Recently I was not a Christian. I initially stumbled across your videos while looking up reviews on the McPherson Sable guitar, which I did end up purchasing. However, I suddenly found my UA-cam algorithm filled with more of your videos, which I watched intently because the pair you are so well spoken and likable. As time went on my focus of learning more rock songs changed to learning worship songs, and again stumbling across your worship song tutorials. Then videos of wanting to know more about Christ. Within the matter of 2 months I went from questioning if God is real, to wanting to learn more about Him and ultimately becoming a believer. Hats off to you two gentlemen. What a blessing you’ve been to me. God is most definitely using you to reach people.
My wife and i began to tithe about 20 years ago. It was definitely a step out on faith at that time. Today we are not rich by any means, we do own a home, we have 2 vehicles paid off. I own my own small business and my wife hasn't had to work in many years. I feel I am blessed beyond all that i need. Sure i would like a larger home, a new truck, etc... but i dont need it and i am blessed not to have the financial burdens of carrying them. GOD IS GOOD and He is faithful!
YES to this conversation! Giving and tithing is so important and I’ve seen God’s faithfulness and provision because of tithing and giving! Even if i didn’t have much!
My thoughts before watching: The “tithe” is a Biblical principle that pre-dates the Law and exists for the benefit of the believer (much like the Sabbath), teaching us to live on less so that we prioritize generous living. The case can certainly be made that we aren’t obligated to the tithe as New Testament Christians, but the expectation we do have as followers of Christ is that of sacrificial generosity (which arguably can/should dwarf the obligatory tithe). The tithe is the training wheels of generosity.
We lose that focus of both tithing and Sabbath so often. They’re designed to remind us of the Lord being our shepherd and giving us all we need. Letting income go is such an opposite view to the dominant culture, even the dominant Christian culture, but the pursuit of wealth is often mentioned as a major distraction to serving God, so removing it is often the “safest” way to be a faithful follower of Jesus.
I'm like 8 minutes into this video and I already love this so much! I am a volunteer Worship and Tech Ministry Director and have been watching your videos mostly for tech tips and entertainment purposes, but hearing you guys humbly talk about God's word and using the truths in it as the basis for your life and your logic gives me so much more respect for you guys! Speaking out against prosperity gospel and talking about songs being biblically based is not a popular thing in modern worship. Keep it up guys! Way to store up your treasures in heaven!
I am southern baptist, my dad is a retired southern baptist pastor. I tithe, I play weekly and do not get paid. My 14 year old son who is a drummer does get paid, he tithes. Our church is very responsible and gives a lot to missions. Tithing is part of being in Christ. WT I continue to be very happy watching your content and how grounded y'all are in the Word. Thank you.
That's where I am, too. I give regularly, though it's not 10% of my income. But then I volunteer to lead without getting paid, put in a ton of time and energy, and I buy a lot of equipment for the church (not just new shiny guitars, but spare XLR cables, converter boxes, plenty of not-sexy things). I also don't know where that ends up as an exact amount, but I'm good with where my heart is regarding those offerings.
The main worship leader at my first church was the same - buying all the tech for our small church site. Logistically it’s easier, especially in smaller contexts to give into the ministry in this way. I am aware that a collective pot can then be distributed but if you’re seeing and meeting an area of need I feel this falls within our giving.
I'm part of our worshipteam at my church. I play guitar, an play ( usually) 4 services a week. Wes,Saturday, and 2 on Sunday s. I'm practicing the set lists ,at least 3 to 4 hrs after I get off work. Making sure I have the tones down,my parts as well. Almost all my down time goes to the church. I don't get paid,but do believe that is my tith. Now if I wasn't playing, then yes I would be tithing. And wouldn't have no problem with it. I give freely..
You can believe that's your tithe, but playing guitar and what it takes to do it isn't a tithe. They're two entirely different things with entirely different purposes. Tithing is a form of worship because it shows God you trust Him-not money-to provide (Matthew 6:24 ). Serving (like volunteering at your church or helping out in your community) is also worship because you’re dedicating your time and talents to bless others, as God has called us to do (Matthew 25:40). So, yes, God wants you to serve by giving your time. But He also wants you to put your faith in Him instead of money by tithing.
WOW, these guys just lost me man. I'm choosing to dedicate my time to practice and serve. I could easily use that time to start a second job or side hustle, but I'm choosing to worship with my time and talent. The sunday's I play I don't tithe, when I don't play then I tithe.
@@miguelmarquez9435my friend, I hear you. And serving your church is great! Please watch this again with an open heart. Not in a way that says 'I'm going to see if these guys are right' but in a way that says 'I'm going to see what God might want to teach me thru this'. We have ZERO to gain from you tithing to your church. We aren't saying this to get anything out of it at ALL. We are trying to call musicians to a higher standard. So please, watch again and listen with a heart that says you want to learn. At the end of the day what the Holy Spirit puts on your heart is not our business and not directed by us. But we are here to share what we have learned and seen God do in our lives by being obedient.
YES. We’re asked to give “first fruits,” so 10% before other stuff. Definitely not easy when you see the actual number that you’re giving away, but trust in the Lord is paramount. He provides what we NEED, not what we often WANT. Love your “Brian’s name” comment. So true. Appreciate this kind of content!
I wish I could have been a part of this conversation. Thanks for sharing. Can I call in next time? BTW, cool guitars! I'll try to summarize a few thoughts from some of the presented topics. 1. There is no biblical precedent for how tithing is practiced today. At no point in the Bible was a tithe collected from a monetary wage although it's evident money was widely traded and wages were earned during those times (Haggai 1:6). 2. To understand Malachi 3 one has to read the whole book of Malachi. In Malachi 1:1 the narrative is towards the "children of Israel" and the narrative is narrowed towards the Levitical Priests in Malachi 1:6 and 2:1. There's no clear change in the direction of the narrative through Malachi 3 so the tithe indictment cannot be universally applied wither historically or currently. In chapter 2 the Priests are chastised for bringing foul offerings for sacrifices. It makes sense they are also being chastised in Chapter 3 for not bringing the WHOLE of the tithe items, not just select parts of it, to the Temple storehouse. Also, we see the reference to FOOD in my house - not money, consumable items. The ordinances under Mosaic Law that facilitated systematic tithing are now obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) 3. Abraham (Abram at the time) submitted a one-time honorarium to Melchizedek in exchange for wine & bread. There's no biblical evidence this transaction was required by God, that it established any precedent, or that Abraham ever "tithed" again. There is historical evidence that his submission was in alignment with the pagan custom of the time. 4. There's no biblical evidence that Jacob ever tithed. He made a conditional promise to do so if God provided for him as he had envisioned. If he were obligated to tithe, he would have no latitude to make his promise conditional. It's interesting how his lineage carried out his promise to tithe under Mosaic Law. 5. Only consumable items from within Israel were accepted as a systematic tithe deliverable under Mosaic Law. There was the "tithe of the land" and the "tithe of the herd" (Leviticus 27:30-32). No mention of tithing from earned wages or tithing money with the possible exception of the land tithe redemption, and there was a penalty assessed for doing so. 6. Jesus referenced tithing in Matthew 23:23 when he chastised the Pharisees for their pious attitude while they carried out the least of the ceremonial tithing ordinance in place at that time, while neglecting more important moral matters. Notice again the reference "mint, dill, and cumin", not money in that passage. 7. Yes, gifts are different than biblical, systematic tithes, which were required. As such, tithing isn't a form of giving. That which is compulsory is a payment, like a tax, which essentially was the function of tithing under Mosaic Law - to support the Levitical theocracy, the poor, and for consuming and sharing at the festivals. Summary: There's nothing wrong with practicing tithing as a discretionary way to give systematically. Yes, we should support our local church, other ministries, charities etc. Where we get into trouble is when today's version of tithing from earned wages to a religious institution is taught as a universal, continuous, biblical mandate. This victimizes the less fortunate to be bound to pay money they can't afford in the hopes they won't "be cursed" or otherwise "not blessed". Today's version of tithing can't be seen as an act of biblical obedience since it has no biblical precedent. We're free to give, not bound to pay. Blessings.
It is so refreshing to see a scriptural answer based on the Bible. Very accurate and well presented. I don't care about people's experiences. They can be easily misinterpreted as doctrine. There is a blessing in sowing seed. But it is the seed that produces not what you call it.
Some real life choices (if anyone can help): to tithe or 1) use those funds for much needed medical care for loved ones; 2) pay back my student loans which is causing much personal despair; 3) provide a better life for my family such as nicer (new) clothes and healthier meals. also, we happen to go to a church where a good portion of the tithes and church finances are allocated to the pastor's children's education at pricey private colleges rather than advancing the ministry. kind of unsettling...do we just turn a blind eye to where those tithes go?
@@kenichi407 We're free to give according to our own convictions and capabilities. No one is biblically bound to continually pay money to a religious institution.
@@kenichi407 It's wise for us to seek the truth for ourselves in the Bible when it's read in context. Then we will see differences to what the Bible actually says and how it's frequently presented today.
