The fact that this product has several names means that the producers of this product were intentionally being deceptive. Thanks for sharing/exposing this helpful info!
@@joniboulware1436if gardeners are enough of a pain in the ass about this then someone will market a safe option hopefully. We should at least be able to get composts and hay labeled.
This is so true. It is so sad that farmers know that a product will impact home gardeners negatively and yet they still sell it to you because they want the money. I thought I was experiencing leaf curl. First on my peppers, then on my squash, then on my tomatoes! I began to think something is wrong. Then I made the connect with Black Kow or Black Velvet. My beds that dont have it are just fine. The plants start out okay and then they begin to deform. I will also stop purchasing manure from big box stores and try to make enough compost to top off the beds. I would prefer seeded hay over Grazon hay any day!! But Ive switched over to pine bark for mulch
I really feel for you. As a fellow gardener, it resonates. I'm also angry because of the whole situation with chemical-agribusiness. Best wishes to you, and thanks for sharing.
Hello I just saw this video. Thank you so much. I have had a suspension for a year or 2 about this problem. I was blessed to get all the free horse compost I wanted and believe you me I took advantage of it. I started about 7 - 8 years ago. Every year I would haul in a few tons of this stuff and would have some of the biggest and best veggies I have ever grown. Then about 4 years ago I saw a decline in my garden. I didn't know what it was . Needless to say the past 2 years have been terrible. In fact this year my cabbage and tomatoes are still the same size they were when I planted them and they have been in the grown 2 months. Most of the seeds I planted didn't even germinate. So now I know for sure what's going on. I did have success with 1/2 runner beans they are growing like crazy. The seeds I bought fir them had a pink coating on the outside. Don't know if that had anything to do with it. I planted a herb garden in another garden bed where I had use the compost . Nothing at all came up. I have killed my grown.
This grazon will end up in the beef supply as well. We are all trying to eat healthy meat that is antibiotic free and organic, but if the cows were fed hay that was tainted with grazon then that herbicide will end up in the beef the consumer eats...
I just watched David the Good's livestream 'Manure will kill your garden'. The horror story starts at the 10.30min mark about Grazon which i'll call the "herbicide from Hell" If you don't want to dig out all the contaminated soil ( the rain washed it so far down into the soil off the hay) then it's grass, corn, wheat or barley to grow in there for next few years. I like your new composting ways, go full on, compost everything. Cheers.
Thanks for getting this information out there. I'm a subscriber of your channel also David the good and Danny of old south homestead. All three of you have been preaching this same message. I know others are doing the same. It's criminal what Big Agr is doing to our food supply. Keep putting out the word. Better days ahead, I hope.
God bless you brother. I first found out about this from Danny on his deep south homestead channel. I'm a market gardener and I do not trust any compost anymore. All ot takes is one bad batch and a farm is destroyed. Best of luck to you.
Thanks for your video. I'm in New Zealand where this stuff is marketed as Weed'N Feed, Torzon amongst others. Our commercial suppliers are supposed to test their stuff before they sell it, but they don't. I've lost plants this year and am trying to get the info out there.
We destroyed a brand new garden this year so discouraging. pLease , please continue to show us what works and what doesnt as you try to FIX the soil. Where are you? I am in Dallas. Another great reason to be angry with DOW.
I destroyed a garden with aminopyralid as well. We’ve been trying LABS from Korean natural farming and compost teas. Hoping the large herds of bacteria will eat through the soil and remediate it for us.
I suggest getting to know your local farmer, if he/she sees the need and profits of growing a pure organic crop, they would probably set aside some acerage specifically for organic gardening use. I am a farmer, it's definitely something I would consider if I knew I had a market for it that is competitive financially with growing for big corporations.
Thankfully you already had the container garden going! This year I finally have all three: containers, raised beds and some stuff right in the ground. Diversity in your techniques as well as in the plants you grow can prevent one problem from wiping out ALL your efforts.
Take a round medium sized dustbin with lid. Drill holes all around. Even a big square bottle with big lid will work. Plant them in your raised beds. Trow small pieces cardboard leaves and kitchen scrapes in bottom and a little compost on top. Water it. Put the lid on and let the earthworms do there red thing. They will move between the bed and bin/bottle. and turn the scraps to compost fast. Just keep adding scraps and paper or cardboard and little water. Your bed will stay healthy.
I believe in areas like Japan & Russia where they have had serious contamination, the ppl planted crops of sunflowers, as they are known to draw out poisons in the soil.
Wish I had seen this 6 months ago. I was so excited to discover hay as a mulch since I was already using it for chicken bedding. Now I have a poisoned garden, a years worth of poisoned compost, and my future compost from the chicken bedding is poisioned. We also topped many containers with hay.. they are the worst hit. All my bell peppers, some hot peppers, and some tomatoes. The garden bed is doing ok...cucmbers and zukes are still thriving. Nothing else survived. It is so maddening and just a sad, unnecessary blow to gardeners trying to grow food and better the soil. Did the corn planting help that bed, or did you have to remove the dirt?
Thank you for the education!!! I am so sorry you are having to go through all this. I understand your anger and frustration at this situation. How many seasons will it take to amend your bed?? If you do grow corn, try growing the decorative corn being you can’t eat it. Some of the stuff I have read about about pesticides being used by big farming for grocery market veggies is 100% SCARY!! I read if growers stopped using pesticides today it would take over 60 years for that land to amend itself free from the chemicals. Not to mention that stuff leaches into ground water. I digress..... I will definitely be following your progress on this. 💕
It may not take too long if I choose the right kind of plant. I will likely try the corn thing, and I'll put some volunteer tomatoes I have potted into the soil later in the year as tests. Decorative corn sounds great, but I doubt I have enough time to actually get a crop. We shall see.
I just feel so bad for you. This is horrible! Who knows what is in the planting soils most of use to replenish our raised beds. Even though it says organic who knows. I admire your composure. I would be so enraged. Sending you Gardener's love.
Cynthia Petrone Always buy your Organic soil from a reputable company. A true Organic soil will be labeled “Certified Organic” Unfortunately with air and water contamination these days it makes it really tough!!
Thank you so much for this information. I was planning on buying manure in bags this year to add to my soil. I definitely won’t be doing that now. ! This is so wrong! So sorry for your loss and difficulty. And again, thanks for sharing!
Hi Scott. Consider paving the contaminated beds for some years and put raised beds on top. I have raised beds on top of our paved backyard. I fill them with dirt, kitchen and garden waste and cardboard because I ran out of compost. Mittleider gardening could be a more expensive alternative. I grow Bocking 14 Comfrey for chop and drop, and sunflowers for shredding the stalks into mulch at the end of their cycle. There is no need to put everything in the compost heap cycle, there are less labour intensive methods for fertilizing the soil. When I had a lawn, I interseeded it with clover. Had to collect these clover seeds in the wild, because our garden centre only sold clover killing pesticides. Best wishes, greetings from Holland.
I'm so sorry this happened. It's nice of you to share this info, I'm planting a vegetable garden for the first time and your videos have been very helpful. Thank you!
