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  • @inkyheaven
    @inkyheaven 8 років тому +89

    I love how everyone in the comment section is so polite - no mindless fan of any band bashing anyone or the video! Very informative, interesting comments too.

  • @plantadelbosque
    @plantadelbosque 6 років тому +18

    I see like 90% of them like inspirations tbh x) and honestly? when a band is just starting, for me is just natural to sound just a as mix of their influences because they're still exploring sound, finding themselves, so to speak, so i find it actually quite endearing... it's when you have years of experience and sound the same as somebody else when it's troublesome

  • @Jun3Awzme
    @Jun3Awzme 8 років тому +70

    it sucks to think about that there's probably western artists plagiarizing hide's songs knowing that a lot of the audiences abroad doesn't know him

    • @yukayuzu1475
      @yukayuzu1475 8 років тому +27

      yeah! they dont support any artists other than americans! If X where born in the usa and still making the same songs, they mind be the biggest band of the world! there better than metallica but so many people dont know them! hide is not dead in our hearts!

  • @Peertje304
    @Peertje304 8 років тому +80

    when diru just began they had a lot of ' inspirations', which isn't exactly weird for a beginning band. and now they are subject to being ' inspirations' XD

    • @ryxarkhalyx
      @ryxarkhalyx 8 років тому +12

      fvcking true! now diru is the most influence japanese band beside x japan , l'arc en ciel, etc

    • @ACEsParkJunheeWreckedMeHard
      @ACEsParkJunheeWreckedMeHard 8 років тому +2

      As I was new to JRock I allways thought that GazettE was the most famouse band of all xD

    • @Peertje304
      @Peertje304 8 років тому +2

      A9HirotoPon I think both bands are very famous, but the difference being that the gazette caters to a larger audience than dir en grey. I think diru may be difficult to get into for a lot of people, especially with the very defensive [read: terrifying] fanbase.

    • @24caratrubbish64
      @24caratrubbish64 7 років тому

      ダイノサー京 I know this comment is old but yes ;w; I want to get into dir en grey but the fanbase is a bit defensive.. mainly when they're in the gazette comment sections.

    • @stackedrubbish7694
      @stackedrubbish7694 6 років тому +2

      stacked rubbish
      Exactly. Diru always make drama on every gazette song. If u hate a band don't listen to their songs. This is why I don't like DEG so much their fans are the worst sure not all of them. Some of them actually. Like 60% of them are over praising their band. They want to force their opinion on you.

  • @camelxravennova
    @camelxravennova 7 років тому +13

    I've listened to gackt since 2015 right now it's 2017... it already feels like a long time I love gackt

  • @panpan_pokan
    @panpan_pokan 8 років тому +14

    The chorus of 'Vampire's Love' by VAMPS sounds similar to the Chorus of 'DESTINY- The Lovers' by Versailles to me ;u; //I really like this video! you presented it in a really mature and respectful way and I think this is why people aren't encouraged to say pointless hate at each other hehe >u< / Really interesting to think about, I never want to pick out similarities like this as it may just be coincidence, and even if people copy eachother, it's a common occurrence in modern music and it isn't exactly easy to say for sure whether something is plagiarised or not..

  • @HangryKitsune
    @HangryKitsune 4 роки тому +5

    And that's why I left the vk scene, because at one point every band sounded and even looked the same and the whole originality got lost. Newer bands just started copying the older famous bands.
    Regarding Dir en Grey, if I remember correctly, they were fans of Luna Sea. But at least they still had their original style, despite the inspiration. Sometimes musicians do this willingly tho, as a homage to the other band. Maybe in some cases it was like this.

    • @nijilovesmusic
      @nijilovesmusic 2 роки тому +1

      That’s just modern day VKei. It’s all the same sound.

  • @cyan225
    @cyan225 8 років тому +11

    00:01 - 00:12 of both songs:
    Moi Dix Mois - pageant (2004) and Moon Hee Jun - Our Story (2001)
    Really interesting! I think this must be 100% coincidence ... I would be most surprise if Mana Sama & Heejun oppa had ever heard of each other. LOL
    They are different in all the ways, though their birthday are close to each other.

  • @saltyparabolas9561
    @saltyparabolas9561 7 років тому +12

    As a fan of Diru, yeah they ripped off so many styles when they were young. Like they were basically a clone of Kuroyume (which I don't mind, they did it well) for the entire Indies era and into "GAUZE". I didn't catch all the stuff they "borrowed" from LUNA SEA that you did so great job! One thing I thought sounded REALLY similar was LUNA SEA's "MOON" opening riff and Die's solo part in "GARDEN" (the staccato picking part where Toshiya and Kaoru join in).
    Another good one is Ken's "Deeper" has an opening riff that is identical to BUCK-TICK's "Jupiter".

