The implication that the CIA or other Government Agency created self-incriminating files is absurd, even more absurd would be the notion they're afraid to shred those documents if they did have them.
I don't understand why the audio is even considered as evidence. I could have one shooter firing in a predetermined sequence of shots and yet have suppressed rifles firing from various locations from a number of shooters and people would still be trying to base the number of shots on what they heard. How about we take the known strikes and derive a number that way? The first shot fired was a miss. It hit the Houston street traffic light casing sending the round into the pavement and caused a spark to be visible when it hit. Witnesses state they heard what they thought was a church bell sound. The hole is visible in the stop light casing in the secret service re-enactment video of 1964. We know one round hit JFK in the back @ the 3rd thoracic vertebra and it did not penetrate into the thoracic cavity. One round struck JFK in the throat and exited above and to the right of the back entry wound. We have one round striking Connolly in the back near his right arm pit with a keyhole entry wound due to the round tumbling and it exited below his right nipple, striking the back of the Kellerman's seat and ended up in the floorboard. I would suggest that is ce399 from its appearance. Another round struck Connolly in the right wrist and lodged in his left thigh. We also know from the Dr. Shaw's press conference that the bullet found on the cot at Parkland was not the bullet from Connolly's left thigh. It was still in the thigh and Shaw states that it had to be removed after JC was stabilized from the lung repair. One round struck the manhole cover on the southeast side of elm. FBI agent Barrett picks up this round and puts it into his pocket and then plays stupid for 50 years. Another round struck the chrome piece just above the rear view mirror. Another round struck the curb and hit Tague. At least one round struck JFK in the forehead between his right eye and right temple near the hairline. That is a total of 9 separate rounds...... The single bullet theory by Arlen Specter is just a pea and shell game played on a bunch of idiots who believe that it was even possible when the picture of him holding the trajectory rod says it all. FBI agents Seibert and O'Neill's notes confirm the JFK back wound did not penetrate the pleural space therefore there cannot be a single bullet theory. All of these "experts" and their ideas! Lmao... Most of these experts have never even fired a rifle much less have any damn common sense. That's why we are still here and of course, the government cover up!
a) There is no audio recording of the assassination. b) Most credible witnesses heard 3 shots. c) Witnesses reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate 3 shots over 8-9 seconds with several seconds between each. d) Connally was seated lower, inboard and turned sharply to his right. e) Victims' wounds all line upon a demonstrable trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window. f) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them, and the only way it could do that is by hitting Kennedy in the back and exiting at his throat. g) Hilariously you failed to notice Dr. Shaw only said the bullet had to be removed from Connally's leg, not that it already had been removed. In fact, they found no bullet in the leg because it had already fallen out of the shallow wound, something you would have learned if you could have been bothered to do a bit of basic research before calling conspiracy. i) No doubt you will explain how anybody planting a bogus bullet at the hospital within one hour of the shooting could possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole "plot." j) No, sir, no agent "picked up a bullet." What we have is a photo of a guy brushing his fingers on the ground near some ill-defined object that looks vaguely bullet-shaped. In fact officers and witnesses present said there was nothing found there, starting with Deputy Walthers, seen standing right there in the photos and who explicitly stated they found nothing during his WC testimony. k) Let me get this straight: somebody desperate to frame this on a lone shooter from a window behind the limo stood in front of the car and shot Kennedy in the face with a different gun....
@@aaronz7056 Lmao...You're quite the genius creating straw man arguments with yourself !!!!! You really need to quit reading case closed and use your brain for a change because Posner's tired arguments are like yours, you seem to have an answer for everything except common sense. For example, CE399 had very minute amount of copper and lead missing from it. Matter of fact, when weighed and compared to an unfired bullet from the same lot#, there were only a few grams difference. So if you account for any matter in governor Connolly's left leg much less all that was still in his right wrist, it would certainly be quite a bit more than what was missing from 399. One look at the governor's wrist X-ray and you can certainly tell those fragments did not come from 399. The audio I was referring to was the dicta belt recording! It was referred to as audio evidence of the assassination from an open mic of a motorcycle police officer HB McClain ..why do you not know this simple fact of the case. I basically stated I didn't think it was much evidence....
Your analysis is good except the exit wound from the throat has never been identified and isn’t visible in autopsy photos or seen by any witnesses. Also the front shot location and sequence is off in your rendering.
