Microneedling vs. RF microneedling vs Resurfacing Lasers
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- This video explains the main differences between the effects of micro needling, pens, (like Skin Pen) vs derma rollers, radiofrequency micro needling, (devices like Morpheus 8, Potenza and Vivace) and resurfacing lasers, (C02, Fraxel, Halo). How do these devices work on the skin and what results do they achieve?
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Time Codes:
0:00 - Introduction
0:28 - Microneedling
2:21 - Microneedling for stretch marks
3:23 - Microneedling pens vs rollers
4:34 - Radiofrequency microneedling
6:36 - Resurfacing Lasers
8:59 - Comaring these three treatments
10:00 - Post Procedure skincare
10:34 - Outro
#morpheus8 #microneedling #rfmicroneedling #resurfacinglaser #fraxel
Disclaimer: This video is not intended to be a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment from your healthcare provider. This UA-cam video is for medical educational/informative purposes only and is not equivalent to healthcare professional advice. The opinions stated in this video are my opinions/thoughts and not meant to diagnose, treat, or cure any ailment. I am not sponsored by any of the companies mentioned in this video.
Wow, I was just thinking about having micro needling done .Thank you so much for sharing !
Great informative video! Thank you ❤️ btw your skin is gorgeous!
Thank you so much! ❤
Wow, I really liked your presentation, thanks!
Excellent video! Keep them coming!
thanks!
To the point and well explained. Subscribed!
Thanks! Welcome 🤩
Great video ❤
brilliant explanation
Yay! Amazing content, thanks so much Doc 🤗. It’s so awesome that you go in-depth on procedures!
If I might ask, do you think a 2-5mm pneumatic microneedling gun would be too damaging for sensitive, thin, rosacea-prone skin? I was planning to get that done to inject PRP but am concerned about doing more harm than good.
@@margot8123 For the face I would stay closer to 1.0 - 3.0mm
@@theocbeautymd Thank you so much 🤗
@@theocbeautymdthank u I had the same question. for roascea prone and sensitvie is better the pen or morpheus 8?
Great topic! Thank you!
glad you enjoyed it
So well spoken and love the details! Subscribed! I am getting micro needling with RF soon. Would you also recommend chemical peels for hyperpigmentation and old acne scars?
Awesome video.
It is very interesting video. Great information .❤️
thanks!
Excellent video Dr. Ania Marie! You have outdone yourself once again! This is very helpful and useful information. I recently bought a derma roller. After watching this video, I promise I won't use it. What microneedling pen would you recommend for home use? I know in-office procedures provide better results, but my schedule is too hectic at the moment. Thanks so much for your hard work and recommendations! ❤😘
Thank you! Dr. Pen is pretty good.
@@theocbeautymd Thanks so much! ❤😘
Super interesting video Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it ❤
Great informative video and very educational. Any thoughts on plasma generated pens that don't penetrate the dermis such as the Plexr?
Very interested in your perspective on RF micro needling for hyperhidrosis.
Also,I would highly appreciate if you can advise me whether I should go for Microneedling with prp or Microneedling rf. I’m apprehensive because of the fear of long downtime. I have some enlarged pores and very fine wrinkles around my eyes. Otherwise ,I apply sunscreen, hyluronic serum and moisturiser everyday.Thanks in advance Doctor.
I’m 34 with a chubby face and beginning to be concerned about jowls and under chin fat even though I am at a healthy weight and exercise. I was recommended rf microneedling for my jaw line and under chin/neck. After your description I am looking forward to it!
This is me! Am thin but have a double chin! Did you try RF out??
Great information. What are your thoughts on the Moxie laser for addressing pores?
Moxie Laser is great and I love it. Not my first choice for pores though
@@theocbeautymdwhat would you recommend for pores?
