A panel needs to be a rainbow to appeal to different demographics. There aren't many former players that can speak in complete sentences and be seen as authentic black. I'm not being racist - even Shaq called Curry out for his pigment on TNT once. There's a reason they were pushing for Nichols to be replaced on the Finals all those years ago and it didn't have much to do with talent
I can't believe that people are debating whether Dwight is better than Jokic when we just witnessed a man who broke records in a playoff run and put Wilt like numbers. He has been consistent over the past three years and now that he played with a healthy squad, they only lost like 5 games in the entire playoffs season. C'mon now.
Dwight cannot make a free throw I hated it when he was on the Rockets they would just foul him every time and he would miss a free throw every single time
This is why ESPN is in the state that its in. They have no topic to discuss that its worth listening too, worth thinking about.... they have loads of "who cares" topics.
I was a Dwight fan. He was athletic, he was a raw talent. But he’s no Jokic. Jokic has pretty much an all around game. He can pass, he can shoot, he has the IQ, the drive, the work ethic, and most importantly, he has a solid bond with teammates and staff. So next time Dwight decides to compare himself to any other player, he needs to make sure he’s not under the influence.
@@bdavis9197 two years ago before they had the roster they do now and the experience. You think a rookie Jamal Murray was gonna go all the way to the chip with Joking? Get real.
@TsuperSaiyan Jokic had the 9th best Defensive Rating in the league this season. He also lead all centers in steals (which are more impactful than blocks).
The problem is that no matter what jokic does,no matter how great he plays...no matter how many triple doubles...etc etc people are always gonna come after him...poke holes in his game...just act like they cant believe how good this dude is,its okay to have that belief in yourself like dwight does but like Stephen says...WHY is he even bringing up jokic?jokic says nothing but good about other great players but some great players from ths past seem to have to voice their thoughts about HIM
No matter how garbage he is on defense, the same people that criticize the lack of defense in the league are also the ones meatriding jokic. The real question is why caucs feel like he's untouchable?
@@orochimaru3950 who?nobody was coming out the woodwork and saying he was better than lebron..comparing stats when they were younger etc etc ,if they were?I missed alot of it and they not poking holes in a players success like they doing jokic
Perk said “a lot of people” considered Dwight the best player in the league. Dwight was drafted in 2004. In 2004 Kobe was about 26yrs old, Tim Duncan was about 28yrs old and Bron (along with Melo and Wade)was drafted in 2003. There was NEVER a time in Dwight’s career when any significant amount of people considered Dwight better than Bron, Melo, Wade, prime Duncan and prime Kobe, so that was definitely a lie. Why is Perk still on the air? 🤣
@@SammyThomas-id2rv That’s not even the point though. Perk said that “a lot of people” considered Dwight the best player in the league and that’s just fiction.
Prime Howard was a defensive force of nature and easily one of the best rim defenders in history but he also played much more like a traditional center Jokic is so unique it’s hard to compare him to anyone but he has undoubtedly had a better career than Dwight
It’s actually crazy how people play down Jokic on defense just because he’s not a shot blocking big. He played amazing defence in the play offs at times. Is he the best? No, but the improvement he’s made over the last couple years has been incredible. He went from a defense liability to a pretty solid defender with quick hands that can get steals left right and centre.
Everyone had good defensive plays that’s just the name of the game but Jokic is not consistently good defender. In fact if he wasn’t so amazing offensively he would be unplayable considering how much of a liability he is on that end of the ball. Both ends of the ball matter but in this case you’re arguing elite Offensive Vs Elite defense.
Dwight Howard was an eight-time All-Star, eight-time All-NBA Team honoree, five-time All-Defensive Team member, and three-time Defensive Player of the Year and a champion. Prime Dwight was scary he should have been a Top 75 player. Jokic is in his prime right now no doubt but Prime Dwight was a force too.
facts man people got so much nostalgia bias cant call a spade a spade, should not be controversial in the slightest to say 2x mvp and reigning finals mvp is leaps and bounds over a prime dwight, who was on his part a dominant defensive anchor and freak athlete.
@@cwj_721Dwight played against Yao, Duncan, and many other bugs. Also played against Lebron & the late great Kobe. No way Howard was winning an mvp during those years. So you can’t use Jokic’s mvps against him it’s not a fair argument. Howard did get to the finals against Lebron btw and was very dominant
@@pinzytoto7698Embiid Gobert Bam is Weak now?😂😂 other way around Dwight’s Era was one of the Weakest for Centres other than Duncan and Yao there wasn’t as much Conp
Without Howard I dint think the lakers would have won that title in the bubble. He was giving jokic some problems. That's why they made him start over Magee.
AD for Dame.... PLEEEEEASSE.. LAKERS need someone hungry like Dame, Someone that has the hunger to win, who will workout in the offseason and whole summer even if it's just shooting.. I mean what are you getting paid for all those millions(I wish a murfuker would pay me millions to do something, I'd be using that money to sharpen those skills necessary, I mean you should at least have one of those portable basket hoop net & ring... That you can pay someone to hang it anywhere you travel to)
Dwight Howard during the his prime days in Orlando, was considered to be the best big man in the game. He went through the Boston Celtics big 3 and Lebron James to reach the Finals. If it was not for prime Kobe, we could be comparing that 09 year to Dirk's championship run with the Mavs.
@@user-qw8hu2gx9j janitors would imply lebron had to score 40+ every night for them to win which was not the case right? Of course his win shares and vorp would be much higher than theirs he’s the sole superstar in that team but if they were not janitors unless you’d also agree that the east was so weak that all it took was lebron essentially to beat these teams otherwise you have no right to call them plumber because all 14 of those plumbers would skunk you 1v1, didn’t know role players in a bad system that’s all it was, now if they were in the west that’s a first round exit
@@michaelhawkins8474Somebody had to say it! KG was injured, remember who the backup was…? Leon Powe lmao. So there, Dwight went up against a Celtics front court of Perkins and Power, wow…what a force
Jokic anticipatory awareness for the game and ability to pass and involve his teammates creates chemistry and confidence. Bruce brown signed a 45 million dollar contract because of Jokic didnt drown him out or limit him. Dwight Howard was not making or helping anyone ever to elevate their game nor was he passing like cousins or Jokic.
Prime Dwight from 2007-2011 players didn't have Contractual Influence and power like they do now so cant blame or compare Dwight in that aspect. and okay? he cant pass like Jokic but Jokic cant block shots like Dwight . see where im going with this ?
@@Coolranchfrito I see where you are going but Jokic is all around. Howard is one aspect only. Jokic is already a 2 time mvp finals mvp will probably dominate for the next decade. I appreciate Dwight Howard but team wise he is not a leader just a good addition.
@@pforiginallordofcrickets7703 Very All Around he is. But i disagree that D12 is one aspect only. 1 aspect only is a guy like Kyle Korver, literally All he does is shoot. Dwight in his prime had many aspects for a Center , Elite Shot Blocker is 1 . Dominant inside Scorer is 2 . Elite Re-bounder 3 and INSANE Athleticism Speed/Jumping/ Physique. But im not arguing whos better because i think Jokic has the edge. But i also disagree on D12 not being a leader. As for a vocal leader im not sure ? but he's lead by example on the court taking carrying his team to the Finals going through Big 3 Celtics and Cavs Lebron . (without Magics injured point guard Jameer Nelson). Some players like John Stockon lead by example but didnt say a word in the huddles really. But Dwight , im not sure if he was a vocal leader. i respect that analysis of yours though
Howard in the 2009 nba finals: 15 points per game while shooting 49 percent Pau Gasol in the 2009 nba finals: 19 points per game while shooting 60 percent And yet people are still fixated on the bubble jokic and not in this current iteration of jokic?? If Pau gasol can hold his own, then this current version of jokic definitely would get his
Fans stay bringing up the bubble which was not only a less version of the Jokic we see today but was a Dwight Howard who averaged like 20 minutes a game that series and ain’t have to be the leader.
@@HasanShah-wv2ywthank you Bynum and Odom don't get enough credit for their work. They only care about slandering people. 6'9 Dwight vs 6'10 Odom, 7'0 Gasol, and 7'0 Bynum. Yet people wanna cry about AD, old, McGee, and old Dwight
I'm not saying Howard is better than Jokic. However, to think he doesn't deserve a comparison is absolutely absurd and disrespectful. Everyone knows Howard should have been in the top 75 list. To say that a top 75 player in history can't be compared to Jokic is ridiculous. While Jokic may he superior to Howard on the offensive end, Howard was equally superior to Jokic on the defensive end. Dude averaged a double double 14 years in a freaking row on 60% shooting and nearly 3 blocks per game. Come on now.
Dwight Howard was a glorified Dikembe Mutombo that's it.Jokic is the better overall player by far.Jokic is top 25 all time,Dwight is top 75, no shame in that.
