Yeah. There's no point in a "secret code" if everyone knows it. They should focus their efforts on practical ways to protect people. And a signal which can actually be communicated unnoticed.
@SM-e9i let's break it down... 1. This takes the person immediately away from danger. 2. It allows for those who can help the person to ring up authorities where the perpetrator could be arrested. 3. It creates an environment where people feel safer. Do you have any issues with any of those points? 3.
@SM-e9iso your point is basically "if we start helping women in pubs then the abusers will just start going somewhere else, so there's no point in helping women anywhere"?
@jdchsdjhj For the threatened girl, the "source of the problem" is the guy who is possibly sitting right next to her... Whether he happen to arrive in a car, or a bus or a boat is immaterial...
@@SCK586sorry but if you can’t tell anyone your uncomfortable without a secret code word no one’s ever heard of then you shouldn’t be going out to a bar with strangers. It’s your responsibility to keep yourself safe. Anyone in a bar is gonna help a girl out if she’s being harassed but it’s her responsibility to express that. Ridiculous example used as well… your not allowed to touch a girls hand your on a date with now? If you are anxious to the level where you literally cannot communicate that you are in danger then you should stay indoors.
then the obvious reply is "sure, how?" and then they need to give a long explanation. Assuming the staff know the code word then they know to bring them behind the bar
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the bar staff get paid minimum wage to serve drinks not to be police officers..
@@MikeMike-ms1ns Better to not go to bars on a date in the first place. Drunk (and high) people, noise and music that is not your own, all make it a mine field.
Honest question: Is “Angela” a word or name that the perpetrator is not capable of hearing or reading off the board? I’m struggling to understand how the staff are expected to know what the code means while the perpetrator, who might also have access to this public information, wouldn’t.
The bar staff are trained to understand what it means, whereas the average creep probably doesn't. It's also not about the creeps themselves, but about their victims being able to evacuate quickly, safely, and without embarrassment. If you can't understand why something like this is necessary, it's likely because women severely dislike you and you have no friends who are women.
This is what happens when people who live online think internet trends translate to the real world "safety scheme" no, .a twitter post seen by less than 2% of the population.
Were u not watching? This is something that's been implemented and like they said in the vid, they literally say most councils make it an expectation of a pub getting their licence, they used hundreds of thousands of public money, so taxes to train staff with official backing from the london mayor and the metropolitan police. So no This isn't just an Internet trend that less than 2% of the population saw. I'm now 21 and I knew about this from the age of 13
@SM-e9ido u not read signs put up in ur bar? Or perhaps ur management doesn't care about protecting its customers bc I knew about ask Angela when I was 13, I'm now 21
Sometimes the person will insist on going to the bar with you, so you can't really say "hey, this guy is making me feel unsafe, could you please help me" when he's literally standing next to you... 🤦🏻♀️
@@Bea359 Right except he also knows this code phrase, so whats the difference? or are we making sure the predators never learn it? its so stupid its beyond. just ask for help. Also i think the guy might find it a bit strange when you are ushered out the fire exit.
@@ThatAtheistGuy20 I don't think you understand how scary it is to be in a situation like that where the man isn't respecting your "no" and makes it seem like unless you can disappear safely with someone's help he will end up following you home... When your body is in fight/flight it can be hard to think straight so it's helpful to have a codeword you can use, instead of figuring out how to phrase it best to help the bartender understand what is going on...
@@Bea359 I do understand. because as a man im more likely than a woman to experience random violence. Im saying I think the best thing you can do is just flat out ask for help. I think code words just serve to further confuse things. If you ask for help I guarantee every other male in that room will help you.
When I was security for 13 years I was aware of it and took immediate action when someone ask and there was another code out there. now days I take care of family. Safe guarding is not just for kids and vulnerable people it's for EVERYONE!!! KEEP SAFE PEEPS.
I have worked in pubs, we probably just had a fleeting knowing of Angela but no training. Sorry to say but do not straight away hate on bar staff, they may have not been trained. But it mostly comes down to, working behind a busy bar is very exhausting. (Physically, emotionally and mentally) Your mind is stretched all over the place, so many things you have to watch out for, also serving multiple people at the same time etc, in a loud environment. It is not as all simple as you may think. Please just simply ask for help. Or can we come up with a better system, rather than asking for someone's name. Even if you were trained not everyone can click on straight away, also due to the job and environment.
Even if Jimmy saville was Alive when you was a kid he would have told you to feck off 😂❤❤ your special needs are probably worse then the people he got close to.
All want to start remembering in Europe our empires don't exist in Europe anymore but the world outside of Europe exists because of it today. I don't think you want us Germans Brits and french and Russians Spanish and Portuguese living in the past today.
'Venues that support ‘Ask for Angela’ have been given Welfare And Vulnerability Engagement (WAVE) training. ' Met I agree regarding the code 'Angela' if someone is very stressed or tipsy/drunk, unlikely to remember code (unless they seek refuge in the toilets and focus on the poster, if there). But its good as an option as people clearly understand 'help" Scheme has other benefits, such as training.
It doesn't matter in the slightest if there's a real Angela behind the bar - - Just so long as she and every other member of the bar Staff are fully trained and aware.. It simply makes no difference to us at all
Maybe you shouldn't meet people you don't know from the intetnet for a date, it's amazing how people think all their saftey should be taken care of by other people
Every new person you go out with on a date is a stranger, doesn't matter if you met them on the Internet, through a friend or in a line at the supermarket... 🤦🏻♀️ also "Angela" can be used when someone you don't know is bothering you at the pub and not taking "no" for an answer, so you're scared they'd follow you home if you simply decide to leave. It's not just for women who are on dates.
@SM-e9i so pretending that women getting harrased isn't actually happening and telling them to manage it on their own is now being called "respecting women's autonomy"? What if you fall over and break your arm or get hit by a car and ask a stranger stabding next to you to call an ambulance: would they be "respecting your autonomy" if they told you to do it yourself?
@@Bea359 [Every new person you go out with on a date is a stranger] That suggests that nobody who is already an acquaintance could possibly ask you out. I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant, but in your haste to generalize your mouth got ahead of your brain. I suppose you could try claiming that "new person" meant stranger, but that amounts to you saying "every stranger is a stranger"
What's the point of having a code word if it isn't kept secret like if everybody knows of the Ask Angela rule then the person thats harassing them will be aware of it
Having watched this I think the phrase should be "I need to speak to Angela". Asking if Angela is working might just throw the staff who may be busy and not click straight away. If they say there's noone called Angela who works here, repeat "No, I need to speak to Angela". Just an idea but probably staff need more training.
@@lynnanderson1923 the poster doesn't say how to ask, it just says "ask for Angela", so you can ask if Angela is working tonight or if you could speak to Angela or if someone could call Angela over x
The code is a name of a person because it allows women to pretend that their friend Angela works there sometimes and they want to find out if she's there that night... Not sure what's ridiculous about that 🤔
@@Bea359 All she has to do is tell the guy to leave her alone or she will call the police or say to the bar staff or the doorman or any of the other people drinking in there that she is being harassed instead of playing silly childish guessing games.
This scheme is a great idea. I am sure that a number of staff around UK have been trained in accordance. However, work in hospitality is usually a short term affair with huge staff turnovers. Its very likely that a number of staff are new and have simply not been trained in accordance. Male staff in particular because posters like these are usually only in women's bathrooms hence they will not have the same level of passive exposure and awareness. However, I am sure all male staff are aware of the various erectile disfunction supplements and suicide helplines. It should be a policy that the funding this scheme received remains in perpetual and reinforced by the said pubs.
It is the worst idea! You are never to disclose the status of your staff." Oh, so Angela 's not in tonight?" Angela was found in the Thames. I thought Brits were smart, this is law in the west. Ask for help to avoid assault, drop a drink, do something else. "Is the manager in?" By god, there is no hope for Britain, is there? Fire the woke Karen who failed so spectacularly.
its supposed to be like a 'no-questions-asked' situation, you ask for angela and its supposed to mean "i need help getting out asap". you stand there explaining away about your situation and that'll give whoever the person is with enough time to twig that they might be getting reported, or for them to make moves (waiting for their target outside etc). a lot of men will act worse and probably become increasingly violent if they get called out for being creepy, best that getting out of a potentially dangerous situation is done with discretion
@@charlie891 It's stupid! Angela is a common name. What if you're looking for Angela? Whoever comes up with this stuff act's smart but is actually an idiot. The code name should be a name that sounds real that no one would have, like Gaffendi or some crap lol
Because it's kinda tricky to pretend you're just grabbing a drink when the abuser can hear you screaming over the bar "This man is making me feel unsafe and I need your help"...?
@Lee-ke9mx No, it's a serious question. I completely see the need for training on how to deal with this type of situation. However, If both the perpetrator and the victim both know a code word. I see no difference in saying, "I need help," and "Have you seen Angela. I just think it's an unnecessary potential point of failure or am I missing something?
