If Boeing is confident they can return the astronauts, then here’s the solution: Launch a Dragon capsule with the Boeing CEO and another executive, in addition to whatever 2 astronauts were going to go up in the new NASA plan. The astronauts return on Dragon, and the suits return on Starliner.
I don't understand how and why Boeing continually gets a pass on this stuff and is not held accountable. If this had happened to SpaceX there would probably be some kind congressional investigation and public outcry for their incompetence and heads would roll or contracts would be summarily cancelled.
Oh I don't think they're getting a pass on this. There's going to be a pretty fucking expensive post mortem. Probably NASA will get a killer deal on Boeing contracts for decades because of this debacle.
@@Wrangler-fp4ei However, it can backfire! Starliner is rubbish, Boeing know it and it's so obvious it isn't safe for the astronauts to return on Starliner that any statements to the contrary are considered to be the standard Boeing lies it spouted for the 737MAX disasters. All it shows is that Boeing has NOT learned its lesson and is still the same incompetent and untrustworthy organization it always was!
Starliner was designed for 210 day lifetime. The 45 day battery life was a conservative limit for this mission and performance thus far shows it's absolutely fine to extend
b4 Trashliner docked and was having thruster issues we knew this was gonna happen yet some ppl and cc's were adamant about these failures being normal and yappin abt "that's why there's redundancy." In hindsight, i guess they were right. Doors flying off planes mid-flight, ✈️ crashing out the sky, murdering whistleblowers, failed space-capsules greenlit for human space missions despite pre-flight known failures... very normal... for Boeing
Lol 7 months for a flight that was supposed to be a week. Sounds like Boeing took a lesson or 2 from the Russians when conducting their 'special flight operation'.
They should jettison this flying lemon and come home on Space-X. The families of those two astronauts should be getting a team of lawyers together. What happened to all that talk saying the StarLoser spacecraft would deteriorate the longer it stayed docked? This whole thing smells to high heaven.
So suppose they do indeed bring the astronauts home on Dragon. In that case what happens to starliner? Is it just canceled? Do they continue to operational missions despite not finishing the test objectives? Another test flight?
It would be hard to justify sinking more money into it - bit of a sunk cost fallacy at play. The braver option would be to mothball it. Even before this happened I was imagining how it felt for the Boeing Starliner astronauts waiting to fly, watch issue after issue in testing. Meanwhile, SpaceX launch reliability just continues to build.
Upload the autonomous de-orbit software and let's run this Starliner experiment unmanned. If it works out then great. If not the crew can come home on Dragon.
@chrisantoniou4366 it's my understanding they launched WITHOUT ANY de-orbit / re-entry software at all! "Somehow," it never occurred to anyone that re-entry is part of the flight plan.
@@Hoopaball I believe you but... WOW! just WOW!!! It seems that the systemic issues with Boeing's incompetence, slackness, stupidity, and criminal negligence, have yet to be acknowledged, let alone addressed.
@@Hoopaball this isn't true. nasa clearly stated in last conference that crew and uncrewed software is the same, except for mission configuration parameters which are set on the ground
Apparently, even though the Starliner returned unmanned and automatically last time, the software to do this was wiped for this flight(!). This means Starliner is unable to return automatically. However, the problem is that it also can't be returned manually either because the thrusters will fail. There is something rotten in the state of Denmark...
@@Khemani_RL I understand you're being sarcastic, but there are still issues with the thrusters as well as question marks about the heat shield and the parachutes.
@@chrisantoniou4366 You really don't know what you're talking about, mainly because you didn't likely listen to the press briefing yesterday. It was not wiped. That's just nearly a complete lie from Eric Berger. The Starliner software is the same whether crewed or uncrewed. What needs to be updated is a “specific set of mission parameters”. NASA calls those Mission Data Loads. It might take a couple weeks or so just to verify everything's good, but no software modules or anything was removed. And keep in mind, other than the manual test flight objectives Butch and Sunni did, Starliner actually automatically docked with ISS.
