Found your channel not long ago and you summed up my thoughts on this show perfectly. I was happy to get Moon Knight on TV but damn was I disappointed at what they changed. Especially the personalities.
Isn't that already a thing? Like Tony's alcoholism was mostly ignored and Wanda's delusions are also heavily toned down to not make her too unsympathetic.
@@shinyagumon7015 to be fair to the alcoholism that story was a single issue in a much bigger story going on regarding a bunch of other things Tony was dealing with at the time.
@@shinyagumon7015 The alcoholism is because RDJ was a former addict who was scared he’d regress to that mindset if he portrayed it in the movie. In that case I totally understand why he wouldn’t want to do that.
@@porassrivastava8242 demon in a bottle is a single issue collected in a larger story book that ends sorta abruptly. The alcoholism was defiantly something people said was a problem in some issues but the overall conflicted of the collected stories was more to do with other factors that maybe his alcoholism were effecting. Jarvis did leave at the end though
The “Are you an Egyptian superhero?” scene would probably be more heartwarming if it didn’t feel like Disney giving themselves a massive pat on the back
@@fuzzynuttz5092 lmao, can't wait for them to open up an LGBTQ themed Taco stand in Disneyland lol, have you watched season 3? F*cking hilarious how they made fun of woke culture
Literally just have a scene of the little girls mom about to be shot, and the little girl is too scared to do anything when boom layla saves them, the little girl says can I be like you. And layla says of course. This is all said in Egyptian of course to be subtle.
Yeah. I mean, imagine you are a little kid who lives in a world were not only do super heroes exist, but 90% of them operate in the States, and suddenly a local super hero themed around your country saved you, you would be hyped as fuck. The scene is fine, but because it's Disney it really feels like they are giving themselves a medal and ruins it
I think one of the things that frustrate me recently with the MCU is how inconsistent it is with its "age-check". Moon Knight's afraid of getting too violent, but Doctor Strange MoM gets to have bisection, heads blown up, body horror contortions and disturbing imagery just fine in a PG-13 setting. Meanwhile, Deadpool 3 is confirmed to keep the R-rating, mostly because Ryan Reynolds and his team fought so hard for it, so there's literally no reason for Moon Knight to tiptoe so much on the violence department.
MoM is actually kind of why I see why Disney is so cautious because like I really liked it but they actually got a lot of flack for how violent it was and the film has some of the most comic book moments we've seen in the MCU so far and yet it's probably one of the most divisive.
@@mikemorro140 bruh it was not that violent. There’s wasn’t even blood. In fucking black Panther a lady literally gets her throat slit and there’s no fucking blood. Those types of people would kill themselves if they saw something like marvel zombies, Arkham Asylum(comic), or Berserk
@@trashboat5388 Saying there's no blood is straight up untrue like Wanda was covered in it at a certain point but either way one of the series you named was Berserk which meant for adults
@@mikemorro140 It's divisive because the movie is awful. I liked the more comic book-y stuff that it tried, but the movie was so poorly written I couldn't enjoy any of it.
Your criticism of superheroes becoming the "bumbling funny man" is spot on. Too many superheroes feel like they are just the same guy just with different quirks attached. Spider-Man is bumbling funny man, but street level. Star-Lord is bumbling funny man, but space. Now Moon Knight is also bumbling funny man, but with DID. In the comics, it actually feels like these guys are radically different people, which makes it all the more fun when they clash or team-up. In comparison, the MCU versions of these characters might as well be brothers.
I mean, Spider-Man is funny. That’s a part of his character, and how the fuck can you criticize MCU Star-Lord? I think the GOTG movies have the best comedy in the MCU
Having gone back and read some of the old first-appearance stuff for Star-Lord lately? God, it genuinely hurts to see how they turned a genuinely kick ass space-adventurer into a man child with an 80s obsession. Plus, no Element Gun. Utterly unforgivable.
@@TheJakson212oh wow, they took a boring, stereotypical space version of captain america and made him interesting? gave him an actual personality? how dare they lol
@@demsocialistboi Totally, dude. They made a jerk with a heart of gold solo space adventurer who actually had to learn to work with people and actually earn the spot as a leader by being competent more interesting by rewriting his character to match up specifically for the marvel movies, in which he is incredibly dumbed down and turned into the vehicle for that incredibly not overused brand of ‘everyone must be Downey Jr.’ humor. Yeah, you’re right. How dare I not like this and want something different from the rest of the characters in these movies and shows. I must be stupid.
I'm seriously starting to hate the troupe of "I've killed literally hundreds of people to get to you but I'm not going to kill you even though you're a genocidal maniac because that would make me no better than you" in media. Also this show did not do enough to make me hate Khonshu lol, it actually made me feel bad for him what with how much they shit talk him. As for your Spawn comparison, my mind actually went to Tom Hardy's version of Venom first with how they portray Steven as being a guy who wants to avoid fighting but is being controlled by someone who absolutely wants to do the opposite, Khonshu just struck me as a nicer and more reasonable version of the symbiote.
It's not just a trope, it's straight up bad writing. It means that the writer couldn't think of a good climax, so they decided to end with a "moral" that's not only hackey and unoriginal, but makes zero sense in context. Killing one person who hurt you in the worst way possible isn't a moral dilemma when you already murdered a city's worth of mooks who never did anything to you without blinking an eye (looking at you, TLOU2.)
I mean to be fair, Batman eating absolute shit in The Batman is genuinely fucking hilarious because it hits the Jackass part of my brain and convinces me that he has broken ribs throughout the whole rest of the film. It makes me respect him more in hindsight for pushing through it.
yeah it's actually a good bit of writing reinforcing him being inexperienced and/or just generally not an immortal genius. plus it comes so suddenly to utterly dismantle a tense escape scene into him gingerly limping away
The “eating shit” trope works best when a hero is in the developmental or early years of being a hero. It works best with the grounded and technological hero’s like Batman and Iron Man very well since many people see technology as a multi step process and taking many failures so people very much expect that. I think that’s the best way to do it is to either have the hero fully rely on their own tech or just starting off being a hero.
I liked that scene but I feel like they went too far with having him limp away. Like they already made him eat shit they didn’t need to make him look like a bitch too.
@@Punk-Mask I mean after almost getting sandwiched by the bus and bridge I’m sure anyone would feel like shit trying to get up and walk away from that.
People who defend this adaptation often say “X wouldn’t fit into the MCU, it would be too weird/it would conflict with y” My answer is usually that the MCU is obsolete if it forces mediocrity in their individual projects
That's how I felt about Taskmasters abilities in Black Widow, they decided that a really good memory was too much of a ridiculous superpower so had a USB stick stuck in her head. Was very dumb.
It’s a sad truth. The MCU works to cater to all audiences, even kids and if that means dialing down a character’s darker, more adult aspects to appeal that demographic, they will do it.
I’m so glad you dived into Marks Jewish religion and how it plays such a pivotal role in his character. Making it such a small footnote was not only cowardly but hypocritical from Disney who claims to head diversity and representation in media. But calling Disney hypocritical is like calling water wet
Disney is like any megacorporation. They'll go on and on about diversity but would never risk a penny for it. That's why ever since Captain Marvel we haven't had any female MCU leads that haven't been D+ originals or early releases.
Ethnicity as well as religion and Oscar is even ethnically Jewish, but the West tends to view Jewishness as only a religion parallel to Christianity, hence not considered diverse. Hence, Disney had to give the character another supplemental (akshual) diversity point by being Latino. Coincidentally, the actor happened to be both. Plus, focusing too much on the Jewish aspect might have upset any anti Zionists along the largely Arab fan base. The Egyptian director had already been slammed by viewers for daring to make a film about Arabs and Israelis.
Ironically, the opposite happened to my favorite character. Hawkeye was changed from a fun, goofy-but-capable essential part of the Avengers to a boring, over-lookable hanger-on who had all his best comic traits stolen by other characters in the MCU.
He was definitely afraid that Moon Knight would be "MCU-ified" and I knew it'd happen, especially when Steven with a V wasn't correctly portrayed...ouch
I genuinely did like the show, but everything you said here stands true, and would've only served to improve it. Steven is cool as he is, but the decision to make him a complete goof and then magically competent at the end along with tying him to Mr. Knight was weird, the boiling down of Jake to just being the Evil Alter and being an essential plot point that ends up just being bait for future projects instead of fleshed out in this show is just a really annoying choice when looking at the series in a vacuum (as the creators themselves intended), the misuse or just lack of use of key characters felt weird, the absolute underplaying and undertilization of Marc's Jewish Heritage and belief (and especially his father seemingly not being a Rabbi in this version, considering the changes with his mother) was one of the biggest missed opportunities to tell a really profound story that I've seen in a Marvel project. Plus, Kevin didn't do the show any favours by just straight up lying about how violent the show would be; like it's just clear as day that this show is not as gruesome as he made it out to be. I really did like a lot about the show, and I'd even say it was good. But, it could've been *great* and all they would've had to do was make the show that Kevin initially described this to be, one that didn't pull back, and wasn't afraid to portray some very ambiguous and disturbing subject matter to its audience without watering any of it down for them. But really, I just hope the comics keep doing their own thing, because this current run is peak moon knight, and I would hate for it or any of the runs that follow it to have to become as safe or constrained as the show.
I mean yeah I feel the same,I like the show as it is,but these are all fair criticisms,and I’d be lying if i said I’m an avid moon knight comic reader like Xavier here,hell prior to this show the only moon knight media I was exposed to was web of shadows,and in that game they pretty much just made him the stereotype of marvels Batman
My thoughts exactly. I really liked the show but all the points brought up in the video are extremely valid. It really does seem like the MCU is afraid to get more mature and touch on certain subjects because it might scare away people that are used to the usual MCU tone and feel. We used to have the Netflix shows for that darker, more mature take on the MCU, but all of those were canceled and who knows if we’ll ever see that again in the MCU. Moon Knight really would have benefited if was taken a bit more seriously and really delve into topics it didn’t.
I actually thought the fifth episode was a little better than the rest of the episodes for its willingness to touch on the more "trippy" aspects of the character and his grip on reality-the influence of MK V8 was pretty evident and it was a little more risky than the other episodes.
I recommend the newest run. 2021. If you look too close it's a batman story but it's still really good. Zodiac is basically the Joker and the end baddie is basically ras al ghul. It also has him teaming up with tigra and vampires, and let's not forget the GOAT 8 ball
The whole show feels like it was designed for people who've only seen the comic panel edits about Dracula owing Marc money or Marc Steven and Jake all trolling Spiderman by rapidly switching,that's probably why this video is the only one I can find actually talking about how the character is so different because the general population already saw moonknight as "The goofy system that's like Deadpool but doesn't break the fourth wall"
@@aghitsaplane4262 That's because the people behind Moon Knight tv show were exactly how you described them. The writer of the Moon Knight series "Jeremy Slater" has stated that he never really liked Moon Knight and always thought he was a Batman ripoff. He also felt Moon Knight doesn't have any good villains, so he created "Arthur Harrow" as an MCU original villain. Kevin Feige on the other hand, wanted to go even further with the "Let's make Moon Knight like Deadpool" thing and originally wanted to base the character on 2011 Bendis version of Moon Knight. A goofy comic series where Moon Knight pretends to be Spider-man, Captain America, and Wolverine. A comic series that sold poorly, that most Moon Knight fans hated, and was eventually retcon/forgotten. .....It was also the first comic to introduce the concept of giving Moon Knight "Dissociative Identity Disorder", instead of Moon Knight just being an evil man who used to kill innocent people and now hides from his past with his new disguises and a superhero identity. Slowly going insane because of his guilt. Bendis also gave Moon Knight D.I.D. back in a 2005 Ultimate Spider-man comic, but that wasn't canon. In the end, Jeremy Slater was only interested in making this show for "Mental Health Representation" and while at it he openly admitted to trying to cram the Dracula Moon Knight meme into the script. However Marvel wouldn't let him because Blade is going to be introducing Vampires. Meaning we might get the meme referenced in the Midnite Sons movie or some shit.
