@farzyness Johnny's comment on China being a force for good is not based in reality. You guys really need to start following China Uncensourced here on UA-cam that covers what China is doing on a weekly basis. They brag about being the biggest solar producer in the world and leading the green revolution but at the same time they're building tons of coal plants and polluting more than the entire world combined. They're also bragging about their electric vechile production which of course is impressive but they have no intrest in ensuring enviroemental standards or safety standards in that production which is why we see tons of chinese electric cars and scooters that catch fire. The reason you might have a positive image on china is because China heavily controls their social media and news. Bad stories from china doesn't spread around the world in the same way as with other countries because they get shut them down. However, channels like China Uncensored publish these stories every week because they catch them before they're taken off the Chinese internet. Other good channels to get a better view on what is going on behind the scenes are The China Show (by two western guys who lived in china for many years) and the China Observer.
Smashed the like button simply because of the very first statement. More Elon, less Kim. In fact I would even go as far to say it would be best to simply remove Kim from the spotlight.
Guys... get Johnny Harris on your show. Bet you, he would respond. Not only do I watch your content but Johnny's as well. Extend your reach of educating the masses on the other side.. Cheers from Canada.
It's likely already happened. They have a small number of them working at Giga Texas right now. Granted, Optimus is creating more jobs than it is replacing while in development, but the train is coming. I wonder who the last person replaced by Optimus will be, and what will our world look like then.
I wonder if there will be a backlash against companies that use humanoid robots, just as there is against companies that use (used) child labor? On the other hand, we are not too concerned about displacing jobs when companies use large robot arms to weld a car. But the humanoid form factor will make it seem more personal.
Dzień dobry ... a powinien Pan Mózg spróbować ... zarost, broda pasowałby Mu ... jest Królem innowacji i sukcesu w biznesie, a do tego Ojciec, broda mądrość i dojrzałość, dlaczego nie ?
I totally agree with the trauma comments. I’ve always thought that played a major role. When you’re pushed that far by someone who should have been your greatest cheerleader, you develop the capacity to push that far in your own aspirations. It’s sort of like to the extent that you pull the rock back in the slingshot, it projects in the other direction to that extent. Some people, unfortunately, don’t learn from it and project in the other direction. They stay in that negative area. I grieve for people whose parents treated them that way. I’m grateful that Elon has risen above it, like the Phoenix from the ash as you said. Isaacson stated that Elon was very guarded about that information for quite a long time before he finally revealed his relationship with his father. I hope that talking about it was cathartic. Kimbal corroborates it all and you can tell it pains him even to talk about it as well.
This is an excellent, measured retort to the Johnny Harris piece from two Elon fan boys, more like this please guys. My takeaway is it is very important to look at both sides of the argument & not live in an echo chamber, it certainly made me think a bit more about Elon’s overall integrity.
I admit to being a left leaning moderate, and find a lot of Elon's political comments cringe and ironically thoughtless, but I also worked in technology development for many years and know what it takes to make a vision real and profitable. He is the best there is, truly making the impossible merely late. I am concerned about his politics but I believe he is well intentioned, if mean spirited at times.
The removal of excess staff at Twitter made sense to me. The slashing of staff at Tesla seemed wrong to me. However I am betting that it did improve Tesla. I'm too soft for leadership and recognise this fault in myself. Elon is achieving so much that I cannot blame him for tough decisions.
Being politically intolerant of other views is not a great look. Red Ink is easy black ink is the difficult thing. Truth is truth, freedom of speech is freedom of speech. The left has driven way past its junction and for this reason that which was viewed as moderate is now considered right wing. Musk is a moderate. It is also perfectly ok to have political opinions and support your chosen Presidential candidate now matter he be black, brown rainbow, white or yes.... Orange!! To be clear, there are NO absolute correct assumptions. Just your (or my) opinions which might be right or might be wrong!! Truth is not mean. It just means you don't like it. Hope that explains why I believe you are wrong!
His obsession with the border and conspiracy theory that they're allowed to come in to vote is so easily proven false. It makes me wonder how someone, an immigrant, is so brilliant yet can have seriously flawed beliefs. Haven't heard him mention Project 2025 yet which will push back EV adoption solar and grid scale battery storage.
@IsaiahBridges-ij3xg I live 5 miles from the border. I work in Brownsville. We get the most immigrants here in the RGV. We've been the fastest growing part of the US for 15yrs. Places here won't hire you if you don't speak Spanish. Elon thinks all these people will become voters or are voting. Shut they worry more about the President of Mex. Also they don't have ID'S. So how he believes this fairy-tale is beyond me. Most are conservative anyway Reagan conservative. At least you can say you learned something today... right!?
Why don't you rather talk about Bill Gates or Zuckerberg or Bezos or any number of "influencers! who, I would say, are capable of making the future to their liking , rather than Elon who puts his thoughts out there for people to see AND to disagree with. edit spelling, nobody seemed to notice, I got there just in time.😂😂
@@davidtuer5825 This is why taxation of the rich is important. As it keeps to much money. From being held into to few hands. What do the rich and powerful want? They want to be richer, and more powerful! They want it all!! Including Elon!!
World's first trillionaire I've thought about. Earlier than most. I never extrapolated to having the net worth of the GDP of one of the largest 10 countries on Earth. Well. he can always pledge (legally swear) that 95% of his wealth will go to developing and sustaining Mars. Great conversation! I would watch the discussion podcast with Johnny! Thanks!
So far, SpaceX is doing such gangbusters work that it is easily funding Starship. No money coming from Elon’s stock .. maybe used as collateral or something but his shares are only increasing..
@@mnhsty Fair point! "United States/Gross domestic product 25.44 trillion USD (2022)" "The financial position of the United States includes assets of at least $269 trillion (1576% of GDP) and debts of $145.8 trillion (852% of GDP) to produce a net worth of at least $123.8 trillion (723% of GDP)."
@@turningpoint4238except the left is the dominate power in the world, especially in US. The woke left DNC owns the MSM and SM. They actively censor. They are violent and unhinged. The left is actively trying to kill Trump and Musk.
@@turningpoint4238 At least the right won't try to permanently muti late your kids behind you back and starve everyone to de ath with deliberate economic collapse.