@@akshyadulal1455prime versus prime, Dwight was almost doubling Mutumbo's scoring average. Dwight was the best defender in the league, as well as Orlando's legitimate number one scoring option a significant amount of the time.
@@akshyadulal1455 Dwight beat prime Lebron in the ECF and lead a team to the finals, calling him glorified Dikembe Mutombo is just showing you didn’t watch basketball before 2011 lol
But it's true though. A lot of people said this. You simply don't know how dominant Dwight was if you think that's laughable. One on one in their primes Jokic might win, but honestly, he's not physical enough for Howard. It's not even close. They'll have trouble stopping each other, but I give a slight edge to Joker
@@p3rryn A slight edge? Man, the Joker could bring him out on the perimeter on every possession and either shoot or pass from there, he could live at the elbow and run the offence from there, he would negate Dwight even a chance to block or rebound. About the physical, the man is 280lbs and while he doesn't jump to save his life he can pivot and spin quite fast, as it's been said, it is not even close.
Dwight was in a era where B2b bigs was the spotlight. He was not encouraged to shoot 3s, and even later in his career he was told specifically not to shoot. The league is different now. Dwight dominated his era. Jokic is dominating his.
Dwight had no competition because when he was in his prime there was no bigs in the league, only Bynum from the lakers. And i remember in 2011 people were saying that Bynum is better then dwight.
Dwight did not dominate era. I think he could have been better in statwise but he never was great in that. He was sure really good but not great. His defence was great but Jokic would destroy Dwight too many areas.
People forget on how dominant and good Howard was especially back in Orlando . His comments are actually some what true , but then again you really can’t compare their games as they play totally different from each other.
@@LionelNkongho1987 on paper yes that’s true but on the court it isn’t true. Howard played a traditional center as Jokic plays positionless basketball. Hence my comment, you can’t compare the two.
The sad part is Dwight could have been even greater as a big. He had the tools at his disposal and even trained/got tips from legends like Hakeem, Kareem etc and still had limited offensive game. Strictly, offense it's obviously Jokic and Jokic has made some nice strides defensively over the yrs
He'd always acted as if his athleticism was never going to degrade, and thus never worked on any other skill-based aspects of his game that could have put him in the upper tier of all-time centers. He had an amazing peak, but once that physical capability began to decline and he couldn't fly around or push opponents in the paint, his value as a player fell off the cliff along with it. That's what separates the truly great players from the ones who are more like comets. Jokic was basically a mirror image as he matured--he had elite-level skills, but his athleticism is built around his body control, footwork, and his almost alien ability to make the game run at the pace he wants it to run, as opposed to simply being someone who's cut like a Greek god and can jump out of the gym.
Bruh yall forgot that the Orlando magic never put a 2nd superstar with him. His team was always role players. Put him on the Golden State Warriors in their Prime without KD and this conversation would be different
@@Dr.Think4Yourselfthe problem is do you think he wanna sacrifice himself doing pick & roll for Golden state warrior...Heck no...He the source of problem for Lakers(Kobe) for not doing that move...His inability to sacrifice for the team make him hard to a achieve greatness
I get everyone’s point, but we also need to be fair to Dwight in that the league changed while he was playing. If the league stayed the same, he would have been better for longer. When he was in Charlotte, he was still averaging like 17 and 13 with almost 2 blocks
I got a lot of problems with the way Stephn A does business, but him platforming Ice Cube while so many are trying to black ball him made me gain a new found respect for him
@joeldanker-dake9414 people like that dude hate and say the least intelligent thing, trolls could at least try a little. Facts, straight dogged those guys, and AD was Dominating everyone else defensively before jokic.
@@lake49 motherfucker im not a jokic hater, just because i said who ? Im a hater ! You glazers need to stop calling anyone who has a different opinion a hater, i actually have jokic ranked after kareem, shaq, bill russel, wilt and hakeem on the all time center list, im not a hater he ranked 7th best center all time already
Jokic has a style of play and greatness that is forcing everyone to re-evaluate their own paradigms and expectations on what it means to be "good" at basketball.
@@jdankerdake Bro Power Fowards back then , would be centers in todays league. Dwight had to touch the paint with guys like Dirk, Duncan,Garnet, Amare Stoudamire, Zach Randolph , AL Hordord, Al Jefferson, . ALL Heavy Hitters back in there day
@@Coolranchfritohuh? Dirk and Duncan were in the west. KG was injured in 09. Amare was in the west. Horford, Randolph, Jefferson….now you’re just trolling
If it wasn’t for Dwight shutting down the Joker then the lakers wouldn’t have won in the bubble. And when they played them again without Dwight, AD couldn’t do nothing with him.
D12 was a better defender but that's it. Dwight was athletic but that was the brunt of his offensive game. He didn't get the most out of his NBA career in my opinion.
Facts Dwight is a victim of being over-athletic and not having to work on his game during his prime.. He left alot on the table as a player... I also feel this way about Vince Carter
@@bigdicdaddy6042 breh putting up 16-20 pts with no 3... you for real about 5 of those pts are from ft and another 5 or so are from put backs/tip ins so that leaves him with like 6-10 pts of being able to score in the paint which is not impressive at all cuz his offensive bag wasnt that good... only thing dwight is better than jokic is defense and maybe rebounding but not by much
Ice cube making statements. He went from not getting coverage from mainstream media to now he’s on first take. He knows how powerful his voice is and he knows how to use it!
Howard has every right to think he is better than Jokic. That is the confidence he needed to be a NBA player. He is dead wrong but I applaud him for how highly he thinks of himself.
Just look at Dwight frame in Orlando compared to LA…. I did not realize he got that small but Orlando Dwight could actually bump with Jokic and keep him from getting inside so easily
that's what makes Jokic so good, he doesn't make it his mission to score. he keeps passing the ball so that his team isn't wasting their team moving off the ball. his guys are constantly cutting and making moves, dwight could guard and stop him from getting closer to the rim but Murray will just see Jokic as a screen and they'll start a pick n roll off that with Dwight looking useless.
That’s just not true. Dwight got cooked in the post in the finals by gasol, and honestly he isnt quick enough to deal with Jokics speed when he’s worried about the mid range. Dwight was never a great post defender, there just weren’t many post defenders for him to play back then.
Based on what I have seen Jokic has point Center type of skills. Just great hand-eye coordination. A little Pau Gasol, a little Larry Bird, a little Vlade Divac, a little Kevin McHale, a little Magic, a little Akeem, a little Dirk, a little Patrick Ewing. I don't really watch the NBA much now but I have seen some hilight clips.
Jokic is no Dwight either..They both are great at what they do..Dwight is clearly the better defender and rebounder while Jokic is the better shooter and passer
@@JonCom3dy that’s because Jokic does everything but that’s doesn’t mean he would dominate Dwight..Jokic would only give Dwight problems on the perimeter
@@shinsukecorbin425 And that math tells you something like 2:2, so it's even. Since Jokic is obviously much better player, we will give him such recognition just not to turn out completely stupid, but will still keep Dwight in the conversation with the story about defensive blocks and rebounds. That's the scenario you are following, ain't it?
People forget how good prime Dwight Howard was or just weren't old enough to be watching then. He was legitimately a top 3 player in the league, carried a Magic team with no other all-stars to the finals (Jameer was hurt).
Definitely wasn’t a top 3 player at that time, he wasn’t better than Lebron, Wade, Kobe, melo, Dirk etc. He is definitely a top 75 player of all time though.
@@jaydot4956That's honestly debatable. In late 00s, I'd say LeBron ascended to #1 and Kobe and Duncan were still in their prime. A lot of people had Dwight ahead of Wade, Dirk, and Melo. Those guys were better for longer though
@@brooksorlando4881 I remember Dwight being the best center because there wasn’t any other center to speak of at that time but I don’t remember anybody saying Dwight was better than Wade, if anything they used to always sh*t on Dwight because he wasn’t as dominant as Shaq was offensively.
Add might have beaten LA if it wasn't a fixed series. They didn't want him to beat Lebron either. But he did anyhow. That was the year they had the kobe and lebron Muppet dolls. The year kobe was supposed to play Lebron in the finals.
Shout outs to Stephen A for allowing Ice Cube the opportunity to speak about the Big 3. Ice cube just complained a few weeks ago how he felt that other orgs and complanies were placing a blockade on the big 3 As far as teh Dwight Howard vs Jokic thing i think Jokic's numbers ar infalated due to teh game changing and also teh dying breed of Centers. Jokic is teh biggest C in teh league i believe he also weights more than Embid but if not TEH 2ND BIGGEST. People forget DWight Howard was teh most dpminant Center at one point in time but he was never the biggest Center. he's kind of undersized standing at 6'9 (TRUE HEIGHT) guys like Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol, Shaq, Yao Ming were all taller/bigger than him.