  • @23rdcal
    @23rdcal 7 років тому +22

    There are not plagiarism i think, it just similiar, b cause all rock or japanese rock structures and chords are not much different

    • @cryo5177
      @cryo5177 4 роки тому +1

      I agree here as composer. None of that sounded like plagiarism. Inspiration yes but the chords and melodies were still different, mostly the rhyrm was similar at times.

  • @linseydejager1716
    @linseydejager1716 2 роки тому +2

    Given that one only has so many chords to choose from and only so many chord progressions... at some point you're going to come across melodies, intros and riffs which sound very similar and are completely coincidental, or, at least, partially coincidental as they may have been 'inspired' by other songs/artists. That said, some of the songs you listed are blatant copy and paste (with MAYBE a minor change in key... )... However, the only one I don't completely agree with and say it's PROBABLY just a coincidence is #8 the chords/progression/melody of Lycoan vs Sads since both the songs are written with a standard Reggae chord progression format, so there is bound to be some similarity to them...

  • @EkkusuGazettE
    @EkkusuGazettE 9 років тому +9

    hmm sadie's suicidal rock city and the gazette's vortex? gigamous' dennou big mouse, sadie's tokyo gypsy and the gazette's akai one piece. there are many more out there. sometimes they juz choose to incorporate a certain part which they like and modify it. :D

  • @LiveinJogja
    @LiveinJogja 5 років тому +2

    What immediately came in mind...
    D-Shade - Believe ua-cam.com/video/4nuVXwgyvKg/v-deo.html vs CRAZE - RISKY ua-cam.com/video/rPKjN4cWxD8/v-deo.html
    La’cryma Christi - Your song
    ua-cam.com/video/VaXcEB1uA3w/v-deo.html (I like La'cry, but this song is basically L'Arc's Lies and Truth with modified singing)

  • @AddictedToEmotions
    @AddictedToEmotions 8 років тому +11

    I think it's because they all... Play similar. I don't want to say that they all do the same thing, naah, but there are some.. canons? that they use them very often.If I know better on music i would named them... There is lots of songs where these canons were used, yet they all are awesome! it's something characteristic to this gendre I think.

  • @Verisfens
    @Verisfens 8 років тому +4

    Helios / 摩天楼オペラ - 0:15 and Within Temptation - See Who I am - 0:01.

  • @melparkinson3941
    @melparkinson3941 4 роки тому +3

    Generally, I think it's coincidence. It can also be inspiration.. hearing something and thinking "that's cool, but if I were to change this and this then I could do such and such". It's not impossible for two guitarists to come up with the same riff, or drummers to come up with the same fills.. it's how the entire song comes together that makes them unique.

  • @camelxravennova
    @camelxravennova 7 років тому +6

    To me invincible wall by the gazette does not sound like obscurity by cat fist

  • @o15ika
    @o15ika 5 років тому +1

    That Grieva PV is a HD remake of Dir en grey's MISSA/KAEDE PVs? o_O I suppose they're an old VK bands tribute? They have other photo session that reminds me to Malice Mizer....

  • @DisgustingEye
    @DisgustingEye 16 днів тому

    I have an example from western music:
    Lycaon - Insanity vs System of a Down - Toxicity (Intro Riff) :)

  • @vivianhsiao1947
    @vivianhsiao1947 Рік тому

    Japanese had a lot of metal rock bands, all the rock band is very good. Right now more popular band is Wagakki & One Ok Rock & Man With A Mission, their music was into US marketing or collab with American artists. Ready Babymetal was very popular band too, but to bad the band was disbanded no longer to perform. Everybody can be rock star, but to do the rock music industry in Japan is very difficult to get famous. They need to sale a lot of their music record or albums, they need huge fans base to supporting the groups.

  • @Re0wijaya
    @Re0wijaya 7 років тому +3

    Abingdon Boys School's Nephilim had Similiarity with Linkin Park's Easier to Run on the intro

  • @YumeGt
    @YumeGt 8 років тому +5

    and diru fans know that in they early years they love and want to be like luna sea. Toshiya said it

  • @smiley-skeleton4598
    @smiley-skeleton4598 8 років тому +4

    I've been listening to both "ever" and "Itsuwari no Kamen" a lot lately and it never crossed my mind that they are similar. 0.o The more you know... Anyway, the first time I've seen plagiarism in J-rock was when I listened to Fest Vainqueur's "Valencia to Virginia". They might not be too similar overall, but I swear the chorus is lifted directly from DIAURA's "Menace".