@@turningpoint4238 Its just that the Left is the Dominant force in culture and politics. The Left is the Establishment and is throwing its weight around. You are correct that the extreme elements of right and left are rigid and dogmatic. The concern that most of us have now is that the Left is able to legislate and enforce its dogma through its Establishment status, having monopoly on media and culture, very loud propaganda arms, while enforcing censorship on opposing opinions and ideas. The left is all too willing to persecute and prosecute anyone that expresses opposition to its garbage.
A must read: I’m 74 and TSLA since 2019, Musk and Tesla since 2008, Farzad fan for the last couple and Hans somewhat similar. You guys rocked it tonight! I really liked Hans’ take on China and colonialism etc. he was right on. Farzad, when you brought up trauma as a trigger for certain mega success stories, etc. that really rang true too and then the future economy (what does that even mean anymore?) stuff. Lots of positive stuff, full of hope for us bumbling doofusses still somewhat attached to the trees we lost our vine curling tails in hah! I laughed so hard at the end, I was cryin for laughin out loud! Thanks, you are both positive influences in my life and thinking and I thank you for sharing yourselves. Take care, Bill
I really hope he would come to your podcast! This one would be very productive for sure! Jonny’s videos are always very well thought through and I think he could very well speak about this topic with you. We could learn a lot for sure!
The handsome man with the guitar 🎸is correct!! PEOPLE with AUTISM is a TRUE GIFT.. Elon does HIS WAY…… RESPECT ALL AUTISM… lots of ignorant people out here who don’t give a dam about special needs especially college professors.
The “everybody can be rich scenario “ ignores the fact that there are limited natural resources, which are usually necessary for any kind of product or goods.
thx so much i cant believe u did this for us while trying to get money from adds, amazing thank you thank you what have i done to deserve this . Thank you
In a big way to your point Farzad about the critiques of Elon becoming increasingly more important the more powerful Elon becomes, the left in this regard are the Conservative reaction to the very progressive change Elon brings. This is taken from Jonathan Haidt’s descriptor of conservative vs progressive on the All-In interview.
JD, I absolutely agree. The term, "left," has become a misdirection to manufacture consent amongst the working class. Similar to how magicians/illusionists operate. "Left" is used by the liberal right (and populists and conservative right) to confuse the priorities of empire and status quo over the prosperity of workers. The liberal right presents itself as the adults in the room. This causes the overton window (the perception of political discussion which is politically correct/reasonable) to move right.
@jeffnewcomb601 If the prosperity of the international working class, the ecology, the right of self determination, direct democracy at the point of production and free speech are not embraced by the action and/or the philosophy, it is not left. The confusion arises from lifestyles, actions, and philosophy branded as left. Basic. Your statement addresses exactly the issue I am attempting to clarify.
@jeffnewcomb601 The status quo/establishment is overwhelmingly in favor of the empire, such as the deletion of Palestine. Therefore, no matter how favorable they are to a vegan diet, and buying products with minimal packaging for instance, they would most likely best be described as liberal right, not left. As much as they would prefer to have the left brand, it simply is not accurate.
Realistic Robotaxi Plan for Tesla 1. Tesla can use FSD to deliver a car to the customer: Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology can autonomously deliver vehicles to customers' locations, providing a convenient and efficient service. 2. Let customers use their own insurance to drive the car as if they were rental cars: Customers can drive the delivered car using their personal insurance, similar to how traditional rental cars operate. Advantages: 1. Saving the insurance fee: By allowing customers to use their own insurance, Tesla can eliminate the additional insurance costs typically associated with rental or ride-sharing services. 2. Appealing to a broader range of customers: Customers who do not fully trust FSD technology can still use the robotaxi service by driving the cars themselves. This flexibility makes the service more attractive to a wider audience, including those who prefer traditional driving.
I think society was transformed silently with algorithms over the last while, and under the guise of being "politically correct", "normal" shifted more to the left. Elon is now publically pushing normal back closer to the middle to achieve balance and freedom and a portion of the population is complaining for being forced to eat their vegetables. Change is hard. When we see how Elon provided a place of abundance, we'll look back and forget this moment in time. The one thing I'm worried about in the future is humans finding purpose since anything worth doing will be done already, this stripping the ability to generate value away from humans.
@@mnhsty It was a cesspool before too, you just didn't mind it because it was a far left cesspool. The only reason you think it's a problem, is because your political opponents also get to speak now.
Government would never allow it, wealth disparity is the main excuse for why they even exist. They're not going to let someone else solve a problem that they make trillions a year from pretending to solve.
re. Turkey, the point was that fighting takedown requests from a government that wishes to silence its critics is in direct conflict with currying favor from that same government for access to its markets for other Musk products or permitting for manufacturing facilities
@@EwanM11 If anything it's easier. An private individual only has power over those that consent to it, but a public committee (otherwise known as government) can exercise arbitrary power over others, whether they consent to it or not.
He invests in the future of all humankind throughout the world. As our government has sent our industries to other countries 🇨🇳. The industry has got to come back to America. He's aware you can't take it with you when it's your time to go. Leaving it to the 🌎and the next generations to carry on.
@@preeyakumari-i2q Wrong, the government raised taxes and regulation to unreasonable levels, which is what sent companies overseas. Operating locally and teaching your fellow countrymen how to work for you is 10x easier than operating in a foreign country and telling random foreigners on the other side of the planet how to do it. The problem is that it's also 10x more expensive thanks to local government policies, so the exponentially cheaper option wins.
@@liquidsnakex Wrong ,industries after polluting the streams and rivers in the U.S. wanted to move where there was little or no regulation or pay workers a fair wage, but stayed incorporated in the U.S. to use the law and legal protections afforded under the Constitution
@@preeyakumari-i2q Nah, this is disproven by the fact that many of the big tech companies moved to Ireland, which still has even more regulations and even better wages, but simply taxes corps at 12.5% rather than 35%. Soz to burst your bubble, but your ideology simply has no basis in reality and actively hurts the very people you claim to help. $10 an hour seems bad... until you realize the alternative is outsourcing for them and welfare for you, given to you by a criminal organization that produces nothing but misery.
10:22 I agree with your point Farzad. And I believe we (those who follow him closely or those who really know him best) should be his watchdogs, should be the ones that consider his flaws but also his good demeanor, the ones that should use first principles and critical thinking (as Elon always defend should be done) to signal up any power abuse. Because as we and he well know, the “ring of power” corrupts the soul.