This is becoming pathetic. Almost a month and NASA and Boeing are still arguing? In the mean time, astronauts may die?! Such incompetence. All related managers in any professional organisation will be made redundant by now.
No one’s going to die relax 😂 it’s either safe enough to get them home alive or it’s not and dragon brings them home alive in February. Either way no one dies.
The CEO of Boeing has already been replaced. But the other person who needs to go up, is whoever is in charge of the union. It's the union that hires, fires, and reprimands the employees that design, build, and inspect things. This isn't a management problem, it's a company wide problem.
Missed you guys, glad to have you back ! Yea, "Go Fever" is real and NASA's been caught up in it more than once. It's Good to hear some voices of wariness coming from NASA's directors. Boeing needs to prove that Starliner Will return Astronauts safely in ALL scenarios. Where's "Gordo" Cooper when you need him, his last Mercury Mission was the stuff of Legends. 🤗
I thought Starliner would need to leave the ISS before Crew Dragon can dock? Would NASA allow Starliner to depart uncrewed and have Butch and Suni without any ability to return to Earth while they wait for Crew Dragon to arrive? Or would the current Crew-8 mission depart, leaving Butch and Suni on the ISS with Starliner until Crew-9 arrives?
Boeing is an important military contractor, the government isn't going to let it fail. If stuckliner comes back alone, or with crew(probably not), and crashes, it'll be time to buy all the Boeing stock you can afford.
It’s like Big Brother up there! Someone should make a movie of it. 😂 Seriously though, I have zero respect for any of these companies. Not professional or even competent. IMO.
I thought two Starliners have already returned safely. Unless the hardware has ben modified from the configuration used for those flights, the spacecraft is certified for return. NASA is looking foolish.
It’s not the hardware, it’s the software apparently. The software that allowed it to autonomously undock during OFT-2 was modified, for some reason, so without updates they can’t even have it do an uncrewed undock and deorbit make room for Crew 9
@@zander_the_space_nerd , the delay is totally NASA’s fault. They contracted Boeing to build Starliner. They have. Boeing says Starliner is ready to return. NASA is delaying. Dream Chaser is totally unproven. Starliner has successfully returned twice. Using Crewdragon to return Starliner astronauts would be a totally unproven configuration.
Vladimir Putin could offer to save the lives of the American astronauts stranded at the ISS on humanitarian grounds... All NASA and Washington have to do is ask!
@@AmbientMorality Dragon is ridled with schedule delays and will bring the poor stranded austronauts only next year! Instead of this rash punishment to those who thought they would only spend a week in space Vladimir Putin can come to rescue NASA and Washington with a wave of his hand! 🤣🤣🤣
@@AmbientMorality Well, if that is the case, i hope they enjoy their forced stay. They are not supposed to be there so will inherit all unwanted shores.
"whether they come home on starliner or dragon" seems like yet another attempt at milking the boeing situation for views and clout. you took a several-week break with no updates, just to begin AND conclude with an overhyped nothing-burger. please cover something else. EDIT: this is literally your 10th video on this situation and youve basically said the same thing every video. "helium leaks, rcs problems, testing at white-sands, butch and sunny follow ground crew, dragon might bring them back, etc." and everytime the comment section is a cesspool of sly jokes about starliner and boeing whistleblowers, meanwhile we are learning almost nothing new from you.
If Boeing is confident they can return the astronauts, then here’s the solution:
Launch a Dragon capsule with the Boeing CEO and another executive, in addition to whatever 2 astronauts were going to go up in the new NASA plan. The astronauts return on Dragon, and the suits return on Starliner.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Perfect solution. Do you think they have the stones to step up?
@@PacificCoastPressthen don't use this channel to get your info. Respect gets respect.
@@PacificCoastPress I know you meant to reply to the video itself, not me, but… I actually do have a monotone voice. Drives my wife nuts.
