Power Of A Work Of Art - Dr. Ken Atchity
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“It’s easy to relate to heroes when you’re younger and still think you can conquer the world.” - Dr. Ken Atchity
This one hit home...
When we age, we learn we can't be 100% good; perhaps antiheroes reassure us that we aren't as bad as them.
This series of interviews with Dr. Ken are GENIOUS, full of insight, thank you so much for this conversation!
Lol GENIUS*
We forget how amazing that interviewer is. She asks the most in-depth questions and gives some great submissions herself.
I love this interview, specifically when the interviewer asks a question that only has one politically correct answer and he stumbles in answering that because he rather be honest with his own views then say what everyone expects him to say. Much respect.
I prefer to separate art from the artist for the same reason Dr Ken Atchity spoke of, the double edge sword . The real problem is how the artist can keep their self out of their art so not to spoil the magic.
As we age, we realize we cannot be 100% "good." Perhaps antiheroes remind us that we aren't THAT "bad."
fully agree with is stance about the Artist vs, the work of Art itself...
When it comes to offending people, an artist (or anyone really) must say "so what?" for social progression. Dali's paintings presented at the Paris exhibit with the critics freaking out over the inclusion of excrement on the canvas were making a point. Human existence is offensive, our sensibilities are offensive, our morality and so forth, all offend someone somewhere. If we stop moving forward every time this happens, are we living or dying? Expanding or contracting our conscience? PC culture gets taken too far and we all suffer from that. Respect can easily given by any side to an issue and some issues are really nonissues. But it is important that an artist continues to offend if their work demands it. Books like Palahniuk's, are important to help show the full breadth of what it is to be human. We can't ignore the demons forever. Eventually we each must face them and either succumb by running or overcome by embracing.
I really love listening to Dr. Kens Atchity interview's even if I don't completely agree with him on certain perspectives.
I learned two semesters worth of teaching at a university in this 18:26 video
I decided to have a go and share my perspective regarding the questions, and to answer the question about the art separating themselves from the artist,
I feel like separating the art from the artist takes away from the art and your perspective about the whatever piece has impacted you. The purpose of art is to incite a reaction, to feel something. To reflect on oneself and add your own meaning to what they have created. You cannot simply apply your own meaning or ignore the artist character, to do so would be an injustice to yourself and what lesson you could've learned or felt. For me, regarding art, the artist is as much a part of the details that create the bigger picture or the "bigger meaning". Without no artist, there would be no art. Without the art there would be no artist. Without the art or artist, there would be no admirer. and without the admirer there would be no art or artist.
Regarding the question of the Anti-hero, i feel like I do prefer stories about antiheroes because its more of an accurate representation of life and humanity. It is alot easier to see myself in who they are, flaws and all and take a step back to re-evaluate my own life and choices. To really dig deeper about my choices and existence and what meaning I am choosing for myself.
To me , i am only sure of this existence and this existence only despite all the theories and beliefs about what happens after. Art which makes me look inwards and inspires me in whichever emotion it incites, is the true purpose i feel for art. Not necessarily saying it has to be this deep shit that causes existential dread for it to be considered art. Even a simple fun piece or silly character would cause me to look within myself and go " i need to stop taking these youtube comments so seriously" lol
but yeah, those are my 2 cents. (:
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Insightful comment Dulce, very well said !
Analysis changes art too. My academic teachings about art wearied my passion for it.
I was going to say that's how people were with 2Pac, but John Lennon is definitely an equivalent. And I love his answer. A rapper name Eightball remade a Marvin Gaye song where Marvin sings "the artist pays the price, if only people listened to what they have to SAY!". Unfortunately, most are looking at what the artist does and miss the message, moreso in music or as an actor.
People these days have had too much therapy. That's why they can't simply appreciate a work of art without over-analyzing it.
he made me sell my first report to a swiss magazine and I got payed 2400 euro. he has it all!
Thank god for standup comedy!