ESPN fired a bunch of on-screen personalities but kept these 2? I'd listen to Kenyon Martin all day every day over these guys. Coolest voice, but also knows ball and doesnt try to make policitcal or emotional comments. He just says it how it is.
If prime Dwight and prime jokic went head to head I honestly dont know who would win. Dwight also got to the finals with some role players while getting past lebron and getting one game off the lakers
@@Zillamike21put Jokic on that team and they beat the lakers. Because he would be able actually pass to all the shooters they had. If you think howard is better than Jokic. Then you're either stupid or a racist. Nothing else would make sense 😂
I’m team Jokic all day. But if I were to make points for Dwight, it wouldn’t be based on individual and talent based because Jokic washes him. My counter would be that. ‘I was battling for MVP against Kobe, Lebron, D Wade’ and even though they’re not Centers. He could possibly say that he had to check KG and Tim. Other than that I’ve got Jokic all day. The defense thing isn’t even an argument bc Jokic plays such a team orientated way, his defense isn’t a detriment to his teams.
I'm playing devils advocate here, and I am with team jokic. Jokic had to battle MVP with an old LeBron(still in the convo), Luka, Embiid, Curry, Giannas, and Tatum.
@@kennynguyen5248 trust me I’m team Jokic too. I actually think he clears him but I’m trynna give Dwight his props. Dwights only case would be that, for the MVP, he competed against greater people all time. That’s all I’m giving him.
I love that Ice Cube started his big three tournament. And I come from Spokane, Washington, the home of John Stockton and the Gonzaga Bulldogs. In June 1990 we started the largest three on three basketball tournament in the world(HOOPFEST) and it just keeps growing. We get all kinds of NBA stars attending and it’s just an amazing event. By the way, back in May 1977 we started Bloomsday, which at one point was the largest timed road race in the world. Oh, and that little holiday called Father’s Day, that started here too. 😊
One can argue that Bubble Jokic wasn’t the mvp level of player he is today, and you could say that he was a baby, inexperienced jokic that had to go against a veteran Dwight Howard, prime Anthony Davis, and a veteran Javale McGee. Games were close too for a nuggets team that was inexperienced. Dwight was a beast in his prime, he had the body and athleticism, and instincts…but sadly he didn’t develop enough skills and basketball IQ to propel himself even to greater heights.
I’m not the biggest fan of DeWight either, but he was one of the best players in the league in his prime. Threes weren’t as much of thing either it’s not a landslide.
Bro, for like 3 years maybe and he was borderline top 5 and hardly top 3. He might be a top 50 player if you are very generous, Jokic is undoubtably top 25 and arguably top 20 so yeah Dwight was great, but it is a landslide if they are not really on the same tear of greatness
@@aaronphdbdnd5535Everyone in that league slow because they are old lol. This league is perfect for melo because all he has to do is score, ain’t nobody asking him to play defense.
I can’t believe this is even a debate. Their names shouldn’t even be in the same conversation. Jokic is one of the best players ever in any position. Forget about just centers. He’s dominating playing point center putting up easy triple dubs every night with some of the most efficient numbers ever. Jokic deserves to be in the conversation with the best to ever do it and they’re comparing him with Dwight Howard lmfao
The fact you’re disrespecting Dwight Howard like this is crazy. Howard is a first ballot hof, one of the best defenders in league history, he was first team all nba 5 times and was an 8 time all star
@@rayyanshabazz7466 Jokic is one of the best to ever play in the league. Any position. Dwight was an athletic defender who got overhyped as the next Shaq and failed to be anything even close to that. Mentally weak too. It is absolutely a disrespectful comparison. Jokic is a 3peat MVP and a finals MVP bro (we all know it’s 3 really) and he’s only just getting started. He’s nowhere near finished his career and it’s already way better lmao. It’s a laughable comparison.
Stephen A always figures out a way to change the narrative to protect his argument. The question was whose better in they’re primes? Not just offensively. Basketball isn’t just scoring on offense, you have to play defense. And Dwight Howard is easily one of the best bigs to ever play the game defensively. Now I’m not saying I’m taking Dwight over jokic but it’s much closer than Stephen A is portraying
Howard was my favorite center of all time besides shaq. But im still picking jokic tho. Depends on a team that will be built around them will be the winner. it's really unfair to dwight to be treated as fi he was a slouch bag compared to jokic smh
Did you watch the play in AD single handedly carry the play in Lakers to the West Finals? Or Was that just me? Secondly, AD can also score and shoot FTs. He's a much better player than Dwight.
@@ct7407 yes I watched AD play lmao. Dwight carried the ORLANDO MAGIC to the nba finals! AD plays every other game Dwight showed up every night. AD is not on prime Dwight’s level I hate to tell you.
Prime Dwight vs Prime Jokic would be something. Jokic is great on offense because of his passing ability. That opens up everything else for him. If we're talking about Jokic vs Dwight and Jokic absolutely has to get a bucket, I'm not so convinced I'm taking Jokic.
Both Dwight and Joker are great but in their own ways. Same position but totally different styles of play. Pick who you’d want on your team at the end of the day.
@@TreyJaySoSway well i never downplayed Joker lol. I personally would have Joker over Dwight lol. I’m giving both of them their flowers pal. But it is worth mentioning that Dwight with that Orlando team was a monster defensively and it’s never talked about because he didn’t win a chip with them.
@@mahvzilla i only think you downplayed Jokic bc you’re trying to compare him with Dwight. You’re acting like it’s a 50/50 pick ‘em, which is disrespectful to Jokic IMO. Dwight had 0 MVPs and 0 FMVP. Jokic has 3 of those combined… it’s seriously not even a debate, Jokic should be picked over Dwight 100 times out of 100. I like that your giving Dwight his props but he should never be compared to Jokic. Jokic is breaking NBA records left, right, and center. He just became the first player in a Postseason to lead in every Major statistic; points, rebounds, AND ASSITS! The value difference between Jokic and Dwight is night and day ! That’s why i find it disrespectful to Jokic that your comparing him to a player that has never even won a MVP in the regular or Finals… Jokic has done both and has done it consecutively! Sorry for the rant lol 😆 but Dwight should be compared to guys like Mutumbo or Alonzo Mourning. (Dwight is obvi better than both) but Definitely not a multiple time MVP player like Joker
@@TreyJaySoSway haha your rant was good, I appreciated it. But it seems we’re both on the same page and we can agree that these two guys shouldn’t even be compared to each other lol
Perk made a great point as far as Dwight Howard in the era he played!! A lot of people overlooked that because of that beef he had with Kobe Bryant when he was on the Lakers!!! Now with that being said, Offensively, Jokic is better by a landslide because he can do a lot more with it compared to Dwight!!!
How poor is your english comprehension ? Howard was talking about offense. "Obviously, people going to say Jokic can score," Howard said. "He got all those offensive skills. But at the same time, I was getting 38 and 20, 45-18, 19, 20, and I'm doing all this with twos. "No threes, all twos. I'm doing this with lobs. I'm not getting a lot of post-up attempts like Jokic. He's getting way more opportunities."
"How good is my English comprehension?" Can you please time stamp that quote of Howard shown in that video?" So I can improve my English comprehension. Cool that u posted the actual quote. But it's no where to be found in the video.
Dwight Howard was a ridiculous athletic talent that never lived up to his potential offensively. I sincerely thought he was the next Shaq but he couldn't score outside dunking.
He wasn't nearly as big as Shaq. Howard was really like 6'8 210. But forced himself to gain weight but it wasn't good on his back or legs. His genetics couldn't carry as much muscle as he tried to put on. He was really just a more hyped Kevin Willis. There is no way Howard would play Center in the 80's. He would be a PF and probably a back up cause he can't hit the open 12 foot shot.
Throw some respect on Dwight Howard's name! Prime Howard was a dominant defensive player and rebounder who took his team to one NBA finals and beat Lebron in the playoffs that year to get there! Dude will be in the Hall of Fame!
@@philb.1502 I would say the same if Howard compared himself to Wilt, Kareem or Hakeem. How about, don't compare yourself at all? Others are supposed to do that. And to answer your first question, with his 2 MVPS and 1 for finals, Jokic could easily be up there with them when his career is done. Dwight has no chance. At least agree with that.
Dwight was a beast around the basket. But no way Dwight could guard the 3-point line, or handle the endless fakes, spin moves, and passing. Jokic would make him look foolish. Likely foul him out.
for the people who want to say the eras were different put prime Dwight in the NBA today, is he all of sudden not going to have horrible touch around the rim ?? is he all of sudden not going to be a 56% free throw shooter ??? would he hit middys and 3’s if he played in this era ??? like STOP 😂
Dwight had touch around the rim. His problem was when you gave him the ball on the low block he didn’t have the moves to consistently get to the front of the rim in the half court
Perk racist hating on Jokic is well documented. Got exposed by JJ on the panel live. The only reason he still have a job is because of blind fans like you sir or madam whoever may be.