Too often power corrupts. And Elon’s quirky and controversial judgment on issues outside his companies are cause for some degree of worry. So good discussion to have. Trust but verify.
To many people (and many mass media narratives) Elon has horns. I'm glad that at least he doesn't try to hide or deny, his flaws, like many other celebrities, public figures, and influential people. "Be less wrong" is a worthy, if not always achievable, goal.
Bias acknowledges an inherent reason to stay open-minded about other views. It reminds us that our perspectives can be limited or influenced by various factors, including conflicts of interest and over-representing personal experiences in one’s analysis. Being open to different viewpoints helps ensure a more balanced and comprehensive understanding of any issue. Simply asserting that everyone has a point of view lends itself to the argument that we should only listen to those who are far more informed than others; many will take the most knowledgeable word for it. Even the most informed are prone to harming the innocent often with the best intentions.
I watched the video in reference. aside from the comment about Tesla taking subsidies which it never has and some personal references to Elon I find it fairly accurate
Remember the hit piece Wendover Productions did last year “how Tesla fumbled“. My feeling is this is another one of those. Johnny comes out pretending to be all fair and balanced, but once he starts talking about Twitter, he very quickly starts quoting anonymous sources, and questionable data. Shame on you,Johnny.
52:45 - This is a persistent misconception, Farzad. While some do see social mobility due to capitalism, they are the outliers (including you and me). We're the *exception* to the rule; not the rule. The US only has 12% social mobility. Scandinavian countries average 16%. 20% between each economic quintile is considered "perfect" social mobility. IAW you have an equal chance of mobility based on your work ethic, etc. This is not really true in the US, though the ones at the top keep spreading that lie to make it seem like the system that enriched them is the ONLY POSSIBLE OPTION. It's like someone starting a game of Monopoly owning all the properties. What do you imagine their perception the game of Monopoly is compared to someone who DOES NOT start with any properties? Probably pretty favorable, as it is rigged in their favor. This is why ever since the US embraced the neoliberal system, we have ruthlessly backed any coups we could to destroy socialism and communism around the world - no one should be allowed to play a game other than Monopoly, which those in power own all the board pieces to. "Please stay, and keep playing the game I can't lose!" Social democracies like those in Scandinavia, actually have higher social mobility scores, due to robust social safety nets like free healthcare, and/or college. No one becomes lazy because they have those social safety nets. In fact, to the contrary... Scandinavia has the *MOST* millionaires per capita in the world! It's EASIER to become a millionaire there, despite the BS about the "American Dream". You even contradict yourself here. Remember all those times you talked about how Optimus would free up people's time to pursue meaningful endeavors? What do you think UBI, and other socialist policies do? They don't make you give up and be lazy, they empower you to be even more productive. Would you say that you have better relationships now that you quit working? I would. Being freed form the necessity to work for someone else's profits reduces my stress, makes me MORE productive, happier, a better sibling, son, etc.
Almost everybody had some form of childhood trauma. A minority gets it processed. Most will make bad decisions because of them. Few will do outstanding things because of them.
Does this mean that by giving our children sheltered and protected childhoods, we are actually limiting their ability to achieve great things in the future? Are we inadvertently sabotaging the future of our civilization? Remember the Johnny Cash song "A Boy Named Sue?"
Protestant vs Catholic analogy. The word Protestant comes from protest. They protested the idea that they should be told how to think. It's not some small theological difference, but rather the idea of freedom of thought and action, that one should be able to think for themselves. Unfortunately though, this seems to have been significantly lost in the interim. Broadly speaking, there are only two camps: one which promotes individual freedom of thought and one which is willing to use force to coerce thought alignment with what is deemed moral.
Most are deliberately misreading to project the Billionaire bad, Elon bad narrative. His donation to Trump is going to create a lot of squealing!! Ultimate trolling!!
The big problem right now on X free speech wise is the shutting down of opposition of Turkish leader Erdogan and Indian Leader prime minister Modi. This is agregious. I'm a Tesla stock holder, and in conflict with that i have a centre left bias. There are huge problems with Biden, and I'm angry that the Democratic party went to war with Musk, I accept that, but Trump has done and said some deeply terrible things that have undermined trust in democracy. Trump has also consistently denied climate change, so why is Musk, who's stated goal is to electrify transport throwing his weight behind Trump.
Elon is well aware of the need for a "counter force" and that's why he is preparing himself to counter the counter force, so no one has to much power, he said as much. There is a need in the world for bread and circuses, we all have our place.
We all hope for a utopian future and not a dystopian one. Elon is perhaps not everyone’s cup of tea (Yes I’m British) but his self deprecating humour suggests that it is not in his character to become the Eldon Tyrell character from Blade Runner.
Johnny was totally right and used data to back up his assertions. Farzad uses anecdotes and assumptions. There's a reason why Johnny has so many subscribers. It's because he makes a concerted effort to be non-biased. I like Farzad but he's incapable of not showing his bias towards Elon. Which is expected, considering he makes his money by making pro-Elon videos.
Strongly disagree that morality is subjective. When you have atheists like Sam Harris have the same opinion of child rape as a Protestent, Catholic, or Muslim, you have something that is objectively a moral stance.
What do others want? I. have. no. idea. What I enjoy and makes me happy is solving problems and making the world a better place. If the new world is no economy and people can work or not and do whatever they want (that's legal), I will still be happily looking for more problems to solve.
If Elon Musk makes it to 80 years old, his next goal is still going to build a Dyson sphere around the sun, and people will say he’s crazy. It will never happen even when he completes all the things in his life.
Disagree with Farzad’s remark about morality being subjective. The fact that we say that something is better than something else by continually making choices demonstrates that a morality is implicit in everything you do. Some things, actions, etc. are better than others; it depends on the intentions or needs of the situation. If someone needs a hammer, a large fist sized stone would be better than one that is flat and slim which would be ideal for skipping.
His criticism on Elon’s hypocrisy on free speech is off the mark. It’s not his duty to facilitate illegal activity in other countries. If you judge a platform by that standard they all fail.
Farzad brings up an interesting topic. If money buys you time, and all of a sudden everyone has time from optimus and robots, then what is the new currency? For sure, humans love status, but maybe money wont be the vehicle to measure this status.