"It'll happen to your favorite hero too" Man I can't wait for Wolverine (either Logan or Laura) to pop up in the MCU and be nothing like the comic counter part, turning his aggressive sarcasm into safe Twitter Sass, and for whatever reason after popping his claws for a fight, he'll retract them before every punch because he doesn't want to actually hurt his enemies because of his backstory he can't remember, because you just KNOW when they bring someone like Logan in they'll bring back his amnesia and in turn, the comics will be like "Ah ha the life you thought you knew? That was a FAKE backstory, those memories weren't yours, idiot!"
@@dylansharp8471 And why would I assume they will do anything different when every hero they do is transformed into the same cookie cutter *sassy remark* formula?
I imagine his claws will be handled similarly to the Fox films (excluding Logan). And I remember reading a bit of the early Claremont run where Wolverine is forbidden to kill, so it's not exactly unfaithful to have Wolverine not go all out. But I wouldn't be surprised if you were right about the "Twitter Sass".
My issue was that their wasn't enough Moon Knight in the show doing actual Moon Knight things but rather focus on ancient gods and stuff like that and I felt that's what really dragged it down from being fantastic
@@NuggetGX well yea don't get me wrong I loved the mystery as well, but even though I've already expected it to be toned down, I would've still loved to see more action scenes with Moon Knight actually fighting street thugs and such, but I do understand what you mean cause the mystery aspect is probably the biggest part of Moon Knight
@@NuggetGX Just the first two episodes of Steven figuring out about Marc Spector were interesting, everything else was generic. The fights weren’t great either.
@@NuggetGX World ending threat done a thousand times, a secret council done a thousand times, Main character gets sent to the after life done a thousand times, big cgi battle at the end done is pretty much every marvel movie, Deus ex machina (Jake Lockley) done a thousand times, the trope that killing is bad so the main character spares the bad guy done a thousand times. The only interesting thing to come out of this show was the question “should people be punished for future mistakes?” which didn’t get enough focus and you don’t get to see the other side of the coin the writers just wrap it up by saying “gOod GUy rIGHt bAD gUY WRong”.
The way people were talking about this show made me feel like I was going insane, im glad someone else felt the way I did about this show. By the way, your first Moon Knight video got me into the character and now he's my favorite marvel character! So thanks for that
Same here, kinda! Only managed to finish Volume 1 because binge reading comics is a financial disaster I cannot afford (and really makes me wonder why I don’t just pirate it). It’s really cool to see where Moon Knight began and I find it kind of disappointing to see what the MCU show lacked in comparison. I’m not one to actively look for echo chambers. I like to have my opinions challenged and whatnot but it’s always nice to stumble across a video with like minded people. It kinda makes me feel like I’m not just an insane and overly obsessive fan that should get a new hobby.
You’re not alone. I felt so incredibly gaslit. Honestly, though, I don’t really blame them. I feel like a lot of hardcore Moon Knight fans were just grateful to have anything at all, they made up justifications in their heads to say the show was good.
Same lmao People were putting this show on the level of Daredevil and I just felt crazy because I couldn't see it. The show is mid af, nowhere near comparable to Daredevil S1 and S2.
@@valiantshadow89 If I can give some credit to the show, it’s that it had amazing actors, a positive example of mental illness, and the action was still pretty dope. It’s arguably the best out of the D+ shows, but that’s not much to write home about
When Khonshu left MK at the end, I was really hoping (though I knew we wouldn’t be so lucky) that it was setting up Marc to eventually pick up the suit again without Khonshu’s help, that way they could always bring Khonshu back and play with the idea of whether it’s all just in Marc’s head, PTSD from all the things Khonshu made him do when he was his avatar, or whether he was really back.
I had a similar theory back when we first saw harrow as the psychiatrist. I thought that maybe the events of the show up to that point had all been in Marc’s mind and he would somehow escape the ward and then become Moon Knight on his own, inspired by his own delusions and fantasy.
@@Wh1stle_03 Damn it all, both of these ideas are so fantastic. Why didn't Disney take advantage of those ideas when they easily set them up? Both would be a great way for Marc to don the Moon Knight costume without powers just like in the comics, and his mental sanity would always be unclear as to if it is all in his head or not. My mind was certainly blown at these two ideas, but sadly they probably won't be able to happen in the MCU.
But no, instead now they're in a fake world or something as Jake Lockley now has the wheel. Shows by Jake killing Harrow at the end showing him being the one in control.
Maybe if a second season happens, theyll have Mark and Stephen trying to go Spiderman route, where they try to go at being a superhero on their own without the help of Khonsu. Honestly, it might even be cool if they show up in the next Spiderman Movie, especially considering Moon Knight and Spiderman have connections in the comic.
Honestly I'm kinda already going through this with She-Hulk, she's one of my favorite female superheroes and I could've honestly overlooked not as great CGI if the character's personality, themes, and writing stayed intact. Instead it seems like she's going to have to come into her own as an Avenger and that's just gonna be what her arc is, meanwhile a defining trait of her comics is that her Hulk form isn't something she's ashamed of or hides but is proud of, actually boosts her confidence, and is the state she's always in. Maybe they'll do her justice, but it is what it is and I'll try to just hold out hope for the series.
honestly I feel they would still go for that. Sure she goes in some mission with Hulk but she said she doesn't wanna be an avenger and the scenes with the other girls, being a hero attorney, and the fact episodes would be shorter and probably more laid back I at least think there's a chance they would go for that instead
I just wish we got to see Jake Lockley's Moon knight suit during the final fight and have all the black outs payoff instead we got another black out and the fight was over.
@@therangerindisguise5280 a fully serialised narrative? Probably not. A tv show where each episode was more self contained (with an overarching story brewing in the background)? Maybe.
I’m so tired of people saying “watch the new disney thing, it’s much better/different than the other stuff!”...because it never is. Cannot wait for the bubble to burst and we all turn our attention towards projects with a bit more passion, soul and actual effort put in.
"There's definitely not enough Egyptian superheroes." - Rather there's not enough non-American superheroes. And don't even get me started about Marvel's treatment of Polish characters...
The problem is that, marvels "diverse" superheroes are meaningless if they'rr all in ONLY america. like yeah he's french but he'll prolly only serve as a french man stereotype for the sake of being french. or a pakistani superhero or a polynesian superhero and so on and so forth. Ethnicity and race doesnt matter if we cant see them operate in their respective country
Disney doesn't understand that viariaty is not the reason why people project themselves on those heroes. It's the struggles that they have to overcome that makes them human. Spiderman is one of the most popular characters because he is a broke teenager that always tries his best and always gets shunned and scoled for being lazy. His choice or rather responsibility of being Spiderman is actively destroying his life. He has various thoughts of just giving up but he clenches his teeth does what is right and trancends as a person. Disney cannot hope to understand Stan Lee, Lucas or any other creators works that they now own. Disneys marvel and star wars will never be marvel or star wars. They will always be cheap immitations for corporate monetization.
As someone who has been a long time fan of the comics I enjoyed the Moon Knight series for what it was but was disappointed in what it could've been. We got a good Moon Knight series when we could've had a great one 🌌🌙🌌
People praise the show because there is quite a bit of good in it, sometimes people just wanna enjoy what they get and no matter what there will always be criticism about these because they're not perfect, but at the same time, at least in my personal opinion, the goods out way the issues in Moon Knight, for the most part
@@melvinkookiecruise3888 There is a few problems with a show that someone looking to hate the show would find. For example, "This is a PG13 show", or something about this not being exactly like their favorite version of Moon Knight. A few problems, or disagreements with a show, or a few bads in a show doesn't mean the show is bad at all because there was way more goods in the show than the bads, and Moon Knight is the very definition of it.
@@melvinkookiecruise3888 goods outweigh the problems? Are you having a laugh? The show is mid ASF even if we were to disconnect it from Moon Knight. If we do connect it to MK then its also a terrible excuse for a MK adaptation
@@SpinoSam Bro if one of the few "bads" is like "This is a PG13 show, and I think it should've been the exact storyline of the Moon Knight comics", then yeah there is more goods than bads if thats someone's argument. The worst part in people's arguments is that when making a statement in an argument they will use the "I think" or something that sounds like their own problem that wouldn't really have anything to do with the show they're criticizing about. You can't have a personal opinion in an argument about a show because like "I just think the show shouldn't of been only PG13!", ok, and? That sounds like a you problem more than an actual issue that ruins the story they were making.
My biggest problem with Moon Knight, the show, is that I relate to Moon Knight on a level beyond most. I have DID myself, the whole "different minds in one brain" shebang. On top of that, I also have Bipolar Disorder and deal with a lot of personal trauma- so reading about Marc, Jake, and Steven left me genuinely like for once, I was understood in some level. It helped me to process and understand a lot of myself, and MK comics help me connect more with my father. On top of all this, I even relate heavily to that aspect of trauma shocking and distorting our feelings of faith. So when I watch the show and feel this impossibly sanitized version of the character, I just felt... Empty. Or angry. I read bad runs of the comic that left me annoyed, but I still could TASTE the passion. This show just felt utterly bankrupt on passion for the faith, for the mental side, for really caring about the character. It honestly hurts.
Hello! I've only heard of DID related to Moon Knight and am pretty ignorant about it. I don't want to be offensive or anything, but would you mind if I asked you about it some?
@@birdknight6616 I have some questions too and hope not to offend so tell me if I do, I also agree with your statement about moon knight, as a long time comic MK fan the MCU show sucks and they just ruined the character for money purposes, it’s always Quantity over Quality and the MCU stans just eat it up and call it “ART” it just annoys me how MCU Stans don’t watch anything there than the MCU like it’s the only form of content.1 .How does D.I.D work? Do you just switch Alters randomly or something? I have no idea. 2. Which movie/show or book is the most accurate? 3. How do you feel about the movie Split?
@@birdknight6616 ok, thanks a lot! I'm very curious person by nature so if I ask anything uncomfortable feel free to tell me you don't want to answer it and I'll understand. First of all, I'm curious about how exactly transitioning between personalities works. Does it happen often?
The final fight being cut still upsets me so much. They want us to believe that Moonknight just did A LOT of cool stuff without showing it and it left me wanting to see just how did things end up the way they did- Bro some stuff was on FIRE in the scene, and they refused to show it, this is evil, I hate megacorporations
I remember the first trailer for Moon Knight had much more of a horror vibe that I was super on board with. It was like Steven was being haunted by Konchu. Then the show came out and there was a little bit of that in the first episode but it was mostly comedic and I couldn't help but be let down.
It's becoming apparent to me that the MCU is actually one of the worst things to happen to Marvel (creatively, obviously not financially.) So much of what made these characters and stories interesting was sacrificed to make them more accessible to wider audiences to the point where many of them aren't even characters anymore, just quippy meme generators portrayed be conventionally attractive actors with generic cgi effects and bland and grim color palettes.
@@ollytherevenant1653 Even then, my main issue is that the bland Disnified versions almost always become the standard, with comic books and other media changing drastically to match the movie variant so the little 8 year-olds don't complain that it's not just like the film they watched. Cinematic adaptations have a huge impact on IPs and how the general public perceive them, cause they reach the largest markets and have the most financial investments.
Strongly agreed, not to mention that the movies ended up killing three of Marvel's beat shows (Wolverine and the X-men, SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN and avengers EMH) to replace theme with literal garbage or nothing. -Threw into the garbage one of their most popular franchises just because THEY DIDN'T HAD THE FKING MOVIE RIGHTS. And lastly they ruined Marvel vs Capcom just for the sake of promoting the stupid movies
Almost my exact thoughts on the show, just the definition of "mid" on such a unique character. I like that halfway through you had almost the exact same thoughts as Browntable did about the lack of payoff in these shows
I absolutely loved the show, but I know precisely jack all about the original character, now I feel bad for loving it so much because of how much it dicked over the actual fans of the character
@@wp6192 that is kind of hard for some like me, now it just feels like we are ruining what was set to be amazing for the lowest kind of media, while yea it is mostly fault of disney and so on we were the target audiance and i myself can't help but feel like i've been played like a fiddle. I will be reading the comics because of how interesting the concept itself is, but having enjoyed the show just feels like in the end i just fell for a trap and betrayed those who actually love the character, comics and stories for the simplefied version of it.