You guys mentioned something along the lines of “this is not what people come to our channel for”, but personally I really enjoyed this video a lot! I would love to see more theological discussion content. Tithing is something I’ve always struggled with, not because I ever believed it wasn’t necessary, but more as a reflection of my own struggle to trust God with my finances. I really appreciate this truth and encouragement, keep it up fellas
Thank u guys for being a big example to me and sharing this..not too many people talk about this topic and I'm very happy u guys did..yes times are tuff but God does honor his servants who honor him..Thank You brothers and it'll be nice if u guys bring out other topics like this to encourage us...Thanks again and God bless you brothers 🙏🙂
I believe there is a blessing for those who tithe (not necessarily always financial). Most pastors I have worked for are afraid of appearing greedy or manipulative, and their action shows they value their reputation more highly than their congregation being blessed.
I know that tithing is a hotly debated topic in the church today. While I will not debate for or against tithing on this video, one of the areas God has blessed me in is the area of giving. A decade ago I was a long term unemployed person living in my mom’s basement. I made the decision to give to God after He prompted me to. Within a few months, I found a full time job and was back on my feet. I can tell you many times over the last decade how God has blessed me and my now wife because we obeyed the moving of God in that area.
Did not expect to hear a Village, OK shout out! My wife and I's first house was in the village. Also super small but we loved it. Great memories there. Regarding tithing: My personal mindset is 1. the money isn't mine to begin with. Though I worked for it, the job I have and the ability to work is a blessing. 2. More money just isn't going to make my life any happier. I have what I need and my family is taken care of and that's more than enough. I tithe out of gratitude and from a place of not wanting money to have a hold on my mind/heart. Would it be nice to update the same gear I've been using forever? Yeah! But I'd rather just live in gratitude that I even have gear to use for worship and continue giving to my local church and seeing people come to know Christ. This is a tough topic but man I appreciate you guys being willing to talk about it and provide a space for dialogue.
Before watching, my take on tithing from experience is that Gods word says that you will be blessed if you give. Some people say that they can’t afford to tithe, but I say that I can’t afford NOT to tithe. The blessings from giving and being obedient far outweigh the small amount of money you sacrifice for the Lord.
That being said, you don’t give just to receive. You give because everything you have is a gift from God in the first place. Giving is a form of worship and giving back to God what is already his in the first place.
You have to remember that a tith in the bible wasn't money. It was what they had. Live stock,food, and yes ,their time... Yet , it's money now. Which isn't biblical. But I have no problem tithing money when I'm not playing... love your channels brother s.. and thanks for the insight. . God bless
@bmitchellmusic hey brother, I do realize that ,yes,we don't have hundreds of cattle. Lol. And your right. But we read in Nehemiah 13:10 The Levites had to leave the church, because they weren't getting paid( daily Portions of food.) So they had to go back to work, so that they could Provide for their families as well as their selfs.when Nehemiah found out about this,because he saw that the church has been neglected. So brought them all back,and paid them. After that, the people of Judah came back to the church and began to tith again. Not only do we see that the church should be paying their worship team, and that the tith doesn't pertains to levites., but was the church attendees. Now I do understand if a church can't afford to pay their worship team. But should honor that as their tith. If your ask your worship team to participate in tithing. That's like saying : you have to pay to play. Which isn't right at all. Because it should be the other way around. But I do it unto the lord. And he knows my heart. I put in 15hrs at the church 16hrs of practice time for the church a week. Not on payroll, and bearly get by financially. But because I do all for God glory, the lord has blessed me with a God loven/ fearing family, house,food,vehicle ect.. And you just said it, wealth was tied to what they had in the pass. I don't have much to give ,but my time and talent. And is considered an offering unto the lord. And he has except it. Once again, if I was wealthy ,I would have no problem tithing with money. But like a lot of musicians out their or working class people that serve and hold full time jobs. We guve what we can. And with what we have.. and we give freely. I have to be constantly focused on the lord. I'm working 55hrs ( with my job) and another 30+hrs for the church. The Lord is the only way I can do this. Once I lose my focus on him ,I see myself starting to complain, and get tired an angry. And no longer what to play. If the lord calls me to tith,and put in more then I have already have given,I will be obedient,and do so. Knowingly that God will provide. Godbless brother.
me and my wife have proven this in our 19 years of marriage - and will turn 20 this year (blessed with 4 healthy kids), blessing in tithing is real...that's all. we are not that rich but we get our daily bread in so many ways...i thank GOD for that!
My wife and I tithe, and have since we were married almost 18 years ago. Money has been tight and we've had excess. But we've always been blessed and never did without. Today, when I look around and try to figure out how I ended up where I am, it can only be God's blessings. He honors obedience.
Absolutely tithe your time, talent, and treasure. God doesn't need our money. He can do more with 10% then we can do with the other 90%. Its a heart issue.
Well done guys. I believe scripture is clear about tithing. I would add that the Lord loves a cheerful giver. If you tithe, but doing it with a spirit well I have too…. It all came from the Lord and it is only right that we give back to Him for Him to use as He wishes. I can honestly say there were months we didn’t know how we were going to pay our bills, and mathematically it didn’t work, but somehow we paid them. We are committed to tithing and we are committed to cheerfully give it to the Lord for Him to use as He pleases, because it’s his anyway.
Good discussion! I agree with your criticism of the health and wealth movement. However y'all play and promote music by churches such as Bethel that teach not only health and wealth but various other heretical doctrines. How do y'all feel about that? That might be a good topic for a future video.
Hard to find a worship song not written by a sinner. Wheat from the chaff in most cases. We don't always do a song if we really dont agree with that content.
@@bmitchellmusic I'd take it one step further and say there is no song that isn't written by a sinner. However, I'd say it's not so much about who wrote the song or whether or not the message of the song is good, it's about the movement behind it. Churches like Bethel get most of their revenue and influence through their music, even though the music itself might be innocent.
It is a humidifier. But if it’s any consolation, when we were capturing the Mesa Boogie Lone Star, there were several points where smoke was coming out the amp 👍🏻. Turned out it was an easy fix, but it felt like rock and roll!
I have yet to find a church that manages their finances well so I have a hard time with this. I'd much rather donate the money to organizations that are doing what churches should be than to see that money mismanaged.
@@worshiptutorials I did not get all the way through the video before initially commenting. Seems like Bradford's stance consistently leads back to "why are we arguing against funding the church" and I would have to say horrible mismanagement of money and skewed priorities are painfully obvious reasons why to argue against it. This is nothing new either. I've visited centuries old churches in Europe that have stashed away insane amounts of wealth while that money would have been much better served by helping people at any point in time. I tithed 1/10th the full time I was playing guitar on stage which I agree is important as a leader. Now that I've stepped away from the church I do feel that money donated to well vetted charities does much more for actual people. By the way, I totally respect you guys for having this conversation online of all places. It was a very interesting conversation to listen to even though it brings out the pitchforks.
@@FabuBrik that is absolutely a fair point. I do mention that if funds are being used improperly that of course changes things. No church is perfect, but there are definitely churches that do this well and in that regard I still maintain that the church should be funded to carry out the mission it is called to do.
@@bmitchellmusic Definitely agree and important to remember that churches are being managed by humans. Most of the time in high stressful positions at that. Thanks for the thought provoking conversation.
They are out there. Our church is 100 years old and debt free with a large reserve all the while being one of the most giving churches i have ever been a member of. Both to missions and needing individuals.🎉
When Abraham paid a tithe to Melchizedek, it was, believed to be by some scholars, a war tax from spoils of a battle just fought. In Jasher (a book mentioned in the OT), Melchizedekwas Shem. He was at the time the rightful ruler of the earth. But there were usurpers (Nimrod, etc) which refused to recognize it. Later, the Israelites were given the Divine Law under Moses. The tithe was a tenth tax that went to support the nation’s government and infrastructure. God recognized man’s ownership of his own labor (what man earned from his own labor was his). God required the tithe for His labor. So if a man harvested trees, he would pay a tithe on the trees (God’s labor). Then if he built furniture with the wood he would not be taxed again. That was man’s labor. We are in a Babylon type captivity at present. We are taxed and there is a system in place for helping the poor, etc. If you wish to give to 501c3 non-profits, which are in reality “para-church ministries” , then that is Spirit-led giving.
My personal conviction is 10% of my income goes to my local church as leadership sees fit. Anything else after that is "general giving", whether it be to individuals (missionaries, personal encounters with people in need) or organizations (charities or churches). I don't view taxed income as my own (because it's the government's) -- thus I don't use it for my tithe calculation (vs. "general giving"). However, for our family that is a mere accounting nuance because the total going out is way more than gross income anyway. I find that lots of giving (at least with people I personally know, including myself) is hampered by, as Dave Ramsey would say, "using money we don't have (debt), to buy things we don't need (lifestyle), to impress people we don't even know (vanity)". It's fine to enjoy nice things, but I think we make the line with giving vs. saving vs. enjoyment complicated so we can hide our sinful affections. Finances with a clear purpose, held with an open hand, done in seeking to grow in generosity is the trend that I think sets apart those who are in Christ vs. those who only want to appear like they are in Christ. Generosity may have no universal income percentage or path in life that we all follow identically, but it does share a universal spirit (Christ's) and purpose (intentional worship). Hebrews 12:3-4 always helps me as a struggle with my own obedience, even in my finances: "Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. 4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood." None of this is easy, but that's why we rely on biblical community to "...exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin." (Hebrews 3:13). Great discussion guys, thanks for posting! And even though I almost never comment -- I love the normal gear/music/worship content too! Keep it up!