I find it perplexing and disheartening to see individual such as Elon Musk, who have reportedly experienced bullying themselves, perpetuating the very behavior that caused them pain inflicting similar suffering onto others.(demon mode)
Just as an aside, I remember when Jeff Bezos was the archetype of the corporate villain. Then people forgot about him. And people have never forgotten about Steve Jobs. So which will he become? We will definitely see.
Johnny's video resonated more with me. He made some really valid points. Farzad, I would've loved to hear the conservative point of view more, but all I heard was fluff. I'm still pro Elon and want him to succeed, but Johnny's video came with factual data. This podcast was a waste of my time. I still support your cause Farzad, but this podcast was really lacking in information. I was really hoping for "True.... but here's data that provides more nuance to what Johnny says"
Exactly. All I heard as defense was that Johnny's points were cherry-picked, but without any elaboration. I would have loved to hear facts, but it was really just all "fluff". I wish Farzad would put in the necessary research and preparation, and present their side properly.
I’ve been a supporter, salesman, stock holder, cheerleader for Elon since the beginning, but I’m tired of it. Endorsing trump, the constant anti American conspiracy crap, hate speech, I have to bail on that stuff. He’s turning into Errol his father
I suspected bias in his previous videos, but his video on Musk just let the mask fall right off. It's clear he has a political bias and manipulates the facts to frame his preconceived narrative. He has lost all credibility with me.
When speculating about the future of humanity as a social commune, you cannot approach that question assuming humans will remain anything like current or past humans are, behave or think long term, humans WILL NOT remain biological organisms. We´ll likely become an interconnected processing network advancing with and working in parallel with our technology, which might not even be distinguishable from us (think Elons long term ideas of Neuralink symbiosis with Ai), questions such as what is the meaning of life or what do i do with myself will simply not apply in any comparable context to how they do today.
JBP 💪 Still, Johnny made me think about Alex Jones situation and I didn't know about Turkey before that, seems like valid criticism that is hard to find.
Well, to be fair not many people on the planet are doing anything relatively close to what Elon is doing. Kim does get innocent men out of prison so I will give her that. I do not care for anything else about her though.
Hmm. At the end you are talking about the future "currency" and what people are gonna do. But I think it's a very small click of people that will be influencers, or that even want that. Sure, status will be a currency, but there has to be other ways of obtaining that than doing TikTok or long form UA-cam.
Farzad, if you were to program a powerful AI to have a moral compass that it uses in its decisions/recommendations, a morality that would be best for all humans, are you saying that this isn't possible? Emotion/passion is what can get in the way of having a moral compass that's best for everyone.
To misquote something, "Democracy is the worst thing, except the alternative." A true AI is completely unknown. It might be very good or very bad, but no-one knows. Not having to work may not be good for people.
I'm setting here trying to figure out what the hell they are talking about... He, he, he, left, he, left, left, fair, agree with him, disagree with him. 😂
Here is Johnny’s video on Elon Musk: ua-cam.com/video/WYQxG4KEzvo/v-deo.htmlsi=hOMEQyuj7hA2rdss
@farzyness Johnny's comment on China being a force for good is not based in reality. You guys really need to start following China Uncensourced here on UA-cam that covers what China is doing on a weekly basis. They brag about being the biggest solar producer in the world and leading the green revolution but at the same time they're building tons of coal plants and polluting more than the entire world combined. They're also bragging about their electric vechile production which of course is impressive but they have no intrest in ensuring enviroemental standards or safety standards in that production which is why we see tons of chinese electric cars and scooters that catch fire.
The reason you might have a positive image on china is because China heavily controls their social media and news. Bad stories from china doesn't spread around the world in the same way as with other countries because they get shut them down. However, channels like China Uncensored publish these stories every week because they catch them before they're taken off the Chinese internet. Other good channels to get a better view on what is going on behind the scenes are The China Show (by two western guys who lived in china for many years) and the China Observer.
You only discuss points related to that video for 17 minutes. The rest is waste.
In 50 years time noone will remember Biden or Trump. Almost everyone will know about Elon Musk.
I don't know about that. It looks like Trump is destined to be remembered in the history books at this point.
As will Elon Musk be for ever more!
I hope so 👍. I’d definitely like to forget Trump & Biden
Whether u like him or not Trump won't be forgotten for various reasons lol
Kim is to narcissism as elon is to innovation
Smashed the like button simply because of the very first statement. More Elon, less Kim. In fact I would even go as far to say it would be best to simply remove Kim from the spotlight.
I wonder if Elon would actually agree.
Guys... get Johnny Harris on your show. Bet you, he would respond. Not only do I watch your content but Johnny's as well.
Extend your reach of educating the masses on the other side.. Cheers from Canada.
The first person who lost his/her job to optimus will be headline news.
It's likely already happened. They have a small number of them working at Giga Texas right now. Granted, Optimus is creating more jobs than it is replacing while in development, but the train is coming. I wonder who the last person replaced by Optimus will be, and what will our world look like then.
I wonder if there will be a backlash against companies that use humanoid robots, just as there is against companies that use (used) child labor? On the other hand, we are not too concerned about displacing jobs when companies use large robot arms to weld a car. But the humanoid form factor will make it seem more personal.
Gas jockey's unite!
@@cascadiadesign There is already a shortage of labor for all the jobs we want to do.
Or just throw your sabots in the machinery.
We need Few weird looking Optimus to replace Kardashian family .
Judging from the thumbnail, I thought the main question would be: why does Elon not have a beard?
Dzień dobry ... a powinien Pan Mózg spróbować ... zarost, broda pasowałby Mu ... jest Królem innowacji i sukcesu w biznesie, a do tego Ojciec, broda mądrość i dojrzałość, dlaczego nie ?
I totally agree with the trauma comments. I’ve always thought that played a major role. When you’re pushed that far by someone who should have been your greatest cheerleader, you develop the capacity to push that far in your own aspirations. It’s sort of like to the extent that you pull the rock back in the slingshot, it projects in the other direction to that extent. Some people, unfortunately, don’t learn from it and project in the other direction. They stay in that negative area. I grieve for people whose parents treated them that way. I’m grateful that Elon has risen above it, like the Phoenix from the ash as you said. Isaacson stated that Elon was very guarded about that information for quite a long time before he finally revealed his relationship with his father. I hope that talking about it was cathartic. Kimbal corroborates it all and you can tell it pains him even to talk about it as well.
