uhhhh... considering danganronpa: goodbye despair is based entirely on lies built upon lies, (made them think that they were just getting to the academy, made hajime think he had a talent because he was there with the ultimates, Chiaki was an AI "traitor", they were in a simulation, no one ever told them the truth without prompting or pointing out the lie, etc), I'd argue that yes, their lives at that point and a lot of what they did were lies
Imagine learning your love interest was a npc and then learning the school you loved so dearly betrayed you and turned you into a whole different person.
@@AKKIO_DEEZNUTZ- wow thats really interesting, is she a robot in every danganronpa or was she just a robot in this particular one ? Thanks for answering
Makoto's lore: *studied two years in Kibougamine until the freaking Apocalypse happened, his family got kidnapped and he decided to recluse himself at Kibougamine, where the mastermind behind the Apocalypse erased his memories. He then saw a lot of deaths and was framed a lot of times, he almost died, he saw the mastermind execute herself, he then got his memories restored, and thus he was able to fully feel the pain and loss of his friends's deaths, then he watched his sister get roped into a plan that wanted to brainwash her into becoming his new archnemesis, then he risked his life for a bunch of brainwashed maniacs because it was the right thing to do, and then got roped up in a SECOND KILLING GAME when he was ON A TRIAL AND SENTENCED TO DEATH for helping out the aforementioned brainwashed maniacs*
A joke is a display of humour in which words are used within a specific and well-defined narrative structure to make people laugh and is usually not meant to be interpreted literally.[1] It usually takes the form of a story, often with dialogue, and ends in a punch line, whereby the humorous element of the story is revealed; this can be done using a pun or other type of word play, irony or sarcasm, logical incompatibility, hyperbole, or other means.[2] Linguist Robert Hetzron offers the definition: A joke is a short humorous piece of oral literature in which the funniness culminates in the final sentence, called the punchline… In fact, the main condition is that the tension should reach its highest level at the very end. No continuation relieving the tension should be added. As for its being "oral," it is true that jokes may appear printed, but when further transferred, there is no obligation to reproduce the text verbatim, as in the case of poetry.[3]
To be fair , Hinata's Lore comes Pre-Game while Naegi's Ingame and Postgames If you think about it , Both are two sides of the same coin.. But if I have to be honest , Naegi lost more than Hinata (to be in a real killing game , watch his former friends die , getting frame from even breath , almost die etc etc)
Hot take: tbh yeah that's why I think bringing the sdr2 cast back was a bad choice. I mean, DR3 as a whole was a mistake, but the game said they MIGHT come back. At the very least, maybe some could come back, but not all? I personally think it'd be interesting if characters the cast liked less (Teru, Komaeda, Mikan, etc) were brought back, but characters like Nidai, Pekoyama, Gundam, etc weren't. Also, Chiaki wasn't supposed to be a real person lol
@@dataexpunged93N15 Hot take : SDR2 cast is the worst out of the 4 games (Yes , even AE had a better cast and story) and what happens to them in DR3 (In the 3 Arcs and Ova) is what ruins SDR2's Story to me
Idk hajime lost his best friend, can never live a normal life, was framed for the most despair inducing event, also had to watch his friends die even if it wasn’t real, the teacher that actually cared for him died, and basically everything he loved was crushed and destroyed
@@charlieribbit8253 yeah but when they returned their families were dead, they had been controlled to kill millions of people, and will forever be hated by everyone Edit: and several of them don’t have their own body parts
@@junkid3559 no for almost all of the duration of Danganronpa 2 we played as Hajime, not Izuru. He was an average person until the final decision and even after that he choose to be Hajime, not Izuru
@@Dragfos The fact that he chooses to remain Hajime means nothing. He still got that god brain. Just from the game, there is no salient reason to think Hajime is somehow more normal than Makoto. The only event that really drives in Makotos luck is what happens in his execution. Also, it was only by rejecting Izuru that he was able to achieve his super saiyan form. If he wasn't Izuru at one point, we'd still be seeing the 'They're both hope and despair. A conclusion will fucking never be reached.' Loop. And ssj Hajime is not more normal than Makoto, dude.