@@michaelgriffiths5723 not really, no. It's definitely more tricky to scream "I need help" and have the staff figure out that what you mean by that is that you're in physical danger and not something like "I need help because I lost my phone and I can't call a taxi" or "I need help because I dropped my drink and there's glass everywhere". The codeword means that with that one word people know straight away what the situation is and what they have to do to keep this person safe.
@ please get me some help. I’m in trouble. Can you help me. If the person they are asking has literally just started that day and doesn’t know about the code name then it will be useless. Just seems to be a convoluted process. Which is typical for the UK.
@@defectiveresistor At which point, the bartender goes "What's the problem?". Then you'd have to further explain. Or you can just say an already designated codeword to shorten all of that
Asking for Angela means that you're taken to a more quiet place where you can explain what's going on. Isn't that easier than screaming over the bar that you're feeling unsafe and having to explain why, possibly having the other person overhear you saying it and making it harder for you to get away safely?
Just ask for help to begin with. None of the examples had the uncomfortable date within earshot, and if they had been they might well know what "asking for Angela" means in any case. Absolutely NOTHING is gained by using such a code word in lieu of plain language.
People are less likely to do this, we don’t want to have to explain to someone who may still not get it or be helpful enough. I feel women are more likely to get themselves to safety if this simple code can be given and people are trained to do the right thing.
@@DungeonKeeperLondonDungeonHireSituations can be complicated. Right now I'm high-tech gang stalked by my ex and his family. I have contacted authorities and they stated it's beyond them. People explain all they want but there isn't a guarantee of help. This "Ask Angela" method is a direct and secret way to say I need help now and get an immediate response.
It’s because it is QUICK! The woman might only have a second or two where she can escape and if she has to explain everything that will obviously take a heck of a lot longer and by then the person they are scared of might twig that she is trying to escape.
@@jujutrini8412 What? if you can say "Hi is Angela here" or "Can I speak to Angela" you can surely say "Help that guy is a creep and I'm scared" and that way you don't waste time with the bar staff trying to figure out what you mean.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwCalling for Angela is specific. It directly refers to wanting to walk away from an uncomfortable situation in the bar. If you just say "I need help!", the first thing they'd do is ask what they could help you with, and then you'd have a whole ass conversation. Elaborating or adding lines to "I need help!" just further proves that having a single code word should be plentiful to get yourself out of an icky situation.
5:30 "that bar man has just failed to help out someone in distress" No he didn't! If you need help, just ask for help. It's really that simple. Why do humans constantly try and over complicate things?!
The scheme is a silly waste of time. Moving money from pocket to pocket, that's all it is. Also, hardly discreet is it? People need to give their heads a wobble for gods sake.
They need to emphasise that "Ask for Angela" isn't limited to women. I met a woman off a dating app, we went for a drink and things were okay then she started acting really off; slightly aggressive, pushing me to do a line with her and kept saying she'd "bang me out" the final straw was when she told me she usually carries a nail gun around with her. I went to the bar for a drink, I said it to them - I think they saw the panic in my eyes and I was shown through the back area and as soon as my uber arrived I was gone.
They need to drop this whole stupid "Angela" thing. It's security theatre. Focus on teaching bar staff how to recognise and protect people who are under duress.
Idiotic considering they've put the codeword up on posters so everyone knows... If they can get to a member of staff it should be their duty to get them to a safe area away from harm until they can be picked up and taken home.
That is a very sad, response not at all funny. That response could have had horrific consequences. Would you have found it funny if it had been youself or someone close to you needing help straight away?
Launched in '21, in height of Pandemic Cognitive overload🙄 4:00 - BBC just ruined an epic safety protocol for this pub by publicising the name of *safe second pub* to all would-be creepy dates. BBC would be fired on 1st day working in IRA or GRU🤷♀️ In all fairness, ppl are only human ffs. Asking for a very bland & generic person's name isn't going to come across to a busy barworker as "alarmist". Especially when presented *without* apt Body Language, Facial Expression, & implicit biological fear response indicators (like neck tension, flared pupils, tightened throat, shallow breathing). If your reporter can't act or manifest bio' fear responses, then your reporter only comes across as "yet another bewildered drinker asking random insensible questions...in a busy bar". Guaranteed, most of those bar workers would respond appropriately to a woman who didn't know or had forgotten this generic name, but who had all the Body Language indicators *and* simply whispered "can you get me out of here?" or "I need to get away from my date". Infact, if someone was proper creeped out in a bar where you sit at tables/booths, rather than stand & dance, they likely wouldn't have been given the opportunity to even approach the bar in the first place, by the controlling creeper they were with. *He* would be the one going to the bar for the drinks and watching her like a hawk to ensure she didn't speak to any staff. You have more chance of approaching the bar in a nightclub. But you also have far more chance of him getting you "lost" into the crowd away from staff, and friends. This system is an incredibly foolish & silly system to be fair. Very naive. And frankly far too dumb to work, even for thick people - be they the clientele or bar staff (at any given moment). It would be far more effective if bars created their own cheap trinket, colour coded, medallions of some sort and handed them out to women-only as they enter the premises by streaming the women away from the men for a brief moment. Something they can tuck away in their handbag *AND* hook on to their handbag (or necklace/bracelet) later or at any time they become uncomfortable throughout the night. Or a cheap neon-paint dipped hair grip (sterilised every night in a UV-C box). Or a big piece of thick ribbon, that can work as a neck scarf, hair tie, tie-to-handbag handles etc. It would be only fair to fund it through a Vintners Association and/or collaboration with Public Safety Orgs & Funds. Pubs could also swop their batches of medallions with each other to change it up *and* return any stray medallions that don't belong to them to the nearby pubs they *know* carry that particular medallion on that particular week. The bar can hang multiples of the exact same trinket medallion at various places behind the bar & in staff back rooms, each night, so that staff can clearly see & note & be frequently reminded of the colour code and trinket type for that particular night/weekend/week (depending on their footfall/turnover volume). A bar-issued trinket or medallion would likely go unnoticed by random date and/or would be easy enough to explain away as "oh, it's just some merch' they gave us on way in. A keyring or something.....look, we also got a free promotional lip gloss/re-usable biodegradable bar mat-coaster thing/tube of glitter/neon glow stick/super cheap edible Pixie Sticks, cheaply neon-paint dipped hairgrips..,.."
How much training does it need to just leave..Or indeed just tell any member of staff rather than Angela. Or tell the guy your dating .. Strong independant woman. Weak lonely feminists more like.
How dare that pub owner fire that manager thinking that’s the problem!! The owners are the problem! I’m sure there is a fairly high turnover rate of people working in bars, I’m assuming that’s what the funding for this “ask Angela” project is FOR, to keep up the training of each new hire!!! When I got hired at the corporation I worked at, I had more than two days worth of basic training on a computer of a litany of things to know for working there!! It is not hard to make a video of that training and require a refresher every year or something!! The owners just have to not be stingy with their employees and let them take the time out to do the training and refresher training because, if it’s something you don’t regularly encounter, you can forget!!!! And it’s not like you need an entire days training for this, like I said a 20 minute video might be all you need!!!
Seriously??? This is ridiculous. What absolute silly nonsense. Can't people just stand up for themselves or seek help nowadays that they need some code word becaue their date isn't going well? You just say you're going to the toilet and then never come back. Or wait for them to go and then leave. It's not that hard.
Is it not easier to just say to bar staff that you feel unsafe/concerned about your safety and ask to be escorted to safe space instead of using code word?
The discussion and answer to your question is carefully gone through in the training... with many examples from real life of how things were delayed and embarrassing further questions of explanation were asked in semi-public by the barman
This is a great scheme . Is there a separate safeguarding protocol for victims of a spiking incident? Many staff appear to accept that someone who appears to be drunk,is drunk when in reality they have been drugged either by injection or a spiked drink
The idea of this is beyond stupid, worked in a bar for years, just have a quiet word with the staff. But code word nonsense is ridiculous. Why? What purpose at all does it serve?
If you just ask for help the bartender doesnt know if you want help picking a drink or want help finding the bathroom or want help with the pool table that isnt working , then you have to scream over the music and loud people and try to explain what is happening . It is far easier and quicker to say "Is Angela here "and have the trained staff member immediately take you somewhere safe like the kitchen/backroom where it is quieter and more private to ask if you want/need the police called or if your feeling dizzy and think your drink was tampered with and need an ambulance , or if a cab can be called and you can slip out the back kitchen door where the cab was told to be or if the bouncer can walk you to your car so you dont get followed etc then it is to say " I need help that guy over there with the green shirt on sitting by the pool table is making me feel uncomfortable and unsafe could you help me got out of hear safely without him following me ?"
