Don't think it was just the images changing at this time...Peter always had a desire for other avenues with music... Danny is a great guy... Love the story of thunder and lighting...awesome band
This was a difficult period and challenge for the Band to bring about new successful stuff after Terry Kath's death. Hot Streets did okay but by 1980 the Band really wanted to find something that could equal their albums from 4-5 years earlier. It's was very hard for the Band to equal with what they came out with in 1975 and 1976. They finally though came out with more successful new albums in 1982 and 1984. It was very hard to change what they were use to composing with Terry Kath in the Band for 10 years. Plus they fired their longtime manager after their 1977 album was completed.
Thunder and Lighting and The American dream are the perfect examples of why David Foster was needed. Their songwriting, specifically Bobby's and Jimmy's, went completely down the crapper by this point in time. Drugs and alcohol surely had a lot to do with it. Peter cleaned up his act and saved the band with his writing and singing. People hate to hear that for some reason, but it's true.
Thunder and lightning was good song for this album. As for David Foster he turned them into ballad pop crap and pretty much buried the horns. The band was never the same after Terry.
I remember seeing them in concert in the Chicago area around that time. Summertime. Outdoor venue & hotter than blazes. Humid too. And Cetera had that haircut. Given how it felt outside, he likely had it cut that way for practical reasons.
The worst, most lifeless Chicago album made. I was a huge fan, but I was horribly disappointed at this effort. Much of the blame goes to the Producer, Tom Dowd. David Foster revitalized their careers with their 16th album, which followed a greatest hits LP (15). Unfortunately, the David Foster years marked them as a ballad band. There was great music being produced on subsequent albums, but it wasn't the same without Kath, who passed after the 11th record. Kath is one of the most under appreciated guitarists of all time. If you don't believe me listen to The Chicago Transit Authority (1), and Chicago 2.
It's normal for anyone to promote their latest work with confidence...not sure that's the same as actually expecting it. Things hadn't exactly been going well at that point.
Merv and the boring radio guy were so full of c$%@! here. Made this album sound like it was Sgt. Pepper or something. Even the band looked embarrassed by their gushing bullcrap.
@Rudy Overlord i wish you people would get it through your thick heads that the record label dictated what they wanted and the PUBLIC Buying audience had made it loud and clear they loved the ballads. Such that after Peter left, THEY, Chicago, WENT OUTSIDE THE BAND TO FIND WRITERS WHO COULD DELIVER THE LUSH STYLE OF BALLAD PETER WAS A WHIZ AT WRITING!!. Cetera wrote rockers too or even typical 80's music, so he could go with the flow. But the record execs and producers wanted Chi to keep cranking out ballads. Also, you DO know Terry Kath was ready to go Solo and start his own solo band, don't you? It is in Michelle's movie about her dad. He was scheduled for band practice (new group) Jan 24, the day after his accidental death. Just be honest and knock off the undeserved hate for Cetera. I get it. I understand. But he wasn't at total fault or deserving decades of hate dumped on his head. Would you have shit all over Terry for going off Solo, thus leaving the band, as Peter did?
I watched ole Merv often when I was home sick from school. Learned a lot from him, but yes, he did talk a lot. Oprah could have learned a thing or two from the original.
Can't watch them without Terry Kath. He WAS the band. Although I sympathize with them to keep creating ,,Peter Cetera could have called them a different name. Terry was the foundation of the groups sound. Without that wonderful Barratone killer voice,,and his thunderous guitar ,,,in every song,,,,it's just not the same.
deb cotrone I couldn’t agree more! I almost shut it off the minute I saw Terry Kath wasn’t there I wasn’t sure when Merv Griffin was on tv so I clicked on it just to see if Terry was playing with them but sadly it was after he left us 😿 so I Clicked it off....no desire to watch them w/o him (though I do love Danny too!)
