What One Weapon Taught Me About Fallout 4
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2024
- Fallout 4 was highly anticipated in 2015 and has gone on to be a divisive game for old and new players alike. Although I didn't know it at the time, one weapon would go on to represent my feelings about the game.
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I think we suffer more using the Syringer than the enemies do.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate that the syringer we (didn't) use was the friends we made along the way?
Truth
yep.
The gun is pretty rare to come by on low-lvl, THE AMMO IS ABSURDLY INSANELY EXPENSIVE AND HARD TO GET, the results you get from using it are terrible and feel unfinished.
You could say so about pretty much half the guns in this game (while not even counting the numerous useless pipe-guns) god this game is boring torture without mods.
President Dave was once stung by a Cazador. After 3 days of agonizing pain, the Cazador died
He needs to face Chuck Norris in single combat to see who reigns supreme. Chuck Norris may be formidable, but can he handle two wives?
I like president Dave! He tastes great with a nuke cola and a side of Blamco Mac and cheese !
@sanguiniusonvacation1803 have you tried a president dave stew?
@@gaelangaudette9576 One wife alone can make a man go crazy. Dave is everything and all at once. He has such an amazing mind, that one single wife can't handle it, otherwise she would go insane from him instead him getting crazy from her. He uses his mathematical wisdom to load balance himself on two wives, so they last a bit longer.
I hate Dave
Alot of the "Diversity" of the weapon/ armor upgrades does quickly wane past hard game play. You get pidgon holed into a few viable gameplay options, if you don't want to torture yourself or cheese it.
Maybe, but I think it makes sense that a syringe isn’t quite as powerful as .308 Winchester.
I don’t think every play-style someone can come up with should be as viable as every other.
Fallout already goes way out of its way to make melee and unarmed builds viable when they really shouldn’t be in a world full of guns.
I don’t think the syringer was ever meant to be a full-on play style, just a situational sidearm. It can frenzy enemies to act as a quick distraction instead of having them all gang up on you, it can pacify or paralyze aggressive people you don’t want to fight or want to sneak past.
The pacifist play style was certainly never intended to be viable, which is why every single pacifist play-through of Skyrim or Fallout 4 requires a bunch of bug exploitation and “I didn’t kill them, it was the blood loss from me whacking them with this spiked shield that killed them!”
@@QualityPen You are telling me that there couldent be more options for upgrades/ammo types.... Like we have poisons that kill with micrograms. In a setting with mini nukes, aliens, etc. It is not much of a stretch honestly lol.
Yup. In ever single one of my play throughs I end up primarily using a recoil compensated .308 combat rifle with a reflex sight
@@naodamdetsyon6929 I end up with 50 cal sniper with one of a few legendary mods for dam, a combat shotty with armor pen and a semi auto rifle with double shot or radiation dam.
I feel like the gear is balanced around legendary bonuses because of how common they are.
the pickmans knife for example. I have it on me in my current playthrough and it shreds enemies with ease despite me having zero points in melee related perks outside of 5 strength. hell i took kellogg down with ease (though nick did help me track kellogg by constantly running up to him and pistol whip the bastard when he went invisible)
Only time I used the syringer was during the Silver Shroud quest to save the ghoul at the end. Paralyze him and the raider get up there quickly and kill the raider.
That sounds like it would actually happen in one of the Shroud Comics, lol
Same, threw it away after that though
I didn't even know that Syringer Mod was around, and I felt sad that the Syringer wasn't as useful in Vanilla Fallout 4 than in Fallout 3, as it was a FANTASTIC stealth weapon. Gotta admit though, this was a poignant correlation between the weapon and the game. Well done.
There is no Syringer in FO3 only the Dart gun.
@@killzoneisa true, however it could have been functionally the same in Fallout 4. It would've been neat if it was ineffective against metal based armors, like Power Armor
@@pragimus1979 yeah never got how you can take on people in PA when it shouldn't work.