“Regardless of gender” haha This is for women ONLY! A woman was physically assaulting a man in my local pub - spit, scratch, punch, kick and even try bottled him. Everybody including bar staff laugh. I call the police and tell what’s happening only for police woman on the phone to say “so? Why are you calling me for? We don’t have any police officer available”. The man went outside and the woman followed him to hit him some more but he wasn’t having it anymore and hit her back. Police got called and arrived in 5 minutes to arrest him.
What happened with going to the toilet, calling your mate and asking her to call you back in 5 mins, where you then answer at the table with the problematic date, saying "hello? Oh noooo....what? I'll be right there!" Make your apologies to the date, theres an emergency, you'll call them tomorrow, then leave. Simple
Someone tried that recently in Scarborough but the guy followed her into the toilets and assaulted her. Luckily he is in prison now but unfortunately the damage has already been done
@@user-dn3ut9tw2x I think you'll find all relationships, however brief, are scooped up in this initiative. Controlling behaviours and violence are statistically more dangerous than chance or brief encounters.
5:09 the problem is the daft happy go lucky tone of voice she's using.. body language goes a long way in communication 🤦♂️ I think the words I'm in danger, get me the fk out of here would probably have a better effect 😂
Secretly film the government showing zero care at all for the interests of public safety and the quality of life in the U.K. That would serve humanity far more than this piffle.
@hmq9052 no, what are you talking about? I was referring to the secret corruption that happens behind closed doors; film the apathy of elected officials. Do you want more avoidable deaths?
@hmq9052 no, what are you talking about? I was referring to the secret corruption that happens behind closed doors; film the apathy of elected officials. Do you want less solutions to the mounting problems we face?
Girl: "Hey uhmm, you sure you're 6 ft?" Guy: "Oh, yeah I kinda lied on my profile haha. Im actually 5'10 and a half" *Girl goes over to counter* Girl: "Is Angela working today"
What a ridiculous .. Suppose someone actually does the normal thing and, you know... asks for help?.. Does manager come out and goo hmm you didn't say the code word sorry.
Of course they are going to help them? This is for if you feel unable to ask for help? Ie. The person is right next to you at the bar or can hear what you’re saying. Or if you don’t want to cause the scene that asking for help might cause, as often that makes things worse
@@jdchsdjhjObvious troll is obvious :v go outside, visit your family. Have drinks with loved ones instead of leaving 60+ comments on a BBC UA-cam channel you sad creature 😂
NO , how dare you , can't you see all men are monsters , you will NOT use this code, you must not touch a woman's hand , if you are a man you can't feel threatened because you are the monster.
This scheme would by its very nature have a shelf-life. The more well-known it becomes, the less effective it is going to be and there will need to be another code. Also, I always thought the point of it was that it was said in earshot of the nasty guy. In all of these instances she is in a loud pub and moves away from him, at which point she could just flatly ask for help. I'm not excusing the poor training of the bar staff that failed the test, but I don't think the scheme can effectively exist for more than a year or two.
So men are supposed to deal with dangerous situations on their own, if it works for women then thats great that it gives women sense of safety when they are on a night out but its just another situations where men are just pushed to a side an basically told to man up an deal with it. I know someone who thinks that men can't experience domestic violence because most men are stronger then women, this person thinks that its only domestic violence if a man hits a woman an its ok for women to hit men because the man must of done something to deserve it. The way society has implemented a certain way of thinking is very wrong because most men have been brought up from a young age to never under any circumstances to hit women, so when men do experience domestic violence 90% of men will just sit there an take on the chin because they are afraid of what people will say an do if they fight back. If a man phones the police because his wife is attacking him then he will be the one who is arrested, its wrong but there's no going back on it now because it so engraved in people's minds.
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Have you not encountered a malicious female@keifer7813
What is the point of AfA if everybody knows about it ? Hardly a method of secretly telegraphing that you're in distress is it ? I've seen AfA signs in -male- toilets. Then, of course, what if your name really is Angela ? Do the Plod turn up and the customer says 'no, no. I was looking for my friend Angela Lansbury who works here'.
Adults are responsible for themselves. Bars are not a babysitting service for attention seekers. Bar staff don't get paid anywhere near enough to be dealing with this.
I understand your point, but I feel anywhere that serves the poison known as alcohol which drastically can change people’s mentality, they have a duty of care.
Ladies, we need to ask for Angela at every bar we go to. If they don't know what you're talking about, ask for the manager and tell them to google it & get a poster for the loo. We can really make a difference quickly, all over the country.
"I went on a date with a man , he showed me affection the monster , I was quick to ask for Angela , there will be no touching my hand" Just more nonsense creating divide , if the BBC are behind it then you know the real reason behind it ,,they make it more political than a woman feeling scared and asking for help. Surely a woman getting up and going to the bar on her round is the perfect opportunity to ask for help , do they think the woman is going to ask for Angela while standing with the guy ?? Do women's toilets have those annoying "attendants" wanting tips , she could ask one of those for help as she won't be with him , although the attendant will just hold out a paper towel and expect a pound , even though there are hand driers
It's because bar staff don't get training on this, speaking as someone who has worked on bars for over 10 years the pub owners just put up the posters.
If there was a real situation, they could actually ask for help by not using code words. Stop knocking hard working businesses, and wrongfully suggesting no help was available. The usual poor quality BBC report. How about you investigate the lack of help for victims of nounces from the BBC.
Are these comments stupid? The whole point of a code name/phrase is to not alert the creep that might be RIGHT NEXT TO THEM when they’re asking for help
Are we surprised! This country doesn’t enforce anything other than other than jail time for naughty tweets - cause that’s what we need to keep our country safe
You can’t go to the bar enthusiastically asking for ‘Angela’ you don’t appear to be in harm or distress. Staff are there to differentiate people who actually NEED help..
4:24 What? So a domestic unrelated to any of the examples given is the source? Honestly this is a joke, this has to have been okayed by literal children it’s so poorly thought out.
I might be wrong but my understanding is that the scheme is more to get the woman to safety, for example helping her to use the back exit, and or be able to call a cab home.
@@RA-wp6thapart from the bar manager in this very video who claimed he’d have the guy she was with removed. This is going to be abused by women because that’s what women do with my rule or law that gives them an advantage over men.
@@BanjoPixelSnack😂 apart from the evidence to the contrary in this very video. I really do despise relativistic little exhibitionist dweebs like you pretending you have moral fibre. Or character. How much extra medication are you on now Trump is President elect btw? 😂😂😂
Honestly, if someone asked me "is Angela working?" I'd probably get it wrong. Yet if someone said "hiya, i was told.to ask for Angela last time i was here" then I'd know instantly. I know it sounds daft but the whole thing is called "ask for Angela" and if you only here 1 of the words, it doesn't always click, especially as we get people coming into out place thinking they're at the place over the road. I need to make the connection without the whole phrase.
lol, most bars don’t even have enough staff to keep the tables clean. Angela is probably out back crying about working 48hrs a week and still having to steal chips of customers plates
I think asking for Angela only raises alert if you are actually next to the person you need to get away from and can’t blurt out ‘help’. It makes no sense when a woman is walking around alone or standing on her own at the bar 🤦♀️
The bill is important of course - - but absolutely nothing is anywhere nearly as important as helping someone feeling trapped unsafe and in danger of being followed if she leaves alone to walk home
Good question. I can see this easily being exploited to get out of paying, so I think the person asking for Angela should be required to at least pay half the bill before they leave
Such a stupid idea. Colour me shocked that asking for Angela in a conversational tone is treated in a conversational manner. The scheme offers naught but a nebulus sense of security, tell us there is something wrong don't play guessing games!
@@drcommonsense1 You think rapists don't read or watch videos online? lmao how do you spread awareness of this code without also informing the predators of the code? it's a farce lmao
Perhaps not, perhaps I also lack the kind of no nonsense common sense that you seem to admire. I do however have 30+ years experience working hospitality... so there is that :p
@SM-e9i you again lol... We already had a discussion yesterday and you ran away because you had no sensible or reasonable grounds for your argument. Do you really want to be humbled again?
Having worked in the Hospitality industry for 13 years running two bars two restaurants in the same venue, it is totally down to training and observation. I was bar manager, cellar manager and restaurant manager. Above me were the General Manager and the Assistant Manager. My GM knew my skills well and if I foresaw an incident arising I would make him aware and we would watch what was happening, ready to step in. I will never forget witnessing a man bullying his female companion and I could just tell she was about to cry. I recall calling the new assistant manager over and said to him that women over there is about to cry. He said what are you on about, then she started crying. I was spot on because I was aware of my surroundings. I went up to the lady with tissues in hand, politely said to the fella that it was time to go and then said to the lady please remain where you are and I will arrange for your travel home. As bar manager nobody asked for Angela in that 13 years, I knew what was going on in my bar.