My sentiments exactly 😂
A three hour tour...
...if not for the courage of the fearless crew, Starliner would be lost.😁
I don't understand how and why Boeing continually gets a pass on this stuff and is not held accountable. If this had happened to SpaceX there would probably be some kind congressional investigation and public outcry for their incompetence and heads would roll or contracts would be summarily cancelled.
It's because Elon doesn't go along with all the politicians who launder their money through Boeing... Allegedly.
There in the pockets of our politicians
Oh I don't think they're getting a pass on this. There's going to be a pretty fucking expensive post mortem. Probably NASA will get a killer deal on Boeing contracts for decades because of this debacle.
@@vmoutsop Because Elon won't get in line with all the politicians who are already bought by Boeing... Allegedly.
@@joshlitman8310Exactly.
Only Boeing is confident in Boeing.
Only in public statements... If they truly believed their own statements they would have sent it back by now.
@@chrisantoniou4366 Yep, that right. They have to show a brave and confidence while in Public. PR is a thing.
@@Wrangler-fp4ei However, it can backfire! Starliner is rubbish, Boeing know it and it's so obvious it isn't safe for the astronauts to return on Starliner that any statements to the contrary are considered to be the standard Boeing lies it spouted for the 737MAX disasters. All it shows is that Boeing has NOT learned its lesson and is still the same incompetent and untrustworthy organization it always was!
"Boeing is confident". Terrifying words.
Great update on the press conference! short, to the point and contain more information than most other space channels
Whatever happened to the maximum 40 day mission because of the Starlemon's batteries?
Weird, huh?
Hand wavy magic paperwork extension was issued. Stop being so difficult and hating science!
It magically disappeared!
Starliner was designed for 210 day lifetime. The 45 day battery life was a conservative limit for this mission and performance thus far shows it's absolutely fine to extend
@@AmbientMorality Apart form being apologist nonsense, how is extending the mission to 240 days (February 2025) still a safe option?
Apparently, the shareholders are more important than passengers, again.
Agreed. We can certainly take Boing's word that the vehicle is safe and ready to go.
b4 Trashliner docked and was having thruster issues we knew this was gonna happen yet some ppl and cc's were adamant about these failures being normal and yappin abt "that's why there's redundancy." In hindsight, i guess they were right. Doors flying off planes mid-flight, ✈️ crashing out the sky, murdering whistleblowers, failed space-capsules greenlit for human space missions despite pre-flight known failures... very normal... for Boeing
Glad you're back! I wouldn't trust Boing :P The door might fly off
I still think the astronauts will return on a crew rated Dream Chaser before returning on Boeing deathliner, sorry Starliner, Freudian slip 😂
Lol 7 months for a flight that was supposed to be a week. Sounds like Boeing took a lesson or 2 from the Russians when conducting their 'special flight operation'.
I hope they packed enough clean underwear.
They didn’t. They were allowed to bring up personal items with them
They should jettison this flying lemon and come home on Space-X. The families of those two astronauts should be getting a team of lawyers together. What happened to all that talk saying the StarLoser spacecraft would deteriorate the longer it stayed docked? This whole thing smells to high heaven.
So suppose they do indeed bring the astronauts home on Dragon. In that case what happens to starliner? Is it just canceled? Do they continue to operational missions despite not finishing the test objectives? Another test flight?
It would be hard to justify sinking more money into it - bit of a sunk cost fallacy at play. The braver option would be to mothball it. Even before this happened I was imagining how it felt for the Boeing Starliner astronauts waiting to fly, watch issue after issue in testing. Meanwhile, SpaceX launch reliability just continues to build.
@@mossyslopesPretty massive loss by cancelling it though.
It's only a matter of time before Boeing gets the bill for one Falcon 9 launch and two seats on a Dragon!🤣🚀
Hundred Mile Club in Hotel California with a one way reservation 😅
Upload the autonomous de-orbit software and let's run this Starliner experiment unmanned. If it works out then great. If not the crew can come home on Dragon.
