Agreed with the whole discussion, especially the last part. Speaking for myself, as a 47 years old, 4 stripe brown belt, I've been training for over 12 years now, and the closer I get to that black belt promotion, the less motivated I feel to train; precisely because I don't want to be one of those 'black belts that suck'. To be honest I'd happily have stayed a purple belt for life; as I do think that is my 'true' level of skill. I have competed occasionally from white to purple; did ok in some competitions but never lit the world on fire with my performances. The closer the promotion to black belt gets, it feels more like something looming over me than something to look forward to. It's the first time in my life I'm actually seriously considering quitting BJJ. The only reason I haven't done so yet is that I've yet to find something I would be as passionate about that would keep my healthy both mentally and physically, else I'd have already stepped away.
I totally feel this and thanks for the honesty. I’m a 51 yr old blue belt. enjoying the journey. I’ve thought about black but this put into words what I struggled to put my finger on. 🙏🏼
You have to distinguish between the loss of effectiveness due to age and sucking due to a lack of technique, knowledge, sensitivity, timing, etc. The former is unavoidable as you age--we all slow down and our bodies begin to fail us, but the later is not unavoidable. You can continue to improve technically year after year, even though your body can't execute the way it would be able to if you were younger. Don't confuse the two issues. I might do a video on this subject.
I feel you brother, I'm a 45 year old brown belt. There are legit competitive blue and purple belts in my gym that would smoke me every day of the week. I feel like I don't have anything to really offer them, or the school. I'm an old war horse, but I play the game conservatively at this point, and I feel like it puts me at a disadvantage. I too have felt the urge to hang up the belt. In part, I feel like I just don't enjoy it the same way, as the price I pay for a hard class is much more than I did 10 years ago. I respect you for speaking out, because I feel like the BJJ community is not kind to old men. I think the sport is going the way of wrestling honestly, where you will rarely find anyone in their 30's doing it who isn't a coach.
Awesome content, as usual! Happy New Year. One of my favorite "myths" you discussed was about position before submission. I'm a 3-stripe blue belt, my view from this position is, it evolves. Meaning, new practitioners, need to understand the positions, for familiarity, which opens up insight to attacks... but having rolled with some amazing brown and black belts, establishing position is "in flight" and not a rigid point, hence why they (you) are able to execute on precision and efficiencies of "almost position" that a lower belt (self included) doesn't see as quickly.
Good conversation. As a brown belt in BJJ, I have been training and competing for 9 years. I am 55 years old and train 5-6 days a week. I think you guys did a great job with this and as far as the black belt debate, I do believe there are multiple levels; A 25 year old black belt, who competes is not the same a s a 55 year old black belt who doesn't. Great insight and information to the masses...
This is my view on the old school vs. the new school debate. I choose to learn and use the grappling skills that would allow me to survive a riot, multiple attacker scenario, or prison(I am not planning on going to prison) or a battlefield. I have the same mentality towards my striking techniques. Another great point you hit was at about 15:30 with kids getting black belts and having a false sense of security. I left my organization, the United Fighting Arts Federation (UFAF) because anybody could be given a black belt. Jiujitsu is the last true martial art where your abilities are proven on the mat. Excellent video and my best wishes to you both.
As always, great wisdom. Starting jiu jitsu late, my philosophy was that I didn't care if I ever earned a belt. I just wanted to learn. Of course there are many variables in fighting, age, size, fitness, skill, knowledge, etc. Every belt should mean something other than just time on the mat and "trying", IMO. It's a stretch, but a pilot, surgeon or any skilled job require knowledge and skills.
@NextScamdemic Yes, and what's your point. I reckon he's been doing too many techniques and not enough live resistance training. When I see someone who is in this situation, this is usually the reason.