One thing I loved about Doctor Strange 2 is how it addresses the issue of MCU heroes being generally incompetent bafoons, in DS2 Strange never depowered, in fact he's maybe at the most powerful and creative that we've seen him, it's just that the villain so far outclasses his very impressive skills that he can't just solve every issue. I honestly hope that's how they keep using Strange since I think it's a really fun way to utilize a character like that
This is essentially how I felt when Bendis took over the Guardians and making them more like their movie counterparts. Its why I honestly didn't get back into Guardians comics till after 2018. So I feel you even though people love the movie versions of those characters.
As someone who liked this show, and watched it with their family I can definitely say there is a degree of...Simplification to the character, but also not unexpected of the MCU. I think people saying its fresh and original are correct in the way that the show doesn't really feel like typical Marvel or Disney plots, even if its a lil toothless. As an example I was in Disney Land back when the final episode was airing and rewatched all the previous episodes with my parents in the hotel. And our talks about mental health and multiple personality disorders was interesting, perhaps even more so than the way the show had illustrated them. Which maybe that's what people are taking away from the show is more concepts than strictly whats being put to screen? I know I liked it and I'm a huge moon knight fan of the comics. Not to say I want this to be the end all be all for the character, because that's not true. I think the comparisons to Fist of Konshu at least make it clear to me that the MCU did the basic idea of mystisim super hero a lil better than those early runs. The unfortunate reality is I never expected Moon Knight to be like himself really, it just seemed like too complicated of a character to bring to screen without alienating people from the character and was MCUified. But I also don't think those concessions were a bad thing in this instance either. Comics, and by extension books as a whole just have a lot more room to say and do weird or unique concepts that most other media wont tackle. Having an easy to understand approximation of the character for people who want to get into the comics is kind of refreshing. My mom, who has never read comics just picked up Moon Knight From the Dead to read at work because shes interested to learn more about the character. Granted I will also admit however that based on prior MCU track records Moon Knight might become a lil more toned down in modern comics as a result of this show. We can hope otherwise but, that's probably the truth. But I still personally think this is probably one of the better MCU TV shows, and projects as of late. Im sorta sick of super hero tv shows and movies as a whole outside of stuff coming from other countries, but I thoroughly enjoyed what this show had to offer just on the pure basis that it wasn't like other projects. For as watered down as Moon Knight was, I think the show still has merit in introducing people to the character and getting new fans into his books.
the show sucked. Bringing Moon Knight as he is in the comics to the big (or small) screen is possible. Disney are just too chicken shit to do it. Netflix should have never lost the TV rights.
The writer/show runner straight up said he didn’t like Marc Spectre(you know, the main character) and he pitched it as “ghostbusters meets Indiana jones” which is the biggest slap in the face to moon knight fans ever
may as well call it tales of suspense then (even tho iron man first showed up in it, it’d make more sense for a psychological-horror noir character like him)
I honestly did not know about moon knight before this show, but hearing you talk about it makes me really intrested in the comics because it actually sounds pretty cool. Also I just like street level superheroes more
31:39 Spiderman was indeed backpedaled to be a street level superhero again, at least that's what the No Way Home ending implied. I hope they keep it that way, this version of Spiderman has so much potential facing lower scale threats. e
I do love how you end up introducing me to comics because you keep advocating for them to be brought up in the public eye than die out. Especially with Venom’s redemption arc. You make me wanna read some comics!
God honestly imagine if we had a show from the old daredevil show runners and writers with moon knight in a grounded story where we see a man make so many identities on his war of vengeance with bushman as the villain with him then starting to fall into madness with his mission and has his aliases become split personalities and break him. You could tell such a crazy story
Coming from someone who had family members that were victims of the Holocaust, I can't even begin to describe how pissed off it makes me that Disney practically ignored the Jewish elements of mark's character.
The show left me very unsatisfied and wanting for more. If anyone has any recommendations for Moon Knight runs let me know. I’m trying to get to know the real Moon Knight.
I found every run to have its pros and cons, so I don’t have a “favorite”, but MK is definitely a character that deserves more eyes on the source material.
The Jeff Lemire run is a great start. The Warren Ellis run is short but fantastic and where we first get Mr. Knight, and the Peter Woods and Cullen Bunn runs that followed are also alright, worth a read. I haven't read the original Doug Moench run yet (mostly out of laziness) but I'd still give it a read since it's the og. The current Jed MacKay run is absolutely fantastic so far though you need to read Age of Khonshu to fully understand it (or a summary at least). And finally, there's a ongoing 4 part mini series called Black White and Red which is just a bunch of short stories using only black white and red. Also I've heard the Charlie Huston one is good too but I haven't read it yet. Hope that helps!
I remember being so hyped when he woke up in the mental home because I thought that all we had just previously was just a delusion and that mark was gonna break out of the mental home with Crawley and make his own Moonknight costume and become a vigilante and discover his other alter Jake and win the lottery or something idk but was disappointed when that giant hippo showed up and said they were dead
I think the main thing with Moon Knight is that they absolutely needed to test the waters with Season 1. Season 2, I imagine, will be alot more comic accurate now that they've found their footing and people love the character.
As much as the Moon Knight show missed the mark, after it ended I got the Legacy run, the Lemire run, and the first volume of the recent MacKay run. So it did something good, and I enjoyed the show either way
Those were the first 3 I read after watching the show too! Legacy is brutal but I really liked the character work in that one. the MacKay run is incredible and my favorite so far.
I think I liked the show so much was because I really don't know the character. I appreciate what was given to me because I don't know what wasn't. The show definitely could have been more thoughtful about the conflict, but I think it was good regardless.
Jeremy Slater himself said Jake being Evil alter would be least interesting and exciting part of the character and i think they would do like a loyal servant to Khonshu rather than a straight out psychopath. They could make him a charming guy he was in comics but it's hard to build his relationships with Crawley in next instalments
There’s a good chance I’m wrong but I get a feeling Kevin Feige isn’t a fan of the comics these characters are from I also personally think writers should try to make the comics like the mcu, it really gentrifies the universe and characters and strips out the fantastical elements that makes me love superhero comics
I feel like they took what made his character so special and interesting, and just removed it for the sake of making it "normal." Even the difference between something like the suit magically forming and him putting on the suit himself changes the character. DID is treated like a fun gimmick and not what it actually is aside from two scenes in episode 5. And they couldn't be bothered to represent the character being Jewish that much? Ultimately a very disappointing show that I knew would not work in the MCU given the standards. At least we have the comics for now, I'm gonna go read Declan Shalvey's run again for the millionth time.
@@therangerindisguise5280 See this is the WORST argument. If your defense of a pretty flawed first season is the hypothetical that another season will be better, that does not retroactively make the first season good. Did you know that the first cars invented lacked seatbelts? The existence of seatbelts in all vehicles now does not retroactively make those first cars safer. Jake being functionally a deus ex machina plot device to offscreen kill people and framed heavily as an ~evil alter~ by the subtext of this rather than the protector via any means- violence, charisma, "doing what needs to get done"- is equal parts bad writing and offensive, stereotypical writing. Even if the show as a whole resolves this issue for itself as a whole, this first season will still have that flaw- that flaw's context will just evolve.
Came back to this video after seeing Deadpool and Wolverine because it showed that R rated projects could work well in the MCU. Moon Knight has always been an interesting character to me ever since I first saw him randomly appear in the Ultimate Spider Man cartoon when I was a kid
That first voice over bit of marc and his alters saying "theyre sick but we still deserve a life worth living" really got me like i was reading the lemire run all over again sincerely thank u for this video man channels like urs help make me feel proud to be a comic fan
I remember statements of an Inhumans movie being canned since the studio didn’t want to make a half-hearted adaptation. I guess this is what they meant and I don’t blame them
I wanna believe they were just testing the waters as a starter for such a deep character, fingers crossed the 2nd season gets closer to Moon knight and his comics
Please, it's Disney. They always want the lowest common denominator when it comes to their projects. There can't be an controversial topics or else the couch potatoes and other folks might feel alienated or too disturbed and click off.
Man. It might seem mean but truthfully man don't do that yourself. You're setting yourself up for the future failure of this and going "man why did I ever choose to hold out hope. All that time spent invested just got wasted." And I'm not saying this to just dunk on you and dash ur hopes. I genuinely just don't think it's worth going through that and putting on this blinders to deny reality just for a dumb show. Expect the worst so you're never disappointed but will always be delightfully surprised. That's my personal view.
They really have the opportunity to do this, but they won't, I just know they won't But...I really liked what we got, it has a different feel from the comics, yes, but I still find it really good I just hope they scale down the show a bit, it can still be this big adventure thing, but with a more comic moon knight feeling so it gets deeper, darker and more believable, their depiction of Jake is a big opportunity to do this I also think Steven was just a bit too exaggerated, to the point that sometimes it just isn't believable What we have here is obviously above mediocre, it's really good, but it can be so much better
Don’t think you will see this but because of you I decided to start reading Moon Knight comics and I just finished Mackay run and now on to the current book “vengeance of moon knight” and he’s become my favorite marvel character. Just wanted to say thank you! Your thoughts in this video are exactly how I felt after reading alot of his comics
I'm glad! I tried to be very meticulous about using the real terminology and describing it in a respectful manner because I know that community is larger than most people realize and normalizing these things helps them out
Not only is this one of your greatest videos, but this is such an incredible summation of how I feel about marvel today. We are not the target demographic anymore. These compilations for silly people that go on for seven minutes plus are exactly what send me straight back to the comics to admire the version of moon night we have. He was such an obscure character, that literally nothing needed to be changed as far as bringing him into the MCU. those bad ass clips of him talking about being moon night and shit do more than the show ever could accomplish. as much as I respect your opinion and used to like the show, this definitely made me like the show less because my guy you are right
@@dylansharp8471 You OK bro? When I referred to silly people I’m referring to the people in the compilations being portrayed as silly. But I also don’t mind calling the group of people who enjoy that silly too lmaooooo you’ll be OK i’m knocking nothing off
This show is the equivalent to making the Punisher a demon hunter, only difference is that casual fans liked this change here. Oskar Isaacs really dies the heavy lifting for this tho. Also at 5:54 the fact that these weapons were canonically made by the time traveling Avengers is so funny to me.
You handled this far more maturely than one would expect so I thank you for that. I know I would also be really pissed if they messed up my favs so good for you on looking on the bright side.
Oh my God thank you for addressing the street level problem! Every super hero movie for the past decade or so has been "OH my god the end of the world!" "ALIENS!!" "This time it's the END OF THE UNIVERSE!" The best spidey comics in my opinion are the low key street level ones. That's why I still like the lizard and why I think ASM messed up his character, and that's also why I liked the new Batman movie. Batman wasn't doing it "to save the world", it started with one street level crime and slowly became a city wide threat, but I'm glad it didn't expand past a city wide threat.
I think a lot of street level heroes are better for the small screen per Defenders and Punisher. Gives them more time to flesh out the word and characters, plus they don’t have the same “grandness” even as someone like Batman. Just comparing the Daredevil television show and the Ben Affleck movie (granted they were numerous problems with it) where it feels rushed. Actually, one of the reasons why Daredevil was sent to TV was because Marvel Studios wasn’t interested in making an r-rated, smaller budget movie as Drew Goddard stated and I believed it work in favor of the character. I actually think thats why Marvel Studious has had a lot issues with their shows because they’re use to making big blockbusters rather than telling serialized, smaller stories for so long.