Thank you for your stories
Great interview. After I finish watching “Every One is Dead” on Netflix, I’m going to watch the two hour full interview. You know, the only thing I don’t like about this channel is its so informative I end up watching interviews instead of writing. 😉
This person is profoundly smart, informed, and centered. Credit to the interviewer who did what seemed like a redundant followup about Marvin Gaye 11:15 after Dr Atchity had thoroughly answered. I held my breath for a second, but to his immense credit he kept his composure, went along, justifying the followup and reaching down for more to share.
This guy is an absolute genius
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Love it. Thanks for the vid. Love this guy.
Thanks Justin. We really enjoyed our time with Dr. Ken. Our next video with him will be the full interview.
@@filmcourage can't wait. His insight his priceless. As to your question about antiheros, I prefer flat-arcs that require ultimate sacrifice and total commitment and the climactic vindication. I'm wrestling with a project now like that.
Art reflecting life n all.
I can talk and say anything I want because I'm not a coward.
My introduction to Bukowski was Barfly so art and person intermingled from the start which I feel added depth to my experience.
Some low key nuggets in this one, wow.
Great video, and discussion again!
Let's start with separating art from artist. Absolutely... Once made, it's a product. As a product, it should stand on its own merits, and no name, no biographical inserts, no background should be used to create some kind of excess tolerance or excuse for poor product, any more than it should be banded to a great work as an excuse to dismiss it.
Think about that, because it DOES happen. In the industry as well as outside it, people often dismiss something on the account of "I don't even know who that guy is." OR "Never heard of him." AND it gets brushed aside, regardless of quality... On the other side, they'll snatch up the latest by whomever because "I'm a super fan." and can't be bothered in the slightest that the work quality has dropped off since hitting the so-called "big time".
I can certainly despise the character of an artist, but still understand and enjoy a piece of work. The statue didn't do anything wrong. The painting isn't guilty... AND the film or music didn't come into existence BECAUSE of the criminal past... present... or future.
It's worth pointing out, that there is only so much separation that can be made, and one shouldn't exactly be falling all over himself to send more money and encouragement to fund sick demented or illegal behavior. AND there are a few odd cases where the film may have involved certainly cruel and even illegal activities... BUT those cases should be dealt with appropriately, by authorities with the powers to do so... That, however, is not my job, nor should it be as the audience or consumer.
As for heroes/anti-heroes...
I prefer anti-heroes. It's possible that the childish fancy for "overt" heroes is a psychological want for someone or something out there to be heroic... that we (some of us) want to relax in the notion that heroes might save the day. AND we may even like the notion of heroes as something to aspire toward, even if that sort of character is impossible.
I prefer relatable and realistic versions of the archetype "hero". I think it's worth stating flat out, that the anti-hero is more honest, and so is the quality of story around it. SO think about that for a moment. In most of the "traditional hero" stories, everything the "hero" does is good, heroic... virtuous. AND everything the villain does is bad. It's a dishonesty, and a disservice.
When the hero avoids open spaces and finds a different or less obvious route of travel, he's being cunning. When the Villain does it, he's a coward. When the hero kills someone, it's a valiant and legitimate fight that ended in death... and cheers. When the Villain does it, it's murder. When the hero gets angry, we're supposed to applaud a guy who's showing heart. The Villain is just mean... or too consumed in his emotions....blah-blah-blah...
I've played a LOT of D&D, among others... BUT D&D is important here, for the laughable fact that it's the only RPG (that I'm aware of) to have an "Alignment" mechanic in the game, depicting specifically a Character (or magic items, some of them have alignment and will of their own)... but specifically designating a tendency toward Good or Evil... There's also Lawfuls, Chaotics, and a valiant effort for Neutral, too... BUT we can stick to purely the concept of Good and Evil here... since we're speaking on Heroes.
Arguably, the Alignment doesn't mean that a Character is guaranteed villainy or heroics, only that it's a trend involved or implied, and the rules are about as clear as mud... Only the jist is that Evil alignments are described as Ego-centric, or Self-centered... AND Good alignments are worded as Socio-Centric, or Socially Centered, working for the general good of all, and concerned with the consequences of their actions, particularly around those consequences involving other people...
