@@guccigg1528 I mean, with all the other details aligning perfectly, I think there is a reason they didn't put it there. Possibly to allude to the fact everything we knew about Lordran and Dark Souls 1 is now gone, buried in Ash, and dead. Not even it's memory lasted. You're playing through the apocalypse of all existence in The Ringed City, it would be kind of out of place to make the original firelink feel too comfortable. Its suppose to look like a perverbial desecrated corpse to us as players. That feeling of what was once here is now lost forever wpuldnt strike as hard if the bonfire was where we know and remember it to be. To the inhabitants of Dark Souls 3, its some meaningless rubble that a demon lives at, and nothing more.
I remember recognizing the room where Frampt used to be and thinking "My God, I'm home." Then it dawned on me how little of Firelink remained. :( Still a great detail, Fromsoft.
@@jackalope_hunter yes, it’s canon that there was a cut part of the game showing that Andre was in fact, one of the children of lord gwyn. Where he pushes he statue in the big room with frampt and it leads to the kiln of the first flame. It was cut sadly
@@D3Maggs I wish they didn’t cut that. It would make a lot of sense, especially since Gwyn has a lot of similarities to Zeus and Zeus slept around a lot. It’s feasible that maybe Andre is the result of Gwyn sleeping with a human woman or something. That would make him a demigod in the vein of Hercules.
It's more like, ds3 is known for the kiln and the ringed city dlc being evidence of "worlds colliding" because of the first flame and how weak it's become. That's why the Patches we meet in firelink shrine never says or admits anything about Lapp/Patches in the Dreg Heap.
I played ds3 first and now im playing ds1. Feels kinda cool actually to visit all these places. Especially when i went to anor londo i didn't even recognize it but then i got to the place where ds3 bonfire is at and everyone was alive. And also the npcs and bosses that in ds3 only weapons and armour remain of. Felt like time travelling ))
something that i love about the series is that ds1 its indeed what maybe ancient times would like like if we assume that dark souls 3 is the present. what a normal undead would think about ancient times maybe in ds3 is what ds1 looks and feels like
This is crushing. What was once home to all of us is now a decrepit remnant of a world that once was, a world that crumbled under the destructive weight of time itself. Hits you right in the fucking feels, man. 🥺 I must go back.
You take a jump from earthen peak into the great hollow to fight the last demon remaining in the ruins of the first firelink shrine while the bed of chaos theme can be heard in the ost... Pure fanservice. When I first played the game and realized I was back in anor londo I got so nostalgic, then hearing a twisted version of gwyndolins theme while fighting aldrich was kinda terrifying. Sister friede instantly reminded me of priscilla and I even recognized her boss arena in the painting. Hearing plin plin plon in the kiln of the first flame that has been filled with ash to the top because so many centuries had passed and then seeing soul of cinder become gwyn and throwing the sunlight spear legit made me cry lmao. This is truly the end of the saga.
i played dark souls 3 first, and i beated dark souls 1 this week. it blowed my mind finding out the real meaning of the messages in dark souls 3 in front of these references, like the sad messages in front of fair lady's corpse
Well the world is near its end, multiple kingdoms are fused together and landmass was a complete mess. It seems that the law of physics slowly going crazy after too much stagnation
@@ambvibing3226 Is that why, technically, Slave Knight Gael is more 'us' (as _the_ player), still chasing that damned Soul, even tough everything has pretty much ended and there's no reason to _still_ be here, compare to Souls of Cinder, who's meant to represent us (as _a_ player) ready to end it all?
We descended backwards through the game in dreg heap. We started in Grand Archives/Lothric, then descended to Earthen Peak/Drangleic, then Firelink/Lordran, and lastly in the bottom, the Ringed City.
it would be cool if someone went from here to somewhere e.g. where the original Anor Londo would be in No Clip. (i know nothing else would be there but it would still be cool.