I recently was training with an MMA fighter who was surprised he could not strike me in my guard. The idea was simple. Under unified MMA rules on the ground - he has only two weapons - his arms. I just controlled his arms and he could not get a strike in... and eventually I swept him and was on top without taking any damage. This isn't because of any technique per se - it's a recognition of controlling distance and controlling his weapons. Folks who train only sport DO know how to do this, but they need to be shown explicitly from time to time how it applies in a fight where more than grappling is allowed.
PS: We 100% do teach wrestling and judo and securing a takedown as the preferred way to engage on the feet if the situation won't just let you run away. The joke in the gym is that God kills a kitten when you pull guard (although we have definitely told some folks to kill a kitten when facing someone like a D1 wrestler in a sport context)
50 year old Black Belt here. I use the video game power bar analogy to explain the effect of strength and all physical attributes/athleticism in general. Everyone has a base natural power bar level based on your size, gender, natural athleticism, strength, speed, agility, etc etc. That natural bar goes up with age to a point and then starts going down as we age. As an example, consider that a 45 years old 105 pound female would have a smaller base power bar than a 20 year old 200 pound man. Then we add on training. Her training at blue belt might still not be enough to make her power bar bigger than the 20 year old 200 pound man who has not trained anything at all. Maybe at purple belt she is still losing but she is surviving and escaping or holding her own against him. At Brown belt she might be starting to achieve positional dominance. A black belt she might be submitting him. Without training she has no chance, but her power bar is able to catch his natural power bar with training and even surpass it. Then she faces another identical 20 year old when she is 65 and can only hold her own or maybe is just surviving. Again, in what world without training would she not be killed in seconds?
Put another way - athleticism and skill are added together to create your total efficacy. It is possible to have efficacy without skill if your athleticism exceeds your opponent's athleticism and skill combined.
hi Rick and Michael, it was awesome to meet and train with you both at Clark's last Fall. Hope to do it again soon! Thanks for this video - great insights by two wise and experienced black belts. Your comments on blackbelts and promotions are interesting. Given that age and size does matter, I am wondering if it would be worthwhile to do a future video/discussion on how expectations for a practitioner would change (if any) when accounting for age and size. Lets be honest, a 50 year old purple or brown belt can really struggle against a very fit, young competent blue belt. When promoting an older practitioner, should we account for size and age?
Interesting discussion. In seems that BJJ has evolved to be a contest against itself. Like chess. Can it help you with other things, of course. Can it be fun... sure. Fulfilling... I suppose if you enjoy what it is then fine, more power to ya. Like other MA, it is a process and a grind using consensual violence to challenge yourself. Competative proficiency requires improvements in all physical and mental parameters. From that perspective... it is excellent. Delusions aside; Intelligence helps, Technique helps, Strategy helps BUT physics cannot be ignored. When talent and experience are comparable then Bigger, Stronger, Faster always has the edge. You cannot beat father time.
How do you guys feel about the “Boyd Belt” scale that Rener and Ryron talk about? The Boyd Belts is a training philosophy developed by Rener Gracie to help describe the challenges of rolling with people of different ages and weight classes in jiu-jitsu. The idea is that for every 20 pounds someone is heavier than you, they are considered to be one belt higher. For example, if you are a 160-pound blue belt and grapple with a 200-pound blue belt, the weight advantage of the heavier person is the same as having a brown belt over you.
Not really you got big fat guys who can't move and get their back taken or hang out the entire round in turtle, doesn't mean they are better than the smaller guy just because they're heavier
Can also be thinking of Not giving up a position in order to prevent subs and points. You can develop strength and agility and all that through consistency. Gi is like a a hoodie. Do Both. I'm a 7 month white belt 40 year old at 10th Planet. and I've seen the myths in a different light. I'm about to compete for the first time and its in a CJI wall pit. In my area I have to play against 25 year olds in No gi
Thanks so much! Love the content you provide! In my experience, there is too much emphasis on the sport aspect early in BJJ and not enough training focused on reliable self defense. Most people stop training at blue belt so why not, as an instructor, ensure that a person can defend him or herself at that level? In my mind, that's the instructor's responsibility to the student and to the preservation of the art. I too have encountered many intermediate and higher ranks in BJJ that cannot execute basic self defense from various positions but they can show you how to go to the kiss of the dragon if your partner defends the omoplata. At blue belt, self defense should be very fluent, effective and somewhat instinctual. Best wishes!
