Love the views the negotiator has, he doesn't only want to save the hostages, he wanted to save the hostage-taker. Really a fresh perspective when it comes a hostage scenario.
Back then, that perspective was taught to most civilian hostage-rescue teams. Ika nga, the successful rescue is when you get the hostages and the hostage-takers alive.
I live in San Juan City and know Paray or Kuya Arch personally since I go to Greenhills frequently since I was raised in that city. Kuya Arch was just infuriated about him getting fired due to complaints made by people who visit the mall. During the time he got fired while his financial situation was bad to summarize it here it is: - Has a wife (His wife is pregnant during that time) - Child - If I remember he was in debt too So there's no reason for him to be fired like that just because of "some" complaints. That's why most of the people who sympathized with him were people from the area (SJC), specifically West Crame which is literally beside the mall. And his team leader kuya Cagais who wasn't mentioned in the video but you know him if you're from Crame wasn't mad at all in fact he got fired even though he helped diffuse the situation. One of the hostages was also my relative and she told me Kuya Arch wasn't scary at all in fact he was kind to the hostages, and the fact that the hostage that was interviewed at the end only cried due to shock and fear, and in the end sympathized with Kuya Arch because she knew his situation. And when the retired police BGEN said it was never their intention to "eliminate" Kuya Arch and had no SWAT personnel in the vicinity except for the ones who attempted to apprehend him. Well, first things first, the area has a rooftop surrounding the place where Kuya Arch talked to the media, and my cousin who was on-scene (not the hostage) saw SWAT snipers positioned and ready to shoot Kuya Arch if he pulls the gun on his waist. And when Kuya Arch was brought to prison let me inform you all that after a few days/weeks Kuya Arch's "CHILD" died because he was unable to pay for the hospital bills. The fact that they lack the background and history of the hostage taker is crazy. And to inform you all he's still in San Juan Prison and his trial is being held in Pasig which takes so long. Anyways, if sources online say he was 40 during the hostage-taking, first of all, he ain't that old during the hostage-taking he was still 32, now Kuya Arch should be 35. He should still have 3-4 years in Prison. Thanks for informing yourself by reading this entire thing I made what @SJ-fz3hr also commented is true and 100% factual.
Anyways the fact that the Police Brigadier General Yebra responded, I truly respect him since he kept true to his words and the only person who angered kuya Arch is Mayor Zamora not gonna lie. Sir Yebra you're a true police officer though you had a few slip-ups in the past you learned the hard way, you still tried your best we're still humans after all. 🎖
It’s sad that the corruption is real. Do you know what the complaints about him that got him fired? I don’t think his intentions were to kill hostages or he would’ve killed one or two. His intentions was to publicly expose and shame the government and his security company. That being said, Gofundme should’ve been started by the Phillipino people to help him. His child died in the hospital is all around sad.
@@TheHailstorm77 I'm not really aware but it's some mall guest complaining about how he treats other mall staff better than guests. I've only heard it from some guards days after the incident.
Kudos to police negotiator Gen. Orlando Yebra despite a scarred by a past crisis that gone tragically wrong he was able to rise to the occasion do his job well and to San Juan City Mayor Francis Zamora for time of facing the hostage situation and coming on top resulting in a more favorable outcome. Bravo guys, God bless.
grabe iyak ko dito 😭😭😭 may mga mabuting tao naman na nkkagawa lang ng masama dahil sa problemang di na nila kayang dalhin. saludo sa lahat ng umayos neto. lalo na sa nkkipagusap sa kanya.
mabait yan c archie paray matagal ko rin naging ka buddy yan sa trabaho matuwid at mahinahong tao yan talagang hindi niya lang kinaya ang kurapsyon jan sa security agency ni pinag trabahuhan niya wala kasing maglakas ang loob na magsalita sa mga maling pamamalakad ng agency na yan!
Marami pong Salamat CNA for this wonderful take on this incident. I just hope and pray that Mr. Alchie Paray will be given a fair system and wouldn’t experience any unjust representation. I’ve seen some of his interviews, and it seems like he’s a sincere man. He’s been wronged and I guess he’s already at his wits end. 2026, I aspire him to become a better person, achieve forgiveness, wellness and success in life. For all the Employers and the higher Management, be Ethical! After all, people is one of the most important resource for any organization (small or big). Integrate both of your EQ and IQ.
Nakaka iyak sa huli😢 nakaka awa si kuya . Sana maging lesson sa lahat to. Hope kuya paray okay kana ngayon kahit nasa kulungan ka always pray po. mabait ka po na tao. God always there for you😇
Actually he was a victim of bad management. And his family was a second victim. Managers ang business owners will never got good income if there are no people under them. Their productions came from effort of lowly workers. @@raiquiaarbiter7974
I like the fact that the hostage negotiator got the chance to redeem himself and even after that he remained selfless. His so called failure before became his biggest lesson and made him what he is today.
Honestly it wasn't even totally his fault. While we don't know the full circumstances of why the hostage taker at Luneta wouldn't back down, we do know for a fact that the swat team demonstrated some of the worst tactics when it comes to tubular assault.
Aside from SWAT, some TV networks are also responsible to the deadly Luneta bus hostage crisis. Simply because they became the hostage taker's live camera and he went up mad when the media covered how his brother was hurt by the authorities.
@@majorminor8557responding to this there was a very nice documentary about this hostage taking. Please search "Tragediaries" he has only 3 videos, and one if them is about the Quirino grandstand hostage taking.
I worked as a guard in one of the most successful mall chains and I can testify kung gaano ka liit ang tingin ng mga client sa mga guard. Halos walang day off kasi walang tao kadalasan once or twice a month lang our duty is 12 hour duty. Kailangan mong pumasok 30 minutes early UNPAID for the discussion na paulit ulit naman cyempre sasabihin nila na agency dapat namin ang sumagot doon but get this evey time na dumarating daily time record namin na AUTOMATED Hindi kasama yung 30minutes. Nung anniversary nila pinag duty kami hindi bayad for 4 hours binantaan pa kami ng direct hire na security supervisor "agency na ang bahala sa inyo". At once ireklamo ka ng customer kahit sa napakaliit na bagay kahit ikaw ang tama walang papanig sayo kung mali ka mali ka kung tama ka mali ka parin. Kaya sana yung mga mayayamang tao dyan please just try to be nice sa mga guard kasi at the end of the day mayayaman parin naman kayo ehh.
our profession, is the most exploited... guard for 18 years.. very tight qualifications but no extra compensation.. mabuhay ang mga security guard na Pilipino!
Manager nga namin sa mall sobrang bobo .. mapagmataas kase nga manager .. kala mo kung sino di pa nag sasalita ng bisaya puro English na wrong grammar .. yung spelling nga nya sa 'tuck in " ay "tack in" .. nakikipag contest pa sya kase Tama daw spelling nya ayun pinakitaan ko ng mga awards ko at medals ko nung high school kasama na yung best in English awards ko Tas sabay left sa group chat namin Tas ilang araw lang nag resign ako kase sobrang hambog ng manager bobo naman .. 😂
I remember this guy way back 2009 dalawa lang kami sa site that time. Napakabait na tao yang kaya nalungkot ako dahil nagawa nya yan. Sa pagkakakilala ko sa kanya may problema sya sa work and family nya. Mahirap ang buhay nya kaya sya nag bakasakali sa maynila. Matagal na syang security guard and I remember also about his agency's na minsan hindi sila patas sa mga Tao nila.. I hope his okay now ❤
I feel what the hostage taker was going through. My husband was a former security guard and unfair and unjust practices really happens inside the security agency. Example: Delayed Salary, No Overtime Pay and Too many overtime work etc. tapos alisin sa work kung ayaw sundin gusto ng supervisor na super demanding. Very wrong ginawa Niya but that Action shows how injustice can push a person to do wrong. Hopefully, that's an eye opener for security agencies. And hoping every now and then agencies would be monitored.
Sana ganyan,imonitor ang mga security agencies,SG din kc anak ko diyan sa Manila,imbis my trabaho,parati humihingi ng pera sa akin kc delayed parati ang sueldo,tapos palipat2 ng area,nagrent lng xa ng room,paano na ang pagkain,tubig,pamasahe niya,sakit sa dibdib bilang ina na nasa malayo ang anak,tapos my text na tubig na lng iniinom niya,wala na xa makain😢😢😢
What he did is wrong, morally and legally but let this be a STRONG reminder to employers. You are managing people not machines. You have to be a leader and not a boss. Mahirap isantabi ang sarili bago ang iba pero bilang supervisor or manager, ikaw ang bridge between the company and your people. You have to make sure that good communication is there. On every corporate decision, hindi lahat tatanggapin yun. It’s a blend of accommodating, compassion and decisive. Also, you have to be just and maintain integrity. Remember, you also leave a legacy sa mga tao mo. Mahirap yung may disgruntled employee ka dahil hindi ka naging just and nawala ang integrity mo.