@@EddieOrfield-y1i In autopsy photo of the back, there are 2 wounds shown. One is round and has a welp ring around it, indicating it is an entrance wound. The 2nd wound is higher and to the right of it and is asymmetrical and jagged. That would be your throat exit. Please explain to me why you think my front shot rendering is off. Thanks!
Our CSI took the JFK shooting apart to see the twist how the revisioning of evidence came to be with Os from Oz and A.z. Why the magical trajectories leads to Oz and JFK meeting Judy Garland .
So u want to tells us how all the wounds on GC were caused and where those bullets came from and where they ended up? I mean, that's a lot of magic disappearing bullets for all those SEVEN wounds.
expert? 1. not one mention of the bullet that went through Jacks throat. entry from the front. 2. failed to mention the single shot/magic bullet is not the pristine bullet. pristine bullet was found on a stretcher while the actual bullet that hit connelly was pulled out of his hip 4 hours later by the doctors at Parkand. 3. Jacks brain is not missing. It was buried with his remains in Arlington after the fact in a separate stainless steel box. there is a photo of this burial. if you want to listen to a jfk assassination suggest googling Robert Groden. He knows it all and he is the sole reason our govt re-opened the investigation.
If you could have been bothered to do some basic research before calling foul you would have learned the doctors never found any bullet in Connally's thigh because it had already fallen out of that shallow wound, now no doubt you will explain how the hell anybody planting a bullet at the hospital within one hour of the shooting could possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole plot. View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them, and the only way it could do that is by hitting Kennedy from behind and exiting at his throat. The victims' wounds all line up on a demonstrable trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window.
Robert Groden "knows it all..." Here is Robert Groden's actual record: a) screens Zapruder's film at videotapes lectures with a phony soundtrack full of gunshots slapped over it he never once tells the audience he's treating like gullible suckers is a fake b) has spent years giving his middle finger and one great big "F-word you!" to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as he opines away without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories" like a despicable scumbag c) volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial as a photo expert (to prove poor O.J. was framed by a conspiracy, of course) and ended up completely discredited and sitting on the stand looking like a freakin' FOOL d) packs his books with lies e) rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda f) concedes the 3 tramps were ID'd and cleared, then later refers to the "so-called tramps!" g) conducts bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers...
@dansullivan448 1) The forensic exams conducted by three independent investigations revealed no shots came from the front, only from behind. 2) There was never any "actual bullet" pulled out of Connally's hip. He had only small fragments left in his wrist. The stretcher bullet's bottom end was badly smashed into an ovoid shape, with lead extruding from the base, like toothpaste squeezed from a tube. It was not "pristine." The elemental composition and concentration of trace elements in the three fragments removed from Connally's wrist were positively matched to the bullet found on the stretcher at the Parkland ER. It was the same bullet. 3) At last you speak a smidgen of truth.
4 shooters. 7 total shots fired. Sounds like you didnt know the warren commission final version was not a majority opinion. Believe what you want but most sane folks understand Oswald didnt even fire a weapon that day and Zapruder never stopped filming by his own testimony so feel free to explain why the entire footage of the limo turning is missing. Those missed shots and the limo coming to a complete stop couldnt be made public. Heck they had the Z film for 2 months before handing it to Warren. Most folks who really studied this material know how Kodac and the CIA had its lab in CA.@@stddisclaimer8020
Open challenge to Morley... Explain away the following single bullet theory facts: a) As the victims come into view from behind the sign in Zapruder's film and Kennedy is clearly hit, within 1-2 frames Connally's lapel pops out, his hat flips up, his shoulder is driven down and his expression violently contorts between frames from a blow, clearly demonstrating they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind. b) Connally was seated lower, inboard and turned sharply to his right, the victims' wounds all lining up on a perfect trajectory. c) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been completely blocked by Kennedy's body, the bullet HAS to have gone through both of them. d) Multiple and mathematically precise computer recreations over the years by various investigators have consistently and clearly demonstrated not only that the wounds line up on a perfect trajectory but also track straight back to the sixth floor window. e) Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. f) The bullet recovered from the stretcher is in a condition EXACTLY consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate: badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side. g) That bullet was matched to Oswald's rifle. h) Nobody planting a bogus bullet at the hospital would know where to place it where it would be plausibly tied specifically to Connally. i) Anybody waltzing into the emergency ward with Secret Service and police all over the place would be taking a huge chance of getting caught. j) Nobody planting a bogus bullet at the hospital within one hour of the assassination could possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole plot.