When dwight was in orlando the magic were feared around the league i miss prime d12 orlando has not been respected since d12 got traded i wish he would come back and end his career where it started
It’s not just an edge. Dwight Howard was leaps and bounds better defensively. It’s just that jokic is so much better offensively that it overshadows that
@@DannyWoodhead-tw7pl Well yeah, I never said he's better overall. Jokic is still a way better post player offensively, scorer and playmaker and has better basketball IQ. Although my point is I think we should give Dwight a little bit of credit though. Most kids commenting on here don't know Dwight in his prime.
@@nikolayjerev9285 Two things. 1. Did I say Dwight was a better player? We know Jokic is better overall. You don't need to be that defensive about it. 2. You know athleticism is more than just jumping. Running, quickness, strength, endurance, footwork... They all don't count for athleticism then?
I dont agree with Stephen A on this one. I think Dwight meant overall as a player, not just offensively. Theres two sides to the game and both are equally as important. There's truth in both what Perk and Stephen A was saying, I'd go Nikola all day, but to say Dwight wasn't even close AS A PLAYER is a wild and illegitimate statement.
Jokic gets the same disrespect Bird used to get sometimes. I think what annoys guys like Dwight and some fans is that a guy can dominate the game without having insane athleticism. Guess what, a measure of how good a basketball player is totality of how they impact the game.
How Perk kept his job at ESPN is beyond me 😂
Because he knows basketball.
He bring controversy and brings views
How do you keep your job? Why is his job status important to you?
A panel needs to be a rainbow to appeal to different demographics. There aren't many former players that can speak in complete sentences and be seen as authentic black. I'm not being racist - even Shaq called Curry out for his pigment on TNT once. There's a reason they were pushing for Nichols to be replaced on the Finals all those years ago and it didn't have much to do with talent
Lol he started off by grunting
I can't believe that people are debating whether Dwight is better than Jokic when we just witnessed a man who broke records in a playoff run and put Wilt like numbers. He has been consistent over the past three years and now that he played with a healthy squad, they only lost like 5 games in the entire playoffs season. C'mon now.
Anyone who thinks howard better then jokic just a moron who knows nothing about basketball.
he ain't BLM
Dwight cannot make a free throw I hated it when he was on the Rockets they would just foul him every time and he would miss a free throw every single time
This is why ESPN is in the state that its in. They have no topic to discuss that its worth listening too, worth thinking about.... they have loads of "who cares" topics.
Wilt number minus defense. Which is half the game lmao.
I was a Dwight fan. He was athletic, he was a raw talent. But he’s no Jokic. Jokic has pretty much an all around game. He can pass, he can shoot, he has the IQ, the drive, the work ethic, and most importantly, he has a solid bond with teammates and staff. So next time Dwight decides to compare himself to any other player, he needs to make sure he’s not under the influence.
😅what
Dwight Howard was one of the reason why lakers beat them 2 years ago,
Jokic is only offensive he’s not defensive by any means so he’s not all around
@@bdavis9197 two years ago before they had the roster they do now and the experience. You think a rookie Jamal Murray was gonna go all the way to the chip with Joking? Get real.
@TsuperSaiyan Jokic had the 9th best Defensive Rating in the league this season. He also lead all centers in steals (which are more impactful than blocks).
lets put it this way. Kobe would NEVER call Jokic SOFT. But you know who he called SOFT
Kobe ain’t god lol
@@cordelegeorgia7985 But he definitely speaks facts about overgrown men with little pin heads who smile too much
Bruh, they was calling Jokic soft in the Bubble.
@@chickhearn4ever779 saying somebody smiles too much is ode and you don’t know what bean would say shut up
@@rickwild Who is "they"? cromagnons with hair paint?
The problem is that no matter what jokic does,no matter how great he plays...no matter how many triple doubles...etc etc people are always gonna come after him...poke holes in his game...just act like they cant believe how good this dude is,its okay to have that belief in yourself like dwight does but like Stephen says...WHY is he even bringing up jokic?jokic says nothing but good about other great players but some great players from ths past seem to have to voice their thoughts about HIM
You mean morons, not fans 💯😂
No matter how garbage he is on defense, the same people that criticize the lack of defense in the league are also the ones meatriding jokic. The real question is why caucs feel like he's untouchable?
They did it to LeBron. Excuse me..... they're doing it to LeBron.
@@orochimaru3950 who?nobody was coming out the woodwork and saying he was better than lebron..comparing stats when they were younger etc etc ,if they were?I missed alot of it and they not poking holes in a players success like they doing jokic
@@lagosfury5142they do it to everyone successful…
Perk said “a lot of people” considered Dwight the best player in the league.
Dwight was drafted in 2004. In 2004 Kobe was about 26yrs old, Tim Duncan was about 28yrs old and Bron (along with Melo and Wade)was drafted in 2003. There was NEVER a time in Dwight’s career when any significant amount of people considered Dwight better than Bron, Melo, Wade, prime Duncan and prime Kobe, so that was definitely a lie.
Why is Perk still on the air? 🤣
Never have I heard he was close to the best his Defense & Rebs & Blks was good
I’m convinced he’s glazing the right people at ESPN. Dude has the worst takes.
LOL. Jokic wouldn't be considered better than any of those guys in their primes either except for Carmelo.
@@SammyThomas-id2rv That’s not even the point though. Perk said that “a lot of people” considered Dwight the best player in the league and that’s just fiction.
He was getting first place mvp votes though
Prime Howard was a defensive force of nature and easily one of the best rim defenders in history but he also played much more like a traditional center
Jokic is so unique it’s hard to compare him to anyone but he has undoubtedly had a better career than Dwight
wow
not really, gobert is better defensively but no one give gobert his props. dwight cant defend skilled big. pau torch him in the finals
Comparable to Tim Duncan. But media love to Compare by skin and not skill.
@@keltners613Yea Gobert gets disrespected too often but give Dwight he props too
You talkin' about defense?RODMAN.
It’s actually crazy how people play down Jokic on defense just because he’s not a shot blocking big. He played amazing defence in the play offs at times. Is he the best? No, but the improvement he’s made over the last couple years has been incredible. He went from a defense liability to a pretty solid defender with quick hands that can get steals left right and centre.
Everyone had good defensive plays that’s just the name of the game but Jokic is not consistently good defender. In fact if he wasn’t so amazing offensively he would be unplayable considering how much of a liability he is on that end of the ball.
Both ends of the ball matter but in this case you’re arguing elite Offensive Vs Elite defense.
@@tysonyett6567unplayable is ridiculous
he is trash on defense. but he is so great.
Jokic is trash😂😂😂😂
He's a terrible defender. Let's not lie about that. He is, however, FAR better than Dwight Howard overall.
Dwight Howard was an eight-time All-Star, eight-time All-NBA Team honoree, five-time All-Defensive Team member, and three-time Defensive Player of the Year and a champion. Prime Dwight was scary he should have been a Top 75 player. Jokic is in his prime right now no doubt but Prime Dwight was a force too.
One actually won MVPs and FMVPs while just starting his prime
Prime dwight was trash just a strong athlete not a real hooper😭💯🤙🏿
@@paquinraino8180jokic has been in his prime for 4 years bro keep up
@@Dipset415is that how he carried the magic to the finals?
Very well said. @habavdekar
Two things can be true:
Dwight Howard was a beast in his prime.
Nikola jokic is so much better then Dwight lol come on now
😂😂😂😂 dude what year where you born
facts man people got so much nostalgia bias cant call a spade a spade, should not be controversial in the slightest to say 2x mvp and reigning finals mvp is leaps and bounds over a prime dwight, who was on his part a dominant defensive anchor and freak athlete.
@@cwj_721Dwight played against Yao, Duncan, and many other bugs. Also played against Lebron & the late great Kobe. No way Howard was winning an mvp during those years. So you can’t use Jokic’s mvps against him it’s not a fair argument. Howard did get to the finals against Lebron btw and was very dominant
Prime dwight would lock up Jocic. He was a defensive beast. Jocic is in one of the weakest all time eras for centre's.
@@pinzytoto7698Embiid Gobert Bam is Weak now?😂😂 other way around Dwight’s Era was one of the Weakest for Centres other than Duncan and Yao there wasn’t as much Conp
Without Howard I dint think the lakers would have won that title in the bubble. He was giving jokic some problems. That's why they made him start over Magee.
AD for Dame.... PLEEEEEASSE.. LAKERS need someone hungry like Dame, Someone that has the hunger to win, who will workout in the offseason and whole summer even if it's just shooting.. I mean what are you getting paid for all those millions(I wish a murfuker would pay me millions to do something, I'd be using that money to sharpen those skills necessary, I mean you should at least have one of those portable basket hoop net & ring... That you can pay someone to hang it anywhere you travel to)
@@everythingclub599No!
