I'm just getting into downhill running. I love how technical the terrain can be, it puts me in the flow state. Thanks for the video, you guys are fast!
This got me loads better at technical downhills. Only one technical downhill on my long run, but I fly down it while everyone else is being super cautious.
Thanks for posting this, Sage. Technical downhill running is definitely the biggest limiting factor with my trail running and something I need to continuously work on. For me, I think one thing I need to consider is switching to a different shoe. I currently wear Montrail Mountain Massochists. They are great on flatter, non-technical terrain, but I don't have the confidence in them on the downhills that they will give me the grip and stability I need.
Thanks for the feedback. Definitely supports the idea that it's a mental hangup. I'd love to get to the point where I can run Green and other mountains regardless of what I'm wearing on my feet!
I just got injured at the same spot again - ankle. Running downhill and uphill too I always step on obstacles like roots and stuff and I thought it's good spots to jump from even tho I've seen people avoiding obstacles in races before. Anyway I did not follow this and again I got injured from doing the same stupid thing - jumping on roots, rocks etc. Thanks for video, maybe I will finally remember.
I do trail running mainly to run downhill... After few minutes camp of vision becomes narrow and i feel like time slows down... I consider flat or uphill parts as the price to pay to have fun smashing my legs downhill 😂
I've been running with a 45 pounder. I'm slower, and I run alot more carefully but so far so good. If I'm 200 pounds with the vest that makes me 245. Harder but still able to make some distance when I put my mind to it.
Jeremy Recinos but why? What's the benefit of running with the vest? I think it's only useful for crossfit, cause there you have to be able to run with weights, but otherwise I don't see why you would do it. You typically get more benefits if you spend a few days a month on a track and run some fast intervals there.
Mental toughness. I'm not an expert by any means, but it's a fun challenge to see how long you can go. Soldiers and cops wear body armour and equipment, so I decided to give it a try.
Jeremy Recinos aaa ok, makes sense. But be careful not to put too much stress on your knees and lower back. I once saw paratroopers training. It was blistering heat, and they had about 90 pounds of equipment on them (backpacks larger than them). That didn't look like fun, haha.
Have guys tried jumping and not running? I use to jump down a mountain covering 10 to 15 ft per bound. Look at how animals. The legs must be able to absorb the load. I was doing this at age 52. It's much faster and natural than trying to run.
Great video! The trails in my area are mostly like this, with water and snow added :) Sage - any tips on this type of running affecting IT-band issues ?
So, I have the speed instinct 2 trail shoes and I can feel every bit of rocks on the bottom. The souls are too spongy for my trail runs. I actually prefer the clifton 5 on trails bc I dont feel the impact on landing on pointy or jagged rocks.
I've found that about 80% time when I bite the dust that it comes on a sharp turn. I usually step on loose rock and I slide. Besides slowing down on turns, do you have any techniques/tips for taking on downhill turns?
Well I've never used one. I see it as a bit of an injury risk because of increased impact force. Also we want to develop specific running economy (efficiency) and get the body used to it's own weight (it can change your running form and street you unevenly that is). That being said, it may have a place in my uphill powerhiking UTMB training...I think hiking with a vest on (uphill) may be much safer and could be a benefit of resistance training in that regard.
Jeremy Recinos as long as you fit it correctly and just a little movement is OK. At first it is heavy but when you strap it in, the weight will be evenly distributed.
I still find it extremely awkward seeing someone running with a gopro . I run these trails all the time and the lessons learned is that Follow your natural body instincts. Know your limits and weaknesses. Don't stare at your phone or go pro while running bcos you'll end face plant guarantee. Last just have fun and enjoy the experience 😊
Abdullah Mohamed its a regular 5k race, I didn't do it last year but I did track, my current best 5k running alone is a 20:15 and my weekly mileage is 40-50
Sage, I twist my ankles on rocky trails more than I think I should. Is this a product of weak ankles or poor form? Are there any drills I can do to either strengthen ankles or get me to not land so heavily?
Look up "proprioceptive exercises for ankles". Doing these regularly and running with good stable shoes will make a big difference. Take it from someone who used to have weak ankles and was never really comfortable on downhills, and who can now fly down the type of trails seen in this video.
Try not to fall! My motto for trainings/practice: don't run fast enough to take a "career ending injury risk." I save my big risks and real speed on downhills for races....and it is always in races (so far) that I have fallen and received stitches and injury! Chuckanut...UTMB....I left blood on those courses. Try to not take too big of risks or let your ego write a check that your body can't cash.