In the 1990s I bartended in one of the largest clubs in Western Massachusetts. At the time there was a rash of assaults/rapes in our cities downtown nightclub area. the owner of our club Bob, came up with a plan sort of like "Angela" except it was "Can I talk to Bob". At both entrances and in the main lobby there were huge signs saying if anyone feels uncomfortable or fearful, or wants help getting home etc for them to come up to any club employee and say the phrase "Can I talk to Bob?" There weren't to many times I remember anyone having to use it, but I do remember at last call a drunk girl asked for Bob to me. A barmaid and I took her in the back behind the bar and she had come to the club with a guy from work but she said he was being overly aggressive and didn't trust him driving her home. She lived a couple streets away from one of our many bouncers, so he left early with her and brought her home safely. The strange thing is, the co-worker to my knowledge never asked anyone about her whereabouts and just left on his own. Kinda sus on that point.
Whats the point of a code phrase everyone knows about🤔 people could just ask for help. Then if people are ignorant of the scheme they will still know what they are supposed to do.
really to simplistic and not looking at what could happen if you said that. Just think a lone young female behind the bar as the staff member that is asked for help in such a way (ok there may be other staff members in the back out of sight) but when the aggresser gets voilent any staff out of sight may not realise unless they hear any shouts or screams etc; and by the time they actually get there to assist could prove to late. Saying such a thing puts both people at risk
Just a thought why not either fine venues that do not respond appropriatly that make make them up their game as it were. There could also be the posibilty in someone making a living by developing an app the someone who feels threatend could ask for help immediatly by a single press of a "button" eg; a pub could have a code flash up on a phone which you show to staff. This could be incorperated into the food ordering or drink ordering system. The person then could say they wanted to make a change to the order or whatever reason and approach a member of staff to make the "change" showing them a regognised emergery code number
So many people misunderstanding this. Anything that makes women safer is a yes from me. Think about different scenarios before immediately putting it down. Abuse against women has been going on for CENTURIES. we need to make changes to make things better. We can only do so much ourselves.
This Angela thing is a really good idea.... but... I don't think its such a great idea to tell girls they can't just say help... most people around will help you... most men will fist fight for you.... And what if 2 Angela's do work there?? I would suggest asking for Angela then if that doesn't register just ask for help.... go behind the without asking.... but also don't over react... girls always touch my hand and arm when I make them laugh... I don't go to the bar and randomly say " is Jonathan there " ? Be aware don't be scared of life... Us guys are scared to even make a move just incase Angela comes out.... I also fell sorry for any girl called Angela... she's not getting any action now... This is meant with love... Sarcasm is a heart breaker... ❤ This is just a media "wind up " at this point.... bbc pitching everyone against each other... race one week... religion next... It's kinda see through now bbc... I see you... 😊 ... your manipulative and " I'm not angry... I'm just disappointed. ..."😂 Bbc please stop with constant wind up.... its nasty... and you don't even do women justice by giving them really bad advice.... Girls if your in trouble ask for Angela if that doesn't work scream help.... failing that find the right wing looking football hooligan you can find and I guarantee they will kick off for no reason.... and save you and get you taxi home and brag to their mates what a hero they are.... ❤ just chill donny
How many people ask for Angela at the BBC as it covers up nonces .
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The hypocrisy is beyond satire at this point. Scrap the TV licence
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It must suck to be named Angela and work at a bar.
should have used a less common name in a bar, for instance muhammad
Karen and Angela are just walking red flags now lol.... 😂😂
So many desperate Angela's just begging for c0k soon... poor angela...
Most Mohammads are Muslims and most Muslims don't drink. Think they were pulling your chain mate @@juliusnovachrono4370
As someone in America, where the name Karen has an awful connotation now, there are worse uses for a name.
@@thewolfofswingthat2035 or Ayisha😂
Wouldn’t the BBC be better employed dealing with their own internal problems?
This scheme has great intentions, but it is very poorly conceived.
No it’s not the intentions are to push the woke feminist agenda otherwise it would be ask for help regardless of your gender
Yeah. There's no point in a "secret code" if everyone knows it. They should focus their efforts on practical ways to protect people. And a signal which can actually be communicated unnoticed.
It’s retarded
VERY
@@andybrice2711THANK YOU what I kept repeating throughout the video
If only the bbc had been pro active when their employees were bang at it.
Anything the government gets involved with and promotes, run a mile
So you think an idea to stop and prevent abuse is not a good idea?
@SM-e9i let's break it down...
1. This takes the person immediately away from danger.
2. It allows for those who can help the person to ring up authorities where the perpetrator could be arrested.
3. It creates an environment where people feel safer.
Do you have any issues with any of those points?
3.
@SM-e9i why did you avoid my question? Do you have a problem with any of the three points I raised?
@SM-e9iso your point is basically "if we start helping women in pubs then the abusers will just start going somewhere else, so there's no point in helping women anywhere"?
My aunt has always said what you said
Heard the code line "hi, i need help getting away from a guy im on a date with, can you please help?" Works 100% of the time
@@bendlor Sometimes the girl does not have the confidence to baldly say "I need help"... Isn't that the whole point!
@jdchsdjhj For the threatened girl, the "source of the problem" is the guy who is possibly sitting right next to her... Whether he happen to arrive in a car, or a bus or a boat is immaterial...
@@jdchsdjhj none of those woman dates with someone who arrives with the boat. Angela killed by who you racist, low key person
But if asking for Angela is synonymous with asking for help, then why not just ask for help...?@@SCK586
@@SCK586sorry but if you can’t tell anyone your uncomfortable without a secret code word no one’s ever heard of then you shouldn’t be going out to a bar with strangers. It’s your responsibility to keep yourself safe. Anyone in a bar is gonna help a girl out if she’s being harassed but it’s her responsibility to express that. Ridiculous example used as well… your not allowed to touch a girls hand your on a date with now? If you are anxious to the level where you literally cannot communicate that you are in danger then you should stay indoors.
Why the code word? And now everyone knows what " Angela " means. Saying " Can you help me please. " would do fine.
Literally that way it can be applied for both genders lol but there’s clearly an agenda at play here…..
then the obvious reply is "sure, how?" and then they need to give a long explanation. Assuming the staff know the code word then they know to bring them behind the bar
the bar staff get paid minimum wage to serve drinks not to be police officers..
You can ask anyone for aid. Depending on who they are they may or may not help you.
@@MikeMike-ms1ns Better to not go to bars on a date in the first place. Drunk (and high) people, noise and music that is not your own, all make it a mine field.
they will make a hitpiece on UK pubs but not a documentary revealing all their nonces
Honest question: Is “Angela” a word or name that the perpetrator is not capable of hearing or reading off the board? I’m struggling to understand how the staff are expected to know what the code means while the perpetrator, who might also have access to this public information, wouldn’t.
You'd think if a perp is activly stalking women, they have a keen interest in how to do it without getting caught...so yes....this is pointless.
It's a quick way of asking for help without having to explain in detail which can arouse suspicion.
It's society being braindead as usual
The bar staff are trained to understand what it means, whereas the average creep probably doesn't. It's also not about the creeps themselves, but about their victims being able to evacuate quickly, safely, and without embarrassment. If you can't understand why something like this is necessary, it's likely because women severely dislike you and you have no friends who are women.
@@jdchsdjhj mate you sound a bit sensitive its only a fart
This is what happens when people who live online think internet trends translate to the real world "safety scheme" no, .a twitter post seen by less than 2% of the population.
Were u not watching? This is something that's been implemented and like they said in the vid, they literally say most councils make it an expectation of a pub getting their licence, they used hundreds of thousands of public money, so taxes to train staff with official backing from the london mayor and the metropolitan police. So no This isn't just an Internet trend that less than 2% of the population saw. I'm now 21 and I knew about this from the age of 13
@SM-e9ido u not read signs put up in ur bar? Or perhaps ur management doesn't care about protecting its customers bc I knew about ask Angela when I was 13, I'm now 21
If you’re 21 you’re a baby. I’m 27 and had no idea. Marries up pretty well with what she said, it’s an internet phenomena.
What an idiotic scheme. If you can get up to the bar and ask for this silly catchphrase, surely you can just whisper that you need some help.
You have clearly never tried whispering to someone in the middle of a noisy bar.
Sometimes the person will insist on going to the bar with you, so you can't really say "hey, this guy is making me feel unsafe, could you please help me" when he's literally standing next to you... 🤦🏻♀️
@@Bea359 Right except he also knows this code phrase, so whats the difference? or are we making sure the predators never learn it? its so stupid its beyond. just ask for help. Also i think the guy might find it a bit strange when you are ushered out the fire exit.
@@ThatAtheistGuy20 I don't think you understand how scary it is to be in a situation like that where the man isn't respecting your "no" and makes it seem like unless you can disappear safely with someone's help he will end up following you home... When your body is in fight/flight it can be hard to think straight so it's helpful to have a codeword you can use, instead of figuring out how to phrase it best to help the bartender understand what is going on...