Exactly. Howard literally shut him down.
🎯🎯🎯🎯
That bubble ring don’t count 😂
Dwight Howard during the his prime days in Orlando, was considered to be the best big man in the game. He went through the Boston Celtics big 3 and Lebron James to reach the Finals. If it was not for prime Kobe, we could be comparing that 09 year to Dirk's championship run with the Mavs.
Can’t agree more definitely top 3 playoff runs!
No sir he didn’t go against the full Boston big 3 KG was hurt which gave them the advantage
@@user-qw8hu2gx9jdam a so lebron was playing 1v5 all the way to the conference finals huh?
@@user-qw8hu2gx9j janitors would imply lebron had to score 40+ every night for them to win which was not the case right? Of course his win shares and vorp would be much higher than theirs he’s the sole superstar in that team but if they were not janitors unless you’d also agree that the east was so weak that all it took was lebron essentially to beat these teams otherwise you have no right to call them plumber because all 14 of those plumbers would skunk you 1v1, didn’t know role players in a bad system that’s all it was, now if they were in the west that’s a first round exit
@@michaelhawkins8474Somebody had to say it! KG was injured, remember who the backup was…? Leon Powe lmao. So there, Dwight went up against a Celtics front court of Perkins and Power, wow…what a force
Jokic anticipatory awareness for the game and ability to pass and involve his teammates creates chemistry and confidence.
Bruce brown signed a 45 million dollar contract because of Jokic didnt drown him out or limit him.
Dwight Howard was not making or helping anyone ever to elevate their game nor was he passing like cousins or Jokic.
Thats a good point
Prime Dwight from 2007-2011 players didn't have Contractual Influence and power like they do now so cant blame or compare Dwight in that aspect. and okay? he cant pass like Jokic but Jokic cant block shots like Dwight . see where im going with this ?
@@Coolranchfrito I see where you are going but Jokic is all around.
Howard is one aspect only.
Jokic is already a 2 time mvp finals mvp will probably dominate for the next decade.
I appreciate Dwight Howard but team wise he is not a leader just a good addition.
@@pforiginallordofcrickets7703 Very All Around he is. But i disagree that D12 is one aspect only. 1 aspect only is a guy like Kyle Korver, literally All he does is shoot. Dwight in his prime had many aspects for a Center , Elite Shot Blocker is 1 . Dominant inside Scorer is 2 . Elite Re-bounder 3 and INSANE Athleticism Speed/Jumping/ Physique. But im not arguing whos better because i think Jokic has the edge. But i also disagree on D12 not being a leader. As for a vocal leader im not sure ? but he's lead by example on the court taking carrying his team to the Finals going through Big 3 Celtics and Cavs Lebron . (without Magics injured point guard Jameer Nelson). Some players like John Stockon lead by example but didnt say a word in the huddles really. But Dwight , im not sure if he was a vocal leader. i respect that analysis of yours though
SAS be careful ESPN is firing like crazy Dwight Howard might end up on live telling you come to Taiwan 😂😂😂
Lmao Dwight would really do that
ESPN DOESNT STAY #1 WITHOUT SAS NOT EVEN MCAFEE CAN SAVE THEM IF HE LEAVE
SAS isn't going anywhere.
😂😂
Dwight Howard: Stephen A Smith...COME ON!😂😂😂
Dwight Howard is one of the few centers that can actually defend Jokic. Basketball is a two way game. Both players were/are impactful
No, not 1 on 1. Especially the Jokic now. His playmaking and scoring would dismantle Dwight
@@MannyParadisee still its dwight having the best chance to restrict Jokic in today's game, nobody else have the defense,.
@@markfish1113🤡
Howard in the 2009 nba finals: 15 points per game while shooting 49 percent
Pau Gasol in the 2009 nba finals: 19 points per game while shooting 60 percent
And yet people are still fixated on the bubble jokic and not in this current iteration of jokic?? If Pau gasol can hold his own, then this current version of jokic definitely would get his
Fans stay bringing up the bubble which was not only a less version of the Jokic we see today but was a Dwight Howard who averaged like 20 minutes a game that series and ain’t have to be the leader.
you realize howard played against 2 7 footers at the same time right?
@@HasanShah-wv2ywthank you Bynum and Odom don't get enough credit for their work. They only care about slandering people. 6'9 Dwight vs 6'10 Odom, 7'0 Gasol, and 7'0 Bynum. Yet people wanna cry about AD, old, McGee, and old Dwight
@@HasanShah-wv2ywso was Jokic in the bubble, could even say three if we count McGee
@@HasanShah-wv2yw Yao also dominated Howard every time they matched up. Everyone criticized Howard for having no post moves back then.
I’m glad they showing Love to the BIG3 !!!!!
Somebody should, nobody watching that mess
I love how every ex - player says the league became soft immediately following their era, doesn’t matter the era.
Ice cube always looks like he’s skeptical about people. Lol he’s never overly excited
He's been like that since the Friday movies lol
I'm not saying Howard is better than Jokic. However, to think he doesn't deserve a comparison is absolutely absurd and disrespectful. Everyone knows Howard should have been in the top 75 list. To say that a top 75 player in history can't be compared to Jokic is ridiculous. While Jokic may he superior to Howard on the offensive end, Howard was equally superior to Jokic on the defensive end. Dude averaged a double double 14 years in a freaking row on 60% shooting and nearly 3 blocks per game. Come on now.
Facts
Dwight Howard was a top 3 player in the NBA in his prime, he 100% deserves to be in this convo
Dwight Howard was a glorified Dikembe Mutombo that's it.Jokic is the better overall player by far.Jokic is top 25 all time,Dwight is top 75, no shame in that.
@@akshyadulal1455prime versus prime, Dwight was almost doubling Mutumbo's scoring average. Dwight was the best defender in the league, as well as Orlando's legitimate number one scoring option a significant amount of the time.
@@akshyadulal1455 Dwight beat prime Lebron in the ECF and lead a team to the finals, calling him glorified Dikembe Mutombo is just showing you didn’t watch basketball before 2011 lol
6:29 “they’re small, where they need to be big” ayoo pause lol
Bro I'm SCREAMING at Stephen A's face at 11:16 when Perkins said that Dwight best player comment. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
But it's true though. A lot of people said this. You simply don't know how dominant Dwight was if you think that's laughable. One on one in their primes Jokic might win, but honestly, he's not physical enough for Howard. It's not even close. They'll have trouble stopping each other, but I give a slight edge to Joker
@@p3rrynDwight Howard was never considered the best player in the league. He wasn't even the best center in the league until Yao retired lol
@@p3rryn A slight edge? Man, the Joker could bring him out on the perimeter on every possession and either shoot or pass from there, he could live at the elbow and run the offence from there, he would negate Dwight even a chance to block or rebound.
About the physical, the man is 280lbs and while he doesn't jump to save his life he can pivot and spin quite fast, as it's been said, it is not even close.
@@slivovitz1683you sound dumb asf and obviously know nothing about basketball
@@slivovitz1683Prime Yao isn't better than Prime Dwight. You mfs are 🤡's
Dwight was in a era where B2b bigs was the spotlight. He was not encouraged to shoot 3s, and even later in his career he was told specifically not to shoot. The league is different now. Dwight dominated his era. Jokic is dominating his.
Because he couldn’t shoot he couldn’t dribble with hood handles and all he had was a big body
Dwight had no competition because when he was in his prime there was no bigs in the league, only Bynum from the lakers. And i remember in 2011 people were saying that Bynum is better then dwight.
Dwight did not dominate era. I think he could have been better in statwise but he never was great in that. He was sure really good but not great. His defence was great but Jokic would destroy Dwight too many areas.
It's not that he wasn't encouraged he couldn't shoot regardless of the style of the game dude couldn't hit his free throws.
Dwight had no post moves or really any offensive moves but he was freakishly athletic
People forget on how dominant and good Howard was especially back in Orlando . His comments are actually some what true , but then again you really can’t compare their games as they play totally different from each other.
They are both centers
@@LionelNkongho1987 on paper yes that’s true but on the court it isn’t true. Howard played a traditional center as Jokic plays positionless basketball. Hence my comment, you can’t compare the two.
The sad part is Dwight could have been even greater as a big. He had the tools at his disposal and even trained/got tips from legends like Hakeem, Kareem etc and still had limited offensive game. Strictly, offense it's obviously Jokic and Jokic has made some nice strides defensively over the yrs
Too me also Dwight never reach the potential what i expect him.
He'd always acted as if his athleticism was never going to degrade, and thus never worked on any other skill-based aspects of his game that could have put him in the upper tier of all-time centers. He had an amazing peak, but once that physical capability began to decline and he couldn't fly around or push opponents in the paint, his value as a player fell off the cliff along with it. That's what separates the truly great players from the ones who are more like comets. Jokic was basically a mirror image as he matured--he had elite-level skills, but his athleticism is built around his body control, footwork, and his almost alien ability to make the game run at the pace he wants it to run, as opposed to simply being someone who's cut like a Greek god and can jump out of the gym.