Vo2maxProductions Thanks for the answer I have another question thats been bugging me for a while now... I've been told that better/stronger leg muscles allows you to run faster but to what extent is this true? Would it be better for me to train for a middle distance course (7km) more in the gym cross training or physically running and to what extent for each?
Think you got to fire the "Rocky Mountain Runners". They gave bogus tips on technical downhill running. They think it is a joke what you are doing in your training talk video! With that said, the video footage does not show the techniques to use... You need better cameramen/women. And holding the camera yourself does not help either since it simply shows the trail. Not how to do the running...
I'm just getting into downhill running. I love how technical the terrain can be, it puts me in the flow state. Thanks for the video, you guys are fast!
Downhill running is so much fun! I love it.
This got me loads better at technical downhills. Only one technical downhill on my long run, but I fly down it while everyone else is being super cautious.
Save energy by just falling down the hills.
I won a big race this way and got DQ'd for unsportsmanlike behavior. I wore a michelin man suit.
3:33 making sound effects as you bounce down over obstacles really does help, I swear....
Good topic, trail running is an art and a test of pure guts. Ragnar Relay in McDowell is the ultimate test.
Thanks for posting this, Sage. Technical downhill running is definitely the biggest limiting factor with my trail running and something I need to continuously work on. For me, I think one thing I need to consider is switching to a different shoe. I currently wear Montrail Mountain Massochists. They are great on flatter, non-technical terrain, but I don't have the confidence in them on the downhills that they will give me the grip and stability I need.
Good shoes help and build confidence, but technique is still key. People run this mountain(Green) with road shoes and still move just as well.
Thanks for the feedback. Definitely supports the idea that it's a mental hangup. I'd love to get to the point where I can run Green and other mountains regardless of what I'm wearing on my feet!
I just got injured at the same spot again - ankle. Running downhill and uphill too I always step on obstacles like roots and stuff and I thought it's good spots to jump from even tho I've seen people avoiding obstacles in races before. Anyway I did not follow this and again I got injured from doing the same stupid thing - jumping on roots, rocks etc. Thanks for video, maybe I will finally remember.
it gets crazier when its wet! thanks sage
Good video Sage! Thanks. With tricky downhills it looks less about power building and more about confidence building.
with this new cam, now i have hard times to understand whose video i'm watching - your's or jamil coury's :D nice job man!
thank you sage, ive been looking for this.
good music :) now i'm going to run next to the Danube :D
Михајло Јеремић , funny - I work next to the Danube and run along it 3 or 4 times a week. Your comment made me laugh.
I experienced my first big crash a few days ago... but good tips! Need to keep a higher cadence
Awesome video as always :) I like running downhill but need to get more practice ;) thank you for your tips
I do trail running mainly to run downhill... After few minutes camp of vision becomes narrow and i feel like time slows down... I consider flat or uphill parts as the price to pay to have fun smashing my legs downhill 😂
I've been running with a 45 pounder. I'm slower, and I run alot more carefully but so far so good. If I'm 200 pounds with the vest that makes me 245. Harder but still able to make some distance when I put my mind to it.
Jeremy Recinos but why? What's the benefit of running with the vest? I think it's only useful for crossfit, cause there you have to be able to run with weights, but otherwise I don't see why you would do it. You typically get more benefits if you spend a few days a month on a track and run some fast intervals there.
Mental toughness. I'm not an expert by any means, but it's a fun challenge to see how long you can go. Soldiers and cops wear body armour and equipment, so I decided to give it a try.
Jeremy Recinos aaa ok, makes sense. But be careful not to put too much stress on your knees and lower back. I once saw paratroopers training. It was blistering heat, and they had about 90 pounds of equipment on them (backpacks larger than them). That didn't look like fun, haha.
You should come to NZ very technical sections on most of our mountains yall are pretty slow haha
Great video sage
Thanks!
any videos on muddy downhill runs ?
That POV shot was beautiful, but it looked dangerous- please be careful Sage!
deft08 Bruh Sage be doin that stuff all the time its scary😂
Have guys tried jumping and not running? I use to jump down a mountain covering 10 to 15 ft per bound. Look at how animals. The legs must be able to absorb the load. I was doing this at age 52. It's much faster and natural than trying to run.
whats a good heel to toe drop for doing something like this?