The FO4 syringer mod makes it MUCH better. More dart types and overall makes it actually fun to use
The Dart Gun in Fallout 3 was godlike, it crippled the legs of enemies, hitting a Deathclaw and watching it slowly come at you while you could unload a machine gun into it and killing it as it reached you. Shoot on melee enemies and they just lose.
One of the main reason(s) I always wait a few months (or a year) when a Bethesda game is released, to buy it. To see what the devs might fix/add (+DLCs), and what the modding community has and will fix/solve, by that time.
So when I started my FO4 I already had mods installed like: "unofficial patch"; "Right hand weapons" , "Everyone's best friend" and many other mods that restore cut content, or fixes the most annoying problems; one of my mods even extends the type of syringes i can craft, so I keep a striped down short syringe rifle, with a short-scope with me, all the time (pack mule build).
"Fallout 4, Mod it till its good."
My Fallout 4 motto.
Doesn't that apply to anything made by Bethesda?
More like moddo
that my motto as well. I listed a bunch mods i use in a comment up top that makes it feel more like Fallout.
no matter how much i mod fo4 the game still feels janky and looks kinda ugly, just that fallout 4 look
on the other hand with new vegas, i swear with the right mods it can look better than fallout 4. game just looks so crisp idk how to describe it
no enbs btw because im not gay
Hey man, "it just works!"
I’d love to see a video on all the “disappointing” weapons of Fallout, I’m sure FO4 doesn’t have a monopoly on them
A lot of the schematic weapons in F3 just aren’t worth the time. The junk jet in particular is useless. The railway gun has a certain humor value to it. The only one worth making is the dart gun. Excellent for crippling deathclaws.
There's a really expensive rifle at the gun runners in New vegas that does nothing but waste ammo
@@CorvoFG The Shishkebab is arguably the best melee weapon in base FO3.
@@ratman2580 the Bozar, I think, I actually bought it in my first playthrough cuz I thought it sounded powerful, it was about as good as the Assault Carbine in terms of damage but it had no durability, definitely not worth the price tag
Recharger Rifle in NV is definitely ass. Kinda weird how the Recharger Pistol meanwhile is pretty good.
A video on the lacklustre gunners and what would've made them better for fo4 or a video on the glowing sea would be cool
Even being able to do missions like taking out Raider areas for the Gunners to see them take those areas over and giving you "safe zones" to be in for helping them and more trading areas.
+1 for both of these ideas
@@JustNate1919 or hire a squad to defend settlements. They are mercs after all.
They had bounties board in DC but never used it
They have great ideas and even do bring them in but for whatever reason never expand on it
Again, modders doing a better job with the Gunners. KingGath's Sim Settlements 2 makes them actually interesting.
President Dave once threw a grenade and killed 10 raiders, then the grenade exploded.
Literally stealing my jokes from other videos
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 you don't own Chuck Norris jokes lol
@@Kiralmao Got ya. Just fuckin with ya
That reminds me of when I threw a grenade in such a way in call of duty that it rolled on a prone dude enough times to kill him. I even have the video on my channel lol.
Tbh here I was excited upon 1st acquiring the syringer when I found it at Medford Memorial Hospital. After being excited from being amped up by the loading screen hype it became a collectible that I barely use and make ammo for when I wanna screw around at chemistry workshops. I appreciate it the idea of it, just wish it was more effective in game.
I feel like they missed out so many different weapons that could have been fun or useful. Pipe shotguns for instance, it's literally the most common improvised firearm there is IRL. Grenade launchers: You could have had a Pipe Cannon that converted hand grenades into launched grenades with a blank round (longer range with bigger bullets: 38 gets you short but better than a throw, 45 is medium, but 308 hurls it. Actual rifle grenades if the attachments worked a little different (maybe letting you hotkey a secondary weapon on some longer guns like underslung shotguns etc) and true grenade launchers. One shot rockets/missiles that are maybe lighter than carrying a full launcher but less potent. And the Syringer? It could have been bolted onto other weapons and used as a secondary fire somehow.