I personally think the strength thing is a lot like position/submission; something told to lower belts. It's not quite true but it's a safety thing. Many have probably seen the 235lb+ powerlifter who has basically no technique and smashes people at white belt, even smashes some blues because, well, he's a powerlifter and can just overpower people. But he's still spazzy AF and the combination is actually dangerous to other people. On top of that he's not actually learning and no one wants to roll with him because he's the type that causes injuries. Spazzy whitebelt powerlifter going for a kimura and wrenching some 150lb dude's shoulder? No one wants that. Toss him in with a purple, brown or black who ties him up in knots and it changes the mindset from falling back on raw power to "Oh, there's things to learn here" and gets such people to calm down and pay attention to technique in a manner that makes them less dangerous to training partners early on and now he is learning because people will roll with him. Unless of course they're 'roided to the gills in which case they should, and usually do, get tossed. Sure, the guy's still a beast but at least he's [self]controlled at that point.
RE: training in GI. Yeah, people wear clothes, and many fundamental skills or techniques learned in GI don't require grips on the GI or belt anyway. I choose to train mostly in GI and "old school" BJJ because of my age and size. It helps me to slow things down and train at a pace and intensity I can train consistently every week.
The idea that every ten years older is a belt lower. That means that a 60 years old black is a 20 years old white belt. Which I find ridiculous and also doesn't work like that during rolling. And how much should an instructor consider age during promotions? I sometimes feel that it should not be a factor, meaning that you might never get to brown or black if you miss the physical abilities to hold it up.
The idea is that every ten years in difference between you and your opponent is equivalent to a belt in terms of difficulty. In other words, a 60 year old black belt going against a 40 year old purple belt experiences the same relative challenge that the 60 year old would face against a black belt of his same age.
Size matters for sure. If 2 guys are equal in skill set, the bigger guy will come out on top. That's why there's weight divisions. I also believe that training in the gi (only) does not translate in the streets. I live in a warm climate and people that get into fights tend to remove their shirts before fighting.
Not everybody can be a brown or black belt, just because you train doesn't mean you get the belt after 10 years. When I was a blue belt, I rolled with many upper belts some were very good most were horrible, they couldn't submit me, and I don't have a wrestling background, a lot of people get belts they don't deserve. Just because I trained really hard to make the US Olympic track team, I wasn't good enough, just because I put in the effort to beat Usain Bolt in 100 meters it's not going to happen. Some people have to accept that they will never be a black belt or great actor, or CEO of Apple.
What does a black belt really mean? You can train in old school bjj and now you're 50 and can't invert? How do you measure what a belt should do? Does a blue belt need to know how to hit a tarikoplata? What if he doesn't but a white belt can? What if he can't pull it off on a person 50lb heavier? Is it really important to get recognition from someone who has been doing it longer? Or to feel better than others? I am a black belt, it took me ten years in any martial art. I was a long road, lots of injuries, and honestly I still suck and now I am old. Just saying, I think you can look at it like this: are you a blue belt or black belt at controlling someone in sidecontrol that is 10lb heavier or 100lbs heavier? Or a black belt at leg locks?
15:00 in general, ya'll instructors are too stingy with belts and have too many hidden requirements or base it off your feelings, got good people flying under the radar I've seen at every school I've visited "why is x still a x belt" then that person gets hurt trying to constantly prove themselves & quits
"Jiu-jitsu" absolutely was designed such that the weaker person could defeat the stronger guy or at least the trained guy could beat the untrained guy. Kano literally designed judo for this purpose, who was a very small person. No one says that it was invented for this purpose for jiu-jitsu vs jiu-jitsu. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, which is what you should be referencing (i.e., sports bjj is not the reference here) is pretty much what judo is except that the emphasis is merely on the ground portion of judo; that's really the only difference between Gracie Jiu-Jitsu vs judo. Your entire frame of reference is sports bjj, but many of us don't care about sports bjj. I train to takedown, pass, and submit. I don't want to roll on my back, butt scoot, or practice weird guards that will just mess your body up. If i get taken down or end up on my back, my entire game is to get back up on my feet.