I’m glad that March gave us a artistic and loving adaptation based on a gritty, street-crime focused comic superhero where the main character has some personal mental baggage and is able to use their chest logo as a tool/weapon… and it was called The Batman lol. Also your story of you and your dad’s roommate talking about what you thought about the newest moon knight episode was LITERALLY ME with my coworker every week.
I feel like Moon Knight is open enough where Jake and Steven can be explained/fixed. I think Marc is really accurate (we just need more of him and his past). I'm hoping S2/movie fixes him and makes him more street level now that the big danger has been killed
They still have chances of making him a street leveler and it all depends on whether that whole Egyptian thing could be surreal or real. Cuz if they're not trying to make him a street leveler, they could abandon his non powered villains like Black Spectre, Stainled glass scarlet.
Fun Fact: the person who plays Moon Knight in all the motion comics played Superman in both Goku vs Superman Death Battles. Really cool tidbit I thought was worth sharing.
Actually the turning back time bit and blocking the sun was more of Khonshu's doing, not Moon Knight's, granted he was helping with the time rewind moment but I thought that was more of a boost to get it done faster.
Wow. Your last few sentences made me tear up a little. I do wish Marvel/Disney+ had more respect for the comic book fans. I do think it is obvious that it is not the comic fans they are trying to appeal to, but the masses. They could appeal to both better, but they have an agenda that gets in the way. I have only recently started reading comics, I did enjoy the tv series, but definitely see where the show was "safe" rather than true to the actual character. I would actually get mad when I would read so many people loving Steven but hating on Marc for no real reason.
i wouldn't blame the show to much, because the pacing issues and limitations were due to the fact that show was 6 EPISODES. marvel needs to increase the amount of episodes for their limited series so they can have more time to build story.
Yeah, I feel like Disney wants their disney+ marvel shows to all be the same and formulaic with 6 episodes. Wandavision had 9 so it had time to take things slow in the beginning. Moon Knight needed to take thing slow in the beginning to set up all the mystery, but it had to cut a lot of things short and make sacrifices plot wise to be at least somewhat consistent.
Great vid! That's the thing about Marvel content,even before Disney. They trend away from the darker stories,while DC's Superman is asking existential questions about death. I love me some Marvel,but I'll always favor treating the myth seriously. If I must pick an overall brand tone,I'd rather imbue the material with gravitas.
Part of the reason burds of rpey has been my favorite superhero movie in the last 5 years is because of how it fills the street level hole weve been missing. Its also just a lot of fun
The Hood is my favorite character from comics ever since his first solo issue, I know he has been kinda made into a lame stock villain his latest appearances in the comics but I am terrified of what Iron Heart Might do to him
*ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE ME LOVE ALL THE MOON KNIGHT/MR. KNIGHT SINCE HIS 1° RUN WAS THE FACT THAT BEFORE 2020 HIS POWERS WERE ALWAYS SO "AMBIGOUS", NOT KNOWING SPECIFICALLY WHAT HTEY WERE BUT THEY NEVER WERE USED AS A DEUS EX MACHINA OR A PLOT CONTRIVANCE, & ALSO THAT'S WHY HE ALWAYS RELY ON PRETTY CREATIVE GADGETS LIKE HIS MOON-JET, HIS BILLYCLUB, HIS CHAINS, HIS GRAPPLINGS ETC.* _PD. BTW, ETHAN HAWKE'S CHARACTER(I STILL CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME) IS ALDRICH KILLIAN'S LEVELS OF AWFUL ANTAGONIST_
I honestly feel like Moon Knight shouldve been a grounded street superhero like Daredevil. Maybe Disney+ producers just couldnt afford a competent writing like Daredevil.
I wouldn't call the writing "incompetent," but just not suited to the character. It'd probably work a lot better for someone else. Moon Knight would definitely be closer to Daredevil, but probably a touch darker and weirder. I'd especially love a deeper exploration of his trauma and how he struggles with his Jewish faith versus his newfound faith in Khonshu. More of a psychological and introspective story that surrounds the action and horror stuff.
i was speechless about this show. not that it wasn’t bad but the fact that Kevin Feige can’t take a fucking risk just pisses me off. Edit: What I mean is I was expecting this show to be the new Daredevil and there isn’t any excuses for it not to be and the fact that Steven Grant wasn’t the rich persona that would’ve been interesting just shatters me caring about that persona and it was really rushed too and they also kept cutting fights out which was fine but that last minute fight with Harrow and the goons and they cut it of course, that just was not my cup of tea. They should’ve shown Jake that moment at that time and they didn’t and at that point I just gave up on caring about it.
@@TomiOAT i mean the mcu had that reveal in the third act of gotg vol 2 when ego gave Peter's mother brain cancer so he wouldn't be tempted to go back to earth to see her just so he could accomplish his goal in ruling the universe. I dunno how the mother abusing steve is the most real thing the mcu has done so far and in the past.
@@TomiOAT I really don't care about it being more violent & I do like the "abusive parent" thing despite it being generic imo. I just wished they adapted his religion they way it was in the comics, cuz that's a real risk. The DID part & the MK origin scene was very good tho.
@@NuggetGX Dude who's hating? I'm certainly not. I really liked the show at at the end of the day but considering how powerful MK's characterization is, I just wished they took the risk of adapting the complete source material. You're being ignorant that this show has many flaws & think the criticism is hate.
Mendoza you should make a moon knight beginners guide like you did for Deadpool. Ive read a decent amount of the more recent MK runs but am sometimes confused on where to start with the earlier stuff
*100 Agree!* Though I enjoyed the show, it definitely played things safe. HOWEVER, I believe hope shouldn't be lost. I think the show did well in introducing the basics, and I think these ideas can definitely develop in a second season to transform the character into the Moon Knight we know and love. I actually have a pitch for it: In short, lean more into the psychology of the character, like in the asylum episode, and have the three alters come together to confront their relationship with Khonshu, rejecting him like in that AWESOME sequence from the comics shown in your video. Then, without Khonshu, they can become make a homemade suit and become more of a street-level hero, realising they are Moon Knight with or without Khonshu. So, overall, let's hope that S2 takes what worked in S1 and doubles down on those moments. But that's just my opinion 😁
I want them to continue with the ambiguity from Marc and his alters' perspective and carefully introduce Frenchie. Well season 2 could hang out with Harrow. What i want them to make for season 2 is 1. Carefully execute the story and ambiguous elements. 2. Character development to Villains cuz I'm really disappointed with Harrow lack of character development as the show gone introspective like other Marvel shows but this one effected the villain, they combined him with Morning star, Sun King and Dr.Emmet and his motivation is only the similar thing from comics.
I wanna say I really enjoy the voiced comic segments. I think it adds so much to the feel of the video and takes it to a higher level than a regular review. I don’t know what else to say but wow
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Ya know what’s a better show that takes TONS of risks and doesn’t apologize Doom Patrol check it out
I was waiting for this man thanks
Hey Godzilla, how do you feel about the Spider-Man Lotus controversy?
The rant about Arthur Harrow is exactly how I feel about Simeon Krieger and Harold Mechaum.Their all random nobodies
Found your channel not long ago and you summed up my thoughts on this show perfectly. I was happy to get Moon Knight on TV but damn was I disappointed at what they changed. Especially the personalities.
If they’re too scared to take risks for an obscure character don’t expect big things for the well known heroes
Isn't that already a thing?
Like Tony's alcoholism was mostly ignored and Wanda's delusions are also heavily toned down to not make her too unsympathetic.
@@shinyagumon7015 to be fair to the alcoholism that story was a single issue in a much bigger story going on regarding a bunch of other things Tony was dealing with at the time.
@@creed8712 demon in a bottle is all about his alcoholism biting him in the ass.
@@shinyagumon7015 The alcoholism is because RDJ was a former addict who was scared he’d regress to that mindset if he portrayed it in the movie. In that case I totally understand why he wouldn’t want to do that.
@@porassrivastava8242 demon in a bottle is a single issue collected in a larger story book that ends sorta abruptly.
The alcoholism was defiantly something people said was a problem in some issues but the overall conflicted of the collected stories was more to do with other factors that maybe his alcoholism were effecting.
Jarvis did leave at the end though
The “Are you an Egyptian superhero?” scene would probably be more heartwarming if it didn’t feel like Disney giving themselves a massive pat on the back
Literally that Obama meme of him giving himself a medal.
Yea at this point Disney really is Vought from The Boys
@@fuzzynuttz5092 lmao, can't wait for them to open up an LGBTQ themed Taco stand in Disneyland lol, have you watched season 3? F*cking hilarious how they made fun of woke culture
Literally just have a scene of the little girls mom about to be shot, and the little girl is too scared to do anything when boom layla saves them, the little girl says can I be like you. And layla says of course. This is all said in Egyptian of course to be subtle.
Yeah. I mean, imagine you are a little kid who lives in a world were not only do super heroes exist, but 90% of them operate in the States, and suddenly a local super hero themed around your country saved you, you would be hyped as fuck.
The scene is fine, but because it's Disney it really feels like they are giving themselves a medal and ruins it
I think one of the things that frustrate me recently with the MCU is how inconsistent it is with its "age-check". Moon Knight's afraid of getting too violent, but Doctor Strange MoM gets to have bisection, heads blown up, body horror contortions and disturbing imagery just fine in a PG-13 setting. Meanwhile, Deadpool 3 is confirmed to keep the R-rating, mostly because Ryan Reynolds and his team fought so hard for it, so there's literally no reason for Moon Knight to tiptoe so much on the violence department.
This is why Ryan Reynolds is the GOAT
MoM is actually kind of why I see why Disney is so cautious because like I really liked it but they actually got a lot of flack for how violent it was and the film has some of the most comic book moments we've seen in the MCU so far and yet it's probably one of the most divisive.
@@mikemorro140 bruh it was not that violent. There’s wasn’t even blood. In fucking black Panther a lady literally gets her throat slit and there’s no fucking blood. Those types of people would kill themselves if they saw something like marvel zombies, Arkham Asylum(comic), or Berserk
@@trashboat5388
Saying there's no blood is straight up untrue like Wanda was covered in it at a certain point but either way one of the series you named was Berserk which meant for adults
@@mikemorro140 It's divisive because the movie is awful. I liked the more comic book-y stuff that it tried, but the movie was so poorly written I couldn't enjoy any of it.
Your criticism of superheroes becoming the "bumbling funny man" is spot on. Too many superheroes feel like they are just the same guy just with different quirks attached.
Spider-Man is bumbling funny man, but street level.
Star-Lord is bumbling funny man, but space.
Now Moon Knight is also bumbling funny man, but with DID.
In the comics, it actually feels like these guys are radically different people, which makes it all the more fun when they clash or team-up. In comparison, the MCU versions of these characters might as well be brothers.
I mean, Spider-Man is funny. That’s a part of his character, and how the fuck can you criticize MCU Star-Lord? I think the GOTG movies have the best comedy in the MCU
Having gone back and read some of the old first-appearance stuff for Star-Lord lately? God, it genuinely hurts to see how they turned a genuinely kick ass space-adventurer into a man child with an 80s obsession. Plus, no Element Gun. Utterly unforgivable.
@@TheJakson212 Old Star-Lord was basically Marvel's Master Chief
@@TheJakson212oh wow, they took a boring, stereotypical space version of captain america and made him interesting? gave him an actual personality? how dare they lol
@@demsocialistboi Totally, dude. They made a jerk with a heart of gold solo space adventurer who actually had to learn to work with people and actually earn the spot as a leader by being competent more interesting by rewriting his character to match up specifically for the marvel movies, in which he is incredibly dumbed down and turned into the vehicle for that incredibly not overused brand of ‘everyone must be Downey Jr.’ humor.
Yeah, you’re right. How dare I not like this and want something different from the rest of the characters in these movies and shows. I must be stupid.
I'm seriously starting to hate the troupe of "I've killed literally hundreds of people to get to you but I'm not going to kill you even though you're a genocidal maniac because that would make me no better than you" in media.