There is one and only one syringe that works reliably. The bloatfly larva syringe. You have to spend a lot of time killing bloat fly to make it work. But it always works (if you hit the target and it dies later). It's used because sometimes it spawns legendarys.
My phrase I say about F4: "Mod it". For every complaint you have about it there's a mod for it. Some of them even work until an update changes a line of code and you have to find a new mod to fix the same problem. Sometimes mod authors update their mods but you can't depend on that.
Anyway sooner or later I get a lot of larva syringes and hunt legendary drop locations so even with a mod free run I want one warts & all.
That was my overall experience with 4. It was fun but it just never grabbed me like all of the previous titles.
True.
Thank god for mods. Make the game better
@@fumothfan9 Absolutely.
The syringer is not a weapon that is supposed to be used in combat it's a stealth weapon like fallout 3 dart gun
The way i see that weapon is the same way as i see illusion magic in the elder scrolls, a utility tool best used for stealth
Yes, and it still sucks at that unfortunately.
dart gun is not for stealth its for deathclaws
I totally agree with your thoughts on the Syringer and, the franchise and I think you are TOTALLY justified in thinking them.
You make such a good point that the devs put this weapon in, but DIDN'T THINK that players might want to play a non-lethal run.
So VERY telling about bethesda.
I had the exact same thoughts about the Syringer when I first played FO4 which led me to make a "Hack Dart" mod for it that allowed you to hack robots remotely. It probably doesn't work any more as it's been years since I released it, but it was a fun alternate use for the weapon. I vaguely remember trying to get the ability to eject fusion cores from power armoured enemies to work too.
the syringer is like a bad junk jet or rock-it launcer, both are cool ideas especially in a fallout setting but one is usable and one is the syringer
The Syringer is a Legendary Bloatfly Generator. Worth its weight in gold, as it got many of our executives their “explosive shotty” as the kids say.
Honestly I was way more bummed that you couldn’t see the weapons equipped then any one armament.
I only have about 300-400 hours of playing Fallout 4 and I have barely used the Syringer.
I've either upgraded the gun to its maximum so I could sell it or I would just manufacture Syringer ammo so I had something to trade at he vendors.
If I ever wanted to use the Syringer I would go for the Lock Joint ammo...
I occasionally use it for the Frenzy effect until I find a ranged weapon with the same effect. Pretty good for Supermutants, they can rip each other up when they decide to.
You are mistaken in your use of the term, "single action." Single action is most commonly associated with revolvers and pistols in that to fire the gun you must cock the hammer each time you pull the trigger. All of the traditional rifles in fallout 4 will fall into one of three types, bolt action, lever action or automatic with the subcategory of being semi automatic or fully automatic. Not included in this list are break action guns such as the double barrel shotgun and the syringer.
I love hearing the og fallout soundtrack in youtube videos
I kinda like what 76 did with the Syringer, making the effects a barrel mod instead of individual separate syringes
Fucking got me with the “made you check the video length didn’t I?” Got a good laugh
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i only used it as a chaos kind of tool, if i was in an area with some tough goons i would use the frenzy one to have them kill themselves and make my job easier, and if i got into a battle i couldn't win i would spam one or two flee darts and make my escape. the syringer is not a weapon like a pistol or a rifle, its used for situational areas and to help level the playing field. in this regard i think the weapon does a great job and performs well at it. but i can agree that more diversity for it would have been nice just for the sake of having more options being better than to few.
I think it would be good if the chemist perk buffed the syringer like higher chance to work and increased syringe effects damage and duration
Random thought: Since Fallout 76 is multiplayer, wouldn't it be cool to have something like "Stimpak Rounds" for this weapon so that, if working with a team, one player could be a dedicated healer shooting stimpaks into their teammates in the middle of firefights to keep them alive. You could also make Chem Rounds for the same purpose. You're in a fight, you use melee, you're surrounded, your buddy sees a Super Mutant Suicider coming from your blind side, hits you with a shot of Jet to slow time so you can accurately assess the threats. You could have that player carry all the aid items that aren't food to free up carry weight for the rest of the party to grab weapons, armor, and junk.