The world is ending, and multiple worlds are colliding in that place. Thats why the earthen peak (from dark souls 2) and firelink shrine are weirdly so close together.
lol yep. In other games it’s just “oh cool! nostalgic reference!” But in dark souls games, given the lore and world, it’s just “Oh!.....wait.....but......and then.......HUH”
This game me mixed emotions, i felt sad about how the first shrine is now destroyed (actually i wanna cry) and excited for there might be more secrets and revelations related to the previous dark souls sequels, and this made me happy maybe in reality i could still find the last firelink shrine used by the last cursed undead 😂😂😂
i never would have thought that the safe, comfy, beautiful hub world of dark souls 1 would become a boss arena for a terrifying demon just two games later...
my idea is that from massive erosion it sunk into the earth below it and fused to the rest of the landmass. it would make sense considering how vertical the area is.
I think it has to do with the Linking of the Fire ending, the Chosen Undead literally goes out with a bang. Maybe the explosion was strong enough to raze down Firelink from it's peak. There is also the possibility that all land masses are contracting into each other, as the lands converge towards Lothric and the Flame/Kiln
Remember that dark souls 3 is thousands of years after dark souls 1, probably even longer. With the world being fucked up and geography literally changing it’s not too surprising to see it ended up somewhere else. Plus landmasses do change after thousands of years even in the real world
The architecture from DS1 firelink shrine might be scattered throughout that place, but doesn't that whole area look like the shrine of Amana from ds2 also
Who else felt this to be personal. Shit gotta be the most depressing part of the game for those who played DS1 first because...This is our home, the place where most of us would instantly feel safe and peaceful and its reduced to this T_T. Where are the inhabitants though? did they turn hollow?
Oh yeah definitely... I started with DS3, but DS1 stuck with me more and it was what helped me through most of spring and summer of 2020 when we were all in that pandemic. DS1 is truly a magical game
For a small place that sank below the ground out of erosion, that tall tower where Frampt came out of is suprisingly intact last time it was seen in DS1. For something of its shoddy state back then in DS1, earthquakes and erosion would definitely collapse it at any given time, especially something of that size and condition.
In DS3 there is I think a wall painting of two serpents interacting with humans and then being killed, and I think it's referenced in one of the item descriptions that they were killed by humans. I believe the implication is that the two were in fact working together to prevent the "Usurpation of Fire" ending of DS3 although exactly why is never made clear.
Can you do a video comparing areas in DSR vs where they are now in DS3 like you did in this video please? Like Anor Londo, etc. I'm curious what other areas I missed in the playthrough.
My first souls game is DS3, so when I got here, I was confused by the sad and painful, seemingly random messages from other players. Now looking back, its truly like I was a clueless nobody, unaware of the glorious past lost to time.
Not really lost to time. People still play DS1. Finishing Elden Ring made me miss how simple it was and how different in theme it felt despite being part of the Dark Souls franchise. I come back to it every single time I finish a souls game even if my first was DS3. And I was late to the party like you. There's just something about DS1 that I can't explain.
One thing that bugs me is that there was lot's of lower level ground around firelink shrine and it was also in open. inDS3 the lower level is just gone and firelink shrine is on flat land, also inside a large cave. doesn't make any sense. and if this is the firelink shrine then what is the one in ds3 where we first go?
4:52 “my life was a lie...” Sing with me, sing for a year Sing for the laughter, and sing for the tear Sing with me, if it's just for today Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away
Keep in mind that time in the DS universe is tied to the first flame, and thereby convoluted. It sorta helps to see DS3 and the Ringed City DLC as two different "games". For example, when you start the DLC, and arrive in the Dreg Heap, the architecture around you is that of Lothric, but broken (DS3). When you descend down this place, you arrive at a place that looks like the remains Harvest Valley castle (DS2). At the end, when you go all the way down, you end up at the remains of the original Firelink Shrine (DS1). Lothric is intact when you start your play-through of DS3, so its destroyed state in the Dreg Heap can make one speculate: The opening of the game states that as the fire fades, "the lands of the lords converge" This could mean that these "lands" are connected by the "memory" of the flame. Since the flame is fading, so does time, and it connects these places in the material. Solaire mentions this as well in DS1, he says that his world and yours converge at the moment, but in the next, that may no longer be the case (so he tells you how to summon people to your instance in time, your world). The only logic behind what particular places get "connected" to each other in this manner, is never explained. However, given the heavy emphasis on "souls" shaping the world around them (Lord souls especially so: Gwyn's with light, the Pygmy's with dark, the witch of Izalith's with Life, Nito's