Also this show did not do enough to make me hate Khonshu lol, it actually made me feel bad for him what with how much they shit talk him.
As for your Spawn comparison, my mind actually went to Tom Hardy's version of Venom first with how they portray Steven as being a guy who wants to avoid fighting but is being controlled by someone who absolutely wants to do the opposite, Khonshu just struck me as a nicer and more reasonable version of the symbiote.
I rolled my eyes at that shit
@@NuggetGX 🤡
@@shawklan27 shut up
It's not just a trope, it's straight up bad writing. It means that the writer couldn't think of a good climax, so they decided to end with a "moral" that's not only hackey and unoriginal, but makes zero sense in context. Killing one person who hurt you in the worst way possible isn't a moral dilemma when you already murdered a city's worth of mooks who never did anything to you without blinking an eye (looking at you, TLOU2.)
@@mrscruffles801 shut up
I mean to be fair, Batman eating absolute shit in The Batman is genuinely fucking hilarious because it hits the Jackass part of my brain and convinces me that he has broken ribs throughout the whole rest of the film. It makes me respect him more in hindsight for pushing through it.
yeah it's actually a good bit of writing reinforcing him being inexperienced and/or just generally not an immortal genius. plus it comes so suddenly to utterly dismantle a tense escape scene into him gingerly limping away
The “eating shit” trope works best when a hero is in the developmental or early years of being a hero. It works best with the grounded and technological hero’s like Batman and Iron Man very well since many people see technology as a multi step process and taking many failures so people very much expect that. I think that’s the best way to do it is to either have the hero fully rely on their own tech or just starting off being a hero.
I liked that scene but I feel like they went too far with having him limp away. Like they already made him eat shit they didn’t need to make him look like a bitch too.
@@Punk-Mask thats the whole point of the scene
@@Punk-Mask I mean after almost getting sandwiched by the bus and bridge I’m sure anyone would feel like shit trying to get up and walk away from that.
People who defend this adaptation often say “X wouldn’t fit into the MCU, it would be too weird/it would conflict with y”
My answer is usually that the MCU is obsolete if it forces mediocrity in their individual projects
Yeah like whats the point in even doing the characted if they wont do it right?
That's how I felt about Taskmasters abilities in Black Widow, they decided that a really good memory was too much of a ridiculous superpower so had a USB stick stuck in her head. Was very dumb.
@@dustinakadustin another example of Marvel turning Juicy ridiculous stakes into marketable big macs
It’s a sad truth. The MCU works to cater to all audiences, even kids and if that means dialing down a character’s darker, more adult aspects to appeal that demographic, they will do it.
I mean not everyone hates it
I’m so glad you dived into Marks Jewish religion and how it plays such a pivotal role in his character. Making it such a small footnote was not only cowardly but hypocritical from Disney who claims to head diversity and representation in media.
But calling Disney hypocritical is like calling water wet
Disney is like any megacorporation. They'll go on and on about diversity but would never risk a penny for it. That's why ever since Captain Marvel we haven't had any female MCU leads that haven't been D+ originals or early releases.
@@-Teague- That couldn't be more obvious when you see how Disney absolutely kills "diversity" when it comes to the Chinese market.
Jews are over represented for being less than 3% of the US population
Ethnicity as well as religion and Oscar is even ethnically Jewish, but the West tends to view Jewishness as only a religion parallel to Christianity, hence not considered diverse. Hence, Disney had to give the character another supplemental (akshual) diversity point by being Latino. Coincidentally, the actor happened to be both.
Plus, focusing too much on the Jewish aspect might have upset any anti Zionists along the largely Arab fan base. The Egyptian director had already been slammed by viewers for daring to make a film about Arabs and Israelis.
Well, it’s a Muslim making the show, what did you guys expect?
Always love seeing a 30+ minute GodzillaMendoza video pop up in my feed. Was more curious about your take on the show than the show itself lol
Holy shit hey Rabbitholels love your videos
I had the exact same thought when I saw the show
CHARLIE YOU WATCH XAVIER TOO?????? OMG
Love seeing these little connections between some of my favorite UA-camrs
Same lmaoo
Ironically, the opposite happened to my favorite character. Hawkeye was changed from a fun, goofy-but-capable essential part of the Avengers to a boring, over-lookable hanger-on who had all his best comic traits stolen by other characters in the MCU.
Do not get me started on the BS with clint
Screw the mcu.
@@zemox2534what if… I did get you started?
@@zemox2534 yes please go on
I really liked MCU Clint
@@SA_586same, I thought MCU Hawkeye was pretty good
He was definitely afraid that Moon Knight would be "MCU-ified" and I knew it'd happen, especially when Steven with a V wasn't correctly portrayed...ouch
I mean Steven is more interesting in the show than the comics. But I do agree the show is mediocre.
@@damiantirado9616 no
@@mysterio8226 yes.
@@ProjektTaku wrong
@@mysterio8226 no he was right
I genuinely did like the show, but everything you said here stands true, and would've only served to improve it. Steven is cool as he is, but the decision to make him a complete goof and then magically competent at the end along with tying him to Mr. Knight was weird, the boiling down of Jake to just being the Evil Alter and being an essential plot point that ends up just being bait for future projects instead of fleshed out in this show is just a really annoying choice when looking at the series in a vacuum (as the creators themselves intended), the misuse or just lack of use of key characters felt weird, the absolute underplaying and undertilization of Marc's Jewish Heritage and belief (and especially his father seemingly not being a Rabbi in this version, considering the changes with his mother) was one of the biggest missed opportunities to tell a really profound story that I've seen in a Marvel project. Plus, Kevin didn't do the show any favours by just straight up lying about how violent the show would be; like it's just clear as day that this show is not as gruesome as he made it out to be. I really did like a lot about the show, and I'd even say it was good. But, it could've been *great* and all they would've had to do was make the show that Kevin initially described this to be, one that didn't pull back, and wasn't afraid to portray some very ambiguous and disturbing subject matter to its audience without watering any of it down for them. But really, I just hope the comics keep doing their own thing, because this current run is peak moon knight, and I would hate for it or any of the runs that follow it to have to become as safe or constrained as the show.
Shut up
I mean yeah I feel the same,I like the show as it is,but these are all fair criticisms,and I’d be lying if i said I’m an avid moon knight comic reader like Xavier here,hell prior to this show the only moon knight media I was exposed to was web of shadows,and in that game they pretty much just made him the stereotype of marvels Batman
@@HankingMySchrader well love him or hate him. Moon knight is always something different in anything hes in
@@kiefferindisguise5196 can’t really comment on that cause I genuinely had as much knowledge about moon knight prior to this show as el muerto
My thoughts exactly. I really liked the show but all the points brought up in the video are extremely valid. It really does seem like the MCU is afraid to get more mature and touch on certain subjects because it might scare away people that are used to the usual MCU tone and feel. We used to have the Netflix shows for that darker, more mature take on the MCU, but all of those were canceled and who knows if we’ll ever see that again in the MCU. Moon Knight really would have benefited if was taken a bit more seriously and really delve into topics it didn’t.
I actually thought the fifth episode was a little better than the rest of the episodes for its willingness to touch on the more "trippy" aspects of the character and his grip on reality-the influence of MK V8 was pretty evident and it was a little more risky than the other episodes.
Too bad they decided to throw it all out in the last episode.
imagine how badass an adult swim Moon knight animated series that was a 1 to 1 adaptation of the comics would be
Yeah but adult swim is a warner property, i dont think they couldve done that
@@chriswentz5197 unfortunately 😢
So just read the comics?
I recommend the newest run. 2021. If you look too close it's a batman story but it's still really good. Zodiac is basically the Joker and the end baddie is basically ras al ghul. It also has him teaming up with tigra and vampires, and let's not forget the GOAT 8 ball
@@jasonnoregretes4918 ball my beloved
The show feels like those fake comic panels edits of Moon Knight saying stupid things that he never said
Do you mean the "Random BS Go!!" or "Where's my money?"
@@ThePugDawg3 yep
Nope bc the MCU would never have a no censored f bomb lol
The whole show feels like it was designed for people who've only seen the comic panel edits about Dracula owing Marc money or Marc Steven and Jake all trolling Spiderman by rapidly switching,that's probably why this video is the only one I can find actually talking about how the character is so different because the general population already saw moonknight as "The goofy system that's like Deadpool but doesn't break the fourth wall"
@@aghitsaplane4262 That's because the people behind Moon Knight tv show were exactly how you described them.
The writer of the Moon Knight series "Jeremy Slater" has stated that he never really liked Moon Knight and always thought he was a Batman ripoff.
He also felt Moon Knight doesn't have any good villains, so he created "Arthur Harrow" as an MCU original villain.
Kevin Feige on the other hand, wanted to go even further with the "Let's make Moon Knight like Deadpool" thing and originally wanted to base the character on 2011 Bendis version of Moon Knight.
A goofy comic series where Moon Knight pretends to be Spider-man, Captain America, and Wolverine.
A comic series that sold poorly, that most Moon Knight fans hated, and was eventually retcon/forgotten.
.....It was also the first comic to introduce the concept of giving Moon Knight "Dissociative Identity Disorder", instead of Moon Knight just being an evil man who used to kill innocent people and now hides from his past with his new disguises and a superhero identity. Slowly going insane because of his guilt.
Bendis also gave Moon Knight D.I.D. back in a 2005 Ultimate Spider-man comic, but that wasn't canon.
In the end, Jeremy Slater was only interested in making this show for "Mental Health Representation" and while at it he openly admitted to trying to cram the Dracula Moon Knight meme into the script.
However Marvel wouldn't let him because Blade is going to be introducing Vampires.
Meaning we might get the meme referenced in the Midnite Sons movie or some shit.
"It'll happen to your favorite hero too"
Man I can't wait for Wolverine (either Logan or Laura) to pop up in the MCU and be nothing like the comic counter part, turning his aggressive sarcasm into safe Twitter Sass, and for whatever reason after popping his claws for a fight, he'll retract them before every punch because he doesn't want to actually hurt his enemies because of his backstory he can't remember, because you just KNOW when they bring someone like Logan in they'll bring back his amnesia and in turn, the comics will be like "Ah ha the life you thought you knew? That was a FAKE backstory, those memories weren't yours, idiot!"
It won't happen if you do something about it
Oh knock it off. Just wait it out and see if he works out.
@@dylansharp8471 And why would I assume they will do anything different when every hero they do is transformed into the same cookie cutter *sassy remark* formula?
I imagine his claws will be handled similarly to the Fox films (excluding Logan). And I remember reading a bit of the early Claremont run where Wolverine is forbidden to kill, so it's not exactly unfaithful to have Wolverine not go all out. But I wouldn't be surprised if you were right about the "Twitter Sass".
I'm glad my favorite heroes have a show truly worthy of them aka DOOM PATROL, the shining crown jewel of live action super hero entertainment.
My issue was that their wasn't enough Moon Knight in the show doing actual Moon Knight things but rather focus on ancient gods and stuff like that and I felt that's what really dragged it down from being fantastic
@@NuggetGX well yea don't get me wrong I loved the mystery as well, but even though I've already expected it to be toned down, I would've still loved to see more action scenes with Moon Knight actually fighting street thugs and such, but I do understand what you mean cause the mystery aspect is probably the biggest part of Moon Knight
@@NuggetGX less than daredevil or punisher?
@@NuggetGX Just the first two episodes of Steven figuring out about Marc Spector were interesting, everything else was generic. The fights weren’t great either.
Nah I loved that.
@@NuggetGX World ending threat done a thousand times, a secret council done a thousand times, Main character gets sent to the after life done a thousand times, big cgi battle at the end done is pretty much every marvel movie, Deus ex machina (Jake Lockley) done a thousand times, the trope that killing is bad so the main character spares the bad guy done a thousand times. The only interesting thing to come out of this show was the question “should people be punished for future mistakes?” which didn’t get enough focus and you don’t get to see the other side of the coin the writers just wrap it up by saying “gOod GUy rIGHt bAD gUY WRong”.