Absolutely love the intro, I think it gives me immediate serotonin upon hearing/seeing it. Love the channel and the videos too, keep up the good work RadKing!
Memorable dissapointment is such a good turn of phrase
Glad to know that when Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 come out
All the coolest stuff will be in the art book and concept bible
at this point given this newfound information.
damn now i realize the missed opportunities, combine that with the large file size and i question if i should reinstall and continue my sim settlements 2 automation stuff with cheats just because i now want to paralyze the enemies
combine that with my "upgradable hub" idea (just give resources and it upgrades itself, with time atleast] and myeh
Todd Howard crafted a perfectly balanced game with no exploits and never disappoints.
I love the commonwealth. I think it's Fallouts best world space... I was lucky and never suffered too much stuttering in DT Boston and I just love it. The verticality is something other open world games should learn from. I just wish the quests inside of it were more intriguing. The non quest exploration stuff (like Malden) is far more interesting than the more active quests in the game.
Cyberpunk 2077 has many tall buildings, but they all are inaccessible and unfinished. Skyscraper Syndrome.
@@hyperturbotechnomike That's kind of what I mean though. There are tons of the Boston DT ruins that are accessible. And enemies scattered throughout above and below you. Many of the buildings have intereriors which have entrences and exits at different levels. With all the different buildings, elevated freeways, and interaction between interior spaces and exterior DT Boston is something others should look to emulate and improve on. I agree that Cyberpunk didn't do this well.
Wow, spot on in so many ways.
So much missed potential in both Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
The syringer was set to be my favourite rifle until I too found out how bad it was implemented, it reminded me of the pressure gun I loved so much in Metro.
13:43 Deacon never took a shot, instead bolting for RR HQ! Awesome!!
Nice to see Generals get some love here, personally loved the GLA powers, especially when you throw Zero Hour or the Shockwave mod into it, a game I still play to this day, gg!
Back when microtransactions weren't even possible. Times were good. I personally like Rise of the Reds more but yeah Shockwave's pretty spicy.
Man I spent so much time preparing a nice syringer, creating hundreds of syringes, and tried to give it to urie. I then found out you just ant give them to companions :(
I had the same problem. I realized too late that the ammunition wasn't classified as ammo, so they won't use it.
It's too bad, as a support weapon it could have been really useful.
I remember getting a syringer during my randomized legendary run and got a bottomless so I stacked bleed for killing as a sniper
The Syringer could have be FO’s equivalent of Metro: 2033’s TIHAR, a air compressed firearm with a variety of small projectiles, heck it could have made a return for the BB ammo type and made it lethal if it had a compressed air modification
Honestly awesome to hear the numbers station from Signalis showing up in somebody's Fallout video intro. Not sure why though, might just be cool to have that intersection of biting critique against capitalism and communism.
good to see a fellow C&C fan still kicking :)
I remember the exact moment I found out the game had a voiced protagonist and thinking okay this isnt a good sign. Such a simple part of the fallout formula is reading the prompts in your own voice in your head, but that part was forgotten. Then I waited for release to gauge opinions and found it divisive so I watched alchestbreach play it and the moment he went into vats and it didn't freeze time I knew the fallout formula had been almost entirely abandoned. Reload animations not aligned correctly with how many bullets you have (lever action especially) silly mass effect style dialogue wheel. It very quickly went from my most exciting new prospect to a dismal failure that left me feeling alienated from the gameplay I expected.
Fallout probably would of been the best fallout game if it had another year of development and more content to the quest already in the game
I have completed a full pacifist run of fallout 4. All dlc except nuka world done, since you have to kill the raider boss.