Bruh yall forgot that the Orlando magic never put a 2nd superstar with him. His team was always role players. Put him on the Golden State Warriors in their Prime without KD and this conversation would be different
@@Dr.Think4Yourselfthe problem is do you think he wanna sacrifice himself doing pick & roll for Golden state warrior...Heck no...He the source of problem for Lakers(Kobe) for not doing that move...His inability to sacrifice for the team make him hard to a achieve greatness
I get everyone’s point, but we also need to be fair to Dwight in that the league changed while he was playing. If the league stayed the same, he would have been better for longer. When he was in Charlotte, he was still averaging like 17 and 13 with almost 2 blocks
Perk if you hate Jokic just say that man 😂
Most definitely does, always has something to negative to say about Jokic🤦♂️
He's racist af I don't care what anyone says
bruh you can see it in his face when Jokic name comes up 😂😂…nie that statement about shinning the shoes perc definitely couldnt😂😂
@@Rams8148you can dislike someone without being racist so i dont agree with that
He hates White people.
I got a lot of problems with the way Stephn A does business, but him platforming Ice Cube while so many are trying to black ball him made me gain a new found respect for him
Jokic just got done SMASHING some of the most prolific defensive bigs as if they didn't exist.
And avg a triple double throughout the playoffs
Who? Deandre ayton? Day to dayvis?
@joeldanker-dake9414 people like that dude hate and say the least intelligent thing, trolls could at least try a little. Facts, straight dogged those guys, and AD was Dominating everyone else defensively before jokic.
@@lake49 motherfucker im not a jokic hater, just because i said who ? Im a hater ! You glazers need to stop calling anyone who has a different opinion a hater, i actually have jokic ranked after kareem, shaq, bill russel, wilt and hakeem on the all time center list, im not a hater he ranked 7th best center all time already
@@lake49 who did AD dominate in the first 2 rounds, he played against jaren jackson and xavier tillman, then kevvon looney who cant score a bucket
Jokic has a style of play and greatness that is forcing everyone to re-evaluate their own paradigms and expectations on what it means to be "good" at basketball.
Relax bro lol
Jokic doesn’t face any bigs!
@@BlameItOnTheLagTTVbut he's saying the truth tho
@@jdankerdake Bro Power Fowards back then , would be centers in todays league. Dwight had to touch the paint with guys like Dirk, Duncan,Garnet, Amare Stoudamire, Zach Randolph , AL Hordord, Al Jefferson, . ALL Heavy Hitters back in there day
@@Coolranchfritohuh? Dirk and Duncan were in the west. KG was injured in 09. Amare was in the west. Horford, Randolph, Jefferson….now you’re just trolling
If it wasn’t for Dwight shutting down the Joker then the lakers wouldn’t have won in the bubble. And when they played them again without Dwight, AD couldn’t do nothing with him.
Nikola got 2 mvps and a finals mvp 😂😂😂😂😂
Should've been 3
Because nba is rigged
@@rayy180moron
Jokic is called the Joker while Dwight Howard is just joking.😂😂😂
That corny
You’re literally so lame.
Cmone erica.. dwight is unstoppable during his prime..
Ice Cube should be the Lakers GM no cap... He just highlighted nobody else other than myself saying we need more centers
D12 was a better defender but that's it.
Dwight was athletic but that was the brunt of his offensive game. He didn't get the most out of his NBA career in my opinion.
He put up numbers with no 3 pointer all in the paint
Jokic only better offensively, basketball is both ways....Dwight style locks up guys like jokic, he locked up jokic during the bubble.
Facts Dwight is a victim of being over-athletic and not having to work on his game during his prime.. He left alot on the table as a player... I also feel this way about Vince Carter
@@necallijones2790 I definitely agree!
@@bigdicdaddy6042 breh putting up 16-20 pts with no 3... you for real about 5 of those pts are from ft and another 5 or so are from put backs/tip ins so that leaves him with like 6-10 pts of being able to score in the paint which is not impressive at all cuz his offensive bag wasnt that good... only thing dwight is better than jokic is defense and maybe rebounding but not by much
Ice cube making statements. He went from not getting coverage from mainstream media to now he’s on first take. He knows how powerful his voice is and he knows how to use it!
wat? ur in a cave?
Howard has every right to think he is better than Jokic. That is the confidence he needed to be a NBA player. He is dead wrong but I applaud him for how highly he thinks of himself.
Just look at Dwight frame in Orlando compared to LA…. I did not realize he got that small but Orlando Dwight could actually bump with Jokic and keep him from getting inside so easily
that's what makes Jokic so good, he doesn't make it his mission to score. he keeps passing the ball so that his team isn't wasting their team moving off the ball. his guys are constantly cutting and making moves, dwight could guard and stop him from getting closer to the rim but Murray will just see Jokic as a screen and they'll start a pick n roll off that with Dwight looking useless.
@@GGtheRealestDwight played amazing against jokic while being out of his prime
😂😂😂
That’s just not true. Dwight got cooked in the post in the finals by gasol, and honestly he isnt quick enough to deal with Jokics speed when he’s worried about the mid range. Dwight was never a great post defender, there just weren’t many post defenders for him to play back then.
@@rayyanshabazz7466jokic was barely a star…
Thank you perk for giving Dwight his flowers people throw dirt on his name all the time should’ve made top 75
Perk only gave Dwight his flowers because he's been racist against Jokic since forever. 🤣
Based on what I have seen Jokic has point Center type of skills. Just great hand-eye coordination. A little Pau Gasol, a little Larry Bird, a little Vlade Divac, a little Kevin McHale, a little Magic, a little Akeem, a little Dirk, a little Patrick Ewing. I don't really watch the NBA much now but I have seen some hilight clips.
Good move Ice Cube. Always like this brother, always positive.
Dwight was snubbed from the top 75 list but he’s no Jokic.
Jokic is no Dwight either..They both are great at what they do..Dwight is clearly the better defender and rebounder while Jokic is the better shooter and passer
@@shinsukecorbin425 fair. But a finals mvp and two MVPs trumps 3x DPOY imo
@@JonCom3dy that’s because Jokic does everything but that’s doesn’t mean he would dominate Dwight..Jokic would only give Dwight problems on the perimeter
@@shinsukecorbin425 And that math tells you something like 2:2, so it's even. Since Jokic is obviously much better player, we will give him such recognition just not to turn out completely stupid, but will still keep Dwight in the conversation with the story about defensive blocks and rebounds. That's the scenario you are following, ain't it?
I think prime Dwight howard’s DEFENSE would be the hardest challenge Jokic would’ve had to deal with but overall Jokic is better
Well he already shot over kat and Rudy so na he's prime defense game woukd have been nothing
People forget how good prime Dwight Howard was or just weren't old enough to be watching then. He was legitimately a top 3 player in the league, carried a Magic team with no other all-stars to the finals (Jameer was hurt).
Definitely wasn’t a top 3 player at that time, he wasn’t better than Lebron, Wade, Kobe, melo, Dirk etc. He is definitely a top 75 player of all time though.
@@jaydot4956That's honestly debatable. In late 00s, I'd say LeBron ascended to #1 and Kobe and Duncan were still in their prime. A lot of people had Dwight ahead of Wade, Dirk, and Melo. Those guys were better for longer though
@@brooksorlando4881 I remember Dwight being the best center because there wasn’t any other center to speak of at that time but I don’t remember anybody saying Dwight was better than Wade, if anything they used to always sh*t on Dwight because he wasn’t as dominant as Shaq was offensively.
He beat Lebron in the eastern conference finals
Add might have beaten LA if it wasn't a fixed series. They didn't want him to beat Lebron either. But he did anyhow. That was the year they had the kobe and lebron Muppet dolls. The year kobe was supposed to play Lebron in the finals.
😂😂 11:17 The reaction from SAS is PRICELESS!
Yo Stephen a smiths face at 11:17 got me crying 😂
Its why i saved this video and come back to it just to see that 😂😂
Stephen A for the first time is being a huge prisoner of the moment, prime D12 was that guy, so too say it’s a land slide is just crazy
Shout outs to Stephen A for allowing Ice Cube the opportunity to speak about the Big 3. Ice cube just complained a few weeks ago how he felt that other orgs and complanies were placing a blockade on the big 3
As far as teh Dwight Howard vs Jokic thing i think Jokic's numbers ar infalated due to teh game changing and also teh dying breed of Centers. Jokic is teh biggest C in teh league i believe he also weights more than Embid but if not TEH 2ND BIGGEST. People forget DWight Howard was teh most dpminant Center at one point in time but he was never the biggest Center. he's kind of undersized standing at 6'9 (TRUE HEIGHT) guys like Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol, Shaq, Yao Ming were all taller/bigger than him.