@@junkid3559In fact, Makoto always had an ultimate, he just didn't remember what it was. However, Hajime didn't remember what talent he had, but when he finally found out, he saw that it was nothing beyond a mere reserve student who paid to be one of the students at Hope's Peak. Since in Danganronpa 2 we play as Hajime Hinata before he becomes Izuru, meaning he was indeed more normal than Makoto, the guy literally had no talent, "a nobody who forgot he was a nobody" as Nagito said, so only at the end can we say that Hajime is better than Makoto, because there he was already "fused" with Izuru, and yet he had all the development so that he could finally reach that point. Anyway, Makoto had a life more privileged than Hajime, this doesn't make him a better or worse protagonist, but let's at least accept the facts that were presented to us during the games/animes.
Anyone else remember the time Makoto got taken hostage then drove a bus full of more hostages almost crashing it then 5 seconds later almost murdered the hostage taker with a soda can? Good times Also I haven't read Danganronpa Zero but doesn't Makoto get targeted by the student council or something?
Yeah In DR Zero he played a bit of a minor role and to keep it spoiler free almost got killed by a student council bodyguard until he was saved by Mukuro and then pretty much exited the story
The first part was from Naegi secret file lol, he literally only got into hopes peak because his horrible luck resulted in the destruction of the first letter for an unnamed high school girl, so they re-elected an ultimate lucky student which ended up being Makoto Then again, if that never happened and he was never selected, he probably would've died during the tragedy
I'm seeing a lot of people in the comments saying Makoto suffered more and while it is true that Makoto suffered a lot, that was only during the killing games. Hajime discovered the murdered corpse of one of his fellow students, was assaulted by security AND was manipulated by the very school he went to BEFORE the killing games! And then he proceeded to suffer more during the killing school trip! In summary, both have suffered but at least Makoto's suffering was limited to the games, Hajime wasn't as lucky.
Um Makoto almost died in DR0 and in his secret file and was accused of being a traitor in DR3 those were outside of the killing games. Hajime did suffer more via being a lab rat though.
Makoto had to see the world end and gave up any hope on even finding his own family, Pregame Makoto was him at his lowest and even though we don't know much he had given it all up.
@@ianjohns5701 The motive was originally for his first killing game. But was left unused. He wasn't given a live feed of her location to watch her. If he did, he'd have sent people to her
Everyone is saying this, but does it really matter? At that moment Hajime saw his friends dying without knowing that he was in a game, and even after he found out about it, the chance of his friends coming back was extremely low, so don't try to lessen his trauma of seeing all his friends die, the experience was equally bad for both of them, the only difference is the ending, where Makoto doesn't had his friends back, while Hajime did. Still, that's no reason to diminish Hajime's feelings at that moment, it doesn't even make sense.
@@CarbonCxck It confirmed That Makoto Luck 🍀 is Greater than Nagito, Nagito Said it himself, Because Makoto luck protect him and there’s some other reason why he got in Hope Peak Academy
Someone doesn't read naegi lore from official wiki huh? (He literally almost die twice in one day, and still manage to get his letter from hope academy twice)
@@Ess_Estelle Wait Didn't Hajime want that to be talented to able to stand as an equal to Chaiki in his mind because he told her that he had something to go do in the anime?