My Father, (deceased now) was a Class One and prosecuting Attorney. He, more than once explained to me and others in semi-social family gatherings, that as a lawyer, with a FAIR Judge, before the trial would begin, that "evidence" with a (lacking) (tainted) "chain of custody" would NEVER be allowed to be used as evidence... especially to be shown to a jury... meaning, the Zapruder film would be thrown out as (edited and phony) trash.... It took 13 years to pass by before the public was "allowed" to see what was a "copy" of the "filmed" event... As I understand it, the Z film was purchased from Zapruder by "Time Life"-- a sophisticated news media source-- these were copies-- which also passed through government sources like the FBI... So, in my mind, this is like saying that a movie, say, for example, "CLEOPATRA", tells exactly what happened in ancient Egypt back in the year 0001....(taken to be true because it is or was produced by the FBI and Time-Life magazine) But, I will admit to you, aaronz, that is a most impressive list of statements and interpretations-- all supported, (in your view) by computer re-creations and "expert", "scientific", opinions... or should we say, anti-conspiracist theories?? In my mind, I can trace that bullet back from Conolly's leg, up through his wrist, into his chest and coming out his back, then entering JFK's throat, then coming out of his back... lining up and tracing back exactly to a 6th floor window and into an Itialian made, Argentine rifle with a loose and flopping scope, which did not have a proper loading clip in it...which was found amidst a stack of boxes about 100 feet from the window... all brought in as a bag of "curtain" rods... which had been stashed under a blanket at a (possibly) CIA connected lady's garage... (she said)... which "belonged", (they claim) to you know who)...and, We all know this is true because a group known as the Warren Commission and the FBI testing company says it is so... (they would not lie, right?) Dang, aaronz, let's partner up and make a movie about all this...!!! We could make millions and millions of dollars...!!!
@@robertprestonsr2453 a) Open challenge to you: call a press conference TOMORROW and present your ironclad evidence Mrs. Paine is CIA, and, presumably, part of some plot, and don't forget to openly challenge her not to sue your ass for crackpot libel. b) Hilarious watching you patronizingly clearly implying every last person who investigated this case is probably lying, even as you REFUSE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS I POSED YOURSELF. lol Instead you just go off on meaningless little tangents about the movie Cleopatra and condescendingly saying we should make a movie, apparently hoping I'm so stupid I won't notice you clearly can't explain those questions away. c) Film was in custody, processed, copied, distributed and viewed by investigators and media representatives far too quickly to have been screwed with, and your assertion it would have been "thrown out of court as invalid evidence" is beyond ludicrous. What the hell, exactly, was Plan B if other films or evidence turn up that flatly contradict an altered Zapruder film and just end up confirming a conspiracy exists? Just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away would have suited any "conspiracy" just fine.
@@aaronz7056 No Aaron... I never drink alcohol... I consider that to be poison and probably the worst killer drug in the world... Anyway, said a bit more plainly, I am contending that the Zap film is not legitimate "evidence"... and to go further, I do not think that in this case, any evidence provided by the FBI, the CIA, or films like the Zap, or audio tapes lifted from the Dallas Police is FAIR and IMPARTIAL... as in, perhaps, the perpetrators of the crime do not conduct themselves fairly, but rather to provide false impressions and point a finger at certain parties... So, therefore, at least in my view, to use interpretations of what the so-called evidence reveals... is, frankly, b.s. and inadmissible... That's all......
Your comment implies that any theory that is alternate to the single bullet theory is based on the absence of Oswald's involvement (i.e., Oswald is wholly innocent), or that the victims were not hit by one or more bullets fired by the Oswald rifle. Most who have alternate theories and conclude there were more then three shots or that another shooter was involved do not necessarily believe that Oswald was not involved in some way or that his gun wasn't fired at the victims on that day. The single bullet theory and the theory that Oswald acted alone, which are separate theories, we should note, are also theories. Critical examination of them is appropriate.