What I've noticed, in all of the D&D I've played is that generally, NOBODY legitimately pulls off playing as a Good Alignment. I'm sure I haven't played with the entire D&D fandom, even in my roughly 30 years of playtime... BUT it's remarkably rare to find anyone manage more than a few minutes at a time as an honest, authentically Good hero... before murdering and raiding and wenching and plundering... invading countries and castles and kidnapping barbarians and what not. Sure, there are monsters, even undead running about... and we're supposedly there to protect civilization from the horrors of such abominations... BUT who actually confirmed that Orcs (for example) are actually Evil before they rush into the fight to destroy the whole village and take as much treasure and as many weapons as they can find? If the village is just discovered in the woods someplace, do Players conscientiously make contact or spy a while first? Nope.... most groups have about half the place burned to the ground before they even bother to question whether it's just a hunting village or if children might be present... or females...
Tells a lot about the attitudes of just fantasy RP gamers, the assumptions and context of their antics...
SO I prefer protagonists that I CAN believe. It's not just that I can relate to them, but when they accomplish something heroic, it's a mark perhaps, that I can reach. I CAN aspire to be a little more like that regular sort of guy who did something magnificent because he just didn't have any better options... I don't stand a chance of taking on giant robots or saving people in a crashing plane because I'm easily damaged... you know... like an ordinary person with no superpowers, no regeneration or metal in my skeleton.
I can try, though... just to maybe not lose my temper and rush to grabbing weapons and making a mess quite so quickly. Maybe thinking about it, or even just inviting an "enemy" to a proper chat could solve our personal disdain for each other. Maybe he or she will be able to avoid losing their temper(s) quite so quickly and take me up on it rather than punch me in the face.
...maybe it's still aiming a tad high... BUT I can try it.
...I'm not even going to attempt jumping over buildings or staring down bullets in the air. Superman has that market all to himself. ;o)
Thank you.
Cheers Steven!
I’m listening to the audio version of a new biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I’m just up to his decision to kill Adolf Hitler. One of the last essays he wrote was on the necessity of an aesthetic life as well as comitemt to Christ.
Very intelligent fellow.
The Beacon Hill Base Brats story completely changes your previous perception of the art
With the exception of Odysseus, who Dr. Ken Atchity rightly refered to as an antihero, I still prefer the noble hero protagonist type stories to the antiheroes ones!
Great video
Chad, thanks for watching!
I think this is the shortest story ever written:
“For sale: Baby shoes, never worn.”
The poor kid had club feet... Sad.
Cue the discussion re: authorial intent...
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If the world is a mixture of good and bad, and it is fair to say that people expect to see an accurate depiction of a world in a movie, then an anti-hero is almost a must to make a wholesome movie, otherwise it wouldn't represent the world.
Five W’s + How? = Art Appreciation
where did you find this dude... he's excellent.... some advice and thoughts for the emerged artist... not alot of it to be found....
Late to the party, but I’d love to hear his (and your) thoughts re separating art and artist when it comes to overtly autobiographical works
@2:10 "... when you're younger and still think you can conquer the world."
Or... you still think someone else will save you from the world.
Do you prefer stories about anti-heroes?
I'm in my fifties (how did that happen?) and I still like heroes. Not only that, I want my heroes to be heroic. Babylon 5 exemplifies this: Our heroes are vulnerable, flawed and often make the wrong decision, but will dig deep to do the thing we wish we would rather than the thing we probably would if we were in their shoes.
I'm upset and offended by the context in which you use the word "prefer" in this comment!
Always love your comments Lon, thanks for posting.
I dont think Charles Bukowski is a good example of and artist you wish you didn't know because why would you be surprised? I enjoy knowing a bit about my favorite artists.
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I write!
Cool and interesting guy though 👍
WE NEED MORE ARTISTS. Y? IT'S A HEALING: ARTISTS AREN'T "IN IT" TO MAKE-A-BUCK, "they"'r "in it," sorry, "IN IT," TO HEAL THIS PLANET; THAT'S Y. JMG
Sometimes the story can be told through images only within a frame.
