The dead know not anything. Knowing something is consciousness. Death is sleep. It’s not complicated. You enter the same oblivion you were born out of before you were alive. Until you’ll be born again at the resurrection.
I believe after dying the body will not be alive at all: not "sleep", but die completely. "Sleep" is a methaphore. The person will not be ín the body that is the "spacesuit" now. The real person that is the Spirit (of God ín us) goes back to God, and will be one with Him forever. Who is not "ready" for that may go to the "developer", and that can be anything God prepares for them 😁.Then comes the resurrection of the body for each and every person one day. Why? We will be all right ín Him as spirits I think. May be because God so loves our bodies too and does not want to just "disappear".😂 God is good ❤
I think dispensationalism makes the salvation of all more clear. Learned of it from Rodney Beaulieu. That salvation is true regardless if I believe it or not. Our believing does not make it true, something is true regardless if we accept to believe it or not. I try not to muddy salvation of all with my own understanding, since I know a lot of people seem to come to it from their own experiences. See it their own way which may or may not fit exactly the way I came to it. I think people tend to get bogged down too much on how to arrive to that conclusion rather than just realizing that is the conclusion.
Concordant Publishing seems to have a dispensationalist understanding of the Scriptures. They publish an interesting quarterly magazine and some great Bible study resources like the Concordant New Testament. It's nice there is something Christian Universalist that still issues a print periodical, and I enjoy it even though I'm not a dispensationalist or Christian Unitarian (they don't believe in the Trinity.)
The true gospel is trinitarian universalism, the Devil/masons have done a great job destroying the gospel with their mistranslations and their Unitarian grabage. As in the days of Noah I guess.
"To be absent from the body is to be face to face with the Lord." 2 Cor 5:8 So what is it that becomes absent from the body and face to face with the Lord?
@@storba3860 The way that scripture is worded is saying to be absent "from" the body, not to be "in" a resurrected body. And it sounds immediate, not like something far off at another time. This man says he believes we are tripartite beings, but he only mentions us having a body and soul, so why doesn't he talk about our spirit, which would then make us this tripartite being he speaks of. What you quoted is from the Old Testament and is talking about the time before Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection. If we can be face to face with the Lord immediately, then the dead must know something now in these times, at least those who are in Christ.
And what about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man? The Bosom of Abraham? The OT faithful were with Abraham, but the unfaithful were in torment. Both groups knew that.
@@doriesse824 No they didn't. Daniel 12:2 illustrates just the opposite. You can't awaken to everlasting shame and contempt if you're already in everlasting shame and contempt when you die.
@@williamoarlock8634 Yep, you're on the right track. It's referring to a vampire (Bela Lugosi), so yeah, the undead. It's a song from the band, Bauhaus.
Excellent. I believe there are three resurrections, the final one being the group that is raised from the second death. The first resurrection is limited, as stated in Rev. 20:4-6. Then, the “hour” comes when all who are in the tomb are raised to either life or to judgment with the latter being thrown into the second death Rev. 20-12-15. This matches perfectly with the three harvests and three major feast celebrations spoken about by Moses - barley, wheat and grapes. It also matches with Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:29-28. The first group or squadron is “the anointed first fruit”, the second are “His at His coming, and then comes the end - the end of what? The end of the squadrons - the last group - His former enemies - the grapes, which go to the wine press and put “under His feet.” Rev. Chapter 14 shows all three groups bigger than Dallas. It’s a fun subject to study and provides some pretty amazing insight.
Not sure about all of this brother. The Apostles were witnessing the first resurrection in their days as they were making disciples. Hence the language, "crucified with Christ and then raised to new life." This is spiritual life, a new creation. Those who believed never died just as Jesus promised. And the second resurrection occurred at the end of the old covenant age in AD 70 at the end of that generation. Those in Hades were given new spiritual bodies and those still alive on earth received their full consummated spiritual bodies as 1 Corinthians 15 states.