I am from India and I see a lot of work being done for christ here by so many pastors who dont even have their own churches, they are not aware where will the food come from tomorrow or if their children be able to keep going school or they will be thrown awayby school next month for non-payment of the fees. There is so much persecution for them but still they keep continuing doing Gods great work of preaching to masses who are not aware of him. Seeing their struggle it becomes the responsibility of others who are given a regular source of income to support them and help them continue their livelihood while they focus on God. I understand most of your viewers dont have to face persecution wherein they could be hit or even killed by an angry mob just for taking jesus’name, but for us giving tithe is a blessing !
with all that being said, any pastor would re-affirm God doesn't love tithers any more than non-tithers, and that God isn't short of cash. Christian's don't get any "brownie points" over others when they tithe. Of course, it's very generous and helpful for the local church.
The tithing principle predates the the Levitical Law in the example of Abraham giving a tenth to Melchizedek. Tithing is a challenge by the Lord, he challenges our faith with trusting Him with money. He presents us with a choice. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord
Any thoughts on if it’s meant to be specifically for church ministries or should the giving we do to missions or other things count toward that 10% we are called to?
Some real life choices: to tithe or 1) use those funds for much needed medical care for loved ones; 2) pay back my student loans which is causing much despair; 3) provide a better life for my family such as nicer clothes and healthier meals. also, we happen to go to a church where tithes and church finances are allocated to the pastor's children's education at pricey private colleges rather than advancing the ministry. kind of unsettling...do we just turn a blind eye to where those tithes go?
On the topic of tithing before or after taxes: Tithe FIRST. First fruits. The only caveat is if the money is withheld from your check before you receive it. I can see this as reasonable since you never had the money. I try to tithe before I even buy anything because tithe is FIRST.
Our church practices grace giving. Give something, but don't be constrained to a set number. Give what you can. If you can't give financially, then give your time.
Yes. For me it starts with the personal conviction that NOTHING belongs to me but EVERYTHING belongs to God. If you get ok with this, giving a tithe is really the least we can do. Sure the church needs to be funded but it is funded because people/individuals are convicted to God is Lord of all and want to honor Him as such.
2 Samuel 24:24 KJV And the king said unto Araunah, Nay; but I will surely buy it of thee at a price: neither will I offer burnt offerings unto the LORD my God of that which doth cost me nothing. So David bought the threshingfloor and the oxen for fifty shekels of silver.
I do believe in tithing but I don’t believe it’s a must do type of thing however if you love the church you are in then why wouldn’t you want to support it. What has really put me off in previous churches I’ve been to is when the pastor rocks up in a Porsche and I’m struggling to rub two pennies together but that judgment is for God, not for me however it still stings! I like the verse PROVERBS 11:25 “A generous person will prosper; whoever refreshes others will be refreshed.”
I always tell people when they have question on this topic by saying "Well it's not really Biblical to say this, but I bet you would agree with me. If you are not comfortable financially supporting the church you are attending, that church is not worth attending. You need to find a church that's worth your financial support." And Starbucks, let's choose other coffee places that don't support PP. But wait, Amazon does that, too. Am I being a hypocrite? Oh boy lol!
It's not a matter of if it's a law or not. The tithe predates the law and wasn't done as a matter of legal duty, it was done in faith, in reverence and love for God. Tithing and giving in general is a matter of the heart. The first murder was over an offering. One with the right motives and the other was not. God accepted one and rejected the other. Something to think about... Either you trust God or you don't and either you love God or you don't and either you fear God in reverence or you don't. If we feel we have no need for giving in any way or set amounts, we show ourselves greedy which is idolatry. We must also give when we choose to with the right motives. It's not about getting something back but being blessed for being a blessing. The Law that was fulfilled was about righteousness for salvation. There are social and cultural laws but moral laws about how we treat God and others have no end date. The law Jesus He said He came to fulfill was everything needed to not only atone for our sin but to redeem us from our sin to fulfill the sacrifice needed to satisfy the wrath of God. Idolatry is not changed or redefined because Jesus died and rose again. It comes down to trust/faith, love and reverence. If you are looking for excuses for why you don't give, then it only shows your motives are selfish. Earmarking money for specific things is also a form of manipulation especially if you withhold money unless you get your way. I'm glad you did this video and have the stance you do based on Biblical views and principles. Thanks guys!
I'm concerned that we're taking one verse (or maybe a couple) from the Old Testament, out of context, and saying it applies to us today. The least we can do is check out the context and decide if it's a prescriptive or descriptive passage (hint: it's descriptive, it was a one-time thing). There are some decent rational arguments made here ("why did God give us the Old Testament if we are supposed to ignore it?"), but it is clear that this topic was not approached from a theological standpoint. (The guys said it themselves, I'm not insulting or accusing them.) Something to consider, since it was brought up several times throughout the video: Jesus talked about tithing. Yes, but He hadn't fulfilled the Law yet because He hadn't died and resurrected.
My pastor always said that his mother told him. Son if you dont give your tithes to God, you will end up losing that money somehow. Might as well give what God is owed because he has given you the ability to work and make money, it's biblical as well. But if you dont, maybe you'll end up paying for a new tire or something who knows.
The 100% belongs to God and He's good to let me take the other 90% for me... For me, even if I had all my effort on my work, if He is not blessing me, I'll fail... so... is not my effort but the grace of God. As human being I want money for my desires and God is not taking that/money from me... Just 1 tenth as act of obey... And even for the other 90%, I need use with wisdom.
If he gave me the desires of my Heart I would have to buy a 2nd place, because I would fill the one I am in with all kinds of frivolous stuff like to many Guitars and magnatone amp. all those modellers, kemper, Fm9, helix, I do not have any of those yet. etc, etc. We are Greedy by nature are we not?? Great video Guys.
Dude you live in The Village? I lived on Lyndon Road - right off of Penn, just south of Hefner. It's near Nichols Hills, sure, haha. Lots of great memories from that place - I miss it still sometimes.
This whole thing about tithing is huge on people's minds. People just want to know what is the right approach to understanding our responsibility to our God and our Family. First of all let me get this out there. We the people that are Christians are responsible for the financial giving to the local church. The church has bills and missions and the widows and poor and community issues that need to be financially met by the church meaning the people of the church which is the church. We have pastors and elders that are leading and responsible for the dispersement of those finances. If your church is a one man show where one man is in control of all the finances of that church and all the preaching and teaching GET OUT of that church. The leadership of a church needs to give and have accountability as to how those funds are being applied. Yes there are salaries and bills and missions and the poor and widows and many needs that are all scriptural, but must be in balance. That being said, it is clear that if you rightly divide the word of God the Bible teaches that tithing is not a new testament doctrine. Tithing in the old testament was given once a year and was all based on agricultural seed. If you didn't have livestock or grain or harvest of wheat or other seed and you gave money or gold or silver you had to add 20% to the tithe or 10% equaling 30%. We are not under the old testament law as clearly taught by Paul the apostle that Jesus assigned to the church. Paul knew the law inside and out and never once taught tithing. He taught giving as you purpose in your heart whether bountifully or sparingly. Now seed is seed and will produce no matter what you call it. You can call it tithing, giving, offering or go fund me. The seed produces after it's own kind. A money seed produces a money return. I am not against someone calling their seed tithing if that is what they purpose in their heart to sow. I am against teaching Gods people that if they do not tithe they are robbing God and are under a curse. That is teaching by ignorant people that do not understand how to rightly divide the truth. 2Tim.2:15. Most of us live beyond our means and have made our cost of living higher than it should be and therefore cannot give enough to our church. We need to fix that if that is you. I believe we should be giving more than 10% in my opinion. That being said while in your current situation taking care of your bills and family comes first. However we should not allow ourselves to stay in that position. We need to do all we can to support our churches. It is our family. We all need to believe God for our finances including the pastors and quit teaching on tithing every Sunday because of fear disguised as just teaching the people. People are sick of hearing it and that is one of the reasons people quit going to church. We are to love one another and believe the best of one another. That applies to all of us whether in or out of the pulpit. Everything I have stated in this letter is backed by Scripture and many hours of searching for balance and rightly dividing Scripture. I have been taught many unscriptural things in the past and have taught them myself. I had to put everything I was ever taught under the microscope of scripture to see if it holds true. That is what we all must do. There are those even in the pulpits that are unteachable and prideful and cannot admit they are wrong about tithing. After all they have written books and sermons. It takes a humble and teachable man to admit they were wrong. I will follow a man like that anywhere. God bless all of you.
What’s the advice if you attend various churches and consider each one a home in their own ways. Not just one home. Where do you tithe there? Do you split between them, give to the one with higher need?