People do make fun of Gracie Jiu-jitsu and gracie University, but their Jiu-jitsu is really good... their live grappling doesn't get good until purple, though, unless they had previous grappling experience.
You talk to simplistic, it hides the holes in your argument. Those advanced techniques are still techniques that can be effective, given the person performing them. This old v new bs is silly, you learn both and acknowledge that the new is pushing boundaries. In every sport the people who stood out where the ones who pushed boundaries in techniques, conditioning etc. It's a gradient and you should know all aspects and decide where in the gradient you lie and go deep to become effective and efficient. PS, just because you do simple bjj doesn't mean you won't get hurt, my guy... that's the dumbest take ever 🤣
Agreed with the whole discussion, especially the last part. Speaking for myself, as a 47 years old, 4 stripe brown belt, I've been training for over 12 years now, and the closer I get to that black belt promotion, the less motivated I feel to train; precisely because I don't want to be one of those 'black belts that suck'. To be honest I'd happily have stayed a purple belt for life; as I do think that is my 'true' level of skill. I have competed occasionally from white to purple; did ok in some competitions but never lit the world on fire with my performances. The closer the promotion to black belt gets, it feels more like something looming over me than something to look forward to. It's the first time in my life I'm actually seriously considering quitting BJJ. The only reason I haven't done so yet is that I've yet to find something I would be as passionate about that would keep my healthy both mentally and physically, else I'd have already stepped away.
I totally feel this and thanks for the honesty. I’m a 51 yr old blue belt. enjoying the journey. I’ve thought about black but this put into words what I struggled to put my finger on. 🙏🏼
Damn , you've got to be a legitimate brown belt. (I can just tell lol). There's gotta be better alternatives than just retiring over a darn belt
You have to distinguish between the loss of effectiveness due to age and sucking due to a lack of technique, knowledge, sensitivity, timing, etc. The former is unavoidable as you age--we all slow down and our bodies begin to fail us, but the later is not unavoidable. You can continue to improve technically year after year, even though your body can't execute the way it would be able to if you were younger. Don't confuse the two issues. I might do a video on this subject.
I feel you brother, I'm a 45 year old brown belt. There are legit competitive blue and purple belts in my gym that would smoke me every day of the week. I feel like I don't have anything to really offer them, or the school. I'm an old war horse, but I play the game conservatively at this point, and I feel like it puts me at a disadvantage. I too have felt the urge to hang up the belt. In part, I feel like I just don't enjoy it the same way, as the price I pay for a hard class is much more than I did 10 years ago. I respect you for speaking out, because I feel like the BJJ community is not kind to old men. I think the sport is going the way of wrestling honestly, where you will rarely find anyone in their 30's doing it who isn't a coach.
A very honest post...
Awesome content, as usual! Happy New Year. One of my favorite "myths" you discussed was about position before submission. I'm a 3-stripe blue belt, my view from this position is, it evolves. Meaning, new practitioners, need to understand the positions, for familiarity, which opens up insight to attacks... but having rolled with some amazing brown and black belts, establishing position is "in flight" and not a rigid point, hence why they (you) are able to execute on precision and efficiencies of "almost position" that a lower belt (self included) doesn't see as quickly.
Good conversation. As a brown belt in BJJ, I have been training and competing for 9 years. I am 55 years old and train 5-6 days a week. I think you guys did a great job with this and as far as the black belt debate, I do believe there are multiple levels; A 25 year old black belt, who competes is not the same a s a 55 year old black belt who doesn't. Great insight and information to the masses...