Hi...tyvm for your video...i would to ask if vampire microneedling can be used to a person w autoimmune dse as hashimoto thyroiditis? ty
Hi Dr, Thankyou so much for your video. I am 27 year old and brown skin and have excessive signs of agin . Especially under eye area is making me clinically depressed. Puffiness Hollow dark circles deep deeep lines sagging skin fine lines and creepey skin. Everyday I wakeup depressed of having to look at the mirror. I am considering mnrf but think that if the skin under my eye and face is already so thin and sagging and so prone to scarrinng and pigmentation is it really a good idea to get that done. Can you please make some suggestions on this. I feel I am unfit for so many treatments by default because of my tendency to hyperpigment and scar so easily and thin skin issues ( this was also due to use of incorrect steroid and hydroqunione on face). If you could make a sugggestion I would like to research on that or even would love to get a treatment from you. Please looking forward to your response. Thanks
Hi Doctor, love your videos! I own a Philips Fraxel non ablative REAURA laser. (discontinued). It’s said to be similar to the Fraxel REFINE laser. It has been fab but I’m now 66 and am going to a very important event in a few weeks time. The REAURA is supposed to be used twice weekly for 8 weeks. Can I use it more often? Or, can I use Retin A 😊on the nights in between treatments? Many thanks in advance. Liz.
I am not sure. I am not familiar with these
With your experience, how effective do you think RF micro needling is for breaking down nodules from radesse filler?
I am so glad you talked about RF microneedling and potential fat melting. I am 46, rather thin in the face and do not want any fat/volume loss. Based on your video, it seems regular microneedling and annual laser treatments would be best. Do you agree? Thanks so much and I LOVE your content .
I DO agree. You could also add chemical peels 🌹
@@theocbeautymdfor 35 what you recommend microneedling and what type of lasers? Is ultra laser ok? Or better peeling? I have sort of sensitve skin
Which method is best for wrinkle reduction, skin tightening, collegen rebuild, tightening jowels and double chin reduction?
Dear doctor, thanks a million for this video. If i have 20years old scars from acne in my 20ies, and i want to opt for laser resurfacing - however i also have post pregnancy melasma now living with me all the time. I am worried that laser resurfacing sometimes creates even more problems with pigmentation. Is it worth fighting the scars in that view? Or i can do laser resurfacing and then try another treatment and at home care by obagi (example) to conquer the pigmentation? Or better not risk the melasma getting even worse?
I can't give medical advice here but you can book a virtual consultation with me if you like.
Otherwise I would suggest you research microneedling like with SkinPen and research sylfirmX
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I want to know whether Microneedling with prep helps in reducing the pore size for a mature skin (55yrs old lady )and micro wrinkles around the eyes
Does RF microneedling lead to any scarring if the one doing it is good? I was recommended 3 treatments for the neck double chin area but am worried about scarring. I just had Halo done and my skin lokks great but it didnt tighten the skin at all in my double chin area.
Great video!! For rolling acne scars would RF Micro-needling be a better option as opposed to Fraxel dual/restore ?
My favorite for scarring is plain micro needling because it physically breaks up that scar tissue and causes it to restructure. Fraxel Dual or Halo would be a great choice also. C02 can be excellent but it's not for darker skin tones. Microneeling RF would not do too much because it doesn't make too many punctures and the heat does not remodel the scars.
Hmmm…less punctures and ineffective remodeling. So would you rather consider the plain microneedling to be the superior one of the two?
@@gw244 It would be my preference yes
so based on what you say morpheus 8 wouldn't be useful?