Run was rough, but doable.
When I first found the Syringer, I immediately thought it was going to be one of those "dumb little weapons" that are incredibly powerful in niche situations. Stuff like the Dart Gun in Fallout 3, along with the Pulse and Flare Guns in Fallout: New Vegas. Needless to say, I was disappointed, especially seeing as crafting the ammo is super inconvenient.
I had this same experience when I rolled up a Gamma Gun build one time. Even with a perfectly optimized build and even with the upgrade that lets it also do energy damage, at best it was still just 'decent'. I could blast radscorpions and other creatures in 2 shots, or even a deathclaw in about 8, which is great, but I wasn't able to do it until about level 30. Other builds would cream radscorpions and even deathclaws at that point. And what did I have to show for it? A bit of extra effectiveness against human enemies, probably the easiest enemy type in the game?
4:40 From what we know about Nate in the war and the lore about that apparently he was in Canada and was part of taking that. Could easily see him making one of these since it was revealed he was one of the guys who laughed at the war crimes committed by that one guy in the commercial in power armor
I have a Nora build that hires companion body guards or uses robots to kill enemies and is a full Stealth/Charisma build. She uses the Syringer to great effect this way.
I remember wanting to play a sort of mad scientist type character and I was so excited to use the syringer as one of my main weapons. Then only to realize its literally useless 😥
Syringer in Fallout 4 is honestly bad, because there's no level scaling to the effects.
15 damage per second bleed could be cute on a level 1 molerat, or one of the very basic raiders in the tutorial. - But it doesn't scale beyond that. - Plus it doesn't feel like it stacks the same way bleeds do from legendary effects.
This could've easily been remedied if the Chemist perk let you craft more complicated syringes, instead of giving effects that would have the perk be more aptly named "drug junkie", rather than "chemist". - Like being able to use dirty water and glowing fungus to make a syringe that dealt radiation damage per second. - Or use batteries and fertilizer to make corrosive syringes, or rad scorpion pincers to make poison syringes.
Bloat fly syringes could've been awesome if it didn't require the target to die before it took effect, and instead had a 10 second timer before the small bloat flies burst from the target dealing a sudden burst of damage as that happened. Modifications could include things like multiple barrels, larger gas tank, different types of scopes, maybe even an "advanced" variant of the gun being a tranquilizer dart gun you'd find at like a zoo or a prison. - Kinda like upgrading from a pipe rifle to a hunting rifle.
Or even debuff syringes that scale up in potency, the same way you have different tiers to illusion spells in Skyrim. - Which, let's be real.. The only reason the syringer is in Fallout is so they could inject (heh) the code of some illusion spells into some sort of gun and maybe one or two grenades but then realized nobody's gonna want to bother, because it sucks, so they didn't invest the effort to make it not suck. - Most folks playing Skyrim and Oblivion most likely didn't touch illusion at all until they were way past their main playthrough and into the "let's fuck around with random game mechanics" territory, because throwing around fireballs or shooting mini-nuked respectively are both more fun and efficient ways to play their respective games than shooting a little hypnosis and watching two mobs wail at each other with the damage output of a wet noodle, the armor and health bars of absolute bullet sponges, and the accuracy of drunken storm troopers with their helmet visors fogged up and their guns drowned in dust.
So all that's left is the skeleton of a work-in-progress system of "having fun within the game without actually playing the game" that nobody deemed worth the effort to actually flesh out in any relevant way, and evidently didn't even pay enough attention to it to realize it's pointless, because if they did, they'd have removed it from the game entirely to gain that 0.05% increase in performance on consoles.
As soon as you said "Syringer" I was like "Couldn't agree more" now I'll keep watching the video, but i'm sure I'll agree with anything you are going to say.
I love how the fallout 4 lovers always say "Oh, the gunplay was improved" compared with what? Fallout BOS? the Sims? At least the Sims allow you to roleplay a lot more.