So sorry to see you had tainted straw. Glad to see you was able to save a lot of your plants. Thanks for sharing this information with us. Keep up the awesome work and hope you have a great day.
when we think we are being ethical gardeners this is what happens..pls bring this to light again for your new subbies.. thanks for ALL you do...God bless
I so wish I seen this in the spring. I just killed 34 th comatose plants 2, 25 ft rows of tri color lettuce, 5 hills of cucumbers, 5 hills of zucchini, 3 25ft rows of onions , and 2, 25ft rows of cabbage. I'm so upset I litterally cried 20 mins ago. My whole familly depends on this garden . And after all the shit going on ,this year was very important. Along with loseing my job 6 months ago, my mother dieing last year , barely hanging on to the house, I'm just done. Thee only thing I can do for my familly is my life insurance policy. This garden was kinda thee last straw. Idc what anyone has to say. Life has ah way of piling shit up on you n I really tried. Idk. Crazy crazy. God bless. Indiana
Was just watching your video and I am a container gardener. Been doing it this way for several years now and this was the first time I got bad soil. This past few weeks all my plants have died that i have bought. I know the soil is contaimanted with herbicides. Because i replaced tomato plants 2x in several containers and they all showed the same signs of dying within 2 weeks each time. I spent 100s of dollars on soil.... potting mix and compost bags. I now must dump it all. Not sure if i will replant after all the money wasted thus far. Thank you for great videos and keeping us so informed and educated on great gardening.
@@ScottHead I bought black cow, and the Kellogg and mixed it together. First time to buy Kellogg brand, big box store had a great buy on that brand. I have used black cow several years. I'm not sure which it was in. I know I'm always taking a risk with any soil and this time it hit me. I know how you feel! These are the huge red containers that are like 25 gallon. 9 of them and about 6 15 gallon containers all full with bad soil. Its like burning money and these company's selling it don't care.
@@ScottHead my peppers seem to be doing fine. (Same soil) but they may die alsi. Its only affecting my tomatoes. They are all showing the curling and jagged leaf growth coming from the center of the plant.
Thank you for this video, we need to get the word out! I have a different garden heartbreak. I have cement and cinder blocks in my garden leaching heavy metals into my soil and veggies. And so many videos telling people to build cinderblock raised beds! Don't do it! They leach Arsenic, Mercury, Cadmium and a host of other heavy metals. Thanks for sharing. I needed to hear from someone going through a similar problem. I hope things are getting better for you. Dow also produce non-stick (e.g. tefal) persistent cancer causing products that build up in our bodies. Watch Dark Waters the film. Get the word out.
So sorry this happened. Grazon was the first thing I thought of when I watched your bad hay video. I use leaves/pine straw from my yard for mulch, but I have bought bagged composted manure. Won't be doing that anymore.
This is AWFUL! We've switched to using our own compost (We compost everything like David The Good). We use a mixture of dried fallen leaves and seaweed (We have a nearby unlimited source) to build / create our own growing medium and to use as a mulch in our garden. We've added some African Night Crawler composting worms to our compost bin outside, and it creates vermicompost QUICKLY which we then add to our garden. We use a half 55 gallon food grade barrel cut vertically and drill holes on the bottom for drainage. We place ALL our kitchen scraps in there along with the dried fallen leaves, and let the worms do the work. We also place some hardware cloth over the top and weigh it down with heavy rocks so that wildlife or our dog can't get to it. It WORKS! I hope this helps.
I have just run across what has caused my gardening dilemma this summer. Sunflowers, zinnias, tomatoes are all effected severely by exposure to something and now the most likely culprit is this aminopyralid contamination in the potting medium. I initially suspected a virus but I always thought the soil as the source of my problem. My first suspect was a starting medium that was comprised primarily of Canadian peat and perlite. Later I changed to a Fafard potting mix. The outcome was the same. The tomatoes germinated, grew, and appeared normal but eventually showed curling and deformation; the same with my sunflowers and zinnias. I plan to notify Fafard of my suspicions. Thank you for your sharing your information and good luck.
I used it in my raised beds for mulch and they would not even grow weeds for about 5 years. I’m in my late 70’s and didn’t want to dig it all out both because of the cost to replace the soil as well as the labor. You are so right, it’s not ethical for the companies to produce.
I just started container gardening this year with my son. I am sorry to hear what happened to you, but so thankful you shared this information. I was debating if I wanted to make my own compost for my small gardening efforts or just buy some in the spring to amend the current potting soil. Now I know that trying to make my own is the better option to avoid this type of situation. Thank you so much for sharing.
Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. I purchased 8 yards of "organic compost" for my no dig garden and have total crop failure. I have decided to remove all of the compost, I am heart broken because of all my hard work, financial loss and the loss of my food for this year.
So whats new? Every avenue of our little lives are the exact same. We are lied to and manipulated on a daily basis. The sad part is most people don't care about anything around them and cant see more than one step in front of themselves. As long as the WiFI is fast and the cell phone is charged and ready, their lives are complete. So, nothing will ever change on a large scale. Thank you for this video; inspiring people to take charge of their own lives.
I had two loads of manure delivered early in the season this year, unknowingly my intuition told me not to use them. After finding out about the Grazon problem. And contacting the farms that I received the manure from. Neither one had sprayed with Grazon but they had sprayed chemicals for thistle. Luckily I had two totes of compost that I had made here on my property that I used on my raised beds. So very sorry that this happened to so many people it truly makes us Think about our land and how we need to work to better stewards of our land and doing more for ourselves and not depending on outside sources.
I feel your pain. It just happened to me. Perhaps if we make this more relevant in social media we could just win the battle. That is why I posted a video as well. We don’t need the government to save us; we all just need to stop buying that stuff and the free market will take care of the rest. Thanks for the tips; I’m actively applying them in my garden. Stay positive ✌️
Oh no! This is horrific! I'm terribly sorry this happened to you. I will take more care myself in hay and manure used in my garden.. Thank you for the warning.
I just posted this video in my FB gardening group. We all can learn from this. Thank you for sharing! And I hope you can bounce back with some container tomatoes. I'm in the DFW area, and we still have lots of time left to grow tomatoes. :D
So sorry! This is horrible. Thanks so much for bringing this to the attention of others. This info needs to spread like wildfire through the homesteading community. I’ll sure pass it on.
Very sorry to hear about your garden issue. I will watch with interest to see how you work to recover and wish you much success with everything you try. 😢😅😊
If you have any Scandinavian viewers Aminopyralidis produced in Denmark by Dow AgroSciences Danmark A/S and sold under the name Lancelot. In Sweden restrictions are quite hard and there is recomendations of time to pass from use to growing some crops up to 24 months. It is also illegal to sell manure och straw/hey treated with Lancelot outside your farm. Hopefully this will prevent most disasters for your Swedish fellow gardeners. Swedish Chemistry inspections recommendations to farmers says 14 month before you can grow different Solanums (potato, chili, tomato) , beets , carrots , onions and different Apiaceae. 24 month for peas, beans, cucumbers, squash, pumpkins and lettuce. I hope you manage to get your soil healthy again and that next season will be better! The information from Swedisgh goverment maybe helpfull in choosing what to grow next year.
Oh watching this is giving me flashbacks of my poor tomatoes and peas. I felt sick about it when I realized what was wrong. Thanks to you and David the Good. To remediate, I used biochar and planted lots of daikon radishes.
See Deep South Homestead also.They have just gone through this also.So sad we cant just grow our gardens without stuff like this happening.God Bless all.
Jessica Sowards at Roots and Refuge had to remediate soil following application of organic compost that had used manure from cattle fed on Grazon fields/hay.
I am just hearing of this, this year. A man bought cows to have his own manure and learned of the grazon. He was shoveling manure 3 days and pitching until it went thru their system.
Sorry that happened, the only way to know your hay is to know your farmer. We dont use any herbicide for hay...good fields produce good hay/grass. PS try growing sun hemp to clean up the soil in your garden.