He didn't talk about how the NBA trying to block the big 3 .ESPN ain't having it 😂
He did have that look like ninja you asking me about big 3 knowing your bosses are baller blockin
What is Big 3? Never heard about it here in Finland.
@@harrikuusjarvi3795 3 vs 3 basketball league created by Ice Cube featuring former NBA players
You seem to be fighting the word "the"
What’s up Cube Legend !!!🎉♥️👑💳💵✊🏾love you for life legend !!
ESPN fired a bunch of on-screen personalities but kept these 2? I'd listen to Kenyon Martin all day every day over these guys. Coolest voice, but also knows ball and doesnt try to make policitcal or emotional comments. He just says it how it is.
Dwight Is so underrated its rediculous
Dwight Howard , has played Jokic better than anyone else in the past 3 seasons..... Remember he shut Jokic down in the bubble🤫🤫🤫🤫
Imagine if Jokic and Kobe were on the same team. Come on Dwight, stop it!
He had shaq and was more dominant than Kobe when they was together. Exactly why Shaq got those MVP’s 🤦🏾♂️
Nothin !
@@sjrahrico Shaq was better than Dwight also.
But imagine jokic gets those injuries as well
Sound stupid, different area. Yea Jokic wouldn’t even have the ball and Dwight would still shyt because of Kobe. Joker would be another Pau Gasol
Nikola Jokic has averaged 16.8 points, 9.8 rebounds and 5.4 assists in 13 games versus Dwight Howard in his career
Big difference than the over all stats. That kind of defense against Jokic mean no championship for Denver.
@@DJ_Psi-CloneJokic is not the same player than 3 years ago he not averaged over 20 until his mvp season
Vs old dwight
If prime Dwight and prime jokic went head to head I honestly dont know who would win. Dwight also got to the finals with some role players while getting past lebron and getting one game off the lakers
U put Jokic on that magic team they woulda got swept by the Lakers
Dwight howard played with the deepest team in the entire league that you what are you idiots even going on about lol
@@Zillamike21put Jokic on that team and they beat the lakers. Because he would be able actually pass to all the shooters they had. If you think howard is better than Jokic. Then you're either stupid or a racist. Nothing else would make sense 😂
Im so so happy they’re showing love to the BIG3. Adam silver will hate this LOL.
I’m team Jokic all day. But if I were to make points for Dwight, it wouldn’t be based on individual and talent based because Jokic washes him.
My counter would be that. ‘I was battling for MVP against Kobe, Lebron, D Wade’ and even though they’re not Centers. He could possibly say that he had to check KG and Tim. Other than that I’ve got Jokic all day. The defense thing isn’t even an argument bc Jokic plays such a team orientated way, his defense isn’t a detriment to his teams.
I'm playing devils advocate here, and I am with team jokic.
Jokic had to battle MVP with an old LeBron(still in the convo), Luka, Embiid, Curry, Giannas, and Tatum.
@@kennynguyen5248 trust me I’m team Jokic too. I actually think he clears him but I’m trynna give Dwight his props. Dwights only case would be that, for the MVP, he competed against greater people all time. That’s all I’m giving him.
I love that Ice Cube started his big three tournament. And I come from Spokane, Washington, the home of John Stockton and the Gonzaga Bulldogs. In June 1990 we started the largest three on three basketball tournament in the world(HOOPFEST) and it just keeps growing. We get all kinds of NBA stars attending and it’s just an amazing event. By the way, back in May 1977 we started Bloomsday, which at one point was the largest timed road race in the world. Oh, and that little holiday called Father’s Day, that started here too. 😊
Different eras.. but for history,we can see the series between them in 2020
One can argue that Bubble Jokic wasn’t the mvp level of player he is today, and you could say that he was a baby, inexperienced jokic that had to go against a veteran Dwight Howard, prime Anthony Davis, and a veteran Javale McGee. Games were close too for a nuggets team that was inexperienced. Dwight was a beast in his prime, he had the body and athleticism, and instincts…but sadly he didn’t develop enough skills and basketball IQ to propel himself even to greater heights.
I’m not the biggest fan of DeWight either, but he was one of the best players in the league in his prime. Threes weren’t as much of thing either it’s not a landslide.
Bro, for like 3 years maybe and he was borderline top 5 and hardly top 3. He might be a top 50 player if you are very generous, Jokic is undoubtably top 25 and arguably top 20 so yeah Dwight was great, but it is a landslide if they are not really on the same tear of greatness
Howard was a beast, let's not take that from him, you'll took everything else, give him his flowers
I'd Love to see Carmelo Anthony on the *Big 3* ... one of the Ultimate one on one player's 💪🏽🏀
Melo wouldn't even need teammates. He never had a shot he didn't like.
I dunno, you see him on the Lakers two years ago? Dude is slow af
@@aaronphdbdnd5535Everyone in that league slow because they are old lol. This league is perfect for melo because all he has to do is score, ain’t nobody asking him to play defense.
Americans: arguing over scenarios that will never happen
JOKIC: Racing horses
Jokic comes running to America to make money though
@@jonathanglover6831yep take all you fools' money (yanks) and then go and spend it in his homeland . As he should...
Give me prime Dwight Howard and it’s not even close..if u say Jokic you’re being recent biased..Dwight would absolutely KILL JOKIC!!
I can’t believe this is even a debate. Their names shouldn’t even be in the same conversation.
Jokic is one of the best players ever in any position. Forget about just centers. He’s dominating playing point center putting up easy triple dubs every night with some of the most efficient numbers ever.
Jokic deserves to be in the conversation with the best to ever do it and they’re comparing him with Dwight Howard lmfao
The fact you’re disrespecting Dwight Howard like this is crazy. Howard is a first ballot hof, one of the best defenders in league history, he was first team all nba 5 times and was an 8 time all star
Comparing jokic and Howard isnt as bad as you’re making it
@@rayyanshabazz7466 Jokic is one of the best to ever play in the league. Any position.
Dwight was an athletic defender who got overhyped as the next Shaq and failed to be anything even close to that. Mentally weak too.
It is absolutely a disrespectful comparison. Jokic is a 3peat MVP and a finals MVP bro (we all know it’s 3 really) and he’s only just getting started.
He’s nowhere near finished his career and it’s already way better lmao. It’s a laughable comparison.
Stephen A always figures out a way to change the narrative to protect his argument. The question was whose better in they’re primes? Not just offensively. Basketball isn’t just scoring on offense, you have to play defense. And Dwight Howard is easily one of the best bigs to ever play the game defensively. Now I’m not saying I’m taking Dwight over jokic but it’s much closer than Stephen A is portraying
Howard was my favorite center of all time besides shaq. But im still picking jokic tho. Depends on a team that will be built around them will be the winner. it's really unfair to dwight to be treated as fi he was a slouch bag compared to jokic smh
There's no narrative change. Dwight Howard was a savage defensively. But if AD can't even hold Jokic, what makes Dwight feel like he can?
@@ct7407 AD isn’t on the same level defensively as Dwight Howard. Don’t disrespect Dwight like that 🤦🏽♂️
Did you watch the play in AD single handedly carry the play in Lakers to the West Finals? Or Was that just me? Secondly, AD can also score and shoot FTs. He's a much better player than Dwight.
@@ct7407 yes I watched AD play lmao. Dwight carried the ORLANDO MAGIC to the nba finals! AD plays every other game Dwight showed up every night. AD is not on prime Dwight’s level I hate to tell you.
One person talking from what he watch vs a person who actually was playing against him ! I’m going with the one who has experience
Prime Dwight very underappreciated
never won mvp. never won a title as the best player of the team
@@otflonglivetharoys8294 he did not
Howard was also talking about if he was guarding Jokic. In his prime Dwight guarding Jokic would have been a problem for Joker
No. Jokic would take him away from the hoop. Then it's over
No. Jokic can just pull up to the three where Dwight has no defense. Jokic would have destroyed him.
Agreed .. 1000%
@@Caydes_ghost76 a older Howard was a problem for Jokic in the bubble. Is he gonna shoot threes the whole game?
@@rogeliosoto6953 Jokic struggled against a old Howard lmao you don’t know ball
Exactly thank u perk
KD when he out the nba gunna play big3 he a baller
I’d watch all day lol
Jokic couldn’t score on a 35-36 year old Dwight in 2020.
Jokic wasnt the player back then that he is now
He averaged 20+ but I believe that pushed him to be the player he is now. He had to face Howard, AD and McGee.
@poppasmurf3670 rlly? JOKIC IS THE GOAT so f off
I'm going to say yes he is better. Does everyone forget that he shut him down in 2020 in the bubble. Way better on d n rebounding.