@@Minutemenofficial2 Yeah but the character needs to have depth traits so doesn't feels like a empty tool to follow the story like Makoto a blank slate used to lead some events
Naegi- Survived 2 killing games and even after the death of Kyouko(lol) he didn't give into despair. Hinata- wait was he even a protagonist in the anime?💀💀
No hate on makoto personally I think he's the cutest MC in danganronpa While hajime is just built diff starting from a non talented person... I personally luv both of them ❤️
I feel so bad for Hajime. Bro literally sold his soul to gain talent at the cost of his memories and waifu and helped Junko cause the Apocalypse. He deserves better. But the Danganronpa fandom being the Danganronpa fandom, they can't stop shipping him with Komaeda. Sad reality we live but hey, V3 was there to expose the fandom's weird atrocities
Ohhh you wanna play in that game? OK Hajime in and post game expirients : Get's new cool Friends, was on the beach, Get's a talent. Makoto in and post game expirients : ua-cam.com/video/dFL3CO0BV6Q/v-deo.html
Comments section is somehow a chaotic mixture of people downplaying the suffering of one fictional character to the other instead of that A. Both lives are godawful and B. This is a joke
I think the issue with Makoto is the fact that they made him TOO average. I get that that's the point of his character, but even Komaru has some quirks and a more flushed character arc. Makoto's definitely my least favorite protag of the series.
Shuichi: At least your life isn't a lie
Kayayday: At least you survive chapter 1
Avocado🥑: at least you didn't die by getting hit with A BALL
@@flowerlover107 the 16th student: at least you didn’t get killed by your sister
uhhhh... considering danganronpa: goodbye despair is based entirely on lies built upon lies, (made them think that they were just getting to the academy, made hajime think he had a talent because he was there with the ultimates, Chiaki was an AI "traitor", they were in a simulation, no one ever told them the truth without prompting or pointing out the lie, etc), I'd argue that yes, their lives at that point and a lot of what they did were lies
Tbh Makoto and Hajime's lives were also lies; they don't exist.
Imagine learning your love interest was a npc and then learning the school you loved so dearly betrayed you and turned you into a whole different person.
why do I see you everywhere
@@hajimemehinata cause I’m everywhere at every time 😎
Wdym npc ?
@@MMIABW like how Chiaki wasn’t Real
@@AKKIO_DEEZNUTZ- wow thats really interesting, is she a robot in every danganronpa or was she just a robot in this particular one ? Thanks for answering
Makoto's lore: *studied two years in Kibougamine until the freaking Apocalypse happened, his family got kidnapped and he decided to recluse himself at Kibougamine, where the mastermind behind the Apocalypse erased his memories. He then saw a lot of deaths and was framed a lot of times, he almost died, he saw the mastermind execute herself, he then got his memories restored, and thus he was able to fully feel the pain and loss of his friends's deaths, then he watched his sister get roped into a plan that wanted to brainwash her into becoming his new archnemesis, then he risked his life for a bunch of brainwashed maniacs because it was the right thing to do, and then got roped up in a SECOND KILLING GAME when he was ON A TRIAL AND SENTENCED TO DEATH for helping out the aforementioned brainwashed maniacs*
A joke is a display of humour in which words are used within a specific and well-defined narrative structure to make people laugh and is usually not meant to be interpreted literally.[1] It usually takes the form of a story, often with dialogue, and ends in a punch line, whereby the humorous element of the story is revealed; this can be done using a pun or other type of word play, irony or sarcasm, logical incompatibility, hyperbole, or other means.[2] Linguist Robert Hetzron offers the definition: A joke is a short humorous piece of oral literature in which the funniness culminates in the final sentence, called the punchline… In fact, the main condition is that the tension should reach its highest level at the very end. No continuation relieving the tension should be added. As for its being "oral," it is true that jokes may appear printed, but when further transferred, there is no obligation to reproduce the text verbatim, as in the case of poetry.[3]
@@popato_chsp Yes, thing is, jokes are supposed to be either ironic or accurate, which this is NOT.
@@popato_chsp we need a class trial cuz I just witnessed a murder
@@popato_chspdude crushed him.
Hajime had a whole side anime about him
Makoto literally survived 2 killing games💀
Hajime helped make one 💀
Makoto almost die in killing game 💀
@@totally451 more than once 💀
@@Rebelco that's basically izuru
@@midorimemizuki5033Agree 💀🗿
Hajime lost his waifu to gain sharingan and white hair
Makoto lost his waifu to gain a better one, he's truly the ultimate lucky
Sharingan and white hair > Waifus in general
Lol 😂😂
That’s damn facts, Kyoko the goat
Morir virgen o morir sin ser virgen
Prefiero al traumado de naegi
I just wanna point out Naegi in future arc-
ANYWAYS lol
@Turkish Hajime Wait a sec were you Turkish, Hajime?