@@johnnowlan9963 In that case you will of course presumably now explain how the people framing Oswald for Tippit's murder could possibly have known: - Oswald would immediately flee the TSBD - Oswald would successfully escape Dealey Plaza - Oswald would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff - Oswald would take evasive action to sneak back to his rooming house - Oswald owned a revolver at all - the revolver was at the rooming house - Oswald would obtain the revolver - Oswald would retain the revolver - Oswald would decide at the last minute to put a jacket on - Oswald would discard the jacket in the streets before his arrest - an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton - a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene - the imposter, as he murders the cop, can be certain Oswald is still at liberty - the imposter can be certain Oswald doesn't have an ironclad alibi - the imposter can be certain Oswald has come to that general neighbourhood - there is any point in attacking a cop on a public street since Oswald is already being sought anyway - there is an logic in attacking a cop since if anything goes wrong here they will just end up confirming a conspiracy exists - the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot - no other cop will capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot - nobody will ever see the imposter again - Oswald will be plainly seen trying to hide in the storefront from passing police - the shoe store clerk will be suspicious enough of Oswald to follow him down the street - Oswald will be plainly seen ducking into the theater to dodge more passing police - Oswald will be caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop - Oswald will fight so violently 3 officers will be injured just disarming him - Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing - they can safely rely on exactly the right ballistics experts and every cop in Oak Cliff to obey illegal orders to falsify evidence and perjury himself - the Dallas PD is guaranteed to be fully on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children.... Really looking forward to you clearing all of this up, thanks in advance.
@@aaronz7056 a cop took Oswald to the movie house a cop planted a wallet with Oswald id put out Oswald had us wallet in is pocket then he was arrested 👍
@@johnnowlan9963 Oh, B.S. buddy, Oswald was plainly seen trying to hide in the storefront, the clerk followed him down the street and watched him duck into the theater, nobody ever said anything about seeing Oswald dropped off at the theater in a chauffer driven squad car, etc., kindly don't insult my intelligence. Oswald was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Officer Tippit and fleeing, the shells were matched to his gun, and you sit there lecturing me some cop "planted" a wallet at the scene just to frame him. What officer, pray tell, had any idea another officer was going to be gunned down on that exact street and at that exact time anyway? What the hell is the point of attacking a policeman on a public street since Oswald is already being sought anyway and if anything goes wrong here, such as Tippit simply outdrawing and capturing his attacker, they will just end up confirming a conspiracy exists. As if the possibility Oswald was carrying two wallets (many people do anyhow) somehow exonerates him...
There's nothing "unscientific" about the audio. It was studied by a company that is both highly regarded and highly scientific. They proved beyond any doubt that there were only 3 shots on the audio. The so-called 4th shot happened a full minute later in a different location. He either knows this and is lying, or doesn't know this and is clueless of the studies done. Either way, WTF?
No it really wasn’t and he nailed the Kent state one why is he wrong about this one? Because the government tells you he is and Blakey who was there for the test said he was right but that 2 lone nuts showed up at the same time well 3 if you count Ruby
@@liljimlambert7 I literally can't believe I have to say this again in the year 2024: the dictabelt recording was soundly debunked more than 40 years ago and anybody can easily look this up.
Morley is not an assassination expert, he's a Conspiracy Cultist but I'll give him a little credit for not lying about the discredited acoustic evidence and admitting it's problematic.
It's very convenient and easy to make the assumption that the simple scratch on Tague's face was caused by a completely separate bullet. Sorry, the word I meant to use was "dishonest". It could have been, and probably was, caused by the pavement ricochet from the first shot which missed the limo completely. It is in no way proof of a fourth bullet. Dr. Bill, do you do ever do any independent research before your interviews or do you always just give a free platform to and lap up everything that is presented by your guest with with your, "Oh gee willikers... that's 'incredible' and sooooo true!" attitude?? Do your homework.
Get someone on your show to argue the other side.. There’s plenty of us out here who know the case way better than this guy, and can explain the evidence, and deconstruct theories like these.. And I mean, I can deconstruct ALL OF THEM, in seconds.. I’ll say it again, the guy killed a cop, without question!.. Stop defending a cop killer!..
More dishonestly, or just plain incompetence: It was proven that the dicatbelt recording that the House Committee used as proof of extra gunshots, was recorded 90 seconds after the assassination. But Mr. Morely has, as he likes to say himself, " just decided".
The implication that the CIA or other Government Agency created self-incriminating files is absurd, even more absurd would be the notion they're afraid to shred those documents if they did have them.
Morley is the best.. Great interview!
I don't understand why the audio is even considered as evidence. I could have one shooter firing in a predetermined sequence of shots and yet have suppressed rifles firing from various locations from a number of shooters and people would still be trying to base the number of shots on what they heard. How about we take the known strikes and derive a number that way?
The first shot fired was a miss. It hit the Houston street traffic light casing sending the round into the pavement and caused a spark to be visible when it hit. Witnesses state they heard what they thought was a church bell sound. The hole is visible in the stop light casing in the secret service re-enactment video of 1964.