This is an excellent, measured retort to the Johnny Harris piece from two Elon fan boys, more like this please guys. My takeaway is it is very important to look at both sides of the argument & not live in an echo chamber, it certainly made me think a bit more about Elon’s overall integrity.
I admit to being a left leaning moderate, and find a lot of Elon's political comments cringe and ironically thoughtless, but I also worked in technology development for many years and know what it takes to make a vision real and profitable. He is the best there is, truly making the impossible merely late. I am concerned about his politics but I believe he is well intentioned, if mean spirited at times.
The removal of excess staff at Twitter made sense to me. The slashing of staff at Tesla seemed wrong to me. However I am betting that it did improve Tesla. I'm too soft for leadership and recognise this fault in myself. Elon is achieving so much that I cannot blame him for tough decisions.
Being politically intolerant of other views is not a great look. Red Ink is easy black ink is the difficult thing. Truth is truth, freedom of speech is freedom of speech. The left has driven way past its junction and for this reason that which was viewed as moderate is now considered right wing. Musk is a moderate. It is also perfectly ok to have political opinions and support your chosen Presidential candidate now matter he be black, brown rainbow, white or yes.... Orange!! To be clear, there are NO absolute correct assumptions. Just your (or my) opinions which might be right or might be wrong!! Truth is not mean. It just means you don't like it. Hope that explains why I believe you are wrong!
His obsession with the border and conspiracy theory that they're allowed to come in to vote is so easily proven false. It makes me wonder how someone, an immigrant, is so brilliant yet can have seriously flawed beliefs.
Haven't heard him mention Project 2025 yet which will push back EV adoption solar and grid scale battery storage.
@@stevecastellanos so anyone should be able to come into the USA unvetted? You obviously live somewhere where the border issues don’t affect you.
@IsaiahBridges-ij3xg I live 5 miles from the border. I work in Brownsville. We get the most immigrants here in the RGV. We've been the fastest growing part of the US for 15yrs. Places here won't hire you if you don't speak Spanish. Elon thinks all these people will become voters or are voting. Shut they worry more about the President of Mex. Also they don't have ID'S. So how he believes this fairy-tale is beyond me. Most are conservative anyway Reagan conservative. At least you can say you learned something today... right!?
Why don't you rather talk about Bill Gates or Zuckerberg or Bezos or any number of "influencers! who, I would say, are capable of making the future to their liking , rather than Elon who puts his thoughts out there for people to see AND to disagree with. edit spelling, nobody seemed to notice, I got there just in time.😂😂
@@davidtuer5825
This is why taxation of the rich is important. As it keeps to much money. From being held into to few hands.
What do the rich and powerful want? They want to be richer, and more powerful!
They want it all!!
Including Elon!!
Yeah
The others are just introverts or possibly playing in the shadows.
Elon is right in the open.
You got me laughing! Those social dice owners are not in Elon's league! You funny
Z sounds bitter to me
Only to their liking and nothing to do with the needs of humanity.
Some leftist hated on Elon? Gee... Ignore.
You think he's a leftist? LMAO!
But whether he is a leftist or not, he is highly influential.....
Cool I guess echo chambers are your thing. Lemmings must be your spirit animal...
@@captain1664 He has very little influence on the right, which right now is bigger.
@@stevecastellanos This is true for 80% of the people, get used to it, its the bell curve. 20% of the people do 80% of the work.
Your parents are adorable Farzad… And we all know they were in town for their grandchild, not chu 😂🤣🫶🏽
I think I’m gonna have my dad run the channel full time.
@@farzyness 🎬 His Charisma, could carry the whole show! 😂🤩
as a parent the second i saw the title we all knew "the truth" - what are the grandparents going to called ???
What is the fascination with Elon Musk? Please explain
World's first trillionaire I've thought about. Earlier than most. I never extrapolated to having the net worth of the GDP of one of the largest 10 countries on Earth.
Well. he can always pledge (legally swear) that 95% of his wealth will go to developing and sustaining Mars.
Great conversation! I would watch the discussion podcast with Johnny! Thanks!
So far, SpaceX is doing such gangbusters work that it is easily funding Starship. No money coming from Elon’s stock .. maybe used as collateral or something but his shares are only increasing..
There’s a big difference between income and net worth.
@@mnhsty Fair point!
"United States/Gross domestic product
25.44 trillion USD (2022)"
"The financial position of the United States includes assets of at least $269 trillion (1576% of GDP) and debts of $145.8 trillion (852% of GDP) to produce a net worth of at least $123.8 trillion (723% of GDP)."
I like that you're having Hans on so much. He's a great thinker and you too work well together 👍
There is no room for comprise with the moral left. You must comply.
All extremists are the same, doesn't matter if they are left or right.
@@turningpoint4238except the left is the dominate power in the world, especially in US. The woke left DNC owns the MSM and SM. They actively censor. They are violent and unhinged. The left is actively trying to kill Trump and Musk.
@@turningpoint4238 At least the right won't try to permanently muti late your kids behind you back and starve everyone to de ath with deliberate economic collapse.
@@turningpoint4238 Its just that the Left is the Dominant force in culture and politics. The Left is the Establishment and is throwing its weight around. You are correct that the extreme elements of right and left are rigid and dogmatic. The concern that most of us have now is that the Left is able to legislate and enforce its dogma through its Establishment status, having monopoly on media and culture, very loud propaganda arms, while enforcing censorship on opposing opinions and ideas. The left is all too willing to persecute and prosecute anyone that expresses opposition to its garbage.
A must read: I’m 74 and TSLA since 2019, Musk and Tesla since 2008, Farzad fan for the last couple and Hans somewhat similar. You guys rocked it tonight! I really liked Hans’ take on China and colonialism etc. he was right on. Farzad, when you brought up trauma as a trigger for certain mega success stories, etc. that really rang true too and then the future economy (what does that even mean anymore?) stuff. Lots of positive stuff, full of hope for us bumbling doofusses still somewhat attached to the trees we lost our vine curling tails in hah! I laughed so hard at the end, I was cryin for laughin out loud! Thanks, you are both positive influences in my life and thinking and I thank you for sharing yourselves. Take care, Bill
I really hope he would come to your podcast!
This one would be very productive for sure!
Jonny’s videos are always very well thought through and I think he could very well speak about this topic with you.
We could learn a lot for sure!
crazy, i just watched that video; and within 3 minutes this is uploaded
I’m stalking you.