with Death), it's possible that "large souls" (bosses?) decide what places get connected, and in what time. This is what makes it possible for Manus (a Pygmy with a large part of the dark soul) to pull the chosen undead (DS1) into the "past" in the Artorias DLC. If you can get pulled into the past, why not the future? The Dreg Heap may be just that. A look into the future. The hag at the top of the Dreg Heap says "At the close of the Age of Fire, all lands meet at the end of the earth. Great kingdoms and anaemic townships will be one and the same." This implies that all the lands that were relevant to the linking of the flame converge at the same spot when the flame fades. Firelink Shrine was relevant in DS1, Harvest Valley in DS2, and Lothric in DS3. In a sense, this is the result of the repeated linking of the flame. That's why in the background, you can see countless other buildings of different architectures continuing to converge. All of them, from the countless other times that someone linked the flame. Later in the DLC (at Geal's fight), you go even further into the future, and can see the ash wasteland that the continued linking of the flame has produced. So...the real answer to your question is this: there is no timeline to understand better. When the fire fades, that type of logical understanding of "progression" and "consequence" gets thrown out the window. In fact, some theories suggest that Gwyn essentially "broke" the world by linking the flame for the first time. The Untended Graves area's existence is an interesting thing to consider if that were true, but that would make this post even longer lol The beauty of the way the lore is conveyed in the Dark Souls series is that you can make up your own theories. So, you can make up your own mind about it all :P
@@Piratadoidao actually no, the dreg heap is the convergence of various places; lotrich and The firelink shrine from DS are not in the same location or nearby
It confuses me because it would mean ringed city is new londo, which makes no sense at all. Its similar but the architecture is completely different and the placement makes no sense
I believe at the end of Dark Souls 3, time is suffering distortions, as Solaire stated in Dark Souls 1, and also you can see by yourself, with the Earthen Peak at the top of firelink shrine, which makes no sense, Anor Londo being in a valley instead of a mountian, Oolacile being in a deep underground sewer instead of a forest or cliff area, and so on...
@@hil449 Bruh, learn to fucking read, you'll look a lot less stupid. It's clearly stated in the game, surprisingly, that all lands are folding onto each other and merging as time/reality collapses.
I wish that the original map from first game was left as it was and Dark Souls 3 just expanded the map without completely changing the layout of it, when I seen how Anor Londo did look I was really happy to see it because it was very similar to the original, even blacksmith was there, at least his body, but still the whole area around it was completely different which is strange to me and I wonder what happened, the game is not very good at story telling so I'm not sure why everything is so different and what exactly happened, FIrelink Shrine is also completely different, even the one from DLC is so much different
So the True ending is the chosen undead link the first flame, and Ringed city is new Lodran? And the best ending is refuse to link the fire and became the Dark lord?
Maybe new londo is the ring city there is abyss references like the abyssal swamp the four kings are in a abyss maybe some of it unearthed and caused it to be consumed you can turn into a humanity in the abyssal swamp and dark eater midir there must’ve been a lot of darkness like the abyss to take over a dragon and still go on consuming the city those talking bug men reference the abyss and dusk the knights weapons were also made from abyss darkness until the gods cast a seal of fire on them like a punishment they also sent midir there like a guardian or a cleaner they probably thought a dragon was immune to it they were wrong ( also I have no idea why he fires laser but it maybe pure concentrated darkness )
Everything looks misplaced. Not in the same position as what you show with the well placement vs where the broken tower is. But its undoubtedly close to the originalw
@@JoeyCentral Yes because Dark Souls 3 takes place many years probably hundreds or thousands into the future and many flame linking cycles after Dark Souls 1. The Titanite Demons and Winged Bats and what not have been dead for a long time.
Everything was absorbed into the end of the world, basically, all kingdoms and such were converging into the Kiln's area. You can see that in the final area, how everything looks warped.
Honestly if you go back and play Dark Souls 1, this can be said like with New Londo before it became ruins. Perhaps it comes with time after ages like each game.
![[DS3] Where exactly is Firelink Shrine located?](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mmjnSyXZVKg/mqdefault.jpg)
I wish that after killing the demon prince, the bonfire would be where the bonfire was in firelink, in the middle of the small ringed staircase thing
Now THAT would have been attention to detail heh
Fanservice at its finest
And after that, the original Firelink Shrine OST would start playing
@@guccigg1528 I mean, with all the other details aligning perfectly, I think there is a reason they didn't put it there. Possibly to allude to the fact everything we knew about Lordran and Dark Souls 1 is now gone, buried in Ash, and dead. Not even it's memory lasted.