The way people were talking about this show made me feel like I was going insane, im glad someone else felt the way I did about this show. By the way, your first Moon Knight video got me into the character and now he's my favorite marvel character! So thanks for that
Same here, kinda! Only managed to finish Volume 1 because binge reading comics is a financial disaster I cannot afford (and really makes me wonder why I don’t just pirate it). It’s really cool to see where Moon Knight began and I find it kind of disappointing to see what the MCU show lacked in comparison.
I’m not one to actively look for echo chambers. I like to have my opinions challenged and whatnot but it’s always nice to stumble across a video with like minded people. It kinda makes me feel like I’m not just an insane and overly obsessive fan that should get a new hobby.
You’re not alone. I felt so incredibly gaslit. Honestly, though, I don’t really blame them. I feel like a lot of hardcore Moon Knight fans were just grateful to have anything at all, they made up justifications in their heads to say the show was good.
Same lmao
People were putting this show on the level of Daredevil and I just felt crazy because I couldn't see it. The show is mid af, nowhere near comparable to Daredevil S1 and S2.
@@valiantshadow89 If I can give some credit to the show, it’s that it had amazing actors, a positive example of mental illness, and the action was still pretty dope. It’s arguably the best out of the D+ shows, but that’s not much to write home about
@@KaijuofSteel but you think its comparable to DD S3?
When Khonshu left MK at the end, I was really hoping (though I knew we wouldn’t be so lucky) that it was setting up Marc to eventually pick up the suit again without Khonshu’s help, that way they could always bring Khonshu back and play with the idea of whether it’s all just in Marc’s head, PTSD from all the things Khonshu made him do when he was his avatar, or whether he was really back.
I had a similar theory back when we first saw harrow as the psychiatrist. I thought that maybe the events of the show up to that point had all been in Marc’s mind and he would somehow escape the ward and then become Moon Knight on his own, inspired by his own delusions and fantasy.
@@Wh1stle_03 Damn it all, both of these ideas are so fantastic. Why didn't Disney take advantage of those ideas when they easily set them up? Both would be a great way for Marc to don the Moon Knight costume without powers just like in the comics, and his mental sanity would always be unclear as to if it is all in his head or not. My mind was certainly blown at these two ideas, but sadly they probably won't be able to happen in the MCU.
But no, instead now they're in a fake world or something as Jake Lockley now has the wheel. Shows by Jake killing Harrow at the end showing him being the one in control.
Maybe if a second season happens, theyll have Mark and Stephen trying to go Spiderman route, where they try to go at being a superhero on their own without the help of Khonsu. Honestly, it might even be cool if they show up in the next Spiderman Movie, especially considering Moon Knight and Spiderman have connections in the comic.
The small snippets of Moon Knight from the comics seem way cooler than what we got from the show.
It’s because he is cooler. No question
Eh, Debatable
@@pontiffsulyvahn9182 its not up for debate Mr knight in comics is what mark in the show wishes he could be
@@pontiffsulyvahn9182 it’s not lol
@@pontiffsulyvahn9182 no
The way I described this show and phase 4 of Marvel is from a quote from Green Goblin “Strong enough to have it all. To weak to TAKE IT!!”
Honestly I'm kinda already going through this with She-Hulk, she's one of my favorite female superheroes and I could've honestly overlooked not as great CGI if the character's personality, themes, and writing stayed intact. Instead it seems like she's going to have to come into her own as an Avenger and that's just gonna be what her arc is, meanwhile a defining trait of her comics is that her Hulk form isn't something she's ashamed of or hides but is proud of, actually boosts her confidence, and is the state she's always in. Maybe they'll do her justice, but it is what it is and I'll try to just hold out hope for the series.
I still enjoy the Byrne run and believe if they try to insert a bit of that, they’ll screw it up real bad.
honestly I feel they would still go for that. Sure she goes in some mission with Hulk but she said she doesn't wanna be an avenger
and the scenes with the other girls, being a hero attorney, and the fact episodes would be shorter and probably more laid back
I at least think there's a chance they would go for that instead
We all know they won't
She-Hulk is such a funny character too, but I don't think Disney is bold enough to break the fourth wall, unless it's Deadpool.
@@uknownada according to some rumors ive seen she will
That's why she was looking at the camera in some shots
I just wish we got to see Jake Lockley's Moon knight suit during the final fight and have all the black outs payoff instead we got another black out and the fight was over.
It's Disney's fault for the lack of episode counts. Like seriously can you finish or make a story good with only 6 episodes!?!?
@@therangerindisguise5280 a fully serialised narrative? Probably not. A tv show where each episode was more self contained (with an overarching story brewing in the background)? Maybe.
@@EditedAF987
What now?
@@therangerindisguise5280 bro even when they gave Wandavision 9 episodes they completely fucked the whole thing up with that shitty ass finale
@@djghostface292 wandavision had way shorter runtimes
ItsJustSomeRandomGuy as Moon Knight in that little motion comic section was such a nice treat.
I knew he sounded like Death Battle Superman!
It's nice to hear his voice.
IT'S TO MAKE PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THE REAL VERSION
It feels so weird (in a good way) to see him collab with Xavier. Both newer videos I see now and older videos when I was a kid have come together!
I’m so tired of people saying “watch the new disney thing, it’s much better/different than the other stuff!”...because it never is. Cannot wait for the bubble to burst and we all turn our attention towards projects with a bit more passion, soul and actual effort put in.
"There's definitely not enough Egyptian superheroes." - Rather there's not enough non-American superheroes. And don't even get me started about Marvel's treatment of Polish characters...
Honestly I’d love to see a Polynesian superhero or something like that someday
The problem is that, marvels "diverse" superheroes are meaningless if they'rr all in ONLY america. like yeah he's french but he'll prolly only serve as a french man stereotype for the sake of being french. or a pakistani superhero or a polynesian superhero and so on and so forth. Ethnicity and race doesnt matter if we cant see them operate in their respective country
Disney doesn't understand that viariaty is not the reason why people project themselves on those heroes. It's the struggles that they have to overcome that makes them human.
Spiderman is one of the most popular characters because he is a broke teenager that always tries his best and always gets shunned and scoled for being lazy. His choice or rather responsibility of being Spiderman is actively destroying his life. He has various thoughts of just giving up but he clenches his teeth does what is right and trancends as a person.
Disney cannot hope to understand Stan Lee, Lucas or any other creators works that they now own. Disneys marvel and star wars will never be marvel or star wars. They will always be cheap immitations for corporate monetization.
Isn't Magneto a Polish Jew?
@@ZaLewdWarudo Only the Michael Fassbender version. Every other version he's German. And he's primarily a villain, sometimes an anti-hero.
As someone who has been a long time fan of the comics I enjoyed the Moon Knight series for what it was but was disappointed in what it could've been. We got a good Moon Knight series when we could've had a great one 🌌🌙🌌
☝️ Facts.
Yeah literally Me
Disagree. If this was the outcome I rather it not exist.
“Funny little penis man tripping on his balls”
Is the funniest fucking shit 😂😂😂🤣🤣 I’ve been cackling for 10 minutes.
Thank god someone made this. I am so tried of hearing the endless praise and whenever bringing up any criticism being shut down.
People praise the show because there is quite a bit of good in it, sometimes people just wanna enjoy what they get and no matter what there will always be criticism about these because they're not perfect, but at the same time, at least in my personal opinion, the goods out way the issues in Moon Knight, for the most part
@@melvinkookiecruise3888 There is a few problems with a show that someone looking to hate the show would find. For example, "This is a PG13 show", or something about this not being exactly like their favorite version of Moon Knight. A few problems, or disagreements with a show, or a few bads in a show doesn't mean the show is bad at all because there was way more goods in the show than the bads, and Moon Knight is the very definition of it.
@@melvinkookiecruise3888 goods outweigh the problems? Are you having a laugh? The show is mid ASF even if we were to disconnect it from Moon Knight. If we do connect it to MK then its also a terrible excuse for a MK adaptation
That's y'all opinion at the end of the day and much like my opinion on the show, it does not have to matter or be that serious smh
@@SpinoSam Bro if one of the few "bads" is like "This is a PG13 show, and I think it should've been the exact storyline of the Moon Knight comics", then yeah there is more goods than bads if thats someone's argument. The worst part in people's arguments is that when making a statement in an argument they will use the "I think" or something that sounds like their own problem that wouldn't really have anything to do with the show they're criticizing about. You can't have a personal opinion in an argument about a show because like "I just think the show shouldn't of been only PG13!", ok, and? That sounds like a you problem more than an actual issue that ruins the story they were making.
My biggest problem with Moon Knight, the show, is that I relate to Moon Knight on a level beyond most. I have DID myself, the whole "different minds in one brain" shebang. On top of that, I also have Bipolar Disorder and deal with a lot of personal trauma- so reading about Marc, Jake, and Steven left me genuinely like for once, I was understood in some level. It helped me to process and understand a lot of myself, and MK comics help me connect more with my father. On top of all this, I even relate heavily to that aspect of trauma shocking and distorting our feelings of faith. So when I watch the show and feel this impossibly sanitized version of the character, I just felt... Empty. Or angry. I read bad runs of the comic that left me annoyed, but I still could TASTE the passion. This show just felt utterly bankrupt on passion for the faith, for the mental side, for really caring about the character. It honestly hurts.
Watch Mr Robot if you haven't. It does a better job at representing DID with respect and the seriousness it deserves than this show ever managed.
Hello! I've only heard of DID related to Moon Knight and am pretty ignorant about it. I don't want to be offensive or anything, but would you mind if I asked you about it some?
@@-Teague- I'm willing to talk about my experiences but bear in mind its different for everyone with it, so YMMV and all that.
@@birdknight6616 I have some questions too and hope not to offend so tell me if I do, I also agree with your statement about moon knight, as a long time comic MK fan the MCU show sucks and they just ruined the character for money purposes, it’s always Quantity over Quality and the MCU stans just eat it up and call it “ART” it just annoys me how MCU Stans don’t watch anything there than the MCU like it’s the only form of content.1 .How does D.I.D work? Do you just switch Alters randomly or something? I have no idea. 2. Which movie/show or book is the most accurate? 3. How do you feel about the movie Split?
@@birdknight6616 ok, thanks a lot! I'm very curious person by nature so if I ask anything uncomfortable feel free to tell me you don't want to answer it and I'll understand. First of all, I'm curious about how exactly transitioning between personalities works. Does it happen often?
The final fight being cut still upsets me so much. They want us to believe that Moonknight just did A LOT of cool stuff without showing it and it left me wanting to see just how did things end up the way they did- Bro some stuff was on FIRE in the scene, and they refused to show it, this is evil, I hate megacorporations
Not showing you a fight scene is evil...😂😂😂 That's an overreaction.
@@dustinakadustin My Brother in Christ the main point of an entertainment medium is to entertain
i really hope when they inevitably meet Jake early on we have at least small flashbacks of the fights
@@avvthebizarre7978Even as someone who enjoyed this show, that shit being cut out was so stupid
Title should have been "Xavier goes through the acceptance stage of grief".
I remember the first trailer for Moon Knight had much more of a horror vibe that I was super on board with. It was like Steven was being haunted by Konchu. Then the show came out and there was a little bit of that in the first episode but it was mostly comedic and I couldn't help but be let down.
It's becoming apparent to me that the MCU is actually one of the worst things to happen to Marvel (creatively, obviously not financially.) So much of what made these characters and stories interesting was sacrificed to make them more accessible to wider audiences to the point where many of them aren't even characters anymore, just quippy meme generators portrayed be conventionally attractive actors with generic cgi effects and bland and grim color palettes.
You mean to say the world has gone to shit from already being shitty instead of being better?
There are a handful of really good ones…Iron Man, Guardians 1&2, the Cap trilogy, Infinity war…otherwise they’re usually very bland.