Thanks so much for the info. I watched another one just yesterday from good David, I think it was and I think you mentioned. We were just about to go and purchase some straw bales from a local farmer here in NS, Canada. Now we're going to call him back first and ask if he sprays chemicals on his fields. It makes you wonder if big brother wants us to be successful gardeners to begin with, right? I'm guessing not. We really have to try to be completely self-reliant, if that's possible now-a-days. Best of luck to you as you try to rectify your soil issue. 👍🏻🙂
Sorry to hear about your situation. I was afraid of this happening to someone. I’m over concerned with things to be put in the garden. I see a lot of home gardeners here on UA-cam use mulch for their vegetable garden and containers. I was worried that it could contain some sort of herbicide or other contaminated wood. I ran into your videos where you recommended using straw or hay. I wasn’t able to locate any in my town that was within my budget. So I skipped the idea. My three local mulch companies take fence boards and decking or any other wood from the general public and contractors. They charge $10 to dump a truckload of any wood material, trees, and grass clippings. They make this stuff into either compost or mulch. Then they dye the mulch. I worry that the wood and trees people and contractors dump have herbicides and other chemicals. I’ve seen people dump old broken down fencing that was treated with paint or water repellant oil/paint. Isn’t this stuff bad if we put it on our gardens? Just something to think about.
I have experienced similar practices. I purchased a bulk garden mix once that had topsoil and compost mixed, and some of the "compost" was comprised of chips of painted lumber. Very sketchy.
This is very worrying. I saw your first video showing the damage caused by using the poisoned hay then looked up David the good. His video about manure has really worried me.. gardeners have been using manure for ever as a natural source of nutrients for vegetable gardens and compost heaps. My family have just moved house and decided to use half of our old neglected garden to grow vegetables and fruits. Very much like yourself. I have a child and would love to see her picking and eating wholesome home grown food. My soil is pretty poor which i thought would really benefit from a rich natural homemade compost. We have been pulling up heaps of weeds and removed old leggy tired shrubs and cuttings from my weed ridden grass. We have pretty much copied your compost heaps at the side of your house and have crammed them with all this stuff including waste from my kitchen cardboard and paper etc. I decided to add some well rotted manure so purchased 3 large bags. I was just about to mix it into my young compost heaps when i saw your and David's videos. Although the bags of manure were purchased from a plant nursery which stocks mostly organic items im very nervous adding what should be a safe natural product into my compost heap which im going to spread over my entire garden. Even if stuff does manage to grow would you want to actually eat it ?.. its been 6 months of back breaking work to get my garden where it is now with a lot more work yet to do.. i dont want to ruin our efforts by possibly adding this awful chemical to my garden and future plants. Ive reused everything found in the garden. I dont want to waste anything and to add this manure and possibly wreck our new garden would be so upsetting. This subject has really worried me. Im so sorry this un necessary disaster has happened to you.. i hope by planting corn and grasses it will removed this toxic gunk from your lovely garden. Best wishes
Nicola, isn’t it just sad? This chemical contamination possibility is so persistent that it changes the way gardening has been done for centuries. Really, we can’t trust outside resources anymore. Best case is buy a year ahead of time and plant a test plant or two in a container with the outsourced manure or hay, see if it is contaminated. Indicator plants like tomatoes that are highly sensitive to aminopyralids will show a reaction dramatically. The downside is you lose the money if it’s tainted and have to find a way to get rid of it. Upside is you protect the rest of your valuable garden. But who’s got time for all that? Makes me angry we even have to have this conversation. Best of luck.
I'm fairly new to gardening and have been trying to grow organically in a raised bed for the past 3 years. I've only attempted tomatoes, herbs, & carrots. I've purchased all organic soils, manures, & mulch. I have yet to get one good tomato or carrot after 3 years. Herbs are a hit or miss. This year I only have a few potted herbs as I deemed myself a failure at gardening. After coming across this post I'm wondering how much of it was actually my fault.
I hope you know that you are appreciated internationally Scott. I live in New Zealand and I had no idea about this. Grazon is used widely here also. I will share your video widely . Thank you so much.
Hi Scott! Thanks for the information; I'm fighting it right now and it's been devastating. Since it's been a while, did the corn remediation work for you, or did you eventually have to replace the soil? I've lost about 150 gallons of finished compost, half that already spread on garden beds, and areas mulched with the uncomposted hay, and we're trying to figure out how to save the years of soil we've built up to this year :( Thanks!
Thank you foe shining the light on this product. We have had issues with a differently herbicide here in the Willamette Valley used on tree farms. A friend took it to court after the home she bought that was built on tree gram land poisoned her garden. It persists in the soil for more than ten years.
Hi Scott - perfect video for me. I have two raised beds with this issue. I bought 10 yards of a Soil/Compost mix that was tainted with this stuff. My peppers are absolutely decimated by this. Gotta love paying good money for tainted soil. The company says they have never tested positive for herbicides, but only test periodically. So frustrating!
The same thing just happened to me, it's devastating! I found this product and am hoping it will help revive my soil...thought I'd pass the info along to you: www.soildiva.net/reclaim-by-soil-diva/
Wow! I have a backyard garden and have been bringing in cow manure compost from a big box store. Now I'm questioning that. I don't spray my lawn like my neighbors and no herbicides go in whatsoever. This is very disheartening and makes me very sad.
I just spent a few hundred dollars putting together a small vegetable just to have fallen victim to this problem myself. I agree. Totally unethical practice.
Thank you for this, sir. I too, purchased straw to use as mulch and noticed that my beds are not thriving. I will look into this possible saboteur. Heartbreaking.
Thank you for your research and I'm sorry you had to find out by having this disaster in your garden. I'm in Canada and just bought some straw for compost. I'm about the take it up where I've spread it and then I will do my research to see what's happening in 'Canada. Thanks again. Appreciate your channel. Dow's Rexade used in Canada contains aminopyralid.
Rexade, another name on the brand list. You can always do a trial plant, sacrifice a tomato in a container with the straw, water it in really well. Its a shame to waste all that straw.
Scott Head . Yes, thank you. I used it around a new rhubarb root that now has new leaves and around strawberries that have grown new leaves and they seem to be doing O.K. We are just beginning to put out our plants now that the warmer weather has arrived. Thanks to you we'll know what to look for.
We of faith know we are used for purpose, not always that which we at first believed. This is a powerful message to share we were given a beautiful planet home to nurture and have nurture from, it is time those that seek to exploit are shown for what they are. Even for their own children's sake, whether they realise it or not. You are in our thoughts and prayers, miracles happen!
This is so sad. I don’t know if my hay for my horse has been sprayed or not but I’m not having any issues like you are. Praying for you and your family. So sorry this happened to you.
This is pretty wild, I inadvertently did a bioassay test with some pole beans started in the house vs a few started outdoors that had different soils. The one in the house is thriving ,trying to climb up the window blinds. The ones outside are stunted and seem to be curling up a bit and have not shot out any climbing tendrils yet. I got curious and looked into "contaminated municipal compost" and found out it's a thing. I wonder if our stuff has some bad persistent herbicides in the mix. How sad.
The same thing happened to me a few years ago. I am in the Orlando area. Anyway, I was reading (about a month ago) that Round Up leaves no effect on manures after several months. I have been experimenting with the manure pile that caused this issue. It is a few years old and I put some of it in a half barrel with good dirt and other nutrients and planted some purchased cabbage plants and planted them in it and they seem to be doing very well. I will let you know how they continue to grow. But right now, I have no leaf curling or stunted growth.
Its not roundup, it’s amonopyralids! Called ‘Grazon’ and many other names. Brassicas like cabbages are unaffected by it. It’s mainly beans, peas, tomatoes, potatoes that are affected
Hi.. Nice video. Thank you for sharing I have a question. I have a round bale of hay that is full of weeds. I didn't feed it to my cows, but I did give it to my chickens to pick through and spread. I noticed that it smells somewhat of, lets say, Simple Green. Do you know what the Grazon smells like? Thank you for the help.
I used a few bags straight manure in my soil mix. Maybe only 4 out of about 40 cubic feet. Hoping it is not an issue as far as the herbicide issue goes. Good info
Thank you so much for your video. We just bought a new property with an established organic garden, and am sad to see that my plants are affected. We brought in organic cow manure this spring. I'm not sure if that contributed, or if the garden was already contaminated. I had no idea what was causing such distorted growth, so am grateful for videos like yours. I am in Dripping Springs.