Exactly! Why the heck do astronauts have to be on board to test never before tested software?
@@Hoopaball And why remove the autonomous de-orbit software? It's about the only thing that has worked correctly!
@chrisantoniou4366 it's my understanding they launched WITHOUT ANY de-orbit / re-entry software at all! "Somehow," it never occurred to anyone that re-entry is part of the flight plan.
@@Hoopaball I believe you but... WOW! just WOW!!! It seems that the systemic issues with Boeing's incompetence, slackness, stupidity, and criminal negligence, have yet to be acknowledged, let alone addressed.
@@Hoopaball this isn't true. nasa clearly stated in last conference that crew and uncrewed software is the same, except for mission configuration parameters which are set on the ground
Give Boeing a little more time.
MCAS will be sent up to fix Starliner soon.
Boin it up!
The good part of it is how much money the astronauts will make on overtime, night shift and festivities premium pay.
Exactly! "There is no point in taking the risk". Send it home alone and see how it does. Then use Dragon to safely get those astronauts home.
Apparently, even though the Starliner returned unmanned and automatically last time, the software to do this was wiped for this flight(!). This means Starliner is unable to return automatically. However, the problem is that it also can't be returned manually either because the thrusters will fail.
There is something rotten in the state of Denmark...
The capsule door would probably blow out on re-entry
@@Khemani_RL I understand you're being sarcastic, but there are still issues with the thrusters as well as question marks about the heat shield and the parachutes.
@@chrisantoniou4366 You really don't know what you're talking about, mainly because you didn't likely listen to the press briefing yesterday. It was not wiped. That's just nearly a complete lie from Eric Berger. The Starliner software is the same whether crewed or uncrewed. What needs to be updated is a “specific set of mission parameters”. NASA calls those Mission Data Loads. It might take a couple weeks or so just to verify everything's good, but no software modules or anything was removed.
And keep in mind, other than the manual test flight objectives Butch and Sunni did, Starliner actually automatically docked with ISS.
@@chrisantoniou4366 There are no heat shield issues with Starliner or its parachutes. You're confusing the Artemis I Orion heatshield issue with this.
There is nothing that happened the last couple of years that would make me doubt Boeing safety.
This is becoming pathetic. Almost a month and NASA and Boeing are still arguing? In the mean time, astronauts may die?!
Such incompetence. All related managers in any professional organisation will be made redundant by now.
No one’s going to die relax 😂 it’s either safe enough to get them home alive or it’s not and dragon brings them home alive in February. Either way no one dies.
If only we had a @spacex rep on the phone call.
🤔instead of sending Crew Dragon up with two empty seats send up the CEO of Boeing and the head of the Starship Program to fly vessel back
The CEO of Boeing has already been replaced.
But the other person who needs to go up, is whoever is in charge of the union.
It's the union that hires, fires, and reprimands the employees that design, build, and inspect things.
This isn't a management problem, it's a company wide problem.
Missed you guys, glad to have you back ! Yea, "Go Fever" is real and NASA's been caught up in it more than once. It's Good to hear some voices of wariness coming from NASA's directors. Boeing needs to prove that Starliner Will return Astronauts safely in ALL scenarios. Where's "Gordo" Cooper when you need him, his last Mercury Mission was the stuff of Legends. 🤗
I thought Starliner would need to leave the ISS before Crew Dragon can dock? Would NASA allow Starliner to depart uncrewed and have Butch and Suni without any ability to return to Earth while they wait for Crew Dragon to arrive? Or would the current Crew-8 mission depart, leaving Butch and Suni on the ISS with Starliner until Crew-9 arrives?
Boeing literally said the same things when it came to the 737 Max 😂 So interpret that how you want to
I would be dumping my Boeing stock if I had any… I would buy any if they were only listing on the market
Boeing is an important military contractor, the government isn't going to let it fail.