@@Bea359 I do understand. because as a man im more likely than a woman to experience random violence. Im saying I think the best thing you can do is just flat out ask for help. I think code words just serve to further confuse things. If you ask for help I guarantee every other male in that room will help you.
When I was security for 13 years I was aware of it and took immediate action when someone ask and there was another code out there. now days I take care of family. Safe guarding is not just for kids and vulnerable people it's for EVERYONE!!! KEEP SAFE PEEPS.
I bet you stoved some heads in when you did security
@heroicDale lol definitely not getting any Xmas cards from some so called idiots
@@heroicDaleAye some drunk teenager who could barely stand to begin with 😂
Major flaw in this scheme: what if someone who works at the bar IS called Angela?
What if the creep knows the code word?
@@temparalflux914 What if Angela is the creep?!
@@Xenc5killer twist 😅
What if the staff are human traffickers? 😲
What if the person at risk is called Angela?
I have worked in pubs, we probably just had a fleeting knowing of Angela but no training.
Sorry to say but do not straight away hate on bar staff, they may have not been trained.
But it mostly comes down to, working behind a busy bar is very exhausting. (Physically, emotionally and mentally)
Your mind is stretched all over the place, so many things you have to watch out for, also serving multiple people at the same time etc, in a loud environment.
It is not as all simple as you may think.
Please just simply ask for help. Or can we come up with a better system, rather than asking for someone's name. Even if you were trained not everyone can click on straight away, also due to the job and environment.
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by the incompetence. Modern culture is largely about signalling your concerns, not acting on them.
No, but Jimmy's here!
Indeed….. bet YOU’LL FIX IT!
Aye jimmy can fix anything 😂😂 Gowon jimmy lad 😂😂😂
The code word should be can I see uncle jimmy 😂😂😂
Even if Jimmy saville was Alive when you was a kid he would have told you to feck off 😂❤❤ your special needs are probably worse then the people he got close to.
All want to start remembering in Europe our empires don't exist in Europe anymore but the world outside of Europe exists because of it today. I don't think you want us Germans Brits and french and Russians Spanish and Portuguese living in the past today.
Simply saying you feel you need help seems far clearer/safer than using all these silly code words which anyone can know the meaning of anyway 🙄
It's a quick way of asking for help without having to explain in detail which can arouse suspicion.
'Venues that support ‘Ask for Angela’ have been given Welfare And Vulnerability Engagement (WAVE) training. ' Met
I agree regarding the code 'Angela' if someone is very stressed or tipsy/drunk, unlikely to remember code (unless they seek refuge in the toilets and focus on the poster, if there). But its good as an option as people clearly understand 'help" Scheme has other benefits, such as training.
@@jdchsdjhj Why would this stop anyone using a pub?
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I wonder, what is it about this system designed to help people get away from criminals that you find so distressing?
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Except for the ask for Angela signs plastered all over the bar. 🤣
Why don't you cover stories about the BBC scandals?
What if Angela is ACTUALLY working. Then what??
It doesn't matter in the slightest if there's a real Angela behind the bar - - Just so long as she and every other member of the bar Staff are fully trained and aware.. It simply makes no difference to us at all
9:12
Maybe you shouldn't meet people you don't know from the intetnet for a date, it's amazing how people think all their saftey should be taken care of by other people
Every new person you go out with on a date is a stranger, doesn't matter if you met them on the Internet, through a friend or in a line at the supermarket... 🤦🏻♀️ also "Angela" can be used when someone you don't know is bothering you at the pub and not taking "no" for an answer, so you're scared they'd follow you home if you simply decide to leave. It's not just for women who are on dates.
@SM-e9i so pretending that women getting harrased isn't actually happening and telling them to manage it on their own is now being called "respecting women's autonomy"? What if you fall over and break your arm or get hit by a car and ask a stranger stabding next to you to call an ambulance: would they be "respecting your autonomy" if they told you to do it yourself?
@SM-e9i what are you even talking about...? 🤦🏻♀️
@@Bea359 [Every new person you go out with on a date is a stranger]
That suggests that nobody who is already an acquaintance could possibly ask you out. I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant, but in your haste to generalize your mouth got ahead of your brain. I suppose you could try claiming that "new person" meant stranger, but that amounts to you saying "every stranger is a stranger"
BBC Verify. Theres a misnomer if ever there was.
What's the point of having a code word if it isn't kept secret like if everybody knows of the Ask Angela rule then the person thats harassing them will be aware of it
Having watched this I think the phrase should be "I need to speak to Angela". Asking if Angela is working might just throw the staff who may be busy and not click straight away. If they say there's noone called Angela who works here, repeat "No, I need to speak to Angela". Just an idea but probably staff need more training.
Sounds like you think that bartenders are idiots who are incapable of learning one code word...
@Bea359 That's what the video is implying
@SM-e9i maybe YOU'RE too stupid to get it, but that doesn't mean that ALL bartenders are: you down speak for everyone ;)
@@lynnanderson1923 the poster doesn't say how to ask, it just says "ask for Angela", so you can ask if Angela is working tonight or if you could speak to Angela or if someone could call Angela over x
@@Bea359 I know that. It's the bar staff and manager in the video who don't so something isn't working x
Why don't they say I'm asking for Angela instead of Is Angela working tonight,it might register better with the bar staff.
How ridiculous someone decided the code should be the name of a person. I blame Sadick Khan.
Maaaate 😂
It is as ridiculous as a secret code as Inspector Sands.
The code is a name of a person because it allows women to pretend that their friend Angela works there sometimes and they want to find out if she's there that night... Not sure what's ridiculous about that 🤔
@@Bea359 All she has to do is tell the guy to leave her alone or she will call the police or say to the bar staff or the doorman or any of the other people drinking in there that she is being harassed instead of playing silly childish guessing games.
@@Bea359 what should men do if they are being harassed? Should they ask for Angela as well or should they ask for Alfie?
This scheme is a great idea. I am sure that a number of staff around UK have been trained in accordance. However, work in hospitality is usually a short term affair with huge staff turnovers. Its very likely that a number of staff are new and have simply not been trained in accordance. Male staff in particular because posters like these are usually only in women's bathrooms hence they will not have the same level of passive exposure and awareness. However, I am sure all male staff are aware of the various erectile disfunction supplements and suicide helplines. It should be a policy that the funding this scheme received remains in perpetual and reinforced by the said pubs.
It is the worst idea! You are never to disclose the status of your staff." Oh, so Angela 's not in tonight?"
Angela was found in the Thames. I thought Brits were smart, this is law in the west. Ask for help to avoid assault, drop a drink, do something else. "Is the manager in?"
By god, there is no hope for Britain, is there? Fire the woke Karen who failed so spectacularly.
If it's a real and serious situation, why wouldn't the woman just say "help me!"?
If it's supposed to be a well known code, then it's not a secret code, then why make it complicated?
its supposed to be like a 'no-questions-asked' situation, you ask for angela and its supposed to mean "i need help getting out asap". you stand there explaining away about your situation and that'll give whoever the person is with enough time to twig that they might be getting reported, or for them to make moves (waiting for their target outside etc). a lot of men will act worse and probably become increasingly violent if they get called out for being creepy, best that getting out of a potentially dangerous situation is done with discretion
@@charlie891
Even though in their own example the first thing they did was ask if everything was okay... This is just a waste of time.
They would. It's a load of nonsense
@@charlie891 It's stupid! Angela is a common name. What if you're looking for Angela? Whoever comes up with this stuff act's smart but is actually an idiot. The code name should be a name that sounds real that no one would have, like Gaffendi or some crap lol
I don't understand the reason for the codeword. Why not ask for help?
Micheal you can’t seriously be asking that? Surely..
Because it's kinda tricky to pretend you're just grabbing a drink when the abuser can hear you screaming over the bar "This man is making me feel unsafe and I need your help"...?
@Bea359 isn't it also tricky to scream over the bar "have you seen Angela".
@Lee-ke9mx No, it's a serious question. I completely see the need for training on how to deal with this type of situation.
However, If both the perpetrator and the victim both know a code word. I see no difference in saying, "I need help," and "Have you seen Angela.
I just think it's an unnecessary potential point of failure or am I missing something?
@@michaelgriffiths5723 not really, no. It's definitely more tricky to scream "I need help" and have the staff figure out that what you mean by that is that you're in physical danger and not something like "I need help because I lost my phone and I can't call a taxi" or "I need help because I dropped my drink and there's glass everywhere". The codeword means that with that one word people know straight away what the situation is and what they have to do to keep this person safe.
Call me old fashioned but wouldn’t it just be easier for those that might need help just to ask for help.
In what way? How would they phrase it?
@ please get me some help. I’m in trouble. Can you help me. If the person they are asking has literally just started that day and doesn’t know about the code name then it will be useless.