Sorry to hear that, it's a terribly common thing and hard to track down the source. Best of luck. Growing monocots in the contaminated space (grasses, corn) can help take up the herbicide. Grow a giant flint or dent corn, more biomass, and when its done, get that stuff out away from the garden.
Thank you so much for posting about this problem. I was thinking our problem was due to high phosphorus from an old chicken enclosure we fashioned into a veggie garden. Turns out it was the hay we used there all those years. All the soil is contaminated and we are beyond frustrated. How irresponsible of Dow. This will cost us a pretty penny to dig out the native earth and bring in raised beds and soil. Thank you for making this known.
You can grow corn on it and that will help take up a good amount of the herbicide. Chop it down and discard. Then, rather than dig the soil out, just build on top of it, in a few years what is left should be broken down. That's how I'd tackle it.
Thank you for this video. I am so sorry this happened to you. What a heart break. I am having a similar issue in my garden. Plants are slow to grow. My beans grow weird, crinkled, almost fan folded leaves. I thought it was the summer heat. I live in the desert. I have some tomato’s that are spindly and never set fruit. My good tomatoes are starting to look weird. One has bulbed leaves on new growth. Not sure of the source. I bought one bag of Kellogg Soil Conditioner. Or maybe it was in the soil in my yard. I grow mostly in containers but I made compost tea from weeds in my yard. They seem to grow well! LOL! My biggest concern after learning about this is: what about eating the cows that eat the grass? If we can’t eat the vegetables grown with this stuff how can we trust the meat? This is very bad.
I'm hopeful Kellogg is not using tainted materials, but you can never be sure. I will be testing all bagged material from now on, which means the inconvenient step of having to purchase soils a month early in order to grow some beans in the bag.
Scott Head that sounds like a good idea. I hope Kellogg is not the source but it is the only thing new I have brought in. Hope your garden is really successful!
This crap is also in bags of mulch sold at big box stores. Some of the bags are labeled with having weed killers in them, however, I bought a bag of regular mulch and apparently it got into my bag. It took years for me to grow anything in that spot. I removed the soil, but it still took years for things to grow. I now only buy mulch from a local wood mill.
Wow! So upsetting. Last year was the first time I ever grew a tomato that started well and then developed curly top disease. I will be sharing this video.
I just saw this. I knew not to use straw or hay on my garden after roundup ready wheat straw killed my tomatoes one year but I never heard of grazon. I noticed my tomatoes leaves are curling especially new growth and I can't figure why. I used Black Kow manure this year in my garden and now I'm not sure if I want to eat any tomatoes or any of my vegies. I've planted 35 tomatoe plants, 50 pepper plants. I grow the majority of my food and this is really upsetting. I don't use chemicals. I'm an heirloom gardener and if my soil is ruined and my vegetables poisoned I don't know what I will do. I have not planted my fall garden yet so that's one blessing. I won't be putting any manure in it. I will have my soil tested and make sure that's what it is before I destroy my garden. If it is I guess the best thing is to burn everything and plant rye. Thanks for the information.
A soil test usually will not indicate the presence of aminopyralids, at least any spoil test that I know of. Yes, planting a cover crop that is a grass or monocot like corn will help draw up the herbicide and store it in the foliage. That crop can be removed and discarded.
So sorry. I have suspicions of this being in some cow manure I bought for the tomatoes are not doing well. This lines right up though with the day we live in. I'm sure the big boys are at the horse gate to shut the road side stands down.
From the MSDS sheet on Grazon: Flash point : 52 deg.C (about 126F). Not sure but solar sterilization might eliminate the Grazon. For me, I put my soil in a stainless steel pot and cook it over a fire to about 203F (I can't get it higher without burning some of it). I remove the pot and let sit for an hour and 1/2 to cool down to 130F. I then place the soil in 5 gal plastic buckets with lids. As soon as winter is here to stay I will put the soil back into the pots, augment with biochar, alaska fish fertilizer, and molasses. Come spring time everything should be just fine. This should get rid of the Grazon and any baddies in the soil. Baddies = viruses, fungus, PILL BUGS, insetc eggs, etc. Cheaper to do this than to replace all my potting soil every year. About 1200 gallons of potting soil. Thinking of making a pot in a pot setup with water in the outside pot to prevent any burning. Thinking double broiler of sorts. Note: Some people just pour a lot of boiling water on their soil to do the job. This *MIGHT* work for in ground gardens. One could do a 'burn' on their soil too like prairies get done every year. Not sure if that would be hot enough for long enough. And then there are ordinances and fire risks...
I'm not sure if it was the cold weather, however, a month after laying down manure with straw on top, I saw on 2 or 3 occasions a worm on top of straw looking withered. It was cold, however, I did rake all of it up and now will see with this spring planting if their is any damage. Thank you.
I'm so sorry to hear that. I would be absolutely furious! You may want to consider bale gardening with organic straw while you're in the process of cleaning up your soil. Hopefully something good comes of this tragedy. God bless, my friend.
If you had a problem right after a heavy rain it could be that you ended up with hypoxic soil. The mulch combined with water and heavy amounts of bacterial//fungal growth can make the oxygen content in the soil basically zero. The roots of the plants will start to be consumed and eventually die. MOST herbicides are not as crazy as people make them out to be. Herbicides are very very rarely long halftime. The most common herbicide glyphosate that is the active component of round up leaches away relatively quickly and only has an effect for about a month or so. (Even if round up wants you to think it'll keep grass out of your driveway for a year) You need to test the Hay if you actually want to know if it has some sort of long term herbicide....
You are one of the few Gardeners on YT speaking up about that , thank you for informing the rest of us
The fact that this product has several names means that the producers of this product were intentionally being deceptive. Thanks for sharing/exposing this helpful info!
Excellent explanation, Scott. God bless you for sharing. I will share your video far and wide. It's a terrible feeling and this needs to end.
Thank you guys for teaching and exposing this :)!
It is just devastating. But unless the EPA bans it outright, this will never end.
@@joniboulware1436if gardeners are enough of a pain in the ass about this then someone will market a safe option hopefully. We should at least be able to get composts and hay labeled.
This is so true. It is so sad that farmers know that a product will impact home gardeners negatively and yet they still sell it to you because they want the money. I thought I was experiencing leaf curl. First on my peppers, then on my squash, then on my tomatoes! I began to think something is wrong. Then I made the connect with Black Kow or Black Velvet. My beds that dont have it are just fine. The plants start out okay and then they begin to deform. I will also stop purchasing manure from big box stores and try to make enough compost to top off the beds. I would prefer seeded hay over Grazon hay any day!! But Ive switched over to pine bark for mulch
I really feel for you. As a fellow gardener, it resonates. I'm also angry because of the whole situation with chemical-agribusiness. Best wishes to you, and thanks for sharing.
Hello I just saw this video. Thank you so much. I have had a suspension for a year or 2 about this problem. I was blessed to get all the free horse compost I wanted and believe you me I took advantage of it. I started about 7 - 8 years ago. Every year I would haul in a few tons of this stuff and would have some of the biggest and best veggies I have ever grown. Then about 4 years ago I saw a decline in my garden. I didn't know what it was . Needless to say the past 2 years have been terrible. In fact this year my cabbage and tomatoes are still the same size they were when I planted them and they have been in the grown 2 months. Most of the seeds I planted didn't even germinate. So now I know for sure what's going on.
I did have success with 1/2 runner beans they are growing like crazy. The seeds I bought fir them had a pink coating on the outside. Don't know if that had anything to do with it. I planted a herb garden in another garden bed where I had use the compost . Nothing at all came up. I have killed my grown.