Too bad, was looking forward to "Thunder and Lightning" and when they mentioned "The American Dream" I REALLY wished there was more time and it would be played. Can't say "Thunder and Lightning" is my favorite off XIV, actually "The American Dream" ties with "Upon Arrival" for that. We had to bring in a song we liked and produce copies of the lyrics for my English class in 12th grade and I picked "The American Dream" because I really think it fits no matter what year. And "Upon Arrival" really gained a lot more meaning for me a few years later. My baby sister would have to fly in from where she was, this was back before 9/11 and you could actually go down to the gate and see folks off or meet them right off the plane. That first time I was listening to XIV and I really started thinking of "Upon Arrival" was appropriate to where I was and what I was doing. Plus I started looking around at the people and it just hit me that we were all living the song. And every time I went to meet her or to see her off I'd have the song and just have to listen to it. Never did see the girl in dark glasses, but I'm sure on a few occasions someone fitting that role was there. Wasn't the same after 9/11, but the song is still a powerful one for me.
Certainly an interesting bass Peter is holding. Single pickup humbucker, P Bass shape, but looks boutique with what looks like mahogany. Any info on it?
I actually like "Thunder and Lightening" and think it could have been a hit at the time of Columbia would have promoted it. But whose idea was it to have this dry, personality-free radio industry guy show up and brag about their success and the new album right in front of them? How crass and uncool...enough to make you want to hate Chicago 14 before you even listen to one second of it. Which, by the way, is understandable once you do listen to it. Three good songs..."Manipulation", "Overnight Cage" and "Thunder and Lightning". The rest are some of the lamest tracks they ever recorded until the 90's.
Merv's effort to convince us that this record would be a big success was as lame as his effort to convince us that he was a heterosexual. P.S. Marty Grebb was originally with the Buckinghams, another band from the Windy City produced by JWG, that had a monster year in 1967 before disappearing.
I believe Marty Grebb had been in the band Cetera was in before he joined CTA. That band was The Exceptions. There's a CD of their music I bought & it's pretty good. It's fascinating to listen to the songs and how the earlier songs don't have Cetera in them at all; then you hear a bit of him in the backing vocals; then he sometimes sings lead; and by the final couple songs he's their lead singer -- has found his voice and is really belting them out! It's like watching an acorn sprout, become a sapling, and growing to a big shade tree all on one disk. Worth getting.
Ive gone back and listened to this album, been a while. It's not as bad as people make it out to be, well, except for "Upon arrival" . But why was Marty Grebb with these guys at this time? Must have needed the money 💰
I actually like Chicago 14 album and think it was their best since Chicago 7, but that's just me - it didn't sell well and most fans didn't care for it either and I think the band decided not reissue later on
they became greedy and lost their musical soul after they lost their musical soul- terry kath. there has NEVER been a band as talented as this group just "sell out" after a band member died. i wouldnt spend a dollar to see them perform today_ saw them many times in the 70s....just total sellouts- how much $$$ is too much guys; remember your roots
Man, relax. They changed. Look at the Beatles from "Love Me Do" and "She Loves You" in 1962 to "Yer Blues" and "Helter Skelter" in 1968. Styles change, preference changes. This band has been together since 1966 with the core of guys still there (obviously Kath died and Cetera decided he was too good for the band). You need to appreciate what this band was and how they try and keep that sound they once had as they push towards 70 years old. I just saw them and they sound incredible, appreciate that they still enjoy each others company.
+Gilberto Rivera Santiago No. Lamm said he hates pinball in this interview. Merv seems to be struggling to interview the band, although musicians are often notoriously tough interviews. They're used to communicating with music, not words.
hm, pankow says "there's no front man". But they sure gave the band over lock, stock and barrel to Terry when he was around. I loved Terry, but that blows the hell out of that BS. Look at 1969, 1970, '72 videos and Terry is the front man, and the leader.
Merv @ 7:15: "Destined to be a big, big hit..." This was Chicago's worst selling album, ever. Even I, a hard-core Chicago fan at the time, almost hung my head and wept. I feared it was all over...but then came the David Foster producer years and Chicago experienced a resurrection from the dead. This album, sadly, is the one that should have been left in the tomb.
funch357 I think this was their last album with this record company. Next record was Chicago 15 which was a greatest hits and fulfilled their contract, then record company dumped them. Until David Foster came along and he and Peter formulated Chicago 16 which was the beginning of their come back.
@@DQDebra Actually, Columbia had resigned Chicago to this album and wanted to get out of the deal. Columbia paid off Chicago to go away, which they did using that money to finance Chicago 16 with Warner Bros. I presume that some suit at Columbia got fired as a result of that decision.