Just seems to be a convoluted process. Which is typical for the UK.
@@defectiveresistor At which point, the bartender goes "What's the problem?". Then you'd have to further explain.
Or you can just say an already designated codeword to shorten all of that
Asking for Angela means that you're taken to a more quiet place where you can explain what's going on. Isn't that easier than screaming over the bar that you're feeling unsafe and having to explain why, possibly having the other person overhear you saying it and making it harder for you to get away safely?
Zoomers can't even pick up the phone when it's ringing so it doesn't surprise me.
Just say "Help me please" if they don't understand. Stay safe.
Just ask for help to begin with. None of the examples had the uncomfortable date within earshot, and if they had been they might well know what "asking for Angela" means in any case. Absolutely NOTHING is gained by using such a code word in lieu of plain language.
It's never that easy
@@beverlyjames07 if you don't ask for help don't be surprised if you don't get any.
People are less likely to do this, we don’t want to have to explain to someone who may still not get it or be helpful enough. I feel women are more likely to get themselves to safety if this simple code can be given and people are trained to do the right thing.
@@DungeonKeeperLondonDungeonHireSituations can be complicated. Right now I'm high-tech gang stalked by my ex and his family. I have contacted authorities and they stated it's beyond them. People explain all they want but there isn't a guarantee of help. This "Ask Angela" method is a direct and secret way to say I need help now and get an immediate response.
Why use a code phrase instead of speaking English? I mean, it's not like people around won't know what it means for her to ask for Angela.
It’s because it is QUICK! The woman might only have a second or two where she can escape and if she has to explain everything that will obviously take a heck of a lot longer and by then the person they are scared of might twig that she is trying to escape.
@@jujutrini8412 What? if you can say "Hi is Angela here" or "Can I speak to Angela" you can surely say "Help that guy is a creep and I'm scared" and that way you don't waste time with the bar staff trying to figure out what you mean.
@@jujutrini8412a second or two? In a busy bar. Nonsense. It's the dumbest idea ever.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwCalling for Angela is specific. It directly refers to wanting to walk away from an uncomfortable situation in the bar. If you just say "I need help!", the first thing they'd do is ask what they could help you with, and then you'd have a whole ass conversation. Elaborating or adding lines to "I need help!" just further proves that having a single code word should be plentiful to get yourself out of an icky situation.
@@aistevilkaite5077 or the girl can just tell the dude to cluck off. Not like he's going to attack her in a busy bar
I don't understand how some people get enjoyment from this. Personally I find happiness seeing the woman I love enjoying the moment.
Haha what?
5:30 "that bar man has just failed to help out someone in distress" No he didn't! If you need help, just ask for help. It's really that simple. Why do humans constantly try and over complicate things?!
Because sometimes the abuser might be listening, so you can't "just ask for help"...?
@ the intention of the program is great, but it needs work. In this case the program failed, not the employee (imo).
The scheme is a silly waste of time. Moving money from pocket to pocket, that's all it is. Also, hardly discreet is it? People need to give their heads a wobble for gods sake.
They need to emphasise that "Ask for Angela" isn't limited to women. I met a woman off a dating app, we went for a drink and things were okay then she started acting really off; slightly aggressive, pushing me to do a line with her and kept saying she'd "bang me out" the final straw was when she told me she usually carries a nail gun around with her. I went to the bar for a drink, I said it to them - I think they saw the panic in my eyes and I was shown through the back area and as soon as my uber arrived I was gone.
They need to drop this whole stupid "Angela" thing. It's security theatre. Focus on teaching bar staff how to recognise and protect people who are under duress.
She sounds pretty cool apart from the nail gun
Tinder is where these psychos are at…
You sound like a 🐱
@@Withnail1969shes sounds like a degenerate.
Idiotic considering they've put the codeword up on posters so everyone knows... If they can get to a member of staff it should be their duty to get them to a safe area away from harm until they can be picked up and taken home.
"Not in the last four years that I have worked here." 😂😂😂
That is a very sad, response not at all funny. That response could have had horrific consequences. Would you have found it funny if it had been youself or someone close to you needing help straight away?
Launched in '21, in height of Pandemic Cognitive overload🙄 4:00 - BBC just ruined an epic safety protocol for this pub by publicising the name of *safe second pub* to all would-be creepy dates. BBC would be fired on 1st day working in IRA or GRU🤷♀️
In all fairness, ppl are only human ffs. Asking for a very bland & generic person's name isn't going to come across to a busy barworker as "alarmist". Especially when presented *without* apt Body Language, Facial Expression, & implicit biological fear response indicators (like neck tension, flared pupils, tightened throat, shallow breathing). If your reporter can't act or manifest bio' fear responses, then your reporter only comes across as "yet another bewildered drinker asking random insensible questions...in a busy bar". Guaranteed, most of those bar workers would respond appropriately to a woman who didn't know or had forgotten this generic name, but who had all the Body Language indicators *and* simply whispered "can you get me out of here?" or "I need to get away from my date".
Infact, if someone was proper creeped out in a bar where you sit at tables/booths, rather than stand & dance, they likely wouldn't have been given the opportunity to even approach the bar in the first place, by the controlling creeper they were with. *He* would be the one going to the bar for the drinks and watching her like a hawk to ensure she didn't speak to any staff.
You have more chance of approaching the bar in a nightclub.
But you also have far more chance of him getting you "lost" into the crowd away from staff, and friends.
This system is an incredibly foolish & silly system to be fair.
Very naive.
And frankly far too dumb to work, even for thick people - be they the clientele or bar staff (at any given moment).
It would be far more effective if bars created their own cheap trinket, colour coded, medallions of some sort and handed them out to women-only as they enter the premises by streaming the women away from the men for a brief moment.
Something they can tuck away in their handbag *AND* hook on to their handbag (or necklace/bracelet) later or at any time they become uncomfortable throughout the night.
Or a cheap neon-paint dipped hair grip (sterilised every night in a UV-C box).
Or a big piece of thick ribbon, that can work as a neck scarf, hair tie, tie-to-handbag handles etc.
It would be only fair to fund it through a Vintners Association and/or collaboration with Public Safety Orgs & Funds. Pubs could also swop their batches of medallions with each other to change it up *and* return any stray medallions that don't belong to them to the nearby pubs they *know* carry that particular medallion on that particular week.
The bar can hang multiples of the exact same trinket medallion at various places behind the bar & in staff back rooms, each night, so that staff can clearly see & note & be frequently reminded of the colour code and trinket type for that particular night/weekend/week (depending on their footfall/turnover volume).
A bar-issued trinket or medallion would likely go unnoticed by random date and/or would be easy enough to explain away as "oh, it's just some merch' they gave us on way in. A keyring or something.....look, we also got a free promotional lip gloss/re-usable biodegradable bar mat-coaster thing/tube of glitter/neon glow stick/super cheap edible Pixie Sticks, cheaply neon-paint dipped hairgrips..,.."
Excellent investigation. How hard is it do this kind of training? Couldn't take more than 20 minutes. Ridiculous.
How much training does it need to just leave..Or indeed just tell any member of staff rather than Angela. Or tell the guy your dating .. Strong independant woman. Weak lonely feminists more like.
How dare that pub owner fire that manager thinking that’s the problem!! The owners are the problem! I’m sure there is a fairly high turnover rate of people working in bars, I’m assuming that’s what the funding for this “ask Angela” project is FOR, to keep up the training of each new hire!!! When I got hired at the corporation I worked at, I had more than two days worth of basic training on a computer of a litany of things to know for working there!! It is not hard to make a video of that training and require a refresher every year or something!! The owners just have to not be stingy with their employees and let them take the time out to do the training and refresher training because, if it’s something you don’t regularly encounter, you can forget!!!! And it’s not like you need an entire days training for this, like I said a 20 minute video might be all you need!!!
This is so wonderfully unnecessarily overly complicated! The committee that thought this up must have just watched a James Bond movie marathon.
Seriously??? This is ridiculous. What absolute silly nonsense. Can't people just stand up for themselves or seek help nowadays that they need some code word becaue their date isn't going well? You just say you're going to the toilet and then never come back. Or wait for them to go and then leave. It's not that hard.
Is it not easier to just say to bar staff that you feel unsafe/concerned about your safety and ask to be escorted to safe space instead of using code word?
The discussion and answer to your question is carefully gone through in the training... with many examples from real life of how things were delayed and embarrassing further questions of explanation were asked in semi-public by the barman
You think it's easier saying all that in the moment than just...a codeword? Lol
Safe space lol
This is a great scheme . Is there a separate safeguarding protocol for victims of a spiking incident? Many staff appear to accept that someone who appears to be drunk,is drunk when in reality they have been drugged either by injection or a spiked drink
The idea of this is beyond stupid, worked in a bar for years, just have a quiet word with the staff. But code word nonsense is ridiculous. Why? What purpose at all does it serve?