If stuckliner comes back alone, or with crew(probably not), and crashes, it'll be time to buy all the Boeing stock you can afford.
@@lordgarion514 nope, with the T7A jet trainer contract… they will grab more of our tax payer dollars.
As the titles says, I doubt this since SpaceX is ready to do the rescue but politics takes precedence over this matter....unfortunately.
Spacex is ready? When did they say that?
3:00
I've watched thousands of satarliner updates and at this point I won't comment anymore
It’s like Big Brother up there! Someone should make a movie of it. 😂 Seriously though, I have zero respect for any of these companies. Not professional or even competent. IMO.
Starring Tom's Cruise grandson before the astronauts can comeback to Earth.
Agreed.
Boeing is a boondoggle ! If I were an astronaut coming home I would insist on a falcon !
Whoever signes off on Starliners return with those astronauts will probably have a huge golden parachute in case of disaster.
I thought two Starliners have already returned safely. Unless the hardware has ben modified from the configuration used for those flights, the spacecraft is certified for return. NASA is looking foolish.
Good point. I agree 100%.
This is Boeings fault not NASA's, but NASA needs to cancel Starliner and use dream chaser
It’s not the hardware, it’s the software apparently. The software that allowed it to autonomously undock during OFT-2 was modified, for some reason, so without updates they can’t even have it do an uncrewed undock and deorbit make room for Crew 9
@@CRod840 , just let the astronauts return as planned.
@@zander_the_space_nerd , the delay is totally NASA’s fault. They contracted Boeing to build Starliner. They have. Boeing says Starliner is ready to return. NASA is delaying. Dream Chaser is totally unproven. Starliner has successfully returned twice. Using Crewdragon to return Starliner astronauts would be a totally unproven configuration.
Vladimir Putin could offer to save the lives of the American astronauts stranded at the ISS on humanitarian grounds...
All NASA and Washington have to do is ask!
dragon exists..?
@@AmbientMorality Dragon is ridled with schedule delays and will bring the poor stranded austronauts only next year!
Instead of this rash punishment to those who thought they would only spend a week in space Vladimir Putin can come to rescue NASA and Washington with a wave of his hand! 🤣🤣🤣
@@fingerprint8479 terrible take, NASA astronauts live for going to space and certainly do not mind a normal ISS stay of a bit over 6 months.
@@AmbientMorality Well, if that is the case, i hope they enjoy their forced stay.
They are not supposed to be there so will inherit all unwanted shores.
@@fingerprint8479 is inherit all unwanted shores some bad russian translation wtf
"whether they come home on starliner or dragon" seems like yet another attempt at milking the boeing situation for views and clout. you took a several-week break with no updates, just to begin AND conclude with an overhyped nothing-burger. please cover something else.
EDIT: this is literally your 10th video on this situation and youve basically said the same thing every video. "helium leaks, rcs problems, testing at white-sands, butch and sunny follow ground crew, dragon might bring them back, etc." and everytime the comment section is a cesspool of sly jokes about starliner and boeing whistleblowers, meanwhile we are learning almost nothing new from you.
What the hell are they waiting for, the astronauts to die of old age? Just send a crew dragon already and send Boeing the bill.
Dragon. Next!
Those two souls are screwed.
If they wait long enough they can all ride the ISS back to earth when it deorbits.
Tired of these AI voices
The longer that spacecraft is up there, the LESS RELIABLE it will be. Imagine not using your car, that is sitting in the garage, for six months.
Especially when it was originally certified as being safe only if it's left there for less than 40 days...
Starliar.
They just need a ride back from ABB (anybody but Boeing.)
Suni is frightening
Bowing dose not understand the word safe. Breing crew home on dragon and send crash dummys for bowing starliner
Quick reminder that butch and suni weren’t allowed to bring up personal items with them
Dump Starliner and refuse to pay for any over-runs.
This is a fixed price, not cost plus contract.