@@ollytherevenant1653 Even then, my main issue is that the bland Disnified versions almost always become the standard, with comic books and other media changing drastically to match the movie variant so the little 8 year-olds don't complain that it's not just like the film they watched. Cinematic adaptations have a huge impact on IPs and how the general public perceive them, cause they reach the largest markets and have the most financial investments.
@@mrscruffles801 Agreed
Strongly agreed, not to mention that the movies ended up killing three of Marvel's beat shows (Wolverine and the X-men, SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN and avengers EMH) to replace theme with literal garbage or nothing.
-Threw into the garbage one of their most popular franchises just because THEY DIDN'T HAD THE FKING MOVIE RIGHTS.
And lastly they ruined Marvel vs Capcom just for the sake of promoting the stupid movies
Almost my exact thoughts on the show, just the definition of "mid" on such a unique character. I like that halfway through you had almost the exact same thoughts as Browntable did about the lack of payoff in these shows
Shut up
Honestly this is the best DID acting ive ever seen, great show, too bad for those who only wanted tl see explosions
I absolutely loved the show, but I know precisely jack all about the original character, now I feel bad for loving it so much because of how much it dicked over the actual fans of the character
Or you could just not worry about other's disappointments on the series and just focus on the fact that you enjoyed it.
@@wp6192 that is kind of hard for some like me, now it just feels like we are ruining what was set to be amazing for the lowest kind of media, while yea it is mostly fault of disney and so on we were the target audiance and i myself can't help but feel like i've been played like a fiddle.
I will be reading the comics because of how interesting the concept itself is, but having enjoyed the show just feels like in the end i just fell for a trap and betrayed those who actually love the character, comics and stories for the simplefied version of it.
@@wp6192 kinda hard when you find out just how watered down the version you like is.
One thing I loved about Doctor Strange 2 is how it addresses the issue of MCU heroes being generally incompetent bafoons, in DS2 Strange never depowered, in fact he's maybe at the most powerful and creative that we've seen him, it's just that the villain so far outclasses his very impressive skills that he can't just solve every issue. I honestly hope that's how they keep using Strange since I think it's a really fun way to utilize a character like that
This is essentially how I felt when Bendis took over the Guardians and making them more like their movie counterparts. Its why I honestly didn't get back into Guardians comics till after 2018. So I feel you even though people love the movie versions of those characters.
As someone who liked this show, and watched it with their family I can definitely say there is a degree of...Simplification to the character, but also not unexpected of the MCU. I think people saying its fresh and original are correct in the way that the show doesn't really feel like typical Marvel or Disney plots, even if its a lil toothless. As an example I was in Disney Land back when the final episode was airing and rewatched all the previous episodes with my parents in the hotel. And our talks about mental health and multiple personality disorders was interesting, perhaps even more so than the way the show had illustrated them. Which maybe that's what people are taking away from the show is more concepts than strictly whats being put to screen? I know I liked it and I'm a huge moon knight fan of the comics.
Not to say I want this to be the end all be all for the character, because that's not true. I think the comparisons to Fist of Konshu at least make it clear to me that the MCU did the basic idea of mystisim super hero a lil better than those early runs. The unfortunate reality is I never expected Moon Knight to be like himself really, it just seemed like too complicated of a character to bring to screen without alienating people from the character and was MCUified. But I also don't think those concessions were a bad thing in this instance either. Comics, and by extension books as a whole just have a lot more room to say and do weird or unique concepts that most other media wont tackle. Having an easy to understand approximation of the character for people who want to get into the comics is kind of refreshing. My mom, who has never read comics just picked up Moon Knight From the Dead to read at work because shes interested to learn more about the character.
Granted I will also admit however that based on prior MCU track records Moon Knight might become a lil more toned down in modern comics as a result of this show. We can hope otherwise but, that's probably the truth. But I still personally think this is probably one of the better MCU TV shows, and projects as of late. Im sorta sick of super hero tv shows and movies as a whole outside of stuff coming from other countries, but I thoroughly enjoyed what this show had to offer just on the pure basis that it wasn't like other projects. For as watered down as Moon Knight was, I think the show still has merit in introducing people to the character and getting new fans into his books.
So you loved the show AND it took risks?
the show sucked.
Bringing Moon Knight as he is in the comics to the big (or small) screen is possible. Disney are just too chicken shit to do it. Netflix should have never lost the TV rights.
The writer/show runner straight up said he didn’t like Marc Spectre(you know, the main character) and he pitched it as “ghostbusters meets Indiana jones” which is the biggest slap in the face to moon knight fans ever
Where
@Memelord thx
It's even worse if you put Marc's Jewishness in mind.
God forbid a Jew be violent!
@@ChisomagaIhezieIt’s not the violence that’s the problem with him being Jewish, to Disney, the problem is anti-Semites
whoever did the voice acting for those panels you've shown was phenomenal
I feel like moonknight could’ve been a cool anthology series
may as well call it tales of suspense then (even tho iron man first showed up in it, it’d make more sense for a psychological-horror noir character like him)
I honestly did not know about moon knight before this show, but hearing you talk about it makes me really intrested in the comics because it actually sounds pretty cool. Also I just like street level superheroes more
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Spiderman was indeed backpedaled to be a street level superhero again, at least that's what the No Way Home ending implied. I hope they keep it that way, this version of Spiderman has so much potential facing lower scale threats. e
I bet the next time we see him is In secret wars.
I do love how you end up introducing me to comics because you keep advocating for them to be brought up in the public eye than die out. Especially with Venom’s redemption arc. You make me wanna read some comics!
God honestly imagine if we had a show from the old daredevil show runners and writers with moon knight in a grounded story where we see a man make so many identities on his war of vengeance with bushman as the villain with him then starting to fall into madness with his mission and has his aliases become split personalities and break him. You could tell such a crazy story
Coming from someone who had family members that were victims of the Holocaust, I can't even begin to describe how pissed off it makes me that Disney practically ignored the Jewish elements of mark's character.
The show left me very unsatisfied and wanting for more. If anyone has any recommendations for Moon Knight runs let me know. I’m trying to get to know the real Moon Knight.
I found every run to have its pros and cons, so I don’t have a “favorite”, but MK is definitely a character that deserves more eyes on the source material.
The Jeff Lemire run is a great start. The Warren Ellis run is short but fantastic and where we first get Mr. Knight, and the Peter Woods and Cullen Bunn runs that followed are also alright, worth a read. I haven't read the original Doug Moench run yet (mostly out of laziness) but I'd still give it a read since it's the og. The current Jed MacKay run is absolutely fantastic so far though you need to read Age of Khonshu to fully understand it (or a summary at least). And finally, there's a ongoing 4 part mini series called Black White and Red which is just a bunch of short stories using only black white and red. Also I've heard the Charlie Huston one is good too but I haven't read it yet.
Hope that helps!
The bottom of fynch
Of 2006
Is a good story that re plaid his origin
I remember being so hyped when he woke up in the mental home because I thought that all we had just previously was just a delusion and that mark was gonna break out of the mental home with Crawley and make his own Moonknight costume and become a vigilante and discover his other alter Jake and win the lottery or something idk but was disappointed when that giant hippo showed up and said they were dead
I think the main thing with Moon Knight is that they absolutely needed to test the waters with Season 1.
Season 2, I imagine, will be alot more comic accurate now that they've found their footing and people love the character.
38:12 “pretty soon it’ll happen to your favorite character… and you’ll have to get over it too.” As a Ms. Marvel fan… I am HORRIFIED rn 😭
The ending is really just the writer going "Then he did a backflip, snapped the bad guy's neck and saved the day!" from the Pitch Meeting series.
As much as the Moon Knight show missed the mark, after it ended I got the Legacy run, the Lemire run, and the first volume of the recent MacKay run. So it did something good, and I enjoyed the show either way
Those were the first 3 I read after watching the show too! Legacy is brutal but I really liked the character work in that one. the MacKay run is incredible and my favorite so far.
I think I liked the show so much was because I really don't know the character. I appreciate what was given to me because I don't know what wasn't. The show definitely could have been more thoughtful about the conflict, but I think it was good regardless.
Jeremy Slater himself said Jake being Evil alter would be least interesting and exciting part of the character and i think they would do like a loyal servant to Khonshu rather than a straight out psychopath.
They could make him a charming guy he was in comics but it's hard to build his relationships with Crawley in next instalments
Immediately can say I agree with you. Moonknight show wasnt bad but it really wasn't great like it could've been
There’s a good chance I’m wrong but I get a feeling Kevin Feige isn’t a fan of the comics these characters are from
I also personally think writers should try to make the comics like the mcu, it really gentrifies the universe and characters and strips out the fantastical elements that makes me love superhero comics
*shouldn't
Really doubt it's the writers themselves who push for MCU synergy, that's more certainly a editorial mandate
I feel like they took what made his character so special and interesting, and just removed it for the sake of making it "normal." Even the difference between something like the suit magically forming and him putting on the suit himself changes the character. DID is treated like a fun gimmick and not what it actually is aside from two scenes in episode 5. And they couldn't be bothered to represent the character being Jewish that much? Ultimately a very disappointing show that I knew would not work in the MCU given the standards. At least we have the comics for now, I'm gonna go read Declan Shalvey's run again for the millionth time.
It hurts so much that Jake Lockley is a Deus Ex Machina and not actually a distinct part of Marc's personality.
@@birdknight6616 They are definitely saving him up for season 2. Just relax, it's still a limited first season.
Shut up
@@therangerindisguise5280 See this is the WORST argument. If your defense of a pretty flawed first season is the hypothetical that another season will be better, that does not retroactively make the first season good. Did you know that the first cars invented lacked seatbelts? The existence of seatbelts in all vehicles now does not retroactively make those first cars safer. Jake being functionally a deus ex machina plot device to offscreen kill people and framed heavily as an ~evil alter~ by the subtext of this rather than the protector via any means- violence, charisma, "doing what needs to get done"- is equal parts bad writing and offensive, stereotypical writing. Even if the show as a whole resolves this issue for itself as a whole, this first season will still have that flaw- that flaw's context will just evolve.
@@birdknight6616 bro calm down, he just said they were saving him for next season, not all that shit you just pulled out your ass
Came back to this video after seeing Deadpool and Wolverine because it showed that R rated projects could work well in the MCU. Moon Knight has always been an interesting character to me ever since I first saw him randomly appear in the Ultimate Spider Man cartoon when I was a kid
That first voice over bit of marc and his alters saying "theyre sick but we still deserve a life worth living" really got me like i was reading the lemire run all over again sincerely thank u for this video man channels like urs help make me feel proud to be a comic fan
Those animated comic sections were amazing and represent exactly why I love Moon Knight.
I remember statements of an Inhumans movie being canned since the studio didn’t want to make a half-hearted adaptation.
I guess this is what they meant and I don’t blame them
that's completely false.
@@ProjektTaku Wait really…? You have a source for it being false.
@@misterzygarde6431 do you have a source for it being true?
With the eternals film under performing as it did, is Inhumans really the crap fest it was back in the day anymore? 😁
@@ajclements4627It is. By far the worst MCU project
I wanna believe they were just testing the waters as a starter for such a deep character, fingers crossed the 2nd season gets closer to Moon knight and his comics
Please, it's Disney. They always want the lowest common denominator when it comes to their projects. There can't be an controversial topics or else the couch potatoes and other folks might feel alienated or too disturbed and click off.
Man. It might seem mean but truthfully man don't do that yourself. You're setting yourself up for the future failure of this and going "man why did I ever choose to hold out hope. All that time spent invested just got wasted." And I'm not saying this to just dunk on you and dash ur hopes. I genuinely just don't think it's worth going through that and putting on this blinders to deny reality just for a dumb show. Expect the worst so you're never disappointed but will always be delightfully surprised. That's my personal view.
@@lastmanstanding7155 Exactly.