@@theocbeautymdhi, I'm a bit confused because my son had some scars form from fungal acne (which unfortunately looked like regular acne) and because we were initially treating it as regular acne, it delayed the appropriate treatment of prescription anti fungal topical ketocozanole 2% cream. Once we started using the cream, the skin starting healing quickly but because the fungus had sat there for about a month it caused some scarring. We had used infini RF micro needling a year earlier for a few spot treatments for fresh acne scars and it was like magic. He's young so it worked almost instantly and you could literally not even see where the indentation was. The dr said that the rf is not melting fat if it's pulses quick and the energy is low and the needle depth is 1.5 mm or less? I'm hoping it's true because we have done a couple again and it's taking longer this time- the lesions were bigger than regular acne. Perhaps we should do regular micro needling to continue- I had this thought before but we really need to fix this while they are fresh scars. Also I bought the cream adipleau that regrows facial fat . Thanks for your advice
Hi Dr. Ania Marie! Im 31 years old. Caucasian, fair skin. Ive been using Tazarotene 0.1% 4x/week for the last four months. Have noticed a marked improvement in the health of my skin and even some fine lines. I wanted to go on accutane for sebum but my derm said that my skin condition didn’t warrant it (which I agree, although my sebum is crazy I never breakout) I also use Paula’s Choice BHA exfoliant a few times a week. My main issue is excess sebum production on my nose, forehead and cheeks. During the last four months on Tazarotene I noticed a decrease in sebum. But now that the hotter weather is here, it’s back to being out of control. Would any type of procedure you outlined help with sebum production? I do have large pores on my cheeks and nose and it just feels like the sebum gushes out this time of year. I don’t eat greasy foods, drink tons of matcha tea and water, eat keto, have a good skincare routine and it’s like I have no idea what I’m doing wrong. My sebum receptors are just crazy. Any guidance would be appreciated that I could take into my next appointment with my derm.
yes! Find a provider educated by Dr. Zein Obagi. He is a huge proponent of low dose acutane. It doesn't even have to be taken daily. Look for ZO centers near you. Doctors/derms educated by Dr. Obagi prescribe it just for oil control. If you produce a lot of oil, your skincare will not penetrate.
Great! I’ve been using the glo pro at home.
So if you have Melasma what’s the best treatment out of these? I’ve done BBL and it brought the Melasma out. Halo helped a little.
Yes, that's why I'm not a fan of BBL and never recommend it. It can make things better for a while and then the pigmentation comes back with a vengeance. I recommend my hyperpigmentation video and the cyspera video. This will give you an idea of several possible laser treatment options and topicals whether or not you want to use hydroquinone. ☺
@@theocbeautymd thank you for responding!
Hi Dr. Ania, I was wondering what I should do next for my deep wrinkles (static but almost flat 11 lines) and deep nasolabial folds. I have done 4 sessions of PRP microneedling spaced 4 weeks apart but there’s been very minimal (5-10%) improvement overall.
I do have Asian skin so I am cautious about doing a CO2 laser treatment and since lasers are expensive, I need to know that it’s a once every couple of years treatment.
I saw an esthetician that promoted PLLA threads for collagen induction for the glabella and nasolabial. What are your thoughts of the best (cost effective and results) treatment?
Hyaluronfiller and Botulinumtoxin is your solution.
Hi
I am a 27 year old man of Indian orgin. I have alot of boxscars and icepick scars on my cheeks and temples. What would you recommend? Also, I don’t want to get hyperpigmentation after the treatment .
Is PRF Micro-needling or RF Micro-needling better for pitted acne scars?
Best presentation I've seen on you-tube. Thanks Dr. Can you please explain how deep with the needles to produce fat loss. Many women do not want to lose facial fat but want that tightening effect.
generally you are in subcutaneous fat at 3 mm
@@theocbeautymdThanks so much. I'm assuming this is for both radiofrequency and standard microneedling? That's pretty deep. I've only gone to 1.8 mm by request.
For rolling & boxcar scars, do you recommend using a microneedle stamp instead of a microneedling pen? My pitted scars are kind of all over my cheeks…I’m just wondering which is the safer method? I have heard that using a stamping motion with a pen works, but does that mean the pen should be off (like not plugged in)….otherwise doesn’t the pen move in & out too fast to control where exactly you’re stamping? I’m just trying to avoid drag. I hope that made sense!
Actually it did make sense! To avoid drag, or shearing, or tugging, you have to make sure you are getting treated with a high quality professional pen. That determines quality. Good pens cost several thousand dollars and would work very well. I would not stamp either I would use normal circular or linear motion with a high quality pen like SkinPen (as an example).
@@theocbeautymd Thank you for your input! Do you microneedle in your practice?