Yeah Hajime’s lore is in the pregame and Makoto’s is ingame and postgame
To be fair , Hinata's Lore comes Pre-Game while Naegi's Ingame and Postgames
If you think about it , Both are two sides of the same coin..
But if I have to be honest , Naegi lost more than Hinata (to be in a real killing game , watch his former friends die , getting frame from even breath , almost die etc etc)
Hot take: tbh yeah that's why I think bringing the sdr2 cast back was a bad choice. I mean, DR3 as a whole was a mistake, but the game said they MIGHT come back. At the very least, maybe some could come back, but not all? I personally think it'd be interesting if characters the cast liked less (Teru, Komaeda, Mikan, etc) were brought back, but characters like Nidai, Pekoyama, Gundam, etc weren't.
Also, Chiaki wasn't supposed to be a real person lol
@@dataexpunged93N15 Hot take : SDR2 cast is the worst out of the 4 games (Yes , even AE had a better cast and story) and what happens to them in DR3 (In the 3 Arcs and Ova) is what ruins SDR2's Story to me
Right, at the end of the day the DR2 cast had a second chance while the characters in DR1 remain dead, pretty sad.
Idk hajime lost his best friend, can never live a normal life, was framed for the most despair inducing event, also had to watch his friends die even if it wasn’t real, the teacher that actually cared for him died, and basically everything he loved was crushed and destroyed
@@charlieribbit8253 yeah but when they returned their families were dead, they had been controlled to kill millions of people, and will forever be hated by everyone
Edit: and several of them don’t have their own body parts
sdr2 is old now but sometimes I still internally cry for Hajime
This is why DR2 has the best story. Not just Ultimates fighting for their lives, but also a normal person
Hajime is literally Izuru. Makoto is far more normal than him.
@@junkid3559 no for almost all of the duration of Danganronpa 2 we played as Hajime, not Izuru. He was an average person until the final decision and even after that he choose to be Hajime, not Izuru
@@Dragfos The fact that he chooses to remain Hajime means nothing. He still got that god brain.
Just from the game, there is no salient reason to think Hajime is somehow more normal than Makoto. The only event that really drives in Makotos luck is what happens in his execution.
Also, it was only by rejecting Izuru that he was able to achieve his super saiyan form. If he wasn't Izuru at one point, we'd still be seeing the 'They're both hope and despair. A conclusion will fucking never be reached.' Loop.
And ssj Hajime is not more normal than Makoto, dude.
@@junkid3559In fact, Makoto always had an ultimate, he just didn't remember what it was. However, Hajime didn't remember what talent he had, but when he finally found out, he saw that it was nothing beyond a mere reserve student who paid to be one of the students at Hope's Peak. Since in Danganronpa 2 we play as Hajime Hinata before he becomes Izuru, meaning he was indeed more normal than Makoto, the guy literally had no talent, "a nobody who forgot he was a nobody" as Nagito said, so only at the end can we say that Hajime is better than Makoto, because there he was already "fused" with Izuru, and yet he had all the development so that he could finally reach that point. Anyway, Makoto had a life more privileged than Hajime, this doesn't make him a better or worse protagonist, but let's at least accept the facts that were presented to us during the games/animes.
Ultimate reserve course student
Hajime is the true protagonist
Shuichi: Lol uchiha
Makot o
Not really Makoto is the MAIN protagonist
@@alejo.fs11 Yeh
Nah
Anyone else remember the time Makoto got taken hostage then drove a bus full of more hostages almost crashing it then 5 seconds later almost murdered the hostage taker with a soda can? Good times
Also I haven't read Danganronpa Zero but doesn't Makoto get targeted by the student council or something?