@@Ajsirb24 Good thoughts and I understand your position. However, if you read the context about being raised, they were speaking about being raised from death under the curse of the old covenant of the law. Col. 2:12-13 and Eph. 2:5-7. Paul was not speaking about a physical resurrection, he was speaking about us no longer being dead in our trespasses, but being made alive with Christ who bore our sins on the cross. That thought is heavenly. Also, the word “raised” is a different word than word used for resurrection. Resurrection concerns being raised as Jesus was raised to immortality with a new body. All of those Apostles died and they will be resurrected again. Blessings on you; we have much to celebrate. I would appreciate your prayers as I am writing a book on the subject. There is so much for us to learn!
@@Ajsirb24 I agree with you there. All of those things that Jesus was relaying to the religious leaders of that day did come to pass in 70 a.d. The elect were gathered to spread the good news, and the rest of the nation were taken away - removed as in the days of Noah. No one was resurrected as Jesus was resurrected.
@Jim Strahan Thank you for your response. Paul never signified physical resurrection when compared to that of Jesus. His physical resurrection was a sign of His greater resurrection, which was spiritual. Paul said Jesus was the first to rise from the dead (nekroi in Greek, which is the plural form). Jesus was the first spirit to rise up out of Hades. This spiritual resurrection is significant, and it is to this Paul pointed. The resurrection in AD 70 at the end of the old covenant age was a spiritual corporate resurrection of both the dead saints in Hades and the then living saints as a whole. The natural body (corporate in nature) was removed and replaced with the spiritual body (corporate as well). This body of believers is the church, the body of Christ (the "Israel of faith", the "new Jerusalem", aka "heavenly Jerusalem"). Also, the same Greek root word is used both Matthew 28:7 and 1 Corinthians 15:15.
As a universalist, you have to jump through hoops and play mind games in order to make dispensationalism seem logical. All prophecy has been fulfilled. Therefore, when we die physically, believers will not experience the second death. Unbelievers will however be purified by this "lake of fire" and then, as a holy new creation, be allowed into God's heavenly kingdom. The church is the new Jerusalem. Revelation is all symbolism and figurative language. Do not take any of it literally. That was not John's intention.
@Matt R. Because at the outset, John lets his readers know that the revelation/appearing of Jesus was about to take place within their lifetimes, not our lifetimes 2000 years in the future. Obviously, not every single word in Revelation is symbolic and metaphorical. With that said, as modern readers we cannot automatically conclude what was said in this book as a reference to what is occurring today. In fact within the context of scripture, John makes allusions to almost every single book in the old testament except 2, Esther and the Song of Solomon. Using these contexts of scripture and imminent time statements, we can safely conclude that the book was directed towards an event that would mainly impact the people of Israel. The corporate body of old covenant Israel was completely destroyed in AD 70. What remained was the corporate body of new covenant Israel, i.e. the church. These Christians were the elected remnant of the bloodline of Israel with the Gentiles grafted into his tree, as Paul stated in Romans 9-11 (the symbolic 144,000 remnant of Revelation). It is all beautifully connected. Universal salvation and fulfilled eschatology are inseparable.
@@doriesse824 Exactly. But Jesus was not speaking of a destruction from heavenly salvation. He spoke of a destruction from the coming Roman armies that finally did destroy Israel during that generation in AD 70, just as He prophesied.
After the resurrection of Christ the mystery the gospel, had been revealed to Paul, through the abundance of Revelation 2nd Corinthians 12:7, in 2nd Corinthians chapter 5 Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, he also said the same things in Philippians chapter 1, he wanted to depart and be with Christ, all this can be accomplished after the resurrection of Jesus.
Jesus said to the thief on the cross, “Today, you will be with Me in Paradise.” I do not believe that the thief was in Paradise that day asleep. His spirit/soul was awakened to newness of life when he took his final breath, and was with the Lord that very same day, in Paradise very much awake. This doesn’t mean he skipped judgment, it just means he wasn’t asleep and still asleep. God is not a god of the dead, but of the living.
There are some exceptions but multiple verses in the Bible refer to death as sleep and Hell being in the future since Daniel says those in the ground will awake and Jesus refers to the resurrection of life and resurrection of condemnation.