This is the dumbest thing ever.. why not just ask for help?
If you just ask for help the bartender doesnt know if you want help picking a drink or want help finding the bathroom or want help with the pool table that isnt working , then you have to scream over the music and loud people and try to explain what is happening . It is far easier and quicker to say "Is Angela here "and have the trained staff member immediately take you somewhere safe like the kitchen/backroom where it is quieter and more private to ask if you want/need the police called or if your feeling dizzy and think your drink was tampered with and need an ambulance , or if a cab can be called and you can slip out the back kitchen door where the cab was told to be or if the bouncer can walk you to your car so you dont get followed etc then it is to say " I need help that guy over there with the green shirt on sitting by the pool table is making me feel uncomfortable and unsafe could you help me got out of hear safely without him following me ?"
“Regardless of gender” haha This is for women ONLY! A woman was physically assaulting a man in my local pub - spit, scratch, punch, kick and even try bottled him. Everybody including bar staff laugh. I call the police and tell what’s happening only for police woman on the phone to say “so? Why are you calling me for? We don’t have any police officer available”.
The man went outside and the woman followed him to hit him some more but he wasn’t having it anymore and hit her back. Police got called and arrived in 5 minutes to arrest him.
What happened with going to the toilet, calling your mate and asking her to call you back in 5 mins, where you then answer at the table with the problematic date, saying "hello? Oh noooo....what? I'll be right there!" Make your apologies to the date, theres an emergency, you'll call them tomorrow, then leave. Simple
He's taken your phone. Is accusing you unfairly of cheating. And has said if you tell anyone he will kill you. Now what?
Someone tried that recently in Scarborough but the guy followed her into the toilets and assaulted her. Luckily he is in prison now but unfortunately the damage has already been done
@@hmq9052 this isnt that situation! We're not talking about people in relationships with dv going on
@@killagamez4619 or maybe not hooking up with complete strangers off the internet...hmmm just a thought
@@user-dn3ut9tw2x I think you'll find all relationships, however brief, are scooped up in this initiative. Controlling behaviours and violence are statistically more dangerous than chance or brief encounters.
5:09 the problem is the daft happy go lucky tone of voice she's using.. body language goes a long way in communication 🤦♂️
I think the words I'm in danger, get me the fk out of here would probably have a better effect 😂
Secretly film the government showing zero care at all for the interests of public safety and the quality of life in the U.K.
That would serve humanity far more than this piffle.
Awww. Do you want more health and safety rules?
@hmq9052 no, what are you talking about? I was referring to the secret corruption that happens behind closed doors; film the apathy of elected officials.
Do you want more avoidable deaths?
@hmq9052 no, what are you talking about? I was referring to the secret corruption that happens behind closed doors; film the apathy of elected officials.
Do you want less solutions to the mounting problems we face?
What about men's safety from wimen nutters
Girl: "Hey uhmm, you sure you're 6 ft?"
Guy: "Oh, yeah I kinda lied on my profile haha. Im actually 5'10 and a half"
*Girl goes over to counter*
Girl: "Is Angela working today"
😂
Stones and glass houses...
What a ridiculous .. Suppose someone actually does the normal thing and, you know... asks for help?.. Does manager come out and goo hmm you didn't say the code word sorry.
Of course they are going to help them? This is for if you feel unable to ask for help? Ie. The person is right next to you at the bar or can hear what you’re saying. Or if you don’t want to cause the scene that asking for help might cause, as often that makes things worse
The bar manager, who ask the woman to go to a safe place, he is such a good, helpful and responsible person. 👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What a goofy attempt at social engineering.
The problem is that Angela is a reasonable common name, and the "journalist" asking for Angela was asking in too many different ways.
Can men use Angela too?
As the video says, yes anyone of any gender can use it if you've been grabbed inappropriately at a pub/club or harassed
@@jdchsdjhjObvious troll is obvious :v go outside, visit your family. Have drinks with loved ones instead of leaving 60+ comments on a BBC UA-cam channel you sad creature 😂
Yes, men CAN use the safety do too - - and not just in gay bars, but anywhere
NO , how dare you , can't you see all men are monsters , you will NOT use this code, you must not touch a woman's hand , if you are a man you can't feel threatened because you are the monster.
I think men use Dave
This scheme would by its very nature have a shelf-life. The more well-known it becomes, the less effective it is going to be and there will need to be another code. Also, I always thought the point of it was that it was said in earshot of the nasty guy. In all of these instances she is in a loud pub and moves away from him, at which point she could just flatly ask for help. I'm not excusing the poor training of the bar staff that failed the test, but I don't think the scheme can effectively exist for more than a year or two.
Does it work for men or do men not suffer domestic violence or feeling uncomfortable on dates ?
Nowhere near the same level of danger, mate. We both know that lol
@@keifer7813he's right..... men are in far more danger being out and about at night than women
K sexist @@keifer7813
So men are supposed to deal with dangerous situations on their own, if it works for women then thats great that it gives women sense of safety when they are on a night out but its just another situations where men are just pushed to a side an basically told to man up an deal with it.
I know someone who thinks that men can't experience domestic violence because most men are stronger then women, this person thinks that its only domestic violence if a man hits a woman an its ok for women to hit men because the man must of done something to deserve it.
The way society has implemented a certain way of thinking is very wrong because most men have been brought up from a young age to never under any circumstances to hit women, so when men do experience domestic violence 90% of men will just sit there an take on the chin because they are afraid of what people will say an do if they fight back. If a man phones the police because his wife is attacking him then he will be the one who is arrested, its wrong but there's no going back on it now because it so engraved in people's minds.
Have you not encountered a malicious female@keifer7813
What is the point of AfA if everybody knows about it ? Hardly a method of secretly telegraphing that you're in distress is it ?
I've seen AfA signs in -male- toilets.
Then, of course, what if your name really is Angela ? Do the Plod turn up and the customer says 'no, no. I was looking for my friend Angela Lansbury who works here'.
Adults are responsible for themselves. Bars are not a babysitting service for attention seekers. Bar staff don't get paid anywhere near enough to be dealing with this.
I understand your point, but I feel anywhere that serves the poison known as alcohol which drastically can change people’s mentality, they have a duty of care.
@@kevfit4333 💯💯💯
What a selfish tw t
So let people get spiked or abuse?
@@jessH090 The duty of care is to call the police when someone is screaming rape, no, no, no!!!
Ladies, we need to ask for Angela at every bar we go to. If they don't know what you're talking about, ask for the manager and tell them to google it & get a poster for the loo. We can really make a difference quickly, all over the country.
It appears touching a date's hand is now equated with marital murder. Can't see this scheme getting abused, can you?
A man looked in my general direction for 0.34 seconds... ANGELAAAAAA!!!!
Are you aware of how many women are murdered a week?
@@jdchsdjhj at least stalkers and harassers are funny!
i think they were going for grabbing at it after it getting pulled away, just not done very well
"I went on a date with a man , he showed me affection the monster , I was quick to ask for Angela , there will be no touching my hand"
Just more nonsense creating divide , if the BBC are behind it then you know the real reason behind it ,,they make it more political than a woman feeling scared and asking for help.
Surely a woman getting up and going to the bar on her round is the perfect opportunity to ask for help , do they think the woman is going to ask for Angela while standing with the guy ??
Do women's toilets have those annoying "attendants" wanting tips , she could ask one of those for help as she won't be with him , although the attendant will just hold out a paper towel and expect a pound , even though there are hand driers
When I worked in a bar years ago, Angela was my boss. Good idea, yet as many say below the perpetrators must know of 'Angela' by now.
It's because bar staff don't get training on this, speaking as someone who has worked on bars for over 10 years the pub owners just put up the posters.
Why should they women need to grow up
Wow!!! Ppl r actually being paid 2 do this shii!??? 🤦♀️
My advice is if your name is Angela don't apply for a job working in a bar.
If there was a real situation, they could actually ask for help by not using code words. Stop knocking hard working businesses, and wrongfully suggesting no help was available. The usual poor quality BBC report. How about you investigate the lack of help for victims of nounces from the BBC.
But what if you are out with Angela?
What a stupid scheme
Agreed. Utterly goofy attempt at social engineering.
12 years in the UK and I never saw one single poster about this, specially in men's toilets.
I guess men never need help.
Are these comments stupid? The whole point of a code name/phrase is to not alert the creep that might be RIGHT NEXT TO THEM when they’re asking for help
You don't understand. Women are always in the wrong and men are perfect gentlemen.
Creep that “might” be next to them. You sound like a professional victim.
@fazertace6837 you sound like a rapist.
What makes you think the creep won’t be alerted by the "code" if everyone has to know the bloody code?