This is my view on the old school vs. the new school debate. I choose to learn and use the grappling skills that would allow me to survive a riot, multiple attacker scenario, or prison(I am not planning on going to prison) or a battlefield. I have the same mentality towards my striking techniques. Another great point you hit was at about 15:30 with kids getting black belts and having a false sense of security. I left my organization, the United Fighting Arts Federation (UFAF) because anybody could be given a black belt. Jiujitsu is the last true martial art where your abilities are proven on the mat. Excellent video and my best wishes to you both.
As always, great wisdom. Starting jiu jitsu late, my philosophy was that I didn't care if I ever earned a belt. I just wanted to learn. Of course there are many variables in fighting, age, size, fitness, skill, knowledge, etc. Every belt should mean something other than just time on the mat and "trying", IMO. It's a stretch, but a pilot, surgeon or any skilled job require knowledge and skills.
I can't conceive how the guy could train every day for 3+ years and not possibly have attained at least a blue belt level of knowledge.
I can. He's been dead drilling.
@@Bradley9967 he was Rick's student from what I surmised.
@NextScamdemic Yes, and what's your point. I reckon he's been doing too many techniques and not enough live resistance training. When I see someone who is in this situation, this is usually the reason.
I recently was training with an MMA fighter who was surprised he could not strike me in my guard. The idea was simple. Under unified MMA rules on the ground - he has only two weapons - his arms. I just controlled his arms and he could not get a strike in... and eventually I swept him and was on top without taking any damage. This isn't because of any technique per se - it's a recognition of controlling distance and controlling his weapons. Folks who train only sport DO know how to do this, but they need to be shown explicitly from time to time how it applies in a fight where more than grappling is allowed.
PS: We 100% do teach wrestling and judo and securing a takedown as the preferred way to engage on the feet if the situation won't just let you run away. The joke in the gym is that God kills a kitten when you pull guard (although we have definitely told some folks to kill a kitten when facing someone like a D1 wrestler in a sport context)
50 year old Black Belt here. I use the video game power bar analogy to explain the effect of strength and all physical attributes/athleticism in general. Everyone has a base natural power bar level based on your size, gender, natural athleticism, strength, speed, agility, etc etc. That natural bar goes up with age to a point and then starts going down as we age. As an example, consider that a 45 years old 105 pound female would have a smaller base power bar than a 20 year old 200 pound man. Then we add on training. Her training at blue belt might still not be enough to make her power bar bigger than the 20 year old 200 pound man who has not trained anything at all. Maybe at purple belt she is still losing but she is surviving and escaping or holding her own against him. At Brown belt she might be starting to achieve positional dominance. A black belt she might be submitting him. Without training she has no chance, but her power bar is able to catch his natural power bar with training and even surpass it. Then she faces another identical 20 year old when she is 65 and can only hold her own or maybe is just surviving. Again, in what world without training would she not be killed in seconds?
Put another way - athleticism and skill are added together to create your total efficacy. It is possible to have efficacy without skill if your athleticism exceeds your opponent's athleticism and skill combined.
hi Rick and Michael, it was awesome to meet and train with you both at Clark's last Fall. Hope to do it again soon! Thanks for this video - great insights by two wise and experienced black belts. Your comments on blackbelts and promotions are interesting. Given that age and size does matter, I am wondering if it would be worthwhile to do a future video/discussion on how expectations for a practitioner would change (if any) when accounting for age and size. Lets be honest, a 50 year old purple or brown belt can really struggle against a very fit, young competent blue belt. When promoting an older practitioner, should we account for size and age?
Great conversation, more please.
Interesting discussion.
In seems that BJJ has evolved to be a contest against itself.
Like chess.
Can it help you with other things, of course.
Can it be fun... sure.
Fulfilling... I suppose if you enjoy what it is then fine, more power to ya.