Pray about it first and see what God wants you to do. If He wants you to decide you can diversify your tithe amongst each location or tithe to the main location. Otherwise you could ask the pastor(s) at the different locations
This was a great conversation! Agree with everything you all said. To add to a point you were talking about - you guys were talking about people giving "things" to the church and saying that is their "tithe". I agree with you guys, that that is not right. BECAUSE the Bible does talk about and Tithe AND Offerings. Offerings is where I think those things lie. The things ABOVE your tithe (As you guys mentioned). Giving money towards the worship ministry, or donating gear, so on and so forth. Great video, guys.
Yes I tithe. The gross not the net. Look at Hebrews 7:8 and have been truly blessed by it. Would I have been blessed without tithing? I don't know and I rather not find out.
I have a hard time attending any church let alone tithe, in my opinion faith is extremely prone to dogma and has historically led to conflict over disagreement. I feel as if we need to move onto a belief system that does not have these inherent problems over conflicts of belief. In my opinion faith should not involve historical beliefs but rather should acknowledge our lack of knowledge of the big picture of what we are and why we are, because at the end of the day there are many questions in human life that will go unanswered until we cease to exist- the basis of faith should lie in proper alignment of one with one’s self and one with one’s peers/environment and should be based on peace love and respect , it shouldn’t require any leaps of faith or beliefs in history. I know I’m kind of repeating myself
No bro... the alignment comes from the Word of God. Not from "yourself" because our hearts are deceitful. If we "follow our hearts" we will head directly to destruction. Jeremiah 17: 9-10
@@Etheilion see this is where the leap of faith comes in- “word of god” type beliefs require a leap of faith, which leads to disagreement and conflict- it’s a story that extends throughout history. I’m talking about an objective belief structure that can unite people, that doesn’t require any leaps of faith…
@@tonyz4292 you have to define what your "faith" is in then. If all you want to have faith in is peace, love, respect, and alignment, then the bar is a lot lower than faith in Jesus. Faith in Jesus requires a "leap of faith". It requires belief in history. I know you might think it's easier to just strive for peace and love, but whose definition of peace and love are we using? What happens when you're not aligning to my definition of respect when we're peers? As we gain new perspectives, does that bar change? What if the bar doesn't change at the same rate for everyone? Seems like an ever devolving thing to try and attain honestly.
@@JGorg8 I understand the points your making but I don’t think they truly apply- love, respect, sovereignty, peace- these are principles that span across many languages many generations across the world. and yes I see how language can be misconstrued especially in decisive times like the ones we are in. My point is that traditional religions have led to and will continue to lead to disagreement and conflict on a large scale and in my opinion what we need is a structure or system that develops a sense of community that gives people the opportunity to gather and help and hear one another out- basically what a church is supposed to do minus the “leap of faith” that’s needed in traditional religion- it is disingenuous to claim this is the religious truth over that religious truth. We need to acknowledge our lack of truly understanding of what is going on, why we are here, where we came from and what else is out there- and from this honest and vulnerable perspective we can learn to accept each other, as opposed to the perspective of “the world needs Jesus” the world doesn’t want Jesus the world may reject the notion or belief at all in Jesus but what we do need is some type of mechanism that brings us together because without that we will sure continue to reply the same old saga around and wound again….. a religion that separates people based on “ideas and beliefs” is a structure of evil
There were no war cries, guys God now’s us intimately and now’s this truth “ we move in the direction of our most dominant thought” that’s why the Levite’s sang so those who followed would focus on the goodness old God
Giving to the church is scriptural. Tithing is not new testament doctrine. We should be giving more then ten percent. Jesus mentioned tithing because that was still old testament. If we rightly divide the word it is clear that there are many differences from the old testament and the new testament. Seed is seed no matter what you call it. What bothers me is when preachers tell people that they are cursed for not tithing. That is error. The old testiment is a schoolmaster. We are not under the law. No one is really tithing according to scripture anyway
What differences can you show us about OT vs NT and the amount needing to be more than 10%? Is there anything specifically calling out the idea that we should give more than 10%? Genuinely asking here :)
You know, I hear what you're saying. I've been playing guitar for over 20 years. I'm active duty Navy, been a Christian all my life, and have served at many many churches across the country. Never once been paid or on staff or even been offered a thank you gift or anything. So for you guys to sit there and say, "it's gross and offensive" to think I bought these things for myself to worship with as a form of tithe, really was punch to the gut. You don't know my heart, my intentions, the sacrifices I've Made to purchase the gear. I've never played at a bar or club or venue, only ever at churches. Just for God. For over 20 years. Sorry I gross you out.
The problem is buying an equipment,owning it, and saying its tithe or giving just because you use it to help serve the church. Its the equivalent of me buying a snare and not tithe or give because i bought the snare to help serve the church and own it. Serving is serving,Giving is giving, and tithing is tithing. Be careful and examine your heart and ask God to help you see what is true and right.
Gross income is not your income because some of it belongs to the Government, Gross income is not yours to give away. People that do not realize this literally go to jail. I agree with everything you said, but some people need a reminder to pay their taxes.
I am of the opinion you should TITHE. Tithe your time, your money, your energy and effort. I mean, come on, did Jesus only save 10% of you? The giving back to God via the tithe is a bargain for what we've been saved from. The text of Jesus talking about taxes and the image of Caesar on the coins gives us a clue when we ask what image is on us? If we're made in God's image, we're His children and all that comes with it. We tithe and then give gifts above the tithe to support missionaries/youth/etc. I am convinced, no youth that wants to go on a missions trip shouldn't be able to go because of just "money". And God gives back. I joke that we get better gas mileage in our vehicles because we tithe.
Ha that's a humidifier. In the winter the humidity down here gets really low, so I'm trying to maintain some consistency so these guitars stay in good shape. During the summer I have to run a de-humidifier. It's a constant battle, ha.
Let every man give as he's determined in his heart Leviticus 27:30 tells us what The 10th is even in Jesus day it was Dil spice and cumin the tithe was established the Levites who did not inherit any land like the rest of the tribes of Israel therefore the tithe was established bring the whole tithe so that there would be food in my house
Jesus mentioned the tithe because he was living in the law and fulfilling it. He went to Temple, etc etc. After He fulfilled it, we were no longer enslaved to it. No where in the New Testament is tithing, as we know it, taught. No, instead- “each gave as he could”. It’s the modern churches and pastors that have hijacked tithing to fund their ministries. I implore anyone reading this to go to Scripture about this
Tithe is OT .It was Gods social security for Israel.. the tithe was literal produce of the land , like wine cattle wheat etc.. so that my house may be filled with food, is literal food for the festivals , all Israel ate the tithe not just the Priests. Tithers think 10% Gods , 90 % mine... But tithing dosent add to the blessing Gods has blessed those who believe. Just as Jesus fulflled all the Law , so the tithe we are not bound. We new covenant are givers.. 100% Gods I am Gods steward. Christians teach they are not under law, but grace , yet resurrect the OT tithe. Some teach except u tithe u will not be blessed...
Tithing and offerings are 2 seperate things. Tithing is more of a commitment. For example, if we decide to live within the US and any of the states, we also commit to pay taxes in order to better our environment. Same goes for God’s church. Tithing should be 10% of our income no debate because that is the example that was established in the bible. Offerings can be financial and services dedicated to God.
New testimony giving is not 10 percent. It’s all His. Everything about this video is out of context and not understanding that Jesus was under the law when He said those things.
Recently I was not a Christian. I initially stumbled across your videos while looking up reviews on the McPherson Sable guitar, which I did end up purchasing. However, I suddenly found my UA-cam algorithm filled with more of your videos, which I watched intently because the pair you are so well spoken and likable. As time went on my focus of learning more rock songs changed to learning worship songs, and again stumbling across your worship song tutorials. Then videos of wanting to know more about Christ. Within the matter of 2 months I went from questioning if God is real, to wanting to learn more about Him and ultimately becoming a believer. Hats off to you two gentlemen. What a blessing you’ve been to me. God is most definitely using you to reach people.
Praise God Brother!
That is so awesome to hear!!
My wife and i began to tithe about 20 years ago. It was definitely a step out on faith at that time. Today we are not rich by any means, we do own a home, we have 2 vehicles paid off. I own my own small business and my wife hasn't had to work in many years. I feel I am blessed beyond all that i need. Sure i would like a larger home, a new truck, etc... but i dont need it and i am blessed not to have the financial burdens of carrying them. GOD IS GOOD and He is faithful!
YES to this conversation! Giving and tithing is so important and I’ve seen God’s faithfulness and provision because of tithing and giving! Even if i didn’t have much!
My thoughts before watching:
The “tithe” is a Biblical principle that pre-dates the Law and exists for the benefit of the believer (much like the Sabbath), teaching us to live on less so that we prioritize generous living. The case can certainly be made that we aren’t obligated to the tithe as New Testament Christians, but the expectation we do have as followers of Christ is that of sacrificial generosity (which arguably can/should dwarf the obligatory tithe).
The tithe is the training wheels of generosity.