@@flyingwithanything27 no one disagrees with that, op's point is that something's wrong with the work culture and it pushes vulnerable people in society to do unimaginable things like this, and that needs to be addressed *too*
Sana yung nasa gobyerno hindi pera pera lang para sa sarili nilang interes katulad nyan napilitan na yung guard gumawa ng ganyan.. pansin nyo noon Hanggang Ngayon yung mga nangyare na ganyan eh lumalabas na hayaam na makakalimutan naman ng tao yan, kaya walang aksyon
Even if they're managing machines, it's still important to take appreciation of those working for them. At the very least, appreciation. But it's better to have respect and compassion. Which rarely ever happens and I hate it. It's the least they can do if they didn't wanna pay their employees well.
The guy's story resonated with a lot of security personnel. What he did is wrong and he should go to jail. But, what he said about his backstory really drove home the point that many guards like him are paid starvation wages by security agencies. they are paid minimum salaries. About 15,000 Pesos or 350-360 SG dollars per month. They aren't regular workers and despite existing regulations that would say otherwise, they are terminated by bosses at whim.
the situation is still the same for min. wage workers like security personnel, in fact, even worse because of inflation. So sadly this attempted social outcry by the hostage taker did not have any effect. @@gerivega
i come from indonesia, but this guy story hits home. many employers/higher ups think that staffs and employees are just dispensable pieces they can do whatever they want. when someone get fired / lay-off the reason could be anything the employers want no matter how good they do the job and good attitude. staffs / employees hardwork to make the workplace better often never get even a praise or notice by anyone instead gets expected to work more than our work hours
Sir Yebra, you are one of a kind. Calm and collected and so humble and so soft spoken and I can see in your eyes the empathy to the disgruntled security guard. 👏👏👏
seems nobody has mentioned this but salute also to the employee that was able to escape but the cops had him go back in and talk to the people hiding in the women's restroom!
@chrislopez218 I personally think it was not a dumb move. If I was one of those employees hiding in the cubicle, heard someone unfamiliar, I would hesitate to go out, thinking he maybe the unknown hostage taker pretending to be a cop. Kudos to the employee who decided to go back to save more of his colleagues.
Yebra is not at fault with the Luneta hostage taking, it was the media. They are broadcasting what's happening outside the bus and the meeting of the officials. The hostage taker knew everything cause the tour bus has tv inside. They should've stopped the live broadcast so that the hostage taker won't see where the police are coming, even the practice drill for how the police will get inside the bus was broadcasted. 8 people died because media wants the latest "scoop".
Same mistake the media did on Quirino Bus Hostage Crisis wayback 2010. And yes, Yebra was really made a mistake that time. He lied to Mendoza, which led to other people to negotiate.
As a retired senior detective myself, it is clear that there were just too many people trying to get involved in this case to try and make a name for themselves. The only people who should have been involved were the negotiator and few few experienced operatives to gather information from escapees. Everybody else needs to take a step back and let the trained experts do their jobs. And that means the senior officers butting out, too. It's not a media op for senior officers to try and publicise themselves.
I agree. In the Philippines these bigwigs think unfortunately that they are helping but they might even make this volatile situation worse. Maybe awareness is key. One thing im speculating is the reason they are meddling is because of the heads that will roll once this situation went haywire. My 2 cents.
Welcome to the Philippines where there is like this situation those are "MARITES" even there is an encounter between the military and terrorist you can see this scenario
Exactly!!!!!! I honestly think these incidents should prompt a specialized team to handle such cases. If these big officials are involved, not only are they causing confusion they all add to the pressure of those who are handling the case first hand.
Wow the actor and his build was so alike the hostage taker. Great job CNA on producing the documentary including all the footages and give a well balanced view. Was amazed at how they managed to get someone who had reported both the luneta and greenhill incident, and link both incidents well. Including the negotiator who happened to be present in both incidents and shared the differences and what had been learnt.
I remember this happening during the pre pandemic scare, was monitoring the news overseas then this news pop out. The negotiator Gen. Yebra Jr, did learned his lesson the hard way from the tragic Luneta hostage situation. And the outcome was nearly perfect beside the injured supervisor. My heart goes out to the hostage taker with his grievance on abuse and injustice from his supervisor and agency (which sadly happens often than not), and to the hostages who suffered trauma and/or mental health issues after the incident.
yung sa luneta isa ang media sa dahilan kaya hindi naging okay ang resulta nun , nasira diskarte ng negotiator kasi na monitor ng hostage taker ang nangyayare sa paligid
Naiiyak ako.. Salute sa negotiators Sir!! Kay Sir Archie Paray kung nababasa mo po ito isasama kita sa prayers ko po tonight.. Godbless po Sir Archie🙏🙏 tama po mga pinaglalaban ninyo ngunit mali lang po ng paraan pero lahat naman nagkakamali.. At alam ko po na humingi kana ng tawad.. Sana po di na maulit ang mga ganito.. Mahirap talaga po ang laban ng buhay.. Mga injustices pero kaya natin tong labanan in good ways.. In the end walang masamang nanalo.. What goes aroud comes around. LAW OF KARMA
More praise and respect to our brave hostage negotiators. Thank you for the mayor of San Juan City and to Gen. Orlando Yebra and more Glory to our Almighty God in granting our prayers of peaceful outcome to this troubled world. And thanks to our police and SWAT team for being at the ready to safe guards our communities.
The journalist sounds like he was blaming the negotiator. The one who has to blame on that day luneta hostage incident was the media and authorities that allowed them to televised what is going on he saw on tv inside the bus theres snipers and really pissed of the hostage taker and that ruined the negotiations.
Media tlga may kasalanan nyan nung 2010 hostage crisis pinakita nila yung kapatid na inaresto kya ngwala yung Mendoza at nAmaril sayang nga eh sana pinalapit ang media pra sila nlng mabaril tutal mga gago nmn yng mga reporter n yan
I can't really blame the frustration that people here in the Philippines feel. I have friends who were supposed to receive a covid bonus because they worked for a certain hospital and they were supposed to get it last year (2022) but here's what happened. They received only half of the bonus in the middle of the year but it was deducted because of "additional expenses". The other half? They're still waiting until now and it's going to be 2024 in 2 days. It's literally survival of the fittest here in the Philippines. Me? I don't work for anyone anymore. I work for myself. It's hard, but at least I don't have to pretend like I like my boss and supervisors and pretend like they're such amazing people.
Sad to see that a person was pushed to his limits and did what he did because how our society works. Don't get me wrong, Paray should still be liable on what he did. But, our system/policies are made by humans, and it should be in favor of the wellness and well-being of people. However, this is not the case and that pushed Paray to do this and after all he did, nothing has changed. My uncles are security guards, and they would work 12 hours per shift and if their buddy can't go to work they'll be covering that shift too. Imagine security guards in the Philippines are holding guns, but they lack proper rest and sleep and on top of that they are underpaid and most often contractuals.
@Raffy Tima in 2010, you might want to mention that it was the media who triggered the hostage taker to shoot by showing his brother on live tv being held on. So, it was not solely the negotiators’ responsibility.
@@Armuandist isn't it ABSCBN also the one who put their cameras in front of the bus to get the biggest scoop? fckin assholes only thinking of themselves when other people's lives are in grave danger
I can relate so much to this guy but of course what he did was wrong and unlawful. I worked as a security guard for 10 years and I've witness and experience myself how poorly we are treated by the agency and the company that we are serving. Here in the Philippines, as a security guard, we rarely get respect from people that we are protecting, and most are annoyed with the security protocols we are implementing. Only few people appreciate the work and effort we put to it that's why I resigned and got a new career.
Well done Gen. Yebra for orchestrating the negotiations. You redeemed yourself. Mabuhay ka Mayor Zamora that was a risky thing to do. You're a hero! I hope Paray gets justice. Too bad he will be charged for homicide. Updates pls. Sana me counselling sa mga na-hostage.
I personally know someone who was a hostage. Some facts she shared: - the negotiations that calmed Alchie down were mostly thanks to the hostages inside. In her opinion the police and mayor just prolonged the situation. - the bosses that publicly apologized werent fired - the mall’s security agency was fired, all guard were replaced. - Alchie asked for Jollibee for the hostages, but were only given bread from mercury (store next to the exit). Then police had jollibee after 😂
@@kalibre.2228 it was her experience and her opinion man, not mine. Another Fun fact, the mall said they will move the admin office after the incident, but its been 3 yrs and they havent moved 🤣🤣🤣
it would be stupid to think the hostage taker will just walked out and surrender by just a mere talk-nu-jutsu by them, the hostages, "nakalabas na sana kami kanina pa kung walang mga pulis or civilian negotiator" - ano yun nang trip lang ganun? also it's not a good idea to always give in sa mga demand ng hostage-taker as it will only make him more demanding, the officers need to maintain a control in the situation even when they have to lie just to think that they gave him what he asked for.