The syringer is actually super slept on for farming legendary bloatflies and farming XP. You get triple XP from it
1. Killing enemy
2.killing bloatfly
3. Crafting the meat(bonus meat from wasteland survival guide that doubles meat)
Early game this is valuable especially if you go Medford for one or plumbers secret.
It's there as a utility tool not a killing tool...you can't brute force everything and it's rarely used for its intended purpose because everyone wants to brute force everything
I only use the syringer for the bloat fly legendary trick. & For that it's effective. I also use the gamma gun as a utility weapon too.
Upgraded with a ballistic impact at the work bench, the gamma gun makes for a good leaf blower to clear the dead ghoul bodies out of settlements.
I too use a pistol that fires large orbs of radiation as a utility tool and not to melt the flesh of any human, synth or robot that gets in my way. the radium rifle also exists, but it’s just the best of both ballistic and radiation.
One syringe that could of saved the weapon outright is to cripple or at least reduce the leg health to 1 so it would be like the Dart gun from Fallout 3 which made taking on Deathclaws a menial task although your companions still would allow them to get in close as they didn't keep their distance.
The other 2 weapons that got absolutely ganked was the Minigun and the Laser musket, 1 just doesn't scale well damage wise and ammo is a bit hard to keep up with the demand while the laser musket is pretty much redundant by any gun that's outfitted with a scope.
1st and most important, my thanks and respect go out to Modders, I was glad to make videos highlighting their work. 2nd, the vanilla Syringer sucks because there is a very low level cap (30 I believe) on the enemies that can even be affected. If that wasn't the case, using a beserk syringe at Gunner's Plaza, Quincy or trapper strongholds in Far Harbor would be worthwhile.
shed yes shed: agreed that the weapons in f4 were cut short: oh as for the mods, mods make the game on all platforms even ps4 and xbox
I remember that on my first playthrough (unmodded) I could fight in the combat zone. It should have been cut, or at least disabled, but for some reason it just was not for me in my version (german version, a few days after launch). Sadly I have no footage of that, as I thought it was just the normal way the location was supposed to work. and I was not wrong about that either...
Fighting Kate and earning some cash was super easy with a high strength build, that was one of the most fun memories I had of that first time I got there.
Could never replicate the bug, but it was glorious. Was shocked when I found out this place was cut down that much, everyone these days should use mods to get that experience...
could have been in the beta tho, my stepdad secured a limited time closed beta test role for me back then. not originally, but I took one look at the game and took over, he preferred the round-based entries by interplay way better anyways. pre-ordered FO4 the moment I could ^^
I had basically the same thing happen to me. "Hey that's an awesome idea" and then you jump into what you think is a pool and it's just muddy puddle
Euclicd’s C-Finder!!!!
The syringer is primarily a stealth weapon, like the darts from Assassin's Creed games. You use it to apply the status effect you want... then you grab your other weapon. Berserk has always been my favorite poison dart effect in stealth games.
Every time I hear the Rad King intro, I think it’s the song Blood Runner by Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats, because it uses the same siren sample lol
There is a legit use for the syringer. Make a ton of bloatfly ammo. When you kill a high level enemy, especially a legendary enemy, after hitting it with a bloatfly round, it has a good chance to spawn a legendary bloatfly, making legendary farming easier on survival, or just for standard if you want to cycle through a bunch of legendary effects to tee up the one you're after. Looking at you explosive shotgun\minigun.
Yea I kind of thought the same thing but did not think much of it. I still believe that the Pipe guns have missing potential in Fallout 76. They should make it so that all the Pipe guns can be retooled for any caliber so you can have a .50 Pipe pistol if you want.
If it doubled as a shotgun when the shells ammo type is selected.. except lighter carry weight that would make it have more utility. Maybe faster draw speed? The barrel on this can be made to be really long so that helps its case.