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We lose that focus of both tithing and Sabbath so often. They’re designed to remind us of the Lord being our shepherd and giving us all we need. Letting income go is such an opposite view to the dominant culture, even the dominant Christian culture, but the pursuit of wealth is often mentioned as a major distraction to serving God, so removing it is often the “safest” way to be a faithful follower of Jesus.
I'm like 8 minutes into this video and I already love this so much! I am a volunteer Worship and Tech Ministry Director and have been watching your videos mostly for tech tips and entertainment purposes, but hearing you guys humbly talk about God's word and using the truths in it as the basis for your life and your logic gives me so much more respect for you guys! Speaking out against prosperity gospel and talking about songs being biblically based is not a popular thing in modern worship. Keep it up guys! Way to store up your treasures in heaven!
I do! I’ve heard from our pastor preach 3 things:
1. Giving honors God
2. Saving builds wealth
And 3. Living on the rest teaches contentment
I am southern baptist, my dad is a retired southern baptist pastor. I tithe, I play weekly and do not get paid. My 14 year old son who is a drummer does get paid, he tithes. Our church is very responsible and gives a lot to missions. Tithing is part of being in Christ. WT I continue to be very happy watching your content and how grounded y'all are in the Word. Thank you.
We cheerfully give a certain amount of our money and time to our church. Idk if it works out to 10% or whatever, but it’s fun!
That's where I am, too. I give regularly, though it's not 10% of my income. But then I volunteer to lead without getting paid, put in a ton of time and energy, and I buy a lot of equipment for the church (not just new shiny guitars, but spare XLR cables, converter boxes, plenty of not-sexy things). I also don't know where that ends up as an exact amount, but I'm good with where my heart is regarding those offerings.
@@calebwhitcraft1664 yup, same!
The main worship leader at my first church was the same - buying all the tech for our small church site. Logistically it’s easier, especially in smaller contexts to give into the ministry in this way. I am aware that a collective pot can then be distributed but if you’re seeing and meeting an area of need I feel this falls within our giving.
I'm part of our worshipteam at my church. I play guitar, an play ( usually) 4 services a week. Wes,Saturday, and 2 on Sunday s. I'm practicing the set lists ,at least 3 to 4 hrs after I get off work. Making sure I have the tones down,my parts as well. Almost all my down time goes to the church. I don't get paid,but do believe that is my tith. Now if I wasn't playing, then yes I would be tithing. And wouldn't have no problem with it. I give freely..
You can believe that's your tithe, but playing guitar and what it takes to do it isn't a tithe. They're two entirely different things with entirely different purposes. Tithing is a form of worship because it shows God you trust Him-not money-to provide (Matthew 6:24 ). Serving (like volunteering at your church or helping out in your community) is also worship because you’re dedicating your time and talents to bless others, as God has called us to do (Matthew 25:40). So, yes, God wants you to serve by giving your time. But He also wants you to put your faith in Him instead of money by tithing.
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WOW, these guys just lost me man. I'm choosing to dedicate my time to practice and serve. I could easily use that time to start a second job or side hustle, but I'm choosing to worship with my time and talent. The sunday's I play I don't tithe, when I don't play then I tithe.
@@miguelmarquez9435 a lot of "I"s in there...
@@miguelmarquez9435my friend, I hear you. And serving your church is great! Please watch this again with an open heart. Not in a way that says 'I'm going to see if these guys are right' but in a way that says 'I'm going to see what God might want to teach me thru this'. We have ZERO to gain from you tithing to your church. We aren't saying this to get anything out of it at ALL. We are trying to call musicians to a higher standard. So please, watch again and listen with a heart that says you want to learn. At the end of the day what the Holy Spirit puts on your heart is not our business and not directed by us. But we are here to share what we have learned and seen God do in our lives by being obedient.
YES. We’re asked to give “first fruits,” so 10% before other stuff.
Definitely not easy when you see the actual number that you’re giving away, but trust in the Lord is paramount. He provides what we NEED, not what we often WANT. Love your “Brian’s name” comment. So true. Appreciate this kind of content!
I wish I could have been a part of this conversation. Thanks for sharing. Can I call in next time? BTW, cool guitars! I'll try to summarize a few thoughts from some of the presented topics.
1. There is no biblical precedent for how tithing is practiced today. At no point in the Bible was a tithe collected from a monetary wage although it's evident money was widely traded and wages were earned during those times (Haggai 1:6).
2. To understand Malachi 3 one has to read the whole book of Malachi. In Malachi 1:1 the narrative is towards the "children of Israel" and the narrative is narrowed towards the Levitical Priests in Malachi 1:6 and 2:1. There's no clear change in the direction of the narrative through Malachi 3 so the tithe indictment cannot be universally applied wither historically or currently. In chapter 2 the Priests are chastised for bringing foul offerings for sacrifices. It makes sense they are also being chastised in Chapter 3 for not bringing the WHOLE of the tithe items, not just select parts of it, to the Temple storehouse. Also, we see the reference to FOOD in my house - not money, consumable items. The ordinances under Mosaic Law that facilitated systematic tithing are now obsolete (Hebrews 8:13)
3. Abraham (Abram at the time) submitted a one-time honorarium to Melchizedek in exchange for wine & bread. There's no biblical evidence this transaction was required by God, that it established any precedent, or that Abraham ever "tithed" again. There is historical evidence that his submission was in alignment with the pagan custom of the time.
4. There's no biblical evidence that Jacob ever tithed. He made a conditional promise to do so if God provided for him as he had envisioned. If he were obligated to tithe, he would have no latitude to make his promise conditional. It's interesting how his lineage carried out his promise to tithe under Mosaic Law.
5. Only consumable items from within Israel were accepted as a systematic tithe deliverable under Mosaic Law. There was the "tithe of the land" and the "tithe of the herd" (Leviticus 27:30-32). No mention of tithing from earned wages or tithing money with the possible exception of the land tithe redemption, and there was a penalty assessed for doing so.
6. Jesus referenced tithing in Matthew 23:23 when he chastised the Pharisees for their pious attitude while they carried out the least of the ceremonial tithing ordinance in place at that time, while neglecting more important moral matters. Notice again the reference "mint, dill, and cumin", not money in that passage.
7. Yes, gifts are different than biblical, systematic tithes, which were required. As such, tithing isn't a form of giving. That which is compulsory is a payment, like a tax, which essentially was the function of tithing under Mosaic Law - to support the Levitical theocracy, the poor, and for consuming and sharing at the festivals.
Summary: There's nothing wrong with practicing tithing as a discretionary way to give systematically. Yes, we should support our local church, other ministries, charities etc. Where we get into trouble is when today's version of tithing from earned wages to a religious institution is taught as a universal, continuous, biblical mandate. This victimizes the less fortunate to be bound to pay money they can't afford in the hopes they won't "be cursed" or otherwise "not blessed". Today's version of tithing can't be seen as an act of biblical obedience since it has no biblical precedent. We're free to give, not bound to pay. Blessings.
It is so refreshing to see a scriptural answer based on the Bible. Very accurate and well presented. I don't care about people's experiences. They can be easily misinterpreted as doctrine. There is a blessing in sowing seed. But it is the seed that produces not what you call it.
Some real life choices (if anyone can help): to tithe or 1) use those funds for much needed medical care for loved ones; 2) pay back my student loans which is causing much personal despair; 3) provide a better life for my family such as nicer (new) clothes and healthier meals. also, we happen to go to a church where a good portion of the tithes and church finances are allocated to the pastor's children's education at pricey private colleges rather than advancing the ministry. kind of unsettling...do we just turn a blind eye to where those tithes go?
@@kenichi407 We're free to give according to our own convictions and capabilities. No one is biblically bound to continually pay money to a religious institution.
@@markb7067 is that what these guys are actually saying though?
@@kenichi407 It's wise for us to seek the truth for ourselves in the Bible when it's read in context. Then we will see differences to what the Bible actually says and how it's frequently presented today.
You guys mentioned something along the lines of “this is not what people come to our channel for”, but personally I really enjoyed this video a lot! I would love to see more theological discussion content.
Tithing is something I’ve always struggled with, not because I ever believed it wasn’t necessary, but more as a reflection of my own struggle to trust God with my finances. I really appreciate this truth and encouragement, keep it up fellas
Thank u guys for being a big example to me and sharing this..not too many people talk about this topic and I'm very happy u guys did..yes times are tuff but God does honor his servants who honor him..Thank You brothers and it'll be nice if u guys bring out other topics like this to encourage us...Thanks again and God bless you brothers 🙏🙂
Very nice!! Glad to see this type of conversation in this channel. I hope it keeps happening. Thank you and Blessings!!!
What an amazing video, more of this guys!!! God Bless and protect you in Jesus name, Amen! 🙂
We should be giving God back what is already his. He gives us what we need and want if we put our faith and trust in him.
I believe there is a blessing for those who tithe (not necessarily always financial). Most pastors I have worked for are afraid of appearing greedy or manipulative, and their action shows they value their reputation more highly than their congregation being blessed.