I used to believe the way you do now. But then it was pointed out to me what Jesus actually said, “I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise.” That first phrase was familiar to the Jews as an opening remark where the person was about to say something very important - I say to you today! Jesus did not ascend to paradise until 3 days later. He was in the grave and could not be in paradise with the thief on the day he died. And when he said that God is a God of the living, not the dead, he was speaking to Sadducees, who did not believe in a resurrection. If Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were alive in heaven when he said that, then, Jesus would not have been the firstborn of the dead. The scriptures are clear that “he alone hath immortality. Jesus was referring to those 3 boys pointing out that God keeps his promises just like he did for them. I hope you find this helpful. It’s a fascinating subject. Even if we may disagree, we can at least agree that he will give us life again, and that is a wonderful wonderful promise.
The millennium is in heaven, not on earth. The righteous dead have been resurrected and join the righteous living with Jesus in heaven, while all the wicked are asleep in the grave until the millennium is over and Jesus returns to earth with the righteous. That's the timeline and events as I understand it.
Present 🎁 thyself⚛️ as a living sacrifice, that YaHU'aH 🔯 may possess you 💜 🦉 🔯 Obey the 13 COM+MAN+🔺's Ecclesiastes 12 13 YeremiYahu 7 chapter. For he who obeys YaHU'aHs commands, inherit the key 🔯🧬🔺⚛️🔯 of immortality 🔯💜 See elder John Macarthur Hope for the remnant video
The dead know not anything. Knowing something is consciousness. Death is sleep. It’s not complicated. You enter the same oblivion you were born out of before you were alive. Until you’ll be born again at the resurrection.
I believe after dying the body will not be alive at all: not "sleep", but die completely. "Sleep" is a methaphore. The person will not be ín the body that is the "spacesuit" now. The real person that is the Spirit (of God ín us) goes back to God, and will be one with Him forever. Who is not "ready" for that may go to the "developer", and that can be anything God prepares for them 😁.Then comes the resurrection of the body for each and every person one day. Why? We will be all right ín Him as spirits I think. May be because God so loves our bodies too and does not want to just "disappear".😂 God is good ❤
Sorry but study of the paranormal proves this wrong hate to say it I don’t belive the soul is temporary
I think dispensationalism makes the salvation of all more clear. Learned of it from Rodney Beaulieu. That salvation is true regardless if I believe it or not. Our believing does not make it true, something is true regardless if we accept to believe it or not. I try not to muddy salvation of all with my own understanding, since I know a lot of people seem to come to it from their own experiences. See it their own way which may or may not fit exactly the way I came to it. I think people tend to get bogged down too much on how to arrive to that conclusion rather than just realizing that is the conclusion.
Concordant Publishing seems to have a dispensationalist understanding of the Scriptures. They publish an interesting quarterly magazine and some great Bible study resources like the Concordant New Testament. It's nice there is something Christian Universalist that still issues a print periodical, and I enjoy it even though I'm not a dispensationalist or Christian Unitarian (they don't believe in the Trinity.)
The true gospel is trinitarian universalism, the Devil/masons have done a great job destroying the gospel with their mistranslations and their Unitarian grabage. As in the days of Noah I guess.
@@JTomas96Pretrib dispensationalism had the unfortunate effect of getting Christians out of politics.
"To be absent from the body is to be face to face with the Lord." 2 Cor 5:8 So what is it that becomes absent from the body and face to face with the Lord?
I believe this is referring to the resurrection bodies. "The living know that they will die but the dead know nothing."
@@storba3860 The way that scripture is worded is saying to be absent "from" the body, not to be "in" a resurrected body. And it sounds immediate, not like something far off at another time.
This man says he believes we are tripartite beings, but he only mentions us having a body and soul, so why doesn't he talk about our spirit, which would then make us this tripartite being he speaks of.
What you quoted is from the Old Testament and is talking about the time before Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection. If we can be face to face with the Lord immediately, then the dead must know something now in these times, at least those who are in Christ.
And what about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man? The Bosom of Abraham? The OT faithful were with Abraham, but the unfaithful were in torment. Both groups knew that.
@@doriesse824 Jesus refers to the dead as "sleeping" multiple times in the New Testament.
@@doriesse824 No they didn't. Daniel 12:2 illustrates just the opposite. You can't awaken to everlasting shame and contempt if you're already in everlasting shame and contempt when you die.