    • @ACEsParkJunheeWreckedMeHard
      @ACEsParkJunheeWreckedMeHard 8 років тому

      the best plagiarism I ever heard was shortly after DIV (who disbandet some weeks ago) was new and brought out the song "Seasons" in 2012. Only one year before this their vocal Chisa was in a band called "NEXX" and made the same song but the version of DIV isn't that much rocky as the original version and people totally comented under the video, if Chisa has the rights to copy a song of his old band or if thst is illegal xD

  • @MikiBlackheart
    @MikiBlackheart 8 років тому +3

    Is kinda hard to dont have this ´´plagiarism ´´ tho, specially when you take inspo from other bands similar to yours and to others XD , im not saying that i love the fact but yeah is nearly impossible

  • @arachnidangelina
    @arachnidangelina 9 років тому +11

    MEJIBRAY'S Echo's chorus sounds similar to SID'S Monochrome no Kiss'!

    • @CatnessProductions
      @CatnessProductions  9 років тому

      Diru Grey Thanks, i never listen this song

    • @arachnidangelina
      @arachnidangelina 9 років тому

      Catness Productions - JRock and Piano Tutorials No problem!

    • @lizadelacruz9724
      @lizadelacruz9724 9 років тому +2

      +angel not totally the same ... sid sounds in a happy way hehehe and mejibray sounds so sad .. :3
      (sorry for bad english)

    • @EndSeaTea
      @EndSeaTea 9 років тому +1

      I thought it reminded me of Flowery by Versailles

  • @캐리바보
    @캐리바보 7 років тому +4

    most of them are most likely bust coincidences stip trying to blame them D: there are many many songs that sound similar XD theres only so much like musical melodies/tunes sound or whatever it all could just be a huge coincidence that it sounds similar lol

  • @larsulrich26ulrich42
    @larsulrich26ulrich42 7 років тому +4

    Another one similarities ; X-Japan and all BabyMetal songs :)

  • @dorka1999missy
    @dorka1999missy 8 років тому +5

    My favoutite one is the Jupiter's Birth of Venus. The intro is like Versailles's After Cloudia's intro, and the beginning chorus is exactly the same as Aikaryu - Ryunen on the Contrary guitar solo's last part. I always laugh at tis song ^.^ xD

    • @CatnessProductions
      @CatnessProductions  8 років тому

      +Dóri Turcsán Thank you for your suggestion :)

    • @MikiBlackheart
      @MikiBlackheart 8 років тому

      still i adore the song tho xD

    • @elizabethflores9359
      @elizabethflores9359 8 років тому +1

      actully the two "band " versailles member are same people as jupiture it just versailles took a break for 3 years so all members from versailles made the jupiture and the reason why the singer is not the same is the kamijo versailles singer went solo for the three years so they worked with zin so that is nothing the thing that the in this are completely deffrinent so yeah.

    • @dal4268
      @dal4268 7 років тому

      Mines Plastic tree

  • @bluetwinkiesaregood
    @bluetwinkiesaregood 7 років тому +2

    I'm glad you're taking this maturely and constructive with your criticism. I remember long ago I said a Dir en grey song sounded like Nirvana's Teen Spirit and all these fan girls went nuts on me. I love Dir en grey btw, I can't remember which song it was, but the opening sounded too familiar. Is that weird?

  • @hajiru157boladao
    @hajiru157boladao 8 років тому +2

    You should check "Aru tora" - DOGinThePWO and "CROSS GAME" - Alice Nine. hehe

  • @ronja9726
    @ronja9726 8 років тому +4

    Killaneth - セラフ。(seraph.) and girugamesh - go ahed

  • @reginareiter8784
    @reginareiter8784 7 років тому +3

    You forgot about heidi. - Kane no naru oka vs Pierrot - Mad sky

  • @PinkWolfieLove
    @PinkWolfieLove 8 років тому +3

    How about Green Day's song Stray heart? Sounds way too similar to LM.C's Sentimental Piggy Romance.

  • @jiveturkey969
    @jiveturkey969 7 років тому +1

    A good comparison would be the riff structure between "Hyena" by The GazettE and "G" by LUNA SEA. And no, the live version is better than the studio version of "G." What sucks is UA-cam"s audio compression abilities which is almost always why we can never get a decent audio rip.