On the same note we are in church encouraged to give don't let your left hand see what your right hand is doing
I know that tithing is a hotly debated topic in the church today. While I will not debate for or against tithing on this video, one of the areas God has blessed me in is the area of giving. A decade ago I was a long term unemployed person living in my mom’s basement. I made the decision to give to God after He prompted me to. Within a few months, I found a full time job and was back on my feet. I can tell you many times over the last decade how God has blessed me and my now wife because we obeyed the moving of God in that area.
Did not expect to hear a Village, OK shout out! My wife and I's first house was in the village. Also super small but we loved it. Great memories there.
Regarding tithing: My personal mindset is 1. the money isn't mine to begin with. Though I worked for it, the job I have and the ability to work is a blessing. 2. More money just isn't going to make my life any happier. I have what I need and my family is taken care of and that's more than enough.
I tithe out of gratitude and from a place of not wanting money to have a hold on my mind/heart. Would it be nice to update the same gear I've been using forever? Yeah! But I'd rather just live in gratitude that I even have gear to use for worship and continue giving to my local church and seeing people come to know Christ.
This is a tough topic but man I appreciate you guys being willing to talk about it and provide a space for dialogue.
Thanks guys. This is a great video. A lot of good content!!
Before watching, my take on tithing from experience is that Gods word says that you will be blessed if you give. Some people say that they can’t afford to tithe, but I say that I can’t afford NOT to tithe. The blessings from giving and being obedient far outweigh the small amount of money you sacrifice for the Lord.
That being said, you don’t give just to receive. You give because everything you have is a gift from God in the first place. Giving is a form of worship and giving back to God what is already his in the first place.
You have to remember that a tith in the bible wasn't money. It was what they had. Live stock,food, and yes ,their time...
Yet , it's money now. Which isn't biblical. But I have no problem tithing money when I'm not playing... love your channels brother s.. and thanks for the insight. . God bless
Wealth was tied to the possessions they had then in a different way than it is today. We don't buy hundreds upon hundreds of cattle 😂
@bmitchellmusic hey brother, I do realize that ,yes,we don't have hundreds of cattle. Lol. And your right. But we read in Nehemiah 13:10
The Levites had to leave the church, because they weren't getting paid( daily Portions of food.) So they had to go back to work, so that they could Provide for their families as well as their selfs.when Nehemiah found out about this,because he saw that the church has been neglected. So brought them all back,and paid them. After that, the people of Judah came back to the church and began to tith again. Not only do we see that the church should be paying their worship team, and that the tith doesn't pertains to levites., but was the church attendees. Now I do understand if a church can't afford to pay their worship team. But should honor that as their tith. If your ask your worship team to participate in tithing. That's like saying : you have to pay to play. Which isn't right at all. Because it should be the other way around. But I do it unto the lord. And he knows my heart. I put in 15hrs at the church 16hrs of practice time for the church a week. Not on payroll, and bearly get by financially. But because I do all for God glory, the lord has blessed me with a God loven/ fearing family, house,food,vehicle ect.. And you just said it, wealth was tied to what they had in the pass. I don't have much to give ,but my time and talent. And is considered an offering unto the lord. And he has except it. Once again, if I was wealthy ,I would have no problem tithing with money. But like a lot of musicians out their or working class people that serve and hold full time jobs. We guve what we can. And with what we have.. and we give freely. I have to be constantly focused on the lord. I'm working 55hrs ( with my job) and another 30+hrs for the church. The Lord is the only way I can do this. Once I lose my focus on him ,I see myself starting to complain, and get tired an angry. And no longer what to play. If the lord calls me to tith,and put in more then I have already have given,I will be obedient,and do so. Knowingly that God will provide. Godbless brother.
me and my wife have proven this in our 19 years of marriage - and will turn 20 this year (blessed with 4 healthy kids), blessing in tithing is real...that's all. we are not that rich but we get our daily bread in so many ways...i thank GOD for that!
Enjoyed this, thanks fella’s!
My wife and I tithe, and have since we were married almost 18 years ago. Money has been tight and we've had excess. But we've always been blessed and never did without. Today, when I look around and try to figure out how I ended up where I am, it can only be God's blessings. He honors obedience.
Absolutely tithe your time, talent, and treasure. God doesn't need our money. He can do more with 10% then we can do with the other 90%. Its a heart issue.
For me, if i want to donate/give a love gift to a specific ministry/usage, it is outside of my tithes :)
Great video guys! nice to have a little different content. Tithing is a win every time.
Well done guys. I believe scripture is clear about tithing. I would add that the Lord loves a cheerful giver. If you tithe, but doing it with a spirit well I have too…. It all came from the Lord and it is only right that we give back to Him for Him to use as He wishes. I can honestly say there were months we didn’t know how we were going to pay our bills, and mathematically it didn’t work, but somehow we paid them. We are committed to tithing and we are committed to cheerfully give it to the Lord for Him to use as He pleases, because it’s his anyway.
Good discussion! I agree with your criticism of the health and wealth movement. However y'all play and promote music by churches such as Bethel that teach not only health and wealth but various other heretical doctrines.
How do y'all feel about that? That might be a good topic for a future video.
Hard to find a worship song not written by a sinner. Wheat from the chaff in most cases. We don't always do a song if we really dont agree with that content.
@@bmitchellmusic I'd take it one step further and say there is no song that isn't written by a sinner.
However, I'd say it's not so much about who wrote the song or whether or not the message of the song is good, it's about the movement behind it. Churches like Bethel get most of their revenue and influence through their music, even though the music itself might be innocent.
That's the thing about money, you need it to survive. You don't need to play on Sunday to survive
That is a very interesting way to word that.
It’s probably a humidifier, but I like to imagine that little bit of haze behind Brian is a smoking tube amp.
It is a humidifier. But if it’s any consolation, when we were capturing the Mesa Boogie Lone Star, there were several points where smoke was coming out the amp 👍🏻.
Turned out it was an easy fix, but it felt like rock and roll!
I have yet to find a church that manages their finances well so I have a hard time with this. I'd much rather donate the money to organizations that are doing what churches should be than to see that money mismanaged.
Yeah that is an issue for sure. We address it in this video, too.
@@worshiptutorials I did not get all the way through the video before initially commenting. Seems like Bradford's stance consistently leads back to "why are we arguing against funding the church" and I would have to say horrible mismanagement of money and skewed priorities are painfully obvious reasons why to argue against it.
This is nothing new either. I've visited centuries old churches in Europe that have stashed away insane amounts of wealth while that money would have been much better served by helping people at any point in time.
I tithed 1/10th the full time I was playing guitar on stage which I agree is important as a leader. Now that I've stepped away from the church I do feel that money donated to well vetted charities does much more for actual people.
By the way, I totally respect you guys for having this conversation online of all places. It was a very interesting conversation to listen to even though it brings out the pitchforks.
@@FabuBrik that is absolutely a fair point. I do mention that if funds are being used improperly that of course changes things. No church is perfect, but there are definitely churches that do this well and in that regard I still maintain that the church should be funded to carry out the mission it is called to do.
@@bmitchellmusic Definitely agree and important to remember that churches are being managed by humans. Most of the time in high stressful positions at that. Thanks for the thought provoking conversation.
They are out there. Our church is 100 years old and debt free with a large reserve all the while being one of the most giving churches i have ever been a member of. Both to missions and needing individuals.🎉
When Abraham paid a tithe to Melchizedek, it was, believed to be by some scholars, a war tax from spoils of a battle just fought. In Jasher (a book mentioned in the OT), Melchizedekwas Shem. He was at the time the rightful ruler of the earth. But there were usurpers (Nimrod, etc) which refused to recognize it. Later, the Israelites were given the Divine Law under Moses. The tithe was a tenth tax that went to support the nation’s government and infrastructure. God recognized man’s ownership of his own labor (what man earned from his own labor was his). God required the tithe for His labor. So if a man harvested trees, he would pay a tithe on the trees (God’s labor). Then if he built furniture with the wood he would not be taxed again. That was man’s labor. We are in a Babylon type captivity at present. We are taxed and there is a system in place for helping the poor, etc. If you wish to give to 501c3 non-profits, which are in reality “para-church ministries” , then that is Spirit-led giving.
My personal conviction is 10% of my income goes to my local church as leadership sees fit. Anything else after that is "general giving", whether it be to individuals (missionaries, personal encounters with people in need) or organizations (charities or churches). I don't view taxed income as my own (because it's the government's) -- thus I don't use it for my tithe calculation (vs. "general giving"). However, for our family that is a mere accounting nuance because the total going out is way more than gross income anyway.
I find that lots of giving (at least with people I personally know, including myself) is hampered by, as Dave Ramsey would say, "using money we don't have (debt), to buy things we don't need (lifestyle), to impress people we don't even know (vanity)". It's fine to enjoy nice things, but I think we make the line with giving vs. saving vs. enjoyment complicated so we can hide our sinful affections. Finances with a clear purpose, held with an open hand, done in seeking to grow in generosity is the trend that I think sets apart those who are in Christ vs. those who only want to appear like they are in Christ. Generosity may have no universal income percentage or path in life that we all follow identically, but it does share a universal spirit (Christ's) and purpose (intentional worship).