I agree, they are the dead-dead, not the living-dead.
"I'm dead, I'm dead.
Bela Lugosi's dead."
(Bauhaus, 1982)
@@jasonegeland1446 'Undead'.
What about just simply dead?
@@williamoarlock8634 Yep, you're on the right track. It's referring to a vampire (Bela Lugosi), so yeah, the undead. It's a song from the band, Bauhaus.
@@jasonegeland1446 I know troll.
So when the unbelievers will be reformed? Like purging of sin from them.
Excellent. I believe there are three resurrections, the final one being the group that is raised from the second death. The first resurrection is limited, as stated in Rev. 20:4-6. Then, the “hour” comes when all who are in the tomb are raised to either life or to judgment with the latter being thrown into the second death Rev. 20-12-15. This matches perfectly with the three harvests and three major feast celebrations spoken about by Moses - barley, wheat and grapes. It also matches with Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:29-28. The first group or squadron is “the anointed first fruit”, the second are “His at His coming, and then comes the end - the end of what? The end of the squadrons - the last group - His former enemies - the grapes, which go to the wine press and put “under His feet.” Rev. Chapter 14 shows all three groups bigger than Dallas. It’s a fun subject to study and provides some pretty amazing insight.
Not sure about all of this brother. The Apostles were witnessing the first resurrection in their days as they were making disciples. Hence the language, "crucified with Christ and then raised to new life." This is spiritual life, a new creation. Those who believed never died just as Jesus promised. And the second resurrection occurred at the end of the old covenant age in AD 70 at the end of that generation. Those in Hades were given new spiritual bodies and those still alive on earth received their full consummated spiritual bodies as 1 Corinthians 15 states.
The generation of Jesus Christ didn't pass away until all of this took place.
@@Ajsirb24 Good thoughts and I understand your position. However, if you read the context about being raised, they were speaking about being raised from death under the curse of the old covenant of the law. Col. 2:12-13 and Eph. 2:5-7. Paul was not speaking about a physical resurrection, he was speaking about us no longer being dead in our trespasses, but being made alive with Christ who bore our sins on the cross. That thought is heavenly. Also, the word “raised” is a different word than word used for resurrection.
Resurrection concerns being raised as Jesus was raised to immortality with a new body. All of those Apostles died and they will be resurrected again. Blessings on you; we have much to celebrate. I would appreciate your prayers as I am writing a book on the subject. There is so much for us to learn!
@@Ajsirb24 I agree with you there. All of those things that Jesus was relaying to the religious leaders of that day did come to pass in 70 a.d. The elect were gathered to spread the good news, and the rest of the nation were taken away - removed as in the days of Noah. No one was resurrected as Jesus was resurrected.
@Jim Strahan Thank you for your response. Paul never signified physical resurrection when compared to that of Jesus. His physical resurrection was a sign of His greater resurrection, which was spiritual. Paul said Jesus was the first to rise from the dead (nekroi in Greek, which is the plural form). Jesus was the first spirit to rise up out of Hades. This spiritual resurrection is significant, and it is to this Paul pointed. The resurrection in AD 70 at the end of the old covenant age was a spiritual corporate resurrection of both the dead saints in Hades and the then living saints as a whole. The natural body (corporate in nature) was removed and replaced with the spiritual body (corporate as well). This body of believers is the church, the body of Christ (the "Israel of faith", the "new Jerusalem", aka "heavenly Jerusalem"). Also, the same Greek root word is used both Matthew 28:7 and 1 Corinthians 15:15.
As a universalist, you have to jump through hoops and play mind games in order to make dispensationalism seem logical. All prophecy has been fulfilled. Therefore, when we die physically, believers will not experience the second death. Unbelievers will however be purified by this "lake of fire" and then, as a holy new creation, be allowed into God's heavenly kingdom. The church is the new Jerusalem. Revelation is all symbolism and figurative language. Do not take any of it literally. That was not John's intention.
How do we know? ie, about John's intention.