You're playing through the apocalypse of all existence in The Ringed City, it would be kind of out of place to make the original firelink feel too comfortable. Its suppose to look like a perverbial desecrated corpse to us as players. That feeling of what was once here is now lost forever wpuldnt strike as hard if the bonfire was where we know and remember it to be. To the inhabitants of Dark Souls 3, its some meaningless rubble that a demon lives at, and nothing more.
and after that we get sent to the past and we replay ds1 again with better mechanics
I remember recognizing the room where Frampt used to be and thinking "My God, I'm home."
Then it dawned on me how little of Firelink remained. :(
Still a great detail, Fromsoft.
then you stop and think, wait a second, is andre the blacksmith a god? O_O
@@jackalope_hunter yes, it’s canon that there was a cut part of the game showing that Andre was in fact, one of the children of lord gwyn. Where he pushes he statue in the big room with frampt and it leads to the kiln of the first flame. It was cut sadly
@@D3MaggsY did they cut it?
@@D3Maggs I wish they didn’t cut that. It would make a lot of sense, especially since Gwyn has a lot of similarities to Zeus and Zeus slept around a lot. It’s feasible that maybe Andre is the result of Gwyn sleeping with a human woman or something. That would make him a demigod in the vein of Hercules.
The land is filled with ash of linking the first flame over and over I guess.
Mert Oguz + the battle with the lord of cinder occurs at the same place as with Gwynn, just way higher and the arena collided with the great hollow
HollowIndex oops
It's more like, ds3 is known for the kiln and the ringed city dlc being evidence of "worlds colliding" because of the first flame and how weak it's become. That's why the Patches we meet in firelink shrine never says or admits anything about Lapp/Patches in the Dreg Heap.
My once beautiful and vibrant Firelink Shrine, what have you become?? ;_; T_T
hasn't been in a good shape to begin with ^^ but seriously, they put it there just for nostalgia reason nothing else, just like anor londo.
I can't wait to see it in the remastered version.
@@eat_your_jimmies Guess you were disappointed
@@scorched8136 lol. Pretty much.
He punched the well too many times :(
For some reason, watch this makes me fell so sad :'(
Probably because dark souls is over.
@@PedroLopes-bw9sy Dont say that, I'm still on the denial stage of grief x_x
nostalgia often feels like a bittersweet sadness.
@@PedroLopes-bw9sy There will be a dark souls 4.
@@MyCoxAfloping No, Elden Ring is total new IP
Look how they masscared my boi 😢
I knew that this place was in my memories but i couldn't tell, which place it is. Even after the message "again?" i couldn't tell xD
"This place again"
They should've put the firelink shrine music in this area
a sad version of the music would have been cool.
@@presidentdeadpool3198 thanks sons crying.
No, the game already has enough fan service in it. It is literally a fan service game, instead of having its OWN ground.
If they make a fan service game of all souls games it would make a full grown man cry
Yeah!
I PLAYED THE DLC SO MANY TIMES AND NEVER REALIZED THIS???? Man I love Dark Souls 3
I played ds3 first and now im playing ds1. Feels kinda cool actually to visit all these places. Especially when i went to anor londo i didn't even recognize it but then i got to the place where ds3 bonfire is at and everyone was alive. And also the npcs and bosses that in ds3 only weapons and armour remain of. Felt like time travelling ))
I had the same experience as you did
I have different experience
It's feels like I'm seeing the future and everything I love, I fight for is lost.....
Well thousands of years pass between ds1 and 3 so yeah
something that i love about the series is that ds1 its indeed what maybe ancient times would like like if we assume that dark souls 3 is the present. what a normal undead would think about ancient times maybe in ds3 is what ds1 looks and feels like
I had opposite experience, I was struck with nostalgia
This is crushing. What was once home to all of us is now a decrepit remnant of a world that once was, a world that crumbled under the destructive weight of time itself. Hits you right in the fucking feels, man. 🥺
I must go back.
*cries in nostaligia**
Just like in the original the place was already at ruins.