Hebrews 12:3-4 always helps me as a struggle with my own obedience, even in my finances: "Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. 4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood." None of this is easy, but that's why we rely on biblical community to "...exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin." (Hebrews 3:13).
Great discussion guys, thanks for posting! And even though I almost never comment -- I love the normal gear/music/worship content too! Keep it up!
I am from India and I see a lot of work being done for christ here by so many pastors who dont even have their own churches, they are not aware where will the food come from tomorrow or if their children be able to keep going school or they will be thrown awayby school next month for non-payment of the fees. There is so much persecution for them but still they keep continuing doing Gods great work of preaching to masses who are not aware of him. Seeing their struggle it becomes the responsibility of others who are given a regular source of income to support them and help them continue their livelihood while they focus on God.
I understand most of your viewers dont have to face persecution wherein they could be hit or even killed by an angry mob just for taking jesus’name, but for us giving tithe is a blessing !
Such a great video!
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with all that being said, any pastor would re-affirm God doesn't love tithers any more than non-tithers, and that God isn't short of cash. Christian's don't get any "brownie points" over others when they tithe. Of course, it's very generous and helpful for the local church.
The tithing principle predates the the Levitical Law in the example of Abraham giving a tenth to Melchizedek. Tithing is a challenge by the Lord, he challenges our faith with trusting Him with money. He presents us with a choice. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord
Any thoughts on if it’s meant to be specifically for church ministries or should the giving we do to missions or other things count toward that 10% we are called to?
Letssss goooo and tithe.
Post-tithe-PSL's? LETS GOOOOOOOO
Some real life choices: to tithe or 1) use those funds for much needed medical care for loved ones; 2) pay back my student loans which is causing much despair; 3) provide a better life for my family such as nicer clothes and healthier meals. also, we happen to go to a church where tithes and church finances are allocated to the pastor's children's education at pricey private colleges rather than advancing the ministry. kind of unsettling...do we just turn a blind eye to where those tithes go?
The first church in the book of Acts explains giving
On the topic of tithing before or after taxes: Tithe FIRST. First fruits. The only caveat is if the money is withheld from your check before you receive it. I can see this as reasonable since you never had the money. I try to tithe before I even buy anything because tithe is FIRST.
Our church practices grace giving. Give something, but don't be constrained to a set number. Give what you can. If you can't give financially, then give your time.
Yes. For me it starts with the personal conviction that NOTHING belongs to me but EVERYTHING belongs to God. If you get ok with this, giving a tithe is really the least we can do. Sure the church needs to be funded but it is funded because people/individuals are convicted to God is Lord of all and want to honor Him as such.
2 Samuel 24:24 KJV
And the king said unto Araunah, Nay; but I will surely buy it of thee at a price: neither will I offer burnt offerings unto the LORD my God of that which doth cost me nothing. So David bought the threshingfloor and the oxen for fifty shekels of silver.
Excellent content guys
Great points guys!!!!
I love this topic. Tithe, definitely.
I do believe in tithing but I don’t believe it’s a must do type of thing however if you love the church you are in then why wouldn’t you want to support it. What has really put me off in previous churches I’ve been to is when the pastor rocks up in a Porsche and I’m struggling to rub two pennies together but that judgment is for God, not for me however it still stings!
I like the verse PROVERBS 11:25
“A generous person will prosper; whoever refreshes others will be refreshed.”
I always tell people when they have question on this topic by saying "Well it's not really Biblical to say this, but I bet you would agree with me. If you are not comfortable financially supporting the church you are attending, that church is not worth attending. You need to find a church that's worth your financial support." And Starbucks, let's choose other coffee places that don't support PP. But wait, Amazon does that, too. Am I being a hypocrite? Oh boy lol!
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It's not a matter of if it's a law or not. The tithe predates the law and wasn't done as a matter of legal duty, it was done in faith, in reverence and love for God. Tithing and giving in general is a matter of the heart. The first murder was over an offering. One with the right motives and the other was not. God accepted one and rejected the other. Something to think about...
Either you trust God or you don't and either you love God or you don't and either you fear God in reverence or you don't. If we feel we have no need for giving in any way or set amounts, we show ourselves greedy which is idolatry. We must also give when we choose to with the right motives. It's not about getting something back but being blessed for being a blessing.
The Law that was fulfilled was about righteousness for salvation. There are social and cultural laws but moral laws about how we treat God and others have no end date. The law Jesus He said He came to fulfill was everything needed to not only atone for our sin but to redeem us from our sin to fulfill the sacrifice needed to satisfy the wrath of God. Idolatry is not changed or redefined because Jesus died and rose again. It comes down to trust/faith, love and reverence.
If you are looking for excuses for why you don't give, then it only shows your motives are selfish. Earmarking money for specific things is also a form of manipulation especially if you withhold money unless you get your way. I'm glad you did this video and have the stance you do based on Biblical views and principles. Thanks guys!
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I'm concerned that we're taking one verse (or maybe a couple) from the Old Testament, out of context, and saying it applies to us today. The least we can do is check out the context and decide if it's a prescriptive or descriptive passage (hint: it's descriptive, it was a one-time thing). There are some decent rational arguments made here ("why did God give us the Old Testament if we are supposed to ignore it?"), but it is clear that this topic was not approached from a theological standpoint. (The guys said it themselves, I'm not insulting or accusing them.)
Something to consider, since it was brought up several times throughout the video: Jesus talked about tithing. Yes, but He hadn't fulfilled the Law yet because He hadn't died and resurrected.
My pastor always said that his mother told him. Son if you dont give your tithes to God, you will end up losing that money somehow. Might as well give what God is owed because he has given you the ability to work and make money, it's biblical as well. But if you dont, maybe you'll end up paying for a new tire or something who knows.
The 100% belongs to God and He's good to let me take the other 90% for me... For me, even if I had all my effort on my work, if He is not blessing me, I'll fail... so... is not my effort but the grace of God. As human being I want money for my desires and God is not taking that/money from me... Just 1 tenth as act of obey... And even for the other 90%, I need use with wisdom.
If he gave me the desires of my Heart I would have to buy a 2nd place, because I would fill the one I am in with all kinds of frivolous stuff like to many Guitars and magnatone amp. all those modellers, kemper, Fm9, helix, I do not have any of those yet. etc, etc. We are Greedy by nature are we not?? Great video Guys.
It's not The Village, it's "Nichols Hills Area".... ;) That's how it was described to me as a village resident LOL.
Dude you live in The Village? I lived on Lyndon Road - right off of Penn, just south of Hefner. It's near Nichols Hills, sure, haha. Lots of great memories from that place - I miss it still sometimes.
This whole thing about tithing is huge on people's minds. People just want to know what is the right approach to understanding our responsibility to our God and our Family. First of all let me get this out there. We the people that are Christians are responsible for the financial giving to the local church. The church has bills and missions and the widows and poor and community issues that need to be financially met by the church meaning the people of the church which is the church. We have pastors and elders that are leading and responsible for the dispersement of those finances. If your church is a one man show where one man is in control of all the finances of that church and all the preaching and teaching GET OUT of that church. The leadership of a church needs to give and have accountability as to how those funds are being applied. Yes there are salaries and bills and missions and the poor and widows and many needs that are all scriptural, but must be in balance. That being said, it is clear that if you rightly divide the word of God the Bible teaches that tithing is not a new testament doctrine. Tithing in the old testament was given once a year and was all based on agricultural seed. If you didn't have livestock or grain or harvest of wheat or other seed and you gave money or gold or silver you had to add 20% to the tithe or 10% equaling 30%. We are not under the old testament law as clearly taught by Paul the apostle that Jesus assigned to the church. Paul knew the law inside and out and never once taught tithing. He taught giving as you purpose in your heart whether bountifully or sparingly. Now seed is seed and will produce no matter what you call it. You can call it tithing, giving, offering or go fund me. The seed produces after it's own kind. A money seed produces a money return. I am not against someone calling their seed tithing if that is what they purpose in their heart to sow. I am against teaching Gods people that if they do not tithe they are robbing God and are under a curse. That is teaching by ignorant people that do not understand how to rightly divide the truth. 2Tim.2:15. Most of us live beyond our means and have made our cost of living higher than it should be and therefore cannot give enough to our church. We need to fix that if that is you. I believe we should be giving more than 10% in my opinion. That being said while in your current situation taking care of your bills and family comes first. However we should not allow ourselves to stay in that position. We need to do all we can to support our churches. It is our family. We all need to believe God for our finances including the pastors and quit teaching on tithing every Sunday because of fear disguised as just teaching the people. People are sick of hearing it and that is one of the reasons people quit going to church. We are to love one another and believe the best of one another. That applies to all of us whether in or out of the pulpit. Everything I have stated in this letter is backed by Scripture and many hours of searching for balance and rightly dividing Scripture. I have been taught many unscriptural things in the past and have taught them myself. I had to put everything I was ever taught under the microscope of scripture to see if it holds true. That is what we all must do. There are those even in the pulpits that are unteachable and prideful and cannot admit they are wrong about tithing. After all they have written books and sermons. It takes a humble and teachable man to admit they were wrong. I will follow a man like that anywhere. God bless all of you.