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Question #1: I absolutely love stories about anti-heroes because they are the moral grey area of the world they're in. They're not soley good or bad, but a combo of both as they have redemptive qualities about themselves, yet also have flaws that make them not as great of people as we want to believe they are. Character studies about anti-heroes are always a joy.
Question #2: it's very important to seperate the art from the artist because by not doing that you're seeing their work from a skewed lens. However, it's impossible not to connect the art to the artist because most of the time they are letting you into who they are as a person and what's going on in their mind. Many of films made by directors are somehow them giving us a piece of themselves or their life we've never witnessed before, so that makes them more transparent and makes it hard to not see their art the same way.
WOW!
None of these are questions!
Good insights, though.
@@dexp.8090 I meant to say as the answers to the questions asked below. Error on my behalf.
@@ajtaylor8750 Whoops! Sorry about my comment then. I hope it didn't bother you.
@@dexp.8090 It's okay. Not bothered at all. Just a simple miscommunication.
Do you prefer to separate art from the artist?
From my perspective, Art is a flux of Creative Energy that pass trough the artist,
he can and he knows how to tune to that flux, he use it, trough whatever creative craft and or expresion he work with,
to create and manifest something tangible that other humans can see and apreciate in this plane...
Art come from somewhere else...
Artists help to land it here in this plane...
Same creative energy that creates flowers, rivers, mountains, life... Everything...!
That is what runs trough asrtists...
I don`t know if you can separate them...
But there`s more than enough art in the universe as to be abble to see that artists as persons are not indispensable for art to exist...
Its just a matter of waching a deep night sky... or a stormy ocean...
no artist could ever imagine such an installations...
Just my opinion of course...
This interview is really great...
Thanks...!!!
When the artist is Bill Cosby, part of me wishes I could go back to a time when I knew less. There was much good in some of his work, but I don't know if I can watch it without the taint of his real world actions casting a shadow on the art.
On the other hand, knowing something of the artist can help tremendously in appreciating the art. I never liked Picasso's work until I learned that he had mastered previous art styles. Once I saw what he could do with traditional forms, I was open to learning why he would make such bizarre paintings. (Fun fact: It was the work of the Cubist artists that lead to camouflage patterns on Army uniforms.)
The novelist Walker Percy thought successful art may be the best part of the individual artist’s life.
I'm upset and offended by the context in which you use the word "prefer" in this comment!
I think it’s too difficult to do with contemporary artists, because information about them is so readily available and they live in our time, so their attitudes and behaviors are much less forgivable than “well, that’s just how things were in 1630.” It makes it even harder to separate art from artists when artists reflect (parts of) who they are or how they think in their art.
12:10 ghost woman
We know so much about artist now because of social media! So how can we purely base it on the art now?
We are giving more value than ever so its a difficult one.. maybe art wont be as valued anymore and people will be romantic about past art before this time.
Marketing plays a big part in this digital age / persona so how you view someone to compliment the art can be orchestrated anyway..
Paul Mccarthy? Paul McCartney....you got some splanning to do. lol im sorry. i had to. this was a good one again.
Paul McCarthy lol
Anti hero is over done. Everything is one shade, and that shade is dark.
can I come and play tennis with you????
antihero make the world a liberating place to live. How we truly love and respect ourselves if we don't who the antihero
Paul McCarthy, the musician censor
You think maybe you could classify the family in Ozarks as Anti-Villains, not Anti-Heroes? To me an Anti-Hero is a person who does bad things but ultimately they fight or serve the good. To me Anti-Villain is one who does good things but ultimately is evil. To me that's the family in Ozarks.
Never meet your heroes, because you will learn that they have feet old clay.
okay i just read that he is 75 ? ?? how
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Creepy questions about obsessing over an artists's personal life or backstory- as if you need that when enjoying someone's art. Women just love the drama and I ain't talking about acting.
Michael Jackson...
Kanye West
“Paul McCarthy”??? Ohhh he blew it there. He must not really know much about the Beatles
Was Jesus an anti-hero?
Paul McCarthy??? Are you serious?
Iron Man is an anti-hero.