It's just a game my dude
"So, off you go. It is why you came, isn't it? To this accursed land of Undead?"
;_;
I'm not crying, you're crying
Matthew Chow memories bring back memories bring back you
Nice job with the comparison.
I agree, it was amazing!
You take a jump from earthen peak into the great hollow to fight the last demon remaining in the ruins of the first firelink shrine while the bed of chaos theme can be heard in the ost... Pure fanservice. When I first played the game and realized I was back in anor londo I got so nostalgic, then hearing a twisted version of gwyndolins theme while fighting aldrich was kinda terrifying. Sister friede instantly reminded me of priscilla and I even recognized her boss arena in the painting. Hearing plin plin plon in the kiln of the first flame that has been filled with ash to the top because so many centuries had passed and then seeing soul of cinder become gwyn and throwing the sunlight spear legit made me cry lmao. This is truly the end of the saga.
i played dark souls 3 first, and i beated dark souls 1 this week. it blowed my mind finding out the real meaning of the messages in dark souls 3 in front of these references, like the sad messages in front of fair lady's corpse
Work on your English ASAP.
Can’t believe I missed this, was too busy hitting the walls looking for hidden doorways. Was right in front of me
How has a cliff edge just turned into flat ground lol
Well if your ever played ds1 you can tell it probably colasped on it self hence why its like that lol
Well the world is near its end, multiple kingdoms are fused together and landmass was a complete mess. It seems that the law of physics slowly going crazy after too much stagnation
Probably from the world collapsing in in itself from the age of fire endinf
@@ambvibing3226 nothing you do matter because its all going to happen again.
@@ambvibing3226 Is that why, technically, Slave Knight Gael is more 'us' (as _the_ player), still chasing that damned Soul, even tough everything has pretty much ended and there's no reason to _still_ be here, compare to Souls of Cinder, who's meant to represent us (as _a_ player) ready to end it all?
I can't believe I never realized that...
We descended backwards through the game in dreg heap. We started in Grand Archives/Lothric, then descended to Earthen Peak/Drangleic, then Firelink/Lordran, and lastly in the bottom, the Ringed City.
:So is this your home?
:yes and it was beautiful 😔
it would be cool if someone went from here to somewhere e.g. where the original Anor Londo would be in No Clip. (i know nothing else would be there but it would still be cool.
The world is ending, and multiple worlds are colliding in that place. Thats why the earthen peak (from dark souls 2) and firelink shrine are weirdly so close together.
Dark Souls location nostalgic effect in a nutshell
"How the fuck did this end up here"
lol yep. In other games it’s just “oh cool! nostalgic reference!”
But in dark souls games, given the lore and world, it’s just “Oh!.....wait.....but......and then.......HUH”
This game me mixed emotions, i felt sad about how the first shrine is now destroyed (actually i wanna cry) and excited for there might be more secrets and revelations related to the previous dark souls sequels, and this made me happy maybe in reality i could still find the last firelink shrine used by the last cursed undead 😂😂😂
Prequels
lovely ending - music to my ears
I just took a 5 min stun attack
Piercing attack in the feels
i never would have thought that the safe, comfy, beautiful hub world of dark souls 1 would become a boss arena for a terrifying demon just two games later...
Did the place get razed to the ground or something? It looks so different without the cliff side and bridge in the distance.
my idea is that from massive erosion it sunk into the earth below it and fused to the rest of the landmass. it would make sense considering how vertical the area is.
I think it has to do with the Linking of the Fire ending, the Chosen Undead literally goes out with a bang. Maybe the explosion was strong enough to raze down Firelink from it's peak. There is also the possibility that all land masses are contracting into each other, as the lands converge towards Lothric and the Flame/Kiln
Remember that dark souls 3 is thousands of years after dark souls 1, probably even longer. With the world being fucked up and geography literally changing it’s not too surprising to see it ended up somewhere else. Plus landmasses do change after thousands of years even in the real world
i fought Demon Prince, and didnt even notice the fight was in the Old Firelink area LOL. how did i not notice
The architecture from DS1 firelink shrine might be scattered throughout that place, but doesn't that whole area look like the shrine of Amana from ds2 also
Who else felt this to be personal. Shit gotta be the most depressing part of the game for those who played DS1 first because...This is our home, the place where most of us would instantly feel safe and peaceful and its reduced to this T_T.