You know, parta' me feels like something that coulda' fixed the syringer is if you could make the ammo in bulk rather than 1 at a time. Like 1 craft gives you 20-30 syringes of whatever, and if the syringer could be modified to have a magazine and be modified with automatic fire. Basically, TF2's syringe gun but with status effects. I mean imagine it too, especially if the status effects could stack too.
There are actually a huge number of mods that make the syringer more viable. There's one entirely dedicated to making remote hacking darts!
"Pete The Wargamer" commented 3 days before you about making such mod but he did not know if it still worked after the latest updates.
Is it still usable?
I still like fallout 4 and I go back to it at times but to me I looked at the Syringer as gag weapon
Codsworth took that Molotov like a champ
For me my setup was just like in Mass Effect. I had one weapon for long range engagements, one weapon that deals massive damage but only at close range, and one power weapon to take down the Big'uns.
14:01 well. This is going in my load order
I dunno, man. Even on my first play through I was always under the impression the syringer was intended to be a specialized situational weapon, not something you use to take on a mob…?
This is exactly what happened to me too. I tried to play with the Syringer and gave up after about an hour and have been haunted by it for a long time.
Funnily enough, I had an almost exact similarity with the syringer, trying to prioritize special perks that someone like a biochemist might have. I think the Chemist perk can be used for some syringes. Personal bias, but I think the change ammo type system in nv should've been used in fallout 4 for at the very least the syringer, solely because it's so tedious switching syringe types. They also basically only work on human targets, not
(accidentally hit send.) They don't really work on ghouls,mutants,bugs,animals, and syringers don't work on robots at all or anyone in power armor. They do work on Gen 3 synths, but that's bc engine wise gen3s are just humans that spawn with sith components
this just in Radking accidentally started the broken mask incident with the mesmatron
I had the same vanilla experience with the syringer rifle, and the same sense of disappointment. Then couldn't unsee that syringer philosophy in FO4. FO4 hasn't been the same, for me, ever since that moment.
My example of this is the raider mourning at a grave. There's a raider in the open grave and the living one is kneeling next to it...
And the first time I came across that I approached and I could get pretty close, which had me thinking this was -- after all the raider bases with terminal entries and all the same goons to fight -- finally a raider I could interact with in some fashion. Like not only was this different but given everything about how the raiders are depicted one of them burying a comrade in arms and being by the grave? Strange!
...and then the raider gets up and goes aggro and the only way I could interact was by shooting them.
And that was when I stopped playing the game for quite awhile, just sporadically testing mods here and there for friends. I only really picked it up again when Kinggath's Sim Settlements mod first released.
To be fair it kind of was like returning home, including the disappointment where you learn your dad sold your old consoles, your mom needs help to go shopping because of a bad knee, and while the family dog is still healthy her puppy days are over and a quick walk around the concrete jungle tuckers her out. You enjoy spending time with em, but the magic of your youth is gone, you still love them because it's home, but perhaps it's time to begin something new.
I see the Syringer differently, like you’re a wizard with some crowd control spells. It’s like skyrim, where you spec into a school of spells; you don’t get it all. Your weapons are the “destruction” school. I understand your desire for it to be all-purpose. Around which a build and entire roleplay develops. I don’t think modders are picking up the slack, in this regard, but giving you what you want. It’s ok that Fo4 made it a niche weapon. There’s several examples of that, like Basher. Even when souped-up, is still niche.
I have to say, this is the best fallout content channel i have ever seen
@Gyrfalcon312I read your name and that Tks Mantis sounded really familiar and went to look at his channel. Did Tks Mantis delete bunch of videos or something? I remember him being a commentary channel.
Omega Initiative and Radking are awesomesauce
Mods can make stringer better. A Syringer PISTOL OPTION , tranq darts, its pretty effective.
reinstalled this game recently with it's dlcs and Modding it now. glad you did a new video my friend. yeah the Syringer is an interesting take on a Air Rifle but sad it sucks bad
Well said man, thanks for posting! I always like hearing your take on this series. Keep up the good work :)
Sadly, it feels like the classic Fallout 3 unique weapons (the syringer, the railroad rifle, shiskebab and the junk jet) were nerfed in FO4. I'm not sure why, they're all difficult to aquire. None of them stands up to even mid-game weaponry.