Yeah In DR Zero he played a bit of a minor role and to keep it spoiler free almost got killed by a student council bodyguard until he was saved by Mukuro and then pretty much exited the story
The first part was from Naegi secret file lol, he literally only got into hopes peak because his horrible luck resulted in the destruction of the first letter for an unnamed high school girl, so they re-elected an ultimate lucky student which ended up being Makoto
Then again, if that never happened and he was never selected, he probably would've died during the tragedy
This is why Hajime to me is my top favorite character in the entire franchise if he was ever to die I’m done with Dangaronpa
This is why Hajime has a bigger ahoge than Makoto
makoto's one is THICCer tho
And a bigger 91cm tatas
I'm seeing a lot of people in the comments saying Makoto suffered more and while it is true that Makoto suffered a lot, that was only during the killing games.
Hajime discovered the murdered corpse of one of his fellow students, was assaulted by security AND was manipulated by the very school he went to BEFORE the killing games! And then he proceeded to suffer more during the killing school trip!
In summary, both have suffered but at least Makoto's suffering was limited to the games, Hajime wasn't as lucky.
Um Makoto almost died in DR0 and in his secret file and was accused of being a traitor in DR3 those were outside of the killing games. Hajime did suffer more via being a lab rat though.
Makoto had to see the world end and gave up any hope on even finding his own family, Pregame Makoto was him at his lowest and even though we don't know much he had given it all up.
Naegi lore is luck and that he wet the bed 🤰
💀💀💀
It’s true
I still appreciate naegi tho
Makoto had a real killing game experience while Hajime still has all his friends except 1
Technically Makoto has 2 killing game experiences
@@Nebularban 3 since he was watched the VR killing game unfold and almost 4 which would have involved his own sister
@@ianjohns5701 idk if his sister one counts. He wasnt a participant
@@Nebularban they would be watching it tho it would have been a motive it just with the participants family members for example: Kyoko's grandfather
@@ianjohns5701 The motive was originally for his first killing game. But was left unused. He wasn't given a live feed of her location to watch her. If he did, he'd have sent people to her
Hajime brought back almost all of his friends, but Makoto only brought 1 person back (not to mention him in 2 killing games)
Everyone is saying this, but does it really matter? At that moment Hajime saw his friends dying without knowing that he was in a game, and even after he found out about it, the chance of his friends coming back was extremely low, so don't try to lessen his trauma of seeing all his friends die, the experience was equally bad for both of them, the only difference is the ending, where Makoto doesn't had his friends back, while Hajime did. Still, that's no reason to diminish Hajime's feelings at that moment, it doesn't even make sense.
*✨and that’s why I’m hyperfixated on Hajime✨*
Makato is lucky but he does go through some stuff bc of his luck
Makoto*
Even then Nagito lowkey has it worse
@@CarbonCxck It confirmed That Makoto Luck 🍀 is Greater than Nagito, Nagito Said it himself, Because Makoto luck protect him and there’s some other reason why he got in Hope Peak Academy
@@Yasyoni Yeah and Nagito has worse bad luck than Makoto
I mean the future foundation decides to kill him just because he defeat junko and become the ultimate hope
Someone doesn't read naegi lore from official wiki huh? (He literally almost die twice in one day, and still manage to get his letter from hope academy twice)
Yea but he was lucky *hint hint*
His friends were actually killed in REAL LIFE
@@osanakatie5591 Hajime’s borderline girlfriend died too, he was also blamed for the deaths at hopes peak students as izuru during the tragedy
@@niederländer50000 andd hajime was experimented on-
@@Ess_Estelle Wait Didn't Hajime want that to be talented to able to stand as an equal to Chaiki in his mind because he told her that he had something to go do in the anime?
shuichi: 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Bro be fr, none read the makoto naegi secret file?