@@farzyness lol
The handsome man with the guitar 🎸is correct!! PEOPLE with AUTISM is a TRUE GIFT..
Elon does HIS WAY…… RESPECT ALL AUTISM… lots of ignorant people out here who don’t give a dam about special needs especially college professors.
The “everybody can be rich scenario “ ignores the fact that there are limited natural resources, which are usually necessary for any kind of product or goods.
This has been a phenomenal conversation about humanity and the world historically and in front of us. Thanks fellas.
thx so much i cant believe u did this for us while trying to get money from adds, amazing thank you thank you what have i done to deserve this . Thank you
In a big way to your point Farzad about the critiques of Elon becoming increasingly more important the more powerful Elon becomes, the left in this regard are the Conservative reaction to the very progressive change Elon brings. This is taken from Jonathan Haidt’s descriptor of conservative vs progressive on the All-In interview.
The "One true narrative" is a better characterization of what the establishment pushes, not necessarily left.
JD, I absolutely agree. The term, "left," has become a misdirection to manufacture consent amongst the working class. Similar to how magicians/illusionists operate.
"Left" is used by the liberal right (and populists and conservative right) to confuse the priorities of empire and status quo over the prosperity of workers.
The liberal right presents itself as the adults in the room. This causes the overton window (the perception of political discussion which is politically correct/reasonable) to move right.
@@markharmon4963 since the establishment is overwhelmingly left, I’m sure you can understand why the terms are interchangeable. Inseparable, even.
@jeffnewcomb601 If the prosperity of the international working class, the ecology, the right of self determination, direct democracy at the point of production and free speech are not embraced by the action and/or the philosophy, it is not left. The confusion arises from lifestyles, actions, and philosophy branded as left. Basic.
Your statement addresses exactly the issue I am attempting to clarify.
@jeffnewcomb601 The status quo/establishment is overwhelmingly in favor of the empire, such as the deletion of Palestine. Therefore, no matter how favorable they are to a vegan diet, and buying products with minimal packaging for instance, they would most likely best be described as liberal right, not left. As much as they would prefer to have the left brand, it simply is not accurate.
@@markharmon4963 But I am correct in my rightist views.
Would there was a magic wand to create more Elons.
Hasn’t he already created a lot more??
@@jimbstars No, but he at least is trying.
@@jimbstars Yeah, looks like he's already been putting that "magic wand" to good use for years 🤣
Wow! I guess you thought "Farzad and Hans deep dive into philosophy" wasn't the best thumbnail :-) Loved it, though!
Realistic Robotaxi Plan for Tesla
1. Tesla can use FSD to deliver a car to the customer:
Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology can autonomously deliver vehicles to customers' locations, providing a convenient and efficient service.
2. Let customers use their own insurance to drive the car as if they were rental cars:
Customers can drive the delivered car using their personal insurance, similar to how traditional rental cars operate.
Advantages:
1. Saving the insurance fee:
By allowing customers to use their own insurance, Tesla can eliminate the additional insurance costs typically associated with rental or ride-sharing services.
2. Appealing to a broader range of customers:
Customers who do not fully trust FSD technology can still use the robotaxi service by driving the cars themselves. This flexibility makes the service more attractive to a wider audience, including those who prefer traditional driving.
What if "traditional" driving becomes illegal ?
That won't happen for a long time
I also lean towards trusting Elon 🙏
I think society was transformed silently with algorithms over the last while, and under the guise of being "politically correct", "normal" shifted more to the left. Elon is now publically pushing normal back closer to the middle to achieve balance and freedom and a portion of the population is complaining for being forced to eat their vegetables. Change is hard. When we see how Elon provided a place of abundance, we'll look back and forget this moment in time.
The one thing I'm worried about in the future is humans finding purpose since anything worth doing will be done already, this stripping the ability to generate value away from humans.
From my experience on X, I see it only getting to be an uglier space. I still drop in every now and then when I forget what a cesspool it is.
@@mnhsty It was a cesspool before too, you just didn't mind it because it was a far left cesspool.
The only reason you think it's a problem, is because your political opponents also get to speak now.
@@liquidsnakex No, I am actually considered to be on the right. But contemptous uncivility, racism and sexism still offends me.
Excellent discussion of ideas, you guys!
Elon catalyzed solving global warming. Should a firm catalyze solving wealth disparity in the free market? Making humanity sustainable.
No such thing.
Government would never allow it, wealth disparity is the main excuse for why they even exist.
They're not going to let someone else solve a problem that they make trillions a year from pretending to solve.
Kardacians? They are not in Elon's league in any kind of way.
Appreciate your more objective outlook with this video
Farzad you hit the nail on the head.Agree scary how much power he will attain .Unfortunately humans don"t handle that well
re. Turkey, the point was that fighting takedown requests from a government that wishes to silence its critics is in direct conflict with currying favor from that same government for access to its markets for other Musk products or permitting for manufacturing facilities
"we need to talk about Elon Musk" - Do we ever talk about anything else?😂
Is NHTSA a Checks & Balances? How can corruption of an individual versus a committee be any better? A committee can be just as corrupt.
Can be, but its harder.
@@EwanM11 If anything it's easier.
An private individual only has power over those that consent to it, but a public committee (otherwise known as government) can exercise arbitrary power over others, whether they consent to it or not.
The first half was great! But then, Twitter...
as an european, you are godamn right. you need to bring the bottom up not the top down.
He invests in the future of all humankind throughout the world. As our government has sent our industries to other countries 🇨🇳. The industry has got to come back to America. He's aware you can't take it with you when it's your time to go. Leaving it to the 🌎and the next generations to carry on.
The government did not send industries to other countries, industries did ! Doesn’t Tesla have factories in other countries ?
@@preeyakumari-i2q Wrong, the government raised taxes and regulation to unreasonable levels, which is what sent companies overseas.
Operating locally and teaching your fellow countrymen how to work for you is 10x easier than operating in a foreign country and telling random foreigners on the other side of the planet how to do it. The problem is that it's also 10x more expensive thanks to local government policies, so the exponentially cheaper option wins.
@@liquidsnakex Wrong ,industries after polluting the streams and rivers in the U.S. wanted to move where there was little or no regulation or pay workers a fair wage, but stayed incorporated in the U.S. to use the law and legal protections afforded under the Constitution
@@preeyakumari-i2q Nah, this is disproven by the fact that many of the big tech companies moved to Ireland, which still has even more regulations and even better wages, but simply taxes corps at 12.5% rather than 35%.