Like other MA, it is a process and a grind using consensual violence to challenge yourself. Competative proficiency requires improvements in all physical and mental parameters. From that perspective... it is excellent.
Delusions aside; Intelligence helps, Technique helps, Strategy helps BUT physics cannot be ignored. When talent and experience are comparable then Bigger, Stronger, Faster always has the edge.
You cannot beat father time.
Great stuff
Thanks for this great video. Well said.
How do you guys feel about the “Boyd Belt” scale that Rener and Ryron talk about?
The Boyd Belts is a training philosophy developed by Rener Gracie to help describe the challenges of rolling with people of different ages and weight classes in jiu-jitsu. The idea is that for every 20 pounds someone is heavier than you, they are considered to be one belt higher. For example, if you are a 160-pound blue belt and grapple with a 200-pound blue belt, the weight advantage of the heavier person is the same as having a brown belt over you.
I think there's some merit to this idea.
Every 10 years is a belt too, so you could have someone 20 years younger and 50lbs heavier than you, turn you into a white belt
Not really you got big fat guys who can't move and get their back taken or hang out the entire round in turtle, doesn't mean they are better than the smaller guy just because they're heavier
@@badxradxandy I guess maybe it works better if we assume we are talking about people with similar body composition / body fat percentages...
@@davelounsbury4830 There's a point where there's diminishing returns to size
Can also be thinking of Not giving up a position in order to prevent subs and points. You can develop strength and agility and all that through consistency. Gi is like a a hoodie. Do Both. I'm a 7 month white belt 40 year old at 10th Planet. and I've seen the myths in a different light. I'm about to compete for the first time and its in a CJI wall pit. In my area I have to play against 25 year olds in No gi
Your partners don’t don’t pull your gi over your head?😂 happens to me all the time!
Thanks so much! Love the content you provide! In my experience, there is too much emphasis on the sport aspect early in BJJ and not enough training focused on reliable self defense. Most people stop training at blue belt so why not, as an instructor, ensure that a person can defend him or herself at that level? In my mind, that's the instructor's responsibility to the student and to the preservation of the art. I too have encountered many intermediate and higher ranks in BJJ that cannot execute basic self defense from various positions but they can show you how to go to the kiss of the dragon if your partner defends the omoplata. At blue belt, self defense should be very fluent, effective and somewhat instinctual. Best wishes!
I personally think the strength thing is a lot like position/submission; something told to lower belts. It's not quite true but it's a safety thing.
Many have probably seen the 235lb+ powerlifter who has basically no technique and smashes people at white belt, even smashes some blues because, well, he's a powerlifter and can just overpower people. But he's still spazzy AF and the combination is actually dangerous to other people. On top of that he's not actually learning and no one wants to roll with him because he's the type that causes injuries. Spazzy whitebelt powerlifter going for a kimura and wrenching some 150lb dude's shoulder? No one wants that.
Toss him in with a purple, brown or black who ties him up in knots and it changes the mindset from falling back on raw power to "Oh, there's things to learn here" and gets such people to calm down and pay attention to technique in a manner that makes them less dangerous to training partners early on and now he is learning because people will roll with him. Unless of course they're 'roided to the gills in which case they should, and usually do, get tossed.
Sure, the guy's still a beast but at least he's [self]controlled at that point.
RE: training in GI. Yeah, people wear clothes, and many fundamental skills or techniques learned in GI don't require grips on the GI or belt anyway.
I choose to train mostly in GI and "old school" BJJ because of my age and size. It helps me to slow things down and train at a pace and intensity I can train consistently every week.
The idea that every ten years older is a belt lower. That means that a 60 years old black is a 20 years old white belt. Which I find ridiculous and also doesn't work like that during rolling.
And how much should an instructor consider age during promotions? I sometimes feel that it should not be a factor, meaning that you might never get to brown or black if you miss the physical abilities to hold it up.