Guys I really love and admire this discussion guys. But in my church all the tithes goes to the pastor not the church. No compromise on this
What’s the advice if you attend various churches and consider each one a home in their own ways. Not just one home.
Where do you tithe there? Do you split between them, give to the one with higher need?
Pray about it first and see what God wants you to do. If He wants you to decide you can diversify your tithe amongst each location or tithe to the main location. Otherwise you could ask the pastor(s) at the different locations
This was a great conversation! Agree with everything you all said.
To add to a point you were talking about - you guys were talking about people giving "things" to the church and saying that is their "tithe". I agree with you guys, that that is not right. BECAUSE the Bible does talk about and Tithe AND Offerings. Offerings is where I think those things lie. The things ABOVE your tithe (As you guys mentioned). Giving money towards the worship ministry, or donating gear, so on and so forth.
Great video, guys.
We should tithe 10% of all our income. Period.
In my church we talk openly on the Sunday service about tithing one month every two years.
Yes I tithe. The gross not the net. Look at Hebrews 7:8 and have been truly blessed by it. Would I have been blessed without tithing? I don't know and I rather not find out.
I have a hard time attending any church let alone tithe, in my opinion faith is extremely prone to dogma and has historically led to conflict over disagreement. I feel as if we need to move onto a belief system that does not have these inherent problems over conflicts of belief. In my opinion faith should not involve historical beliefs but rather should acknowledge our lack of knowledge of the big picture of what we are and why we are, because at the end of the day there are many questions in human life that will go unanswered until we cease to exist- the basis of faith should lie in proper alignment of one with one’s self and one with one’s peers/environment and should be based on peace love and respect , it shouldn’t require any leaps of faith or beliefs in history. I know I’m kind of repeating myself
No bro... the alignment comes from the Word of God. Not from "yourself" because our hearts are deceitful. If we "follow our hearts" we will head directly to destruction. Jeremiah 17: 9-10
@@Etheilion see this is where the leap of faith comes in- “word of god” type beliefs require a leap of faith, which leads to disagreement and conflict- it’s a story that extends throughout history. I’m talking about an objective belief structure that can unite people, that doesn’t require any leaps of faith…
@@tonyz4292 you have to define what your "faith" is in then. If all you want to have faith in is peace, love, respect, and alignment, then the bar is a lot lower than faith in Jesus. Faith in Jesus requires a "leap of faith". It requires belief in history. I know you might think it's easier to just strive for peace and love, but whose definition of peace and love are we using? What happens when you're not aligning to my definition of respect when we're peers? As we gain new perspectives, does that bar change? What if the bar doesn't change at the same rate for everyone? Seems like an ever devolving thing to try and attain honestly.
@@JGorg8 I understand the points your making but I don’t think they truly apply- love, respect, sovereignty, peace- these are principles that span across many languages many generations across the world. and yes I see how language can be misconstrued especially in decisive times like the ones we are in. My point is that traditional religions have led to and will continue to lead to disagreement and conflict on a large scale and in my opinion what we need is a structure or system that develops a sense of community that gives people the opportunity to gather and help and hear one another out- basically what a church is supposed to do minus the “leap of faith” that’s needed in traditional religion- it is disingenuous to claim this is the religious truth over that religious truth. We need to acknowledge our lack of truly understanding of what is going on, why we are here, where we came from and what else is out there- and from this honest and vulnerable perspective we can learn to accept each other, as opposed to the perspective of “the world needs Jesus” the world doesn’t want Jesus the world may reject the notion or belief at all in Jesus but what we do need is some type of mechanism that brings us together because without that we will sure continue to reply the same old saga around and wound again….. a religion that separates people based on “ideas and beliefs” is a structure of evil
There were no war cries, guys God now’s us intimately and now’s this truth “ we move in the direction of our most dominant thought” that’s why the Levite’s sang so those who followed would focus on the goodness old God
To Tithe or not to tithe? :) To Tithe all the way!
Giving to the church is scriptural. Tithing is not new testament doctrine. We should be giving more then ten percent. Jesus mentioned tithing because that was still old testament. If we rightly divide the word it is clear that there are many differences from the old testament and the new testament. Seed is seed no matter what you call it. What bothers me is when preachers tell people that they are cursed for not tithing. That is error. The old testiment is a schoolmaster. We are not under the law. No one is really tithing according to scripture anyway
What differences can you show us about OT vs NT and the amount needing to be more than 10%? Is there anything specifically calling out the idea that we should give more than 10%? Genuinely asking here :)
You know, I hear what you're saying. I've been playing guitar for over 20 years. I'm active duty Navy, been a Christian all my life, and have served at many many churches across the country. Never once been paid or on staff or even been offered a thank you gift or anything. So for you guys to sit there and say, "it's gross and offensive" to think I bought these things for myself to worship with as a form of tithe, really was punch to the gut. You don't know my heart, my intentions, the sacrifices I've Made to purchase the gear. I've never played at a bar or club or venue, only ever at churches. Just for God. For over 20 years. Sorry I gross you out.
The problem is buying an equipment,owning it, and saying its tithe or giving just because you use it to help serve the church. Its the equivalent of me buying a snare and not tithe or give because i bought the snare to help serve the church and own it. Serving is serving,Giving is giving, and tithing is tithing. Be careful and examine your heart and ask God to help you see what is true and right.
Wow Are you from the house of Levi? The Tithe were to care for the tribe of Levi.
Have you watched the whole video yet?
Gross income is not your income because some of it belongs to the Government, Gross income is not yours to give away. People that do not realize this literally go to jail. I agree with everything you said, but some people need a reminder to pay their taxes.
Well I guess Bradford will not be getting that novo serus anytime soon. The Green one!!!
I feel that you should ask God what Her would have you to give and follow that whether its $5.00 or $500.00. Listen to the Spirit.
I used to be on the financial team, and praise and worship team, at a church of which used that Malachi 3:10 scripture on their tithing envelopes 😂
I am of the opinion you should TITHE.
Tithe your time, your money, your energy and effort.
I mean, come on, did Jesus only save 10% of you? The giving back to God via the tithe is a bargain for what we've been saved from.
The text of Jesus talking about taxes and the image of Caesar on the coins gives us a clue when we ask what image is on us? If we're made in God's image, we're His children and all that comes with it.
We tithe and then give gifts above the tithe to support missionaries/youth/etc. I am convinced, no youth that wants to go on a missions trip shouldn't be able to go because of just "money".
And God gives back. I joke that we get better gas mileage in our vehicles because we tithe.
I think you are missing the important things in this video, In the wide shot why is there steam behind Brian?
Ha that's a humidifier. In the winter the humidity down here gets really low, so I'm trying to maintain some consistency so these guitars stay in good shape. During the summer I have to run a de-humidifier. It's a constant battle, ha.
Based on the title may I ask why wouldn’t you tithe “support” the local church you attend?
We talk about various arguments against tithing in the video. Obviously we are arguing that we should be tithing.
Let every man give as he's determined in his heart Leviticus 27:30 tells us what The 10th is even in Jesus day it was Dil spice and cumin the tithe was established the Levites who did not inherit any land like the rest of the tribes of Israel therefore the tithe was established bring the whole tithe so that there would be food in my house
Jesus mentioned the tithe because he was living in the law and fulfilling it. He went to Temple, etc etc. After He fulfilled it, we were no longer enslaved to it. No where in the New Testament is tithing, as we know it, taught. No, instead- “each gave as he could”. It’s the modern churches and pastors that have hijacked tithing to fund their ministries. I implore anyone reading this to go to Scripture about this
26:00 I tithe out of my take home pay and then tithe out of my tax refund so it equals out to tithing out of gross and a little more
Its not murder. Its thou shalt not kill.
You’re gonna have to explain that one.
@@bmitchellmusic You dont kill, period. No wars, no killing as Jesus preached.
What harm does it do to tithe? Giving to your church is good.IMO If you don’t trust your church to steward your money, find a different church.
Teaching the tithe from a beat you up if you don’t is not a correct teaching
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Tithe is OT .It was Gods social security for Israel.. the tithe was literal produce of the land , like wine cattle wheat etc.. so that my house may be filled with food, is literal food for the festivals , all Israel ate the tithe not just the Priests.
Tithers think 10% Gods , 90 % mine...
But tithing dosent add to the blessing Gods has blessed those who believe. Just as Jesus fulflled all the Law , so the tithe we are not bound.
We new covenant are givers.. 100% Gods I am Gods steward.
Christians teach they are not under law, but grace , yet resurrect the OT tithe. Some teach except u tithe u will not be blessed...
Tithing and offerings are 2 seperate things. Tithing is more of a commitment. For example, if we decide to live within the US and any of the states, we also commit to pay taxes in order to better our environment. Same goes for God’s church. Tithing should be 10% of our income no debate because that is the example that was established in the bible. Offerings can be financial and services dedicated to God.
New testimony giving is not 10 percent. It’s all His. Everything about this video is out of context and not understanding that Jesus was under the law when He said those things.
Yep the infamous faith teaching and baseball bat mentality