Soz to burst your bubble, but your ideology simply has no basis in reality and actively hurts the very people you claim to help.
$10 an hour seems bad... until you realize the alternative is outsourcing for them and welfare for you, given to you by a criminal organization that produces nothing but misery.
10:22 I agree with your point Farzad. And I believe we (those who follow him closely or those who really know him best) should be his watchdogs, should be the ones that consider his flaws but also his good demeanor, the ones that should use first principles and critical thinking (as Elon always defend should be done) to signal up any power abuse. Because as we and he well know, the “ring of power” corrupts the soul.
I concur.
Too often power corrupts. And Elon’s quirky and controversial judgment on issues outside his companies are cause for some degree of worry. So good discussion to have. Trust but verify.
I used to trust Elon, but since using FSD, I’m a huge skeptic.
To many people (and many mass media narratives) Elon has horns. I'm glad that at least he doesn't try to hide or deny, his flaws, like many other celebrities, public figures, and influential people. "Be less wrong" is a worthy, if not always achievable, goal.
The "woke" stuff, when it's authoritarian, isn't Left (democratic, egalitarian, etc.) at all. Nor is any censorship.
Bias acknowledges an inherent reason to stay open-minded about other views. It reminds us that our perspectives can be limited or influenced by various factors, including conflicts of interest and over-representing personal experiences in one’s analysis. Being open to different viewpoints helps ensure a more balanced and comprehensive understanding of any issue. Simply asserting that everyone has a point of view lends itself to the argument that we should only listen to those who are far more informed than others; many will take the most knowledgeable word for it. Even the most informed are prone to harming the innocent often with the best intentions.
We should listen to all !
Elon Musk, Palmer Lucky…i was screaming “Alex Karp”, and you came through. Well said.
One would think that this is a no-brainer...
More DRAMA...😢
OR more Elons for the WIN!!!🎉
Hans…your comments are spot on. Trimmed facial hair excellent, bushy hair taking over your head…not so much.
At the forefront I think you can split it even more.
Cost lead of Payload to space
Evs
Mega pack
Starlink (remote Internet access)
Real world AI
I watched the video in reference. aside from the comment about Tesla taking subsidies which it never has and some personal references to Elon I find it fairly accurate
Remember the hit piece Wendover Productions did last year “how Tesla fumbled“. My feeling is this is another one of those. Johnny comes out pretending to be all fair and balanced, but once he starts talking about Twitter, he very quickly starts quoting anonymous sources, and questionable data. Shame on you,Johnny.
52:45 - This is a persistent misconception, Farzad. While some do see social mobility due to capitalism, they are the outliers (including you and me). We're the *exception* to the rule; not the rule. The US only has 12% social mobility. Scandinavian countries average 16%. 20% between each economic quintile is considered "perfect" social mobility. IAW you have an equal chance of mobility based on your work ethic, etc. This is not really true in the US, though the ones at the top keep spreading that lie to make it seem like the system that enriched them is the ONLY POSSIBLE OPTION. It's like someone starting a game of Monopoly owning all the properties. What do you imagine their perception the game of Monopoly is compared to someone who DOES NOT start with any properties? Probably pretty favorable, as it is rigged in their favor. This is why ever since the US embraced the neoliberal system, we have ruthlessly backed any coups we could to destroy socialism and communism around the world - no one should be allowed to play a game other than Monopoly, which those in power own all the board pieces to. "Please stay, and keep playing the game I can't lose!"
Social democracies like those in Scandinavia, actually have higher social mobility scores, due to robust social safety nets like free healthcare, and/or college. No one becomes lazy because they have those social safety nets. In fact, to the contrary... Scandinavia has the *MOST* millionaires per capita in the world! It's EASIER to become a millionaire there, despite the BS about the "American Dream".
You even contradict yourself here. Remember all those times you talked about how Optimus would free up people's time to pursue meaningful endeavors? What do you think UBI, and other socialist policies do? They don't make you give up and be lazy, they empower you to be even more productive. Would you say that you have better relationships now that you quit working? I would. Being freed form the necessity to work for someone else's profits reduces my stress, makes me MORE productive, happier, a better sibling, son, etc.
Almost everybody had some form of childhood trauma. A minority gets it processed. Most will make bad decisions because of them. Few will do outstanding things because of them.
Does this mean that by giving our children sheltered and protected childhoods, we are actually limiting their ability to achieve great things in the future? Are we inadvertently sabotaging the future of our civilization? Remember the Johnny Cash song "A Boy Named Sue?"
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Protestant vs Catholic analogy. The word Protestant comes from protest. They protested the idea that they should be told how to think. It's not some small theological difference, but rather the idea of freedom of thought and action, that one should be able to think for themselves. Unfortunately though, this seems to have been significantly lost in the interim.
Broadly speaking, there are only two camps: one which promotes individual freedom of thought and one which is willing to use force to coerce thought alignment with what is deemed moral.
Gee, which is which ?
Who is using force and how?
It would be great if you guys could review some of Elon's X-posts which are misunderstood.
Most are deliberately misreading to project the Billionaire bad, Elon bad narrative. His donation to Trump is going to create a lot of squealing!! Ultimate trolling!!
Awesome discussion! Bravo!
Enjoyed the whole video but the outtakes were the best 😂
Have Elon talk with a regular guy that’s just a regular worker and get his perspective on how he thinks this might turn out
If Elon Musk never contributed anything other than Neuralink to the benefit of humankind he would be the GOAT.
Don;t mean to confuse. LISTEN
The big problem right now on X free speech wise is the shutting down of opposition of Turkish leader Erdogan and Indian Leader prime minister Modi. This is agregious.
I'm a Tesla stock holder, and in conflict with that i have a centre left bias. There are huge problems with Biden, and I'm angry that the Democratic party went to war with Musk, I accept that, but Trump has done and said some deeply terrible things that have undermined trust in democracy. Trump has also consistently denied climate change, so why is Musk, who's stated goal is to electrify transport throwing his weight behind Trump.
Elon is well aware of the need for a "counter force" and that's why he is preparing himself to counter the counter force, so no one has to much power, he said as much. There is a need in the world for bread and circuses, we all have our place.