Let's hope none of them have seen this video 😂
Are we surprised! This country doesn’t enforce anything other than other than jail time for naughty tweets - cause that’s what we need to keep our country safe
You can’t go to the bar enthusiastically asking for ‘Angela’ you don’t appear to be in harm or distress. Staff are there to differentiate people who actually NEED help..
4:24 What? So a domestic unrelated to any of the examples given is the source?
Honestly this is a joke, this has to have been okayed by literal children it’s so poorly thought out.
How many women will use this in the hope of getting someone booted out of the bar or assaulted by a door man!
I might be wrong but my understanding is that the scheme is more to get the woman to safety, for example helping her to use the back exit, and or be able to call a cab home.
Not many.
@@RA-wp6thHe knows that, he just wants to make this about men being victims.
@@RA-wp6thapart from the bar manager in this very video who claimed he’d have the guy she was with removed. This is going to be abused by women because that’s what women do with my rule or law that gives them an advantage over men.
@@BanjoPixelSnack😂 apart from the evidence to the contrary in this very video.
I really do despise relativistic little exhibitionist dweebs like you pretending you have moral fibre. Or character.
How much extra medication are you on now Trump is President elect btw? 😂😂😂
Honestly, if someone asked me "is Angela working?" I'd probably get it wrong. Yet if someone said "hiya, i was told.to ask for Angela last time i was here" then I'd know instantly. I know it sounds daft but the whole thing is called "ask for Angela" and if you only here 1 of the words, it doesn't always click, especially as we get people coming into out place thinking they're at the place over the road.
I need to make the connection without the whole phrase.
Thanks BBC for letting the cat out the bag 🙄
I agree and probably doing it on purpose.
Stay Safe with yourself.
Take care.
lol, most bars don’t even have enough staff to keep the tables clean.
Angela is probably out back crying about working 48hrs a week and still having to steal chips of customers plates
I think asking for Angela only raises alert if you are actually next to the person you need to get away from and can’t blurt out ‘help’. It makes no sense when a woman is walking around alone or standing on her own at the bar 🤦♀️
not trying to be funny, but what about the bill?
The bill is important of course - - but absolutely nothing is anywhere nearly as important as helping someone feeling trapped unsafe and in danger of being followed if she leaves alone to walk home
@@jdchsdjhj Sorry--he might have meant what you said,,,,,
Good question. I can see this easily being exploited to get out of paying, so I think the person asking for Angela should be required to at least pay half the bill before they leave
The Bill ended years ago, it was an alright tv show but it wasn't the best, the story lines where abit shit but it was ok to just past the time
@SM-e9i Yup... and then your doorbell will ring...
Or just say i have to use the washroom be back in a few mins .wasn't that the old way of doing it ?
Such a stupid idea.
Colour me shocked that asking for Angela in a conversational tone is treated in a conversational manner.
The scheme offers naught but a nebulus sense of security, tell us there is something wrong don't play guessing games!
You obviously don't understand the simplr idea of using code words to prevent looking suspicious.
@@drcommonsense1 You think rapists don't read or watch videos online? lmao how do you spread awareness of this code without also informing the predators of the code? it's a farce lmao
Perhaps not, perhaps I also lack the kind of no nonsense common sense that you seem to admire.
I do however have 30+ years experience working hospitality... so there is that :p
@ricardobimblesticks1489 typical of boomers and gen X to be cynical. It explains a lot 👍
You lot just love to complain lol
@SM-e9i you again lol...
We already had a discussion yesterday and you ran away because you had no sensible or reasonable grounds for your argument.
Do you really want to be humbled again?
Having worked in the Hospitality industry for 13 years running two bars two restaurants in the same venue, it is totally down to training and observation. I was bar manager, cellar manager and restaurant manager. Above me were the General Manager and the Assistant Manager. My GM knew my skills well and if I foresaw an incident arising I would make him aware and we would watch what was happening, ready to step in. I will never forget witnessing a man bullying his female companion and I could just tell she was about to cry. I recall calling the new assistant manager over and said to him that women over there is about to cry. He said what are you on about, then she started crying. I was spot on because I was aware of my surroundings. I went up to the lady with tissues in hand, politely said to the fella that it was time to go and then said to the lady please remain where you are and I will arrange for your travel home. As bar manager nobody asked for Angela in that 13 years, I knew what was going on in my bar.
What? You’re telling me people are out there partying and not following the rule book on how they should have fun?
In the 1990s I bartended in one of the largest clubs in Western Massachusetts. At the time there was a rash of assaults/rapes in our cities downtown nightclub area. the owner of our club Bob, came up with a plan sort of like "Angela" except it was "Can I talk to Bob". At both entrances and in the main lobby there were huge signs saying if anyone feels uncomfortable or fearful, or wants help getting home etc for them to come up to any club employee and say the phrase "Can I talk to Bob?"
There weren't to many times I remember anyone having to use it, but I do remember at last call a drunk girl asked for Bob to me. A barmaid and I took her in the back behind the bar and she had come to the club with a guy from work but she said he was being overly aggressive and didn't trust him driving her home. She lived a couple streets away from one of our many bouncers, so he left early with her and brought her home safely. The strange thing is, the co-worker to my knowledge never asked anyone about her whereabouts and just left on his own. Kinda sus on that point.
Silly question: instead of asking Angela, why not directly asking: 'Hi, I need help. I am in danger'. Is that much more simple?
Hello I'm Angela
@@jdchsdjhj £21.60 Thank You
Whats the point of a code phrase everyone knows about🤔 people could just ask for help. Then if people are ignorant of the scheme they will still know what they are supposed to do.
Who come up with this stupid crap?.
Leftist cowards and government shills
a women
Do you ever have women mysteriously leave you in bars?
@@hmq9052do you ever take responsibility for yourself and not offload your personal safety on to others?
@@hmq9052 nope, how hard is it to say i need help im not comfortable around x,y, z what is in place for blokes?
Speak in plain English please. Who needs a code word?
"Hi, I need help please". You don't need silly code words, just ask someone for help!
really to simplistic and not looking at what could happen if you said that. Just think a lone young female behind the bar as the staff member that is asked for help in such a way (ok there may be other staff members in the back out of sight) but when the aggresser gets voilent any staff out of sight may not realise unless they hear any shouts or screams etc; and by the time they actually get there to assist could prove to late. Saying such a thing puts both people at risk
@@mysteryman5826 you have a fearful irrational view on venues..... road house isn't real life
Just a thought why not either fine venues that do not respond appropriatly that make make them up their game as it were. There could also be the posibilty in someone making a living by developing an app the someone who feels threatend could ask for help immediatly by a single press of a "button" eg; a pub could have a code flash up on a phone which you show to staff. This could be incorperated into the food ordering or drink ordering system. The person then could say they wanted to make a change to the order or whatever reason and approach a member of staff to make the "change" showing them a regognised emergery code number
Trying to get a women nowadays feels like a headache.
Interesting position, sounds like you are going to get a pair of socks
It's really not if your normal.
If the women you're trying to get feel unsafe enough that they're calling for help I have to question your technique
@ putting your hand on a girls hand and she goes and asks for Angela. Give me a break
Found the old single man
Ask for help not Angela is it that hard
what has to do pub safety, with a lady named angela killed by her husband, that was a case of domestic violence.
So many people misunderstanding this. Anything that makes women safer is a yes from me. Think about different scenarios before immediately putting it down. Abuse against women has been going on for CENTURIES. we need to make changes to make things better. We can only do so much ourselves.
Feminists are us
Yes and sick of people asking “what is a woman” when they should ask “is the woman safe”
@@DeneMonkey adults are responsible for themselves. Not pubs. If they dont want to chat to "creeps" stay home
This Angela thing is a really good idea.... but... I don't think its such a great idea to tell girls they can't just say help... most people around will help you... most men will fist fight for you....
And what if 2 Angela's do work there?? I would suggest asking for Angela then if that doesn't register just ask for help.... go behind the without asking.... but also don't over react... girls always touch my hand and arm when I make them laugh... I don't go to the bar and randomly say " is Jonathan there "
? Be aware don't be scared of life...
Us guys are scared to even make a move just incase Angela comes out.... I also fell sorry for any girl called Angela... she's not getting any action now...
This is meant with love...
Sarcasm is a heart breaker... ❤
This is just a media "wind up " at this point.... bbc pitching everyone against each other... race one week... religion next...
It's kinda see through now bbc...
I see you... 😊 ... your manipulative and " I'm not angry... I'm just disappointed. ..."😂
Bbc please stop with constant wind up.... its nasty... and you don't even do women justice by giving them really bad advice....
Girls if your in trouble ask for Angela if that doesn't work scream help.... failing that find the right wing looking football hooligan you can find and I guarantee they will kick off for no reason.... and save you and get you taxi home and brag to their mates what a hero they are.... ❤ just chill donny
@@simonsaysitsok you sound like a creep
Why don't the undercover folk inform the bar staff when they fail with this Angela scheme?