We know one round hit JFK in the back @ the 3rd thoracic vertebra and it did not penetrate into the thoracic cavity. One round struck JFK in the throat and exited above and to the right of the back entry wound. We have one round striking Connolly in the back near his right arm pit with a keyhole entry wound due to the round tumbling and it exited below his right nipple, striking the back of the Kellerman's seat and ended up in the floorboard. I would suggest that is ce399 from its appearance. Another round struck Connolly in the right wrist and lodged in his left thigh. We also know from the Dr. Shaw's press conference that the bullet found on the cot at Parkland was not the bullet from Connolly's left thigh. It was still in the thigh and Shaw states that it had to be removed after JC was stabilized from the lung repair. One round struck the manhole cover on the southeast side of elm. FBI agent Barrett picks up this round and puts it into his pocket and then plays stupid for 50 years. Another round struck the chrome piece just above the rear view mirror. Another round struck the curb and hit Tague. At least one round struck JFK in the forehead between his right eye and right temple near the hairline.
That is a total of 9 separate rounds......
The single bullet theory by Arlen Specter is just a pea and shell game played on a bunch of idiots who believe that it was even possible when the picture of him holding the trajectory rod says it all. FBI agents Seibert and O'Neill's notes confirm the JFK back wound did not penetrate the pleural space therefore there cannot be a single bullet theory.
All of these "experts" and their ideas! Lmao... Most of these experts have never even fired a rifle much less have any damn common sense. That's why we are still here and of course, the government cover up!
What about the silent shots
a) There is no audio recording of the assassination.
b) Most credible witnesses heard 3 shots.
c) Witnesses reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate 3 shots over 8-9 seconds with several seconds between each.
d) Connally was seated lower, inboard and turned sharply to his right.
e) Victims' wounds all line upon a demonstrable trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window.
f) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them, and the only way it could do that is by hitting Kennedy in the back and exiting at his throat.
g) Hilariously you failed to notice Dr. Shaw only said the bullet had to be removed from Connally's leg, not that it already had been removed. In fact, they found no bullet in the leg because it had already fallen out of the shallow wound, something you would have learned if you could have been bothered to do a bit of basic research before calling conspiracy.
i) No doubt you will explain how anybody planting a bogus bullet at the hospital within one hour of the shooting could possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole "plot."
j) No, sir, no agent "picked up a bullet." What we have is a photo of a guy brushing his fingers on the ground near some ill-defined object that looks vaguely bullet-shaped. In fact officers and witnesses present said there was nothing found there, starting with Deputy Walthers, seen standing right there in the photos and who explicitly stated they found nothing during his WC testimony.
k) Let me get this straight: somebody desperate to frame this on a lone shooter from a window behind the limo stood in front of the car and shot Kennedy in the face with a different gun....
@@aaronz7056 Lmao...You're quite the genius creating straw man arguments with yourself !!!!! You really need to quit reading case closed and use your brain for a change because Posner's tired arguments are like yours, you seem to have an answer for everything except common sense. For example, CE399 had very minute amount of copper and lead missing from it. Matter of fact, when weighed and compared to an unfired bullet from the same lot#, there were only a few grams difference. So if you account for any matter in governor Connolly's left leg much less all that was still in his right wrist, it would certainly be quite a bit more than what was missing from 399. One look at the governor's wrist X-ray and you can certainly tell those fragments did not come from 399.
The audio I was referring to was the dicta belt recording! It was referred to as audio evidence of the assassination from an open mic of a motorcycle police officer HB McClain ..why do you not know this simple fact of the case.
I basically stated I didn't think it was much evidence....
Your analysis is good except the exit wound from the throat has never been identified and isn’t visible in autopsy photos or seen by any witnesses. Also the front shot location and sequence is off in your rendering.
@@EddieOrfield-y1i In autopsy photo of the back, there are 2 wounds shown. One is round and has a welp ring around it, indicating it is an entrance wound. The 2nd wound is higher and to the right of it and is asymmetrical and jagged. That would be your throat exit. Please explain to me why you think my front shot rendering is off. Thanks!
...If a microphone is open, it does not transmit. The microphone needs to be closed for the transmitter to work....
"Babushka lady" - there's a Polaroid camera photo of the JFK shooting, on UA-cam.
Our CSI took the JFK shooting apart to see the twist how the revisioning of evidence came to be with Os from Oz and A.z.
Why the magical trajectories leads to Oz and JFK meeting Judy Garland .
So u want to tells us how all the wounds on GC were caused and where those bullets came from and where they ended up? I mean, that's a lot of magic disappearing bullets for all those SEVEN wounds.