We all hope for a utopian future and not a dystopian one. Elon is perhaps not everyone’s cup of tea (Yes I’m British) but his self deprecating humour suggests that it is not in his character to become the Eldon Tyrell character from Blade Runner.
Johnny was totally right and used data to back up his assertions. Farzad uses anecdotes and assumptions. There's a reason why Johnny has so many subscribers. It's because he makes a concerted effort to be non-biased.
I like Farzad but he's incapable of not showing his bias towards Elon. Which is expected, considering he makes his money by making pro-Elon videos.
Yes. Twitter had a right wing bias. They loved Trump.
@@xheir Aren’t the same Nazi’s on X ?
Strongly disagree that morality is subjective. When you have atheists like Sam Harris have the same opinion of child rape as a Protestent, Catholic, or Muslim, you have something that is objectively a moral stance.
What do others want? I. have. no. idea. What I enjoy and makes me happy is solving problems and making the world a better place. If the new world is no economy and people can work or not and do whatever they want (that's legal), I will still be happily looking for more problems to solve.
If Elon Musk makes it to 80 years old, his next goal is still going to build a Dyson sphere around the sun, and people will say he’s crazy. It will never happen even when he completes all the things in his life.
Hans hits it out of the park on this video🥰
Regarding the Turkey compliance vs the Brazil defiance, Turkey's gov was Right leaning, vs Brazil's left leaning gov. So there's your answer.
Perhaps investigate the term REDUCTIVE!!
Disagree with Farzad’s remark about morality being subjective. The fact that we say that something is better than something else by continually making choices demonstrates that a morality is implicit in everything you do. Some things, actions, etc. are better than others; it depends on the intentions or needs of the situation. If someone needs a hammer, a large fist sized stone would be better than one that is flat and slim which would be ideal for skipping.
Great conversation. Deep dive, positive.
I'm extremely optimistic that the future will happen
yes we need Elon to help with future inventions start loving elon and he will change
As Norm MacDonald says.... whatever doesn't kill you makes you much much weaker
His criticism on Elon’s hypocrisy on free speech is off the mark. It’s not his duty to facilitate illegal activity in other countries. If you judge a platform by that standard they all fail.
Farzad brings up an interesting topic. If money buys you time, and all of a sudden everyone has time from optimus and robots, then what is the new currency? For sure, humans love status, but maybe money wont be the vehicle to measure this status.
It's clear, in the future the one with most robots will be considered to be overcompensating for something 😅
I find it perplexing and disheartening to see individual such as Elon Musk, who have reportedly experienced bullying themselves, perpetuating the very behavior that caused them pain inflicting similar suffering onto others.(demon mode)
But guys, bias implies subjectivity. Where as unbiased implies objectivity.
And so?
Kim Kardashian drives a Cybertruck, so why pick on her?
Just as an aside, I remember when Jeff Bezos was the archetype of the corporate villain. Then people forgot about him. And people have never forgotten about Steve Jobs. So which will he become? We will definitely see.
If he needs bridges dismantled to get his yacht out of dock then we can start comparing to Bezos.
Johnny's video resonated more with me. He made some really valid points. Farzad, I would've loved to hear the conservative point of view more, but all I heard was fluff. I'm still pro Elon and want him to succeed, but Johnny's video came with factual data. This podcast was a waste of my time. I still support your cause Farzad, but this podcast was really lacking in information. I was really hoping for "True.... but here's data that provides more nuance to what Johnny says"
Exactly. All I heard as defense was that Johnny's points were cherry-picked, but without any elaboration. I would have loved to hear facts, but it was really just all "fluff". I wish Farzad would put in the necessary research and preparation, and present their side properly.
Factual data like what? Anonymous hearsay that he artificially boosted his own profile... pffft
I’ve been a supporter, salesman, stock holder, cheerleader for Elon since the beginning, but I’m tired of it. Endorsing trump, the constant anti American conspiracy crap, hate speech, I have to bail on that stuff. He’s turning into Errol his father
I love what Elon does in his businesses, but I don't like a lot of his personal opinions. This is especially true when it comes to politics.
I suspected bias in his previous videos, but his video on Musk just let the mask fall right off. It's clear he has a political bias and manipulates the facts to frame his preconceived narrative. He has lost all credibility with me.
There’s a difference: bias is an unfair prejudice that skews judgment, while perspective is a viewpoint shaped by individual experiences and context.
When speculating about the future of humanity as a social commune, you cannot approach that question assuming humans will remain anything like current or past humans are, behave or think long term, humans WILL NOT remain biological organisms.
We´ll likely become an interconnected processing network advancing with and working in parallel with our technology, which might not even be distinguishable from us (think Elons long term ideas of Neuralink symbiosis with Ai), questions such as what is the meaning of life or what do i do with myself will simply not apply in any comparable context to how they do today.
You can't expect to be liked by everybody, and in order to think you have to risk being offensive.
JBP 💪 Still, Johnny made me think about Alex Jones situation and I didn't know about Turkey before that, seems like valid criticism that is hard to find.
What you are trying to say is that Kim Kardashians life is truly inconsequential.
Better to ask the people who have seemingly very little but are very happy
Well, to be fair not many people on the planet are doing anything relatively close to what Elon is doing. Kim does get innocent men out of prison so I will give her that. I do not care for anything else about her though.
Johny got infected with TDS and EDS. Letting his talents go to waste
Who is Kim Kardasian?
We had better version in the Balkans before Americans copied, she is called Severina
Rlon nothing like the picture that zucky is trying to paint.
I cut ties with the work that was pitting me against my peers.
Hmm. At the end you are talking about the future "currency" and what people are gonna do. But I think it's a very small click of people that will be influencers, or that even want that. Sure, status will be a currency, but there has to be other ways of obtaining that than doing TikTok or long form UA-cam.
Farzad, if you were to program a powerful AI to have a moral compass that it uses in its decisions/recommendations, a morality that would be best for all humans, are you saying that this isn't possible? Emotion/passion is what can get in the way of having a moral compass that's best for everyone.
To misquote something, "Democracy is the worst thing, except the alternative." A true AI is completely unknown. It might be very good or very bad, but no-one knows. Not having to work may not be good for people.
I don’t think I want to find out !
I'm setting here trying to figure out what the hell they are talking about...
He, he, he, left, he, left, left, fair, agree with him, disagree with him. 😂
Regarding the Liberal bias, according to who's subjective view are we measuring liberal bias?