To all negotiators Saludo po ako sa inyo. Sinusuong po ninyo ang buhay sa kaligtasan ng kapwa. Pagpalain po nawa kayo ng Panginoog Diyos. To God be the glory.
I was a former Security guard somewhere in NCR Metro manila. Nagulat ako na kahit sa manila maraming hindi DOLE Rate magpasahod na ahensya kahit na established na ung kompanyang napasukan mo. Nakakaawa kmi na 620 ung 12 hrs namin tapos di bayad ang OT. Thank u na lng. Very emotionally draining pa ung work lalo na ung ibang kawork mo.
Yes , Maraming salamat Sa mga Pulis at sa mga negotiators ,na Safe talaga Ang Lahat.. Salamat Wala Rin nangyari Sa Guard. . naawa man tayo sa kanya, pero Dapat rin naman ma pAnagutan nya ang mga pangyayRi.. so pray tayo sa taas lagi..Salamat po.
It's strange for me not remembering or at least hearing this incident happened considering that I was working in Manila during that time. All I can recall from that month was there was already a case of local transmission of Covid-19 (and it coincidentally started there in Greenhills) and the whole country was about to be put on quarantine/lock down 2 weeks after that hostage taking incident. So I'm quite shocked to know right now that this incident happened and it somehow escaped my memory
Same. I had so many friends in San Juan City pero di rin sila aware dito. Maybe dahil nakafocus ang mga taon sa COVID news that time kaya natabunan na yung ibang news
SALAMAT Buddy SA Sacrifice mo na maging Boses nating MGA Naaaping gwardya Bagaman nakakulong kna ngayon Sana balang araw ay makalaya Ka at mkpagbagong Buhay Bagong pagasa 😊🙏
Well detailed, well made. There's snippets and behind the scenes footage frok the actual incident. Kudos to CNA for making such a spectacular documentary. What can improve this further is to include the actual statements of Paray and he himself be interviewed to get his side of the story. Since he is reknowned as the "Pinoy Joker".
What a nice true and documentary story. The bottom line. Employers should be fair and just and should have a fair big bosses of the company and treat lowly employess fairly. Dapat sana yung sa Luneta incident yung simplengvkahilingan na kaya naman. Pinagbigyan na lang wala pang namatay. Mas heavy damage tuloy ang naging outcome. Saludo ako sa police officer na negotiator and kay Mayor Francis Zamora. Nag work dati ako dyan sa Greenhills sa Greenhills Elan Hotel at nagcicimba pa ako dyan sa Chapel kaya i loved that place. Very proffessional ang pag handle. Felt may divine intervention jse nakita ko nag sign of the cross si Mayor and honest and pure ang intention ni Police Negotiator. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. THANKS
The General went through some difficult experiences especially with that hostage taking that ended in tragedy. But in the end, I think he's a decent man who's really good with his job.
The Greenhills area (GH Mall, V-Mall, Promenade, and Shoppesville) is like having Sim Lim, Bugis, Funan, and Plaza Singapura crammed into 16 hectares. Compared to the clusterfuck of 2010 in Luneta, this was much better handled. The problem with Luneta was that way too many people wanted to handle the situation their way: The idiot Mayor of Manila who used to be the chief of Police and acted as if he’s still running the Police, the media at a time when they empowered themselves to broadcast everything to everyone including the perpetrator who saw everything on the bus TV, the Vice Mayor of Manila who had no business being there but decided to pull strings to get some demands of the perpetrator met, and the Police themselves who should be running the negotiations but were relegated to spectators behind politicians and the media. For Greenhills, there was just breaking news in the morning … no news coverage throughout the entire day… and it ended with most people forgetting that it actually happened. It also helped that the San Juan Mayor is a young, first timer with no intention of looking like a hero.
i remembered the time when the media broadcasts the position of the SWAT snipers to the hostage taker, when I saw on TV that they've broadcasted the snipers I just face palmed thinking this shit's going to blow up real bad, the current chief of police, the mayor and all their underlings have the gall to go to a posh resto because "it's time to have lunch, our fatasses are tired because our brain is 20% smaller than normal". the police strike team at that time doesn't even consider the bus' structure, where to enter and where to ambush, they tried breaking the glass and throw a smoke grenade and miss the hole like a moron, probably due to panic because the gunman started executing everyone on the bus when he saw on the news his brother and son getting dragged like an animal
I think Raffy should not blame the main negotiator during the luneta bus incident, its mostly the fault of the media broadcasting on real time, the swat position while the hostage taker watch in the bus tv that agitated him the more. The media should have a consensus on the proper way to handle reporting during hostage crisis to help rather than escalate tension.
Kahit matagal na tong ngyari n ngayon ko lng napanood n hanga ako sa kaganapan n mahusay na pghandle sa hostage taker..God bless u n more power sa lahat ng ngnegotiates.
For me in this kind of hostage senario in Philippines SAF: is the best unit to handle this situations they have proper training and equipment they act fast and plan strategically good for infiltrations SWAT: have training and equipments too but for me they are much better at just securing the parameter in the area POLICE: just a big NO!!! the most corrupt unit no one trust this one
Grievances in the Philippines is not isolated case but ramdom part of labor prantices in the Philippines... generally thats why Filipinos goes abroad for betterment of the family..in society even in abroad.."..wag kang magtiwala sa kapwa Filipino dahil sila mismo magsasammak sayo'
Brilliant docu.! Excellent job, Gen. Yerba, Mayor Zamora and Gen. Sinas!!! So proud of the outcome. Our sympathy is with Alchie, pero mali ang paraan niya. Salamat at buhay siya at sana magbago na ang patakbo ng Security Agencies sa poor pay, long hours etc etc sa mga SG.😢 Sana na save din si Capt. Mendoza noong 2010 kung ganito ka propesyonal ang proseso ng negosasyon. It was so tragic. RIP Capt. M. May God rest your soul. 🕯🙏🕯
SANA LAGING MAY MGA GANITONG DOCUMENTARY TAYONG MAPAPANUOD! Super intense tlga para akong nanunuod ng action movie pero totoong totoo! wala edit walang cut! good job po s lahat!
I saw gen.Nebra.sa news sa luneta hostages crisis..iBang case lang un ...I salute u sir Well experienced tlga kayo.dapat bgyan po Kyo Ng Parangal at c mayor zamra Dahil Walang namatay pati Hostage taker...Salamat sa Dios
Hostage response 101: 1. Don’t let anyone communicate with the hostage taker that is known to him, 2. Don’t let a former hostage go back in to do your job. 3 secure your perimeter. 4. Shut down utilities. 5. Use only a trained hostage negotiator. The mistakes made did not get people killed because the suspect was not interested in hurting others not because the police were good at their jobs.
In fairness din talaga kay Mayor Francis Zamora. He was not there just to observe. He was willing to sacrifice his safety at sobrang nakakahanga talaga sya sa aspect na yun. Bibihira ka makakakita ng pulitiko na may ganitong tapang ng loob. Kung sa iba yan, malamang mga pulis pa rin ang pahaharapin sa hostage taker. No wonder kung bakit sya ang pinili ng mga tao compared kay G
Sad people are driven to disasterous measures such as this because of abuse at work, power hungry supervisors and the higher ups turning a blind eye to it all.
What a great documentary. Now, malinaw na sakin kung bakit. Lagi tong nababalita nung 2020. Isa rin talaga sa key takeaways dito na lahat ng trabaho natin ay may kabuluhan, wala tayong karapatan mang baba ng kapwa natin. Dapat rin talaga yung justice system ng bansa natin ay maging fair sana.
In this case, the next hostage taker now knows that there will be a lot of cops in civilian clothes around him no matter what the negotiators say. I think, these negotiators and police men just betrayed the trust of the next hostage takers. They just made the life of the next negotiator harder. It was clear that the hostage taker was calm and was ready to surrender to face the consequences of his actions but some police men are not willing to let go of their opportunity to make name for themselves even if it takes inappropriate action.
Siguro dapat di sinama sa documentary yung strategy. Pero ang pangit ng pagdakip. Mukha ngang nagaantay sya ng huhuli pero mejo brutal yung pagdakma.. Although may baril nga naman kasi. Delikado pa rin
I agree, isang kabobohan din na imention yon dito sa documentary nayon. It was surreal and devastating and yes gusto nila ipamulat kung anong mga mangyayare at pov sa ganong pangyayare pero they’re not mindful for this. I honestly cried for him for that battling for himself pero for them I’m happy also. Sana they not mention that strategy instead it was a mechanism for him to help him and not to harm him. It more highlights the other hostage takers sa anong pede panilang maging mindset.