Sorry to hear about this, it is getting more common every year, unfortunately.
This grazon will end up in the beef supply as well. We are all trying to eat healthy meat that is antibiotic free and organic, but if the cows were fed hay that was tainted with grazon then that herbicide will end up in the beef the consumer eats...
Yes that's terrifying
I just watched David the Good's livestream 'Manure will kill your garden'. The horror story starts at the 10.30min mark about Grazon which i'll call the "herbicide from Hell" If you don't want to dig out all the contaminated soil ( the rain washed it so far down into the soil off the hay) then it's grass, corn, wheat or barley to grow in there for next few years. I like your new composting ways, go full on, compost everything. Cheers.
Thanks for getting this information out there. I'm a subscriber of your channel also David the good and Danny of old south homestead. All three of you have been preaching this same message. I know others are doing the same. It's criminal what Big Agr is doing to our food supply. Keep putting out the word. Better days ahead, I hope.
God bless you brother. I first found out about this from Danny on his deep south homestead channel. I'm a market gardener and I do not trust any compost anymore. All ot takes is one bad batch and a farm is destroyed. Best of luck to you.
Soo Sorry this Happened!!&Thank You for the information!!&Have a Blessed Weekend-
Great video and information.This doesn't affect me in the Caribbean our cows are grazed in fields that use no type of herbicide or pesticide.
You are blessed!
Thanks for your video. I'm in New Zealand where this stuff is marketed as Weed'N Feed, Torzon amongst others. Our commercial suppliers are supposed to test their stuff before they sell it, but they don't. I've lost plants this year and am trying to get the info out there.
We destroyed a brand new garden this year so discouraging. pLease , please continue to show us what works and what doesnt as you try to FIX the soil. Where are you? I am in Dallas. Another great reason to be angry with DOW.
I destroyed a garden with aminopyralid as well. We’ve been trying LABS from Korean natural farming and compost teas. Hoping the large herds of bacteria will eat through the soil and remediate it for us.
I suggest getting to know your local farmer, if he/she sees the need and profits of growing a pure organic crop, they would probably set aside some acerage specifically for organic gardening use. I am a farmer, it's definitely something I would consider if I knew I had a market for it that is competitive financially with growing for big corporations.
Thankfully you already had the container garden going! This year I finally have all three: containers, raised beds and some stuff right in the ground. Diversity in your techniques as well as in the plants you grow can prevent one problem from wiping out ALL your efforts.
Take a round medium sized dustbin with lid. Drill holes all around. Even a big square bottle with big lid will work. Plant them in your raised beds. Trow small pieces cardboard leaves and kitchen scrapes in bottom and a little compost on top. Water it. Put the lid on and let the earthworms do there red thing. They will move between the bed and bin/bottle. and turn the scraps to compost fast. Just keep adding scraps and paper or cardboard and little water. Your bed will stay healthy.
I believe in areas like Japan & Russia where they have had serious contamination, the ppl planted crops of sunflowers, as they are known to draw out poisons in the soil.
Wish I had seen this 6 months ago. I was so excited to discover hay as a mulch since I was already using it for chicken bedding. Now I have a poisoned garden, a years worth of poisoned compost, and my future compost from the chicken bedding is poisioned. We also topped many containers with hay.. they are the worst hit. All my bell peppers, some hot peppers, and some tomatoes. The garden bed is doing ok...cucmbers and zukes are still thriving. Nothing else survived. It is so maddening and just a sad, unnecessary blow to gardeners trying to grow food and better the soil. Did the corn planting help that bed, or did you have to remove the dirt?
Corn planting did indeed help.Check out the video: ua-cam.com/video/UIDZ0HnQ_uE/v-deo.html
Wish I had seen this earlier. I just did this very thing on all my raised beds. Now I’m starting over. Horrible!! All that time and work just gone.
Thank you for the education!!! I am so sorry you are having to go through all this. I understand your anger and frustration at this situation. How many seasons will it take to amend your bed?? If you do grow corn, try growing the decorative corn being you can’t eat it. Some of the stuff I have read about about pesticides being used by big farming for grocery market veggies is 100% SCARY!! I read if growers stopped using pesticides today it would take over 60 years for that land to amend itself free from the chemicals. Not to mention that stuff leaches into ground water. I digress..... I will definitely be following your progress on this. 💕
It may not take too long if I choose the right kind of plant. I will likely try the corn thing, and I'll put some volunteer tomatoes I have potted into the soil later in the year as tests. Decorative corn sounds great, but I doubt I have enough time to actually get a crop. We shall see.
@@ScottHead Hey Scott how long did thee corn thing take ? Couple seasons?
I just feel so bad for you. This is horrible! Who knows what is in the planting soils most of use to replenish our raised beds. Even though it says organic who knows. I admire your composure. I would be so enraged. Sending you Gardener's love.
Cynthia Petrone Always buy your Organic soil from a reputable company. A true Organic soil will be labeled “Certified Organic” Unfortunately with air and water contamination these days it makes it really tough!!
A lawsuit ..... Going straight to the source .. . . . Mass amount of complaints are needed .
Thank you so much for this information. I was planning on buying manure in bags this year to add to my soil. I definitely won’t be doing that now. ! This is so wrong! So sorry for your loss and difficulty. And again, thanks for sharing!
My heart is breaking for you! I had an overspray issue from the wheat field next door and that was bad enough.
Me too. My neighbor used 4D-2 on a hot day, it vaporized and damaged my tomatoes.
@@NeuralEngin33r I've never heard of that....but it makes sense. Don't give up though. You'd be surprised at what our plants can overcome!
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Hi Scott. Consider paving the contaminated beds for some years and put raised beds on top. I have raised beds on top of our paved backyard. I fill them with dirt, kitchen and garden waste and cardboard because I ran out of compost. Mittleider gardening could be a more expensive alternative. I grow Bocking 14 Comfrey for chop and drop, and sunflowers for shredding the stalks into mulch at the end of their cycle. There is no need to put everything in the compost heap cycle, there are less labour intensive methods for fertilizing the soil. When I had a lawn, I interseeded it with clover. Had to collect these clover seeds in the wild, because our garden centre only sold clover killing pesticides. Best wishes, greetings from Holland.
Cardboard is actually great because the earthworms LOVE it and will reward you with soil rich from their worm castings!
Thanks for posting this. Please everyone - share, share, share! Get the word out!
I'm so sorry this happened. It's nice of you to share this info, I'm planting a vegetable garden for the first time and your videos have been very helpful. Thank you!
So sorry , you must be so sad over your loss , Thankyou for sharing , and warning us
I have a delivery of manure I was letting rot down. Now I’m informed thank you to all great Utube channels informing us ! God Bless!
I too see impact of Grazon on straw I used as mulch. Was simply unaware. Thanks for highlighting.
May I ask where you got the straw?
So sorry to see you had tainted straw. Glad to see you was able to save a lot of your plants. Thanks for sharing this information with us. Keep up the awesome work and hope you have a great day.
when we think we are being ethical gardeners this is what happens..pls bring this to light again for your new subbies.. thanks for ALL you do...God bless
I so wish I seen this in the spring. I just killed 34 th comatose plants 2, 25 ft rows of tri color lettuce, 5 hills of cucumbers, 5 hills of zucchini, 3 25ft rows of onions , and 2, 25ft rows of cabbage. I'm so upset I litterally cried 20 mins ago. My whole familly depends on this garden . And after all the shit going on ,this year was very important. Along with loseing my job 6 months ago, my mother dieing last year , barely hanging on to the house, I'm just done. Thee only thing I can do for my familly is my life insurance policy. This garden was kinda thee last straw. Idc what anyone has to say. Life has ah way of piling shit up on you n I really tried. Idk. Crazy crazy. God bless. Indiana
Thank you for sharing this, very important and scary information.