  • @YumeGt
    @YumeGt 8 років тому +4

    no for nothing Kiyoharu is a legend an the favorite of many

  • @hellokittylovesyou
    @hellokittylovesyou 8 років тому +5

    Maybe it's just me but Versailles's Aristocrats Symphony sounds like X Japan's Silent Jealousy in some parts...

  • @terusama
    @terusama 8 років тому +5

    Here's another one!!! and it should be in the list:
    Another World (Gackt) - 3 Small Words (Josie & The Pussycats)

  • @saymyname5929
    @saymyname5929 7 років тому +4

    maybe because most of them are,inspired by the previous musicians...most bands are like that...but I think how they express their own music is really impressive....it may resemblance...but not outright copying..its nice they know how to look up at good bands earlier than them......

  • @angelica0196
    @angelica0196 9 років тому +2

    Hikari no Kioku and Last Song seems with Cassis from the GazettE too, lol :v

  • @Kazue999
    @Kazue999 8 років тому +5

    I noticed in LM.C Boys and Girls there's part of canon xD idk if it was just me but it was so obvious

    • @Ikiya69
      @Ikiya69 7 років тому

      Kazue999 Try Vidoll - SinAi

  • @LJEssex
    @LJEssex 6 років тому

    I watched all three videos and was honestly surprised to not see Matenrou Opera on here because a good number of their songs are inspired from those of other bands (or plagiarized, which I can’t confirm or deny that since I don’t know the band members personally). Songs like Faust with the intro being pretty much identical to the intro of Symphony X’s Set the World on Fire, and they’re two years apart in release, as well. Another one would be Burning Soul’s chorus being similar to The Mourning After (Carry On)by Kamelot. I believe the songs are about 12 years apart...? I know that MO’s band members like both Kamelot and Symphony X, so the inspiration is most likely deliberate. I also like both bands (and I saw and met Kamelot earlier this year, too!), so I can’t blame them for wanting to mimic them a bit. lol

    • @VICE-H3RO
      @VICE-H3RO 4 роки тому

      I feel Matenrou Opera songs often have sections that resemble other band's songs. Little disappointed when I hear the similarities tbh :(
      Innovational Symphonia = Miss Mystery by Breakerz, Gloria = Emerald Sword by Rhapsody, Curse of Blood = Raining Blood by Slayer, Helios = See who I am by Within Temptation
      Sometimes it is just the chorus or some riffs that sound similiar.

    • @LJEssex
      @LJEssex 4 роки тому

      @@VICE-H3RO I never would've guessed that Helios and See Who I Am had similarities, but now I'm hearing it since you brought it up. The intro to See Who I Am resembles that of the middle of Helios. Interesting.

  • @nikolashl
    @nikolashl 3 роки тому

    In the Grieva's band it sounds like that of dahlia from X JAPAN, I arrived very late

  • @MickayLeonne
    @MickayLeonne 7 років тому +2

    apparently theyre law in Japan "any band can "cover" " music and legally do it? just by changing lyrics? .. (dont sure if its true, band a very lot of japanese band do it) and yeahw most of japanese band use other riff, or intro etc from another band..

    • @Moribax85
      @Moribax85 7 років тому +2

      not really, japanese copyright law is basically the same as everywhere else, but there's another thing to consider in this case: record companies. unlike in the west, where there are a lot of small independent record companies, in japan there are a couple of majors with dozens of sub-companies, and the songs, expecially for the first albums, when the group isn't big yet, are property of the company, that can lend them to new prospects... this obviously doesn't happen with affirmed artists since they're way to big for companies to exert that kind of control, they make too much money for them, losing them to another company would be a significant hit

  • @ACEsParkJunheeWreckedMeHard
    @ACEsParkJunheeWreckedMeHard 8 років тому +1

    I am not sure anymore wich song it was but there was a song of a band that was similar to a song of Radwimps ^^ can anyone help me, my head dosn't finds it anymore xD

  • @cryo5177
    @cryo5177 4 роки тому +2

    Nah, it's not plagiarism. They just use same chords but with different melodies, at times rhytms might be similar. This is completely normal when composing music. Influences come from all around and sometimes you might remember a melody part you heard somewhere and include that in your song.