I just saw this article good job to Mayor Zamora and Gen. you have not done wrong salute to you sir for your clarification testimony. You are amazing .
i really love watching documentaries, especially documentaries that happened in our country. kudos sa production!! sir yebra, you are one of a kind! it was sad lang knowing na you recently passed away last friday (june 21). maraming salamat sir! maraming salamat dahil madami kang nailigtas na pilipino. 🫡
Hindi kc totoong kriminal c Archie Paray...kung accurate killer yan...ceguro marami ng buhay ang nawawala sa mga hostages, pero nanaig pa rin sa kanya ang kabutihan...biktima lng sya sa mga abusadong agency, Hopefully there would be a lesson to learned sa mga corrupt agencies.....❤
😢😢😢sobra kasi ang CORRUPTION sa atin, mula sa Pinakamataas na Posisyon, kahit sa mga PRIVATE COMPANIES ANG CORRUPTION IS WALANG KAPANTAY... NKAKA AWA ANG MGA TAONG NASA IBABA AT DI MAKALABAN , WALANG LAKAS NG LOOB IPAHAYAG UNG KANILANG NARARANASANG PANG AAPI OR PAG TATAKE ADVANTAGE SA KANILA...
This is an eye opener and i wish this issue will be resolved if not minimized. Kudos to the people behind the negotiation for handling it professionally. God bless and protect you all.
POV: sa lahat dapat ay pantay pantay at napapakinggan sa trabaho. Pero ang masakit, minsan mali ang paraan natin para tayo mapakinggan 😢😢😢 sana wag na maulit ang ganitong pangyayari. #bangonpilipinas
Big SALUTE to the negotiator to meyor Zamora to all men in uniform who been part of this mission,to general Cinas,and let be a lesson to everyone that opportunity!habang pinapanuod ko ang eksenang ito,naluluha ako,nakaramdam ako ng awa sa hostage taker dahil sa mga nanyari sa kanya habang nasa serbisyo,at Humanga sa Negotiator dahil sa dedikasyon nya sa kanyang tungkulin at sa kagustuhang makapag ligtas ng buhay..sigurado ako na maraming natuto sa panyayaring ito at mag sisilbing aral sa mga nasa ganitong larangan ng hanap buhay!.
Very good job Mr Mayor and General Yebra (Ret). In the US, all police departments have trained hostage negotiators at the US FBI Academy. I hope more will receive this specialized training in the Philippines. In addition, please issue body cameras and body armor protection to all of your PNP. God Bless all of the victims 🙏
Thank you for airing this because it actually shows light to his cause, it was in fact inhumane; what he did but it was because of that corruption. So thank you for this!
This so sooo crooked! The Negotiator,SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DEMOTED for the luneta hostage event! He cannot control what the hostage taker would have done. Even if you gove EVERYTHING the hostage taker wants, there is ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEE he will do what the people on the other side of that line wants!!!
I do agree with you but that's just how it is, you have the most critical role even though you're not the one who fcked up you're still going to be on the chopping block. responsibilities go up when you take huge risk jobs like these. just think of a new recruit fcking up his job and you're his supervisor, his fck ups is your fck ups.
I don’t think the guys intent was to kill any hostages. His intent was to expose the corruption of his security company. If he hadn’t done this publicly, nobody would know how the security officers go through and the hardships. He was in a lot of pain and it was the only way he will be heard. That saddest part is his colleagues understood where he’s coming from and can’t speak out due to retaliation.
The hostage taker in the luneta hostage crisis also didnt have any intention to harm in the beginning. In fact, he assured the hostages at first that he is just doing this so his voice will be heard. The hostages thought they will be released soon and they can still do some shopping. But because it was handled badly, the wost case scenario happened.
bobo paano mo nasabi na wala siya intensyong pumatay e binaril niya agad yong isang guard.. boo na ang kanyang loob pumatay kaya niya nagawa yan.. buti na lang magaling ang mga negotiator at malaking tulong si mayor.
Love the views the negotiator has, he doesn't only want to save the hostages, he wanted to save the hostage-taker. Really a fresh perspective when it comes a hostage scenario.
Mahirap din kasi matanggap nang trabaho sa Pilipinas. Napaka High Standard pa. Ang liit pa nang sweldo
@@cheesecake7375 mag apply ka lang ng crew sa fastfood dapat bachelors degree kapa WTF hahahha
Back then, that perspective was taught to most civilian hostage-rescue teams. Ika nga, the successful rescue is when you get the hostages and the hostage-takers alive.
@@cheesecake7375So ok lang mamaril? Tarantado!
@@cheesecake7375l❤
this is definitely a lesson sa mga establishment employers na tratuhin ng tama ang mga employees. Worth it panoorin
di lng applied sa employee, kundi sa lahat ng tao, be kind to everyone, wag basta basta magbitaw ng salita na nakakasama.
Alam mo naman uso lagay lagay para Malagay sa gustong pwesto . Mahirap na nga ot utan pa . 😢
@@sRvDjkkg mnmnnmmnmmmnmmmmlmmmm l m mm mm m mm 3:20 😢😮
I live in San Juan City and know Paray or Kuya Arch personally since I go to Greenhills frequently since I was raised in that city. Kuya Arch was just infuriated about him getting fired due to complaints made by people who visit the mall.
During the time he got fired while his financial situation was bad to summarize it here it is:
- Has a wife (His wife is pregnant during that time)
- Child
- If I remember he was in debt too
So there's no reason for him to be fired like that just because of "some" complaints. That's why most of the people who sympathized with him were people from the area (SJC), specifically West Crame which is literally beside the mall. And his team leader kuya Cagais who wasn't mentioned in the video but you know him if you're from Crame wasn't mad at all in fact he got fired even though he helped diffuse the situation.
One of the hostages was also my relative and she told me Kuya Arch wasn't scary at all in fact he was kind to the hostages, and the fact that the hostage that was interviewed at the end only cried due to shock and fear, and in the end sympathized with Kuya Arch because she knew his situation. And when the retired police BGEN said it was never their intention to "eliminate" Kuya Arch and had no SWAT personnel in the vicinity except for the ones who attempted to apprehend him. Well, first things first, the area has a rooftop surrounding the place where Kuya Arch talked to the media, and my cousin who was on-scene (not the hostage) saw SWAT snipers positioned and ready to shoot Kuya Arch if he pulls the gun on his waist. And when Kuya Arch was brought to prison let me inform you all that after a few days/weeks Kuya Arch's "CHILD" died because he was unable to pay for the hospital bills.
The fact that they lack the background and history of the hostage taker is crazy. And to inform you all he's still in San Juan Prison and his trial is being held in Pasig which takes so long. Anyways, if sources online say he was 40 during the hostage-taking, first of all, he ain't that old during the hostage-taking he was still 32, now Kuya Arch should be 35. He should still have 3-4 years in Prison.
Thanks for informing yourself by reading this entire thing I made what @SJ-fz3hr also commented is true and 100% factual.
Anyways the fact that the Police Brigadier General Yebra responded, I truly respect him since he kept true to his words and the only person who angered kuya Arch is Mayor Zamora not gonna lie. Sir Yebra you're a true police officer though you had a few slip-ups in the past you learned the hard way, you still tried your best we're still humans after all. 🎖
Although what he did was really wrong, my heart still aches for him. Condolences to his family for the loss of his child.😢😭
It’s sad that the corruption is real. Do you know what the complaints about him that got him fired? I don’t think his intentions were to kill hostages or he would’ve killed one or two. His intentions was to publicly expose and shame the government and his security company. That being said, Gofundme should’ve been started by the Phillipino people to help him. His child died in the hospital is all around sad.
@@TheHailstorm77 I'm not really aware but it's some mall guest complaining about how he treats other mall staff better than guests. I've only heard it from some guards days after the incident.
This info is not accurate. His child died two years BEFORE this hostage taking.
Kudos to police negotiator Gen. Orlando Yebra despite a scarred by a past crisis that gone tragically wrong he was able to rise to the occasion do his job well and to San Juan City Mayor Francis Zamora for time of facing the hostage situation and coming on top resulting in a more favorable outcome. Bravo guys, God bless.
grabe iyak ko dito 😭😭😭 may mga mabuting tao naman na nkkagawa lang ng masama dahil sa problemang di na nila kayang dalhin. saludo sa lahat ng umayos neto. lalo na sa nkkipagusap sa kanya.
Upo tama po kayo .. 😢😢😢
Sino Yung guard na naghostage.
@@Leizel-r3d Nanood ka ba o nanood ka?
mabait yan c archie paray matagal ko rin naging ka buddy yan sa trabaho matuwid at mahinahong tao yan talagang hindi niya lang kinaya ang kurapsyon jan sa security agency ni pinag trabahuhan niya wala kasing maglakas ang loob na magsalita sa mga maling pamamalakad ng agency na yan!
hahahahaha so ok yun????
Marami pong Salamat CNA for this wonderful take on this incident. I just hope and pray that Mr. Alchie Paray will be given a fair system and wouldn’t experience any unjust representation. I’ve seen some of his interviews, and it seems like he’s a sincere man. He’s been wronged and I guess he’s already at his wits end. 2026, I aspire him to become a better person, achieve forgiveness, wellness and success in life. For all the Employers and the higher Management, be Ethical! After all, people is one of the most important resource for any organization (small or big). Integrate both of your EQ and IQ.