Was just watching your video and I am a container gardener. Been doing it this way for several years now and this was the first time I got bad soil. This past few weeks all my plants have died that i have bought. I know the soil is contaimanted with herbicides. Because i replaced tomato plants 2x in several containers and they all showed the same signs of dying within 2 weeks each time. I spent 100s of dollars on soil.... potting mix and compost bags. I now must dump it all. Not sure if i will replant after all the money wasted thus far. Thank you for great videos and keeping us so informed and educated on great gardening.
It was likely the compost. Was it a commercial brand? Black Kow manure is known to occasionally have aminopyralid herbicides in it.
@@ScottHead I bought black cow, and the Kellogg and mixed it together. First time to buy Kellogg brand, big box store had a great buy on that brand. I have used black cow several years. I'm not sure which it was in. I know I'm always taking a risk with any soil and this time it hit me. I know how you feel! These are the huge red containers that are like 25 gallon. 9 of them and about 6 15 gallon containers all full with bad soil. Its like burning money and these company's selling it don't care.
@@ScottHead my peppers seem to be doing fine. (Same soil) but they may die alsi. Its only affecting my tomatoes. They are all showing the curling and jagged leaf growth coming from the center of the plant.
Thank you for this video, we need to get the word out! I have a different garden heartbreak. I have cement and cinder blocks in my garden leaching heavy metals into my soil and veggies. And so many videos telling people to build cinderblock raised beds! Don't do it! They leach Arsenic, Mercury, Cadmium and a host of other heavy metals. Thanks for sharing. I needed to hear from someone going through a similar problem. I hope things are getting better for you. Dow also produce non-stick (e.g. tefal) persistent cancer causing products that build up in our bodies. Watch Dark Waters the film. Get the word out.
So sorry this happened. Grazon was the first thing I thought of when I watched your bad hay video. I use leaves/pine straw from my yard for mulch, but I have bought bagged composted manure. Won't be doing that anymore.
This is AWFUL! We've switched to using our own compost (We compost everything like David The Good). We use a mixture of dried fallen leaves and seaweed (We have a nearby unlimited source) to build / create our own growing medium and to use as a mulch in our garden. We've added some African Night Crawler composting worms to our compost bin outside, and it creates vermicompost QUICKLY which we then add to our garden. We use a half 55 gallon food grade barrel cut vertically and drill holes on the bottom for drainage. We place ALL our kitchen scraps in there along with the dried fallen leaves, and let the worms do the work. We also place some hardware cloth over the top and weigh it down with heavy rocks so that wildlife or our dog can't get to it. It WORKS! I hope this helps.
Wow, this is terrible. Thank you for spreading the word 👍
I have just run across what has caused my gardening dilemma this summer. Sunflowers, zinnias, tomatoes are all effected severely by exposure to something and now the most likely culprit is this aminopyralid contamination in the potting medium. I initially suspected a virus but I always thought the soil as the source of my problem. My first suspect was a starting medium that was comprised primarily of Canadian peat and perlite. Later I changed to a Fafard potting mix. The outcome was the same. The tomatoes germinated, grew, and appeared normal but eventually showed curling and deformation; the same with my sunflowers and zinnias. I plan to notify Fafard of my suspicions. Thank you for your sharing your information and good luck.
Are you saying that canadian peat moss is also infected?
I used it in my raised beds for mulch and they would not even grow weeds for about 5 years. I’m in my late 70’s and didn’t want to dig it all out both because of the cost to replace the soil as well as the labor. You are so right, it’s not ethical for the companies to produce.
I just started container gardening this year with my son. I am sorry to hear what happened to you, but so thankful you shared this information. I was debating if I wanted to make my own compost for my small gardening efforts or just buy some in the spring to amend the current potting soil. Now I know that trying to make my own is the better option to avoid this type of situation. Thank you so much for sharing.
Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. I purchased 8 yards of "organic compost" for my no dig garden and have total crop failure. I have decided to remove all of the compost, I am heart broken because of all my hard work, financial loss and the loss of my food for this year.
So whats new? Every avenue of our little lives are the exact same. We are lied to and manipulated on a daily basis. The sad part is most people don't care about anything around them and cant see more than one step in front of themselves. As long as the WiFI is fast and the cell phone is charged and ready, their lives are complete. So, nothing will ever change on a large scale. Thank you for this video; inspiring people to take charge of their own lives.
So sorry you had this problem...so tired of toxic chemicals invading food and processing! Thanks for the info.
I had two loads of manure delivered early in the season this year, unknowingly my intuition told me not to use them. After finding out about the Grazon problem. And contacting the farms that I received the manure from. Neither one had sprayed with Grazon but they had sprayed chemicals for thistle. Luckily I had two totes of compost that I had made here on my property that I used on my raised beds. So very sorry that this happened to so many people it truly makes us Think about our land and how we need to work to better stewards of our land and doing more for ourselves and not depending on outside sources.
Man, it’s like you were reading my mind this morning!!!
I feel your pain. It just happened to me. Perhaps if we make this more relevant in social media we could just win the battle. That is why I posted a video as well.
We don’t need the government to save us; we all just need to stop buying that stuff and the free market will take care of the rest.
Thanks for the tips; I’m actively applying them in my garden. Stay positive ✌️
Oh no! This is horrific! I'm terribly sorry this happened to you. I will take more care myself in hay and manure used in my garden.. Thank you for the warning.
I just posted this video in my FB gardening group. We all can learn from this.
Thank you for sharing! And I hope you can bounce back with some container tomatoes. I'm in the DFW area, and we still have lots of time left to grow tomatoes. :D
So sorry! This is horrible. Thanks so much for bringing this to the attention of others. This info needs to spread like wildfire through the homesteading community. I’ll sure pass it on.
Thank you for sharing this. It is pretty scary out there. Is anything organic anymore?
Very sorry to hear about your garden issue. I will watch with interest to see how you work to recover and wish you much success with everything you try.
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This is just one example of how the pursuit of the all mighty dollar is so destructive. I hate this happened to your wonderful garden!
If you have any Scandinavian viewers Aminopyralidis produced in Denmark by Dow AgroSciences Danmark A/S and sold under the name Lancelot. In Sweden restrictions are quite hard and there is recomendations of time to pass from use to growing some crops up to 24 months. It is also illegal to sell manure och straw/hey treated with Lancelot outside your farm. Hopefully this will prevent most disasters for your Swedish fellow gardeners. Swedish Chemistry inspections recommendations to farmers says 14 month before you can grow different Solanums (potato, chili, tomato) , beets , carrots , onions and different Apiaceae. 24 month for peas, beans, cucumbers, squash, pumpkins and lettuce. I hope you manage to get your soil healthy again and that next season will be better! The information from Swedisgh goverment maybe helpfull in choosing what to grow next year.
Thank you Lina, this is very helpful information. Thanks for taking time to share it.
Oh watching this is giving me flashbacks of my poor tomatoes and peas. I felt sick about it when I realized what was wrong. Thanks to you and David the Good. To remediate, I used biochar and planted lots of daikon radishes.
See Deep South Homestead also.They have just gone through this also.So sad we cant just grow our gardens without stuff like this happening.God Bless all.
Yeah I saw his. Everyone these days is experiencing it. People will begin waking up to the threat before too long.
Jessica Sowards at Roots and Refuge had to remediate soil following application of organic compost that had used manure from cattle fed on Grazon fields/hay.
Great video! Wow- I’m so sorry this happened to you 😞 it could happen to all of us. Thank you for sharing your story
I am just hearing of this, this year. A man bought cows to have his own manure and learned of the grazon. He was shoveling manure 3 days and pitching until it went thru their system.