They really have the opportunity to do this, but they won't, I just know they won't
But...I really liked what we got, it has a different feel from the comics, yes, but I still find it really good
I just hope they scale down the show a bit, it can still be this big adventure thing, but with a more comic moon knight feeling so it gets deeper, darker and more believable, their depiction of Jake is a big opportunity to do this
I also think Steven was just a bit too exaggerated, to the point that sometimes it just isn't believable
What we have here is obviously above mediocre, it's really good, but it can be so much better
Someone isn't paying attention to the pattern...
Don’t think you will see this but because of you I decided to start reading Moon Knight comics and I just finished Mackay run and now on to the current book “vengeance of moon knight” and he’s become my favorite marvel character. Just wanted to say thank you! Your thoughts in this video are exactly how I felt after reading alot of his comics
Very good video. As someone whose best friend(s) has a form of DID/plurality, it made me happy that you used the proper terms.
I'm glad! I tried to be very meticulous about using the real terminology and describing it in a respectful manner because I know that community is larger than most people realize and normalizing these things helps them out
I enjoyed the moon knight series quite a bit, but I’m pretty curious to see what Xavier thinks about it .
Same like I really enjoyed the series but now that I’m listening to his opinion it kinda open my eyes.
@@justheretostay5057 Same, made me think of reading some comics to compare for myself
@@erictheviking6424 how do I read the comics?
Wanda: *breaks his neck like a twig*
@@combatant224 marvel unlimited subscription
Not only is this one of your greatest videos, but this is such an incredible summation of how I feel about marvel today. We are not the target demographic anymore. These compilations for silly people that go on for seven minutes plus are exactly what send me straight back to the comics to admire the version of moon night we have. He was such an obscure character, that literally nothing needed to be changed as far as bringing him into the MCU. those bad ass clips of him talking about being moon night and shit do more than the show ever could accomplish. as much as I respect your opinion and used to like the show, this definitely made me like the show less because my guy you are right
Silly people?
Knock it off dude.
@@dylansharp8471 You OK bro? When I referred to silly people I’m referring to the people in the compilations being portrayed as silly. But I also don’t mind calling the group of people who enjoy that silly too lmaooooo you’ll be OK i’m knocking nothing off
This show is the equivalent to making the Punisher a demon hunter, only difference is that casual fans liked this change here.
Oskar Isaacs really dies the heavy lifting for this tho.
Also at 5:54 the fact that these weapons were canonically made by the time traveling Avengers is so funny to me.
You handled this far more maturely than one would expect so I thank you for that. I know I would also be really pissed if they messed up my favs so good for you on looking on the bright side.
Oh my God thank you for addressing the street level problem! Every super hero movie for the past decade or so has been "OH my god the end of the world!" "ALIENS!!" "This time it's the END OF THE UNIVERSE!" The best spidey comics in my opinion are the low key street level ones. That's why I still like the lizard and why I think ASM messed up his character, and that's also why I liked the new Batman movie. Batman wasn't doing it "to save the world", it started with one street level crime and slowly became a city wide threat, but I'm glad it didn't expand past a city wide threat.
I think a lot of street level heroes are better for the small screen per Defenders and Punisher. Gives them more time to flesh out the word and characters, plus they don’t have the same “grandness” even as someone like Batman. Just comparing the Daredevil television show and the Ben Affleck movie (granted they were numerous problems with it) where it feels rushed. Actually, one of the reasons why Daredevil was sent to TV was because Marvel Studios wasn’t interested in making an r-rated, smaller budget movie as Drew Goddard stated and I believed it work in favor of the character. I actually think thats why Marvel Studious has had a lot issues with their shows because they’re use to making big blockbusters rather than telling serialized, smaller stories for so long.
the comic dubs in the video are really making me want to read a moon knight book, thanks
You should there really good 😃
Dayum those motion comics are so frickin good, especially that section from the Jed mckay book. A really good run so far
I do have to give them credit though for how well they handled DID systems. It was actually quite accurate, rushed but accurate.
this is why shows like The Boys and Invincible are important AF...we need something to push against the MCU and balance things
I really wish that moon knight was part of the golden era of Netflix with daredevil and punisher
Lol Punisher
@@randomgamer625 Yeah Punisher’s show is overrated as hell
@@UNKNOWN-qr7uo Godzilla Mendoza made a video on it
I’m glad that March gave us a artistic and loving adaptation based on a gritty, street-crime focused comic superhero where the main character has some personal mental baggage and is able to use their chest logo as a tool/weapon… and it was called The Batman lol.
Also your story of you and your dad’s roommate talking about what you thought about the newest moon knight episode was LITERALLY ME with my coworker every week.
I feel like Moon Knight is open enough where Jake and Steven can be explained/fixed. I think Marc is really accurate (we just need more of him and his past). I'm hoping S2/movie fixes him and makes him more street level now that the big danger has been killed
They still have chances of making him a street leveler and it all depends on whether that whole Egyptian thing could be surreal or real.
Cuz if they're not trying to make him a street leveler, they could abandon his non powered villains like Black Spectre, Stainled glass scarlet.
Fun Fact: the person who plays Moon Knight in all the motion comics played Superman in both Goku vs Superman Death Battles. Really cool tidbit I thought was worth sharing.
And plays a lotttt of people on his own channel, tbh IJSRG is a really sharp va
Man I would have LOVED if they did a Moon Night show back when they were doing the Netflix shows
Love that you got Itsjustsomerandomguy for the Moon Knight dubs. I could watch a series of him doing that.
Actually the turning back time bit and blocking the sun was more of Khonshu's doing, not Moon Knight's, granted he was helping with the time rewind moment but I thought that was more of a boost to get it done faster.
Wow. Your last few sentences made me tear up a little. I do wish Marvel/Disney+ had more respect for the comic book fans. I do think it is obvious that it is not the comic fans they are trying to appeal to, but the masses. They could appeal to both better, but they have an agenda that gets in the way.
I have only recently started reading comics, I did enjoy the tv series, but definitely see where the show was "safe" rather than true to the actual character. I would actually get mad when I would read so many people loving Steven but hating on Marc for no real reason.
i wouldn't blame the show to much, because the pacing issues and limitations were due to the fact that show was 6 EPISODES. marvel needs to increase the amount of episodes for their limited series so they can have more time to build story.
Yeah, I feel like Disney wants their disney+ marvel shows to all be the same and formulaic with 6 episodes. Wandavision had 9 so it had time to take things slow in the beginning. Moon Knight needed to take thing slow in the beginning to set up all the mystery, but it had to cut a lot of things short and make sacrifices plot wise to be at least somewhat consistent.
Great vid! That's the thing about Marvel content,even before Disney. They trend away from the darker stories,while DC's Superman is asking existential questions about death. I love me some Marvel,but I'll always favor treating the myth seriously. If I must pick an overall brand tone,I'd rather imbue the material with gravitas.
Part of the reason burds of rpey has been my favorite superhero movie in the last 5 years is because of how it fills the street level hole weve been missing. Its also just a lot of fun
Big props to RandomGuy for appearing in this. I smiled broadly when I heard his voice!
Now Doom Patrol, that is one hell of show. Does the work of Grant Morrison proud.
Rest In Peace comic Moon Knight. You will be missed.
The comics still exist. He’s still a character in the comics
The Hood is my favorite character from comics ever since his first solo issue, I know he has been kinda made into a lame stock villain his latest appearances in the comics but I am terrified of what Iron Heart Might do to him
*ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE ME LOVE ALL THE MOON KNIGHT/MR. KNIGHT SINCE HIS 1° RUN WAS THE FACT THAT BEFORE 2020 HIS POWERS WERE ALWAYS SO "AMBIGOUS", NOT KNOWING SPECIFICALLY WHAT HTEY WERE BUT THEY NEVER WERE USED AS A DEUS EX MACHINA OR A PLOT CONTRIVANCE, & ALSO THAT'S WHY HE ALWAYS RELY ON PRETTY CREATIVE GADGETS LIKE HIS MOON-JET, HIS BILLYCLUB, HIS CHAINS, HIS GRAPPLINGS ETC.*
_PD. BTW, ETHAN HAWKE'S CHARACTER(I STILL CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME) IS ALDRICH KILLIAN'S LEVELS OF AWFUL ANTAGONIST_
@Memelord AGREE
*I LOVE THE MOON KNIGHT COMICS & HATED WITH ALL MY SOUL THE DISNEY+ FANFIC*
Oh wow my favourite Spider-Man channel posted today
I honestly feel like Moon Knight shouldve been a grounded street superhero like Daredevil. Maybe Disney+ producers just couldnt afford a competent writing like Daredevil.
I wouldn't call the writing "incompetent," but just not suited to the character. It'd probably work a lot better for someone else. Moon Knight would definitely be closer to Daredevil, but probably a touch darker and weirder. I'd especially love a deeper exploration of his trauma and how he struggles with his Jewish faith versus his newfound faith in Khonshu. More of a psychological and introspective story that surrounds the action and horror stuff.
i was speechless about this show. not that it wasn’t bad but the fact that Kevin Feige can’t take a fucking risk just pisses me off.
Edit: What I mean is I was expecting this show to be the new Daredevil and there isn’t any excuses for it not to be and the fact that Steven Grant wasn’t the rich persona that would’ve been interesting just shatters me caring about that persona and it was really rushed too and they also kept cutting fights out which was fine but that last minute fight with Harrow and the goons and they cut it of course, that just was not my cup of tea. They should’ve shown Jake that moment at that time and they didn’t and at that point I just gave up on caring about it.
Couldn't agree more.
A kid traumatized by an abusing mom wasn't a risk? What do you people want?! Is guts flying around your only definition of "risks"?
@@TomiOAT i mean the mcu had that reveal in the third act of gotg vol 2 when ego gave Peter's mother brain cancer so he wouldn't be tempted to go back to earth to see her just so he could accomplish his goal in ruling the universe. I dunno how the mother abusing steve is the most real thing the mcu has done so far and in the past.
@@TomiOAT I really don't care about it being more violent & I do like the "abusive parent" thing despite it being generic imo. I just wished they adapted his religion they way it was in the comics, cuz that's a real risk. The DID part & the MK origin scene was very good tho.
@@NuggetGX Dude who's hating? I'm certainly not. I really liked the show at at the end of the day but considering how powerful MK's characterization is, I just wished they took the risk of adapting the complete source material. You're being ignorant that this show has many flaws & think the criticism is hate.
Only like a minute in, but your tone of voice tells me all I need to know.
I'm sorry for you bro😔
Mendoza you should make a moon knight beginners guide like you did for Deadpool. Ive read a decent amount of the more recent MK runs but am sometimes confused on where to start with the earlier stuff
I think I can see where you're coming from, I can't agree with most of your points here in general but I understand why you feel this way.
*100 Agree!* Though I enjoyed the show, it definitely played things safe. HOWEVER, I believe hope shouldn't be lost. I think the show did well in introducing the basics, and I think these ideas can definitely develop in a second season to transform the character into the Moon Knight we know and love. I actually have a pitch for it: In short, lean more into the psychology of the character, like in the asylum episode, and have the three alters come together to confront their relationship with Khonshu, rejecting him like in that AWESOME sequence from the comics shown in your video. Then, without Khonshu, they can become make a homemade suit and become more of a street-level hero, realising they are Moon Knight with or without Khonshu. So, overall, let's hope that S2 takes what worked in S1 and doubles down on those moments. But that's just my opinion 😁
I want them to continue with the ambiguity from Marc and his alters' perspective and carefully introduce Frenchie.
Well season 2 could hang out with Harrow.
What i want them to make for season 2 is
1. Carefully execute the story and ambiguous elements.
2. Character development to Villains cuz I'm really disappointed with Harrow lack of character development as the show gone introspective like other Marvel shows but this one effected the villain, they combined him with Morning star, Sun King and Dr.Emmet and his motivation is only the similar thing from comics.
To me it felt like Marc was neutered into John MoonKnight and Jake lockley was turned into Marc Spector
I wanna say I really enjoy the voiced comic segments. I think it adds so much to the feel of the video and takes it to a higher level than a regular review. I don’t know what else to say but wow