Nakaka iyak sa huli😢 nakaka awa si kuya .
Sana maging lesson sa lahat to.
Hope kuya paray okay kana ngayon kahit nasa kulungan ka
always pray po. mabait ka po na tao.
God always there for you😇
patay na un isang anak niya dahil walang pambayad sa ospital habang nakakulong siya
@@raiquiaarbiter7974 Hala totoo po? 😩😭
@@raiquiaarbiter7974, tlga po ?😢😢😢
Actually he was a victim of bad management. And his family was a second victim. Managers ang business owners will never got good income if there are no people under them. Their productions came from effort of lowly workers. @@raiquiaarbiter7974
I like the fact that the hostage negotiator got the chance to redeem himself and even after that he remained selfless. His so called failure before became his biggest lesson and made him what he is today.
Honestly it wasn't even totally his fault. While we don't know the full circumstances of why the hostage taker at Luneta wouldn't back down, we do know for a fact that the swat team demonstrated some of the worst tactics when it comes to tubular assault.
@@majorminor8557agreed to this! 💯
Aside from SWAT, some TV networks are also responsible to the deadly Luneta bus hostage crisis. Simply because they became the hostage taker's live camera and he went up mad when the media covered how his brother was hurt by the authorities.
@@majorminor8557responding to this there was a very nice documentary about this hostage taking. Please search "Tragediaries" he has only 3 videos, and one if them is about the Quirino grandstand hostage taking.
Additionally, the slow and poor response of the government officials (mayor ba yun?) in response to his demands. Nasa bakasyon pa ata
I worked as a guard in one of the most successful mall chains and I can testify kung gaano ka liit ang tingin ng mga client sa mga guard. Halos walang day off kasi walang tao kadalasan once or twice a month lang our duty is 12 hour duty. Kailangan mong pumasok 30 minutes early UNPAID for the discussion na paulit ulit naman cyempre sasabihin nila na agency dapat namin ang sumagot doon but get this evey time na dumarating daily time record namin na AUTOMATED Hindi kasama yung 30minutes. Nung anniversary nila pinag duty kami hindi bayad for 4 hours binantaan pa kami ng direct hire na security supervisor "agency na ang bahala sa inyo". At once ireklamo ka ng customer kahit sa napakaliit na bagay kahit ikaw ang tama walang papanig sayo kung mali ka mali ka kung tama ka mali ka parin.
Kaya sana yung mga mayayamang tao dyan please just try to be nice sa mga guard kasi at the end of the day mayayaman parin naman kayo ehh.
tama ka pre yun lang
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our profession, is the most exploited... guard for 18 years.. very tight qualifications but no extra compensation.. mabuhay ang mga security guard na Pilipino!
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Manager nga namin sa mall sobrang bobo .. mapagmataas kase nga manager .. kala mo kung sino di pa nag sasalita ng bisaya puro English na wrong grammar .. yung spelling nga nya sa 'tuck in " ay "tack in" .. nakikipag contest pa sya kase Tama daw spelling nya ayun pinakitaan ko ng mga awards ko at medals ko nung high school kasama na yung best in English awards ko Tas sabay left sa group chat namin Tas ilang araw lang nag resign ako kase sobrang hambog ng manager bobo naman .. 😂
I remember this guy way back 2009 dalawa lang kami sa site that time. Napakabait na tao yang kaya nalungkot ako dahil nagawa nya yan. Sa pagkakakilala ko sa kanya may problema sya sa work and family nya. Mahirap ang buhay nya kaya sya nag bakasakali sa maynila. Matagal na syang security guard and I remember also about his agency's na minsan hindi sila patas sa mga Tao nila.. I hope his okay now
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Wla naman ng yari sa ginawa nya hanggang ngaun miron paring mga agency na hindi patas
kailan po ito nangyari
Kahit po gaanong kabait ng isang Tao, basta inargabyado, nakakaisip ng di maganda, yan po yun sinasabing ganti ng api,
Ka sad oi looya sa mga kabos bwesit mangd Ning Pilipinas gamay Pag sweldo nya ang trabaho kapoy kaayo puryagaba
I feel what the hostage taker was going through. My husband was a former security guard and unfair and unjust practices really happens inside the security agency. Example: Delayed Salary, No Overtime Pay and Too many overtime work etc. tapos alisin sa work kung ayaw sundin gusto ng supervisor na super demanding.
Very wrong ginawa Niya but that Action shows how injustice can push a person to do wrong. Hopefully, that's an eye opener for security agencies. And hoping every now and then agencies would be monitored.
Sana ganyan,imonitor ang mga security agencies,SG din kc anak ko diyan sa Manila,imbis my trabaho,parati humihingi ng pera sa akin kc delayed parati ang sueldo,tapos palipat2 ng area,nagrent lng xa ng room,paano na ang pagkain,tubig,pamasahe niya,sakit sa dibdib bilang ina na nasa malayo ang anak,tapos my text na tubig na lng iniinom niya,wala na xa makain😢😢😢
very true
What he did is wrong, morally and legally but let this be a STRONG reminder to employers. You are managing people not machines. You have to be a leader and not a boss. Mahirap isantabi ang sarili bago ang iba pero bilang supervisor or manager, ikaw ang bridge between the company and your people. You have to make sure that good communication is there. On every corporate decision, hindi lahat tatanggapin yun. It’s a blend of accommodating, compassion and decisive. Also, you have to be just and maintain integrity. Remember, you also leave a legacy sa mga tao mo. Mahirap yung may disgruntled employee ka dahil hindi ka naging just and nawala ang integrity mo.
He needs to go to jail and learn that he cannot just hostage just because
@@flyingwithanything27 no one disagrees with that, op's point is that something's wrong with the work culture and it pushes vulnerable people in society to do unimaginable things like this, and that needs to be addressed *too*
salute ❤
Sana yung nasa gobyerno hindi pera pera lang para sa sarili nilang interes katulad nyan napilitan na yung guard gumawa ng ganyan.. pansin nyo noon Hanggang Ngayon yung mga nangyare na ganyan eh lumalabas na hayaam na makakalimutan naman ng tao yan, kaya walang aksyon
Even if they're managing machines, it's still important to take appreciation of those working for them. At the very least, appreciation. But it's better to have respect and compassion. Which rarely ever happens and I hate it. It's the least they can do if they didn't wanna pay their employees well.
Congratulations to the maker of this video. It was so clear, balanced and very well-done. Kudos to the producer.
The guy's story resonated with a lot of security personnel. What he did is wrong and he should go to jail. But, what he said about his backstory really drove home the point that many guards like him are paid starvation wages by security agencies. they are paid minimum salaries. About 15,000 Pesos or 350-360 SG dollars per month. They aren't regular workers and despite existing regulations that would say otherwise, they are terminated by bosses at whim.
I'm curious if the situation has improved today. Did what he do somehow help the security guards?
@@gerivega no lol
not even 15,000 pesos
the situation is still the same for min. wage workers like security personnel, in fact, even worse because of inflation.
So sadly this attempted social outcry by the hostage taker did not have any effect. @@gerivega
why is his wage still 15000 pesos when his already in a city or does he squandered all his money on gambling and women?
i come from indonesia, but this guy story hits home. many employers/higher ups think that staffs and employees are just dispensable pieces they can do whatever they want. when someone get fired / lay-off the reason could be anything the employers want no matter how good they do the job and good attitude. staffs / employees hardwork to make the workplace better often never get even a praise or notice by anyone instead gets expected to work more than our work hours
Just be thankful that he is not inherently evil! But I bet not all of those who apologize are genuinely apologetic.
Sir Yebra, you are one of a kind. Calm and collected and so humble and so soft spoken and I can see in your eyes the empathy to the disgruntled security guard. 👏👏👏
seems nobody has mentioned this but salute also to the employee that was able to escape but the cops had him go back in and talk to the people hiding in the women's restroom!
Probably the dumbest police tactic I ever heard lol. Let’s just command the escapee to return to where he was being held captive 🤣.
@chrislopez218 I personally think it was not a dumb move. If I was one of those employees hiding in the cubicle, heard someone unfamiliar, I would hesitate to go out, thinking he maybe the unknown hostage taker pretending to be a cop. Kudos to the employee who decided to go back to save more of his colleagues.
True thank you nalang at matapang pa sya. Despite being a hostage din
Yebra is not at fault with the Luneta hostage taking, it was the media. They are broadcasting what's happening outside the bus and the meeting of the officials. The hostage taker knew everything cause the tour bus has tv inside. They should've stopped the live broadcast so that the hostage taker won't see where the police are coming, even the practice drill for how the police will get inside the bus was broadcasted. 8 people died because media wants the latest "scoop".