Makoto gets so much disrespect for no reason like he has just as much lore as anyone else
He's a plot device rather than a character, Hinata has actually better lore depth wise
@@user-dy2wp8lc6cAren't all characters plot devices? if a character isn't serving the plot then i don't think they need to be there tbh
@@Minutemenofficial2 Yeah but the character needs to have depth traits so doesn't feels like a empty tool to follow the story like Makoto a blank slate used to lead some events
@@user-dy2wp8lc6c sure but there are tons of characters in video games like that, besides I think he’s much more fleshed out in dr3
Naegi life - Tell them Naeggi, that ur the best lucky boi!!!!
Hinata life - F**K OFF HAJIMEMES
I wanna lock hajime in a casket and toss it into the sea
based
Bro’s really got some beef with my boy
@@HJ-oo8ph it's complicated
That's what I want to do to Limbless Hajime
makoto lore : lucky big mac
Hajime is just one of my favourite mc all the time
Oh shit, i Need some therapy
Yea and a lot
it's only now you realised that you need one-
I like you
@@tassaklimoan nagito go learn how to confesse plz...
@@Ameneyuiki ok
Hajime when he finds out Makoto's (supposedly dead) girl is still alive: You lucky bastard... Oh, wait a second?
????
Naegi- Survived 2 killing games and even after the death of Kyouko(lol) he didn't give into despair.
Hinata- wait was he even a protagonist in the anime?💀💀
Хаахахахахаха
At least Makoto had a life man, if hajime didnt took the surgery, he wouldve been just like everyone of us watching this
Hajime Hinata lore:
On the meat bone? The on bone meat? Meat the bone on?
How many sides does an octagon have? What’s down five mean?
No hate on makoto personally I think he's the cutest MC in danganronpa
While hajime is just built diff starting from a non talented person...
I personally luv both of them ❤️
HELP also in seeing this 2 years later
bro had a lobotomy
Hajime my favourite protag
I feel so bad for Hajime. Bro literally sold his soul to gain talent at the cost of his memories and waifu and helped Junko cause the Apocalypse. He deserves better. But the Danganronpa fandom being the Danganronpa fandom, they can't stop shipping him with Komaeda. Sad reality we live but hey, V3 was there to expose the fandom's weird atrocities
Sad lucky boy
Sad average boy
1:06 when was this?
final episode of DR3 (Hope Arc)
If only hajime met someone like Naegi before getting wrapped up into a murder investigation.
Best protag imo
Where on earth is the animation at 0:36 from???
I think its a post credits clip from one of the despair arc episodes
God i love him
hajime babygirl
Ohhh you wanna play in that game? OK
Hajime in and post game expirients : Get's new cool Friends, was on the beach, Get's a talent.
Makoto in and post game expirients : ua-cam.com/video/dFL3CO0BV6Q/v-deo.html
Hajime was very depressed he become emo
Not the fountain scene with Chiaki 😢
Uno es más fuerte que el otro y hablo de la voluntad, corromperse no importa el sufrimiento solp muestra la poca voluntad
Naegi Future arc? I'm pretty sure he has more personality than a guy who's only personality is "I'm bored"
Ahh…. Yes…. The comment section… full of despair
Welcome to the Danganronpa fandom
Makoto nearly k!lled himself
I love hinata so much
His true talent is the ultimate analyst
Nah bro 😭
shuichi saihara lore: literally fake
Nagito 💀
makoto : i got a waifu
hajime : hey guess whose classmates died the most?
Only Chiaki died in his class.
hajime is the GOAT fr fr
And that's why I like hajime I can identify with him because he was a nothing im was a nothing
Comments section is somehow a chaotic mixture of people downplaying the suffering of one fictional character to the other instead of that A. Both lives are godawful and B. This is a joke
I think the issue with Makoto is the fact that they made him TOO average. I get that that's the point of his character, but even Komaru has some quirks and a more flushed character arc. Makoto's definitely my least favorite protag of the series.
He’s has his hope though, that’s his whole arc, finding out that he was underrating how special his mentality makes him
Both literally got MK Ultra'd one time
Damn
Someone send this to @Apollothealmighty