Babushka lady was identified as being Mrs Zapruder.
expert?
1. not one mention of the bullet that went through Jacks throat. entry from the front.
2. failed to mention the single shot/magic bullet is not the pristine bullet. pristine bullet was found on a stretcher while the actual bullet that hit connelly was pulled out of his hip 4 hours later by the doctors at Parkand.
3. Jacks brain is not missing. It was buried with his remains in Arlington after the fact in a separate stainless steel box. there is a photo of this burial.
if you want to listen to a jfk assassination suggest googling Robert Groden. He knows it all and he is the sole reason our govt re-opened the investigation.
Stupid and wrong😂
If you could have been bothered to do some basic research before calling foul you would have learned the doctors never found any bullet in Connally's thigh because it had already fallen out of that shallow wound, now no doubt you will explain how the hell anybody planting a bullet at the hospital within one hour of the shooting could possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole plot.
View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them, and the only way it could do that is by hitting Kennedy from behind and exiting at his throat. The victims' wounds all line up on a demonstrable trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window.
Robert Groden "knows it all..." Here is Robert Groden's actual record:
a) screens Zapruder's film at videotapes lectures with a phony soundtrack full of gunshots slapped over it he never once tells the audience he's treating like gullible suckers is a fake
b) has spent years giving his middle finger and one great big "F-word you!" to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as he opines away without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories" like a despicable scumbag
c) volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial as a photo expert (to prove poor O.J. was framed by a conspiracy, of course) and ended up completely discredited and sitting on the stand looking like a freakin' FOOL
d) packs his books with lies
e) rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda
f) concedes the 3 tramps were ID'd and cleared, then later refers to the "so-called tramps!"
g) conducts bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers...
@dansullivan448 1) The forensic exams conducted by three independent investigations revealed no shots came from the front, only from behind. 2) There was never any "actual bullet" pulled out of Connally's hip. He had only small fragments left in his wrist. The stretcher bullet's bottom end was badly smashed into an ovoid shape, with lead extruding from the base, like toothpaste squeezed from a tube. It was not "pristine." The elemental composition and concentration of trace elements in the three fragments removed from Connally's wrist were positively matched to the bullet found on the stretcher at the Parkland ER. It was the same bullet. 3) At last you speak a smidgen of truth.
4 shooters. 7 total shots fired. Sounds like you didnt know the warren commission final version was not a majority opinion. Believe what you want but most sane folks understand Oswald didnt even fire a weapon that day and Zapruder never stopped filming by his own testimony so feel free to explain why the entire footage of the limo turning is missing. Those missed shots and the limo coming to a complete stop couldnt be made public. Heck they had the Z film for 2 months before handing it to Warren. Most folks who really studied this material know how Kodac and the CIA had its lab in CA.@@stddisclaimer8020
Oswald didn't shoot anyone that day
A mountain of credible evidence says otherwise.
@@aaronz7056 another CIA asset
@@aaronz7056 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Open challenge to Morley...
Explain away the following single bullet theory facts:
a) As the victims come into view from behind the sign in Zapruder's film and Kennedy is clearly hit, within 1-2 frames Connally's lapel pops out, his hat flips up, his shoulder is driven down and his expression violently contorts between frames from a blow, clearly demonstrating they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind.
b) Connally was seated lower, inboard and turned sharply to his right, the victims' wounds all lining up on a perfect trajectory.
c) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been completely blocked by Kennedy's body, the bullet HAS to have gone through both of them.
d) Multiple and mathematically precise computer recreations over the years by various investigators have consistently and clearly demonstrated not only that the wounds line up on a perfect trajectory but also track straight back to the sixth floor window.
e) Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
f) The bullet recovered from the stretcher is in a condition EXACTLY consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate: badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
g) That bullet was matched to Oswald's rifle.
h) Nobody planting a bogus bullet at the hospital would know where to place it where it would be plausibly tied specifically to Connally.
i) Anybody waltzing into the emergency ward with Secret Service and police all over the place would be taking a huge chance of getting caught.
j) Nobody planting a bogus bullet at the hospital within one hour of the assassination could possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole plot.
My Father, (deceased now) was a Class One and prosecuting Attorney. He, more than once explained to me and others in semi-social family gatherings, that as a lawyer, with a FAIR Judge, before the trial would begin, that "evidence" with a (lacking) (tainted) "chain of custody" would NEVER be allowed to be used as evidence... especially to be shown to a jury... meaning, the Zapruder film would be thrown out as (edited and phony) trash....