Where are the inhabitants though? did they turn hollow?
Oh yeah definitely... I started with DS3, but DS1 stuck with me more and it was what helped me through most of spring and summer of 2020 when we were all in that pandemic. DS1 is truly a magical game
For a small place that sank below the ground out of erosion, that tall tower where Frampt came out of is suprisingly intact last time it was seen in DS1. For something of its shoddy state back then in DS1, earthquakes and erosion would definitely collapse it at any given time, especially something of that size and condition.
Frampt? Hello?
Hi
@@wolfhoundraider9044 yo
Ooh, so Lordran and Lothric ARE connected!
Duh you literally go to anor londo in ds3
all dark souls are connected, and geographically all happen in the same place
@@Charsoul41 Dranglic too?
I never understood how everything in the first game is now underground?
Could this imply the Undead Burg is nearby?
No
S M O U G H G U D why not mang
@@raulcastro5501 I assume it would be covered in a few centuries worth of ash.
Or maybe not that previous statement, because everything was converged together.
( Totally forgot about that.)
Tbh the undead burg could be anywhere.
Heck, I would go to the catacombs graveyard and pick myself the zweihander
Re-imagine the legend
So what hell happened to those toothy serpents anyway? They just off and vanished?
IIRC do the Dark Lord ending and you'll see them in the cinematics. Or maybe that's Dark Souls 2.
frampt, who knows. kaathe is probably near londor since that entire civilisation is built around his teachings.
In DS3 there is I think a wall painting of two serpents interacting with humans and then being killed, and I think it's referenced in one of the item descriptions that they were killed by humans. I believe the implication is that the two were in fact working together to prevent the "Usurpation of Fire" ending of DS3 although exactly why is never made clear.
Dead..all toothy Serpent are presumely dead, especially Kaathe (confirmed dead)
Can you do a video comparing areas in DSR vs where they are now in DS3 like you did in this video please? Like Anor Londo, etc. I'm curious what other areas I missed in the playthrough.
I need Dark Souls 1 2 😢
0:54 “try jumping”
Being able to summon Lapp for that fight seems oddly fitting.
My first souls game is DS3, so when I got here, I was confused by the sad and painful, seemingly random messages from other players. Now looking back, its truly like I was a clueless nobody, unaware of the glorious past lost to time.
Not really lost to time. People still play DS1. Finishing Elden Ring made me miss how simple it was and how different in theme it felt despite being part of the Dark Souls franchise. I come back to it every single time I finish a souls game even if my first was DS3. And I was late to the party like you. There's just something about DS1 that I can't explain.
Where did those valleys gone???
Topi Kelapa It‘s probably some thousand years after it. Several kingdoms...
How the firelink ends in some bunch of dtones and under a cave when literally was in a mountain
At first I thought it was just coincidence. But as the vid kept going, my mind kept breaking.
Honestly makes you wonder where this all was during the age of the Lothric kingdom.
The catacombs were also reduced to ashes… poor skeleton blacksmith
how the fuck am I just learning about this now
A great comparison, thanks for this!!
Dude, I love dark souls. ❤
I wanna know how close that is to the new Firelink.
The Gift Of Jericho Y2H HZR
Not at all lol
This place is in the Ringed City, a DLC area deep underground.
One thing that bugs me is that there was lot's of lower level ground around firelink shrine and it was also in open. inDS3 the lower level is just gone and firelink shrine is on flat land, also inside a large cave. doesn't make any sense. and if this is the firelink shrine then what is the one in ds3 where we first go?
4:52 “my life was a lie...”
Sing with me, sing for a year
Sing for the laughter, and sing for the tear
Sing with me, if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away
Of fire link shrine, undead burg, the church, blight town, and ash lake, all locations from ds1 with only a small fragment of what they once were
So, is Firelink Shrine almost like an honorary name for whichever bonfire is linked (or closest to) the first flame?
Imagine if you found Domhnall's corpse there after the fight.
Do you remember this dude?
That's him now! Feel old yet?
can anyone recommend any good lores explaining the existence of fire link shrine in both ds1 and ds3? would be cool to understand the timeline better
Keep in mind that time in the DS universe is tied to the first flame, and thereby convoluted. It sorta helps to see DS3 and the Ringed City DLC as two different "games".