I really would have loved to see the BB gun in fallout 4 do some cool mods and run around killing people with the Red Ryder. Sadly fallout 4 didn't have a BB gun I thought the syringer would be a suitable replacement but it wasn't.
Interesting, I don't know if I can say I have a similar allegory item... maybe how the laser and plasma are. Energy weapons are my favorite and I dig the weapon customization, but when I found out the rifles and pistols are the same in was disappointed. I would of preferred they weren't combined.
I always kept the one of a kind weapons and replaced them if i found something better.
Unless it was actually unique cause i am a collector but i am very happy i never bothered with the syringe gun.
And you are about to explain it to me.
Let's go
The issue I had with it, is that it never quite... worked? I wanted to steal/pickpocket fusion cores from raider bosses in power armor. My Sneak perk wasn't fully realized, which would make a rational person think that one could sneak closer and closer to an enemy before being detected, as you filled the stars of the perk... Right? Only issue is, until I had maxed out the perk, if I was within twenty feet of an enemy (without ANY clothes or armor), even leaning in any direction would alert them!
I thought I could circumvent this issue with The Syringer, with the mind-cloud syringe or the "won't notice you" syringe, whatever their names are... But hitting the enemy with ANY syringe just instantly alerted them to your presence, like any other action. So, obviously, I never touched it again, and sell every one I get.
The real kicker is, once I maxed the Sneak perk, I can do almost anything near an enemy, even just in their periphery, and they are oblivious. So, needless to say, I have almost 2,000 fusion cores, and I use the stolen suits to build sprawling fences around my settlements AND elsewhere in the world to stop or redirect attackers from key positions. I have 454 suits just at The Castle, and I'm almost finished with a complete Atom Cats Garage defensive perimeter.
In short, why is Sneak WORTHLESS until maxed, and Syringer WORTHLESS indefinitely?
The syringer has one use: Mind Cloud to steal Power Armor (I like having a lot of PA frames, ok?)
The Syringer must be a piece of trolling, no other explanation.
Never even equipped the syringe but if I'll do another modded run I will install a mod that improves it for sure
it really is super disappointing that even after all this time, and the Dart gun experience and thinking of adding the syringer into FO4 bethesda couldn't come up with a knockdown system. How hard is it to create an effect in which you simple make the enemies unconscious without killing them? Putting them to sleep etc... considering the type of game Fallout is and everything thats been so far it really is silly how it doesnt have an alternative to simply killing everything, a very simple alternative at that, which would be to KO enemies in this case with the perfect object for it, a poisonous weapon
The syringer is just not a main gun. By design it is meant to be more like a support item used just to add some negative effects to targets at best.
Enemies manipulation is my favorite combat mechanic in RPGs, so, yeay, was very discounted by it...
I wish fallout 4 came out later than it did so the cut content and what was present could've been more developed. While 4 has the best unmodded gunplay of the mainline series it suffered in a lot of other areas. I hope Bethesda takes all the missteps into account with their new games and we get a better fallout game eventually.
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The syringer has always annoyed me just by existing. The syringe recipes raise my blood pressure taking up space in the list. Fallout 4 is probably my favorite Fallout game (although it feels weird to compare it to 1 and 2), but I will readily admit its many faults. So many things about it annoy me, but I love the game because it feels like it's the first one that has 100% of what I truly value despite all the annoyances.
I am glad that I am not the only one that see's the fun potential of the syringer, and the disappointment it is of what little they give and how useless it actully is (I am still willing to bet the item was originally design to do damage by default but they desided against it as well) I only hope anothter game does the syringer justice, I play on console and I check but I don't think any of the mods on console have any good changes to the syringer like the mod you mention