Love them...amazingly talented group... 🎤🎶❤️🎶❤️
Thanks again for another blast from the past chicagokid!
Don't think it was just the images changing at this time...Peter always had a desire for other avenues with music... Danny is a great guy... Love the story of thunder and lighting...awesome band
and Terry was planning a solo split in 1978 right before his accidental death.
Thanks, ChicagoKid....you have posted many videos from these guys I have never seen!
This was a difficult period and challenge for the Band to bring about new successful stuff after Terry Kath's death. Hot Streets did okay but by 1980 the Band really wanted to find something that could equal their albums from 4-5 years earlier. It's was very hard for the Band to equal with what they came out with in 1975 and 1976. They finally though came out with more successful new albums in 1982 and 1984. It was very hard to change what they were use to composing with Terry Kath in the Band for 10 years. Plus they fired their longtime manager after their 1977 album was completed.
+Bill Bass Enter Bill Champlin
Thunder and Lighting and The American dream are the perfect examples of why David Foster was needed. Their songwriting, specifically Bobby's and Jimmy's, went completely down the crapper by this point in time. Drugs and alcohol surely had a lot to do with it. Peter cleaned up his act and saved the band with his writing and singing. People hate to hear that for some reason, but it's true.
yes, true but they can't accept it and want to transfer the pain of Kath's death, and Pete's saving them to hating on Peter.
Thunder and lightning was good song for this album. As for David Foster he turned them into ballad pop crap and pretty much buried the horns. The band was never the same after Terry.
I remember seeing this Cal Rodman guy on Merv’s. To me he typified the scuzzy music industry types; Allen Klein, Don Kirshner’s money grubbers.
That's the only time I've heard Laudir speak.
Cetera ditched that hairdo along with that outfit immediately after seeing this show.
Unfortunately for him, someone was rolling tape!
I remember seeing them in concert in the Chicago area around that time. Summertime. Outdoor venue & hotter than blazes. Humid too. And Cetera had that haircut. Given how it felt outside, he likely had it cut that way for practical reasons.
I think it was the first show of him being sober and clean.
The worst, most lifeless Chicago album made. I was a huge fan, but I was horribly disappointed at this effort.
Much of the blame goes to the Producer, Tom Dowd. David Foster revitalized their careers with their 16th album, which followed a greatest hits LP (15). Unfortunately, the David Foster years marked them as a ballad band. There was great music being produced on subsequent albums, but it wasn't the same without Kath, who passed after the 11th record. Kath is one of the most under appreciated guitarists of all time. If you don't believe me listen to The Chicago Transit Authority (1), and Chicago 2.
Wow, they were predicting such big things for this album. Not so much.
It's normal for anyone to promote their latest work with confidence...not sure that's the same as actually expecting it. Things hadn't exactly been going well at that point.
Merv and the boring radio guy were so full of c$%@! here. Made this album sound like it was Sgt. Pepper or something. Even the band looked embarrassed by their gushing bullcrap.
RIP Laudir de Oliveira and Marty Grebb, Peter's band mate in the Exceptions, before Peter joined up with the Big Thing, soon after to become CTA.
They were trying to find their musical "nitch" into the 80's. Cetera had one foot out the door.
I wish hired gun Chris Pinnick had done more with them. "Manipulation" is a good tune.
Chris Pinnick was on Chicago 14,16 &17
@Rudy Overlord i wish you people would get it through your thick heads that the record label dictated what they wanted and the PUBLIC Buying audience had made it loud and clear they loved the ballads. Such that after Peter left, THEY, Chicago, WENT OUTSIDE THE BAND TO FIND WRITERS WHO COULD DELIVER THE LUSH STYLE OF BALLAD PETER WAS A WHIZ AT WRITING!!.
Cetera wrote rockers too or even typical 80's music, so he could go with the flow. But the record execs and producers wanted Chi to keep cranking out ballads.
Also, you DO know Terry Kath was ready to go Solo and start his own solo band, don't you? It is in Michelle's movie about her dad. He was scheduled for band practice (new group) Jan 24, the day after his accidental death.
Just be honest and knock off the undeserved hate for Cetera.
I get it. I understand. But he wasn't at total fault or deserving decades of hate dumped on his head.
Would you have shit all over Terry for going off Solo, thus leaving the band, as Peter did?