Prime Dwight vs Prime Jokic would be something. Jokic is great on offense because of his passing ability. That opens up everything else for him. If we're talking about Jokic vs Dwight and Jokic absolutely has to get a bucket, I'm not so convinced I'm taking Jokic.
That's why you're not a Gm
@@g33k707and this why u not either see how that works
@@treniks2404 jokic won mvps and a championship....my logic agreed with the real GMs... see how that works.
Both Dwight and Joker are great but in their own ways. Same position but totally different styles of play. Pick who you’d want on your team at the end of the day.
There an obvious answer to who’s the better player. It’s Jokic and it’s not that close. Please don’t downplay Jokic, 2 Time MVP and FMVP
@@TreyJaySoSway well i never downplayed Joker lol. I personally would have Joker over Dwight lol. I’m giving both of them their flowers pal.
But it is worth mentioning that Dwight with that Orlando team was a monster defensively and it’s never talked about because he didn’t win a chip with them.
@@mahvzilla i only think you downplayed Jokic bc you’re trying to compare him with Dwight. You’re acting like it’s a 50/50 pick ‘em, which is disrespectful to Jokic IMO.
Dwight had 0 MVPs and 0 FMVP. Jokic has 3 of those combined… it’s seriously not even a debate, Jokic should be picked over Dwight 100 times out of 100. I like that your giving Dwight his props but he should never be compared to Jokic.
Jokic is breaking NBA records left, right, and center. He just became the first player in a Postseason to lead in every Major statistic; points, rebounds, AND ASSITS! The value difference between Jokic and Dwight is night and day ! That’s why i find it disrespectful to Jokic that your comparing him to a player that has never even won a MVP in the regular or Finals… Jokic has done both and has done it consecutively!
Sorry for the rant lol 😆 but Dwight should be compared to guys like Mutumbo or Alonzo Mourning. (Dwight is obvi better than both) but Definitely not a multiple time MVP player like Joker
@@TreyJaySoSway haha your rant was good, I appreciated it.
But it seems we’re both on the same page and we can agree that these two guys shouldn’t even be compared to each other lol
We're in a day and age where we only remember t what's relevant. Howard was a beast in his prime and was a issue for other teams to deal with.
Perk made a great point as far as Dwight Howard in the era he played!! A lot of people overlooked that because of that beef he had with Kobe Bryant when he was on the Lakers!!! Now with that being said, Offensively, Jokic is better by a landslide because he can do a lot more with it compared to Dwight!!!
Perk is correct, Dwight in his PRIME was a very, very dominant player in the league
Always good to hear from cube
Dwight was pretty tough in his prime man. I would say he was almost on-par with Jokic in terms of his impact on/in the game.
A lot of y’all don’t like Jokić and it shows. The triple double speaks for itself to be honest.
Hahahaha Steve’s face when Perk said “best in the league”
Thank you Perk! Stephen A basically said offense means more than defense.
It does….team defense is more important.
@@killakam5981facts
How poor is your english comprehension ? Howard was talking about offense.
"Obviously, people going to say Jokic can score," Howard said. "He got all those offensive skills. But at the same time, I was getting 38 and 20, 45-18, 19, 20, and I'm doing all this with twos.
"No threes, all twos. I'm doing this with lobs. I'm not getting a lot of post-up attempts like Jokic. He's getting way more opportunities."
@@cp3190 jokic has a ring and two mvps he’s way better go cry about it 🤣🤣
"How good is my English comprehension?" Can you please time stamp that quote of Howard shown in that video?" So I can improve my English comprehension. Cool that u posted the actual quote. But it's no where to be found in the video.
Nah Howard ain’t better than jokic people say anything now a days 😂😂😂
Glad Perk gave him his respect. His word holds far more weight in this discussion.
Dwight played in a different era, Dwight was also excellent on both sides of the ball, jokic is only an offensive threat
@@jdankerdake Dwight was averaging 20 and 15, but the NBA wasn't has high scoring as it is today. 20 at that time was like 27 or 28 today
Dwight Howard was a ridiculous athletic talent that never lived up to his potential offensively. I sincerely thought he was the next Shaq but he couldn't score outside dunking.
He wasn't nearly as big as Shaq. Howard was really like 6'8 210. But forced himself to gain weight but it wasn't good on his back or legs. His genetics couldn't carry as much muscle as he tried to put on. He was really just a more hyped Kevin Willis. There is no way Howard would play Center in the 80's. He would be a PF and probably a back up cause he can't hit the open 12 foot shot.
Smdh... When you have a NBA coaches that won't let Dwight Howard get busy & LIMIT his role play on a team. YOU ALREADY KNOW!!!
Throw some respect on Dwight Howard's name! Prime Howard was a dominant defensive player and rebounder who took his team to one NBA finals and beat Lebron in the playoffs that year to get there! Dude will be in the Hall of Fame!
Dwight relied heavily on athleticism and once athletes lose that, it’s hard to retain success for long periods of time with only that.
You act like that Magic team was trash
Dwight threw disrespect on himself when he compared himself to Jokic. I'll respect when the foot comes out of his mouth.
@RuthyLook So who's Jokic supposed to be?? Is he Wilt? Is he Kareem? Is he Hakeem?? What's wrong with prime Howard comparing himself to Jokic?
@@philb.1502 I would say the same if Howard compared himself to Wilt, Kareem or Hakeem. How about, don't compare yourself at all? Others are supposed to do that. And to answer your first question, with his 2 MVPS and 1 for finals, Jokic could easily be up there with them when his career is done. Dwight has no chance. At least agree with that.
Dwight, you were a very good player, even somewhat underrated in retrospect but no way you were better than Jokic. 😂😂😂😂
Dwight was a beast around the basket. But no way Dwight could guard the 3-point line, or handle the endless fakes, spin moves, and passing. Jokic would make him look foolish. Likely foul him out.
for the people who want to say the eras were different
put prime Dwight in the NBA today, is he all of sudden not going to have horrible touch around the rim ?? is he all of sudden not going to be a 56% free throw shooter ??? would he hit middys and 3’s if he played in this era ???
like STOP 😂
Dwight had touch around the rim. His problem was when you gave him the ball on the low block he didn’t have the moves to consistently get to the front of the rim in the half court
@@Watchingvideoslikeu disagree , he had horrible touch .. which is the main reason why he’s a 56% free throw shooter
@@OnlyHoops15 you said he “horrible touch around the rim” that’s what I was responding to. Not his shooting touch overall.
@@Watchingvideoslikeu they go hand in hand .
Dwight Howard played must if his career in this era not even sure what u are saying ??
The people who actually played the game always show more respect to the players than the people talk about the sport but never played it
Which Sometimes leads to unfair bias on the players end
Perk racist hating on Jokic is well documented. Got exposed by JJ on the panel live. The only reason he still have a job is because of blind fans like you sir or madam whoever may be.
@@Eggsecuter and people like Nick Wright and Skip Bayless develop fanboy bias which is worse
When dwight was in orlando the magic were feared around the league i miss prime d12 orlando has not been respected since d12 got traded i wish he would come back and end his career where it started
Dwight only has the edge defensively , Jokic is a different animal it’s just that simple .
It’s not just an edge. Dwight Howard was leaps and bounds better defensively. It’s just that jokic is so much better offensively that it overshadows that
BIG3 is still a thing??🤷🏿♂️
NBA trying to kill it
Any NBA team should look to sign Dwight since he did a good job going against Jokic
Dwight literally clamped up jokic in the wcf
Jokic wasnt the player back then that he is now
Look it up again
@@august8099 plus refs were killing Jokic in that series...
Rlly? DH is a joke
@@neutral_narrWHAT !
I mean... To be fair... Defensively and athletically he was way better than Jokic so he's partially right. Lol
So is Embiid but I still wouldn’t take him over Joker lol
So athleticism is jumping? Jokic is far better player
@@DannyWoodhead-tw7pl Well yeah, I never said he's better overall. Jokic is still a way better post player offensively, scorer and playmaker and has better basketball IQ. Although my point is I think we should give Dwight a little bit of credit though. Most kids commenting on here don't know Dwight in his prime.
@@nikolayjerev9285 Two things.
1. Did I say Dwight was a better player? We know Jokic is better overall. You don't need to be that defensive about it.
2. You know athleticism is more than just jumping. Running, quickness, strength, endurance, footwork... They all don't count for athleticism then?
I dont agree with Stephen A on this one. I think Dwight meant overall as a player, not just offensively. Theres two sides to the game and both are equally as important. There's truth in both what Perk and Stephen A was saying, I'd go Nikola all day, but to say Dwight wasn't even close AS A PLAYER is a wild and illegitimate statement.
Jokic gets the same disrespect Bird used to get sometimes. I think what annoys guys like Dwight and some fans is that a guy can dominate the game without having insane athleticism. Guess what, a measure of how good a basketball player is totality of how they impact the game.