Yes he's not even tho he's the negotiator he dont have the control of the situation the higher ups just eating at restaurant while he's negotiating
Same mistake the media did on Quirino Bus Hostage Crisis wayback 2010.
And yes, Yebra was really made a mistake that time. He lied to Mendoza, which led to other people to negotiate.
@@clintbasalo11 may natutunan nman sya. at inako nman nya uung pagkakamali na yun.
@@nexus6406you mean pigs?
ang lahat na negotiations doon sa LUNETA hostage ay PALPAK!!! LAHAT GRANDSTANDING LALO MGA MEDIA!!!
Successful!... Congrats for sa lahat at pati kay Mayor... salamat at naging maayos lahat...😊
I cried so hard while watching this .. salute to all the officers and also to the brave mayor❤
As a retired senior detective myself, it is clear that there were just too many people trying to get involved in this case to try and make a name for themselves. The only people who should have been involved were the negotiator and few few experienced operatives to gather information from escapees. Everybody else needs to take a step back and let the trained experts do their jobs. And that means the senior officers butting out, too. It's not a media op for senior officers to try and publicise themselves.
I agree. In the Philippines these bigwigs think unfortunately that they are helping but they might even make this volatile situation worse. Maybe awareness is key.
One thing im speculating is the reason they are meddling is because of the heads that will roll once this situation went haywire.
My 2 cents.
Politicians too were a nuisance as well. They wanted to use the incident as a publicity stunt. Shameless to be honest!
Welcome to the Philippines where there is like this situation those are "MARITES" even there is an encounter between the military and terrorist you can see this scenario
People like to be seen, to be heard even if it is unnecessary. It is in the culture.
Exactly!!!!!! I honestly think these incidents should prompt a specialized team to handle such cases. If these big officials are involved, not only are they causing confusion they all add to the pressure of those who are handling the case first hand.
Wow the actor and his build was so alike the hostage taker. Great job CNA on producing the documentary including all the footages and give a well balanced view. Was amazed at how they managed to get someone who had reported both the luneta and greenhill incident, and link both incidents well. Including the negotiator who happened to be present in both incidents and shared the differences and what had been learnt.
Good Job CNA for reenacting scenes. ABS CBN or GMA 7 could never-
I remember this happening during the pre pandemic scare, was monitoring the news overseas then this news pop out. The negotiator Gen. Yebra Jr, did learned his lesson the hard way from the tragic Luneta hostage situation. And the outcome was nearly perfect beside the injured supervisor. My heart goes out to the hostage taker with his grievance on abuse and injustice from his supervisor and agency (which sadly happens often than not), and to the hostages who suffered trauma and/or mental health issues after the incident.
yung sa luneta isa ang media sa dahilan kaya hindi naging okay ang resulta nun , nasira diskarte ng negotiator kasi na monitor ng hostage taker ang nangyayare sa paligid
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Npaka professional ni Sir Yebra and talagang Sincere sya sa lahat during and after the incident.
Pasalamat parin ang lahat talagang mabait parin ang guard.walang planong manakit sa sibilyan kahit kanyang kasiraan
Naiiyak ako.. Salute sa negotiators Sir!! Kay Sir Archie Paray kung nababasa mo po ito isasama kita sa prayers ko po tonight.. Godbless po Sir Archie🙏🙏 tama po mga pinaglalaban ninyo ngunit mali lang po ng paraan pero lahat naman nagkakamali.. At alam ko po na humingi kana ng tawad.. Sana po di na maulit ang mga ganito.. Mahirap talaga po ang laban ng buhay.. Mga injustices pero kaya natin tong labanan in good ways.. In the end walang masamang nanalo.. What goes aroud comes around. LAW OF KARMA
Tinapos ko ito at napansin kong lahst ay ginampaman angkanilang papel ng tama!
Ano ginagawa ng pinoys dito.
Kailan po nangyari ito??
@@rose-anndurano7651 3 years ago
Dahil kasi sa music background
More praise and respect to our brave hostage negotiators. Thank you for the mayor of San Juan City and to Gen. Orlando Yebra and more Glory to our Almighty God in granting our prayers of peaceful outcome to this troubled world. And thanks to our police and SWAT team for being at the ready to safe guards our communities.
The journalist sounds like he was blaming the negotiator. The one who has to blame on that day luneta hostage incident was the media and authorities that allowed them to televised what is going on he saw on tv inside the bus theres snipers and really pissed of the hostage taker and that ruined the negotiations.
napakingan din nya sa radyo na hinaharas ung kapatid nya at dun na sya nag simula na mag paputok nung narinig nya sa radyo ung kapatid nya
hindi. pinutok kc pakinggan mo ung last na sinabi ni raffy tima. un ung karugtong non .
Media tlga may kasalanan nyan nung 2010 hostage crisis pinakita nila yung kapatid na inaresto kya ngwala yung Mendoza at nAmaril sayang nga eh sana pinalapit ang media pra sila nlng mabaril tutal mga gago nmn yng mga reporter n yan
He was not blaming the negotiator. He just stated his apprehensions bec this will be handled by the same negotiator, Gen Yebra.
Mabuhay ka SG PARAY. The hardest part of our job as a security guard is dealing with stupid people
? Kasi yung s Hostage ng Bus alam ko po kung kailan nangyare . Pero ito dko po alam anong taon po ito?
@phoebesuzuki8959 it's 2020 daw po, di ko nga din nabalitaan
I can't really blame the frustration that people here in the Philippines feel.
I have friends who were supposed to receive a covid bonus because they worked for a certain hospital and they were supposed to get it last year (2022) but here's what happened.
They received only half of the bonus in the middle of the year but it was deducted because of "additional expenses".
The other half? They're still waiting until now and it's going to be 2024 in 2 days.
It's literally survival of the fittest here in the Philippines.
Me? I don't work for anyone anymore. I work for myself. It's hard, but at least I don't have to pretend like I like my boss and supervisors and pretend like they're such amazing people.
Totoo yan. Nakakagalit, sa totoo lang. Kumita mga ospital noong pandemia, tapos mga stockholder lang tumatanggap ng malaking pera. 😢
Sad to see that a person was pushed to his limits and did what he did because how our society works. Don't get me wrong, Paray should still be liable on what he did. But, our system/policies are made by humans, and it should be in favor of the wellness and well-being of people. However, this is not the case and that pushed Paray to do this and after all he did, nothing has changed.
My uncles are security guards, and they would work 12 hours per shift and if their buddy can't go to work they'll be covering that shift too. Imagine security guards in the Philippines are holding guns, but they lack proper rest and sleep and on top of that they are underpaid and most often contractuals.
Correct
SG here...I agree 👍
toxic co league, OIC, Superior of the Agencies, minsan client management...lahat yan tinitiis namin manatili lamang na may laman ang kaldero sa bahay.
Panay reklamo kayo sa trabaho. Lahat ng tao hirap sa buhay at trabaho. Kayong mga sg ang laki ng sweldo nyo kayo pa ang mareklamo
Kung hindi nyo kaya amgtrabaho wag na kayo magtrabaho. Maraming kailangan ng trabaho
@Raffy Tima in 2010, you might want to mention that it was the media who triggered the hostage taker to shoot by showing his brother on live tv being held on. So, it was not solely the negotiators’ responsibility.
Yeah, as if the media is not one of the biggest factor it escalated. They basically were undoing the negotiation progress.
ABSCBN ang naunang nag publicize that time
@@Armuandist isn't it ABSCBN also the one who put their cameras in front of the bus to get the biggest scoop? fckin assholes only thinking of themselves when other people's lives are in grave danger
I can relate so much to this guy but of course what he did was wrong and unlawful.
I worked as a security guard for 10 years and I've witness and experience myself how poorly we are treated by the agency and the company that we are serving. Here in the Philippines, as a security guard, we rarely get respect from people that we are protecting, and most are annoyed with the security protocols we are implementing. Only few people appreciate the work and effort we put to it that's why I resigned and got a new career.
Naiyak ako sinabi ni sir kailangan buhay to😢😢 good job sir kahit gaano kalaki pa kasalanan ng tao hindi dapat buhay ipapa palit 😊
Kahit patayin klang kahit sino sa pamilya mo? Masabi mo pa kaya yan?
Well done Gen. Yebra for orchestrating the negotiations. You redeemed yourself. Mabuhay ka Mayor Zamora that was a risky thing to do. You're a hero! I hope Paray gets justice. Too bad he will be charged for homicide. Updates pls. Sana me counselling sa mga na-hostage.
Had no idea something this dramatic had happened so recently. Thanks for the deep dive, CNA!
this happened 3 years ago. i dont know why CNA recycled the story just to make Phillippines look bad.
natabunan ng covid. bago mag outbreak to nangyari, natural naging mas malaking news kaya ayun di masyado nakalaganap
I personally know someone who was a hostage. Some facts she shared:
- the negotiations that calmed Alchie down were mostly thanks to the hostages inside. In her opinion the police and mayor just prolonged the situation.