@@Nikita-to2sg yes
Hi Dr! I have had chemical peels. I’m very interested in microneedling but have been too chicken to do it! 🙈 I appreciate your content! 🌸
Chemical peels are fantastic!
chem peels are worse than microneedling lol
@@SkinWitchNYC, How so ? I’m curious. Is it because they might damage the skin barrier ? I’m more scared of peels than micro needling because I’d fear overdoing it with the peels . With MN ( done properly of course) the skin barrier seems less likely to be damaged.
@Dr. Ania Marie, MD; I wanted to do the Morpheus 8 to benefit from the sliming and tightening benefits, but turns that i can not do it because I have plates and screws on my face from a corrective double surgery I had 14 years ago. What other options do you recommend?
For lower facial slimming, you could research botox for the masters. For tightening, it's a little more difficult but I would say procedures like micro needling, or certain laser resurfacing treatments.
*plain microneedling, without RF
I have plates and screws as well for a Lefort 1 Osteotomy. Why wouldn’t I be a candidate for Morpheus8?
@@lismolina2801 the radio frequency can heat up the metal
Do you know if a needle gauge of 31mm is safe for skin? I know there is a range of Dr. Pen needles from 31-34mm. The 31mm is meant for pitted scars (which I do have) since it’s the thicker needle, but I just want to make sure it’s safe to use. (I’m American but have brown East Indian skin, if that makes a difference)
Yes your pigmentation definitely makes a difference. Deeper skin tones are prone to post inflammatory hyperpigmentation. I would recommend going to a professional to minimize this risk.
@@theocbeautymd Thank you so much! I’m grateful you know the difference and will look into it!
How well does micro needling RF work on eye bags?
I just finished 3 rounds of 2 vials of Sculptra. 6 vials total to add volume to my very gaunt-face 47-year-old athlete here. I don't need to melt anything on my face. Would microneedling pen be better for me? I have a consult for it next month. My clinic also has a package called the glow package. Consists of 3 peels and 3 microneedling treatments. I have had mild sensi peels in the past, to be honest, my skin is sensitive with mild rosacea
Even this mild peel made me flake kept me red for longer than I was told I would be. Little nervous, but want to keep inducing collagen.
I love sculptra. I hope you will love the results. Regular microneedling will not affect fat and the microneedling is done with radio frequency it doesn't have to either. It depends on the depth of needle penetration. Definitely be sure to let them know you have sensitive rosacea skin. That has to be factored it. Best of luck 😊
I don't have any facial fat, I want to get rid of loose skin underneath my chin. I was looking at getting the pixel 8 micro-needling RF done, they were recommending 3 treatments. Is that a good fit for me?
It's hard to say, you would need a consultation. Ask your provider
I have a very new 1 month old pitted acne scar over my top lip which procedure will be best for it? I have very light skin and dark hair and mixed skin greasy and dry
hard to say. you might want to consult a professional. it could be subcision or microneedling
I just got a roller from a surgeon. Should I not use it? I'm 62. Thank you for your video.
I think that as long as you understand how it works then it's up to you if you'd like to try it. I personally don't recommend them because I know that the needle swiveling underneath the skin is not a desired effect and I don't see a reason to induce that type of trauma. Vertical channels are enough..
Any comments on the LYMA laser?
Laser or microneedling RF for acne boxcar scars?
Hello Dr, I am in USA but am a south East Asian origin with light brown skin.. I would like you to suggest the procedure that works for people of color of skin, if you can.. This video is informative. Thanks
This is a great point, and very important. Ethnic skin is very prone to post inflammatory hyperpigmentation, so I would advise you find a doctor that understands skin of color well. You can always ask what percentage of the clientele has ethnic skin or find a doctor who has a deeper skin tone. It's just a matter of understanding PIH and how to prevent it.
Thanks. I would love if you can give some pointers in the subsequent video about how to find a right Derm or hospital or medspa.. I’ve been wanting to do some procedure that would work for me. But I’m scared of doing anything wrong.. also the various types of facial, if you can..
@@Sana-np7sy I would love to and I have been thinking about it for some time but I do not have an answer. Here is why: some board certified dermatologists have no special training in cosmetic medicine. Some non-dermatologists are extensively well trained. Some nurse practitioners and physician assistants are better than some doctors and there is no way for a patient to know how to assess the skills of the practitioner. On instagram, there are so many people doing crazy dangerous techniques but the untrained eye won't recognize that.