It took 13 years to pass by before the public was "allowed" to see what was a "copy" of the "filmed" event... As I understand it, the Z film was purchased from Zapruder by "Time Life"-- a sophisticated news media source-- these were copies-- which also passed through government sources like the FBI... So, in my mind, this is like saying that a movie, say, for example, "CLEOPATRA", tells exactly what happened in ancient Egypt back in the year 0001....(taken to be true because it is or was produced by the FBI and Time-Life magazine)
But, I will admit to you, aaronz, that is a most impressive list of statements and interpretations-- all supported, (in your view) by computer re-creations and "expert", "scientific", opinions... or should we say, anti-conspiracist theories??
In my mind, I can trace that bullet back from Conolly's leg, up through his wrist, into his chest and coming out his back, then entering JFK's throat, then coming out of his back... lining up and tracing back exactly to a 6th floor window and into an Itialian made, Argentine rifle with a loose and flopping scope, which did not have a proper loading clip in it...which was found amidst a stack of boxes about 100 feet from the window... all brought in as a bag of "curtain" rods... which had been stashed under a blanket at a (possibly) CIA connected lady's garage... (she said)... which "belonged", (they claim) to you know who)...and,
We all know this is true because a group known as the Warren Commission and the FBI testing company says it is so... (they would not lie, right?)
Dang, aaronz, let's partner up and make a movie about all this...!!! We could make millions and millions of dollars...!!!
@@robertprestonsr2453 Are you drunk or something?
@@robertprestonsr2453 a) Open challenge to you: call a press conference TOMORROW and present your ironclad evidence Mrs. Paine is CIA, and, presumably, part of some plot, and don't forget to openly challenge her not to sue your ass for crackpot libel.
b) Hilarious watching you patronizingly clearly implying every last person who investigated this case is probably lying, even as you REFUSE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS I POSED YOURSELF. lol
Instead you just go off on meaningless little tangents about the movie Cleopatra and condescendingly saying we should make a movie, apparently hoping I'm so stupid I won't notice you clearly can't explain those questions away.
c) Film was in custody, processed, copied, distributed and viewed by investigators and media representatives far too quickly to have been screwed with, and your assertion it would have been "thrown out of court as invalid evidence" is beyond ludicrous.
What the hell, exactly, was Plan B if other films or evidence turn up that flatly contradict an altered Zapruder film and just end up confirming a conspiracy exists? Just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away would have suited any "conspiracy" just fine.
@@aaronz7056 No Aaron... I never drink alcohol... I consider that to be poison and probably the worst killer drug in the world...
Anyway, said a bit more plainly, I am contending that the Zap film is not legitimate "evidence"... and to go further, I do not think that in this case, any evidence provided by the FBI, the CIA, or films like the Zap, or audio tapes lifted from the Dallas Police is FAIR and IMPARTIAL... as in, perhaps, the perpetrators of the crime do not conduct themselves fairly, but rather to provide false impressions and point a finger at certain parties...
So, therefore, at least in my view, to use interpretations of what the so-called evidence reveals... is, frankly, b.s. and inadmissible...
That's all......
Your comment implies that any theory that is alternate to the single bullet theory is based on the absence of Oswald's involvement (i.e., Oswald is wholly innocent), or that the victims were not hit by one or more bullets fired by the Oswald rifle. Most who have alternate theories and conclude there were more then three shots or that another shooter was involved do not necessarily believe that Oswald was not involved in some way or that his gun wasn't fired at the victims on that day.
The single bullet theory and the theory that Oswald acted alone, which are separate theories, we should note, are also theories. Critical examination of them is appropriate.
Ruby was Low level Mafia, and he wouldn't ask a Woman to Marry him, for he was Gay.