For example, when you start the DLC, and arrive in the Dreg Heap, the architecture around you is that of Lothric, but broken (DS3). When you descend down this place, you arrive at a place that looks like the remains Harvest Valley castle (DS2). At the end, when you go all the way down, you end up at the remains of the original Firelink Shrine (DS1).
Lothric is intact when you start your play-through of DS3, so its destroyed state in the Dreg Heap can make one speculate:
The opening of the game states that as the fire fades, "the lands of the lords converge" This could mean that these "lands" are connected by the "memory" of the flame. Since the flame is fading, so does time, and it connects these places in the material. Solaire mentions this as well in DS1, he says that his world and yours converge at the moment, but in the next, that may no longer be the case (so he tells you how to summon people to your instance in time, your world). The only logic behind what particular places get "connected" to each other in this manner, is never explained. However, given the heavy emphasis on "souls" shaping the world around them (Lord souls especially so: Gwyn's with light, the Pygmy's with dark, the witch of Izalith's with Life, Nito's with Death), it's possible that "large souls" (bosses?) decide what places get connected, and in what time. This is what makes it possible for Manus (a Pygmy with a large part of the dark soul) to pull the chosen undead (DS1) into the "past" in the Artorias DLC. If you can get pulled into the past, why not the future? The Dreg Heap may be just that. A look into the future. The hag at the top of the Dreg Heap says "At the close of the Age of Fire, all lands meet at the end of the earth. Great kingdoms and anaemic townships will be one and the same."
This implies that all the lands that were relevant to the linking of the flame converge at the same spot when the flame fades. Firelink Shrine was relevant in DS1, Harvest Valley in DS2, and Lothric in DS3. In a sense, this is the result of the repeated linking of the flame. That's why in the background, you can see countless other buildings of different architectures continuing to converge. All of them, from the countless other times that someone linked the flame. Later in the DLC (at Geal's fight), you go even further into the future, and can see the ash wasteland that the continued linking of the flame has produced.
So...the real answer to your question is this: there is no timeline to understand better.
When the fire fades, that type of logical understanding of "progression" and "consequence" gets thrown out the window. In fact, some theories suggest that Gwyn essentially "broke" the world by linking the flame for the first time. The Untended Graves area's existence is an interesting thing to consider if that were true, but that would make this post even longer lol
The beauty of the way the lore is conveyed in the Dark Souls series is that you can make up your own theories. So, you can make up your own mind about it all :P
how did i never notice this
Atleast patches is still pushing people off cliffs
So how did the kiln of the first flame, earthen peak and firelink shrine all end up in the same place
So the ringed city was there from the beginning with.
If they would’ve put the Nexus in there somewhere, I definitely would’ve dropped some tears. This was pretty poignant as well.
We can only dream that Demon's Souls and Dark Souls will have an ACTUAL crossover ;-;
@@guccigg1528 i mean dks is basically a sequel of ds bad ending
@@vherox3826 this comment needs more ups 👆
@@guccigg1528they won't become Sony owns the right to demon souls and not fromsoft
I had a eureka moment when I saw the well in the area
If this is Firelink from DS1, could the swamp area in the ringed city actually be Blighttown?
Nah.. The ringed city existed since Gwyn did.. So it's its own place I think
@@kroh7742 but if firelink shrine is near Ringed City, it means the Ringed City exists somewhere near it in Dks1. It's just we never really visited it
@@Piratadoidao actually no, the dreg heap is the convergence of various places; lotrich and The firelink shrine from DS are not in the same location or nearby
@@Piratadoidao the ringed city isn’t necessarily near dark souls 1. It’s just that fire link from ds1 isn’t where it used to be
My guess is Blighttown is caved in and its poison swamps leaked into Darkroot, which is now Farron Keep in DS3.
Great Video! Thanks m8
It confuses me because it would mean ringed city is new londo, which makes no sense at all. Its similar but the architecture is completely different and the placement makes no sense
Not really. Ringed city is straight behind Frampt and the Catacombs.
didnt even notice!
I didn't see that before, now i certanly do
firelink shrine was already in shambles in ds1 how is it still standing?