- the bosses that publicly apologized werent fired
- the mall’s security agency was fired, all guard were replaced.
- Alchie asked for Jollibee for the hostages, but were only given bread from mercury (store next to the exit). Then police had jollibee after 😂
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Lol. If those hostages calmed him down why did he not surrender right away? I think you are just demonizing the police officer and the mayor. 😂😂😂
@@kalibre.2228 it was her experience and her opinion man, not mine.
Another Fun fact, the mall said they will move the admin office after the incident, but its been 3 yrs and they havent moved 🤣🤣🤣
it would be stupid to think the hostage taker will just walked out and surrender by just a mere talk-nu-jutsu by them, the hostages, "nakalabas na sana kami kanina pa kung walang mga pulis or civilian negotiator" - ano yun nang trip lang ganun?
also it's not a good idea to always give in sa mga demand ng hostage-taker as it will only make him more demanding, the officers need to maintain a control in the situation even when they have to lie just to think that they gave him what he asked for.
best production for this channel
the hardest part of the scene is being the negtiator, salute to you sir, thankyou for your service
Monster/ Sinners are indeed created, not born. 😢 Healing prayers to everyone who was in the incident specially to the hostage taker. 🙏🏻
To all negotiators
Saludo po ako sa inyo. Sinusuong po ninyo ang buhay sa kaligtasan ng kapwa.
Pagpalain po nawa kayo ng Panginoog Diyos.
To God be the glory.
10/10 Documentation prang pang Hollywood.
Thank you general and to mayor at sa lahat ng team
I was a former Security guard somewhere in NCR Metro manila. Nagulat ako na kahit sa manila maraming hindi DOLE Rate magpasahod na ahensya kahit na established na ung kompanyang napasukan mo. Nakakaawa kmi na 620 ung 12 hrs namin tapos di bayad ang OT. Thank u na lng. Very emotionally draining pa ung work lalo na ung ibang kawork mo.
Yes , Maraming salamat Sa mga Pulis at sa mga negotiators ,na Safe talaga Ang Lahat.. Salamat Wala Rin nangyari Sa Guard. . naawa man tayo sa kanya, pero Dapat rin naman ma pAnagutan nya ang mga pangyayRi.. so pray tayo sa taas lagi..Salamat po.
It's strange for me not remembering or at least hearing this incident happened considering that I was working in Manila during that time. All I can recall from that month was there was already a case of local transmission of Covid-19 (and it coincidentally started there in Greenhills) and the whole country was about to be put on quarantine/lock down 2 weeks after that hostage taking incident. So I'm quite shocked to know right now that this incident happened and it somehow escaped my memory
Same. I had so many friends in San Juan City pero di rin sila aware dito. Maybe dahil nakafocus ang mga taon sa COVID news that time kaya natabunan na yung ibang news
Yeah me too.. 😲
obviously they want to keep it on the down low, so they probably didnt tell much people.
me too
SALAMAT Buddy SA Sacrifice mo na maging Boses nating MGA Naaaping gwardya
Bagaman nakakulong kna ngayon Sana balang araw ay makalaya Ka at mkpagbagong Buhay Bagong pagasa 😊🙏
Dalawin nyu po si buddy at bigyan ng ayuda..ng dahil sa kanya nalaman ang katiwalian or na voice out sa pinaka ukulan
Well detailed, well made. There's snippets and behind the scenes footage frok the actual incident. Kudos to CNA for making such a spectacular documentary.
What can improve this further is to include the actual statements of Paray and he himself be interviewed to get his side of the story. Since he is reknowned as the "Pinoy Joker".
What a nice true and documentary story. The bottom line. Employers should be fair and just and should have a fair big bosses of the company and treat lowly employess fairly. Dapat sana yung sa Luneta incident yung simplengvkahilingan na kaya naman. Pinagbigyan na lang wala pang namatay. Mas heavy damage tuloy ang naging outcome. Saludo ako sa police officer na negotiator and kay Mayor Francis Zamora. Nag work dati ako dyan sa Greenhills sa Greenhills Elan Hotel at nagcicimba pa ako dyan sa Chapel kaya i loved that place. Very proffessional ang pag handle. Felt may divine intervention jse nakita ko nag sign of the cross si Mayor and honest and pure ang intention ni Police Negotiator. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. THANKS
SALUTE TO NEGOTIATORS GOOD TEAM WORK.... GOD BLESS US ALL...
The General went through some difficult experiences especially with that hostage taking that ended in tragedy. But in the end, I think he's a decent man who's really good with his job.
parang ang yabang pa rin nitong Raffy Tima na ito, akala mo walang naging ambag sa kapalpakan sa Luneta.
The Greenhills area (GH Mall, V-Mall, Promenade, and Shoppesville) is like having Sim Lim, Bugis, Funan, and Plaza Singapura crammed into 16 hectares. Compared to the clusterfuck of 2010 in Luneta, this was much better handled.
The problem with Luneta was that way too many people wanted to handle the situation their way: The idiot Mayor of Manila who used to be the chief of Police and acted as if he’s still running the Police, the media at a time when they empowered themselves to broadcast everything to everyone including the perpetrator who saw everything on the bus TV, the Vice Mayor of Manila who had no business being there but decided to pull strings to get some demands of the perpetrator met, and the Police themselves who should be running the negotiations but were relegated to spectators behind politicians and the media.
For Greenhills, there was just breaking news in the morning … no news coverage throughout the entire day… and it ended with most people forgetting that it actually happened. It also helped that the San Juan Mayor is a young, first timer with no intention of looking like a hero.
i remembered the time when the media broadcasts the position of the SWAT snipers to the hostage taker, when I saw on TV that they've broadcasted the snipers I just face palmed thinking this shit's going to blow up real bad, the current chief of police, the mayor and all their underlings have the gall to go to a posh resto because "it's time to have lunch, our fatasses are tired because our brain is 20% smaller than normal". the police strike team at that time doesn't even consider the bus' structure, where to enter and where to ambush, they tried breaking the glass and throw a smoke grenade and miss the hole like a moron, probably due to panic because the gunman started executing everyone on the bus when he saw on the news his brother and son getting dragged like an animal
I think Raffy should not blame the main negotiator during the luneta bus incident, its mostly the fault of the media broadcasting on real time, the swat position while the hostage taker watch in the bus tv that agitated him the more. The media should have a consensus on the proper way to handle reporting during hostage crisis to help rather than escalate tension.
Raffy Tulfo himself also meddled with the negatioations and was able to get some statements from Mendoza.
Kahit matagal na tong ngyari n ngayon ko lng napanood n hanga ako sa kaganapan n mahusay na pghandle sa hostage taker..God bless u n more power sa lahat ng ngnegotiates.
Grabe yung production. Gold ❤️
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For me in this kind of hostage senario in Philippines
SAF: is the best unit to handle this situations they have proper training and equipment they act fast and plan strategically good for infiltrations
SWAT: have training and equipments too but for me they are much better at just securing the parameter in the area
POLICE: just a big NO!!! the most corrupt unit no one trust this one
Beautiful documentary. You were able to capture both sides of the coin. Great cuts and transitions as well. Thank you for this.
Grievances in the Philippines is not isolated case but ramdom part of labor prantices in the Philippines... generally thats why Filipinos goes abroad for betterment of the family..in society even in abroad.."..wag kang magtiwala sa kapwa Filipino dahil sila mismo magsasammak sayo'
not applicable on every workforce here in ph but yeah minimum age workers might apply this,
Naks naman may character development. Congratulations for saving both lives.
I was offended by how Sir Tima try to put the blame on Sir Yebra regarding the Luneta Hostage Taking.
Brilliant docu.! Excellent job, Gen. Yerba, Mayor Zamora and Gen. Sinas!!! So proud of the outcome. Our sympathy is with Alchie, pero mali ang paraan niya. Salamat at buhay siya at sana magbago na ang patakbo ng Security Agencies sa poor pay, long hours etc etc sa mga SG.😢 Sana na save din si Capt. Mendoza noong 2010 kung ganito ka propesyonal ang proseso ng negosasyon. It was so tragic. RIP Capt. M. May God rest your soul. 🕯🙏🕯
Ha? Si Sinas nga nagpa-gulo dyan sa negotiation 🤣
SANA LAGING MAY MGA GANITONG DOCUMENTARY TAYONG MAPAPANUOD! Super intense tlga para akong nanunuod ng action movie pero totoong totoo! wala edit walang cut! good job po s lahat!
Excellent negotiating skills. This i is the text book example how to handle the hostage situation. Bravo. More power to you Sir...
great documentary. thanks to the journalist for a good overview of the situation. i hope alchie is still okay.
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Nka kaBilib c Gen Negotiator may puso keep up d good work sir,,i salute u....❤❤❤
Salute Mayor Zamora and General Yebra God Bless you po.
