and prefer them to sony xm5. The 5 equalizer stages are nice to adjust to your music you prefer
was that apple music on an android? i mean i know there is an app but still
How do the Apple over ears compare to this lineup?
The Airpods Max have top notch ANC (Probably 2nd only to the Sony), best hear-through mode feature (most natural sounding) but have no high res codecs (Apple tings). They sound decent all things considered, but general consensus is that they tend to lose to all of these offerings in the sound quality department. They're also pricier and lack accessories + a proper case for this price point. If you want wired listening you need an adaptor, which is purchased separately.
Can you review Kef Mu7?
I have all three headphones and I don't agree with the review by saying Sennheiser has the most neutral sound. The main problem of MW4 is her aggressive bass boost and it can be a diaster in some music such as concert and orchestra which in this case the B&W and Sony can bith handle them better.
IQ it down a bit and all is ok if you're Bass.sensitif! MW4 is the best you can get for this price
I tested some music and MW4 does way better with not exaggerated bass than XM4... Just like XM5 they are way too bassy raw.
Thanks for the vid! Been a while since last vids. Btw have you heard the good ol KSE1200?
I have! It's a classic that sounds lovely and clean, but the package is a bit awkward for most people with the extra amplifier unit.
@@MinidiscAu yeah I had it for a week but had to return it as my sample got buzzing sound on the right side after the amp is turned on, I was already in love with it.
That heartbreak make me switch to a buying spree then got a Ocharaku Flat 4 and a 2018 Andro, still having to grip with using the Andro, the fit is kinda iffy with some tips and cables, how it changes sound with each source for me, IMO is annoying, harder to find a good combo of than my IM04.
Is there anything you recommend that's modern that can help my fixation with the KSE sound?
Good review
To be honest There is no reason to upgrade from XM4 to XM5
Hey Lachlan, did you test the XM5 using LDAC?
Any idea if the px7 s2, sony 1000xm5, or shure aonic 50 offer a true passive wired mode where they don't need power to use them?
Px7 s2 not, you need battery 😬
xm5 offers it
@@flipflopflipflop3063 xm5 sounds like trash if you don't turn them on even in wired mode.
Please review PX8 and compare it with PX7 S2
Is the ANC pressure really that disturbing? Any case in particular where it happens more ?
Can't speak for these but on my Soundcore Q45 the pressure is sensitive to sudden changes and when I shake my head or am commuting in bumpy conditions the bass abruptly increases and decreases
And now the flagship Bowers PX8 is out, and apparently stunning?.. has to be at that price point!
Too expensive
@@Vugar.Ahmadov compared to what? They’re equally priced as Apples outrageous AirPods Max, and supremely outperform them at every turn… I think the price outrage, at least from my vantage point is, that they’ve moved into a price segment traditionally defining the baseline of pro headphones… where these are totally outclassed
When it comes to sounds....there is only one king. KEF MU7 boys... of course for the main stream it will always be Sony or Sennhiser due to it's customizations and trend.
B&W is no less.
Please review the focal Bathys
It's definitely on our radar!
can i connect them to a TV is most important for me?
If your TV supports bluetooth, it should work with any of these Bluetooth headphones. However, some TVs will experience latency / lip sync delay when using Bluetooth, so we generally recommend using a dedicated bluetooth transmitter that supports a low latency codec for the best experience with any TV.
@@MinidiscAu ty
I have all of these and happy to report that none of them come close to Shure Aonic 50. I highly recommend Mini Disc to include a head to head comparison with the Shure.
Sitting on the fence between PX7's and Aonic 50. To me the quality is similar, but unsure about the ANC. What do you think?
I love my new PX8❤
What is the different between PX8 & PX7s2 ?? I think only the price ..no?? I raed more comparisons between those two an more than once they choose the PX7s2 ,...so you lost money...but if you have enough it is no problem ofcourse.
do you also love their app??? can't get on it on android.. lol.
Sennheiser is the obvious choice
XM5 can’t compete with both of those in sound quality, which is the msot important thing
❤❤
Amazing review. Momentum 4 looks like a headphone you’d hand somebody going through a 5150 though…
😂
What’s a 5150?
Momentum 4 looks cheap so does xm5
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