I believe at the end of Dark Souls 3, time is suffering distortions, as Solaire stated in Dark Souls 1, and also you can see by yourself, with the Earthen Peak at the top of firelink shrine, which makes no sense, Anor Londo being in a valley instead of a mountian, Oolacile being in a deep underground sewer instead of a forest or cliff area, and so on...
@@nachovennedictus6492 nice way to excuse the game inconsistencies
@@hil449 haha the worst part is that you're right
@@hil449the second line of the opening cinematic literally tells you that the lands are converging
@@hil449 Bruh, learn to fucking read, you'll look a lot less stupid.
It's clearly stated in the game, surprisingly, that all lands are folding onto each other and merging as time/reality collapses.
I wish that the original map from first game was left as it was and Dark Souls 3 just expanded the map without completely changing the layout of it, when I seen how Anor Londo did look I was really happy to see it because it was very similar to the original, even blacksmith was there, at least his body, but still the whole area around it was completely different which is strange to me and I wonder what happened, the game is not very good at story telling so I'm not sure why everything is so different and what exactly happened, FIrelink Shrine is also completely different, even the one from DLC is so much different
so new londo is underneath this cool
I saw a video like this but like a short edit comparing everything with the firelink shrine music but I dont found it:(
I'm still can endure Firelink Shrine but if it was Majula then i would be so sad
The ringed city was a masterpiece
So the True ending is the chosen undead link the first flame, and Ringed city is new Lodran?
And the best ending is refuse to link the fire and became the Dark lord?
Wait, it's the same place?! 🤯
Visions of old
Hey, people are writing some messages about a pyromancer in DS3 on the left side when you leave the arena, is that some DS1 reference?
Laurentius used to sits there
There is a video that restores firelink. When I am rich, it will be part of my dream house!
I fuckin love these game
so no more new londo?
Maybe new londo is the ring city there is abyss references like the abyssal swamp the four kings are in a abyss maybe some of it unearthed and caused it to be consumed you can turn into a humanity in the abyssal swamp and dark eater midir there must’ve been a lot of darkness like the abyss to take over a dragon and still go on consuming the city those talking bug men reference the abyss and dusk the knights weapons were also made from abyss darkness until the gods cast a seal of fire on them like a punishment they also sent midir there like a guardian or a cleaner they probably thought a dragon was immune to it they were wrong ( also I have no idea why he fires laser but it maybe pure concentrated darkness )
Home...
if only you could have found father mask here
LOL D3 it should be the end of D1 but from software they are lazy/greed with its
@@60secondgaming21 tf?
@@60secondgaming21 ?
Sooo where's blighttown
Look at what they’ve done to my boy :(
Everything looks misplaced. Not in the same position as what you show with the well placement vs where the broken tower is. But its undoubtedly close to the originalw
So does this mean that the Ringed City is Anor Londo?
You literally go to anor londo in ds3, like there is an area called anor londo
@@BlueTomato217 I know but is it real?
@@JoeyCentral Yes its the real anor londo.
@@BlueTomato217 it seems different though. Like I can’t find the titanite demon or those winged demons or that stuff
@@JoeyCentral Yes because Dark Souls 3 takes place many years probably hundreds or thousands into the future and many flame linking cycles after Dark Souls 1. The Titanite Demons and Winged Bats and what not have been dead for a long time.
I wish we could get another dark souls game
Elden ring...
@@pathfinder9401 Dark souls 4
which is not possible since they're done with the franchise and nothing to do storywise
I'm home...
nooo why it has to be this sad
98 to comment, its so great to see the firelink shrine again
Just noticing this in 2023 tf
This is where we all started bois....
Holy shit
DS3 is a good game but the fanservice is just ridiculous.
How did the cliffs and abyss get filled?
So what happen to this
What made this shrine gets destroyed
how could it be possible of the entire shrine ended up underground? Makes zero sense
Everything was absorbed into the end of the world, basically, all kingdoms and such were converging into the Kiln's area. You can see that in the final area, how everything looks warped.
did you play the DLC? I mean, this is the whole point of The Dreg Heap.
Bruh
When you don't know anything about the DLC but you assume stuff anyways.
Honestly if you go back and play Dark Souls 1, this can be said like with New Londo before it became ruins. Perhaps it comes with time after ages like each game.