I saw gen.Nebra.sa news sa luneta hostages crisis..iBang case lang un ...I salute u sir
Well experienced tlga kayo.dapat bgyan po Kyo Ng
Parangal at c mayor zamra
Dahil Walang namatay pati
Hostage taker...Salamat sa Dios
Hostage response 101: 1. Don’t let anyone communicate with the hostage taker that is known to him, 2. Don’t let a former hostage go back in to do your job. 3 secure your perimeter. 4. Shut down utilities. 5. Use only a trained hostage negotiator. The mistakes made did not get people killed because the suspect was not interested in hurting others not because the police were good at their jobs.
Ang galing mo bata. Para kang miron sa larong dama na alam daw ang lahat pero pag nasa actual na e, wala rin.
@@rickmcright5815Galing mo din umepal no ungas?
@@rickmcright581525 years of police work in California says I’m not a kid.
I don't see the mistakes made, mind educating me with your 25 years of police experience in California?
Not interested in hurting others? He literally shot a supervisor
In fairness din talaga kay Mayor Francis Zamora. He was not there just to observe. He was willing to sacrifice his safety at sobrang nakakahanga talaga sya sa aspect na yun. Bibihira ka makakakita ng pulitiko na may ganitong tapang ng loob. Kung sa iba yan, malamang mga pulis pa rin ang pahaharapin sa hostage taker. No wonder kung bakit sya ang pinili ng mga tao compared kay G
Sad people are driven to disasterous measures such as this because of abuse at work, power hungry supervisors and the higher ups turning a blind eye to it all.
Salute sir Yebra you deserve a recognition for your work
What a great documentary. Now, malinaw na sakin kung bakit. Lagi tong nababalita nung 2020.
Isa rin talaga sa key takeaways dito na lahat ng trabaho natin ay may kabuluhan, wala tayong karapatan mang baba ng kapwa natin.
Dapat rin talaga yung justice system ng bansa natin ay maging fair sana.
In this case, the next hostage taker now knows that there will be a lot of cops in civilian clothes around him no matter what the negotiators say. I think, these negotiators and police men just betrayed the trust of the next hostage takers. They just made the life of the next negotiator harder.
It was clear that the hostage taker was calm and was ready to surrender to face the consequences of his actions but some police men are not willing to let go of their opportunity to make name for themselves even if it takes inappropriate action.
Hmm
Siguro dapat di sinama sa documentary yung strategy. Pero ang pangit ng pagdakip. Mukha ngang nagaantay sya ng huhuli pero mejo brutal yung pagdakma..
Although may baril nga naman kasi. Delikado pa rin
I agree, isang kabobohan din na imention yon dito sa documentary nayon. It was surreal and devastating and yes gusto nila ipamulat kung anong mga mangyayare at pov sa ganong pangyayare pero they’re not mindful for this. I honestly cried for him for that battling for himself pero for them I’m happy also. Sana they not mention that strategy instead it was a mechanism for him to help him and not to harm him. It more highlights the other hostage takers sa anong pede panilang maging mindset.
salute to police officers negotiators Gen Yerba, Mayor Zamora and Gen Debold thank you for saving the live of the hostages and even the hostage taker.
I just saw this article good job to Mayor Zamora and Gen. you have not done wrong salute to you sir for your clarification testimony. You are amazing .
Salute Sa lahat ng nag negotiate..walang buhay na nawala..maraming salamat..that's a good job..
i really love watching documentaries, especially documentaries that happened in our country. kudos sa production!! sir yebra, you are one of a kind! it was sad lang knowing na you recently passed away last friday (june 21). maraming salamat sir! maraming salamat dahil madami kang nailigtas na pilipino. 🫡
Salute to all the team who did thier best to save lives most especially to Sir Orlando Yebra..Long live Sir and stay healthy po❤
Hindi kc totoong kriminal c Archie Paray...kung accurate killer yan...ceguro marami ng buhay ang nawawala sa mga hostages, pero nanaig pa rin sa kanya ang kabutihan...biktima lng sya sa mga abusadong agency, Hopefully there would be a lesson to learned sa mga corrupt agencies.....❤
😢😢😢sobra kasi ang CORRUPTION sa atin, mula sa Pinakamataas na Posisyon, kahit sa mga PRIVATE COMPANIES ANG CORRUPTION IS WALANG KAPANTAY... NKAKA AWA ANG MGA TAONG NASA IBABA AT DI MAKALABAN , WALANG LAKAS NG LOOB IPAHAYAG UNG KANILANG NARARANASANG PANG AAPI OR PAG TATAKE ADVANTAGE SA KANILA...
Kudos to the negotiator, the mayor, the policemen ..and the media.. this is worth watching.. ❤️
This is an eye opener and i wish this issue will be resolved if not minimized. Kudos to the people behind the negotiation for handling it professionally. God bless and protect you all.
POV: sa lahat dapat ay pantay pantay at napapakinggan sa trabaho. Pero ang masakit, minsan mali ang paraan natin para tayo mapakinggan 😢😢😢 sana wag na maulit ang ganitong pangyayari. #bangonpilipinas
Big SALUTE to the negotiator to meyor Zamora to all men in uniform who been part of this mission,to general Cinas,and let be a lesson to everyone that opportunity!habang pinapanuod ko ang eksenang ito,naluluha ako,nakaramdam ako ng awa sa hostage taker dahil sa mga nanyari sa kanya habang nasa serbisyo,at Humanga sa Negotiator dahil sa dedikasyon nya sa kanyang tungkulin at sa kagustuhang makapag ligtas ng buhay..sigurado ako na maraming natuto sa panyayaring ito at mag sisilbing aral sa mga nasa ganitong larangan ng hanap buhay!.
Very good job Mr Mayor and General Yebra (Ret). In the US, all police departments have trained hostage negotiators at the US FBI Academy. I hope more will receive this specialized training in the Philippines. In addition, please issue body cameras and body armor protection to all of your PNP. God Bless all of the victims 🙏
Thank you for airing this because it actually shows light to his cause, it was in fact inhumane; what he did but it was because of that corruption. So thank you for this!
Malaki impact sa ginawa nya, na halungkat lahat ng mga pang aabuso ng security guard agency
para sa mga amo/boss na hindi sapat magpasweldo at para sa mga nakakaranas ng injustice❤
Tama po kayo lesson s mga Amo . .kya nagAbroad nlng ako wlng mangyyare s Pilipinas sobrang Liit ng Sahod❤
Mali ang paraan para maiparating nya ang mensahe. Ang lesson ay hindi lang para sa management kundi para na rin sa mga employees.
This so sooo crooked! The Negotiator,SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DEMOTED for the luneta hostage event! He cannot control what the hostage taker would have done. Even if you gove EVERYTHING the hostage taker wants, there is ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEE he will do what the people on the other side of that line wants!!!
The luneta hostagecrisis negotiation failed because of the media they broadcast everything live! And they had television on that bus.
I do agree with you but that's just how it is, you have the most critical role even though you're not the one who fcked up you're still going to be on the chopping block. responsibilities go up when you take huge risk jobs like these. just think of a new recruit fcking up his job and you're his supervisor, his fck ups is your fck ups.
Much respect and admiration for the Philippines SWAT team. Salute and ❤ from Malaysia
Thank you CNA Insider.
A lawyer with a briefcase steals more money than a man with a gun
Salamat archi,at na bigyn ng pansin un problem ng mga sg
I remember this incident, it was just days before the dreaded covid lockdown that's probably why it's now pretty much forgotten.
Wow! I love how you made this documentary!
Many thanks for the humane approach in the nego process, although much anxiety and trauma were caused there was no loss of life. God is good.
i dont watch documentary, but this one captured mg attention. worth watching
Luneta hostage taking incident was a real fresh thing even me when i was younger . Di ko parin makalimutan yun
oo nga ehh isa sa nakakakilabot na hostage ..
As a negotiator its not easy to stand between life and death situation
I don’t think the guys intent was to kill any hostages. His intent was to expose the corruption of his security company. If he hadn’t done this publicly, nobody would know how the security officers go through and the hardships. He was in a lot of pain and it was the only way he will be heard. That saddest part is his colleagues understood where he’s coming from and can’t speak out due to retaliation.
The hostage taker in the luneta hostage crisis also didnt have any intention to harm in the beginning. In fact, he assured the hostages at first that he is just doing this so his voice will be heard. The hostages thought they will be released soon and they can still do some shopping. But because it was handled badly, the wost case scenario happened.
bobo paano mo nasabi na wala siya intensyong pumatay e binaril niya agad yong isang guard.. boo na ang kanyang loob pumatay kaya niya nagawa yan.. buti na lang magaling ang mga negotiator at malaking tulong si mayor.
This is so relatable in the current society. A lot of lessons can be learned from the situation. CNA job well done for this documentary.
Most of the worst employers here are Chinese esp in Binondo. No benefits no day off and only paid 30%-60% of the minimum wage.
This is giving me Gotham vibes. The Mayor, Media, Police presence, Hostages, and The JOKER