The idea is that every ten years in difference between you and your opponent is equivalent to a belt in terms of difficulty. In other words, a 60 year old black belt going against a 40 year old purple belt experiences the same relative challenge that the 60 year old would face against a black belt of his same age.
Size matters for sure. If 2 guys are equal in skill set, the bigger guy will come out on top. That's why there's weight divisions. I also believe that training in the gi (only) does not translate in the streets. I live in a warm climate and people that get into fights tend to remove their shirts before fighting.
Eyy first comment, thanks for everything Rick 🙏🙏🙏
I’ve heard “control before submission” rather than position
Not everybody can be a brown or black belt, just because you train doesn't mean you get the belt after 10 years. When I was a blue belt, I rolled with many upper belts some were very good most were horrible, they couldn't submit me, and I don't have a wrestling background, a lot of people get belts they don't deserve. Just because I trained really hard to make the US Olympic track team, I wasn't good enough, just because I put in the effort to beat Usain Bolt in 100 meters it's not going to happen. Some people have to accept that they will never be a black belt or great actor, or CEO of Apple.
Purple belt here, knee on belly and mount CAN easily turn into a submission of your partner/ opponent sucks bad enough lol
What does a black belt really mean? You can train in old school bjj and now you're 50 and can't invert? How do you measure what a belt should do? Does a blue belt need to know how to hit a tarikoplata? What if he doesn't but a white belt can? What if he can't pull it off on a person 50lb heavier? Is it really important to get recognition from someone who has been doing it longer? Or to feel better than others?
I am a black belt, it took me ten years in any martial art. I was a long road, lots of injuries, and honestly I still suck and now I am old.
Just saying, I think you can look at it like this: are you a blue belt or black belt at controlling someone in sidecontrol that is 10lb heavier or 100lbs heavier? Or a black belt at leg locks?
I meant not "any" but "in another".
Time stamps please
That evolution happens with all forms of art, most newer heavy metal bands don't sound anything like the Beatles...
"Position before submission" Thank you for dispelling that myth.
When did BJJ become a sport?
15:00 in general, ya'll instructors are too stingy with belts and have too many hidden requirements or base it off your feelings, got good people flying under the radar I've seen at every school I've visited "why is x still a x belt" then that person gets hurt trying to constantly prove themselves & quits
"Jiu-jitsu" absolutely was designed such that the weaker person could defeat the stronger guy or at least the trained guy could beat the untrained guy. Kano literally designed judo for this purpose, who was a very small person. No one says that it was invented for this purpose for jiu-jitsu vs jiu-jitsu. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, which is what you should be referencing (i.e., sports bjj is not the reference here) is pretty much what judo is except that the emphasis is merely on the ground portion of judo; that's really the only difference between Gracie Jiu-Jitsu vs judo. Your entire frame of reference is sports bjj, but many of us don't care about sports bjj. I train to takedown, pass, and submit. I don't want to roll on my back, butt scoot, or practice weird guards that will just mess your body up. If i get taken down or end up on my back, my entire game is to get back up on my feet.
Shhh.
This right here 💯 Jiu Jitsu was definitely designed to shit can bigger opponents that arnt trained.
People do make fun of Gracie Jiu-jitsu and gracie University, but their Jiu-jitsu is really good... their live grappling doesn't get good until purple, though, unless they had previous grappling experience.
You talk to simplistic, it hides the holes in your argument. Those advanced techniques are still techniques that can be effective, given the person performing them. This old v new bs is silly, you learn both and acknowledge that the new is pushing boundaries. In every sport the people who stood out where the ones who pushed boundaries in techniques, conditioning etc. It's a gradient and you should know all aspects and decide where in the gradient you lie and go deep to become effective and efficient. PS, just because you do simple bjj doesn't mean you won't get hurt, my guy... that's the dumbest take ever 🤣
@@JonOcasio Anytime someone spells "too" with "to," I know it's a lost cause, and I just zone the person out.
Ild school gi jiu jitsu is the only on that is real Brazilian jiu jitsu