@Matt R. Because at the outset, John lets his readers know that the revelation/appearing of Jesus was about to take place within their lifetimes, not our lifetimes 2000 years in the future. Obviously, not every single word in Revelation is symbolic and metaphorical. With that said, as modern readers we cannot automatically conclude what was said in this book as a reference to what is occurring today. In fact within the context of scripture, John makes allusions to almost every single book in the old testament except 2, Esther and the Song of Solomon. Using these contexts of scripture and imminent time statements, we can safely conclude that the book was directed towards an event that would mainly impact the people of Israel. The corporate body of old covenant Israel was completely destroyed in AD 70. What remained was the corporate body of new covenant Israel, i.e. the church. These Christians were the elected remnant of the bloodline of Israel with the Gentiles grafted into his tree, as Paul stated in Romans 9-11 (the symbolic 144,000 remnant of Revelation). It is all beautifully connected. Universal salvation and fulfilled eschatology are inseparable.
@@Ajsirb24 Jesus told His followers how to escape the destruction, and keep themselves alive and have direct descendants.
@@doriesse824 Exactly. But Jesus was not speaking of a destruction from heavenly salvation. He spoke of a destruction from the coming Roman armies that finally did destroy Israel during that generation in AD 70, just as He prophesied.
@@Ajsirb24 Yes
Xcuse me, but ow do you know what was his opinion? One can take it by words, one can not, but God can "use" the word anyway, not? Love remains ❤
After the resurrection of Christ the mystery the gospel, had been revealed to Paul, through the abundance of Revelation 2nd Corinthians 12:7, in 2nd Corinthians chapter 5 Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, he also said the same things in Philippians chapter 1, he wanted to depart and be with Christ, all this can be accomplished after the resurrection of Jesus.
Jesus said to the thief on the cross, “Today, you will be with Me in Paradise.” I do not believe that the thief was in Paradise that day asleep. His spirit/soul was awakened to newness of life when he took his final breath, and was with the Lord that very same day, in Paradise very much awake. This doesn’t mean he skipped judgment, it just means he wasn’t asleep and still asleep. God is not a god of the dead, but of the living.
Amen ... 'For all are alive unto Christ'
God is not a god of the dead!! Amen!!
There are some exceptions but multiple verses in the Bible refer to death as sleep and Hell being in the future since Daniel says those in the ground will awake and Jesus refers to the resurrection of life and resurrection of condemnation.
I used to believe the way you do now. But then it was pointed out to me what Jesus actually said, “I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise.” That first phrase was familiar to the Jews as an opening remark where the person was about to say something very important - I say to you today!
Jesus did not ascend to paradise until 3 days later. He was in the grave and could not be in paradise with the thief on the day he died.
And when he said that God is a God of the living, not the dead, he was speaking to Sadducees, who did not believe in a resurrection. If Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were alive in heaven when he said that, then, Jesus would not have been the firstborn of the dead. The scriptures are clear that “he alone hath immortality. Jesus was referring to those 3 boys pointing out that God keeps his promises just like he did for them.
I hope you find this helpful. It’s a fascinating subject. Even if we may disagree, we can at least agree that he will give us life again, and that is a wonderful wonderful promise.
@@jimstrahan3271 Well it also says Elisha and Moses went straight to Heaven so there are exceptions to the rule.
The millennium is in heaven, not on earth. The righteous dead have been resurrected and join the righteous living with Jesus in heaven, while all the wicked are asleep in the grave until the millennium is over and Jesus returns to earth with the righteous. That's the timeline and events as I understand it.
Wake up O'sleeper, rise from the dead and Christ will shine upon you. Eph 5:14
Present 🎁 thyself⚛️ as a living sacrifice, that YaHU'aH 🔯 may possess you 💜 🦉
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Obey the 13 COM+MAN+🔺's Ecclesiastes 12 13 YeremiYahu 7 chapter. For he who obeys YaHU'aHs commands, inherit the key 🔯🧬🔺⚛️🔯 of immortality 🔯💜
See elder John Macarthur Hope for the remnant video
2:03 soul - sown Eloheim aka SowEL.
Please study preterism.
Preterism is false
You have to be blind to the move of the antichrist spirit today in these last days to believe that. Pls don't believe that.
Amen sister!