I really do wish I had an answer. The best I can do, is suggest looking up credentials AND seeing the results of their work AND asking extensive questions during a consultation as well as looking them up on social media. If you can find someone that does a lot of teaching, they will likely be current and up to date and likely have a passion for it. If they are not in your area, they may be able to recommend someone they know.
I would definitely choose an office that has a doctor on site at ALL times.
Thanks for taking time to answer all my questions.
Doc! For cosmetic microneedling, what’s the recommended depth to drive actives not PRF or PRP? Is 0.25 mm adequate?
0.25-1.0
Is a bbl laser a good one??
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If you wanted to do a laser treatment and a RF Microneedling treatment- which should you do first?
It doesn't matter since they work of different levels of skin.
Half of the providers who talk about RF microneedling discuss the potential benefits of fat burning and the other half warn about fat burning leaving loose and hollow skin. Can you offer insight on this ?
yes, over time I am leaning toward moving away from all radio frequency devices because they destroy too much subcutaneous fat. I think pain old and much cheaper microneedling is better for thickening the skin
@@theocbeautymd Does this apply to Sylfirm as well?
Thinking about getting Morpheus 8 do you think the benefits are worth the price tag?
I am honestly not sure. Some people find it intolerably painful. If you are thinking about it, inquire that they numb you for at least 1-1.5 hr and laughing gas can be used to help reduce discomfort as well. Some places offer that as well. It's very important that the operator is excellent, because burns and PIH are common if the settings are too high.
As far as morpheus 8, I don't think the brand name matters. All RF microneedling systems do pretty much the same thing.
The biggest benefit I have seen, is skin tightening and mild fat reduction. It probably is the best way to tighten at the moment.
@@theocbeautymd thank you for your honest opinion
What do you recommend to a 30 year old for wrinkle prevention? ❤
Tretinoin or retinol. If you have the budget, I'd recommend skinbetter science Alto Advanced, an Alpharet product, Trio, Even tone and a good sunscreen. I love their sunscreens as well.
If you're on a budget, I would say retinol/tretinoin/alpharet and an excellent sunscreen are priority.
i did co2 laser. already 3 times in three months. but my scar is not gone. even more scars. what treatment is good Please help me. thank you
3 CO2 lasers in three months sounds like a LOT. So if the setting was low, the results would be slow. If the settings were high, the treatments seem to be spaced tightly together. It's impossible to speak on behalf of another provider.
It's hard to know why you have more scars. Did the laser cause more damage than good? I would suggest going to see a few specialists and getting multiple opinions.
That's so stressful!! I've researched a lot about facial scars and it seems micro needling is a very good solution. My teenage son is getting it for recent scars but we've been using infini RF micro needling. I have concern about it affecting facial fat and CONSTANTLY ask the dr to be very careful about it. According to the dr , the fat melting would only occur if the energy was turned up too high, the pulse was too long and the needle depth was too. He suggests not going deeper than 1.5 mm and pulsing super fast which I closely watch. It is very effective but I don't know enough to know if it can affect facial fat. To be proactive I've been watching and learning and purchased a cream that stimulates fat cells from inside the hair follicles. This is my current learning curve so just sharing everything. Regular micro needling is very effective too and we are considering using it. Definitely be careful about facial fat loss! I don't know enough but yes RF can cause it especially if the technician is not aware so finding someone who knows about it is important.
What is Opus?
If you mean Opus Plasma, it's a fractionated resurfacing device that does not use laser light but micro plasma energy instead. It is a very superficial skin resurfacing treatment with additional radio frequency.
@@theocbeautymd thank you so much! I was considering it for my large pore and skin tightening?
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Hi Thank you. Yes I know the videos could be more polished but I do everything myself and I do my best, (I'm not an editor after all). For now, my focus is content. I am not in a place yet where I could hire someone for editing but if you want to go to my website and send me an email, I'll have your info for the future. Thank you.