He and his boyfriend Larry killed tippit 🤘
@@johnnowlan9963 In that case you will of course presumably now explain how the people framing Oswald for Tippit's murder could possibly have known:
- Oswald would immediately flee the TSBD
- Oswald would successfully escape Dealey Plaza
- Oswald would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff
- Oswald would take evasive action to sneak back to his rooming house
- Oswald owned a revolver at all
- the revolver was at the rooming house
- Oswald would obtain the revolver
- Oswald would retain the revolver
- Oswald would decide at the last minute to put a jacket on
- Oswald would discard the jacket in the streets before his arrest
- an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene
- the imposter, as he murders the cop, can be certain Oswald is still at liberty
- the imposter can be certain Oswald doesn't have an ironclad alibi
- the imposter can be certain Oswald has come to that general neighbourhood
- there is any point in attacking a cop on a public street since Oswald is already being sought anyway
- there is an logic in attacking a cop since if anything goes wrong here they will just end up confirming a conspiracy exists
- the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot
- no other cop will capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot
- nobody will ever see the imposter again
- Oswald will be plainly seen trying to hide in the storefront from passing police
- the shoe store clerk will be suspicious enough of Oswald to follow him down the street
- Oswald will be plainly seen ducking into the theater to dodge more passing police
- Oswald will be caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop
- Oswald will fight so violently 3 officers will be injured just disarming him
- Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing
- they can safely rely on exactly the right ballistics experts and every cop in Oak Cliff to obey illegal orders to falsify evidence and perjury himself
- the Dallas PD is guaranteed to be fully on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children....
Really looking forward to you clearing all of this up, thanks in advance.
@@aaronz7056 a cop took Oswald to the movie house a cop planted a wallet with Oswald id put out Oswald had us wallet in is pocket then he was arrested 👍
@@johnnowlan9963 Oh, B.S. buddy, Oswald was plainly seen trying to hide in the storefront, the clerk followed him down the street and watched him duck into the theater, nobody ever said anything about seeing Oswald dropped off at the theater in a chauffer driven squad car, etc., kindly don't insult my intelligence. Oswald was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Officer Tippit and fleeing, the shells were matched to his gun, and you sit there lecturing me some cop "planted" a wallet at the scene just to frame him. What officer, pray tell, had any idea another officer was going to be gunned down on that exact street and at that exact time anyway? What the hell is the point of attacking a policeman on a public street since Oswald is already being sought anyway and if anything goes wrong here, such as Tippit simply outdrawing and capturing his attacker, they will just end up confirming a conspiracy exists. As if the possibility Oswald was carrying two wallets (many people do anyhow) somehow exonerates him...
Too bad the " professor " isn't a little more eloquent. Pretty tough listening to his voice.
There's nothing "unscientific" about the audio. It was studied by a company that is both highly regarded and highly scientific. They proved beyond any doubt that there were only 3 shots on the audio. The so-called 4th shot happened a full minute later in a different location. He either knows this and is lying, or doesn't know this and is clueless of the studies done. Either way, WTF?
Dictabelt recording was debunked more than 40 years ago, there is no audio recording of the assassination.
The proof is there but Morley's not hip to it at all
Wrong on 911
For the love of God, the dictabelt recording was solidly debunked more than 40 years ago and this guy DOESN'T KNOW THAT????
No it really wasn’t and he nailed the Kent state one why is he wrong about this one? Because the government tells you he is and Blakey who was there for the test said he was right but that 2 lone nuts showed up at the same time well 3 if you count Ruby
@@liljimlambert7 I literally can't believe I have to say this again in the year 2024: the dictabelt recording was soundly debunked more than 40 years ago and anybody can easily look this up.
No, it was debunked in the 90’s. Morley did not support it. He defers to the video only. He knows more than anyone about the case.
@@liljimlambert7 Ah, no, buddy, it was debunked, anybody can easily look this up, which is more than our guest speaker clearly bothered doing.
Debunked is a subjective term. You believe it was debunked. Others do not.
CIA
Nonsense
Morley is not an assassination expert, he's a Conspiracy Cultist but I'll give him a little credit for not lying about the discredited acoustic evidence and admitting it's problematic.
It's very convenient and easy to make the assumption that the simple scratch on Tague's face was caused by a completely separate bullet. Sorry, the word I meant to use was "dishonest". It could have been, and probably was, caused by the pavement ricochet from the first shot which missed the limo completely. It is in no way proof of a fourth bullet. Dr. Bill, do you do ever do any independent research before your interviews or do you always just give a free platform to and lap up everything that is presented by your guest with with your, "Oh gee willikers... that's 'incredible' and sooooo true!" attitude?? Do your homework.
Get someone on your show to argue the other side.. There’s plenty of us out here who know the case way better than this guy, and can explain the evidence, and deconstruct theories like these..
And I mean, I can deconstruct ALL OF THEM, in seconds..
I’ll say it again, the guy killed a cop, without question!.. Stop defending a cop killer!..
More dishonestly, or just plain incompetence: It was proven that the dicatbelt recording that the House Committee used as proof of extra gunshots, was recorded 90 seconds after the assassination. But Mr. Morely has, as he likes to say himself, " just decided".
Cherry picking author of jfkfacks website.