Great video! The trails in my area are mostly like this, with water and snow added :) Sage - any tips on this type of running affecting IT-band issues ?
So, I have the speed instinct 2 trail shoes and I can feel every bit of rocks on the bottom. The souls are too spongy for my trail runs. I actually prefer the clifton 5 on trails bc I dont feel the impact on landing on pointy or jagged rocks.
I've found that about 80% time when I bite the dust that it comes on a sharp turn. I usually step on loose rock and I slide. Besides slowing down on turns, do you have any techniques/tips for taking on downhill turns?
take a chance and cut corners
Running with a weighted vest.
What can you tell us about it?
Thanks Sage
Well I've never used one. I see it as a bit of an injury risk because of increased impact force. Also we want to develop specific running economy (efficiency) and get the body used to it's own weight (it can change your running form and street you unevenly that is). That being said, it may have a place in my uphill powerhiking UTMB training...I think hiking with a vest on (uphill) may be much safer and could be a benefit of resistance training in that regard.
Typo above: I wrote "Street" I meant to write "Stress"
Thanks Sage!
Come over to Canada and conquer these trails one day! Algonquin park maybe?
Cheers!
Another great video! smashed thr like button already!
Jeremy Recinos as long as you fit it correctly and just a little movement is OK. At first it is heavy but when you strap it in, the weight will be evenly distributed.
I'm in boulder quite a bit. Are you guys on meetup, or is there a group that does alot of downhill?
I still find it extremely awkward seeing someone running with a gopro .
I run these trails all the time and the lessons learned is that Follow your natural body instincts. Know your limits and weaknesses. Don't stare at your phone or go pro while running bcos you'll end face plant guarantee. Last just have fun and enjoy the experience 😊
I'm doing summer base training for cross country high school, what would you recommend for weekly mileage?
Ziyad Hodzic Distance of the race? previous experience? current fitness level? goal time?
Abdullah Mohamed its a regular 5k race, I didn't do it last year but I did track, my current best 5k running alone is a 20:15 and my weekly mileage is 40-50
Build up to 70-80 over the summer
PenaltyCompsHD alright thanks!
No problem, with this mileage you'll surely crush the people you just missed out on last year
Pick a line by imagining you are water, just flowing downhill.
Exactly
Sage, I twist my ankles on rocky trails more than I think I should. Is this a product of weak ankles or poor form? Are there any drills I can do to either strengthen ankles or get me to not land so heavily?
Look up "proprioceptive exercises for ankles". Doing these regularly and running with good stable shoes will make a big difference. Take it from someone who used to have weak ankles and was never really comfortable on downhills, and who can now fly down the type of trails seen in this video.
what software are you using to steady the GoPro footage? (or is it a piece of hardware I'm unaware of). thanks!
You can see he's got the camera mounted on a gimbal
Do you still pose run downhill on a trail?
So on road downhill, i keep having my front foot slammed to the ground. Do i need to keep my body 90’ off the ground or should i lean forward more?
I'd put my hips as much forward as possible and keep step rate very high.
You are absolutely booking it
How do you protect yourself from injury running downhill?
Try not to fall! My motto for trainings/practice: don't run fast enough to take a "career ending injury risk." I save my big risks and real speed on downhills for races....and it is always in races (so far) that I have fallen and received stitches and injury! Chuckanut...UTMB....I left blood on those courses. Try to not take too big of risks or let your ego write a check that your body can't cash.
Vo2maxProductions Thanks for the answer I have another question thats been bugging me for a while now... I've been told that better/stronger leg muscles allows you to run faster but to what extent is this true? Would it be better for me to train for a middle distance course (7km) more in the gym cross training or physically running and to what extent for each?
What about snakes?
Zoe Pease On a plane?
on an incline I guess
don't step on them
So scrary
😱.
yeah it always is a bit....just a part of the sport though!
yes but it gets the adrenaline flowing
andreas wijaya so exciting! I'm envious that they have access to these trails in their country. my little red dot of a country doesn't :(
my advice: Don´t lock your knees!!
fai
Think you got to fire the "Rocky Mountain Runners". They gave bogus tips on technical downhill running. They think it is a joke what you are doing in your training talk video!
With that said, the video footage does not show the techniques to use...
You need better cameramen/women. And holding the camera yourself does not help either since it simply shows the trail. Not how to do the running...