I watched ole Merv often when I was home sick from school. Learned a lot from him, but yes, he did talk a lot. Oprah could have learned a thing or two from the original.
Can't watch them without Terry Kath. He WAS the band. Although I sympathize with them to keep creating ,,Peter Cetera could have called them a different name. Terry was the foundation of the groups sound. Without that wonderful Barratone killer voice,,and his thunderous guitar ,,,in every song,,,,it's just not the same.
deb cotrone I couldn’t agree more! I almost shut it off the minute I saw Terry Kath wasn’t there I wasn’t sure when Merv Griffin was on tv so I clicked on it just to see if Terry was playing with them but sadly it was after he left us 😿 so I Clicked it off....no desire to watch them w/o him (though I do love Danny too!)
Love Terry's voice but I agree with the millions that thought Pete's voice was the sound of Chicago.
Agree 100%.
The first guy who took over was really good,lead guitar. Forgot his name. But he could really smoke
Too bad, was looking forward to "Thunder and Lightning" and when they mentioned "The American Dream" I REALLY wished there was more time and it would be played. Can't say "Thunder and Lightning" is my favorite off XIV, actually "The American Dream" ties with "Upon Arrival" for that. We had to bring in a song we liked and produce copies of the lyrics for my English class in 12th grade and I picked "The American Dream" because I really think it fits no matter what year. And "Upon Arrival" really gained a lot more meaning for me a few years later. My baby sister would have to fly in from where she was, this was back before 9/11 and you could actually go down to the gate and see folks off or meet them right off the plane. That first time I was listening to XIV and I really started thinking of "Upon Arrival" was appropriate to where I was and what I was doing. Plus I started looking around at the people and it just hit me that we were all living the song. And every time I went to meet her or to see her off I'd have the song and just have to listen to it. Never did see the girl in dark glasses, but I'm sure on a few occasions someone fitting that role was there. Wasn't the same after 9/11, but the song is still a powerful one for me.
It was funny at 1:30 when Merv said they had continued sex..LMAO
This album was Chicago's attempt at New Wave music.
Hairstyles, anyway.
Naw. Get outta here! I was a New WAver back then. No way.
I think they were trying to do punk/rock!
Certainly an interesting bass Peter is holding. Single pickup humbucker, P Bass shape, but looks boutique with what looks like mahogany. Any info on it?
On the recording he may have been using a Stingray but I have no idea what he’s holding here. Probably just a prop
This HD is Amazing ??
I actually like "Thunder and Lightening" and think it could have been a hit at the time of Columbia would have promoted it. But whose idea was it to have this dry, personality-free radio industry guy show up and brag about their success and the new album right in front of them? How crass and uncool...enough to make you want to hate Chicago 14 before you even listen to one second of it.
Which, by the way, is understandable once you do listen to it. Three good songs..."Manipulation", "Overnight Cage" and "Thunder and Lightning". The rest are some of the lamest tracks they ever recorded until the 90's.
Overnight Cafe
@@RCGoetzke
‘Overnight Cage’ would’ve gotten the band more street-credibility with the punk rock scene, I think
Merv's effort to convince us that this record would be a big success was as lame as his effort to convince us that he was a heterosexual. P.S. Marty Grebb was originally with the Buckinghams, another band from the Windy City produced by JWG, that had a monster year in 1967 before disappearing.
I believe Marty Grebb had been in the band Cetera was in before he joined CTA. That band was The Exceptions. There's a CD of their music I bought & it's pretty good. It's fascinating to listen to the songs and how the earlier songs don't have Cetera in them at all; then you hear a bit of him in the backing vocals; then he sometimes sings lead; and by the final couple songs he's their lead singer -- has found his voice and is really belting them out! It's like watching an acorn sprout, become a sapling, and growing to a big shade tree all on one disk. Worth getting.
Grebb indeed was a member of The Exceptions, a band in which Cetera eventually took the lead just as he did later with Chicago.