Sorry that happened, the only way to know your hay is to know your farmer. We dont use any herbicide for hay...good fields produce good hay/grass. PS try growing sun hemp to clean up the soil in your garden.
Thanks so much for the info. I watched another one just yesterday from good David, I think it was and I think you mentioned. We were just about to go and purchase some straw bales from a local farmer here in NS, Canada. Now we're going to call him back first and ask if he sprays chemicals on his fields. It makes you wonder if big brother wants us to be successful gardeners to begin with, right? I'm guessing not. We really have to try to be completely self-reliant, if that's possible now-a-days. Best of luck to you as you try to rectify your soil issue. 👍🏻🙂
Yep, I quit using hay and straw in my garden. I use shredded leaves I get from yard crews for free.
Sorry to hear about your situation. I was afraid of this happening to someone. I’m over concerned with things to be put in the garden.
I see a lot of home gardeners here on UA-cam use mulch for their vegetable garden and containers. I was worried that it could contain some sort of herbicide or other contaminated wood. I ran into your videos where you recommended using straw or hay. I wasn’t able to locate any in my town that was within my budget. So I skipped the idea.
My three local mulch companies take fence boards and decking or any other wood from the general public and contractors. They charge $10 to dump a truckload of any wood material, trees, and grass clippings. They make this stuff into either compost or mulch. Then they dye the mulch. I worry that the wood and trees people and contractors dump have herbicides and other chemicals. I’ve seen people dump old broken down fencing that was treated with paint or water repellant oil/paint. Isn’t this stuff bad if we put it on our gardens? Just something to think about.
I have experienced similar practices. I purchased a bulk garden mix once that had topsoil and compost mixed, and some of the "compost" was comprised of chips of painted lumber. Very sketchy.
This is very worrying. I saw your first video showing the damage caused by using the poisoned hay then looked up David the good. His video about manure has really worried me.. gardeners have been using manure for ever as a natural source of nutrients for vegetable gardens and compost heaps. My family have just moved house and decided to use half of our old neglected garden to grow vegetables and fruits. Very much like yourself. I have a child and would love to see her picking and eating wholesome home grown food. My soil is pretty poor which i thought would really benefit from a rich natural homemade compost. We have been pulling up heaps of weeds and removed old leggy tired shrubs and cuttings from my weed ridden grass. We have pretty much copied your compost heaps at the side of your house and have crammed them with all this stuff including waste from my kitchen cardboard and paper etc. I decided to add some well rotted manure so purchased 3 large bags. I was just about to mix it into my young compost heaps when i saw your and David's videos. Although the bags of manure were purchased from a plant nursery which stocks mostly organic items im very nervous adding what should be a safe natural product into my compost heap which im going to spread over my entire garden. Even if stuff does manage to grow would you want to actually eat it ?.. its been 6 months of back breaking work to get my garden where it is now with a lot more work yet to do.. i dont want to ruin our efforts by possibly adding this awful chemical to my garden and future plants. Ive reused everything found in the garden. I dont want to waste anything and to add this manure and possibly wreck our new garden would be so upsetting. This subject has really worried me. Im so sorry this un necessary disaster has happened to you.. i hope by planting corn and grasses it will removed this toxic gunk from your lovely garden. Best wishes
Nicola, isn’t it just sad? This chemical contamination possibility is so persistent that it changes the way gardening has been done for centuries. Really, we can’t trust outside resources anymore. Best case is buy a year ahead of time and plant a test plant or two in a container with the outsourced manure or hay, see if it is contaminated. Indicator plants like tomatoes that are highly sensitive to aminopyralids will show a reaction dramatically. The downside is you lose the money if it’s tainted and have to find a way to get rid of it. Upside is you protect the rest of your valuable garden. But who’s got time for all that? Makes me angry we even have to have this conversation. Best of luck.
@@ScottHead Thank you Scott and best of luck to you too.
I'm fairly new to gardening and have been trying to grow organically in a raised bed for the past 3 years. I've only attempted tomatoes, herbs, & carrots. I've purchased all organic soils, manures, & mulch. I have yet to get one good tomato or carrot after 3 years. Herbs are a hit or miss. This year I only have a few potted herbs as I deemed myself a failure at gardening. After coming across this post I'm wondering how much of it was actually my fault.
I hope you know that you are appreciated internationally Scott. I live in New Zealand and I had no idea about this. Grazon is used widely here also. I will share your video widely . Thank you so much.
So sick thanks for sharing learned a lot
It means you cannot trust commercial supplier for anything in your garden
😥 sorry for your loss!
Hi Scott! Thanks for the information; I'm fighting it right now and it's been devastating. Since it's been a while, did the corn remediation work for you, or did you eventually have to replace the soil? I've lost about 150 gallons of finished compost, half that already spread on garden beds, and areas mulched with the uncomposted hay, and we're trying to figure out how to save the years of soil we've built up to this year :( Thanks!
Yes, the corn worked well, I've been growing for several seasons now with no herbicide.
@@ScottHead Thank you!
Thank you foe shining the light on this product. We have had issues with a differently herbicide here in the Willamette Valley used on tree farms. A friend took it to court after the home she bought that was built on tree gram land poisoned her garden. It persists in the soil for more than ten years.
Ouch! Ten YEARS!? That is utterly corrupt stuff! Sorry you had to deal with it.
Thank you for sharing this! It would be great if all growers and farmers used organic, natural means to controlling weeds, diseases and pests.
Horticulture for the win :D
Hi Scott - perfect video for me. I have two raised beds with this issue. I bought 10 yards of a Soil/Compost mix that was tainted with this stuff. My peppers are absolutely decimated by this. Gotta love paying good money for tainted soil. The company says they have never tested positive for herbicides, but only test periodically. So frustrating!
The same thing just happened to me, it's devastating! I found this product and am hoping it will help revive my soil...thought I'd pass the info along to you: www.soildiva.net/reclaim-by-soil-diva/
Wow! I have a backyard garden and have been bringing in cow manure compost from a big box store. Now I'm questioning that. I don't spray my lawn like my neighbors and no herbicides go in whatsoever. This is very disheartening and makes me very sad.
I just spent a few hundred dollars putting together a small vegetable just to have fallen victim to this problem myself.
I agree. Totally unethical practice.
Thank you for this, sir. I too, purchased straw to use as mulch and noticed that my beds are not thriving. I will look into this possible saboteur. Heartbreaking.
Thank you for your research and I'm sorry you had to find out by having this disaster in your garden. I'm in Canada and just bought some straw for compost. I'm about the take it up where I've spread it and then I will do my research to see what's happening in 'Canada. Thanks again. Appreciate your channel. Dow's Rexade used in Canada contains aminopyralid.
Rexade, another name on the brand list. You can always do a trial plant, sacrifice a tomato in a container with the straw, water it in really well. Its a shame to waste all that straw.
Scott Head . Yes, thank you. I used it around a new rhubarb root that now has new leaves and around strawberries that have grown new leaves and they seem to be doing O.K. We are just beginning to put out our plants now that the warmer weather has arrived. Thanks to you we'll know what to look for.
We of faith know we are used for purpose, not always that which we at first believed. This is a powerful message to share we were given a beautiful planet home to nurture and have nurture from, it is time those that seek to exploit are shown for what they are. Even for their own children's sake, whether they realise it or not. You are in our thoughts and prayers, miracles happen!
Did you get rid of the aminopyralid? I couldn’t find the final video in the series.
This is so sad. I don’t know if my hay for my horse has been sprayed or not but I’m not having any issues like you are. Praying for you and your family. So sorry this happened to you.