  • @Pelllaw26
    @Pelllaw26 7 років тому +1

    second one sounds a bit like " you really got me" XD

  • @dimagi7864
    @dimagi7864 8 років тому +1

    Boogieman - New World's beginning sounds like An Cafe's Escapism

  • @OokamiTsu
    @OokamiTsu 4 роки тому

    Lolita23Q Primal Scream and OOR Kokoro no Cupid

  • @MaikuTatsuya
    @MaikuTatsuya 9 років тому +4

    Maybe, I have not a great musical ear but ...
    I have a question
    the songs that rank first, are bit similar to Dhalia - X Japan?
    or is it just my idea? O_O

    • @CatnessProductions
      @CatnessProductions  9 років тому +1

      +MaikuTatsuya Dahlia sounds very different

    • @EkkusuGazettE
      @EkkusuGazettE 9 років тому +1

      +MaikuTatsuya haha yea i thought they sounded more like dahlia too

  • @mariskajion
    @mariskajion 5 років тому +1

    Maybe you need to make an entire video about guniw tools 😂😂😂

  • @ohcomeongetoutofhere
    @ohcomeongetoutofhere 6 років тому

    I heard "Dress" from Buck-Tick is copied, but no one could tell me a name or a title to compare with. Does anyone know anything about that?

  • @ACEsParkJunheeWreckedMeHard
    @ACEsParkJunheeWreckedMeHard 8 років тому +1

    The guy from the band SADS in the #06 is looking somehow like Byou (ex. SCREW)

    • @gvsd3
      @gvsd3 7 років тому

      ex.SCREW?...so they've disband :(...ouh I just know it after reading your comment

    • @rryase
      @rryase 7 років тому

      +GVSD3 oh dang me too x/

    • @alejandravallejos7802
      @alejandravallejos7802 7 років тому

      army???

  • @ado9adore6
    @ado9adore6 4 роки тому

    RAPHAEL!!!! I think nobody know about this group =))

  • @stackedrubbish7694
    @stackedrubbish7694 6 років тому +1

    U forgot mejibray ( Emily) ripped off gazette reila

  • @guitlysky
    @guitlysky 6 років тому

    the gazette fadeless sounds like 清春 the sun ~~

  • @HI-cw2rz
    @HI-cw2rz 7 років тому +1

    やっぱりトップはグリーヴァとDIRかw

  • @zeron918
    @zeron918 7 років тому +1

    The gazette XC

  • @muavead
    @muavead 4 роки тому +1

    Thereś not much what you can play around when You are doing music .. the same what it is with fashion and food.. cause the material to work with is limited in a sense. When You are even little bit studied music (music notation, structure of the musical piece and all what is related to it, minors majors etc.. ) you know that the room to play around is not much. So plagiarism as per se is a bit gray area .. So i hope people really learn ins and outs before they can say 100% that the work is plagiarised. Also these days here is places where musicians can buy bits and pieces of melody to build upon their own work into it, what common folk do not know exists . So for example i hear some piece of melody what will get stuck in my head , or i get some melody sting in my head forming without being heard it before and i build my composition upon/around it... And then it comes out that someone has done something similar? So am i then plagiarising it? Therefore as much as lawyers etc want to get their hands into all this..unless all musical elements are copyrighted or patented..there is no right or wrong and to allow such to happen... Then only one thing is left to say..human kind is rotten to the core, if this happens! I think there is some kind of measure in the place ( percentage ) to evaluate the work if it is or if it is not..

  • @terusama
    @terusama 8 років тому

    "Shiver" by the Gazette almost sounds like "Setsunasa yori mo tookue" by Siam Shade

    • @bbliu2778
      @bbliu2778 8 років тому +2

      terusama no, they are totally different.

    • @stackedrubbish7694
      @stackedrubbish7694 6 років тому

      terusama man they are sooo different lol

  • @TheSonsofHorusx
    @TheSonsofHorusx 7 років тому +2

    i guess pierrot just rips off everyone xD

  • @diskakarinawearex1736
    @diskakarinawearex1736 7 років тому

    Oooooohhhhh

  • @widyamayuhotaru2498
    @widyamayuhotaru2498 8 років тому

    killing me mejibray or synk ;yet

  • @CatnessProductions
    @CatnessProductions  9 років тому

    #VisualKei #J-Rock

  • @reindefleur7831
    @reindefleur7831 7 років тому +1

    u should call greiva are a copy band.i think they are not artist anymore.

  • @coldzzzzxxxx
    @coldzzzzxxxx 5 років тому

    Lycaon's was a stretch

  • @gabriella6120
    @gabriella6120 7 років тому

    lol

  • @joot9184
    @joot9184 6 років тому +2

    Is it just me or does every singer in jrock sound almost exactly the same

  • @park6799-q8y
    @park6799-q8y 5 років тому

    Cute japan