Ive gone back and listened to this album, been a while. It's not as bad as people make it out to be, well, except for "Upon arrival" . But why was Marty Grebb with these guys at this time? Must have needed the money 💰
I actually like Chicago 14 album and think it was their best since Chicago 7, but that's just me - it didn't sell well and most fans didn't care for it either and I think the band decided not reissue later on
Their sound was completely different without Terry Kath.
they became greedy and lost their musical soul after they lost their musical soul- terry kath. there has NEVER been a band as talented as this group just "sell out" after a band member died. i wouldnt spend a dollar to see them perform today_ saw them many times in the 70s....just total sellouts- how much $$$ is too much guys; remember your roots
Man, relax. They changed. Look at the Beatles from "Love Me Do" and "She Loves You" in 1962 to "Yer Blues" and "Helter Skelter" in 1968. Styles change, preference changes. This band has been together since 1966 with the core of guys still there (obviously Kath died and Cetera decided he was too good for the band). You need to appreciate what this band was and how they try and keep that sound they once had as they push towards 70 years old. I just saw them and they sound incredible, appreciate that they still enjoy each others company.
bad analogy- the beatles evolved- chicago sold out
+maxdingotm gee I didn't know bands could only change to suit your tastes. Who knew??
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Cetera goin for the Heatmizer haircut here. Hehehe...
Daniel Seraphine was hit by lightning, while Bobby Lamm was hit by a Pinball game?
+Gilberto Rivera Santiago No. Lamm said he hates pinball in this interview. Merv seems to be struggling to interview the band, although musicians are often notoriously tough interviews. They're used to communicating with music, not words.
Where's the music?
Robert lamm was definitely stoned during this show/interview lol
OMG - LAMM STILL LOOKS THE SAME !!!!!!!!!!!! THE ORIGINAL LEADERS THAT STARTED "CHICAGO" - Kath, Lamm, Pankow....!!!
and Parazaider, , Seraphine and Loughnane!!!
@@suki44883 hm, that's six of them. Ya'll always leave of the 7th member just as the band did. Dirty, man. Just dirty.
I don't know about anyone else but I thought Chicago 13 and 14 were the best albums without Terry.
For those asking, here's the music: ua-cam.com/video/A7tyV2Gm7qU/v-deo.html
Cetera's Rambo outfit.
we don't talk to each otherb
why cant u grow another oak tree?
laudir saying we don't talk to each others
Where does this happen?
hm, pankow says "there's no front man".
But they sure gave the band over lock, stock and barrel to Terry when he was around. I loved Terry, but that blows the hell out of that BS. Look at 1969, 1970, '72 videos and Terry is the front man, and the leader.
Who is that man with alt sax?
Marty Grebb (formerly of The Buckinghams) is on alto sax. He was with Chicago from 1980-1981.
Jim Mullen Thanks, Jim.
No prob. Poor Marty! He had a pretty short run there...Only a little over a year....
Rock bottom. Playing the wretched 14th album on the Merv Griffith show
Their career nadir
No one told Peter Merv was gay before wearing that.
No wonder Peter was so nervous about the "coming out of the closet" remark.
@@BlueEyes-gp8lg
The whole band, or most of them were shouting ‘WHOA!! Wait ! Whooa! ‘ 🤣
Merv @ 7:15: "Destined to be a big, big hit..."
This was Chicago's worst selling album, ever. Even I, a hard-core Chicago fan at the time, almost hung my head and wept. I feared it was all over...but then came the David Foster producer years and Chicago experienced a resurrection from the dead. This album, sadly, is the one that should have been left in the tomb.
+funch357 As Jimmy Pankow stated after their previous albums had gone platinum or at least gold, "It went plywood".
funch357 I think this was their last album with this record company. Next record was Chicago 15 which was a greatest hits and fulfilled their contract, then record company dumped them. Until David Foster came along and he and Peter formulated Chicago 16 which was the beginning of their come back.
I remember going in the record store and the guy said don't waste your money. I got a copy years later from the cut out bin and thought what a dog.
@@RCGoetzke this album was wretched. it caused a 10 year hiatus for me as a fan. 13 had some moments but not this turd
@@DQDebra Actually, Columbia had resigned Chicago to this album and wanted to get out of the deal. Columbia paid off Chicago to go away, which they did using that money to finance Chicago 16 with Warner Bros. I presume that some suit at Columbia got fired as a result of that decision.
No Terry Kath, not as good anymore.
well.. that sucked
thanks for 8 minutes of wasted time
uselessjoe don't like so don't watch