This is pretty wild, I inadvertently did a bioassay test with some pole beans started in the house vs a few started outdoors that had different soils. The one in the house is thriving ,trying to climb up the window blinds. The ones outside are stunted and seem to be curling up a bit and have not shot out any climbing tendrils yet. I got curious and looked into "contaminated municipal compost" and found out it's a thing. I wonder if our stuff has some bad persistent herbicides in the mix. How sad.
The same thing happened to me a few years ago. I am in the Orlando area. Anyway, I was reading (about a month ago) that Round Up leaves no effect on manures after several months. I have been experimenting with the manure pile that caused this issue. It is a few years old and I put some of it in a half barrel with good dirt and other nutrients and planted some purchased cabbage plants and planted them in it and they seem to be doing very well. I will let you know how they continue to grow. But right now, I have no leaf curling or stunted growth.
Its not roundup, it’s amonopyralids! Called ‘Grazon’ and many other names.
Brassicas like cabbages are unaffected by it.
It’s mainly beans, peas, tomatoes, potatoes that are affected
Hi.. Nice video. Thank you for sharing
I have a question. I have a round bale of hay that is full of weeds. I didn't feed it to my cows, but I did give it to my chickens to pick through and spread. I noticed that it smells somewhat of, lets say, Simple Green. Do you know what the Grazon smells like?
Thank you for the help.
I do not know what herbicides smell like, so sorry. I do like the smell of Simple Green tho.
I used a few bags straight manure in my soil mix. Maybe only 4 out of about 40 cubic feet. Hoping it is not an issue as far as the herbicide issue goes. Good info
Thank you so much for your video. We just bought a new property with an established organic garden, and am sad to see that my plants are affected. We brought in organic cow manure this spring. I'm not sure if that contributed, or if the garden was already contaminated. I had no idea what was causing such distorted growth, so am grateful for videos like yours. I am in Dripping Springs.
Sorry to hear that, it's a terribly common thing and hard to track down the source. Best of luck. Growing monocots in the contaminated space (grasses, corn) can help take up the herbicide. Grow a giant flint or dent corn, more biomass, and when its done, get that stuff out away from the garden.
My brother lives in Dripping Springs. 😊
Thank you so much for posting about this problem. I was thinking our problem was due to high phosphorus from an old chicken enclosure we fashioned into a veggie garden. Turns out it was the hay we used there all those years. All the soil is contaminated and we are beyond frustrated. How irresponsible of Dow. This will cost us a pretty penny to dig out the native earth and bring in raised beds and soil. Thank you for making this known.
You can grow corn on it and that will help take up a good amount of the herbicide. Chop it down and discard. Then, rather than dig the soil out, just build on top of it, in a few years what is left should be broken down. That's how I'd tackle it.
I can feel the pain as a gardener myself
Thank you for this video. I am so sorry this happened to you. What a heart break. I am having a similar issue in my garden. Plants are slow to grow. My beans grow weird, crinkled, almost fan folded leaves. I thought it was the summer heat. I live in the desert. I have some tomato’s that are spindly and never set fruit. My good tomatoes are starting to look weird. One has bulbed leaves on new growth. Not sure of the source. I bought one bag of Kellogg Soil Conditioner. Or maybe it was in the soil in my yard. I grow mostly in containers but I made compost tea from weeds in my yard. They seem to grow well! LOL! My biggest concern after learning about this is: what about eating the cows that eat the grass? If we can’t eat the vegetables grown with this stuff how can we trust the meat? This is very bad.
I'm hopeful Kellogg is not using tainted materials, but you can never be sure. I will be testing all bagged material from now on, which means the inconvenient step of having to purchase soils a month early in order to grow some beans in the bag.
Scott Head that sounds like a good idea. I hope Kellogg is not the source but it is the only thing new I have brought in. Hope your garden is really successful!
This crap is also in bags of mulch sold at big box stores. Some of the bags are labeled with having weed killers in them, however, I bought a bag of regular mulch and apparently it got into my bag. It took years for me to grow anything in that spot. I removed the soil, but it still took years for things to grow. I now only buy mulch from a local wood mill.
Wow! So upsetting. Last year was the first time I ever grew a tomato that started well and then developed curly top disease. I will be sharing this video.
Great info, thank you. So sorry about your garden! I’m hoping this was my last spring to bring in any store bought compost or manure. Scary stuff.
I have a bag of it in the back yard. I'll just spread it around a local green space where it won't do anyone any damage and fertilize the grass.
I just saw this. I knew not to use straw or hay on my garden after roundup ready wheat straw killed my tomatoes one year but I never heard of grazon. I noticed my tomatoes leaves are curling especially new growth and I can't figure why. I used Black Kow manure this year in my garden and now I'm not sure if I want to eat any tomatoes or any of my vegies. I've planted 35 tomatoe plants, 50 pepper plants. I grow the majority of my food and this is really upsetting. I don't use chemicals. I'm an heirloom gardener and if my soil is ruined and my vegetables poisoned I don't know what I will do. I have not planted my fall garden yet so that's one blessing. I won't be putting any manure in it. I will have my soil tested and make sure that's what it is before I destroy my garden. If it is I guess the best thing is to burn everything and plant rye. Thanks for the information.
A soil test usually will not indicate the presence of aminopyralids, at least any spoil test that I know of. Yes, planting a cover crop that is a grass or monocot like corn will help draw up the herbicide and store it in the foliage. That crop can be removed and discarded.
I'm glad I saw this video, I never even considered this. Sorry that happened to you 😔
So sorry. I have suspicions of this being in some cow manure I bought for the tomatoes are not doing well. This lines right up though with the day we live in. I'm sure the big boys are at the horse gate to shut the road side stands down.
From the MSDS sheet on Grazon:
Flash point : 52 deg.C (about 126F).
Not sure but solar sterilization might eliminate the Grazon.
For me, I put my soil in a stainless steel pot and cook it over a fire to about 203F (I can't get it higher without burning some of it).
I remove the pot and let sit for an hour and 1/2 to cool down to 130F.
I then place the soil in 5 gal plastic buckets with lids.
As soon as winter is here to stay I will put the soil back into the pots, augment with biochar, alaska fish fertilizer, and molasses.
Come spring time everything should be just fine.
This should get rid of the Grazon and any baddies in the soil. Baddies = viruses, fungus, PILL BUGS, insetc eggs, etc.
Cheaper to do this than to replace all my potting soil every year. About 1200 gallons of potting soil.
Thinking of making a pot in a pot setup with water in the outside pot to prevent any burning. Thinking double broiler of sorts.
Note: Some people just pour a lot of boiling water on their soil to do the job.
This *MIGHT* work for in ground gardens.
One could do a 'burn' on their soil too like prairies get done every year.
Not sure if that would be hot enough for long enough.
And then there are ordinances and fire risks...
I'm not sure if it was the cold weather, however, a month after laying down manure with straw on top, I saw on 2 or 3 occasions a worm on top of straw looking withered. It was cold, however, I did rake all of it up and now will see with this spring planting if their is any damage. Thank you.
Great information. I am done with bought manure now!
I'm so sorry to hear that. I would be absolutely furious!
You may want to consider bale gardening with organic straw while you're in the process of cleaning up your soil. Hopefully something good comes of this tragedy. God bless, my friend.
organic may mean less, as some organic straw has this chemical in it, via the cow manure that was used to fertilise it.
If you had a problem right after a heavy rain it could be that you ended up with hypoxic soil. The mulch combined with water and heavy amounts of bacterial//fungal growth can make the oxygen content in the soil basically zero. The roots of the plants will start to be consumed and eventually die.
MOST herbicides are not as crazy as people make them out to be. Herbicides are very very rarely long halftime. The most common herbicide glyphosate that is the active component of round up leaches away relatively quickly and only has an effect for about a month or so. (Even if round up wants you to think it'll keep grass out of your driveway for a year)
You need to test the Hay if you actually want to know if it has some sort of long term herbicide....